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I understand that the whole "better tires in rear" thing came from a lawsuit where someone spun out on a curve. The lawyers got a settlement from the shop that put the better tires in front, "causing the accident." So, shops put the better tires in the rear because the lawyers have decreed it. I have had to sign a waver to get my better tires placed up front. [I buy 4 tires at once, rotate them as appropriate.]
SCOTTY DID NOT ROTATE THOSE TIRES PROPERLY, NOT BACK TO FRONT. TIRES TO WEAR EVENLY THEY GO RL=FR, FR =RL, RR=FL, FL=RR THATS THE PROPER WAY, SO YOUR TIRE WEAR EVENLY!!!! THIS HAS BEEN THE RULE FOR OVER 100 YEARS!!! THEIR IS NO BACK TO FRONT RULE. 2/32'S IS THE MINIMUM TREAD RULE(ITS IN YOUR STATE'S DRIVERS HAND BOOK!!)G ROTATE SPRING/FALL. 2 TIMES PER YEAR.
Great video Scotty. Yes, rotating the tires every 3,000M (5,000km) is going to do wonder to prolonging the life of the tires and making the vehicle ride better. And I agree with you: why the heck would you put the new tires on the rear of a front-wheel drive vehicle. Makes no sense!! Good mechanic story. I had a squeal in the front of my 98 Honda CRV. Took it to my mechanic. It was a stone behind the dust plate on the front brakes. He didn't charge me. Thanks for the great information. All the best, Cheers Rick
I've had that tire argument. Those rear tires on most cars are just hanging around back there keeping the rear end from dragging on the ground... Heck I used to have them put the best tires on the front of my rear drive cars, because the front is pointing the car around and taking most of the brake loading. I think "We put the best tires on the rear" is just so they can sell you the other pair sooner for the front, or get you to bring it in to find the shimmy or whatever. One other thing that can affect your braking/steering a bit; if you had a leak and patched it with that flat fixer goop, it can possibly put that tire a bit out of balance. Not much but it doesn't take much on a lot of cars.
I run a tire shop and I always say best tires in the front regardless and probably one of the most honest mechanics here that’s why they keep coming back
In the North on Icy or Wet roads you want the better tires on the rear. My neighbor is a tow truck driver and has been for 35+ years and the people that put better tires on the front are the ones totaling their car because the car spins out due to lack of rear traction causing it to fish tail. When the back comes around there is nothing you can do because the front has too much traction. Most of the weight in any vehicle is in the front over the front wheels so yeah you might not get up to speed as fast but when you hit the brakes the good rear tires will still stop straight by pulling the rear straight.
I had a similar issue with my Snow tires. they would slip more than usual. I. had put the “Better” tires on the rear but spent the whole season spinning on takeoff. Next season I move put the good tires on the front. No more spinning and no fishtailing unless I used the parking brake.
You always want the better tyres on the front as this does all the steering and most of the braking, after that people just need to learn to drive. The Back will follow the front if vehicle is handled correctly.
What about hydroplaning. Worn front tires will cause you to hydroplaning when the tires turn into skies when roads are full of water. In the South we have more flooded streets then icy streets
SCOTTY DID NOT ROTATE THOSE TIRES PROPERLY, NOT BACK TO FRONT. TIRES TO WEAR EVENLY THEY GO RL=FR, FR =RL, RR=FL, FL=RR THATS THE PROPER WAY, SO YOUR TIRE WEAR EVENLY!!!!
You're absolutely right. A tire shop should not dictate where you want your new tires. The reason they want the newest tires on the rear is so the rear doesn't wash out in foul weather causing someone to lose control. It's promoted as safety but I personally think they want you to buy four instead of two. Btw I installed tires for over 10 years.
Thanks Scotty. I bought my first front wheel drive car in 1981, and noticed the physics of driving changed, and I had to rethink everything I knew in the past about driving. Driving habits were easy to relearn, but maintenance was a learning experience. Every other oil change balance and rotate tires. Rear tires straight forward, R/front to L/rear, and L/front to L/ rear. 90% of tire related problems resolved.
RAV 4, 2008, 180K, old car, umm- screeeech! Haha, Luv Ya Scotty! got a 2004 Envoy with 194K on it, and I've only had to replace: CAT(under warranty), still going strong... water pump(a real pain), did the thermostat for good measure... cruise control sensor(helper broke it), front rotors(finally), back still just BARELY spec out, & brake pads, obviously. YOU have helped me so much, and I do every prevent-maintenance thing you tell me. Also: on a side note, I had the same problem in this video and EVEN tho I got a 4WD, I just put the BACK on the FRONT, and... Majick! Thanks for all you do, and a "REVVIN" Good New Year To YOU"!!!
I’m sure most people know this but to get the most life out of your tires, we have them rotated every oil change which could be between 5 to 7000 miles, plus you can feel the difference in handling.
Anything below 4/32nds of tread you want the better tires on the rear to prevent hydroplaning. But if you do replace 2 and the other 2 are still in decent shape then it’s still safe to leave the new tires on the front.
No one denies that newer tyres perform better at the front. The point is, come an emergency situation Scottie’s customers will have oversteering rather than understeering cars. The average driver can control and understand understeer better than oversteer. Those are the facts pure and simple. And Scottie can get as mad as he likes but that’s the reason for most companies ‘nonsense’ policy, as he calls it.
I work in a car garage in the UK when we are putting new tyres on a car they go to the front if its front wheel drive or rear if its RWD. Its a known fact that if you put the new ones on the rear and the worn ones on the front of a FWD car they'll wear out quicker same with new to front on RWD cars, that way these other garages around can sell them new tyres quicker. Personally I think that's wrong when other garages do that squeezing people dry years ago it happened to my mother when I was a kid. Always be honest and helpful they come back to you then s'what we do and people keep coming they appreciate honesty
I was once told at a tire place the the wobble I felt in the front of my FWD car was due to an out of round tire and they tried to sell me a set of new tires for the front. I told them just to put the front set in the back and the back set in the front. The wobble went away.
Yeah if it's out of shape/stepping on the front can put them onto the rear so they'll last a bit longer eventually will start to be able to hear them howling like a wheel bearing but thats if they get real bad they all need changing at some point like anything does
Scotty, when rotating tires and having to lift the tires up to get them onto the lugs, I use a shovel to raise/lever the tires upward a few inches to slip them onto the lugs. Put the shovel blade under the tire and push down on the handle and the tire raises up into place with little effort. It works. There’s a new video you should make, “how to change a tire with a shovel.”
I had a similar problem with my 1998 V6 Camry at around 180,000 miles. Rotating tires seemed to help for a short time then the problem came back. Replacing the front calipers fixed it. One caliper was sticky causing the car to pull erratically under high-speed heavy braking.
On every vehicle I've ever driven, regardless of where the drive wheels were, the front tires wore quicker than the rear tires. It's because the front tires support the heaviest part of the car (the engine), not to mention they bear most of the stress from turning and maneuvering the car.
Lots of people are undeserving of their success. Not Scotty. This guy is clearly one of the most genuine, informative, and likeable person UA-cam. Keep-up the good work Mr. Kilmer!
I just put new tires on my 1997 ES300 Lexus (112,000 miles) and it dramatically improved the steering response. I am still shocked, because the old tires had at least 1/4 inch of tread. The only reason I replaced the front tires is that one failed, probably due to a puncture. Now it drives like a new car, with easy steering.
@@rays7437 Yeah, I learned that. I just hate spending much money on a 22 year-old car. The new tires are guaranteed for 55,000 miles, which is 10 years of driving at our current rate.
@@rays7437 Wow, I didn't know that. I am going to ask mom if she remembers getting new tires over the last 22 years. The spare was the original until last week, so that suggests the front tire just wore out.
@@HSMiyamoto In the U.S. the tire manufacturers are required by law to put a date code on the sidewall of the tires so that you can tell how old they are. Sometimes the code on on the outer sidewall, sometimes the inner. It usually is 4 numbers such as 0619 which would mean that the tire was made on the 6th week of 2019
One great thing about buying tires at Costco is that they offer free rotations and rebalance the tires. Another chain, Discount Tire also known as America's Tire (or something like that) offers free rotations and flat repair.
This is what I've been taught (and makes the most sense) when it comes to tire placement. Front Wheel Drive - new tires go on the front Rear Wheel Drive - new tires go on the back 4 Wheel Drive - safest bet is to have 4 new tires. No problem if you're gonna tell me I'm wrong, but please tell my WHY.
Thanks for sharing Scotty. If we all lived near you, you would be working on so many cars, you would have no time to make all these wonderful videos. ;-)
The reason why companies put good tires on the rear is for liability reasons. If you have less traction in the front, you get understeer (car plowing) which isn't scary or uncontrollable for average drivers. If you put good tires on the front, the front will have more traction during cornering and you can get into oversteer (fish tailing/spinning out) which can be quite scary/uncontrollable for an average commuting driver. Keep the tires even with normal rotation for best results :)
The idea of "best tires in the rear" isn't only for RWD vehicles, as some suggested. I live in a cold weather state and the reason they put the good tires on the rear is to stop conditions of over steer. Your average driver isn't cornering, planning for their rear end to slide out behind them. They don't drift often. Tire people figure that under steer and a lack of acceleration will make it obvious to the driver that they need to proceed cautiously. But if you are aware that your rear end could slide out from behind you, you might prefer the better braking, over steer, and acceleration. 🤷♂️
No mater what, it is always better put better tires in front. Because it`s much easier to control or stabilize your car when rear is sliding if front of your car is sliding so its gonna be much harder to regain control.
@@wilkas159, to each their own. I disagree. I think under steer is an easier condition to recover from than over steer. But you can put your tires wherever you want.
@@djseismic let's aggre that we are both right. You think that under steer is easier and think that over steer is easier. Looks like it depends on driver.
I would rather be drifting around a corner than hitting a tree or pole on the corner because the car can't pull me around the corner becasue I have no steering!
Yes Scotty, it is better to put new tires in the back if your only buying 2 if you live somewhere it rains a lot those new tires will prevent your car from hydroplaning on the interstate and causing an accident. Putting them on the front will of course give you better traction and improved handling, but the older tires in the back will not hold on as long and will cause you to spin out if its wet or snowy out. But ultimately its better to have 4 good well taken care of tires so you know the threshold of your vehicle so you can adjust accordingly to the road conditions.
I`m an old disabled mechanic and agree fully. In the old days many would put 28 psi in the front tires and 32psi in the back and i always told them they are nuts because the back of the car or pickup is empty and the front has an engine that weighs a few hundred pounds, and that when you are stopping the weight shifts to the front and that will hundreds of times more weight because of speed than the actual weight of the car at rest. I run even air and max stated on the tires.
@@RalphSampson... Tightening with anti-seize or grease on threads will have a different effect than tightening with clean, dry threads as specified by many automakers. Shouldn't warp rotors, but could.
@@stephenarling1667 I always put a spot of grease on them just so they're easier to remove next time. I see your point. If the threads are dry, there will be more resistance causing more torque needed to turn a given distance. I never really thought about that. That's another good reason for lubrication. Good point. Thanks.
5:05 as a tech working at Discount Tire, we always put brand new tires on the back because lowers the chance of hydroplaning in wet conditions. After they are “broken in” it doesn’t really matter to us. If the customer wants them on the front though, we put them on the front. It’s a stupid “policy” to not do what the customer asked for (if it’s within reason, of course).
@@dinobot_maximize I've experienced that a couple times buying from used tire shops when I had no knowledge of tires. Never again. New tires forever...
Good information, I love those Rav 4s. Won't the problem happen again when the fronts wear down, so does this mean the vehicle always needs new tires on the front, or do you rotate to prevent the problem. What does the future hold for fixing the problem in the long run. Thanks, Always watching your videos's, there's no one better. Thanks Scotty.
Finally a mechanic that understands, put the freshest tires on the FRONT. I get so angry with the people at Town Fair Tire here in Connecticut. They always put the freshest tires on the rear so I go back inside and demand they take the car back and put the tires in the CORRECT place!
My biggest problem with tires is GETTING THE KNUCKLE HEADS at the tire shop to balance them properly! Sometimes have to go back 2-4 times within a few days! 😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖
Glad to see you kept the tyres on the same side of the car. Swapping sides means the tyre rotates in the opposite direction and wears faster. Good on you.
Scotty is right. I worked tires for 15 years. Only time it's advisable to put the better tires on the rear of a FWD is when you are only putting two studded snow tires. Otherwise the rear end will try to pass the front while breaking or cornering on the real slick stuff. The rear end is the anchor.
I learned to cross tires towards the drive axles, sorry guys everyone missed that one! I always jack the whole car up and rotate that way. On a front wheel drive car, rear tires cross to front and front can come straight back. No crossing needed.
onen thats overkill and a total waste of cash and never criss cross the rotation like front right to rear left. read how many miles your tires are rated for, once your at half that milage, put rear tires tires to the front and front to back,don't criss cross. check air pressure, Do the alignment and balance.
@John Smith when you criss cross, you are reversing the Direction that the tire was originally going in and when you do that, it can cause unwanted vibration. Its best to do front to back and back to front, half way of life of the tires. Plus they just want to take wheels off so they can try to sell you unnesesary brake jobs and other things. Never go to cheapie oil change places that state they will do all this extra work for free, its not free. They just want to sell sell sell.
Had some guys at a tire store insist about putting two new tires on the back just a month ago. I told them if they knew physics, they'd put the new tires on the front of a FWD car and insisted they do so on mine, which they did. No clue where that bright idea of putting them on the back came from, but at least Scotty agrees with me... lol.
I work at firestone, the reason why we put the better tires in the rear is because supposedly if you have a blow out in the front tires youll have more control
Hi Scotty, I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one who has always put new tires in the front with my front wheel drive. There is a place in my town that puts them in the rear, and if I had known that I would have never patronized their business. Thanks for all your videos!
just bought 2 new tires at walmart.they had a sign recommending putting them on the back.i wanted them on the front of my front wheel drive 1998 camry and they made me sign a form denying them responsibility if anything would go wrong.
You are safer with your best tires in the rear if youre in a wet climate. Lots of accidents happen from hydroplaning. You want better traction in the rear.
The reason for having the better tires in the back is due to that a loss of control will more likely result in a front collision. All cars are constructed to stand against more force in front than on the side. Before someone hammers down the reply “I want control and I can steer my way back to safety when my back comes sliding”, yeh you surely can ‘cause you’re practically a nascar driver. But the grinding sound you would hear when turning you steering wheel in the other direction is the upcoming traffic slamming into your door, ‘cause you are rarely the only one on the road. If your car wabbles due to bad tires when breaking at high speed, buy new tires!!!
@ Scotty Kilmer could it be what they’re actually talking about is the ABS kicking off and on and thinking that is their problem or could there be a problem as well with the ABS
*It's actually SAFETY Issue.* If you have more traction in the back (newer tires), worst thing that can happen is that your car will understeer (plow head on) to a pole, in a snow storm. 💃👀🙋 But if you put the Newer tire in the front, when you have balding tire in the back, you will spinout (oversteer) in to a Deep ditch like James Caan in the Movie MISERY, and be kidnapped and have your both of your ankles hobbled,,, 😱😵😨😭🙏
@@falcunt Owner's manuals all show that tires are to be cross-rotated. Even on cars that have directional or different sized rear tires. I see a few cases per year where we have to re-rotate a customer's tires because they develop handling, ride, or noise problems because they had their tires cross-rotated somewhere. Some times the book is wrong because it's too generic
Every 'Other' Oil Change (3k miles) on our 2007 XLE Camry I have the tires rotated. Around 5k to 6k miles and our tires wear real well that way. And I always buy Michelin now.
My dad taught me that many years before front wheel drive was a thing. He said it was best to have the best tires up front because that's where you run over things.
I really hope you have a torque wrench Scotty. Our 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk had tires put on it at the dealership and they didn’t use a torque wrench and the lug bolt was sheered off after 2,000 miles on the vehicle! It was the front left and we came to a screeching holt going about 80-0 via the rotor dragging on the 5 lane highway. It’s for everyone’s safety Scotty
Especially with front wheel drive, they also round off because of steering wear. RWD usually wore pretty even with fronts unless doing donuts and burnouts but steering tyres always round off.
Your right! These "tire specialist" alot of times don't know what they are talking about. Theya why people use to(don't know if they still do, they do their oil and then preform their "tire rotation". Hell shops use to ask you if you wanted your tires rotated which was recommended when you got your oil changed. Either that or after your second oil changed they'd REALLY recommended it.
@@adcolt54 Actually if you watch the video you will see that the front tires are worn all the way across... NOT just on the side... Schneider tire in Marne , MI... If buying a new set of tires will rotate your tires every 1000 miles at no charge... Just to give you an idea of tire wear...
They do that because if you corner, the back is more likely to swing out, and since the back of the car controls the vehicle, you lose the control. Its seems stupid but it actually makes sense(putting the new tires in the rear).
Torque wrench isn't always needed as long as they're good and tight with a power tool. unless you're using a very weak power tool or you're manually turning by hand, them yes torque wrench. Also most of not all power impact wrenches has adjustments to not overpower the tightness.
Lug nuts should be always properly torque , if they are under torque they will come loose or if they are over torque you can mess up the lug stud threads and /or cause brake rotors problems ...... take it from my 4 year college + 10 year experience at a real shop not my house garage
Just thought I would explain the 2 tire issue, seeing as the shop you went to couldnt be bothered to do so. The purpose of putting the new tires to the rear is not to keep your front wheel drive car from spinning on take off. The rear of the car is the light end and the lower tread tires will preform worse on the lighter rear end compared to the new tires on the heavier front end, thus increasing the possibility of hydroplaning (which actually starts in the rear most of the time) or spin outs on snow/ice especially while cornering. The best solution would have been to replace all 4 at the same time and do regular rotations to keep the tread wear within 2/32's of eachother at all times, thus eliminating both problems. At the shop I work in ,we would have recommended 2 new tires put to the rear (with full explanation) , but you would have had the option to sign a waiver and not follow the recommendation. We would have replaced the worn front tires as requested, then balanced and rotated the older rears to the front and the new to the rear had you chose to accept the recommendation.
It actually is for *"Safety."* 💙🙋👍 If you have more traction in the back (newer tires), worst thing that can happen is that your car will understeer (plow head on) to a pole, in a snow storm. 💃👀🙋 But if you put the Newer tire in the front, when you have balding tire in the back, you will spinout (oversteer) in to a Deep ditch like James Caan in the Movie MISERY, and be kidnapped and have your both of your ankles hobbled,,, 😱😵😨😭🙏 ,,,, 😂😂😂
Hi EricBee Fpv: Best advice in a nutshell. Pity that so many of the dumba***es driving around don’t accept this advice. You (and your tire shop) obviously know your safety codes!
@@iainmeteorscan1555 most don't, then want to come back and b@*ch when they spin out in rain or snow. They act like we sold them sh@t tires and can't accept that they made a bad decision to put the new ones up front with crap ones on the rear. People... I tell ya.
Steve Gibson. I think you have found the problem. It looks to me that one of the front tyres was fitted wrong, the tread patterns were not mirror images, on one the outer ribs faced forward and on the other they faced backwards. I would expect that to affect braking quite seriously, as it indeed did.
Hi Scotty, the same idea you mentioned exists here in Scotland regarding tyres with the greater tread depth being on the rear; regardless of FWD, RWD, AWD or 4x4. Being an advanced automotive engineer & prohibition officer I can understand the theory with regard to less chance of oversteer during cornering on a wet road surface (it rains a lot here!) given that the greater tread depth on the rear will disperse water quicker, thus less chance of going sideways into a tree or any other immovable object :-( I'm not a mechanic, I work for local Government vehicle enforcement and this has been debated over here for God knows how long now. With my own car I do exactly the same as you; rotate the wheels but mostly for the cost implications so as they all get even wear. I love your channel and keep it up.
I had a car few cars that would shake when braking at high speeds, or kind of shudder if that makes sense. Rotors were wearing unevenly and had grooves in them. new rotors and pads and was good to go!
wholeNwon I’ve had two low mileage ventilated discs crack internally separating each working side locally creating a bump. Can only tell by ringing the disc. Another disc split on the braking surface, that was easy to see. Most frequently strange feel is broken belting in the tyre, so swapping front back is a good test. Tyres have manufacturing date stamp, the grip goes down around 5 years old, so strongly consider changing, regardless of tread wear.
@@jimwoods9551 To be honest, I've never heard of the problem, esp. on different rotors. When you replaced them, did you check the lug nuts' torque? Were they factory rotors or replacements from the same maker? Google for similar issues others might have had concerning them? As to aging effects on tires, it's somewhat climate-dependent. In my area, I would go 10 years unless unusual wear, cracking, etc. were detected. I've had only one tire slip a belt and another shred a steel belt internally many years before. That was impressive.
That putting the new tires on the back thing has been driving me nuts since they implemented it & does not pass the logic test on front wheel drive cars. So thankful for your honesty in this money greedy world.
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Happy New Year!! Scotty
@Chuck i have a 2011 journey, sunday-driver with 21k, original show-room tires with a ton of tread. take of your car, it takes care of you!
Good stuff here 👍🔧
Wouldn't the wear indicate that the wheels have and toe out
I’ve been driving 46 years and have always put my best tyres on the front for steering and breaking... cheers Scotty
Now you’ve been a mechanic for 53 years.
It's still 52 because he started saying 52 fairly recently
I think the year moves up every October.
Scotty will be a mechanic for 52 years forever.
Legend for ever 😄
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That’s how people become millionaires!
This is why i love scotty. explanation was on point and also told us how random auto shops could trick u with un-needed part changes.
When I brake hard I get that horrible noise, its my wife screaming !!!!!!!!!
Rotate her to the back
No Problem,let your wive driving
lol my wife some times screams just for no reason at all now were both doing it lol
your wife obviously needs re gouging
I understand that the whole "better tires in rear" thing came from a lawsuit where someone spun out on a curve. The lawyers got a settlement from the shop that put the better tires in front, "causing the accident." So, shops put the better tires in the rear because the lawyers have decreed it. I have had to sign a waver to get my better tires placed up front. [I buy 4 tires at once, rotate them as appropriate.]
SCOTTY DID NOT ROTATE THOSE TIRES PROPERLY, NOT BACK TO FRONT.
TIRES TO WEAR EVENLY THEY GO RL=FR, FR =RL, RR=FL, FL=RR THATS THE PROPER WAY, SO YOUR TIRE WEAR EVENLY!!!! THIS HAS BEEN THE RULE FOR
OVER 100 YEARS!!! THEIR IS NO BACK TO FRONT RULE. 2/32'S IS THE
MINIMUM TREAD RULE(ITS IN YOUR STATE'S DRIVERS HAND BOOK!!)G
ROTATE SPRING/FALL. 2 TIMES PER YEAR.
Scotty: Modern cars are complicated machines.
Scotty: This car has hub caps. It's dinosaur technology.
Toyotas are pretty outdated. That's why they are reliable.
+paulparoma ABS, ECU, TCU are all over 30 years old.
+paulparoma So what's your point then?
Knock-off wheels are dinosaur technology.
Nothing tech about hubcaps
Scotty, for what it's worth, thanks for all the info and help you've provided all of us and Happy New year!
gov had racers test frt,rear and awd with better tires at either end. rear spin was what stopped all three. gov tells all put best in back
Great video Scotty. Yes, rotating the tires every 3,000M (5,000km) is going to do wonder to prolonging the life of the tires and making the vehicle ride better. And I agree with you: why the heck would you put the new tires on the rear of a front-wheel drive vehicle. Makes no sense!! Good mechanic story. I had a squeal in the front of my 98 Honda CRV. Took it to my mechanic. It was a stone behind the dust plate on the front brakes. He didn't charge me. Thanks for the great information. All the best, Cheers Rick
Well if your vehicle has a lot of oversteer and you're driving in a snow storm, you may find out why.
I've seen people spin out on the highway from having the bald tires in the back.
"You can see only one side of the car at a time so who cares". That made me laugh. Love it.
I read this before watching the video and didn't really get it. But while watching the video it all makes sense now. Classic Scotty line.
I've had that tire argument. Those rear tires on most cars are just hanging around back there keeping the rear end from dragging on the ground... Heck I used to have them put the best tires on the front of my rear drive cars, because the front is pointing the car around and taking most of the brake loading. I think "We put the best tires on the rear" is just so they can sell you the other pair sooner for the front, or get you to bring it in to find the shimmy or whatever.
One other thing that can affect your braking/steering a bit; if you had a leak and patched it with that flat fixer goop, it can possibly put that tire a bit out of balance. Not much but it doesn't take much on a lot of cars.
I run a tire shop and I always say best tires in the front regardless and probably one of the most honest mechanics here that’s why they keep coming back
YOU SHOULD ROTATE THEIR TIRES, INSTEAD OF JUST SWAPPING.
In the North on Icy or Wet roads you want the better tires on the rear. My neighbor is a tow truck driver and has been for 35+ years and the people that put better tires on the front are the ones totaling their car because the car spins out due to lack of rear traction causing it to fish tail. When the back comes around there is nothing you can do because the front has too much traction. Most of the weight in any vehicle is in the front over the front wheels so yeah you might not get up to speed as fast but when you hit the brakes the good rear tires will still stop straight by pulling the rear straight.
I had a similar issue with my Snow tires. they would slip more than usual. I. had put the “Better” tires on the rear but spent the whole season spinning on takeoff. Next season I move put the good tires on the front. No more spinning and no fishtailing unless I used the parking brake.
Nonsense
You always want the better tyres on the front as this does all the steering and most of the braking, after that people just need to learn to drive. The Back will follow the front if vehicle is handled correctly.
@@kiwidiesel5071 Not with front wheel drive cars, the rear end will act like it's on ice....
What about hydroplaning. Worn front tires will cause you to hydroplaning when the tires turn into skies when roads are full of water. In the South we have more flooded streets then icy streets
Swapping front tires with back ones to fix a problem is a clever and simple tip, thanks Scotty!
SCOTTY DID NOT ROTATE THOSE TIRES PROPERLY, NOT BACK TO FRONT.
TIRES TO WEAR EVENLY THEY GO RL=FR, FR =RL, RR=FL, FL=RR THATS THE PROPER WAY, SO YOUR TIRE WEAR EVENLY!!!!
@@computerpro123abc wow cool
Happy New Year Scotty! 2020
I love all your vids.
May God continue to bless you and show you His love everyday.
You're absolutely right. A tire shop should not dictate where you want your new tires. The reason they want the newest tires on the rear is so the rear doesn't wash out in foul weather causing someone to lose control. It's promoted as safety but I personally think they want you to buy four instead of two. Btw I installed tires for over 10 years.
Long live the Scotty!!!
Thanks Scotty. I bought my first front wheel drive car in 1981, and noticed the physics of driving changed, and I had to rethink everything I knew in the past about driving. Driving habits were easy to relearn, but maintenance was a learning experience. Every other oil change balance and rotate tires. Rear tires straight forward, R/front to L/rear, and L/front to L/ rear. 90% of tire related problems resolved.
Except now you have 2 tires on your left rear. That I'd like to see...lol
I've got no problem swapping tyres around - just be aware of any directional indicators on tyres - some can only be mounted in one direction
I think all winter tires have rotation arrow, at least in my country
Sheppy 1 facts
And a great point
RAV 4, 2008, 180K, old car, umm- screeeech! Haha, Luv Ya Scotty! got a 2004 Envoy with 194K on it, and I've only had to replace: CAT(under warranty), still going strong... water pump(a real pain), did the thermostat for good measure... cruise control sensor(helper broke it), front rotors(finally), back still just BARELY spec out, & brake pads, obviously. YOU have helped me so much, and I do every prevent-maintenance thing you tell me. Also: on a side note, I had the same problem in this video and EVEN tho I got a 4WD, I just put the BACK on the FRONT, and... Majick! Thanks for all you do, and a "REVVIN" Good New Year To YOU"!!!
I’m sure most people know this but to get the most life out of your tires, we have them rotated every oil change which could be between 5 to 7000 miles, plus you can feel the difference in handling.
Anything below 4/32nds of tread you want the better tires on the rear to prevent hydroplaning. But if you do replace 2 and the other 2 are still in decent shape then it’s still safe to leave the new tires on the front.
4/32 is the point where you need to replace the tires
Lemonbarde correct
I always finish my lug nuts with a torque wrench. You can find torque specifications in manual.
I just use my breaker bar and not go nuts on it
By a cheap torque wrench at HF and keep in car. Cheap insurance. Always recheck torque when checking air pressure cold.
@@davidg5704 il do that in the future 😄 i check them oncr a while n keep the breaker bar in trunk
Too many people don't understand how important it is to follow that simple and easy piece of advice.
Good advice. It's good to check them regularly, too.
No one denies that newer tyres perform better at the front. The point is, come an emergency situation Scottie’s customers will have oversteering rather than understeering cars. The average driver can control and understand understeer better than oversteer. Those are the facts pure and simple. And Scottie can get as mad as he likes but that’s the reason for most companies ‘nonsense’ policy, as he calls it.
I work in a car garage in the UK when we are putting new tyres on a car they go to the front if its front wheel drive or rear if its RWD. Its a known fact that if you put the new ones on the rear and the worn ones on the front of a FWD car they'll wear out quicker same with new to front on RWD cars, that way these other garages around can sell them new tyres quicker. Personally I think that's wrong when other garages do that squeezing people dry years ago it happened to my mother when I was a kid. Always be honest and helpful they come back to you then s'what we do and people keep coming they appreciate honesty
I believe honesty will go along way.
I was once told at a tire place the the wobble I felt in the front of my FWD car was due to an out of round tire and they tried to sell me a set of new tires for the front. I told them just to put the front set in the back and the back set in the front. The wobble went away.
Yeah if it's out of shape/stepping on the front can put them onto the rear so they'll last a bit longer eventually will start to be able to hear them howling like a wheel bearing but thats if they get real bad they all need changing at some point like anything does
Scotty, when rotating tires and having to lift the tires up to get them onto the lugs, I use a shovel to raise/lever the tires upward a few inches to slip them onto the lugs. Put the shovel blade under the tire and push down on the handle and the tire raises up into place with little effort. It works. There’s a new video you should make, “how to change a tire with a shovel.”
I had a similar problem with my 1998 V6 Camry at around 180,000 miles. Rotating tires seemed to help for a short time then the problem came back. Replacing the front calipers fixed it. One caliper was sticky causing the car to pull erratically under high-speed heavy braking.
That was my thought. And do a 4 wheel alignment
On every vehicle I've ever driven, regardless of where the drive wheels were, the front tires wore quicker than the rear tires. It's because the front tires support the heaviest part of the car (the engine), not to mention they bear most of the stress from turning and maneuvering the car.
Wow... I learn something new everyday! Thanks Scotty!
First video for me for the New Year and the new Decade!! Best start ever on youtube!
Lots of people are undeserving of their success. Not Scotty. This guy is clearly one of the most genuine, informative, and likeable person UA-cam. Keep-up the good work Mr. Kilmer!
Loved this video... It makes a lot sense when he explained it and how he fixed it!
I just put new tires on my 1997 ES300 Lexus (112,000 miles) and it dramatically improved the steering response. I am still shocked, because the old tires had at least 1/4 inch of tread. The only reason I replaced the front tires is that one failed, probably due to a puncture. Now it drives like a new car, with easy steering.
New tires make a huge difference in ride, noise, and handling. I start shopping tires when the tread is still at 50%
I love having new tires
@@rays7437 Yeah, I learned that. I just hate spending much money on a 22 year-old car. The new tires are guaranteed for 55,000 miles, which is 10 years of driving at our current rate.
@@HSMiyamoto
I can understand that. But be aware tires have a 7 year maximum life. After that they are not considered safe to use.
@@rays7437 Wow, I didn't know that. I am going to ask mom if she remembers getting new tires over the last 22 years. The spare was the original until last week, so that suggests the front tire just wore out.
@@HSMiyamoto
In the U.S. the tire manufacturers are required by law to put a date code on the sidewall of the tires so that you can tell how old they are. Sometimes the code on on the outer sidewall, sometimes the inner. It usually is 4 numbers such as 0619 which would mean that the tire was made on the 6th week of 2019
The mechanic is gonna want to sell you struts because their district manager is breathing down their neck
Never use a chain shop.
One great thing about buying tires at Costco is that they offer free rotations and rebalance the tires. Another chain, Discount Tire also known as America's Tire (or something like that) offers free rotations and flat repair.
Most tires places do. I take advantage of it
I rotate my Tire’s on my 2013 F-150 every other oil change.
I rotate my tires every time I drive. LOL.
Jack Sroka 🤣🤣
I don't rotate my tires at all because I don't have a car. 🤣😂🤣
Yep..I always do that, it's common sense....I thought.
I can’t rotate my tires because I have wider rear tires, and I have an asymmetrical tread.
I had the same problem, and the mechanic told me it was my tires. Thank God for a honest mechanic.
I could be a cord break on the tire.... Then you should buy a new one, not put it in the back.
Some good advice scotty as always
This video should be subtitled, "How to think and then proceed in a logical, orderly fashion." Nice work as always, Scotty. Thank you!
Happy New Year and prayers for a blessed year !🎉🎊🎈🙏🏼🙏🏼🎈🎈
This is what I've been taught (and makes the most sense) when it comes to tire placement.
Front Wheel Drive - new tires go on the front
Rear Wheel Drive - new tires go on the back
4 Wheel Drive - safest bet is to have 4 new tires.
No problem if you're gonna tell me I'm wrong, but please tell my WHY.
Thanks for sharing Scotty.
If we all lived near you, you would be working on so many cars, you would have no time to make all these wonderful videos. ;-)
The reason why companies put good tires on the rear is for liability reasons. If you have less traction in the front, you get understeer (car plowing) which isn't scary or uncontrollable for average drivers. If you put good tires on the front, the front will have more traction during cornering and you can get into oversteer (fish tailing/spinning out) which can be quite scary/uncontrollable for an average commuting driver. Keep the tires even with normal rotation for best results :)
The idea of "best tires in the rear" isn't only for RWD vehicles, as some suggested. I live in a cold weather state and the reason they put the good tires on the rear is to stop conditions of over steer. Your average driver isn't cornering, planning for their rear end to slide out behind them. They don't drift often. Tire people figure that under steer and a lack of acceleration will make it obvious to the driver that they need to proceed cautiously.
But if you are aware that your rear end could slide out from behind you, you might prefer the better braking, over steer, and acceleration. 🤷♂️
No mater what, it is always better put better tires in front. Because it`s much easier to control or stabilize your car when rear is sliding if front of your car is sliding so its gonna be much harder to regain control.
@@wilkas159, to each their own. I disagree. I think under steer is an easier condition to recover from than over steer. But you can put your tires wherever you want.
@@djseismic let's aggre that we are both right. You think that under steer is easier and think that over steer is easier. Looks like it depends on driver.
Josh is right, when it comes to snowy/icy conditions.
Otherwise Scotty is right regarding more control over breaks (60%) in the front.
I would rather be drifting around a corner than hitting a tree or pole on the corner because the car can't pull me around the corner becasue I have no steering!
Yes Scotty, it is better to put new tires in the back if your only buying 2 if you live somewhere it rains a lot those new tires will prevent your car from hydroplaning on the interstate and causing an accident. Putting them on the front will of course give you better traction and improved handling, but the older tires in the back will not hold on as long and will cause you to spin out if its wet or snowy out. But ultimately its better to have 4 good well taken care of tires so you know the threshold of your vehicle so you can adjust accordingly to the road conditions.
Scotty really do be helping us tho
I`m an old disabled mechanic and agree fully. In the old days many would put 28 psi in the front tires and 32psi in the back and i always told them they are nuts because the back of the car or pickup is empty and the front has an engine that weighs a few hundred pounds, and that when you are stopping the weight shifts to the front and that will hundreds of times more weight because of speed than the actual weight of the car at rest. I run even air and max stated on the tires.
I had a front brake wobble under strong braking which was alleviated for a while by rotating tires and Properly torqued lug nuts.
For a while means? It came back?
Please define "properly torqued", in that case.
@@stephenarling1667
What could he mean other than proper spec (lbs-ft) and tightening sequence?
@@RalphSampson... Tightening with anti-seize or grease on threads will have a different effect than tightening with clean, dry threads as specified
by many automakers. Shouldn't warp rotors, but could.
@@stephenarling1667
I always put a spot of grease on them just so they're easier to remove next time.
I see your point. If the threads are dry, there will be more resistance causing more torque needed to turn a given distance. I never really thought about that. That's another good reason for lubrication. Good point. Thanks.
5:05 as a tech working at Discount Tire, we always put brand new tires on the back because lowers the chance of hydroplaning in wet conditions. After they are “broken in” it doesn’t really matter to us. If the customer wants them on the front though, we put them on the front. It’s a stupid “policy” to not do what the customer asked for (if it’s within reason, of course).
Definitely true, put new front tires on the Honda and the wheel spin went away
tires get old and hard i guess. but shouldnt drive them past 6 years they could come apart on the highway
Watch out for oversteer
@@dinobot_maximize I've experienced that a couple times buying from used tire shops when I had no knowledge of tires. Never again. New tires forever...
@@rgroove1970 If it oversteers, get used to it and compensate. How do you think all of those old 356C drivers won all those races?
@@stephenarling1667 You're mom or grandma ain't a racecar driver though. x D
Good information, I love those Rav 4s. Won't the problem happen again when the fronts wear down, so does this mean the vehicle always needs new tires on the front, or do you rotate to prevent the problem. What does the future hold for fixing the problem in the long run. Thanks, Always watching your videos's, there's no one better. Thanks Scotty.
Love you Scotty! 🌹🌹🌹
Finally a mechanic that understands, put the freshest tires on the FRONT. I get so angry with the people at Town Fair Tire here in Connecticut. They always put the freshest tires on the rear so I go back inside and demand they take the car back and put the tires in the CORRECT place!
My biggest problem with tires is GETTING THE KNUCKLE HEADS at the tire shop to balance them properly! Sometimes have to go back 2-4 times within a few days!
😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖
Glad to see you kept the tyres on the same side of the car. Swapping sides means the tyre rotates in the opposite direction and wears faster. Good on you.
I feel like one of these days we are going to wake up and Scotty will have some video where he is like “I bought a bmw” and he actually does
And instead of a denim jacket, he has an Armani suit, several gold chains and a pinky ring!🤣
He might buy a BMW someday !
An old BMW Motorcycle !
Reliable as the Sunrise ..
If Scotty says that, you will still be sleeping and having a nightmare.
Francis Schuessler so he can show everyone why they’re garbage.
Scotty is right. I worked tires for 15 years. Only time it's advisable to put the better tires on the rear of a FWD is when you are only putting two studded snow tires. Otherwise the rear end will try to pass the front while breaking or cornering on the real slick stuff. The rear end is the anchor.
Best sounding voice on youtube!
Better @ .75 speed
It's ASMR
Great Scott!! Just Rotate The Tires!! Very Simple Solution!!👍👍
Happy new years Sr. Scotty very nice advices like always✌I have a jacket like yours it doesn't make me a mechanic but its pretty warm.
I love the comment about the different hubcaps. "You can only see one side at a time"😂😂😂
I learned to cross tires towards the drive axles, sorry guys everyone missed that one! I always jack the whole car up and rotate that way. On a front wheel drive car, rear tires cross to front and front can come straight back. No crossing needed.
I have our cars tires rotated & balanced every oil change (every 5K miles). just part of Good Maintenance
Agreed. I always get "The Works" package at Ford because it's included and the cost is only about $12 more than doing it myself
onen thats overkill and a total waste of cash and never criss cross the rotation like front right to rear left. read how many miles your tires are rated for, once your at half that milage, put rear tires tires to the front and front to back,don't criss cross. check air pressure, Do the alignment and balance.
@John Smith when you criss cross, you are reversing the Direction that the tire was originally going in and when you do that, it can cause unwanted vibration. Its best to do front to back and back to front, half way of life of the tires. Plus they just want to take wheels off so they can try to sell you unnesesary brake jobs and other things. Never go to cheapie oil change places that state they will do all this extra work for free, its not free. They just want to sell sell sell.
@John Smith
It is something they did before the modern tire era. It can actually cause tire problems
Had some guys at a tire store insist about putting two new tires on the back just a month ago. I told them if they knew physics, they'd put the new tires on the front of a FWD car and insisted they do so on mine, which they did. No clue where that bright idea of putting them on the back came from, but at least Scotty agrees with me... lol.
I am so glad Scotty said that's a load of "baloney." There were small children in the room.
I work at firestone, the reason why we put the better tires in the rear is because supposedly if you have a blow out in the front tires youll have more control
Which is true but most people will panic and over-correct anyway
Whenever Scotty Kilmers drops the new videos I pack up the Hash Pipe with Rocky and get all schmoked up.
Scotty, you are one of the greats of UA-cam. I have learned so much from you. Thank you.
The car's front is raised on a jack - no wonder it's like losing control when driving this around ;)
RAV4's have a jacking-point in the front placed there by Toyota and is for jacking up the front of the car (says so in the manual)
That's gotta hurt the acceleration as well on a FWD.
@@hughbrackett343 Made my day :)
@@hughbrackett343 Maybe better fuel economy though because there is no load on the front tires.
Hi Scotty, I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one who has always put new tires in the front with my front wheel drive. There is a place in my town that puts them in the rear, and if I had known that I would have never patronized their business. Thanks for all your videos!
Take a shot every time Scotty says “particular”.
Festus Bro you must be hammered!
I totally agree on the tires issue, I always put the new ones on the front.
just bought 2 new tires at walmart.they had a sign recommending putting them on the back.i wanted them on the front of my front wheel drive 1998 camry and they made me sign a form denying them responsibility if anything would go wrong.
They "made" you do it?
@@ajossi well they wouldnt put the tires on the front if he didnt sign..so yeah read closely
Walmart garage stay away Happy New year
You are safer with your best tires in the rear if youre in a wet climate.
Lots of accidents happen from hydroplaning. You want better traction in the rear.
@@NinjaKirk wrong on front wheel drive cars.
The reason for having the better tires in the back is due to that a loss of control will more likely result in a front collision. All cars are constructed to stand against more force in front than on the side. Before someone hammers down the reply “I want control and I can steer my way back to safety when my back comes sliding”, yeh you surely can ‘cause you’re practically a nascar driver. But the grinding sound you would hear when turning you steering wheel in the other direction is the upcoming traffic slamming into your door, ‘cause you are rarely the only one on the road. If your car wabbles due to bad tires when breaking at high speed, buy new tires!!!
@ Scotty Kilmer could it be what they’re actually talking about is the ABS kicking off and on and thinking that is their problem or could there be a problem as well with the ABS
Hadley CapeBreton That’s what I’m thinking. It’s scary at first to feel the ABS kick in even when you’re car is braking in a very controlled fashion.
Thanks Scotty for talking about this.
Happy new year Scotty!!!!!🎉
Happy New Year!
happy new year to you all from Croatia
I used to watch this guy every Saturday morning on khou. He would answer car questions it was great.
"Best tires on the back" goes back to the days of rear wheel drive behemoths.
*It's actually SAFETY Issue.* If you have more traction in the back (newer tires), worst thing that can happen is that your car will understeer (plow head on) to a pole, in a snow storm. 💃👀🙋 But if you put the Newer tire in the front, when you have balding tire in the back, you will spinout (oversteer) in to a Deep ditch like James Caan in the Movie MISERY, and be kidnapped and have your both of your ankles hobbled,,, 😱😵😨😭🙏
Well Done Scotty ..... Carry on Sir Kilmer .......
I cross rotate my tires. Front tires to rear, and rear tires crossed to front. I read my manual.
Hopefully you don't have directional tires.
Ray S - Think he reads his manual
@@rays7437 I don't have directional tires.
@@bobbylh55 👍
@@falcunt
Owner's manuals all show that tires are to be cross-rotated. Even on cars that have directional or different sized rear tires. I see a few cases per year where we have to re-rotate a customer's tires because they develop handling, ride, or noise problems because they had their tires cross-rotated somewhere. Some times the book is wrong because it's too generic
Every 'Other' Oil Change (3k miles) on our 2007 XLE Camry I have the tires rotated.
Around 5k to 6k miles and our tires wear real well that way.
And I always buy Michelin now.
I have never ever had a customer with a Michelin tire problem. I always recommend them if they can afford it
@@rays7437 The tires in the video were Michelin. They looked to NOT have been rotated very well. Hence the 'Tire Problem'.
@@OldDood
Agreed. And by the weird wear pattern, I would say that it could benefit from new struts and shocks, along with an alignment.
There is also way more weight on the front, assuming that’s where the engine is.
Scotty's videos are addicting especially when on pain meds. Lol..... GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS!!!
I always put new tyres in the front & I replace the rear tyres by the tyres which used in the front earlier.
Even the car is rear wheel drive.
My dad taught me that many years before front wheel drive was a thing.
He said it was best to have the best tires up front because that's where you run over things.
I really hope you have a torque wrench Scotty. Our 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk had tires put on it at the dealership and they didn’t use a torque wrench and the lug bolt was sheered off after 2,000 miles on the vehicle! It was the front left and we came to a screeching holt going about 80-0 via the rotor dragging on the 5 lane highway. It’s for everyone’s safety Scotty
That's the way I learned it, too. Most of the wear is on the FRONT tires - company doofuses!
Especially with front wheel drive, they also round off because of steering wear. RWD usually wore pretty even with fronts unless doing donuts and burnouts but steering tyres always round off.
Your right! These "tire specialist" alot of times don't know what they are talking about. Theya why people use to(don't know if they still do, they do their oil and then preform their "tire rotation". Hell shops use to ask you if you wanted your tires rotated which was recommended when you got your oil changed. Either that or after your second oil changed they'd REALLY recommended it.
I would have had the tires rebalanced and checked the alignment after rotating them. That outside wear bothers me.
Outside wear? I believe Scotty just explained why that is. You must work for a stealership!!!
@@ryanw.5684 He actually didn't explain and James is right.
There’s still some worn components... I replace most of the moving parts in a front end at about 120k. The difference always blows me away.
@@adcolt54 Actually if you watch the video you will see that the front tires are worn all the way across... NOT just on the side... Schneider tire in Marne , MI... If buying a new set of tires will rotate your tires every 1000 miles at no charge... Just to give you an idea of tire wear...
Outside wear because of road camber to help highways drain water. I should know in the
Uk we have loads of camber on the roads
They do that because if you corner, the back is more likely to swing out, and since the back of the car controls the vehicle, you lose the control. Its seems stupid but it actually makes sense(putting the new tires in the rear).
Scotty you've been a mechanic for 50+ years, use a torque wrench on those Lugs
Torque wrench isn't always needed as long as they're good and tight with a power tool. unless you're using a very weak power tool or you're manually turning by hand, them yes torque wrench. Also most of not all power impact wrenches has adjustments to not overpower the tightness.
Lug nuts should be always properly torque , if they are under torque they will come loose or if they are over torque you can mess up the lug stud threads and /or cause brake rotors problems ...... take it from my 4 year college + 10 year experience at a real shop not my house garage
Just thought I would explain the 2 tire issue, seeing as the shop you went to couldnt be bothered to do so. The purpose of putting the new tires to the rear is not to keep your front wheel drive car from spinning on take off. The rear of the car is the light end and the lower tread tires will preform worse on the lighter rear end compared to the new tires on the heavier front end, thus increasing the possibility of hydroplaning (which actually starts in the rear most of the time) or spin outs on snow/ice especially while cornering.
The best solution would have been to replace all 4 at the same time and do regular rotations to keep the tread wear within 2/32's of eachother at all times, thus eliminating both problems.
At the shop I work in ,we would have recommended 2 new tires put to the rear (with full explanation) , but you would have had the option to sign a waiver and not follow the recommendation. We would have replaced the worn front tires as requested, then balanced and rotated the older rears to the front and the new to the rear had you chose to accept the recommendation.
It actually is for *"Safety."* 💙🙋👍 If you have more traction in the back (newer tires), worst thing that can happen is that your car will understeer (plow head on) to a pole, in a snow storm. 💃👀🙋 But if you put the Newer tire in the front, when you have balding tire in the back, you will spinout (oversteer) in to a Deep ditch like James Caan in the Movie MISERY, and be kidnapped and have your both of your ankles hobbled,,, 😱😵😨😭🙏 ,,,, 😂😂😂
Hi EricBee Fpv: Best advice in a nutshell. Pity that so many of the dumba***es driving around don’t accept this advice. You (and your tire shop) obviously know your safety codes!
@@iainmeteorscan1555 most don't, then want to come back and b@*ch when they spin out in rain or snow. They act like we sold them sh@t tires and can't accept that they made a bad decision to put the new ones up front with crap ones on the rear. People... I tell ya.
I waited the entire video to hear it needed front rotors lol.
EXACTLY. WHAT A WASTE OF 10 Minutes.
Scotty is still # 1 !!!!!!
Some tyres are directional so can only be swapped front /back
Steve Gibson.
I think you have found the problem.
It looks to me that one of the front tyres was fitted wrong, the tread patterns were not mirror images, on one the outer ribs faced forward and on the other they faced backwards. I would expect that to affect braking quite seriously, as it indeed did.
Hi Scotty, the same idea you mentioned exists here in Scotland regarding tyres with the greater tread depth being on the rear; regardless of FWD, RWD, AWD or 4x4.
Being an advanced automotive engineer & prohibition officer I can understand the theory with regard to less chance of oversteer during cornering on a wet road surface (it rains a lot here!) given that the greater tread depth on the rear will disperse water quicker, thus less chance of going sideways into a tree or any other immovable object :-(
I'm not a mechanic, I work for local Government vehicle enforcement and this has been debated over here for God knows how long now.
With my own car I do exactly the same as you; rotate the wheels but mostly for the cost implications so as they all get even wear.
I love your channel and keep it up.
I've had the steering wobble when braking at high speed. For me, it was missing/bad wheel weights or needing an alignment. 🛣️
Rotate tires and torque tires to spec.
I had a car few cars that would shake when braking at high speeds, or kind of shudder if that makes sense. Rotors were wearing unevenly and had grooves in them. new rotors and pads and was good to go!
@@ryanpatton1795 And WHY did they warped? Odds are that the lug nuts weren't torqued properly.
wholeNwon I’ve had two low mileage ventilated discs crack internally separating each working side locally creating a bump. Can only tell by ringing the disc. Another disc split on the braking surface, that was easy to see. Most frequently strange feel is broken belting in the tyre, so swapping front back is a good test. Tyres have manufacturing date stamp, the grip goes down around 5 years old, so strongly consider changing, regardless of tread wear.
@@jimwoods9551 To be honest, I've never heard of the problem, esp. on different rotors. When you replaced them, did you check the lug nuts' torque? Were they factory rotors or replacements from the same maker? Google for similar issues others might have had concerning them? As to aging effects on tires, it's somewhat climate-dependent. In my area, I would go 10 years unless unusual wear, cracking, etc. were detected. I've had only one tire slip a belt and another shred a steel belt internally many years before. That was impressive.
Scotty please don't retire people need the knowledge you provide.
I Scotty doesnt have a hangover if he's posting on New Year's day
That putting the new tires on the back thing has been driving me nuts since they implemented it & does not pass the logic test on front wheel drive cars. So thankful for your honesty in this money greedy world.