250k vs 500k Pots And Bridge Tone Control In a Strat
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Can you do some videos where you compare 250k and 500k volume and tone pots for single coil Strats?
Hi Dylan, Thanks once again for this very clear description of how to hook up the components for an SSH Strat pickguard. FYI, the copper shielding tape with conductive adhesive - the big roll of 2 inch wide stuff - is still the best deal going. There is one other brand that sells the same-size roll of copper tape, also with conductive adhesive. I think the difference in price is about 49 cents , so if one is out of stock, there's an alternative.
A tip for people who live where it's cold during the winter. As the temperature drops, the air gets very dry, because cold air doesn't hold moisture. If you leave the tape sitting loose by your workbench, the adhesive will dry out fairly quick. Keeping the roll in a zip-closing freezer bag prevents that, and it's easy to do to prevent the hassle of finding your copper tape has no "stickum" left.
Two other points I noticed while looking at the listings. Point #1 is that a roll of this stuff that's the same length but narrower, cost a lot more, and the thickness of the copper foil is/was often less (that makes it fragile & easy to damage). Just something to be aware of - the wider tape is a much better deal all around.
The other is that there's an overseas brand - the company name's "characters" translate to something like "dead flowers." Their listing shows a picture that looks just like the big roll you recommend. But going in and reading their actual specs, buried in the listing, their tape is only a 6 ft. roll, about 1/10th the length of your favorite brand. Showing that picture in the listing is a bit of a con, because a 6 foot length doesn't look anything like the Amazon "best bargain" roll of copper tape with conductive adhesive.
Anyhow, thanks again for these pointers on setting up the SSH Strat. I hadn't done one for a while, and it was a big help
just put 500k pots in my jackson sl1 with stacks and jb and honestly it sounds better than the 250k they had in there before.
My experience is that shielding works really, really well as long as it is done properly so that it actually works and has continuity all over. But you also have to shield the internal cavity as well.
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@@whoddie Care to explain yourself?
Hi Dylan, another great video, for anybody in the UK, i used Wilson & Gregory slug barrier tape from the Poundland shop on 2 Stat guitar scratch plates and also inside the cavity, it works a treat, no unwanted noise cheap but not nasty. 2mtr x 25mm for £1, a bargain, easy to use and it works.
I've watched many hours of your videos. Very informative always down to earth. I've come over here from an older film about 'matching pots' and some of the talk was about tolerances and how much was acceptable. I bought 3 500k push/push pots from Allparts and they vary quite widely from 457 to 480 and 560.
This is exactly what I was looking for. I got a SSH pick guard, just like yours. Just ordered some copper. Now I just need to draw out the wiring and I'm all set except for winding my own pickups. Now that's another project to do.
My SSH pickups are stock but got I got em A500k volume, 47caps and A500k noload tone. At clean, I always start at 3 on tone then I love how the single neck PU and bucker screams when tone is dialled full at no load. Lots of tonal possibilities. 👌👌 Thanks to Dylan.
I purchased a stacked OEM Fender dual 500k/250k pot and went to a single tone shared by all pickups. Wiring by Guitar Electronics for $39. HSS with 1 volume 1 tone. Winning!
I'm putting humbuckers in my Strat because I love the body shape but don't like single coils. 2nd tone knob a bass bleed, 1st tone knob treble bleed for both pickups.
I thought.022 drops were meant to be used for humbuckers. And .047 for single coil. Is there a reason why you used the drops the way you did in this video?
I had a Fender Lone Star Strat which came with their 5-way Super Switch. This switch allowed for the bridge humbucker to automatically split in position 2. I took it a step further by replacing the 3rd position with the neck + split bridge humbucker instead of just the middle pickup by itself. Also; both of the split coil combos were humbucking and ironically quieter the humbucker itself (Pearly Gates Plus) which used mismatched coils.
This could be a really nice setup with the Hum split and Tele like tones
How good the twin head humbucker in the MIM lonestar version compared to the pearly gates in the Usa?
Also does the mim lonestar have 500k pots ?
Is the twinhead humbucker ceramic or alnico?
I mostly do heavy metal, and super glassy tones on the cleans
I've got a CV strat and the bottom tone control was tied into both the middle and bridge, and the upper tone control was connected to the neck. (I've since built a new pickup with push/pull pots and hot rails and used quick connects so I can easily swap pickguards). I shielded it all, including the jack cavity because why not? I Initially ran into a short, then discovered that Fender wires the ground to pin, and hot to ring, and that is the cause of shorts when shielding the jack cavity so if you run into that, just reverse the phase on the jack leads and it will be fine. I wouldn't have bothered shielding the jack cavity if I didn't already have the jack out to replace it with a true tone jack (preventive to avoid future scratchiness due to wear). I upgraded to 500K pots so I can further cut out the caps for more highs to offset some of the loss of highs from the humbucker setup.
I just finished an HSS that has separate volume pots for bridge and single coils so I can have a 500K for the humbucker and a 250k for the singles. It also allows me to split the coil at the volume pot and I used a push/pull tone pot, using a .015 Soviet PIO as the down/default and a .047 orange drop as the pulled up cap. I also used treble bleeds because I'm addicted to them... lol. I can basically get any sound I want and always have balanced pickups that way. Just keep the switch sides separate and bridge pins 2/3 so the 2nd volume gets both singles. Solder the humbucker directly to the volume 1 and then send it to the switch. Then you can use the last common output pin for master tone/output.
12:33 but wouldn’t connecting 2 to 3 make your middle and bridge pickups share the tone pot??
I thought the point is to have the bridge be alone?
Thank in advance 🙏
Great video.
I have a mid-80s Kramer Focus 3000 in HSS arrangement and wanted to do this exact mod, so I’m glad I found this.
I also want to add the Gilmour mod in place of the current coil splitter so I can run the neck pickup in conjunction with B and B+M positions. The tone pot for the N/M will also be push/pull and will either switch between series and parallel on the neck pickup, or change its phase. I haven’t quite decided which tones I find more useful.
I think that will give me the tones I want without cluttering up the guitar with repeat tones or tones I’d never use, like some of these 85-in-1 arrangements I’ve found.
I’d spend more time searching for the “preset” than playing, lol.
I just re-potted my Tele ! it had cheap electric's and the modern wireing , I went to the 1960's 3 way version with the oarnge drop
.074 cap ! WOW 100% better with more complete frequency .
what is the standard pot for a humbucker ?
if use sandpaper and a sanding block and a downward motion you can trim all the tape hanging over the edge of the scratch plate perfectly
Beautiful video. Great information, lovely trees, birds and guitar pickups!
The copper tape is to wrap around fruit trees or pots to keeps slugs at bay . The copper reacts with the slime they rely on . I use gold foil from chocolate bars the stuff with paper on one side . Just paint the paper side with PVA and slap it on . Just fold a piece to connect the sheet if you need to but most big bars unfold to cover a pickguard in in one go .
You can also add a 500k resistor in parallel with a switch to make a 500K pot a 250K pot, if you don't mind only going down to half volume add a 250K resistor in series to the GND of a 250K pot with a bipass switch... however doing that will mean you can't go below half volume with the knob fully down.
My former HSS configuration of my Fender Strat Special differed from this diagram by way of the master tone being a concentric tone pot w/a 0.022uf capacitor & a resistor and a bridge humbucker coil split switch.
What size resistor did you use? And why that size?
@@windsurfmaui8239 mid 90s Mexican Fenders had a variety of quality control issues and that pot was one of them so it's been rewired and converted to all single coils since then since then; no idea of the resistor that came with that tone pot.
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This was amazingly informative. I wish I could see a diagram of this
I am DYING to see a diagram of this. I think there's so much cool stuff going on with the neck+middle pickups going to one tone, bridge to another. There's coil splitting, etc. I'm pausing at 10:00, but I can't see everything. DAMN.....
Would love to see a diagram of it too -- pausing didn't help enough lol
Is it possible to do a master volume, master tone, then the last knob be just a coil split?
Hey Dillan...love your videos. But if you switch that humbucker using the push-pull pot to where only one coil is in use - isn't that .047 cap wrong for the single - in use - coil ?
Thanks dude, that slugtape hack is killer!
Two things:
1. If your shielding tape is only conductive on one side, wouldn't conductive paint on the seams be easier than soldering them?
2. If you ran the two singles in series, would you still use a 500 and treat them like a single hum?
Not putting these into practice, just general curiosity. Thx!
Hey Dylan! This video just gave me an idea for a rewiring weekend. :) Awesome work!
If you jumper B2 and B3 of the switch going to Tone 2 pot, then tone 2 pot would be for middle and bridge no? Surely you'd want to jumper B2 - B1, B1 going to Tone 1 for neck/middle Tone. Am I confused here?
That copper foil is what I've used and it worked well and as you said, cheap. Also as to slugs, yes slugs and snails don't like walking on copper it causes a chemical reaction when they step on it. kind of like a skin reaction from an allergy.
What about the volume pot? Is it 250k as the first tone pot? Is the resistance of the volume pot also important?
He said theyre all 500
Thoughts on a treble bleed with this type of configuration?
Hi. Thanks a ton for your videos. I have a Squier Sonic Strat (2023 version). I want to put a Di marzio super distortion DP100 in the bridge position. And leave the stock squier pups in place.
My question is what do you advise me regarding the pots? Do I change them to 500k?
And what other advices would you give me? Thank you.
excellent. thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
No shielding paint for me either. Yep most components need to be grounded for good continuity!! 👍👌💯
Assuming this is a 5-way switch, does it make a difference now that two pickups are going through one capacitor?
Yes it does; the single coil pickups both share the same tone pot as well as the same 0.022uf capacitor on the 5-way's 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th positions while the bridge humbucker's wired to its own tone pot and 0.047uf cap on 1 & 2.
I use the same tape but in the body only.
Okay, I"m ordering copper tape for my next pot-swapping project. HSS with a blender pot. Tone will be 1M audio taper; blender 1M linear. Before I changed it to the blender set-up, the two tone pots shared the same capacitor. I'm not sure how that worked.
I guess I should line the insides of the cavities in the body with that tape too.
That pickguard sure looked pretty.
Thanks For Sharing
Does anyone know, if a treble bleed can be installed on top of this videos' wiring example?
Yes, just install it on the volume pot.
Thanks bud.
Have you done a segment on base plates for pickups and if there's a difference in paper and or the different metal plates?
On the single coils, I mean.
Thanks for the info. At some point im probably going to order a set of Tele pickups. Its in the infant stage right now. My wood is drying out.
I use the exact tape.. But also nickel paint. So far no issues with the paint but I'll have to keep my eyes on it.. I use them together often
Mainly just to have better coverage...
But I only use humbuckers now so it's all redundant. Except I guess the cavity area.... Where the paint comes in is the drilled sections between cavities. I pour it through.
I only use 500k pots as I like extremely bright tones..
I also wouldn't do a HSS maybe a HS and treat it like a SSS with a series switch for bridge like a PRS
You don't need or want a tone on bridge anyhow. Humbuckers are often dark.
Another great video! Thanks as always bro!!
Hi! There, I've seen that you sheilded copper over aluminum, Does it matter if the aluminum isn't remover? Thanks!
How can I get the wiring diagram for this setup?
For my personal taste at least, I'm perfectly ok with a bridge humbucker with a 250K pot, but I'm not ok at all with single-coils with 500K pots.
I bought a 5 dollar bucker from a parts bin years ago and forgot about it. I found out it was a 70s super distortion paf worth 150-200 so I bought a ssh pickguard for it. I left the 250k pots but I want to try a treble bleed. I can't split the coil because it's so old an only has two wires
Is there a wiring diagram of this anywhere with a CTS SPST for the bridge tone/ push pull???
Where do you normally place the weakest pickup, neck or middle? I've seen several videos, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern where the weakest pickup should be.
Do you have a wiring diagram?
My top tip for a better strat. Buy one from someone other than Fender.
You can buy a hand crafted instrument made to your specifications from the best materials for less if you do so. You will have an instrument that will last longer than you. It will be set up to your specs and e perfect from the day you collect it. It will be more reliable and never need modifications as it was everything you wanted.
It really couldn't be simpler than that.
Thought it was .22 cap on the humbucker??
I'm confused, why are you reversing the caps? .022uf is usually used on humbucker and .047uf on single.
Going for a darker or brighter tone?
Also adding a 500k resistor parallel from the switch to ground where the single connects to the selector makes the singles see 250k, I noticed a change in tone, but not as good as using a 250k, so I'd actually put a 250k resistor in series with the humbucker so it sees 500k.
Dylan is a blender tone knob also the same as a series/parallel tone knob set up? How would these compare to a Kingtone switch?
Hi Dylan, I have a similar topic. Apologies if you have covered this in a previous video. I have a Fender FSR Japan Tele with soapbar P90 in the neck and a Tele bridge pickup in the bridge. The pots are 250k. I understand that P90 normally likes 500k pots and single coil likes 250k. It has a 4 way selector. The P90 is a bit muddy sounding. Should I use a capacitor connected to the hot out from the P90 to the switch to brighten it up? Or…? 🙏🏼 thank you
I have the exact same copper tape from Amazon. I just used to it to shield my Affinity Squire Strat that had major grounding problems, like if to touched the pickup screws it clicked. It worked great. Not single touchable hot spot on the guitar. And I had some money to blow and didn't feel like soldered the guitar, which I have done before, so I got and Obsidian Wire kit with the Gilmore switch. It sounds amazing and is so clean.
Question, I’m sure you can answer. A coil tap and a coil split are two different things and should give two different tones. Could a pickup be wired with both and switched differently???? Is this possible???? Any way please stay safe.
I'm pretty sure a coil tap wil only tap down to a split. You are basically putting one of the coils on a dimmer. At the very end of the tap rolloff, you are left with one coil live, which is sonically and literally the same thing as a split. There isn't any reason to wire for both, as far as I know.
A coil split is usually when you split a humbucker. A humbucker is two coils with one reverse wound. You take one of the halves and you get a single coil.
A coil tap is when you tap into a any coil to get less windings. So instead of 8k you can get 7 or 6.
I think making a tap - so long as you didn't go too low - would just be a separate switch and wouldn't change much else.
What if you only have one tone pot?
Two things Dylan. Should the shielding on pickguard be minimally cut to avoid noise, and according to guns and guitars, he said that he cut around the screws because he once shorted out a guitar. What are your thoughts? Big fan of your channel, thank you so much for all the info
Thanks..this was helpful!I need some advice from you.My project is a HSH Strat with push pull at the volume to add the bridge and push pull at the middle pickup tone control to split both humbuckers. I've managed to have the "add bridge" push pull working but I don't know how to wire to obtain the coil split for the humbuckers..can you help me?
does copper pickup covers also consider as shielding method? heard it can affect your tone as well
My Flying V has zero shielding and it is deadly quiet no matter the environment. It’s so quiet that the first time I plugged it in after swapping pickups I thought I didn’t solder it correctly. It’s just got pot waxed humbuckers, nothing special. A PAF and a JB.
Great stuff, Dylan! Quick question: Why are Jazzmaster pots typically 1M? Are they “muddier” by nature than strat singles AND humbuckers? Are 1Ms used in any other guitar pot scenaios as often as Jazzmasters?
Hi Dylan! Thanks for your great videos by the way. Quick question, in your opinion what is the best pot for a P90, 500k or 250k?
Hey Rafael,
Obviously I'm not Dylan. But I can tell you I have many P90 guitars they are my favorite. And I attempted to use 250K pots that I already had and had to switch them to 500K both Volume and Tone. Reason being it was way too dark sounding. It was like rolling the tone knobs by half if not more. Hope this helps.
@@j.a.s.1416 Thank a lot, J.A.S!
I'm not Dylan, either... though I recall one of Dylan's old videos recommending 500k for p90. Perhaps you find that video somewhere in this channel.
Good luck!
Rafael,
In my Gibson Les Paul with P90s, I did 500k CTS pots, with .033 Russian paper-in-oil caps, and added treble bleeds. 680pf cap & 100k resistor on the bridge, 500pf cap & 150k resistor on the neck. All of this was done with the "50's wiring" schematic.
@@DanCooz323 thanks a lot!
Try HSS with a single tone and single volume, 2 knobs. The volume can be moved further from the high E string so your hand doesn't hit it, or your trem arm on dive-bombs. I did it, SO MUCH BETTER!!
My hand doesn’t hit it
what value your pots are?
If we have only 1 volume and 1 tone then how can we achieve this ?? Please suggest
@dylantalkstone so with this circuit using all 500k pots is there no need to use the 470k resistors?
I just want to clarify, you said..."I never shield guitars"... so let me tell you how I do it 🤔🎸
I have my strat tone knobs at 10 all of the time because when I lower them they sound way too muddy. I'm about to just replace them all with 500K pots with the hope that I will want to actually use the tone knobs.
Do 50s wiring or a treble bleed
I was going to add a concentric 250K/500K pot so I could control the volume of the single coils with the 250K and the humbucker with the 500K. Then I was going to have one 250K pot for the single coils tone control and one 500K for the humbucker tone control. Am I wasting my time using the concentric pot for volume instead of just using a single 500K to control the volume for all pickups?
I actually have an old pro tone with single coils that originally come with 500k pots, and with that tone controls I feel there’s way more control. But what you just did, did you only use 500k for the tone control on the bridge? Or are they all 500k and just compensate with the caps?
i just got done adding a humbucker sh4 in my strat, new pickguard, with ssl1 and fender squier mid pickup, reverse the wires on the seymour duncans so they work in phase with the mid pickup, i also added a new fender 5 way switch and wired everything through that, instead of my old import switch which was faulty, and after installing it, everything works, but the switch jams in position 5 to 4, like gets a little stuck inbetween 4 and 5 and position 5 seems to be working as Neck and middle, the same as position 4 instead of being Neck only, im wondering if it could be cause by the pickups switch being stuck there, as if maybe some solder got inside thats making position 5 act like its position 4 or something, ive been trying to find solution online, reddit discord and other forums, but no one is answering, and no other person has ever posted anything with a problem similar to mine
Does anyone ever put a hum in the neck position and single single for middle and bridge?
I Iike to buy 1k pots for both volume and tone and then decrease their resistance to the needs of my pickups by adding resistors in parallel. In that way I can very easily adapt the pots using resistors which are dirt cheap
I think when a slug crawls across copper, it's slime is acidic and reacts with the copper and kinda shocks it... like licking a 9v battery.
what makes the value of a pot 250 k or 300 k 1 meg so on? also what about capacitors? what makes it the value of .047 or .033 and so on. thanks in advance.
Nice.
I HAVE A CORRECTION. I have a HSS like yours not a SSH
Quick question, I currently have a humbucker guitar with 250k pots that’s too muddy, but the split coil tones sound phenomenal. I’m going to swap them out for 500k but I’m worried I’ll make the split coil thin sounding. What would you do?
I’ve just ordered some dual gang 250k/500k volume pots and am hoping my luthier can install them
500k pot contains values 0 - 500k, 250k pot contains values 0 - 250k. The 500k pot hence contains the whole range of 0 - 250k too which means you can achieve exactly the same tone with it. If the 500k pot sounds too thin you just roll the pot down to a smaller value, e.g. 250k. It's just a resistor which changes in value. You just have to be more careful adjusting the 500k because the values change more per same amount of rotation. Rarely guitar pots are linear though so I doubt this is an issue (so the 250k value in 500k pot might be something like 7 or 8). You can also turn your 500k pot to a 250k pot simply by just installing a 500k (constant value) resistor parallel with the pot. It will turn the pot from 0 - 500k to 0 - 250k. If you use a 1M resistor parallel with the 500k pot you'll make the pot effectively a 333k pot. Recommend you some resistor calculation (series, parallel) tutorial. Remember the pot is just a variable value resistor (from 0 to its nominal value, e.g. 250000 or 500000).
@@McSlobo for a tone pot yes, but on a volume pot it acts as a voltage divider, so if you have a 250k pot which has less resistance, more highs will bleed to ground, even with the volume on 10. Rolling the 500k pot down will just make the signal quieter
I’ve seen some guitar companies (I think suhr) connect a resistor in series with the hot wire of the single coils and the volume pot on HSS guitars to balance the single coils as well
Got the rona' and self isolating in the 'bego.
Wow, great timing. Thought of an SSH guitar build.
now is that push pull pot a 250 or 500K? I would bet it is a 500k but would rather not buy the wrong thing. Thanks
Did you find out trying to figure out the same thing
You actually had your capacitors mixed up, you're supposed to use the .047uf for the single coils and .022uf for the humbucker. .o47uf way too muddy for a humbucker
Well…. Fender has been putting .022s in strats since 1954 …. And really… a player can do whatever sounds good to him so….
@@DylanTalksTone it's .047 in a humbucker that's not usual not the other way arround. But it's all relevant i guess
Just jam a 1m pot and forget it. >_>
Hey Dylan, I have a Brian May style strat and I’ve noticed some weird things. Sometimes my time knob will make the guitar buzz if I touch it, and my volume will make sound on zero as if it was on ten. Also the trisonics I use have a metal housing so idk how to properly shield the guitar.
Copper's a natural disinfectant. Maybe that's why slugs don't like it?
250K FOR STRAT ONLY....
Dylan , you awesome bro , hey bro , how can I contact you ? Id love yo chat with you , I live in Ontario canada , how can I order some of your pick ups ?
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Tone pot on a strat is not very interesting. One volume pot per pickup is another animal...
I have never tried that
Used motor oil works great to keep slugs out of your garden!!!...thats a joke...please don’t do that!!!!
Everyone does this in Australia, used engine oil around the perimeter of your property, great for weeds too :)
I put it around poison ivy and oak