$430 650B Wheels...Any Good? (HUNT x MASON Gravel Wheelset)
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2020
- Long term review of the Hunt x Mason Adventure Gravel wheelset. **Wheelset was provided free of charge for the video review. Opinions are my own.
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Had these for just over a year and I can't fault them, the slight heaviness of them is more than made up for by the price and the fact they are as hard as nails. About a month ago I hit crater of a pot hole that had cunningly disguised itself as shallow puddle, almost chinned the stem and sprained both wrists, burped the tire, sealant everywhere, God knows how I managed to stay rubber side down, checked it on the truing stand still running true, no ovaling. I had WTB i29's before these which are basically MTB rims and I had to tweak them into true every other month or so.
Thanks for your quality review Russ. Seems like some value modern wheels one couldn't go wrong with
I bought a pair right before my bikepacking trip across France, 900kms on dirt roads, single tracks and some pretty gnarly terrain, and I'm really happy with them.
They stayed true, and to took some big hits from potholes without flinching, even with the bike fully loaded.
I must agree with Ross on the weight: mine came out at 1680g on my scale, including tape and valves. I won't lie, I was a bit bummed. But once I rode them, I immediately noticed a big difference with the stock wheels that came on my Kona Rove ST, so I still really happy with my purchase.
Notice: the tape came badly wrapped from the factory, had bubbles and began to peel at the end, but still so, no issues to fit tubeles tires. And also, I didn't get the spole tool.
All in all, very good value for the money.
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the Hunt XC Wide's for my hardtail. For those that also like MTB riding, a high engagement hub at this price is terrific. High engagement is a big plus on technical (somewhat rough and twisty) climbs. Hearing that they tend to stay true and are relatively light at just over $400 is amazing. And the flexibility of configuration with the easy to remove endcaps is just another plus.
Helpful. What I love about your reviews. Crisp, casual, clear.
I have the 700 version. Have been very rough on them over the 7 months I've had them, by rough I mean catching air and landing crooked and rough terrain. Only very slightly out of true. Very happy with them.
Great review. Happy new year’s!
Been running the dynamo version and love them. Easy tire installation and came setup ready to roll. These are my second set of 650b and love the ease of tire installation compared to the Mavics 💗💗💗💗
Perfect timing. I'm in need of a new qr rear wheel. This brand seems to pop up a lot with google searches but hadn't really heard anything about them. Good to hear they are decent quality.
I ordered a set of 4Season 700c, I haven't even ridden the wheelset yet and I can tell you. HANDS DOWN, THE best buying experience I've ever had to date. If the wheelset is half as good as their CS department I'll be absolutely laughing. I will have absolutely no problem recommending these to anyone based on that fact alone. I'm excited to ride mine, and already thinking of buying another set. It's a truly banger company, banger people, and hopefully a banger product. Super stoked to ride them.
I ride the dynamo version of that. Over 13,000 kms since last July, primarily road. Went through a set of WTB Byways. I agree with you on almost everything that you have said about those wheels with the exception that I had quite a bit of difficulty installing a new set of tires on. It may be my fault since I am new to tubeless.
But, really, these wheels are really value for the money and I believe that they're quite well known over in the UK.
That's great value!
Hey Russ. New to your channel and really like it...so thanks.
Yes...I have a set of Hunt All Season 700c gravel wheels. I really like them. The EZO bearings were phenomenal right out of the box. This is a testament of not only the bearing and the build quality, but the runout in the bearing seats as well. I decided on them after seeing a UA-cam video of one of my favorite Brits...Josh Ibbett...during his tour divide race in '19 when they all got stuck at Brushy Creek Lodge. I've got about 2000 to 2500 miles on them and haven't had to touch them and I've been on some pretty rough single track. I too, think they are a great bargain. I also like the fact that Hunt will allow LBS's to become dealers...or at least did back when I bought them last year. I've been trying to get the bike shop where I work interested, but no luck yet. They're DT Swiss snobs...
I like the logo on the screen behind you!
Love my 700C Hunt gravel wheels, but only 100-200 miles due to lack of racing this year. Like the spare spokes and Really tubeless ready - includes valves and tape. And brake 6 bolt adapter. I also like the rear hub engagement and sound. Very nice. Oh in a wet gravel race i bashed my rear wheel with a rock, np for the wheel. 30 psi for me too, 40 and 45 wtb. These are the lightest aluminum wheels i own, they fall between 2 different types of bontrager aero carbon road wheels with some rim depth, so i am pretty pumped about it. Over 100g lighter than my stock wheels. And yes price is great.
I can explain the weight issue for you.
When a rim manufacturer makes an alloy rim, the main bulk of the cost is the mould. As more and more rims are extruded from the said mould, the mould actually wears out and in turn, the rim thickness increases on all fronts. This thickness increase adds weight.
To keep costs down, the mould is used further into the wear stages. As said earlier, the mould is the most expensive part of the alloy rim's cost and the longer they use it before replacement, the cheaper the rims are to make.
Because of this, you either have to pay extra for a more consistent rim(weight wise) or make do with a larger variance in weight. With carbon the moulds do not wear out as much but the process and material costs are much higher than that of alloy so they can afford to replace the moulds more often.
Hint: this is part of the reason why some carbon rims can be so cheap
Alloy rims aren't moulded, they're extruded. The extrusion tooling is made of steel, much much harder than the aluminium alloy the rims are made of....
i have the carbon version of these and love em! havent gone back to my 700c wheels
I've had these same wheelset for over a year on 4 bikes. One thing for sure is that the hubs are loud when spinning freely. Currently I have Donnelly 50c stradas mounted and these wheels have a nice supple ride at around mid 20s psi on hard packed gravel. No issues or truing needed so far. These wheels now live on my crust Evasion lite and I will be fitting either teravail rutland 2.1" or the vittoria mezcal 2.25" this winter.
Open up the freehub and put a thin layer of light grease on the mechanism surfaces. I used Shimano fluorescent green grease. It made it noticeably quieter without affecting the function.
I rode a set of these wheels (the dynamo version) through Venezuela & Brazil and I love them. I used a set of WTB's 47mm Byways (the Sendero are also 47mm) and 2.1 Nanos without issues :)
I have the 700c version. 2 years and several thousand miles on them and they’ve never missed a beat. Still true, hubs have never needed seeing to, lighter than most wheels for the price (and more) and they run super smooth. I don’t see any point going anywhere else for a set of wheels. Just saving up for a pair of Hunt’s Superdura dynamo wheels now.
I was going to buy these to replace the stock DT Swiss Spline C 1850 which comes with my new bike. This was just the review I needed to confirm my decision. Thx and subbed. =D
Great review. Definitely looking for 650b wheels to not break the bank and these hit the mark. Now I can convert my custom Industry Nine 700c to slicks for more road use.
J P l put these wheels on my custom steel gravel bike . Spot on review from Rus .they are awesome had know for 12 months they roll very good . Great on any surface . Will not disappoint.happy cycling 🚴 cheers max
I got the Hunt gravel disc wheels several thousand miles ago. For the price I'm impressed . Fitted some 45 gravel kings from Panaracer. Roll well and improved my Salsas ride. Heavy original wheels stunk! Big improvement
Here in Europe Hunt wheels really have the same "cache" as other brands like DT. These are really well crafted wheelsets.
Great fake wheels
Good review Russ. I see more and more Hunt 650b rolling around in CA lately. $430 I can see why.
The PartyPace/Bridgestone logo is so rad!!!
I just came from Your video reviewing the WTB wheels and also Chris King carbon wheels. It’s aweomse ot see that carbon wheels come with lifetime warrenties, and also that “lightweight” wheels are avaialble at several different pricepoints!
I have the same wheels, they are amazing. Light and good looking.
I have a pair of these wheels on my Mason Bokeh. I agree with everything you have to say, great set of wheels at a great price.
I have this same wheelset on my Warbird since this past winter. Probably put 1k miles on them. I’ve enjoyed them! First time I’ve set
up tubeless and I agree it was quite easy.
Superrrr easy going tubeless. Love them.
I have some miles on my Hunt 4 Season 700’s and they are one of a few companies making high quality aluminum wheel sets. Ordering was easy, shipping was quick and the small tag with the builders sign off iced the cake for me. I will buy more wheels from them when the obsession strikes again.
I am looking at these in 700cc so very interested. Great channel!!!
I dont have these but a different carbon Hunt 700c wheelset and have had very good interactions with their customer service. Do recommend.
love the Partyspace in Bridgestone typofont in the background.
May or may not be a sticker soon :)
Path Less Pedaled *runs to Patreon*
I have the 700c version and love these wheels, replaced the free hub but think more down to me riding through a filthy wet muddy British winter and not keeping up with the routine maintenance, good company to deal with as these guys are cyclist.
Free hub change easy as is the versatility of these wheels. Well done Hunt.
I think their Dynamo hub wheelset is a killer deal. Have you made any content on Dynamo lighting?
Unrelated - I'm really digging that Bridgestone/Party Pace logo in the back.
mine just arrived yesterday. I got the 700c version because my Bombtrack EXT-C came with the 650b version and I suppose the 700 version will be as nice as the 650 are. For the price I’m onboard for sure.
I have close to 6k on mine. I’ve thrown everything at them. Hand built single-track, horse turd chunk, crumbling bike paths, and all forms of gravel. You name it, good chance I’ve rallied dry and wet. Durable, still true. Zero problems (still noisy as ever).
These wheels are amazinggg. Bought for my gravel and MTB ohhhh myyy. My bikes are so different. Hunt forever. It was plug and play. Tires sealed at first try.
Never knew Mason was involved with making wheels too, they make my dream bike, the Mason Bokeh.
These are a collaborative effort between Hunt and Mason.
Have xc wide and love it
After you did the live stream with hunt wheels I ended up purchasing a set of the hunt 650b adventure carbon wheels. For $795 delivered I have been very impressed with this carbon wheel set. Very good value for the money. It was a huge improvement over the stock at WTB wheels that came with my Salsa. I am not a super heavy user, so I cannot really comment on the long term durability yet. However I have confidence that I will get good service out of this wheel set. It looks like they no longer list this product on their website, so I guess I jumped the bandwagon at the right time. Delivery service with DHL was phenomenal. They sent me the email that they shipped, and they were in Arkansas about a day and a half later. Very impressive for shipping from England.
THIS is why I might not buy them: $795 shipped to the US; $1080 shipped to my country (Malta) which is much nearer. That's over $200 ripped off!!
What a pity!
I looked hard at them before building up some stans wheels with white industries hubs. I questioned what do the 6 bolt rotor adapters weigh as I felt they did not include those in stated weight of wheel set. My other concern was freewheel noise level and lastly how fast/smooth the hub bearings might be. In the end I paid twice as much but my LBS has always been there for me including when I had hub failure out of warranty on one of my OEM rims and I trusted he would build them right for me. Good value from Hunt though for what you get. Thank you for the review!
The bearings come from EZO Japan. There are very very few (if any) hub manufacturers that make their own bearings.
Hunt wheels have a very good warranty behind them, 60 day ride and return, free warranty returns.
That said, there is nothing wrong with supporting your LBS and I bet your custom wheels are sweet.
Personally I wouldn't trust any of the shops near me to touch my bike. 😁
Every wheel review is supposed to claim that the bike ‘came alive’ after swapping wheel sets.
Definitely came alive when compared to when the bike had no wheels!
I love the Senderos for dirt and one of the few times the marketing fits exactly what they can do. One question you said they are 48mm but they are labeled 47mm was kind of hoping a little bit bigger on my spinergy wheelset but exactly 47mm
I have had the carbon 650 version for over a year. Sooo much better than the stock wheelset that came on the specialized sequoia.
I love mine: have the 700c version!
Me too they’re good wheels for the price and hubs sound goid
Was really close to buying the dynamo hub build of this wheelset, but unfortunately the max weight was only 220 (not enough for loaded touring for me). Not sure what the weight limit is on these, but that is a consideration.
Love their brand though and have heard nothing but good things!
These wheels were a worthy upgrade to my Sora $1100 Journeyman which came with very heavy wheels. But I didn't want to put $1k wheels on a $1k bike.
I feel the improvement in acceleration from stop which on an urban commuter bike is key.
I had tried some ultra cheap carbon from eBay/China. They arrived warped. These were the right solution.
I also have a Journeyman Sora, looking forward to a wheel upgrade.
Would love to a pair of those "Bridgestone" stickers for my Chinese carbon frame.
Coming soon.
With all those spokes I would imaging they stay true through almost anything most people would be courageous enough to try on a drop bar.
Please Review the Bokah, I've been temped since it was announced and it still looks good.
The hub is on the noisy side but I got used to it. Overall, solid budget wheelset. And another great vid thx plp!
Noisy hubs save lives :)
Noisy? Industry Nine’s scream like a banshee (in a good way).
It's an urban myth that you can discern stiffness or suppleness in a wheel in the radial direction. Tires deflect far more than a wheel, so the wheel is effectively totally stiff in the radial direction.
Forgot the free hub sound test 💗
Please make a sticker of the Bridgestone inspired Partypace logo. Please.
On its way!
Oh please. That would look awesome on my MB-2!!!
And a patch please.!
These are what I am looking for to upgrade a 700c that should have never happened BUT I can keep the 700 set for a road ride.
Had mine for 1 year awesome roll great on any surface just love them
Thanks Russ. Have you any thoughts about their 700c gravel wheels?
Well I think that Hunt makes a good product and well priced, I've considered a set for the road bike. Just have to say that I wouldn't expect these wheels to last forever. If you live in somewhere like the PNW except the aluminum nipples will need replacing in the first ~2 years, due to corrosion. Also personally have had mixed results with similar hubs, but would imagine rims will need to be replaced before, within 2-4 years depending on your riding style (on- vs off- road). Right now you can find a comparable wheelset with DT 350s for about that price. IMO a good name brand rear hub is not only expectantly durable, but is more resilient to hub/freebody standard changes ... Like always, thanks for the video Russ!
@Nick S: where can I find a comparable wheelset with DT 350s for about that price please? Not many options available where I live, would a appreciate a link if you can (thanks in advance)
@@josephfarrugia2350 Depending what your looking for specifically, inventory is really low. I currently see a few decent sets on ebay and pinkbike for ~500 (sorry can't do links here). I've picked up used sets for ~250 pre covid, but don't think thats possible atm. The hubs are worth the extra money, rims are more of a wear item. Just for reference, pre-covid I was able to build my own wheels with used 350 hubs for ~200, carbon hoops for ~350 and spokes/nipples for ~40.
They're built with brass nipples and spec'd like their all-season rim and disc models basically. I've been riding a set of each in recent years as winter shit-weather wheels in the worst hardcore weather to be found in, yep the PNW Col. R. Gorge mountains, rain, snow, etc. And based on the Hunt branded hub performance after hammering those two sets for several years which have needed basically no service except some freehub pawl grease to quiet the ratcheting down, I'm springing for this set too to run 48s as an option with a couple other sets of wheels i use between two all-road bikes. Hard to beat this bang for the buck, with brass nipples no less :) .
@@ernie12man Good to hear they work well for you and hope they continue to! Totally understand that a decent carbon rim with brass spokes can last many seasons without fault, even after a true or two. Hubs, are more regularly where i've seen/experience problems. For hubs such as the ones supplied by Hunt; i've generally see issues after 3+ road seasons, cx/mtb i've seen hubs last maybe 1 season (it's more or less luck of the draw/Taiwanese manufacturer IMO).
With my longest use bike, I'm on ~6 years with my current the DT 350s (daily commuter). 5mi (avg) a day, partially loaded, with maybe 2 services a year and still no issue. On other wheels I have only had one bad bearing on a front 350 and have had axle issues (complicated), this is why I have own 8 complete sets (240/350).
Do you think you can review the their 37mm internal wheelset on your Jones please?
nice wheelsets! i'm trying to build my own. do you have any recommendations for a budget hub that can go fast for a gravel build, something that can accommodate both Thru and QR? Would really appreciate a recommendation.
would these be a good upgrade for my Surly Midnight Special?? I get a bro deal at my buddys shop for Stans too. Any thoughts??
thanks in advance
How would you compare these to DT Swiss GR 1600, they are approximately the same price.
Hello Russ thanks for the review.. I have this wheels for 6 months now and can say they they are really good wheels .. but like you stated .. they do not roll so freely like the other set .. I can say the same that the ones I have do not roll that nice like I would like to .. my stans no tube that cost me 540$ roll much much nicer and freely and feel so much better than this .. very sad to say because the are nice looking .. I’m looking to see if there is another brand bearing ls that I could switch them for .. any ideas ? Measurements and sizes can be tricky to find to fit on this wheels .. thanks
Please tell me that Bridgestone partypace logo is gonna be a patch!!
looking really hard at their dynamo wheelset... oh and you might have 200g worth of dirt on those, lol.
Would be interested in how you would review a set of Velocity USA wheels! Handmade in Michigan. Their Cliffhangers are great - 650B only about 625g per wheel, I have been incredibly happy with them so far, but never see anyone really review this company.
oh, and they are similarly priced to Hunt !
Hunt wheels are great, here in UK mason use them on there frames, check out mason cycles if you have not...real quality bikes.
Hey Russ, I have a question regarding the Sram Apex brifter you use in 'the cave of bad ideas' : are the brake /shift levers carbon or aluminium? Cheers
Apex is definitely not carbon.
Thanks for the review Russ. Any possibilities of doing any wheelset reviews sub $200? $430 is more than half what I paid for my ‘89 Bridgestone MB-2. Thanks again for all of your reviews.
I don't know that I could find a NEW wheelset for that price that I could recommend.
Don't buy a sub $200 wheelset. It's not worth it in the long run.
Fulcrum Racing 7 DB Gravel is are the cheapest I've owned that I would recommend, not as good as these but they punch above their weight for the price. They sell for £200 here in the UK so you might find them around $250 In the US.
chris McTavish thanks. 👍🏼
Do you think that 28 spokes is enough? I have used 32 spokes in the past.
Im looking for a wheel set to convert from 700c to 650b, i have disk brake and quick release, i only found wheelset on tru hole, any idea?
Russ, what do you think about the ride difference and ground clearance on 650B vs 700c? I'm just about the same size as you and worry about BB height when jumping over curbs and riding easier single track. I've only ridden 26" and 29" wheelsets, not 27.5" (650B). Thanks!
650b x 48 is the same diameter as 700x28. If you can run 700x28 you'll be fine.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Currently running 700x37 Riddler's but can run 650x48 on my Topstone Carbon, so the 650b will be a bit lower...Thanks!
Hello! What about having a stream about bikes in Russia? I'm new here on youtube but I have some special experience in bikes, especially in Russia.
You hit it on the head mate. I've been eyeing these wheels to get a set of 650bs. The only reason I haven't pulled the trigger is because my "gravel" rides are still 60-70% road (dunno why people drive to fire roads instead of riding).
Lynch_91 you just answered your own question- who wants to spend 60% of their gravel ride on bitumen
I feel like it isn't really worth it when the bike is equipped with DT Swiss G1800 stock, is it?
Inb4 “omg $430 this ain’t budget”!
Nm too late
How do you think they would compare to the stock wheels on a Poseidon redwood? Thanks
A lot lighter.
can this be converted from a 142mm thru axle to 135mm quick release and vice versa?
Yes
I think it trueing and checking spoke tension by hand, with a tensionmeter will make wheels last longer. Even better learn to build your own wheels.
Time or money.
I'm looking at getting into a set of these wheels but I'm curious if you can run 2.5 inch tires on them or not??
You COULD but probably not the best idea.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Right on. I'm a newish Poseidon Redwood owner and I'm looking for the right combo to go tubeless with about 2.5 inch tires. Maybe I'll just stick with the stock wheelset.....
Any sense of the carbon version is worth the extra cost in light of your carbon wheel video?
I think it is good value esp with their crash replacement warranty.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks for the fast response! Really enjoy the channel!
Does the wheel set ship with the tubeless valves?
Yes.
@@PathLessPedaledTV thank you x
how long would they last if you 50,000 miles in 5 yrs on them.
Forever.
Can get a set of Velocity Dyads for $475 and they come in at 1250 grams.
Let’s see the link to that then. Has to include hubs and spokes to be considered a wheel.
With what kind of hubs and spokes? Do you have to build them yourself to get to that price? If yes, are the truing stand and tension meter and skill included in that price?
@@PathLessPedaledTV store.velocityusa.com/p/650b-27-5-standard-disc-touring-wheelset/wheels_touring_27-5-650b?pp=12
That is not the weight of both wheels. 1250 is just for one wheel.
$490 now
Jee 1 year ago they where $430???? They already $550 a year later. This industry is milking us, because at the current price they still one of the better priced upper mid wheels out there I think.
The cost more then my bike... obtainable doesn’t mean sensibly priced
They cost more than my toaster oven too. Outrageous.
Ive heard they cracked
Good thing they have a lifetime warranty.
$430 for non-competitive, party pace and considered budget?! Wowza.
When wheels can cost regularly cost upwards of $1k to $3k. Yes. Are these cheap, like $50 cheap. No. This is about the floor of new modern wheels without buying some sketchy. If you want less expensive but still decent, you're paying for it in time and tools to build your own.
Greg, $430 is considered inexpensive in the scheme of things. Your budget and disposable income will dictate what you can afford. If interested in testing 650B, check the used market or Jenson, Chain Reaction, Blue Sky, etc. Good luck!
Path Less Pedaled I suppose it’s all relative but that still seems like a pretty penny and leaning past budget. I would imagine $430 for a set of wheels would take care of well over half the people that watch your videos
Outback Wack fair point, I’m just thinking that, should I spend $430 on a set of wheels, the bar wouldn’t be set so low as Do they stay true? And do they turn? It would be more like, When I turn the pedal, do I glide 4 miles?
@@gregbowie3695 Well, do what I would do, cut out all coffee, alcohol, processed food snacks, eating out and so on for a couple of months and see what that gets you. Good equipment costs money and enjoying them makes you forget the sacrifices you have gone through to get them.
Cue the "Hunt wheels are just rebranded Chinese crap" comments... 😁
I've already deleted one. Not because it's not the truth or because I'm hiding country of origin, but they always suggest buying some way more expensive wheelset. The person buying handbuilt wheels and Hunts are not the same customer so those comments are just asinine.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I find it funny that some people still think made in China/Taiwan is a bad thing. They type those negative comments on a phone/computer that was made somewhere in Asia... 😅
Apparently they are Kinlin rims with bitex hubs, which is the exact combination I have on my wheelset (without the Hunt logo), if that's true, it's a very good combo. My is still true after 10k kms.
@@PathLessPedaledTV A friend of mine has got some "hand built wheels" cost him just over a grand and a half in £, they spend more time in my truing stand than on his bike and he's broken more spokes than I've had punctures. They are a whole 70g lighter than mine though.
@@yanncampbell7401 They offer a lot of different wheelsets nowadays, I don't think all of the rims come from Kinlin, and they use some Novatec hubs as well.
"650B curious" sounds like a new gender, lol