@ihateliberals For the record there are many members of the LGBT community who believe in God, G-d, or a multiplicity of G/gods. I think the question is whether a Christian God is the only one to be deemed acceptable.
An estimated 2500 religions currently exist upon this planet today, with endless contradicting views of just who/what constitutes god.....take your pick, as one is just as relavant as is another. My ex SIL, who took my side when I divorced her sister almost 20 years ago, is a Jehovah Witless, and actually believes..... when praying, IF you fail to address God by the name of Jehovah, he hears you NOT.....and consequently, ALL of your prayers are in vain. Of course, I, as an atheist for much of my 83 years, believe ALL prayers are a waste of time as there ISN'T any god. BHE
@@SabbatarianSundayer. Because she said there's no evidence on the matter either way. Therefore the rational position to take would be to not believe in god.
@@ultimateman55 I believe the correct conclusion from that is we don’t know if god exists or not. So the rational position being atheism here is completely wrong.
@@YourLocalRealista christian does not best represent humanity. Who represents muslims, hindus, and any other religious belief in the world? A single person's dogma has no place in representing all of humanity.
@@YourLocalRealist I completely disagree. The best person to represent humanity would be a person capable of describing humanity objectively. Only a skeptic and a scientist could do that. Faith is the suspension of skepticism. A religious person is going to have a perspective that is biased towards a particular belief system that not only lacks an empirical basis, but also ignores or shows prejudice against people of other belief systems which contradict their own. There are 8 billion people in the world, but no religion represents a majority of humans. There are 2.4 billion Christians, 1.9 billion Muslims, a billion Hindus, and 520 million Buddhists. There are an additional 3 billion other people of hundreds of different religions such as Judaism, Sikhism, Mormonism, Baháʼí Faith, Unitarian Universalists, Scientology, Native American spiritual beliefs, African mysticism, Voodoo, Wicca, and various other pagan beliefs. Not to mention all of the extinct religions that represented huge civilizations of the past such as the ancient Egyptian gods, the Greco-Roman pantheon, or Norse mythology. You also have the new school belief systems such as astrology, tarot cards, palm reading, crystal gazing, crystal healing, psychic abilities, and other paranormal beliefs, as well as thousands of cults worldwide. You cannot represent all of humanity by sending someone who is devoted to only ONE faith. That's not representing "humanity", it's representing a religion. If intelligent aliens were genuinely curious about human civilization, an anthropologist or a sociologist who could accurately describe these different belief systems objectively would be the best representative for humanity. Not a priest, rabbi, reverend, imam, monk, nun, or a religious minded politician who represents only one country. Unlike the character Ellie, I do believe that the question is relevant - but for a complete different reason. It's relevant because you want to weed out any candidates who have either irrational beliefs or biases which are inconsistent with the scientific method or objective standards of evidence. Only that type of person could represent humanity in an unbiased way.
A vast majority of humanity throughout history believes in the supernatural in one form or another. A representative has to represent the majority. Dr. Ellie cannot honestly represent us in that aspect. We are a species that believes.
@@august7535 i think youre missing the point. all of those groups you mentioned share the fundamental belief in the existence of one or more gods. they have much more in common with each other than with an atheist - and would be more representative of humanity as a whole
Johannes Kepler was very religious. He felt that the ultimate expression of faith was to do a scientific experiment because doing so, according to Kepler, was to communicate with whatever made nature. The result of the experiment was a supreme being answering. If there was discrepancy between experiment and scripture, Kepler would side with experiment for religious reasons.
Philip Nice points. I would add that prayer has a root problem in that it is the ultimate form of narcissism. Why would all the powers of the universe wish to pay attention to any one of us? Think of all the dictator complexes that come from it.
Too bad his contemporaries weren't very fond of such idea. Except that's an understatement. They hated that idea. They couldn't reconcile. They considered it heresy and persecuted Kepler.
I heard that melody while driving my car by the Caruso at North Point mall. Only once. And I called 99.X And the woman could not tell me which song it was. I was very sad at that time. I loved that mall and every Christmas I drove up there. Dreaming big. I needed a girlfriend. I felt so rejected. Year after year I looked out my window at Kingshouse Commons. At night. Looking at my filtrum. Amanda said I had the look. Looking at my reflection in car windows. Driving with the window half way down to feel the Fall air. Worried.
1:15 The religious guy's statement. Guy: "Dr. Arroway, 95% of the world's population believes in a supreme being in one form or another." Ellie: "In other words, 95% of humanity disbelieves in many different gods, just as I do." Guy: "Eh?" Ellie: "Look, you yourself disbelieve in Odin, Allah, Shiva, Zeus, Vishnu, Jupiter, the Great Spirit, etc. etc. Your colleague disbelieves in all gods but Vishnu. Mohammed over there disbelieves in all but Allah. I'm the only candidate who represents the disbeliefs of 95% of humanity, PLUS the disbeliefs of the other 5%. That's 100%. Let's see Drummond beat that!" Guy: "Uhhhhh..." So Ellie gets selected, is blown up when the machine is sabotaged, and Drummond ends up going. :-)
It's called "deus ex machina." I used to believe this movie was about the validity of skepticism, but it's really about the truthful paradigm that faith is very much a part of reality.... it's intrinsic, subjective, and personal; whereas empiricism is extrinsic, objective, and impersonal. Both are very real aspects of truth. The story of Contact is reconciling the two. That is true religion.
@@why-even-try-brotendo now that’s a gas. It takes just as much blind faith to reach the conclusions of atheism as it does that of a devout believer. Scientifically, her initial response of lack of data was accurate, but she was pushed because she didn’t actually believe that. She was, in fact, dodging the question of her true belief, a belief built on faith, because scientifically, the lack of data does not disprove it. If she go early believed that she hadn’t an opinion one way or the other, she would have stated as much.
@@Sorel366 No it was absolutely fucking not. If you genuinely believe this then you are a retard. That was NOT the point of this scene or movie. There is a reason why they include the 18 hours of TV static line at the end. To prove that in the face of all this insane shot in the dark sounding nonsense that Ellie just said to the board, it wasn’t blind faith. What happened to her is provable and evidence that it happened exists. Don’t be stupid. Use your brain
This was about Dr Arroway achieving her dream in science and her inspiration to others. It was totally wrong for Dr Arroway on be put on the spot like that. Individualism is about carving your own path, not following a crowd. You can't please everyone so therefore discrimination is not the key to human progress in the sciences.
You have a good point. But, just because religions have good intentions does not mean they wont fight with another because they wont believe in the same thing. And please could I have a list of those positive leaders?
Yes. And I've read Dawkins and I respect Feynman's way of "I'm not afraid of not knowing things, of being lost in the universe". Everyone has a right to their opinion. But they don't convince me.
Most wars are caused the misinterpretation of religion for the belief in the positive progression in ones own life. Usually the core principles of religion involve a peaceful message.
Accept that if life evolved greek mythology would be true, if we came from the goballygoop, there would be mermaids, half man half horse, it would be chaotic mess..Creation has intelligence in it, there would never be controlled chaos...one widespread falsehood implies humans have no purpose in life..It obscures a Beautiful Organic Ceation of fire & ice from The True God who created everything... For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.Is.45:18
There was no need to have faith in Dr. Arroway scientific proof was available. Religious faith has never had any evidence to support its claims but she did in the form of the 18 hour recording of static. Knowing the truth the government withheld information just like religious organizations do, maintaining their power by lying to the faithful.
@@SabbatarianSundayer. But thats the point he was making! There are many types of religions and gods around the World which percieve things very differently. The Adam & Eve story is a western interpretation suited to a western understanding of subjects generically grouped under the term 'religion'. Adam and Eve are usually portrayed as very western looking, clearly to fit the western persona and be more identifiable and therefore acceptable to western peoples. That doesn't make it the one and one only correct interpretation in every part of the World, it just makes it one of many in the entire World. But you would really need to speak with religionists to argue that point.
Arguing is good, it brings insight from anther person's perspective. A sheep has a Shepard, as there are no beliefs of non-believers, no preachers, no holy books ~ its impossible to justify you'r position blindly. If a self-enlightened believer went out of their way to find their own religion, despite objections from their friends and family, I would have as much respect for them as any other leader. Some beliefs are not worth tolerating, debate is a hell of a lot better than holy war.
Allow me to quote the late George Carlin. "Children are like everyone else...a few winners, A WHOLE LOT OF LOSERS!" In others words, if 95% of the population are preoccupied with being sheep, then the remaining 5% are unique for not allowing themselves to be duped by nonsense & superstition. Thus, becoming leaders in their own right.
Well before Steven Hawkins died, he said he believed time had always existed, just in a different way! But I don't believe time as we know it and that we measure everything with has always existed at all! And of course it will end. The clock will stop going in circles and we will spin out into something that has always existed. Eternity! It's hard to maintain an open mind if you already think you know everything! There are a few things we all know for sure. But the big answers we are still struggling with. Some of us anyway!
Sure. Meanwhile, you could read Bentov's "Stalking the wild pendulum", Jung's "Archetypes and the collective unconsciousness" or "Uncommon Wisdom" by Fritjof Capra. One was a rocket scientist, the other a doctor and the last a theoretical physicist.
If this were to happen today there would be a big backlash because every american has the right to religious freedom and not getting discriminated for it.
So many atheists talk about "belief without evidence". That is the essence of belief. If there was evidence, it would not be called belief. Secondly, from a scientific point of view, there is every good reason to have spiritual faith. I (as a physics student) find it highly unlikely, that the universe and origins of existence can be comprehended by the human mind. I have no proof of a God. But I have reason to believe in Him :) But that's my opinion.
Romantic Scene: Palmer asks this question, knowing the answer, because he did not want her to go on the trip because it would lose the chance to stay with her (so beautiful).
we are only the most intelligent species on the planet and most likely the universe. I hope I'm wrong with the last part but all evidence points towards our sun, solar system planet layout and earth being extremely rare. We landed people on the moon and invented the hydrogen bomb but you sit their in all seriousness and call us a joke. Religion is part of human beings and without it we would never have come this far. By religion I include atheists also because we are programmed to worship something, be it science, god or whatever else there is to idolize. I believe in facts. Nothing more and nothing less and all the facts point towards human beings being exceptional!
I want to read this book. I’d be willing to bet that Carl Sagan, as the ardent atheist that he was, didn’t actually write this. What sickens me most about this scene is that Palmer asked her if she believes in God, not a god, and after she so appropriately asked what the relevance of the question was someone else jumped in and changed the question to whether she believes in a supreme being in one form or another, which suggested any god…the Hindu god Shiva, for example. So the question remained unclear, and her concern over the relevance of the question was never answered either. Ninety-five percent of the world believing in some form of higher power does not make the question relevant, it makes it discriminatory towards the five percent that don’t. Much less people believe in a higher power today. Palmer was discriminatory in suggesting that what somebody believes in should have weight in the determination over whether or not that person should get selected. In reality she never would’ve taken him back after that. It’s a very sad scene. And if that ninety-five percent figure was accurate back then it’s embarrassing to think that many people believed in fairytales. It’s not a mass delusion either, as Palmer inaccurately suggested, but a mass misrepresentation of reality that isn’t based on any credible evidence whatsoever, and is contrary to the laws of nature. (Although people can still choose to continue having faith in the religions they were indoctrinated into, and shouldn’t be discriminated for such choice).
So the man that said "95% of the world's population believes in a supreme being. I think that makes the question more than relevant," is speaking for 95% of the world's population. No one likes anyone else speaking for them unless they want them to. I do agree that there are a lot of religious people in the world, but I can bet 100% that they would not choose a scientific man like him to speak for them. And even if they did, humanity as a whole chose the wrong profession as Ellie is a "Scientist," tasked on bring back "physical" proof and not a "Pastor, Priest, Bishop..and so forth." But then again, who believes in anyone these days whether it's 1997 or 2017 or 2107? What humanity should have done was to try to send both a scientist and a religious person to collaborate their experiences to one another and to back each other up. That's how I view this scene.
No, they intentionally said God, as it referring to the 'one true Christian god' which is entirely inaccurate. 95% of the world isnt christian. If they want someone to represent god, who represents the muslims, hindus, and every other religion out there? Its absolute nonsense to put fictitious beliefs in the way of scientific discovery and the absolute best representation of humanity.
Exodus 35:2 "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." Why does the Holy Bible contain this passage?
The Mystics Dilemma... You can't convince someone of something you know to be true because there is no evidence they can comprehend or that might be sufficient for them...or Plato's Cave: One who recieved light and truth they cannot adequately communicate to others who are still locked in their limited perspective? And Dr Drumlin is the charlatan who gets what he wants by telling others what they want to hear though he knows it is a lie...until Karma gives him what he deserves. I love this movie. The Scientist becomes the Prophet and only then understands the dilemma.
Early in the movie, her boyfriend tells her about how he found God but she refuses to believe him because he can't physically prove it. At the end, she has an experience she knew she had but her camera didn't work so she couldn't physically prove it and no one in the courtroom believed her except her Christian boyfriend. You want proof of God? search him with all your heart and you'll get it, but good luck trying to convince those who refuse to believe in him about what you know!
If any atheist has to confront the political idiocy of people like this in their lives and they wish to gain the favor of the idiots without actually lying there is a way. Profess that you believe in Spinoza's God. "who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists" -Einstein.
Listen guys, do you want God to actually communicate back to you? There is a way, but its a rather simple method that most won't understand because its way too simple & the brain cannot comprehend such simplicity. Some people see dreams & visions from God, angels, etc, why? What makes them different, nothing really, its God who is the one who chooses who to speak to based on a few things that they do, if you want to know these message me please, simple as that, this is not a lie. Peace n love.
I don't believe you understood the moral of the story. In the end, when she tries to convince the Jury in the Testimonial interogation, they told her: "You're asking us to put our entire business in faith?". Since what she knows is the truth, others won't believe her cause they'd only look for solid evidence when in fact she did have an experience with Aliens, and when she left they're were others who did believe her, and had faith. Exact same thing goes with religion. It's a Philosophical book!
This reminds me of the DNC email leaks, when the DNC was going to try to push Bernie Sanders to answer this question in order to give Hillary Clinton Favoritism among the southern baptists
You may already have these on your shelf by try reading “The Believing Brain” Michael Shermer, it gives insight into how and why we may or may not be convinced of an argument even in the present of good evidence. “Breaking the spell” by Dan Dennett is another good book that explores the evolution of religious thinking and propagation.
From numba1drycellfan, divorce isnt aloud in most religions, and people who do homicide would decrease cause homicide mainly only happens when somebody has nothing to live for and dont care about others but religion gives people a reason to hold back. but you are correct about the scientest and actors but personally most of the actors that are athiest i dont really like =P but other people do so that part doesnt count". ..
Could gods be considered a hypothesis in Science? No, not even that, 'cause clearly gods are human projections, and what must be studied is the propagation of beliefs, that exists and has a bloody history. And the fact that gods are pampered, eternally in need of flattery in the form of prayers, rituals, adorations and sacrifices, and brutal in the punishments of non-believers, who must at the same time be feared and loved, is just one of the characteristics they received from the people's relationships with yours emperors, kings and queens, who were and are models for the construction of these folkloric characters called gods. gods are not an inexplicable phenomenon, but well explained by psychology, psychiatry, anthropology, sociology, etc. There's no point in the question "does god exist?", it's like asking if santa claus exists. god and santa claus are both well explained, 'cause they are equivalent folklores, and folklores are studied. It's useful to know why human beings like to believe in things that don't exist, why they like to escape reality to the point of believing even in "flatland", why they are so afraid of the limitations that reality imposes, such as finitude, why invent so many ways to "dodge" their deaths through beliefs in life after death, etc. Why all this fear of reality and life?
Perhaps we are all changed from the inside out. One at a time, so we know that this power is from God and not from us. :) Watch "Jodie Foster final hearing - from Contact 1997"
I'm talking about this that scene in particular, not about the evidence later on. The committee didn't believe her because she didn't have evidence, but we know what happened with her. Later on when she goes out, she see's people supporting her because they have faith in her EVEN THOUGH there was no evidence.
“If there’s a steady pay check in it, I’ll believe anything you say”
-Winston Zeddemore
Ghostbusters LOL
-Do you believe in god?
-Which one of them?
@I Hate Liberals what is god?
@ihateliberals For the record there are many members of the LGBT community who believe in God, G-d, or a multiplicity of G/gods. I think the question is whether a Christian God is the only one to be deemed acceptable.
the only one
An estimated 2500 religions currently exist upon this planet today, with endless contradicting views of just who/what constitutes god.....take your pick, as one is just as relavant as is another.
My ex SIL, who took my side when I divorced her sister almost 20 years ago, is a Jehovah Witless, and actually believes..... when praying, IF you fail to address God by the name of Jehovah, he hears you NOT.....and consequently, ALL of your prayers are in vain. Of course, I, as an atheist for much of my 83 years, believe ALL prayers are a waste of time as there ISN'T any god. BHE
Exactly!! Which one? Ahahah 😂😂
Probably my favourite fictional character ever, and Foster did a stellar job.
samez
Agree, period.
1:42 "I believe I've already answered that question.." - most intelligent answer ever !
Why; is that the most intelligent answer ever?
@@SabbatarianSundayer. Because she said there's no evidence on the matter either way. Therefore the rational position to take would be to not believe in god.
@@ultimateman55
And ignore amazing evidence; FOR "GOD".! I was just watching a video; about the evidence left behind, after Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@ultimateman55 there is an answer.. she only dont know it..
@@ultimateman55 I believe the correct conclusion from that is we don’t know if god exists or not. So the rational position being atheism here is completely wrong.
Ellie was discriminated because of her beliefs. I guess IMC is not an Equal Opportunity Employer.
On the contrary, she was not selected because she did not best represent humanity.
@@YourLocalRealista christian does not best represent humanity. Who represents muslims, hindus, and any other religious belief in the world? A single person's dogma has no place in representing all of humanity.
@@YourLocalRealist I completely disagree. The best person to represent humanity would be a person capable of describing humanity objectively. Only a skeptic and a scientist could do that. Faith is the suspension of skepticism. A religious person is going to have a perspective that is biased towards a particular belief system that not only lacks an empirical basis, but also ignores or shows prejudice against people of other belief systems which contradict their own.
There are 8 billion people in the world, but no religion represents a majority of humans. There are 2.4 billion Christians, 1.9 billion Muslims, a billion Hindus, and 520 million Buddhists. There are an additional 3 billion other people of hundreds of different religions such as Judaism, Sikhism, Mormonism, Baháʼí Faith, Unitarian Universalists, Scientology, Native American spiritual beliefs, African mysticism, Voodoo, Wicca, and various other pagan beliefs.
Not to mention all of the extinct religions that represented huge civilizations of the past such as the ancient Egyptian gods, the Greco-Roman pantheon, or Norse mythology. You also have the new school belief systems such as astrology, tarot cards, palm reading, crystal gazing, crystal healing, psychic abilities, and other paranormal beliefs, as well as thousands of cults worldwide.
You cannot represent all of humanity by sending someone who is devoted to only ONE faith. That's not representing "humanity", it's representing a religion. If intelligent aliens were genuinely curious about human civilization, an anthropologist or a sociologist who could accurately describe these different belief systems objectively would be the best representative for humanity. Not a priest, rabbi, reverend, imam, monk, nun, or a religious minded politician who represents only one country.
Unlike the character Ellie, I do believe that the question is relevant - but for a complete different reason. It's relevant because you want to weed out any candidates who have either irrational beliefs or biases which are inconsistent with the scientific method or objective standards of evidence. Only that type of person could represent humanity in an unbiased way.
A vast majority of humanity throughout history believes in the supernatural in one form or another. A representative has to represent the majority. Dr. Ellie cannot honestly represent us in that aspect. We are a species that believes.
@@august7535 i think youre missing the point. all of those groups you mentioned share the fundamental belief in the existence of one or more gods. they have much more in common with each other than with an atheist - and would be more representative of humanity as a whole
Ellie Arroway: Murphy's Mother (from Interestelar) ❤
Omg. That make sense... Except interstellar take place around 2040.
Why does that matter if she does or doesnt? She's a scientist!
Because "God"; is in charge of scientist?
becuase the aliens might be more connected to god and that she wont understand them.. that maybe you have to be religous.. maybe..
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Today she would have been asked if she believes that there are more than two genders.
"Faith is a gift that I have yet to receive" -Robert Langdon
No it's pushed on one without concent in the form of brainwashing from a young age.
yes it is
Johannes Kepler was very religious. He felt that the ultimate expression of faith was to do a scientific experiment because doing so, according to Kepler, was to communicate with whatever made nature. The result of the experiment was a supreme being answering. If there was discrepancy between experiment and scripture, Kepler would side with experiment for religious reasons.
Philip
Nice points. I would add that prayer has a root problem in that it is the ultimate form of narcissism. Why would all the powers of the universe wish to pay attention to any one of us? Think of all the dictator complexes that come from it.
Too bad his contemporaries weren't very fond of such idea.
Except that's an understatement. They hated that idea. They couldn't reconcile. They considered it heresy and persecuted Kepler.
I heard that melody while driving my car by the Caruso at North Point mall.
Only once.
And I called 99.X
And the woman could not tell me which song it was.
I was very sad at that time.
I loved that mall and every Christmas I drove up there.
Dreaming big.
I needed a girlfriend.
I felt so rejected.
Year after year I looked out my window at Kingshouse Commons.
At night.
Looking at my filtrum.
Amanda said I had the look.
Looking at my reflection in car windows.
Driving with the window half way down to feel the Fall air.
Worried.
he just didnt want her to get hurt
This could be any political debate anywhere. Ever.
Thank you.
It takes a lot of faith to believe in something that's not there.
1:15 The religious guy's statement.
Guy: "Dr. Arroway, 95% of the world's population believes in a supreme being in one form or another."
Ellie: "In other words, 95% of humanity disbelieves in many different gods, just as I do."
Guy: "Eh?"
Ellie: "Look, you yourself disbelieve in Odin, Allah, Shiva, Zeus, Vishnu, Jupiter, the Great Spirit, etc. etc. Your colleague disbelieves in all gods but Vishnu. Mohammed over there disbelieves in all but Allah. I'm the only candidate who represents the disbeliefs of 95% of humanity, PLUS the disbeliefs of the other 5%. That's 100%. Let's see Drummond beat that!"
Guy: "Uhhhhh..."
So Ellie gets selected, is blown up when the machine is sabotaged, and Drummond ends up going. :-)
It's called "deus ex machina." I used to believe this movie was about the validity of skepticism, but it's really about the truthful paradigm that faith is very much a part of reality.... it's intrinsic, subjective, and personal; whereas empiricism is extrinsic, objective, and impersonal. Both are very real aspects of truth. The story of Contact is reconciling the two. That is true religion.
100% of the population disbelieve in at least one supreme being of one form or another. Fair game.
I'm so happy and relieved that there's someone who shares the same view i have about this movie
Do you believe in God?
I don’t care whether I do or not.
Oh the thing that gets me most is the "we can't allow an atheist to betray us at the last moment".
Especially when it is the atheist who won't be corrupted by blind faith.
@@why-even-try-brotendo The message of the movie is that blind faith is actually valid.
Blind faith? Who has blind faith?
@@why-even-try-brotendo now that’s a gas. It takes just as much blind faith to reach the conclusions of atheism as it does that of a devout believer. Scientifically, her initial response of lack of data was accurate, but she was pushed because she didn’t actually believe that. She was, in fact, dodging the question of her true belief, a belief built on faith, because scientifically, the lack of data does not disprove it. If she go early believed that she hadn’t an opinion one way or the other, she would have stated as much.
@@Sorel366 No it was absolutely fucking not. If you genuinely believe this then you are a retard. That was NOT the point of this scene or movie. There is a reason why they include the 18 hours of TV static line at the end. To prove that in the face of all this insane shot in the dark sounding nonsense that Ellie just said to the board, it wasn’t blind faith. What happened to her is provable and evidence that it happened exists. Don’t be stupid. Use your brain
“To believe in God is to know that all the rules will be fair, and that there will be wonderful surprises.”
- Ugo Betti
This was about Dr Arroway achieving her dream in science and her inspiration to others. It was totally wrong for Dr Arroway on be put on the spot like that.
Individualism is about carving your own path, not following a crowd. You can't please everyone so therefore discrimination is not the key to human progress in the sciences.
I love movie contact made of carl sagan.
You have a good point. But, just because religions have good intentions does not mean they wont fight with another because they wont believe in the same thing. And please could I have a list of those positive leaders?
Yes. And I've read Dawkins and I respect Feynman's way of "I'm not afraid of not knowing things, of being lost in the universe". Everyone has a right to their opinion. But they don't convince me.
Faith isn't truth.
0:58 "I don't believe there's data either way."
Kinda sounds agnostic
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Thank you, come again
i still hate him for that question.
Most wars are caused the misinterpretation of religion for the belief in the positive progression in ones own life. Usually the core principles of religion involve a peaceful message.
As much as I dislike those dogmatic in thier faith. I equally dislike those dogmatic in thier opposition to faith.
It's more a movie about human kind. It's a great movie.
She should have come back with the fact that 95% of scientists don't.
that's truth
After: "We should all take this on faith?"
Before: After having this exact discussion.
How ironic.
Accept that if life evolved greek mythology would be true, if we came from the goballygoop, there would be mermaids, half man half horse, it would be chaotic mess..Creation has intelligence in it, there would never be controlled chaos...one widespread falsehood implies humans have no purpose in life..It obscures a Beautiful Organic Ceation of fire & ice from The True God who created everything...
For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.Is.45:18
There was no need to have faith in Dr. Arroway scientific proof was available. Religious faith has never had any evidence to support its claims but she did in the form of the 18 hour recording of static. Knowing the truth the government withheld information just like religious organizations do, maintaining their power by lying to the faithful.
And I believe that Carl Sagan provided the ultimate answer when asked the same thing...."Which one..."?
The 1 that made; "Adam and Eve?"
@@SabbatarianSundayer. But thats the point he was making! There are many types of religions and gods around the World which percieve things very differently. The Adam & Eve story is a western interpretation suited to a western understanding of subjects generically grouped under the term 'religion'. Adam and Eve are usually portrayed as very western looking, clearly to fit the western persona and be more identifiable and therefore acceptable to western peoples. That doesn't make it the one and one only correct interpretation in every part of the World, it just makes it one of many in the entire World. But you would really need to speak with religionists to argue that point.
a pyramid can only have 1 summit though
@@blackfalkon4189 And there were many pyramids
Arguing is good, it brings insight from anther person's perspective. A sheep has a Shepard, as there are no beliefs of non-believers, no preachers, no holy books ~ its impossible to justify you'r position blindly.
If a self-enlightened believer went out of their way to find their own religion, despite objections from their friends and family, I would have as much respect for them as any other leader.
Some beliefs are not worth tolerating, debate is a hell of a lot better than holy war.
Allow me to quote the late George Carlin. "Children are like everyone
else...a few winners, A WHOLE LOT OF LOSERS!" In others words, if 95% of
the population are preoccupied with being sheep, then the remaining 5%
are unique for not allowing themselves to be duped by nonsense &
superstition. Thus, becoming leaders in their own right.
Someone who loves you for you:(:(:(
Scientists can be incredibly arrogant. NOT accepting the possibility of God is one of the ways they betray their intellectual arrogance.
Well before Steven Hawkins died, he said he believed time had always existed, just in a different way! But I don't believe time as we know it and that we measure everything with has always existed at all! And of course it will end. The clock will stop going in circles and we will spin out into something that has always existed. Eternity! It's hard to maintain an open mind if you already think you know everything! There are a few things we all know for sure. But the big answers we are still struggling with. Some of us anyway!
Sure. Meanwhile, you could read Bentov's "Stalking the wild pendulum", Jung's "Archetypes and the collective unconsciousness" or "Uncommon Wisdom" by Fritjof Capra. One was a rocket scientist, the other a doctor and the last a theoretical physicist.
when I watch this scene I'm ashamed of belonging the human kind
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that's why u never question your girlfriend. She might as well say "whatever"
If this were to happen today there would be a big backlash because every american has the right to religious freedom and not getting discriminated for it.
They can never say yes or no
Please share your link on that statistic!
So many atheists talk about "belief without evidence". That is the essence of belief. If there was evidence, it would not be called belief. Secondly, from a scientific point of view, there is every good reason to have spiritual faith. I (as a physics student) find it highly unlikely, that the universe and origins of existence can be comprehended by the human mind. I have no proof of a God. But I have reason to believe in Him :) But that's my opinion.
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ich werde es den Menschen aber nicht nehmen, die so fest daran glauben
Yes
Romantic Scene: Palmer asks this question, knowing the answer, because he did not want her to go on the trip because it would lose the chance to stay with her (so beautiful).
...........no that's possessive and sabotaging her goals
just commenting again to let you know i found your comment again by accident after two years and got mad enough to comment again
ridiculous
We are spreading worldwide ;) Although, I think we must also put attention to other problems besides religion.
Greetings from Costa Rica :D
Much love from Canada.
Got it.
What a joke of a species we are...
we are only the most intelligent species on the planet and most likely the universe. I hope I'm wrong with the last part but all evidence points towards our sun, solar system planet layout and earth being extremely rare. We landed people on the moon and invented the hydrogen bomb but you sit their in all seriousness and call us a joke. Religion is part of human beings and without it we would never have come this far. By religion I include atheists also because we are programmed to worship something, be it science, god or whatever else there is to idolize. I believe in facts. Nothing more and nothing less and all the facts point towards human beings being exceptional!
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I want to read this book. I’d be willing to bet that Carl Sagan, as the ardent atheist that he was, didn’t actually write this. What sickens me most about this scene is that Palmer asked her if she believes in God, not a god, and after she so appropriately asked what the relevance of the question was someone else jumped in and changed the question to whether she believes in a supreme being in one form or another, which suggested any god…the Hindu god Shiva, for example. So the question remained unclear, and her concern over the relevance of the question was never answered either. Ninety-five percent of the world believing in some form of higher power does not make the question relevant, it makes it discriminatory towards the five percent that don’t. Much less people believe in a higher power today. Palmer was discriminatory in suggesting that what somebody believes in should have weight in the determination over whether or not that person should get selected. In reality she never would’ve taken him back after that. It’s a very sad scene. And if that ninety-five percent figure was accurate back then it’s embarrassing to think that many people believed in fairytales. It’s not a mass delusion either, as Palmer inaccurately suggested, but a mass misrepresentation of reality that isn’t based on any credible evidence whatsoever, and is contrary to the laws of nature. (Although people can still choose to continue having faith in the religions they were indoctrinated into, and shouldn’t be discriminated for such choice).
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What's up with that?
Don't know why.
wich movie is this?
do all of you believe in LOVE???
I love Matthew
Well said my brother!
So the man that said "95% of the world's population believes in a supreme being. I think that makes the question more than relevant," is speaking for 95% of the world's population. No one likes anyone else speaking for them unless they want them to. I do agree that there are a lot of religious people in the world, but I can bet 100% that they would not choose a scientific man like him to speak for them. And even if they did, humanity as a whole chose the wrong profession as Ellie is a "Scientist," tasked on bring back "physical" proof and not a "Pastor, Priest, Bishop..and so forth." But then again, who believes in anyone these days whether it's 1997 or 2017 or 2107? What humanity should have done was to try to send both a scientist and a religious person to collaborate their experiences to one another and to back each other up. That's how I view this scene.
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No, they intentionally said God, as it referring to the 'one true Christian god' which is entirely inaccurate. 95% of the world isnt christian. If they want someone to represent god, who represents the muslims, hindus, and every other religion out there? Its absolute nonsense to put fictitious beliefs in the way of scientific discovery and the absolute best representation of humanity.
People can’t get around to answering their questions
Way to go dude. Way to go.
There are many ways to test if someboby loves someone else, by the way.
EXACTLY :D
Exodus 35:2 "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." Why does the Holy Bible contain this passage?
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Look up!! "Contact"
If you haven't see it you must be living under a rock.
That depends. Are we our own versions; of the fallen "Adam and Eve?"
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Which to him is humor
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY BELIEFS
WE'RE PRIMATES!!!
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The Mystics Dilemma... You can't convince someone of something you know to be true because there is no evidence they can comprehend or that might be sufficient for them...or Plato's Cave: One who recieved light and truth they cannot adequately communicate to others who are still locked in their limited perspective? And Dr Drumlin is the charlatan who gets what he wants by telling others what they want to hear though he knows it is a lie...until Karma gives him what he deserves. I love this movie. The Scientist becomes the Prophet and only then understands the dilemma.
Yea yea or nay nay
I like Matthew Mconahey
If this number is falling I will have hope for mankind.
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Early in the movie, her boyfriend tells her about how he found God but she refuses to believe him because he can't physically prove it. At the end, she has an experience she knew she had but her camera didn't work so she couldn't physically prove it and no one in the courtroom believed her except her Christian boyfriend. You want proof of God? search him with all your heart and you'll get it, but good luck trying to convince those who refuse to believe in him about what you know!
Did you just try to use a movie to prove god exists? lol
No, I experienced God in real life but that part of the movie was a lot like us Christians trying to explain what we know to unbelievers.
If any atheist has to confront the political idiocy of people like this in their lives and they wish to gain the favor of the idiots without actually lying there is a way. Profess that you believe in Spinoza's God. "who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists" -Einstein.
Listen guys, do you want God to actually communicate back to you? There is a way, but its a rather simple method that most won't understand because its way too simple & the brain cannot comprehend such simplicity. Some people see dreams & visions from God, angels, etc, why? What makes them different, nothing really, its God who is the one who chooses who to speak to based on a few things that they do, if you want to know these message me please, simple as that, this is not a lie. Peace n love.
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Personally speaking, I believe in ME.
This was in 1995 and a lot has changed since then. Trust me the world doesn’t care anymore.
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I don't believe you understood the moral of the story.
In the end, when she tries to convince the Jury in the Testimonial interogation, they told her: "You're asking us to put our entire business in faith?". Since what she knows is the truth, others won't believe her cause they'd only look for solid evidence when in fact she did have an experience with Aliens, and when she left they're were others who did believe her, and had faith. Exact same thing goes with religion. It's a Philosophical book!
This reminds me of the DNC email leaks, when the DNC was going to try to push Bernie Sanders to answer this question in order to give Hillary Clinton Favoritism among the southern baptists
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You may already have these on your shelf by try reading “The Believing Brain” Michael Shermer, it gives insight into how and why we may or may not be convinced of an argument even in the present of good evidence. “Breaking the spell” by Dan Dennett is another good book that explores the evolution of religious thinking and propagation.
no!
Doesn't she change her mind at the end of the movie and shows faith in something that she can't really prove because only she saw it?
"Dr. Arroway, 95% of the world's population believes in a supreme being in one form or another."
I'm one of the 5%
From numba1drycellfan,
divorce isnt aloud in most religions, and people who do homicide would decrease cause homicide mainly only happens when somebody has nothing to live for and dont care about others but religion gives people a reason to hold back. but you are correct about the scientest and actors but personally most of the actors that are athiest i dont really like =P but other people do so that part doesnt count". ..
The Inquisition (Documentary)
From numba1drycellfan,
"so how would homicide, pregnacy, divorce, and abortion rates increase if atheist left"?
Could gods be considered a hypothesis in Science? No, not even that, 'cause clearly gods are human projections, and what must be studied is the propagation of beliefs, that exists and has a bloody history. And the fact that gods are pampered, eternally in need of flattery in the form of prayers, rituals, adorations and sacrifices, and brutal in the punishments of non-believers, who must at the same time be feared and loved, is just one of the characteristics they received from the people's relationships with yours emperors, kings and queens, who were and are models for the construction of these folkloric characters called gods. gods are not an inexplicable phenomenon, but well explained by psychology, psychiatry, anthropology, sociology, etc. There's no point in the question "does god exist?", it's like asking if santa claus exists. god and santa claus are both well explained, 'cause they are equivalent folklores, and folklores are studied. It's useful to know why human beings like to believe in things that don't exist, why they like to escape reality to the point of believing even in "flatland", why they are so afraid of the limitations that reality imposes, such as finitude, why invent so many ways to "dodge" their deaths through beliefs in life after death, etc. Why all this fear of reality and life?
it's surely lower than 89%, but the fact is we can't survey the entire Earth (china, north korea, other crappy places etc)
, Rosslyn Metro Train station,
I don't know if its god , but i believe that is something outside who practice good and power. Call it god or what but there is something out there.
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Perhaps we are all changed from the inside out. One at a time, so we know that this power is from God and not from us. :)
Watch "Jodie Foster final hearing - from Contact 1997"
Do u believe in a creation ! Cos u are in one ☝️!!!‘
No, I like to enlighten people. I like to point out the TRUTH.
No, I don't belong to any particular religion. If I had to choose one, I'd say that I'm a buddhist. But I'm generally just a deist.
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so you bieleve that we just APPEARED from nothing? you bieleve that there is NOTHING that is greater than us out there?
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I'm talking about this that scene in particular, not about the evidence later on. The committee didn't believe her because she didn't have evidence, but we know what happened with her. Later on when she goes out, she see's people supporting her because they have faith in her EVEN THOUGH there was no evidence.
The world falls apart? How so? I mean, If the world had no religion wouldn't it be the opposite? Most wars are caused by religion after all.
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