Tonal Cues ep2: The Most Common Stereo Micing Mistake

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024

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  • @easternsouvenirs
    @easternsouvenirs 3 місяці тому +23

    Whaaat. It’s not too often anymore I come across a “you’re doing it wrong” video where I am actually doing it wrong and it makes total sense why it’s wrong. This was very insightful

  • @foketesz
    @foketesz 24 дні тому +1

    Clear, logical, to the point and short. 🙂

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  24 дні тому +1

      I try to trim the fat a bit. Glad you found it informative!

  • @TheLucaBattistella
    @TheLucaBattistella 5 місяців тому +14

    3:56 Nice pause for comedic effect. Liked.

  • @jamesstonehouse3448
    @jamesstonehouse3448 21 день тому

    This explains why I liked using ORTF so much.

  • @annemullercello
    @annemullercello 24 дні тому

    As much as I appreciate the informative content and clear explanation of the video, I would also like to mention that I could and will listen to your lectures for hours.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  24 дні тому +1

      Thanks very much dear Anne! So now I just have to record hours of tech chatter then..

    • @annemullercello
      @annemullercello 24 дні тому

      @@martynheynemusic yes please!

  • @AdriendelaSalle
    @AdriendelaSalle 5 місяців тому +12

    Such a clear and entertaining explanation, thanks Martyn. I'm gonna enjoy this series so much!

  • @twitcheyspleen
    @twitcheyspleen 29 днів тому

    Thank you. Great video, which will help me in future sessions!

  • @oceanjaws
    @oceanjaws 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you so much. This is so useful and so obvious when you explain it.

  • @CempStar
    @CempStar 5 місяців тому +2

    That was amazing! Everything you need to get started with stereo recording!

  • @oadrums
    @oadrums 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you, very helpful 😊

  • @stephengoold9044
    @stephengoold9044 3 місяці тому +2

    Good point! Never thought of it that way, though it does slightly confuse me because something like the Glynn John method of recording drums resembles your forbidden pattern, but with the mics spread out along the radius further and rotated on the axis. Thanks for such a good video!

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Thank you Steven! I'm addressing your question regarding Glyn Johns in the latest video

  • @devon-graves-studio-D
    @devon-graves-studio-D Місяць тому

    Well put! Subscribed

  • @DelmaRaySmithJr
    @DelmaRaySmithJr 2 місяці тому

    Hearing is physical, listening is mental, optical illusions in sound is psychoacoustic.

  • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
    @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 3 місяці тому +1

    learned a lot there very humbling danke

  • @timball8429
    @timball8429 5 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the advice! Great info!

  • @persquad8998
    @persquad8998 5 місяців тому +1

    I have made a HUUUUUGE mistake. Thanks for the Clearification 😅

  • @benjamin6909
    @benjamin6909 3 місяці тому

    Absolutely brilliant video. I wish more of my friends in audio would take the time to learn more about stereo mic techniques.

  • @rzk_audio
    @rzk_audio 3 місяці тому

    Fantastic video!

  • @gravityfreaksmusic
    @gravityfreaksmusic 3 місяці тому +1

    Richtig gut. Hier wurde gelacht. Schön erklärt auch. Cheers!

  • @Snhojbar
    @Snhojbar 3 місяці тому

    Thank you. You did a great job of explaining that.

  • @pedrovaz3301
    @pedrovaz3301 5 місяців тому

    Very good stuff! Please keep going!

  • @maxreinsch
    @maxreinsch 3 місяці тому

    Bloody good job!!

  • @spokeydoke
    @spokeydoke 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for such a clear explanation :)))

  • @pedroahets
    @pedroahets 4 місяці тому

    Great video! Thanks!!!!

  • @sonicart1808
    @sonicart1808 5 місяців тому

    Très bien Martyn...😆I mean very good, concise & well-explained thanks....

  • @GarryChecora
    @GarryChecora 3 місяці тому +1

    Beyerdynamuc MC-930.

  • @ChickyNYC
    @ChickyNYC 4 місяці тому +3

    Any thoughts on Glynn Johns or Recorderman overhead positioning? On both, the mics are pointed inwards, yet tend to give lovely stereophonic and binaural results, from my experience

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Yes! I'm addressing this in the latest video. See you there!

  • @AlbertWeijers
    @AlbertWeijers 5 місяців тому

    Mooi gesproken dat Nederlands!

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  5 місяців тому +1

      Dank je wel Albert

    • @ectoplasma5
      @ectoplasma5 3 місяці тому

      ​@@martynheynemusicHeel mooi ! Das Deutsch war auch perfekt.

  • @buckeroonii
    @buckeroonii 3 місяці тому

    That was incredible, where can I hear your next drum solo?

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      I'm talking about drums in the latest video. Missed a chance to make silly noises though..

  • @joegridl
    @joegridl 3 місяці тому

    I like my snare dead center. If i face the mics away from the snare they might sound different in each mic. But I did not do my own research on this. So maybe I'm wrong. I will definitely try out next time!

    • @dancarter5517
      @dancarter5517 2 місяці тому

      With overhead drum mics, I get one mic where I want it, measure from the center of the snare to the mic capsule then place the other equal distance to the center of the snare. In a mix with the snare mic panned center, it will also be dead center of the overheads when panned hard L & R.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Check out my latest video on the Glyn Johns technique! See you there

  • @itikutok6568
    @itikutok6568 23 години тому

    Awesome stuff, thanks!

  • @HerwigScheck
    @HerwigScheck 23 дні тому

    Thanks for the excellent explanation. So each and every drum overhead micing technique where the microphones are pointed inwards (mostly towards the snare drum) have these problems? do you have experience using the Recorderman technique (equidistant from kick & snare via a cord/cable and pointed towards snare drum) and if so would that have the same problems? Thanks in advance

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  23 дні тому +1

      Hi, drum overheads do indeed often have this problem but there's a point where I wouldn't consider them a stereo pair anymore. I've made a video about this in relation to drum micing here: ua-cam.com/video/GLoSzoqDcac/v-deo.htmlsi=ycwRWFeNQla4717F

  • @lyleooley
    @lyleooley 5 місяців тому +2

    How does this apply to a Glyn Johns style drum setup? Seems to give a nice stereo image, both pointing more or less inward.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  5 місяців тому +7

      Great question! Basically in Glyn Johns technique the mics are so far apart from one another, and so close to the source, that it's not really a stereo technique anymore but rather two mono sources with panning. The bleed fills the spaces in between.

    • @JonathanGalle
      @JonathanGalle 5 місяців тому +2

      In addition to Martyn's answer you'll also notice the two mics are not competing for the stereo image, amplitude and time are both working together still. Glyn Johns only works if the mics aren't competing, which is why you make sure they are equidistant from the snare and roughly 32in away. The ride sound will arrive at the rear microphone before the overhead mic it will also be louder due to it's proximity. I'd argue it's a bit like a spaced pair in terms of qualifying for "stereo-technique-ness" and in my book it's on the brink of still being a stereo technique but it's on very shaky ground haha! You'll notice if you set it up correctly you can pan the overhead mic hard right and the behind mic hard left and still end up with the snare sounding in the middle, to me that's enough to qualify it as a "stereo" array. Especially considering you can balance the full kit quite nicely without any spots if done correctly. But to each their own! I think one could easily argue it's not a "true" stereo technique.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  5 місяців тому +1

      @@JonathanGalle Think of it like this: Can you use Glyn Johns on a piano? On a choir?

    • @JonathanGalle
      @JonathanGalle 5 місяців тому

      @@martynheynemusic Fair enough, but does the Glyn Johns array not capture an accurate stereophonic sound of the kit? I'd argue it sounds better than almost all of the traditional stereo arrays for kit for most jazz/small kit applications. It creates an accurate stereo image of a drum kit and by that definition I would say it is a "stereo array" as it creates a stereo image. I think calling it two mono sources with panning is a bit oversimplified and doesn't give the array it's due. For comparison: I would argue the Decca tree is a stereo array, If you agree with me that it is a stereo array then you'll also probably agree that the array tends to fall apart on smaller sources than orchestra. Does this officially make it not a stereo array? You could obviously argue "no it's a LCR" but in my book a stereo array is one that represents a realistic stereo image. Once again, I'm just being pedantic about all this, in regards to the video and the greater conversation it is largely un-important haha! We can both however agree that pointing cardioids in towards each other spaced out is a bad idea and to absolutely not do it hehe!

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому +1

      Hi Lyle, I've made a new video addressing this question regarding Glyn Johns. Hope to see you there!

  • @keyboardtek
    @keyboardtek 5 місяців тому +1

    As a pianist, I am trying to achieve a recording like my ears hear the piano. Zenph Studio recordings of their piano used a dummy head with the mic elements in the ears. So should the spacing between two mics be about the width of a head? And should there be an object in between about the size of a head to block the sound from opposite sides from being caught by the side sensitivity of the mic?

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  5 місяців тому +1

      Brilliant question, thank you! I'll answer this in the next episode

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  5 місяців тому +2

      here we go: ua-cam.com/video/3g4KYXJ9Vjk/v-deo.html

  • @georgeogrady449
    @georgeogrady449 3 місяці тому

    Why record in 24 bits went mixer 32-40 bits

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      It can be useful to mix in a higher resolution than the recording or final delivery master for a few reasons but not really worth losing sleep over.

  • @astralaudio101
    @astralaudio101 3 місяці тому

    My question is, why is AB recommended with Omni capsules? I’ve been focusing on using Cardioids because of the risky rooms with low ceilings etc.. Thanks 👍

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Very good question! It's mostly because Omnis can do things other mics can't and they in turn can only do AB.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  25 днів тому

      Hi @astralaudio! I've made a video answering your question in depth here: ua-cam.com/video/GDMsXpZWUsY/v-deo.htmlsi=xEYVpjdoAupnQfHW

  • @progpowermetalhour
    @progpowermetalhour 4 місяці тому

    Can this technique be used on an acoustic guitar to create a stereo image?

    • @JiihaaS
      @JiihaaS 3 місяці тому

      Sure, ORTF is probably a good starting point, so I suggest taking a look into its specifications.

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Yes, near coincident, coincident, and AB can all be good on acoustic guitar!

  • @tekis0
    @tekis0 3 місяці тому

    Sub-SCRIBED!

  • @followthebeat66
    @followthebeat66 3 місяці тому

    Most common mistake: doing stereo recordings.

  • @JuiceNZ
    @JuiceNZ 4 місяці тому

    dude... your video has the most annoying hiss sound throughout it...hard to watch an audio guy talking about audio mistakes when this is going on

    • @artysanmobile
      @artysanmobile 4 місяці тому

      dude?🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @ts4gv
      @ts4gv 3 місяці тому +1

      it's not *that* bad is it?

    • @cplock5670
      @cplock5670 3 місяці тому +2

      Sure there’s a bit of hiss, but this explanation was very clear and concise. Two things can be simultaneously true - there is indeed hiss, but the information delivered is accurate.

    • @JuiceNZ
      @JuiceNZ 3 місяці тому

      nah its poor form plain and simply

    • @artysanmobile
      @artysanmobile 3 місяці тому

      @@JuiceNZ you sure your name isn’t dick?

  • @ElRobboz
    @ElRobboz 3 місяці тому +1

    An excellent summary and explanation, Martyn. Top work! :o)

  • @AlbertoMons
    @AlbertoMons 17 годин тому

    Yes ! 💪

  • @DouglasBryant-d2f
    @DouglasBryant-d2f 4 місяці тому

    Thanks

  • @kristianalexanderpedersen7382
    @kristianalexanderpedersen7382 3 місяці тому

    A sound louder in one speaker than the other is just called panning ☺️

    • @lucaserojas
      @lucaserojas 3 місяці тому

      Panning is just the shifting of sound from one side of the stereo image to the other, nothing to do with loudness

    • @kristianalexanderpedersen7382
      @kristianalexanderpedersen7382 3 місяці тому

      @@lucaserojas What happens when you have have identical volumes in both sides and then lowers one side? The phantom center moves and is panned to one side. Moron :)

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      Sounds like the latest video on Stereo I just made could be on interest to you!

    • @kristianalexanderpedersen7382
      @kristianalexanderpedersen7382 Місяць тому

      @@martynheynemusic Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about :)

    • @martynheynemusic
      @martynheynemusic  Місяць тому

      @@kristianalexanderpedersen7382 I believe you're thinking of a mono signal. In the latest video I'm outlining the distinction between panned mono and a true stereo image. Cheers

  • @j.p.7708
    @j.p.7708 2 місяці тому

    I will always listen to a person that speaks multiple languages 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻🤣