Kent Guitar Ripped Off On REVERB AGAIN
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Kent Guitar Ripped Off On REVERB AGAIN
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Some great advice Dave. This is the reason I won't buy a guitar unless I get to play it first. Everyone is in love with the idea of buying stuff like that on line, I like to call it Christmas Syndrome, people get so excited about opening packages. Only to find Santa gave them a lump of coal. Sucks because the person who bought this got hosed. Hope they can get some of that money back. Cheers!
Nearly every guitar seems to be mint or excellent. And “I want to make sure this goes to a good home” kind of statement.
Dave’s Tip of the Day….”don’t buy shitty, old guitars off the internet”….words to live by👍
Probably one of the later Korean-made Kents and not even Japanese.
If you send a video to reverb trust me they will award your money back on this one. The guy was an idiot to list it as excellent so there is the loop hole because even though it says no returns that don't mean squat on reverb. If it's not as described they will give you a refund. You have to be quick about the refund though cause you only got a little bit to do it after you received it.
Somebody wanna tell me why anyone would buy a Kent anyway? Let alone for $750??? They were Montgomery Ward Christmas presents from mom when I was a kid.
Expensive life lessons are the pits! Unfortunately, even worse is when you never experience such a life lesson, either for not taking chances or for being bailed out by someone, because you’ll never learn from your mistakes
Dave, thanks for being that person.
Reverb *should make this right, unless there were line item mentions of the issues you called out. That blanket exculpatory language in the listing does not preempt these items arriving in functional condition.
You're right Dave, have to see it in person. This comment may not be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. No low ballers.
Dave "I'm sorry to tell you... it's gonna need new frets, at least.." Customer "Do it.." Dave "damn I thought I was out of this one..."
Great consumer info! Thanks! 😎
The best way to avoid getting stiffed on Reverb is to not buy on Reverb.
How is this so difficult to understand?
because it sounds like you keep your head in a hole so it won't get rained on.
what it is, is this - who buy a guitar UNSEEN ??? it a solid thing that every now and then, the vendor will take liberties… that’s life!!
another guitar shaped object...bolt on neck ?make it a bit easier to get lower action if you can figure out the fret work..they sucked back in the day and still does
good on ya Dave for bailing on this one
Never will use reverb again, I’ve had problems twice, done.
Do you have this guys number ? I've have a Bridge in Manhattan for sale .! At one time it was brand new ,now its a campfire wood . Sure Hope he gets his money , maybe a $500 refund in my estimate. Just to make it playable is going to cost at least that much !!!!! Poor guy.🎸👍🇺🇸
That's a whole bunch of money for a brand that's not worth squat in any condition. I never understand the used market for stuff like this. Just buy a decent brand! It really is that simple.
most sellers on reverb are decent. a one sentence description is usually a red flag. also if you don't know what you are buying then it is as much your fault as the seller if what you get disappoints. always look at the pics and search online for comparisons and always ask questions.
No way that it's the buyer's fault when the seller uses phrases like "excellent condition" and you're getting lifting frets. Of course you should ask questions, the more detailed conversations and info you have before you buy, the more of a chance that Reverb will help you get your money back (in general it's better to have the seller lie explicitly than to just omit details and issues and play dumb), but still if somebody writes only "plays great, looks great" and you get a beat up wall hanger, then it's a scam and "victim shaming" is only enabling the scammer mentality. :)
@@gryzew from what i saw the listing had a really limited description. that should be a red flag. reverb is full of scammers and someone not listing an item truly is just as much a scam as someone who is trying to sell a guitar they don't have.
so as a buyer you have to know that the scammers exist. i buy and sell a lot on reverb and while i haven't got caught by the no feedback no guitar guys i have got some shit like a set of vintage noiseless listed as american that came off a mim player plus.
on that one i just grinned and got on with it cause i never asked the seller if they what they were.
on the whole i enjoy reverb and find that the vast amount of buyers and sellers are just like me guitar enthusiasts looking for a dream at a good price.
have a good one.
It’s a great $150-200 project parts guitar. 75% of the guys selling on reverb think everything is $1000.
Yeah, everyone's flipper. Buy a $200 guitar, put new strings on it, polish it up and it's now $730. After all, "it's vintage!"
I don't want to victim blame, but he should have known from the pictures. For that price, he could've gotten a hollow body that doesn't suck. He got ripped off, but he also made a poor choice.
How about nobody buy anything from "Music Man L.A.M.F." in Saint John, Canada?
Man I hope he gets a lot more than $300 back. That’s criminal
My first electric guitar was a early 70ths Kent. It was cheap and total crap.
looks like an Estaban for only $590 I saw on facebook 🙂
Those Japan made models trump Esteban's for sure.
But I'm kinda demented in this area~ I LIKE Esteban's, & First Acts, & anything else I can change/mutate/morph into something
Worse. 😮
Much, much... worse
(In a good way of course).
🆗😎🆒🎸🎼◾
700 dollar turd that they want you to polish Dave...
Could've got a brand new Gretsch with a Bigsby for less.
Those early Japanese guitars are crap. I can't believe anyone would pay over $200 for one. There are so many good guitars out there for $750 these days.
Why would anyone pay $730 (even cdn) for a Kent, even if factory perfect?
Anybody who pays $750 for a no name brand guitar (I've never heard of a Kent -- have you?) that has an "as is" disclaimer pretty much deserves whatever awful piece of junk he gets. An "as is" disclaimer is telegraphing to you "this is a piece of s**t." Listen when people tell you they are trying to rip you off!
Kent’s were fairly high end Japanese guitars in the day. The 820 was a triple bound offset hollow body. Of course, any vintage guitar needs a good lookielou before purchase.
I really hope this man gets at least a 90% refund. He will likely lose shipping as well. Otherwise this was a total scam.
Reverb was so much better when it was just a knob on your amp.
I remember these Kent guitars from the mid-1960s. They were sold at off-brand music stores and other cut-rate general merchandise places. Same goes the the Kent amplifiers. Something that was of marginal quality when new 60 years ago has NOT improved with age. CAVEAT EMPTOR
You know the vintage market is bonkers when some 60’s budget turd sells for $700. A Squier Bullet would probably be a better player than this thing was when factory fresh.
well first, dont buy from reverb. too many ripoffs on there. 730 bucks for this guitar is insane. daves right send it back but good luck getting refund on reverb it want happen. next time buy a real guitar not a kent! or Kunt pieces of shit right outa the factory in bum f--k egypt. sorry dude. buy a epiphone hollow body priced fairly and great guitars too. 730 for a kent!! jesus h christ!!!
You didn't get ripped off buying a Kent guitar, you're just too young to realize that Kent guitars were shit in the first place. But they got that vintage mojo. Just not the good kind. Chasing it on the cheap......
These guitars were cheap junk when new (I had a Kent, different model), why would anybody pay that much for one today?
I always tell people only buy a guitar you can actually look at with your eyes and play in person. Or you might just get 💩on
Kent guitars are absolute garbage......what an insulting price for such a POS! These are now, always were and, forever will be $35 at any given yard sale.....they are even crappier than Tiesco de rey guitars ....if that's possible. If you fart too close to it it'll fall out of tune( that is if you can get it in tune in the first place😂)
How in God’s name could someone call that “excellent”??….come on man!!!
my first bass was a kent copy of a fender. it was made out of 2" SOLID MAHOGANY and weighed 15 pounds. the neck was so large that my short fingers could not
reach around it. i can't remember if i got it new or used in 1968 for $180.00. i took it to shop class and put it on the bandsaw and cut 5 pounds off it. the pickups
were cheap junk. i think i still have what is left of it somewhere around here.
If you paid by credit card, you’ll get a refund
$700 for a Kent? What? Bottom of the barrel when they were new.
I cant see paying that much for a kent. Are they that good? I paid 600 for an old Sheraton and it was in really good shape.
What a scammer seller 😂. Go visit him.
I bought two Kent guitars... Love both of them... great action... different pickups than you have in different bridge. The neck on mine is really nice.
I sell old crap guitars on Reverb, don't scare people away! I make sure they are in good shape, won't sell a guitar that isn't playable, and EVERY flaw is disclosed. As he said, 300 dollars to make it playable, I put that 300 in time into it to address what's wrong. And if it's wrong, I'll pay to ship it back, simple as that. What sucks in this case is the guy can't leave feedback if he gets refunded, so the seller can repeat...
That would be a good find for $75 if you can do all the work yourself, and thats a maybe 😮
I think you're being very conservative on the price of the refret Dave. Over here [North Carolina] frets on a bound neck go in for $20/ea. Then you're probably going to do a setup and a general take apart cleanup on everything. I'd say he's realistically looking at $500-600.00, and that's if that bridge IS original and doesn't have to be resourced/replaced. Just sayin. Take care brother.
People pay that much for those old ahem... 'Excellent' Japanese budget 60s guitars? I'm selling mine then, Mine's about as complete as that example. Though, the bridge is DOA, it looks like a prior owner had their pet beaver gnaw on the rosewood part, sanding it back to follow the contour of the archtop would leave practically nothing.
nobody can fix all them photo'd stress cracks, replace tuners and bridge with a re-fret job for 300, Daaaavid... guitar is worth 50 bucks to buy
If you do business with Reverb - YOU DESERVE BEING RIPPED OFF.
yeah buying anything over 10 years old without touching it is a bit of a gamble. This isn't received as described "excellent" and buyer needs to be in touch with Reverb. I've had to foot the bill for a dissatisfied seller but I haven't turned into a prune about online markets. You boomers can stick to facebook market scams or driving your Crown Vic to those dusty pawnshops :D :D
My understanding is that Kent guitars were among the cheapest of the cheap back in the '60s; I've met a couple of Baby Boomer-age folks over the years whose first guitar was a Kent when they were kids. The bridge, pickups and tuners definitely don't look original IMHO.
Yeah cheap back then and certainly didn't get any better with age.
well I almost bought a coupla guitars on-line, but I ain't now!
My first guitar was a Kent. The hollow body violin shaped one. My friend bought the white kent bass the double cutaway style. Years later I ended up trading my amp a fender bassmen with 2 cabs with 2 twelve inch speakers and guitar for a car a big Lincoln Continental..but that's another story. 50 years or so later. I bought a guitar similar to it. It could have been same guitar . The neck is very narrow hard to play but the pickup sound still good.
Any news on the return??
I would raise the issue with Reverb, they do have their buyer protection, you just have to be aggressive with them.
bro what do you expect for a 60s guitar man jeez
WTF....Davey's got the "like" button working?
Guitar is far from excellent in the photos, that should have been the first red flag
Reverb is a big no for me. Got burned too many times on things that weren't apparent in photos.
This is the sort of guitar you come across in Goodwill for about $80-110. I bought a Lindell branded Kawai for $89 there and though there is a truss rod. it would never survive a turn. Makes a lovely wall ornament. To be out that much money for something like this should be a crime.
Wait a minute, this isn't Vice Grip Garage?
Did the guy give you your money back?
Buying stuff like that is most often a road to disappointment, even if sellers are honest and the prices aren't jacked up because "it's vintage and rare". People think they can buy some old, kinda rarely seen in the modern day, or nostalgic ("I had a guitar just like that when I was 16"), then they hope to basically polish a turd, take it to a luthier/tech that will make it into a modern, stage ready guitar. There are SOME instruments that you can turn into decent players even though it makes no sense financially, but even for that you need to know what you're buying. In most cases you overpay just to buy something that was cheap and crappy when it was made, not built to last even in ideal conditions, and instead it spent 50 years under somebody's bed, someone's dead grandpa's attic or been in a flooded basement, truss rod was never adjusted and got rusted stuck and the neck got bent, fingerboard is separating from the neck, parts are rusted, broken or missing that are impossible to replace, electronics were always buzzy and weak etc. There's a good reason some brands or models, especially catalog/import ones didn't last into the modern day, people need to stop thinking that every guitar that's over 30 years old must be some magical vintage gem that just needs a little polish to shine.
And especially not for that price, stuff like that can be bought for $50-$100 as a project that needs some TLC to play decently.
I purchased a 90's Hamer cruise bass from Reverb about five years ago. As soon as I tool it out of the box I noticed the nut had been replaced and the workmanship was horrible. Fortunately, I was able to return it. Needless to say I will never buy an instrument from Reverb again.
I’ve bought plenty of gear on Reverb (and eBay), thru the years, most of which turned out great. But it’s definitely buyer beware. If the seller has poor description, poor photos, or only a couple, single digit feedback count, etc, I steer clear. For a guitar, I get a dialog going and generally ask for more info and more photos.
Since Etsy bought Reverb it's become a horror story. Wouldn't trust buying anything there.
@@MrRonk55 wow, and I actually have no idea what you’re talking about (Etsy buying Reverb resulting in “horror story.”). Sounds like a massive exaggeration, with a healthy dose of good ol day syndrome. Again buyer beware, but I don’t see anything of the sort…and like I said, I both buy (and sell) there quite frequently.
@@bldallas it changed, and I no longer buy anything on Reverb. They bought it in 2019. You can't find the same amount of information on an instrument that the old format allowed. You haven't noticed that? When you "enlarge" the photos, they actually get smaller.
@@MrRonk55 no I honestly haven’t noticed that, but the two things you mentioned hardly seem like deal breakers to me. Not sure what you mean regarding the photos not enlarging. The seller is responsible for entering the description of the instrument or item. I never buy a guitar on line without getting into a conversation with the seller and asking questions, requesting more photos, etc.
Roached.
Sad.
Thanks for the lesson Uncie Dave!
Same applies to cars. Touch it, see it. Then buy or not.
Been there done that NO reverb for me
Kent Goochatone.
I can't do this, oh here we go
So it turned out to be a Kant
You could get an inspired by Gibson, Epiphone 335 figured with a case brand new for less that that. Come on guys if your new get some trusted advice.
Where , I want one, they go for more than that
Clark U Kent.
Well ......
IMO with the wording of the ad this looks deliberate. Between the frets and the trem spring it looks like they did just enough to make it LOOK functional.
Down b'low. It never gets old.
from the Matsumuko factory in Japan...they made millions under different brand names like Epiphone, Univox and Aria in the 1960's-70's
To buy a vintage guitar takes a keen eye and knowledge of typical trouble spots. Research and knowledge about the guitar being considered is also important. Some guitars of the era had a fixed bridge (without height adjustment), but I think at a glance this one was swapped out. It's a variable string-spacing bridge, which correlates with the strange extra notch in the nut. Someone wanted the guitar to do something else. Sellers' classifications on their posts should always be handicapped. People think their own stuff is worth more than a stranger does, and they may even believe their rating. Additionally, choosing the post class "Excellent" on Reverb may result in a bullet on your ad that says "Great price for this condition."', when in reality the item is "Very Good" or "Good" class, and the price may be fair or even high. With all that said, I'll unleash my guitar snobbery by starting with "Who is considering a Kent for over $700 (I'm presuming USD), with swapped tuners and a gouge in the bridge?" It would need to be some phenomenal Kent to top $700.
With that said, my own experience has been pretty good. It's a bit of a gamble sometimes buying anything used online, from Reverb or PoshMark or Etsy...wherever, but that can be said for new sometimes! Folks aren't going to the guitar store to play a guitar any more because the store doesn't have 5,600 guitars to browse, from dirt cheap to astronomically-priced. I've purchased many used and vintage guitars on Reverb, including a mint '72 Hagstrom Viking, and a pristine 1968 Guild 301. It pays to know what to look for, and one needs to be prepared for surprises or some disappointment. I don't go to the casino, so I guess this is my form of gambling! Buying used has enabled me to try a plethora of brands, body styles and guitars from the 30's to present day. Lastly, many sellers on Reverb offer return policies, some 14 days and others 30 days, if one hasn't the nerve for the "as-is, no returns" offerings.
Cool. The infamous frets with no grab. I like these guitars though, even when the neck block & top begin to sink into the body. It is fixable... all of it is but then, 😮 then there are the pickups to deal with.
How much is too much? Ha! I live for the basket case orphans, to a fault; once 'customised' a First Act tele~type into... I don't know, it 😲 was better though.
Mercy !
🆗😎🆒🎸🎼☠️
I'm guessing this guitar came from an estate auction figuring some douchey, uptight lemming from a city would by it and call it art 😂 I don't think a Luthier is what he had in mind. It was definitely sold by someone that had no knowledge about these things. Even Guit ar Denter misevaluates a lot of their stuff. This a guitar someone bought and played a long time ago and kept it until their pilot light went out.
Yup I've been burned on REVERB a few times luckily I can do my own repairs.
Sellers idea of Excellent Condition?
Hate to see his poor/fair cond block of wood!
Hmmm, kents were kinda crummy when they were new. My late brother had two of them and neither one played well or sounded very good, they had a really loud 60 cycle hum that you couldn't dial out.
That's why I like when you can just go in the store and look at it make sure you wanted to buy it and then you wanted it just B cuz you sent right then right there instead of this internet crap but who am I
I will never buy a used guitar on the internet again. Learned my lesson a long time ago.
Different kent label than my kent
Ditched the screws to lower the action
Its a 100$ guitar only for its aesthetic value . 50$ for another piece of junk to play
It was a less than 200$ guitar when it was new
If it smells of lavender or roses there is a good chance someone farted.
exact same thing happened to me when buying a Kent Copa online.
That's an Aria Diamond
Buyer beware!!!!!!
Great video.
Hey Dave