When a deadly accident doesn’t add up
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Case 152: Cindy & Mona Lisa Smith
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples should be aware that this episode contains the names of people who have passed away. The families of Cindy and Mona Lisa Smith have given Casefile permission to air this content.
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This story was very important. Thank you for sharing it.
All his stories are important.
@@Irunwithscissors63thanks for your unnecessary comment.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. you’re welcome
Thank you for sharing this important story with sensitivity & respect. I was completely unfamiliar with this case & bonus - you prompted me to do some research about a culture unfamiliar to me.
I am strongly reminded that a similar pattern of missing and murdered indigenous women exists in the US and Canada. There are NO disposable people. These incidents need to be investigated doggedly.
RIP Cindy & Mona Lisa. You and your family deserved so much better.
I love all the details gone into all his episodes. Keeps me going back each week for more.
I love your introductions, its very thoughtful and considerate especially with these types of tragedies
I am mortified for the parents of these girls and absolutely repulsed by the obvious racist bullshittery that happened. Thank you for bringing these issues to light.
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@@SpicyTexan64go roll your eyes somewhere else.
Yes, yes, yes. ❤
@@SpicyTexan64What the bell is your problem with that comment? You must be a racist, too. 🤬
when we got told Cindy was a minor i lost my shit, i was mad before but im even more mad now. Why the hell wouldnt they charge him for messing with a minor? not like she magically flew out of the car and landed / got put down in that position, plus she was alive for however many hour(s) after the crash, safe to assume she would have fixed her clothing if able. I cant believe this guy walked free and how little the police did to actually cater to the mother of the 2 daughters. fuckin gross
You have put it so well this is and absolute outrage who what running the legal body in Australia back then ,and are there any less racist than back then that’s a question that needs answering , why where samples taken from Cindy to identify whether she had been raped / interfered with after death ,however it was put , and young girl with terminal injuries is not toning to be in any position to do anything , let alone offer sex , this line of evidence is utterly preposterous! Why did this even qualify as a testimony ( it sometimes obvious that police and legal system is predominantly male ) this case was a disgrace , and the way the family where discounted and simply not informed of certain aspects it breathtaking . It is unbelievable
The police investigation was "adequate"?
Two girls are dead, one of them sexually assaulted and the killer was never convicted.
I don't think that is adequate.
So much about this story makes me furious and I can't even imagine the pain and confusion that the families felt.
Birthday treat for me.....
Thank you case files
Happy Birthday. Hope you have a good one in these crazy times.
A real treat hey
I've lived in or near half these towns for the past few years but never heard about this, and it's gut-wrenching listening. What an appalling miscarriage of justice, the blatant racism at work is undeniable, and words can't express how much I feel for the families of the girls.
What a dispicable excuse for a man.
Blind Freddy could see he did nafarious things to Cindy.
How did he walk away uninjured and yet both girls dead?? Got the feeling a helping hand likely occured.
If you listened you would have heard that neither girl was wearing their seatbelts.
@@PaulRudd1941 for the sake of previty I didn't refer to the seatbelts. Yes obviously he was wearing a seatbelt and the girls not. Doesn't explain alot except it points to him driving and proving he is a liar.
But the drunk was. Yea right.
@@goldstar846 My guess is that both girls were ejected from the car during the crash while man wasn’t due to being much heavier. I also do believe Mona Lisa was driving, but did so out of necessity. With Grants BAC being 3x the legal limit HOURS after the crash, he was definitely in no state to drive at that time.
I think Cindy and Mona Lisa accepted the ride from Grant, not realizing how drunk he was. I think he continued drinking with them in the car, becoming too drunk to function or passing out behind the wheel. Realizing they were in a dangerous situation, Mona Lisa asked to drive. I think it’s very possible that the crash could’ve been caused by Grant becoming belligerent or hassling the girls in some way. With Mona Lisa’s inexperience, I don’t think she would’ve been driving very fast unless she distracted or felt she was in danger.
They didn't think to photograph the actual crime scene before they moved everything? Wouldn't that have been helpful??
They were racist arseholes who didn’t think the lives of 2 black girls warranted doing that amount of work. Sickening. 😭
This story infuriates me. It makes me embarrassed to be Australian. How was this allowed to happen? It is disgusting the way we have treated the indigenous inhabitants of this place and appalling that we have made so little progress since this happened. We didn’t even have the decency to vote YES for constitutional recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people last year. It makes me so, so sad that we won’t do better. 🤬😭
Indigenous peoples' stories are the same all over the world..!!!
to all racists everywhere:
shame on you..!!!!! (to be polite!)
I wish there really was a Hell...
All the theories at the end seem to be tenuous. Would extended family and other local aboriginals really agree to kill two young girls in cold blood for a bit of money? Not mention, even with the flawed investigation I think injuries from an axe would be plainly visible to medics, police and the coroner .
Second, If Grant slammed on the breaks and the girls flew out how would he then roll the car in a way that would ensure he wouldn’t be injured? Not to mention he was wasted out of his mind, seems like too much planning for some idiot drunk to pull off.
It’s obvious he’s at fault for the crash, that he interfered with Mona Lisa’s body after the fact and should have been convicted on those charges. Their family deserved better, deserves better.
I really like your channel but there’s so many flamen adds it’s not worth the trouble
Sorry buddy but I can’t stand to hear any more
Totally agree I just left a comment expressing the same I really enjoy the show but would like to listen without the commercials !
UA-cam Red is $12 a month. I've had it for about a yr and it's worth it. U can download things and listen without using any data connection. (I use that feature in my car )
I keep hearing horns honking in the background of this audio... 11:45 and 11:59 then 12:16 for example. Am I crazy? I've never noticed this before lol.
BTW: Could you do one on My Lai massacre?
Or Andrei Tsikatilo?
@Draugr I actually havent. 🤔 Would you recommend it?
What does it mean for aboriginal Australians to say or hear the names of dead people based on the disclosure at the beginning? Just wanting to educate myself
It is a spirit based belief and also applies to photos and videos of deceased persons
@@babymama80 Thank you.
You just don't mention names for our mob it's a mark of dess respect
This is what colonization dose
Intergenerational Truma dose to each generation so watch what you say and watch what you put out because it will finds its way back to kin
Just remember we have family all over the western n.s.w that just sample from one side of the family there a bigger side on the other side
So saying there is wrong and dessrepect full watch your mouth 🤫🤫
Apparently an inquest was done for those that don’t know, reading now
I don't know if its just my phone but i've never had so many friggin' ads on an ep of casefiles before! This ep is ridiculous i've had ads every 2 to 3 minutes! Now about the story, i remember being told about this as a kid, it was for lack of better words, a warning for us Aussie kids.. There's some real fkn sicko's out there...
Same here way to many commercials !
Agreed, and this happens on many videos by this podcast - even though he always has multiple sponsors per episode, too. I listen to interesting audio to distract when my pain is unbearable, and having to move when I barely can anyway every 2 minutes to hit 'skip ads' is infuriating. I prefer listening to podcasts through YT when I can because you can actually have a conversation in the comments, but times like this make me think I'm gonna have to listen to this one elsewhere so that I only get the sponsor ads.
I get youtube red. It's worth the $12 to me because I listen while falling asleep and commercials would always wake me up because of the volume changes.
@@dougstyles or just use an adblock for free?
There are some very disrespectful comments below. I hope the family don't see them. Trolls gone too far.
Agreed. This channel needs to be better about monitoring the comments below its videos.
Yeah they just dont get it. They will never understand how it feels to lose a family member to murder, then have to re-live it over and over when the case pops up on the news or on youtube or anything. It is gut-wrenching! Then you have heartless people commenting out of their behinds? The people commenting should have to face up for their actions.
Haven’t listen to a second of the video yet. Gonna guess it’s a woman doing horrible shit. Oh lol nvm it’s just doing noble savage “muh culture of brown people” stuff hahahaha media made for women is so fuxking shit lmao
Wow, the investigation and trial was a total sh!tshow. What a disgrace to the justice system. I hope the families of the two victims will get justice.
So many ads 😰
Having the steering wheel shipped to him - guilty af
WTH! There are like 30 commercials in this video
Would love you to cover the case of those two women In Brisbane who killed a council worker with one of the women claiming she was a vampire think the case happened back In 1987
Stop complaining about ads. Red is $12 a month and well worth it. I haven't seen an ad in over a yr and the $12 is worth it.
@Diana Saia UA-cam prime. It used to be called Red.
All the commercials are very distracting is there a way to listen without all the commercials ?
UA-cam Red
What a poor tragedy!!
If you willingly let an already drunk person drive your vehicle, then you are responsible for any accident.
Really sad but interesting. Far too many adverts, sorry but I have given up watching and unsubscribed.
Totally agree way to many commercials
There is no video on UTUBE with as many ads as yours!! Ridiculous!! I can’t listen with so many interruptions!!
Them sure know how to pick them cops to mess everything 🥶
This still happens. In 2022, there is still 2 different justice systems. It breaks my heart.
Yes. Rich and poor. Not black and white.
@@SpicyTexan64it's both.
Yeah
So many ads. Profiting off death now. Didnt used to be like this.
U gonna pay for their time?
@@jpw5029 sorry but more ads than network tv? Im gonna criticize.
@@benjaminjones1139 u complaining cause they profiting off death or cause they have more adds than tv? maybe they offer ad free if your a monthly subscriber
1:09:05 damn right ... sadly
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The res needs public trans so these women won't have to put their lives in danger, hitching rides
Yeah, hitching rides from strangers , being out drinking at such a young age just exposes kids to danger. Feel sorry for the victims and there is no excuse for evil perpetrators but this lifestyle often leads to disaster.
The parents are convinced the girls didn't take the ride. Please be respectful.
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Far too many interruptions with ads. Very annoying.
U gonna pay for their time?
People need to understand that there is no person actually narrating. It's AI.
I'm confused......these girls were drunk too, and she was driving, his crime is he survived?
It is a tragedy.
If they wanted a conviction they should have charged him with what he was guilty of in the first place.
All this other BS is really silly and completely drawn from angry relatives. This isn't unusual.
She was 13, the “driver”. Her own family said it was very unlikely she was driving his vehicle because it’s a manual transmission, and she’d only briefly ever driven an automatic.
The cops were IDIOTS for not fingerprinting the vehicle in the first place. That dude sexually assaulted a 15-year-old, and tried to say she asked for it. Do you honestly think he wouldn’t lie about being the damn driver??
What charges?? Australia in the 1980s, who even knows what kind of laws they had on the books, but in the US in the 80’s, stuff like drunk driving was only also being taken seriously, and this guy would be charged with drunk driving, rape and voluntary manslaughter now. That’s 20 years, minimum.
Meanwhile in the UK, innocent jeremybamber sadly is still in a jail, after being wrongly convicted for his psycho sisters homicidal attacks from 1985!! Why won't anyone cover that, for once!??
Not a fan about this being made about race.
There are murders involving white girls that have gone unsolved too.
It *IS* about race though, and the fact that some people are treated differently because of this.
More appropriate explanation of austraila... great Britains dumpster.
Get out of the past fool
You’re an idiot! Australia has long since evolved and the British can’t keep away!
Alexander Grant is a New Zealander
Long and way too drawn out story telling, no sub
Yeah man, because skimping out on potentially crucial information to the story would be way better, right?
@@Flatty_VII You missed out on comprehension skills in school I see
Must be that American education system 27th in the world 😂 😂
@@jojobean9260 I mean, you say this yet you're the one having a sook about a story having too much information.
Also assuming I'm american lol, I'll give you that one, it was funny
@@Flatty_VII What is a sook and why do you care whether I sub or not, jeez get a life
@@jojobean9260 I don't care about you or what you do, you do however seem rather entitled about something you clearly know little to nothing about, hence why I spoke up
Sorry can’t listen too many ads that interrupt the flow of the narrative. The ads are for medicine or problems I don’t need or identify with. Plus they are supremely annoying. Finally one ad stopped the ability to continue as the file wouldn’t restart after the ad was done. Too bad. Was starting to really like this channel
Meanwhile in the UK, innocent jeremybamber sadly is still in a jail, after being wrongly convicted for his psycho sisters homicidal attacks from 1985!! Why won't anyone cover that, for once!??
kaboom Jeremy bamber is guilty as hell.SMH 😖😤😠
😂😂😂😂 oh, you weren't joking!! I guess there really is dumbarses out there..