History Professor Reacts to "Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom" / Reel History
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17:54 "12 year old kids doing their part." They are now the 21 year olds doing the fighting. They have already endured much, but I fear the worst is coming soon.
the worst is over for them, now they are fighting on their land and defending their home, and if there had been no revolution, the Russian Federation would have seized Ukraine and now the Ukrainians would be sent to attack as part of the Russian army against the Baltic countries or Finland, as it once was.
no because the baltic nations are Nato countries
@@vladkudrya9615
Knowing the reaction of the Ukrainians in 2103/14, I am amazed that the Russians thought that they could carry out the 2022 invasion without a substantial resistance by the Ukrainian’s. thanks for another great video and commentary.
I am from Ukraine. Look please Oliver Stone Ukraine on fire
@@moigospodin4155 russian propaganda! Don't pretend to be Ukrainian!!!!!!!!!
@@uaTrueCrimeScaryStories What's this? your argument? did you watch the movie to the end? if so, even for trying to understand the situation, my respect to you. As for Ukraine, you are right, I am a resident of the eastern part of Ukraine. Donetsk People's Republic (if you watched the movie, you understand what I mean) what? you don't like Russian propaganda? Okay bro, since you trust the corrupt media more (sorry bro, call democratic and incorruptible Western media that operate on the territory of capitalist countries? that's not how it works.)since you trust the American and European media more, then I'm going to provide you with evidence in the most banal way, enter "Nazis in Ukraine" in UA-cam.
You will see the same thing, only now on "democratic" channels before the Russian invasion. I'll tell you a secret brother, you probably heard about the evacuation of the heroic "Azov Battalion" from Azovstal. (in fact, the Russians captured them, there is a confirming video for this) do you know who they are? these are the Nazis, their battalion consists of the same battalions that are mentioned in Stone's film. in America and Europe, they were recognized as international terrorists. however, when they started killing Russians, they immediately became kind. before that, they bombed the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, killed Russians for 8 years. AND? WHERE IS THE RED CROSS? WHERE ARE PEACEKEEPING FORCES? WAKE UP! THE WAR IS GOING ON FOR 8 YEARS! Do you know what the Russians say? TRUST BUT VERIFY! LOOK FOR INFORMATION. By the way, always laughed at your propaganda! "the Russians have a weak army, which consists of old, Soviet, decrepit, and not beautiful cars and not professional soldiers" SERIOUSLY? The Ukrainian army has 600 thousand, the Russian grouping in Ukraine operates in the amount of 150,000. They don’t even have a regular army, which has 1 million soldiers. Plus we are the Republic of Donetsk. Only 200,000 Russians against 600,000 with 44 billion dollars of Western support! In short bro, study the situation, think.
@@moigospodin4155 I responded to you earlier, supporting your country in this war. I read your comment here. I realize war is very complicated and there are many from Ukraine who might have hurt people close to you or people in your vicinity. However, propaganda is very very hard to know. I am curious, do you believe propaganda is only from the west and that Russia is only telling the truth? I know of course that propaganda happens on both sides of the war but there are now cameras and phones to capture all of this. We know, because of pictures and videos from Ukraine that are captured during battle that Russia does use a lot of Soviet equipment just as Ukraine is using a lot of old equipment as well. I want to have an open discussion as I do not know everything. I do know one thing which only someone like me, who does not have personal feelings about battles that have happened in Ukraine. I know that: when people die for no reason you will always hate the other side. Even the Nazis in Germany thought they were victims of France and Britain and it's true to an extent. However, it doesn't change the fact that the Nazis were the agressors. They attacked another country and stepped on the lives of an entire nation. Russia invaded Ukraine. Despite all of the horrible things that have happened in eastern ukraine I don't believe it ever gives the right to kill in mass the people of another country who might not know anything about this. In war usually both sides are bad but there is always one side who attacks and that is Russia in this case. Innocents died in eastern Ukraine but only someone who isn't from Russia or Ukraine can see that war is never a solution. There has never been a war where things ended up better even if they had good reason to attack. Please let me hear what you think
@@moigospodin4155 also, Ukraine on fire states that Russia would never invade Ukraine right? Let me know
I am Ukrainian and I was on Maidan in 2014. Some of my thoughts and feelings on this topic. It is very easy in retrospect to look at it say "yeah, the president didn't really have a chance after adopting those laws" or smth like that. For us, it was not that clear. I thought that we could all just die here or go into jail (I mean look at successful autocracies of Belarus or Russia). And at the same time, we all realized this is now or never moment (which is rarely experienced by an ordinary person at least in 21st century). We all realized that it's either we sacrifice something very dear now or live in authocratic or totalitarian state for many years and our children will have to deal with it. And the outcome was really not obvious at the time... It's not a fictional story where you know for sure that there is a happy ending... But very rarely in history you are faced with such type of a choice. I think that is one of those rare moments when you can truly and deeply know yourself... And just to conclude, it is a similar state to current full-scale invasion - the feeling that there is no going back. It's either we die trying or we die as slaves (yes, very dramatic but it is our reality). There was no such feeling during the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine in 2014-15 because I think most Ukrainians thought that 1) Russia is much stronger and 2) maybe Putin will be satisfied with Crimea and we can move on and live independently from now on. That was our mistake because if you give up something so easily apparently the enemy thinks "why not to take it all". But now the situation is different. It is similar to Maidan protests - now or never type of thing. Even if Putin will use nuclear weapons, we won't stop fighting.
Well said, сестро...
Thank you for for sharing your story. You are an amazing inspiration
People like you are the only ones who can save democracy. I admire you.
I always say that for there to be democracy and freedom, the government must fear the will of the people, not the other way around. When people fear the government, there is nothing more courageous and dangerous than trying to make the government fear your will. Once authoritarian governments begin to fear the people and democracy is established, the people will not want to ever go back. This is at least what I feel that the human spirit is like, to me, the Ukrainian people embody human nature better than most, I've never seen a will to never go back to the way it used to be as strong as yours. As scary as it was being in Kyiv during Maiden for a short job I had, it changed me completely for the better and showed how fragile, yet indestrucible the idea of freedom is. Even being a couple miles from Maidan, I can really feel the desperation and fear, but also the hope. Putting the foot down always works, but it also is often costly.
Slava Ukraine! Love and respect from Canada 🇨🇦 🇺🇦
when I was watching this i kept thinking "these are the people putin wants to pick a fight with?" I always thought the west was afraid of Russia in the USSR. now I know it was Ukraine I was afraid of.
I just love those western commentators go "hmm, a movie about Ukraine and things Ukrainians do from Ukrainian perspective... Biased! Should watch it from russians' (Americans, Bolivian, French, Nepali or whatever) perspective, they must know better" Wtf? Not like we are not used to foreigners learning about the country from (pro)russian sources and just making assumptions on their own, but they realise it can go both ways? I shall go learn American history from a north korean book or something, then... lol
A difficult but important watch in these times to help us understand Ukraine's resolute fight for freedom. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
I am from UKRAINE. Look please Oliver Stone Ukraine of faer.
@@moigospodin4155 you're not from Ukraine russian troll. Oliver Stone's movie is just a piece of russian propaganda🤮💩
@@liliia.s.h. вже не Україна. пішла в дупу сучка. якщо вже не можете жити мирно буде боляче.
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@moigospodin4155 ..It is now a year later, and trust me, we know the truth by now. But you tried very hard to convince people otherwise. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 💙💛
I’m a Ukrainian and actually haven’t seen the movie before although I knew about it.
Thank you for reacting to it, it was quite interesting to hear your perspective!
Slava Ukraini
I watched this this week. I couldn't help but weep...The same generation is now fighting again for their countries existence. How could Putin think the same population would perceive russian troops as liberators and accept then with open arms?
President Putin DIDN'T go into Ukraine...to conquer the all of you Ukraine..That is well known ..but pricks like you just have to lie ....so you couldn't help but weep ?? What a pathetic disgrace you are ..Bet you Never wept for , The BABy or the people in Iraq ..USA Regime UK regime and OTHER war criminals REAL war criminals ..killed At least ONE MILLION innocent people did you weep over them , Do you weep over the baby's and children of YEMEN ??? Listen buddy if war makes you weep ...may be it proves you have feelings like normal human beings ....But I simply don't believe YOU ...as all your crying is for ONE SIDE ...and if you were a good decent person you should CRY for all side's ..which you haven't and Won't ...you carry on crying and supporting your fascist and Nazi death squads in Ukraine ..watch Babi yar ...
Stop watching CNN , you hack .
You have absolutely no idea what’s happening around the world .
Question : From memory and without cheating , do you know what UKRAINES official flag looks like ? … of course you do 👍👍👍
Question #2 : No peeking -From memory and without cheating, do you have any idea what the flag of Iraq looks like ?
How about the flag of Yemen ?
How about the flag of Syria ?
Sudan ?
Pakistan ?
Libya ?
Afghanistan?
Somalia ?
…Of course you don’t ! 🤣🤣🤣
All these countries I named have been bombed by the U.S and it’s NATO allies over the past 2 decades .
You only know what THEY want you to know .
Embarrassing 🙈
Very timely choice of subject. Thanks for doing this - I haven't seen it before either.
Thank you very much for sharing. I hope more people will see this to understand what it takes to fight for freedom and let bravery win over the fear of totalitarianism.
I remember watching as this was happening. Had no idea why, or how far reaching the consequences of this action would be but it makes you realize why they're fighting so hard now. They paid for a free country with their blood in 2014 and by god they're going to keep it or die trying.
I am from Ukraine. Look please Oliver Stone Ukraine on fire.
@@moigospodin4155 I hope you are doing well. It's an amazing documentary and touching story. I'm from Sweden. For the whole of Europe, WIN UKRAINE and never give in to demands
@@moigospodin4155 stop lying
@@Angelina-nh3bq who are you? why do you think i'm lying? your media said? to get started, check the information about the Nazis in Ukraine, for this it is trite to enter into the search engine in UA-cam "Nazis in Ukraine" and there will be exclusively "democratic and incorruptible" media in America and Europe will tell you about the Nazis. I hope the Europeans and Americans will not go crazy when they realize all that they have done.
@@moigospodin4155 or u deleted ur comment urself or yt did that Idc
All u said is totally russian propaganda so russian warship is waiting for u
It’s so funny to see how russians trying to behave as a victims
thank you for showing this and the extra material from interview articles.
As you said democracy is fragile, like a flower it must be nourished and tended.
People have forgotten that Justice, Free Speech, Democracy and body autonomy are social concepts. Ideas of the people.
We have to work as a united society to make these tangible.
Many people quote about evil flourishing when good men do nothing.
I like Terry Prstchett's view that evil begins when you treat people as things.
March 2024, I saw this documentary which is now free to view on UA-cam on Netflix Channel.
I recommend it everyone who wants to understand the situation in Ukraine.
What documentary is free on UA-cam?
@@Dorr234 "Winter on Fire", about the Euromaiden Revolution of 2013-2014 in Ukraine.
No country, not even the US is that far from disaster at any time. We've been lucky to live in relatively safe times so we forget the past. We forget how fragile this all is. Freedom, democracy, life cannot be taken for granted. There is always someone looking to take it all away for their own benefit.
🤣🤣🤣🤣i am from Ukraine. Look Oliver Stone Ukraine of faer.
@@moigospodin4155 You misspelled Russian troll
@@moigospodin4155 russian bot
@@tamarabubblegun4937 a bot is a machine, and a machine is better than a human, the machine analyzes, compares the facts, gives the result. Man is an impulsive and fairly predictable creature.
@@moigospodin4155 Yeah, of course we gonna watch a documentary about Ukraine made by man who loves Putin and Russia. Sure thing.
Peace with compensations for Ukraine... first of all russian troops leave Ukraine at once... if they leave equipment behind it becomes property of Ukraine... russia should give Crimea back... russia should compensate the damage of this unjust attack and war... they should give all the money they got from selling oil and gas during the days of war... after all it is Ukraine`s soil where the war happened/is happening and infrastructure is destroyed... it should be russia that pay the cleanup and rebuild... so Ukraine could rebuild faster what russia destroyed... public apology for the lives lost on both sides would be nice... and and asking for it should not be necessary... but given it without asking would show real understanding of the crime russia has committed... and russia should not be allowed to dictate what Ukraine is allowed to do or not do... instead trying to dictate terms of peace... never less asking for a surrender... just shows russia/putlerpulin has nothing in sense of remorse... but still the sociopath attitude... that would be just disgusting... and PEACE SHOULD BE NOTHING LESS BUT FAIR... NOT SOMEWHAT... BUT TOTALLY FREE UKRAINE...!!!
Thank you for this, Jared. This film was incredibly impactful, and to have a trusted perspective with an eye of the history involved- well, personally, i find it invaluable. again, gratitude.
Your comments about having a global perspective are huge. Should be a lesson for all of us. Thx
Good to see you again!!!
Thank you very much for making this video, it is much appreciated
I remember a few channels that would cover this. And I watched VICE back then and they covered it and remember watching it. And youtube was basically just started to allow creators to livestream if they were verified and I watched a stream and it was... very bad. I remember watching people with a metal shield and then they fell and everyone started hiding because they were getting shot at
Watch the movie, and then watch 20 Days in Mariupol back to back. "Winter" ends with such hope for throwing off fascism, and then we see what the man behind the screen does. It is heartbreaking.
What the documentary did not go into, because as you said at the start it did not take a step back and discuss it, is the context in which the internal strife was happening inside Ukraine, and I don't know if you get into this with your students.
The EU's involvement, by courting Ukrainian membership, was the trigger that led to the Russian backed Yanukovych winning the rigged 2010 Presidential Election, because clearly Putin did not want Ukraine joining the EU. It led to the 2014 Russian annexation of the Crimea and Russian military intervention in the Donbas region of Eastern Ukraine, since Ukraine did not have the Article 5 protection of NATO membership (an attack on one is an attack on all). This was hubris on the part of the EU, since it believes that it, and not NATO, has been responsible for peace in Europe since 1945. It is in fact the aim of the EU to usurp NATO with the dormant Lisbon Treaty articles for a common defence policy (why have two defence unions based in Brussels?) as a means of removing American influence from the continent. With the main objector to an 'EU Army', the UK (a key NATO member), now out of the way thanks to Brexit, the EU is pushing ahead with its military ambitions.
It's recently been brought to light again that Boris Johnson, now UK Prime Minister, had claimed in 2016 during the UK referendum campaign on EU membership that the EU was responsible for the 2014 Ukraine civil war, and was accused of being a Putin apologist. Johnson was absolutely correct, but that doesn't make him an apologist for Putin. The EU had effectively 'poked the Russian bear' by seeking to recruit Ukraine as a member state, but that does not excuse Putin from trying to reverse Ukraine's move to the west by means of backing rigged elections or use of unconventional warfare to seize Crimea. Ukraine's wish to join both NATO and the EU is driven by fear of Russian domination and a desire to open its economy to trade with the West.
The other point that needs to be made is that the UK, USA, and Russia, all signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum to assure Ukraine of its independence and sovereignty in return for Ukraine destroying the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the fall of the Soviet Union (about one third of the USSR's arsenal and most of the R&D was based in Ukraine) and for joining the nuclear arms Non-Proliferation Treaty. This is the reason we are involved and have some responsibility towards Ukraine in the current crisis, because Russia is breaking that agreement. Russia's pretext is that the interference of the EU breaks the agreement, but it does not. Russia asked for the agreement to include a guarantee that Ukraine would be neutral, but Ukraine would not agree to this, so the text rests on "independence and sovereignty", not neutrality.
That means Ukraine can join any international organisation it wishes, including the EU and/or NATO, or indeed an agreement with Russia - if it wished. As things currently stand, NATO membership is not possible because two of the requirements for accession are no current military conflicts or territorial disputes, and Ukraine has both. Ironically, the one thing Ukraine can do right now is join the EU, which might actually help its current situation, assuming the Ukraine Government can remain in place.
It may have been hubris for the EU to believe it was responsible for peace in Europe since 1945. However, I think it's probably good that the EU is thinking more seriously about their role in defending Europe.
@@JonathanRossRogers - the EU has always been serious about establishing its own military, because that is a vital component of statehood. That is why the Treaty of Lisbon (the 2005 EU Constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters and recycled as a mere 'treaty' in 2007) has three articles in it to establish a common defence policy, a common military command structure and a common equipment procurement policy.
Those articles remained dormant, since "the EU Army" was faced with objections from the UK and others who supported the NATO alliance, and Swedish and Irish neutrality would have to be accommodated with some sort of carve outs, possibly by dissociating the military from the EU political structure in some way* but the intent has been clear for decades since the whole point of the EU is to remove American influence from the continent. The EU have simply been biding their time, it's a work in progress.
The UK has since left the EU, so that removes a possible obstacle, and Sweden is actively considering abandoning its stance on neutrality in the wake of the Ukraine conflict, although it is considering NATO membership.
(*Even after leaving the EU, the UK is still being courted by the EU to participate in a European military, which is why PM Boris Johnson was invited to join EU leaders in their recent meetings on the Ukraine conflict, despite ongoing conflicts over Brexit. I detect two possible motives for this. One may be to use military alliance as a way to eventually persuade the UK to rejoin the EU in the future - this is pure Bismarck in its approach, because Bismarck used military treaties to bring about the 1871 unification of the German states and provided the model for the Germans to use economic treaties to create the EU. A second may be that having the UK, a non-EU member state, involved in the military structure may give cover for EU member states that wish to remain neutral and remove any objections to the military structure)
@@davemac1197 Do you think an EU military is a good or bad idea?
@@JonathanRossRogers - not really appropriate if the EU is "just a trade bloc" is it?
@@davemac1197 I don't know if an EU military is a good idea. I'm not European. It sounded like you knew what you were talking about, so I asked your opinion. I think it's a good idea that Europeans take responsibility for defense of Europe because then Americans would be less responsible. Maybe that would be an EU military or maybe it would be something else.
Gosh I was in the 6th grade when this was unfolding and I want say they showed us clips of what was going on over there but i feel like I was in awe looking at it and then quickly brushed it off, not because I didn’t care but because I was 11 and a yokel to other worldly events and really only cared for things happen here in the U.S.
Thanks Jared
Thank you Professor!
Thank you!
Could you react to Generation Kill. Would love to get your opinion on it.
Hope you've seen the commitment to that in answer to Hellbreaksloose and the many others requesting it in past weeks.
It is coming!
Oh SWEEEWWWET
I was 7 when those events were taking place in the center of my home city. I don't remember it well, I really didn't and couldnt process it at that age. The only thing I remember was anxiety and asking my parents 'Are russians and tanks will come to Kyiv?" I believe I heard spmething from News about the occupation of Crimea. Later on my teacher from school was sharing her memories. They made sure that nobody goes out alone, nobody goes home by themselves. I am proud and forever fascinated by the courage and free will of my nation. Slava Ukraini!
Bravo!
Sorry for what we're doing to your country and it's people.
People here were hoping you would not fall for the same tricks as other countries did.
But sadly that was not the case.
For some future advice, always be careful and skeptical when you hear my country say they want to "help" or be your "friend".
Whenever we want to bring "peace" and "democracy", the opposite happens.
Thanks for the reaction to the film. I returned with you again in 2013-2014.
She remembered our past, for us Ukrainians at that time the beating of people on the Maidan caused violent emotions, we did not know such cruelty. That's how we knew that criminals were in power and it was becoming authoritarian (that's why they came out against Yanukovych in 2004). That is why people went to protests, which were not mass, stood and left, but so that blood was spilled from beatings, this is the first time.
Then we did not know our further future...
When students were beaten on the square at night, when I came to work, I couldn't find a seat, I called my husband and said that we should go out for dinner, such cruelty should not happen in our country.
And then there was the "March of Millions" on December 1
On December 11-12, the night of the Maidan crackdown, we first saw it on surveillance cameras, when the golden eagle started running to the Maidan. We got into the car and set off, along the way we picked up people who were walking. People subscribed to Twitter and drove their neighbors to the Maidan. We persevered and that bell and hymn still ring in our ears. And I remember the sunrise, we held out, we held the Maidan.
Why did the Maidan survive? Because many people began to disappear, those who were found by the police, trials were held against them. And after January 16 and even more, we knew that if we did not stand up, these people would be in prison, and we could not abandon them like that. We had to free them...
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Stay strong and stay safe!
You are right about needing a global perspective. I am trying to make sure my kids have an idea of what's going on in the world, but struggling with how much to show. But, I also know they can find it other ways so at least I can give them context. I want my kids to enjoy life and not be in fear. But being clueless turns to apathy and then ignorance. How much more should the Wests governments be judged because they know a lot more than us and don't do more to prevent these atrocities. That is a shame. God bless the people of Ukraine.
Servant of the People is now on Netflix. Please consider reviewing.
It's not historical, but I found it pretty funny and surreal.
Maidan is not pronounced like a young girl, but My Daan
Apologies. We are always learning correct pronunciations on this channel.
Thank you
I've got a whole list of documentaries that would be interesting to hear your perspective on.
Jared, I watched your reaction video to the movie about the Canadians in the Netherlands. I just came back to find that video so I could see what the name of that movie is and I can't find the video. Can you please provide the name of that movie?
That would be "the forgotten battle" it got taken down due to copyright after 4 days. It's being disputed and I'll probably just re-upload it soon. Sorry about all that.
@@ReelHistory Thanks. That video peaked my interest in that aspect of the fighting in the Netherlands. In 2014 I was fortunate to be sent to the Netherlands twice for work. I was able to go to Bastogne, drive the route of Market Garden, Overloon War Museum, Breda, and Ypres.
Could you react to Generation Kill with Chuck? Would really like to see it.
It'll happen I'm due time
The director said when they tried to talk to cops they didn't talk are said stop recording and politicians would just be politicians
20 Days in Mariupol... try it.
A pity that Eisenhower didn't err on the side of caution by NOT intervening politically in the 1956 Suez Crisis. As one political observer here in the UK recently said "in the 19th Century the British Empire was a force for good, after Suez it became a joke, and now apparently it's a war crime".
I don't understand the force for good given the countries it colonized
@@lolawalsh9187 - apart from railways, parliamentary democracy and trial by jury, how about exporting the idea that slavery was immoral? That idea originated in England as far back as 1103, and subsequently exported around the world by the growing power and influence of the British Empire.
@@davemac1197 Just who do you think imported all the slaves to the Americas in the first place?
@@kkpenney444 - I think probably Columbus during his expeditions to Hispaniola (Haiti and Dominica) in the 1490s. You have to understand that transportation was not illegal at the time and these expeditions and colonies were all private enterprises. For its part, the Royal Navy established a West Africa Squadron to interdict the trade off the coast of West Africa, where the actual slavery was being done by Africans. Education is a wonderful thing, don't you think?
@@lolawalsh9187you are right ..the "force for good" means all colonized wealth heads towards London ..oh and not to forget all the stoneage savages and tribes we gave capitalism and godfear ..arseholes
Your timing couldn't be better. I see the slight similarity with the truckers from Canada and now the United States. Hopefully no violence, but it seams that specific areas of the world become a relief valve or a pressure cooker for political upheavel. They seem to explode every few years. Jared thanks and i wish some local folks will have seen this. Great job with your insight. Thanks.
I was reading a news report last night that some American truckers on the road to a DC protest did not believe there was a war happening in Ukraine, and it was fake news. I find that extraordinary...
I don't really like most documentaries like this, they are so one sided, they seem more like propaganda films from WWII, than an actual unbaised account of events. And when dealing with topics that people will willingly die for I think everyone needs to be very very careful, it's really easy to get swept up and split into sides and to lose your perspective. Especially with all information being suspect. Anyway great video as always love your commentary, hope Andy enjoys his vacation!
Oh I am, thanks!
exactly this, there is another documentary from oliver stone called Ukraine on fire and shows the exact opposite
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The main difference that stuck out for me is that Stone's documentary, and it was not really Stone who made it, was that in Maidan the terrorists were outside agitators, but here it shows the police pointlessly running in to smash heads ... but it does not say who the police were, or who ordered these tactics. The later sniping and arson and burning people was claimed to have been done by Nazi militias.
@@Am0rPHiA he is just russian propagandist so stop spreading lie
@@Angelina-nh3bq oh so there's no western propaganda then funny 🤣
12:55 you are spot on. 💯
Please, as a history teacher, please do your best in researching all the official government documents that have been leaked or that are publicly available before you teach this part of history.
There have been multiple reports and documentaries, books and on the spot reporting by western journalists that show the true story of what conspired.
Living through history is exhilarating but very terrifying. Unlike when we look back, we have no assurances things will be OK.
I don't think I like it much.
A call to spy was a interesting WWII movie. Would love to see Reel History's take on it.
I'd be interested in your take of The Untold History of the United States
Would be interesting to juxtapose "Winter on Fire" with it's Putin positive rebuttal documentary "Ukraine on Fire" produced by Oliver Stone. In some respect they're both propaganda pieces, however I find the latter's propaganda to have aged rather poorly as it dismissed the possibility of what has now happened.
What is happening now discredits Ukraine on fire
@@andrewsmith3014 I don't think so it just proves Ukraine is a split country it's not all about Kiev the east didn't want anything to do with American backed government horrifying the American involvement
@@waynepatterson6167 Yeah, of course. It's not like people from the east were also in Maidan, it's not like many of them flew their home because russians cane. And it's not like terrorist Girkin said himself "I'm the one who started it"
14:35 - Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych meeting Catherine Ashton, the EU's 'High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy' (yes that is the official title for EU foreign minister) and Vice President of the Commission between 2009-2014. Previously the EU Commisioner for Trade and EU Commission representative from the UK, she had no foreign affairs experience (!) and was previous to that a Labour Party politician, her political career starting in 1999 when she was created a Life Peer in the House of Lords as Baroness Ashton of Upholland by Tony Blair's Labour Government, after a career in Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) and the Central Council for Education and Training in Social Work. She became leader of the House in Gordon Brown's Labour Government in 2007 and steered the (EU) Lisbon Treaty through the Lords, a document that had been framed as an EU Constitution but rejected by referendums in France and Netherlands, and then re-introduced as a 'Treaty' with a new front page and signed by Gordon Brown on the UK's behalf without a referendum as his last act in office.
No pack drill for Americans who don't follow all of this, most people in Europe have no clue what the EU really is, or what it is up to.
"racionalizatiob of police decision" - well, money, the head policmen are corrupt and they all have cuts and were unvloved in Yanukovych schemes and they knew they had high chance tovbe procecuted, so it's not like commanders were highly moral on thus, regular policemen - it depends, some of them were the same
Its a very well made movie. Super bias of course, does not show many politicall events or the pressence of ultras (football hooligans kind off) and nationalist like Right Sector and Svoboda. But in generall I believe this reflect reality more than the russian narrative (of this being a western backed coup).
If any government in the west killed hundreds of citizen it would either be forced to resign or double down in to total dictatorship. Russian autocrats not geting this and focusing in power politics instead of understanding of what a real popular rising looks like.
I watched this from beginning to end with an open mind. I hope you will watch Ukraine on fire, produced by Oliver Stone, with an open mind,from start to finish.
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Ukraine on Fire was a Putin propaganda apologetics rebuttal which assured that what IS happening wasn't Putin's ambition. Oliver Stone has egg on his face for that stoogery.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat no he doesn't it's far better and explains the problem across Ukraine not just Kiev if you understand it then you would know why Ukraine is where it's at now USA have blood on there hands this is what they wanted
Sure thing Putin absolutely knows better what happened in Ukraine than Ukrainians themselves. Plus that film said that Russia wouldn't attack Ukraine. And what we have now?
@@waynepatterson6167 Of course, if something bad happens - blame USA. You just like Russians who will blame America because they live poorly
It's good that you reacted to this piece which appears to start in 2010.
You should also react to Oliver Stone's "Ukraine on Fire" documentary. I found it gave a lot more important history and nuanced context.
The narrative that "Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and Yanukovic, a Russian puppet, denied them" is simplistic and wrong.
I find it amusing that these two very different documentaries share such similar titles. Intentional?
Oliver Stone is Russian puppet, or just a dummy
Oliver Stone's documentary is made by Putin's puppets to look better in russian people eyes. Winter on fire is from Ukrainian people point of view. It's true that Yanukovich was son of bitsch I have a friend of mine that I knew (not really close but I know him) who was killed on peaceful protection. President who think he could beat civilians and go with it, is very awfull person
Yeah, of course we gonna watch documentary made by man who loves Putin and Russia. You really think that Putin and Yanukovich knows better what happened in Ukraine than Ukrainians themselves. Plus their movie said "Russia would never attack Ukraine" and where is Russia exactly? Killing civilians, bombing critical infrastructure and trying so hard to make sure that Ukraine and Ukrainians would never exist anymore
@@amiable_monster '...Plus their movie said "Russia would never attack Ukraine"'
I do not recall that statement. Can you please point me to it?
Looking at your comment, I am asking you a question what happened to the people in Donbas?
7:35 - I think we were all fairly ignorant of what was going on with Ukraine, and Russia in general. When reported on it was always in a kind of vilifying way, the old USSR, and evil Putin is Stalin or Hitler or worse. Then when the this crisis hit the media seemed all read to go, and most alternative views and sources of information just evaporated. Having lived through JFK, RFK, MLK, Vietnam, Iraq and all the rest of it, I am skeptical of US media and propaganda, so the first thing I did when I started hearing President Biden talking about Russia invading Ukraine was to start to try to find out what was going on and why Russia/Putin would want to do such a thing. Then the threads of history going back to the end of WWII, the Cold War, the breakup of the USSR, and the promise to not expand NATO, along with the expansion of NATO activities in the world to Afghanistan and Kosovo, etc, there was a distinct history of the West seeming to continue the Cold War against Russia, always sanctioning Russia for something or another, and vilifying Putin, and certainly never comparing or contrasting Russia with the actions of the West, US and NATO.
It's a mess certainly, and the resolution seems unthinkable right now, but I don't think it's good that the West is handing out weapons to Ukraine, machine guns to anyone who wants one, and recruiting criminals and Nazis to fight. The killing and cleansing of Southeastern Ukraine by nationalists who were reported to have killed 14,000 Russian civilians and the threatening of the Ukrainian government and manipulations from the West seem so far apart.
Also the many times Putin and Russia have tried to negotiate an agreement with the West and the West just ignores it and keeps pushing East. Even our own most honored diplomats and historians have come out for a long time against this NATO expansion. I find myself sympathetic to both Ukraine and Russia, and not really seeing what the West is trying to do here. It seems like we are tying to get Ukrainians killed and Ukraine destroyed before any peace agreement can be reached. The deafness of the West, and the massive propaganda campaign that kills any discussion about what is going on.
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There is no justification for putin's invading a sovereign nation and committing war crimes
You have really drunk the Putin Koolaid. Which former Soviet republic has the West invaded?
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I don't see what that has to do with it.
But when you limit it to former Soviet Republics you stack the deck, so not only are you drinking the Kool-Aid, you are trying to sell it as well.
@@justgivemethetruth OK, forget the former Soviet Republics. What parts of Europe has the West invaded since 1990?
This place should be renamed to January the 6th.
you should watch ,,Ukraine on fire'' documentary 2016
lol You don't even sound confident in what you're saying as you lie and shill for a propaganda film whilst completely ignoring the last 100 years of Ukranian history.
Well, it is a reaction video....
So this guy takes only one perspective and leaves out Ukraine on Fire?
oh yes, he should also take Bolivian perspective, those guys must know well what was going on in Ukraine. Maybe you should try asking Ukrainians about Ukraine for once, not just Russians and prorussian propaganda?
@@l.y.299 I have, half my family is Ukrainian lol. That's why I know how deep the rabbit hole goes.
@@roman9762 сподіваюсь, ваша позиція на війну хоча б однозначна
@@l.y.299 Just because I have Ukrainian relatives, does not mean I speak the language. My view is fairly neutral, which is the point of the first post. You say Russian Propaganda, but there is just as much Ukrainian propaganda with the truth being somewhere in the middle. That's all I'm trying to say, but Ukrainians are too blinded by hate to think constructively anymore.
@@roman9762 so you admit that you dont live in neither Ukrainian nor Russian info bubble, you cant analyse or proofcheck the news, you dont understand the processes within both countries, only feed off second hand unchecked information, never talk to people living here, but dare claim to understand anything? And yes, saying that some of your relatives are Ukrainians is a cheap cover, it means absolutely nothing.
You should also watch Ukraine on Fire by Oliver Stone and offer the full scope of events because both sides are guilty in this issue imo and Ukraine has been heavily influenced to be a battleground for years especially by the west.
Stone is a stooge for Putin.
We gonna listen what Putin says. Next time we gonna listen to abusers opinion and blame the victim. I understood your logic
Slava Ukraini
Glory to the Heroes.