Initial Decay and Rise of the Ferengi Alliance
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When I started watching DS9 I honestly expected to hate Quark and the other Ferengi. One of the best things about the show was that they fleshed out the race and now Quark and Nog are two of my favourite characters in Star Trek.
I love quark and odo's (RIP) interactions. Definitely one of the best parts of ds9
@@Hoffmannempire0 Quarks interactions with Odo isnt one of the best parts . It is the best part of DS9 , until the Klingons showed up in later episodes.
What always made me wonder is... that Ferengi are overall just bad at making Deals and making Profit...
Not using half of their population (the Female Ferengi) for no reason, effectively making them a constant loss, because they have to feed them, is... dumb... but just 1 Example.
There are more. Do i need to list them? I think not.
But what really triggered me was not that, but how laughable timid they were when dealing with the Ferengi Alliance. Remember that time the Starfleet did a harmless Sparring between their Ships and then Ferengi just fired at them, and it all turned into a Life or Death Situation REAL QUICK!?!
If i were part of the Federation, i would and could not leave that be! That such a thing can happen! That my underlings need to be constantly wary forever just because Ferengi do exist!
Fact is, and that's my point: The Ferengi have done Acts of Agression and given War-Reasons again and again! And NOTHING happened!! WHAT THE HECK?!
Quark has Picard quality speeches
@ajs1031 Quark had some not typical ways of doing things, and at one point some of his non-ferengi ideas got him outcased from Ferengi society.
Theory: The broken english was due to universal translators having only a partial but functional translation database. The Ferenngi were only encountered on occasion previously and not exactly on the best terms. Once Ferengi merchants started becoming common in Federation space, the translation database had enough data to fill in the gaps.
Solid theory except that Archer was able to have full conversation with Ferengi that boarded the NX-01 Enterprise.
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ST:E was extremely inconsistent with its handling of the universal translator.
What was interesting was that they were accidentally the most powerful race to play in the Birth of the Federation game.
Where trading was usually limited to allies for other species, the Ferengi could trade with anyone they weren't actively at war with, giving them a massive economic advantage, particularly early on in the game.
Birth of the Federation that was a brilliant game.
I feel like this scene from the episode "the way of the warrior" describe the ferengi better than any other.
Quark:I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this.
Garak:What is it?
Quark:A human drink. It's called root beer.
Garak:I don't know. { Garak scowls/snears }
Quark:Come on. Aren't you just a little bit curious? { Garak sighs, and cautiously drinks... }
Quark:What do you think?
Garak:It's vile.
Quark:I know. It's so bubbly and cloying and happy. { Garak smiles slowly as Quark speaks }
Garak:Just like the Federation.
Quark:But you know what's really frightening?If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
Garak:It's insidious.
Quark:Just like the Federation. { later... }
Garak:Do you think they'll be able to save us?
Quark:I hope so.
The ferengi see the trickery in every situation but they also understand that they are dependent on others
What always made me wonder is... that Ferengi are overall just bad at making Deals and making Profit...
Not using half of their population (the Female Ferengi) for no reason, effectively making them a constant loss, because they have to feed them, is... dumb... but just 1 Example.
There are more. Do i need to list them? I think not.
But what really triggered me was not that, but how laughable timid they were when dealing with the Ferengi Alliance. Remember that time the Starfleet did a harmless Sparring between their Ships and then Ferengi just fired at them, and it all turned into a Life or Death Situation REAL QUICK!?!
If i were part of the Federation, i would and could not leave that be! That such a thing can happen! That my underlings need to be constantly wary forever just because Ferengi do exist!
Fact is, and that's my point: The Ferengi have done Acts of Agression and given War-Reasons again and again! And NOTHING happened!! WHAT THE HECK?!
This is what made DS9 so interesting. The fleshing out of races a like the Ferngi and Cardiassians.
Wars are expensive, it's much easier to just buy what you want than fund a war and also risk destroying what you wanted in the first place.
But wars are also good for business if you are the one selling weapon or rebuilding infrastructure afterwards. So proxy wars wouldn't be unlikely in the history of the Ferengi.
Rule of acquisition 34 (or is it 35?) - War is good for profit. I know, it gets confusing.
@@Shamino1 RoA #34: War is good for business.
RoA #35: Peace is good for business.
Ferengi do have assassins though, so while engaging in wars is not considered a profitable venture, precisely targets violence is a useful economic tool to them
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 wars are good for business... as long as they arent your wars.
Their initial depiction on TNG did them no favors as Roddenberry was apparently incapable of nuance at that point. It's in DS9 that they come into their own as one of my favorite trek species.
In fairness the actor who played Quark has gone on record that his portrayal of them in the last outpost is what made the writers turn them into a joke as they were meant to be a serious threat as much so as Romulans. He has also said that when as Quark he was trying to inpart redeem them and make it so the writers knew they weren't just a joke. Armin Shimmerman was basically as influencal to the Ferrengi as Nimoy was to Vulcans
What always made me wonder is... that Ferengi are overall just bad at making Deals and making Profit...
Not using half of their population (the Female Ferengi) for no reason, effectively making them a constant loss, because they have to feed them, is... dumb... but just 1 Example.
There are more. Do i need to list them? I think not.
But what really triggered me was not that, but how laughable timid they were when dealing with the Ferengi Alliance. Remember that time the Starfleet did a harmless Sparring between their Ships and then Ferengi just fired at them, and it all turned into a Life or Death Situation REAL QUICK!?!
If i were part of the Federation, i would and could not leave that be! That such a thing can happen! That my underlings need to be constantly wary forever just because Ferengi do exist!
Fact is, and that's my point: The Ferengi have done Acts of Agression and given War-Reasons again and again! And NOTHING happened!! WHAT THE HECK?!
@@slevinchannel7589 Perhaps the repercussions occurred off-screen with other ships, divisions, and with the politicians of the Federation. After all, in the grand scheme of things, the Enterprise is just 1 ship out of manny and part of just 1 part of the Federation as a whole. So there is a lot of the universe we just don't see. Heck there is a lo that happens onboard the Enterpise that we just don't see on-screen either.
@@Krahazik If thats true, that's way too much subtext and THEREFORE Bad Writing.
@@Krahazik Indeed, there were a number of aliens that the Federation had conflicts with, with none of that depicted on-screen. Example: apparently, the Feds had an actual "border-wars" with the Cardassians, between 2340s and 2360s, with a truce in 2366. Captain Picard took command of the Enterprise-D in 2364, btw.
I like to headcanon that the Ferengi were putting on an act in TNG, trying to come across as dull, feral creatures to make the Starfleet officers perceive them as less of a threat and more of an annoyance, so that when the opportunity arose, they could pull the rug out from under them and take everything for themselves, but as they interacted more over the course of TNG, they saw this tactic wasn't working and dropped the act completely around the time DS9 came into play.
Is this the video Google demonetized. Honestly it makes my day because it’s just proof that allowing a computer algorithm to control everything will lead to disaster. Especially when you ask a human to look at it and they don’t even watch it.
To be fair, the Borg never actually identified themselves in Enterprise. For that matter, they didn’t do so in their first appearance in TNG, either; if Guinan hadn’t been around, the crew wouldn’t have had any idea who was on that cube (unless Q felt like being helpful). I think they only identify themselves to people who would recognize the name, because they want them to understand that, hey, we’re the Borg; resistance really *IS* futile.
What always made me wonder is... that Ferengi are overall just bad at making Deals and making Profit...
Not using half of their population (the Female Ferengi) for no reason, effectively making them a constant loss, because they have to feed them, is... dumb... but just 1 Example.
There are more. Do i need to list them? I think not.
But what really triggered me was not that, but how laughable timid they were when dealing with the Ferengi Alliance. Remember that time the Starfleet did a harmless Sparring between their Ships and then Ferengi just fired at them, and it all turned into a Life or Death Situation REAL QUICK!?!
If i were part of the Federation, i would and could not leave that be! That such a thing can happen! That my underlings need to be constantly wary forever just because Ferengi do exist!
Fact is, and that's my point: The Ferengi have done Acts of Agression and given War-Reasons again and again! And NOTHING happened!! WHAT THE HECK?!
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@@ostracostio64 You say that like its an insult.
Its a huge comment section, so reasons are obvious.
A thirst that Slugo-cola could not quench.
Didn't they have an unexpected profitable relationship with the Breen? Their negotiation skills are legendary. Lol
Thanks for the video! So, in the episode "Prophet Motive", the prophets told Quark that they had studied Ferengi history and learned that they were not always as they are now, that their greed was less pronounced. That episode made me wonder what Ferengi society must have been like in the distant past.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I feel the need for a Slug-o Cola.
Jeffrey Combs as Brunt: GOLD PRESSED LATINUM
0:33 The Rules of Acquisition didn't start out as 285 rules, in fact, in the 2150s there were only 173 rules
I've come to accept that each Star Trek series exists in a semi-fluid continuity with each other, Which is why the Ferengi on TNG are a militant race who love gold, and the Ferengi on DS9 are indifferent to violence and think gold (not pressed with latinum) is worthless.
Then you missed one of the underlying themes of Star Trek, Contact with the Federation corrupts a species' natural order in favor of the dominant Federation culture ideology. Remember when Quark spoke to Garak and made a nasty face and sound when they said the word Federation when he compared it to Root Beer? "But if you drink enough of it, you begin to like it." "Just like the Federation." "It's insidious!" "Just like the Federation."
Later when Eddington, a Star Fleet officer joins the rebels in the Cardassian-Federation DMZ, he compares the Federation to the Borg, with one difference, "At least the Borg tell you up front about their plans for assimilation."
The Ferengi changed just as every culture changed when it had a lot of contact with the Federation. Even the Borg changed when they dealt with the Federation repeatedly. The Federation was the one culture, no one knew how to beat. It's economy was superior. It's general purpose Star Ships were better in every category, including combat and never lost a war. Its culture was able to overwhelm any other culture and it was often the diplomatic arbiter for relations between other species.
One final feather in the Federation cap, it had arguably the best intelligence service in the galaxy. It put both the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order to shame.
@@cadengrace5466 That "root beer" scene is one of my favorites. However, I don't think Quark's analogy applies to the demilitarization of the Ferengi. The switchover from a militant race to a race that no longer even had a standing army, happened sometime between TNG and DS9. There was never any indication that the Ferengi had any prolonged contact with The Federation, in fact, Trek repeatedly showed that the Ferengi had very little respect for the Federations values. Quark's family are the only Ferengi we ever see who changed their outlook due to prolonged contact with the Federation, and the only society-wide change the Ferengi went through was because of Quark's family.
The only explanation in my headcanon is that each show exists in their own "pocket" continuity where somethings are the same but other things are slightly different.
@@Super_Middleman I do not believe the Ferengi had a military of any sort - ever. Code names and designations are used to mostly define what a ship is or its main purpose in being. Aircraft carrier, Ocean Liner, Ski boat, you get the idea. The only combat capable ship of the Ferengi is the D'Kora MARAUDER. When we see the Marauder employed in use of its weapons it is marauding. While Ferengi are assumed to equate Damon to Captain, it may mean more or something totally different such as, authority of the marauding vessel. We don't know, it is never stated.
Considering the type of vicious capitalism practiced by the Ferengi, armed merchant ships should be a given and if one understands how the organized crime syndicates work, there are enforcers employed to keep the lesser Houses in order - more or less. Fernegi ships are never referred to in any military terms, ever. Theya re always engaged in trade or armed trade = marauding and rarely in self defense, although I think we hear a report of a D'Kora attacked by the Jem-Hdar in the background of one DS9 episode.
@@cadengrace5466 In S04E07 of TNG there is a line given by Kalar (Worf's girlfriend) about how a Klingon civil war would drag in other species. One of the two races she mentions were the Ferengi. I have trouble imagining why a species of merchants ( a profession Klingons have little respect for) would be dragged into a war among Klingons unless it was as combatants. Even if The Ferengi didn't have a formal military they were still a martial threat to the Federation in TNG which is something that was completely ignored in DS9.
@@Super_Middleman The section you refer to reads in the script as follows:
K'EHLEYR: The Klingon Empire is at a critical juncture. We may be facing civil war.
RIKER: War over what?
K'EHLEYR: The usual excuses. Tradition, duty, honour.
DATA: The word excuses implies ulterior motives for a conflict.
K'EHLEYR: I won't bore you with the intricacies of Klingon politics. Basically, two factions are trying to seize power.
PICARD: Do you believe there is a threat to the Federation in this struggle?
K'EHLEYR: Klingon wars seldom remain confined to the Empire. Sooner or later they'll drag in the neighbouring star systems, then the Tholians, the Ferengi. The Federation won't be able to stay out of it for long. This has been coming for some time. Only K'mpec, the head of the Council, has been able to maintain the peace.
TROI: Now something has changed that.
K'EHLEYR: Correct. K'mpec is dying. He is aboard the cruiser. He has come specifically to meet with you, Captain. Alone.
It is pretty obvious it is not because the Ferengi have a military but only in the fact that their space lies somewhere near to Klingon space as does the Tholian and unnamed others. It is not as though the Klingons were going to ask these nations to assit them, indeed the Tholians are xenophobic and would help no one. But both the Ferengi and Tholians as well as the unnamed others would become embroiled in a Civil War that spilled over the borders. I do not think this is enough to convince anyone the Ferengi have anything like a navy or a military. Perhaps you have something else.
I love the ferengi, and that is mostly due to DS9's ability of taking species we met previously in other series and (instead of just showing them off for the next alien of the week plot) allowed them to develop in universe as well as in the writers room. But I think Gene really dropped the ball with his initial description of Yankee traders as I think a better fit for the ferengi would have been "the East India trading company in space". Also in the future trek (piccard era) I'd love to see the ferengi return, but instead of being a joke actually being the power that could rival the federation which they were originally intended to be. I mean after all they didn't participate in the dominion war (the profited off of it), and the other participants in that war (in the alpha/beta quadrants) are not what they once were (crippled cardassia, the post nova romulan free state, and a klingon empire still recovering from the dominon war).
Armin Shimerman should be given a good chunk of credit.
The reason why Quark is so well played is penance for what Directors made him do right at the start....
The ferengi are one of the most interesting star trek species
If only they didn’t have to use time travel through a telephone box
@@LoreReloaded or a delorean.
@@LoreReloaded Hey! They spent a lot of Latium for that Phone Box.
Seriously Fenregi and Klingon culture goes deeps
@@LoreReloaded I lived on Guam for 13 years. On Black Construction"s hq lot sits a TARDIS, an actual English police box. I could never get an explanation why it was there.
Bear in mind Ferengi culture basically encouraged women to become gold-diggers. Their main legal means for acquiring wealth was to marry and find a way to swindle their wealth from their husbands (like what happened to Rom).
While by no means was their attitude towards women fair, in a specifically Ferengi way women did seem to have freedoms enough to represent the worst aspects of traditional capitalism. In this respect A gold-digger who doesn't really love her husband (just his wealth) reflects that.
I did actually resent the way they changed ferengi culture in DS9, it's sort of culturally supremacist to assume they would just overnight to become like the federation. Also they were more fun as profiteering a-holes
It would be so amazing if CBS made a Ferengi show. That would be my dream. Knowing CBS though, they would all probably be flying around in 23rd century Starfleet shuttles.
Im just imaging the dinosaur comedy show but with Ferrengi lol
They would never make a show about them, to the SJW's that run Star Trek atm, capitalism is the devil.
Looking back on DS9 Quark was the character that had the least character growth. However ironically I think he was the moral narrator of the series. Challenging Sisko on his hewmon ideal especially when they were no longer an asset. Also bringing up how dangerous Human and the federation is when they don’t get their way.
I got the impression in the TNG episode that at that time they did not really have a firm grasp of what the Ferengi were, just the base concept of them. In DS9 they got to be fleshed out as a species.
I love what DS9 did with the Ferengi. They were terrible as villains but they are excellent comical reflections of contemporary humans. They are easily my favorite Star Trek race.
The Ferengi are really one of the most interesting and complex species in all of Star Trek. Vulcans are logical, Klingons are warriors, Romulans are duplicitous, but Ferengi, while mostly capitalist, have some variance even within that which isn't seen in the defining traits of other species. Some have a militaristic bent, like the ones portrayed in TNG, even into the episode where some Ferengi nearly commandeer the Enterprise. But then others want to make their name known through the sciences, such as Dr. Reyga with the development of Metaphasic Shields, or even Rom as an engineer. Even Brunt isn't portrayed as a typical Ferengi in that his motivations, while certainly containing an economic element, are more political. There seems to be a willingness to go outside the typical portrayal for Ferengis than just about any other species in Star Trek.
They are basically humans, but a more finer ones. They won't destroy and kill others they don't understand. Which is why they are interesting they are us without being barbaric
@@kennethleangabriel8681 Except thousands of years of enslaving more than half their population and putting profit above all else. No, they weren't barbaric.
The Ferengi really do personify the old saying, "speak softly but carry a big stick". They negotiate 1st.
Wasn't it said somewhere, probably in Bets Canon, that the Ferengi in the first TNG episode only acted that way as a means to appear more intimidating to the Federation, as they heard of and were somewhat worried about them.
The ironic thing to me, the Ferengi Alliance and the Federation are similar in a number of aspects. The Socialist Utopia against the Capitalist Semi-Distopia. Both sides prefer to talk first, neither really want to engage in open war, and both somehow make their political and economic cultures work despite all logic saying that it really shouldn't in a universe that has as many dangers as it does in Star Trek. It's just fascinating to learn more about Ferengi culture and contrast it to that of Starfleet's in that regard.
I legitimately love the rules of acquisition. I need to get it again, it's a great read.
Well lore why you want the ferengi on your side in a war is the same reason you want to be the banker in monopoly
The Ferengi are very interesting to say the least, and they certainly didn't do so bad throughout the Trek series when you consider they were introduced to be enemies of the Federation in TNG
I know it's not true but in my headcannon Harry Mudd was the person who sold them warp technology
As stated by Quark i believe, the Ferengi race has been around for over 2000 years. I think that there exploration of space predates Harry Mudd. But hey, its your headcannon...
@@MonteLeeMyPOV well, according to STD Mudd did dabble in time manipulation.
@@stryletz discovery doesn't even make sense, just pretend it its in its own timeline called discovery
For me , i always laughed when people say ferengi goverment. Or they have a capatist system...
I always think of them as a big company. Not a government or system etc. They had the CEO: nagus . And then everything below it.
I never thought about it that way but that's a good point. Your not wrong
Its more corporatism crossed with theocracy than capitalism imo. Grand Nagus is both CEO and religious leader, hence why Zek could rewrite Ferengi societal norms so quickly when stuff like that usually takes decades if not centuries, you do not question the boss/pope
This is actually a good point. It's a planetary pseudo monopoly. Maybe this explains why despite my mostly libertarian leanings I absolutely love this species. Most people would say they are making fun of extremely fiscally conservative types but I never really truly felt that with them.
Corporate law
Appearantly Gene Roddenberry and the writters of TNG wanted these guys to replace the Klingons and become the main badies of TNG but due to the way they were characterized noone took them seriously and the idea was scrapped (thank God). Thankfully DS9 did the species justice
It was the whip weapon...made it look like an electrified sex toy was being used to hurt people.
Quark is one of my favorite characters in DS9, & i would have liked to have seen more variety in ferengi starships ! 😎
So, humans remind vulcans of themselves; so it's a little easy to say that ferengi reminds star trek humans of themselves as well
The Ferengi is one of the best fleshed out races in the whole of Star Trek, if not the best, we see various sides to them.
In regards to miltray, honestly, I don't think the Ferengi have a serious miltray, they likely have a few war ships for protecting the prized asset of their home world and whatever colonies they have, but I think the bulk of their miltray is, liquidators, whose job it is to enforce Ferengi laws and dish out punishment to those who require it.
*still curious about what Law of Acquisition stated "Loose Lips, Fall Off" and the historical mythology surrounding its first utterance and what transaction took place where the name of the one speaking and how exactly they lost their lips in the process and where they might be now*
Honestly Archer didn't delt with them the best possible way. considering the circumstances he was under. They could have killed him and his crew.
I have always harbored a fascination with the Ferengi. As others have stated. There was always unexplored nuance in their culture. Their seeing profit as what Paul Tillich called an "ultimate concern" have them a flexibility in areas where other people's would be predictably rigid.
Whether it is sloppy writing or intent, the fact that the story the Ferengi tell themselves doesn't match the reality on display is illustrative of this nuance. It is precisely what you would find from a long standing proud culture, that always must face challenges of respectability.
DS9 and the Star Trek universe was brilliant in that they made us love Ferengi in that show where we hated them before. Cardassians too. Way to go STU.
This song has my gelato flowing.
why do I remember there being a Ferengi on The Animated Series??
Rules of Acquisition #34 War is good for business.
I always had a soft spot for the Ferengi, since, IMO, they are the most "accurate" alien species out there (ie. i terms of being proponents of a completely free market capitalism). Even have a copy of the "Rules of Acquisition", too.
The Ferengai were so poor written on TNG . The first on screen I looked forward to the clash of ideologies between UFP and the Alliance . Sadly the Ferengai become the Three Stooges in a not funny way until DS9 .
Non-violent? Remember the eliminators in Ferengi society are professional hitmen. Also I often thought that the Ferengi military was made up of alien mercenaries like Nausicaans.
*In regards to this video's demonetization*, I think speech-recognition software picked up on a few "scary words" like "slur" and "slavery" and the reviewer was too lazy to actually watch the video to verify.
"The finest browns and beiges throughout the land".... DEAD hahah lol *crying*
In TNG the Ferengi where a bar bones race with just a skeleton history that was only added to when they where needed. Basically if the plot didn't include the Ferengi in an episode then they where ignored. The race got a full on bible with DS9 that established who they where as a culture and how they fit in the Trek world.
To bad the Borg bible wasn't as well thought out.
You may not like them. But you gotta respect them.
Because of ds9 ferengi are my favorite star trek race by far
Was they really "laissez faire" though? They had the government and the Ferengi Commerce Authority (FCA) governing the economy. And there was corruption of power.
No, I'd say that's the inevitable result of a free market system. The people with the money make the rules.
i would 100% watch a star trek series based on the Ferengi
The problem at the end of DS9 is that they went from one extreme to the other. Doing away with women can't wear clothing, and not invest, or start a business was a good change. But, they added social benefits, and that would eventually hurt their economy.
I thought in the scene of quark's talk with Garak's he made the case that it was interacting with Starfleet and the Federation to a larger extent is witches what gradually or 'insidiously' brought about change in the Ferengi Alliance .
The main issue I have always had with the Ferengi is a culture so obsessed with making profit would never advance. There shouldn't be any teachers, scientist, or even civil servants or laborers, as there would be no profit in it.
I loved the house of Quark episode .. .. the ferangi made ds9 more enjoyable .
Quark is the greatest comedic character in Star Trek.
The Ferengi are one of my favorite Star Trek races but there are a couple of things that has always bothered me. First the idea that the Ferengi are ruthless capitalists is laughable because a lot of what they do doesn't make any sense in a capitalist economy. Rather it seems like a cartoonish version of what a capitalist would be. Second is the fact that when the Grand Nagus travels, he does so alone or with one assistant. He is the leader of an entire race of people, and would have a huge court of assistants, mid managers, and assorted security everywhere he traveled to. Think about the president merged with the queen of England and that would be close to what the Grand Nagus would require. Not to mention that he wouldn't venture close to the wormhole for security reasons.
I assumed that the word huu-mon was a word native to their language, and doesn't have a direct translation into English. The universal translator does this for the Klingons too. All people's food is presented with the species mother tongue, and there's several words in Klingon that don't seem to have a universal meaning.
They are one of my favorite species
I remember when many critics accused the creators of the show of being anti Semitic. It did come across that way.
If Ferengi wives were slaves by another name, why wasn't Rom able to prevent his first wife from leaving him? We know he didn't want her to go, but go she did. A slave can't do that.
Actually it does make a certain amount of sense that slavery would go against Ferengi ethics. Their religion is based around the private ownership of productive property, and the most fundamental productive property is one's own ability to do work. If I enslave you, you are not the owner of your labor. I can see where there'd be a taboo against that.
?? Females are not allowed to make transactions ... Providing workforce to obtain moneys/gold/gold pressed latinium / or anything else is a transaction ...
THere for females are not allowed to work, but to have property in benefit of their male familymembers. Because in that case they can fully focus on their own business...
reminds me of Saudi slightly
It always unnerved me to see them hitting each others ears. Like punching your friend in his junk.
Very well done.
1:12 Considering what we saw? Of course I don't believe him, atleast not fully. The Ferengi clearly practised slavery towards females and other species, engaged in large scale piracy and quite likely proxy wars since they bothered to include "war is good for business" in the rules of acquisition.
As for concentration camps I can believe they used such a camp to conduct genocide for the sake of genocide, but I wouldn't put it past them to create "labour camps with awfully high death rates and inhabited purely by undesirables" like the pro-American Revolution Europeans did in the Americas.
5:00 Well yes. As Lenin said "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." Then there's Dengist China that basically managed to catch up with the USA in but a few decades by adopting this strategy.
5:32 That's kind of understanding how the Federation could quite literally crash every single powers' bar the Romulans, Dominion and Borg economies by just exposing them to a pure post-scarcity society. They only don't do that because they likely find it morally reprehensible and because Section 31 cannot control the entire Federation economy for obvious reasons. But I wouldn't put it past then to try to crash the financial sector or something via viruses and misinformation.
actually the Ferengi may not see it as slavery
@@mrbojangles8133 that doesn't mean it's not slavery.
It makes sense that Ferengi would be anti-slavery abolitionists:
Slavery denies a Ferengi the right to profit!
So, according to TNG's account of first contact with the Ferengi, human women are "forced" to wear clothing. That is to say that Ferengi women are *free* to be publicly naked. But from what I see here, according to DS9, Ferengi women are *forced* to be publicly naked, and clothing is now a "freedom". Continuity error detected!
DS9 effectively retconned the Ferengi. I generally ignore what TNG says about them.
Not really it was never up to the women the men decided it was better for women to be naked and found it barbaric to clothe them. We never got the female side of that till DS9 and even then it was shocking to the males that they would choose to wear clothes
Talk with a religious nutjob about women's clothing... They will pretend that you are dressing your own daughter in a bikini by force while their ideology gives them the freedom to not be objectified
Quarks character reminds me of House. I think it's just me though lol.
As Eddie Murphy said “Cant let ‘em have clothes. ‘Cause if they have clothes, they’re gonna have pockets and then they gotta have something to put in the pockets!”
BTW, what was the word that makes the internet crazy?
the military was rolled into space faring in general but mining in particular.
By the end of the TNG-VOY era, the Cardassians, Klingons and Romulans were all declining and faced serious problems.
Meanwhile the Ferengi had grown and were reforming far more painlessly and quickly than the other powers. Rom's reforms would have taken an already growing power and potentially rocketed them ahead.
Their economic influence could make them de facto kingpins of a non-Aligned confederation. Reasonably friendly with everyone, no ones blood enemy.
5:33 What word and what is this in reference too? I'm legitimately asking, I'm missing something but I do not know what.
Edit: Okay, so "universe" was the word, but I still don't get the joke.
I have been trying to figure this out as well. Apparently I am not one of those affected by it. What is the problem with that? Not trying to stir the pot, but I am baffled by this. It can be a PM if this would cause an issue. I just don't get it.
It should be Galaxy not Universe
@@Rumple108 I don't see how using that terminology would be so problematic. True, _Star Trek_ takes place almost entirely within the Milky Way, but the _"Star Trek_ universe" would simply mean the totality of the canon. The same as the "Marvel Cinematic Universe." I can't imagine why that would be an upsetting term.
In the very first sentence, you're going backwards in time: "From roughly 5000 BCE to 8000 BCE" - 8000 BCE is *before* 5000. BCE counts down, not up.
Cool
Brilliant
The only thing that really bothers me about Ferengi culture is the thing about females not earning profit, having jobs, or generally being involved in business. They were so focused on earning profit and yet they not only eliminated but actively illegalized half their potential workforce and profit generation. By the time that side of the Ferengi was shown, they were more fleshed out as a species and less of a direct parody of western capitalism so the gender bias seems like it's out of place.
They are an interesting race.
Ferengi also believe in reincarnation.
There is context to use the term universe. It is after all the star trek universe being discussed. You also did not specify the whole universe so there's no problem here.😁👍
I find it somewhat odd that the Ferengi are supposed to be a somewhat exaggerated capitalist society hell bent on profit yet never actually used slavery.
Slave revolts are bad for busines
most slavery covers unskilled labour which tends to be less productive, sure slaves can work fields, but compare what the slaves could produce to the power of a tractor. now you might say but wouldn't slaves be cheaper, probably not between acquisition, feeding, housing and security to ensure the slaves don't rebel. furthermore if a slave is injured, it takes time and care for them to recover whereas a tractor at most just needs a replacement part or two to be back in action
"Racial slur against the united states"
and what race would the united states be?
Are you ethnically yanky? lol
Indeed
@@LoreReloaded you're full of shit.
Least I know when a joke is occurring or not ;)
@@thomaswhite3059 I think your precious feelings might be too fragile for this channel, maybe take your viewership somewhere else if you don't like the content
Hold on a second at 2:18 you are show and talking about the Ferengi but stated the unknown species was Borg.
The thumbnail. When Quark had roms nose.
Weird.
I always thought it was a little sad that the Ferangi were first portrayed as very powerful, mysterious, but then just ended up being cowardly greedy space hobbits more than anything in most cases...
I like this new series, maybe a lesser-known species next?
I was scraping on the ferengi if you can believe it. I’m going to do every species that has at least some depth
@@LoreReloaded I feel like there are a lot of species that we see a lot of, but there isn't really all that much specific history in the alpha canon... But hopefully you'll be able to scrape together a few more episodes at least
From what I heard the Ferengi were supposed to be the ultimate TNG baddies...but they came off as cartoonish and thus we have the Borg...until Janeway got her grubby lil mitts on them
Capitalism isn't just "trade." The Federation engages in trade. They likely would have met with the Kurima.
None of the Ferengi noticed the, "waiter." that accompanied Quark to the Gamma Quadrant noticed she was female.
Anyone ever notice on Star Trek that regardless of the species good/bad reputation, all species are relatively nationalistic to their homeworlds and accept their history. Ferengi respect their culture, cardassians are proud of cardassia, romulqns, klingons, and Terrans too. Even if they travel in time, they take pains not to interfere in the past because they are content with their future situation(in the case of Terrans NOT the ferengi obviously.) Its probably because regardless of what paradise looks like, since all species would have different views on that, they all know what hell could be-at least personally. Those kind of undercurrents are my favorite part of star trek-at least real star trek-not the new bullshit that ignores lore like discovery.
it's true that modern ferngi holodecks are superior to federation technology even though their understanding of software limits them, unlike in the federation there are holodecks of various technology levels throughout their civilization.
I loved the ferengi in ST DS9.
They are greedy, cunning, cowards but true businessman.
I liked the episode when the Nagus liberate the females and let them earn money. It was logicaly explained why and how this was good for all ferengi to earn more profit.
BUT in the last few episodes I feeled bad for the old Nagus. He was manipulated by Quark's mom to do questionable and unprofitable progressions. In this profit focus society this is very bad and then give the leadership to Rom. I liked Rom, but he did nothing to be a real ferengi Nagus and lead his people to more profit.
the ferengi are an interesting species. thay manage to stay on par with the federation, which has had the aid of the vulcans, and several other species to prop them up. of course the ferengi operate completely on their own. when on screen they are a cartoonish version of laze fair capitalist, bending to fit the episode and series as plot requires. at the end of the day though they are managing to keep pace with the federation despite not getting a bunch of handouts, which i guess is a subconscious concession that capitalism is better than socialism.
In the two part Enterprise borg episode I'm pretty confident the borg are never named. The writers specifically have them leave off the "we are the borg" part of their typical hail. Was still really stupid, I mean how the hell did 24th century borg lose to the crap technology of united earth's starfleet.
@Yuki BabaYaga Doesn't explain how they are able to gun down drones left and right with their crappy phase pistols with very little adaptation occurring. They seem to kill more individual drones than any other previous crews' encounters with the borg.
i wonder, if Ferengi history remembers J'Bezos as the worst grand nagus of all time...
Del Boy in space
The Ferengi prove one thing: It is not the system that is the problem, but the people who wield it. A corrupt person will always find a way to make any system work for them alone, and a paragon will always find a way to make a system work for everyone. Focus on individual actions, not those of a collective group/system.
ture but some systems try to regulate how much power a person can get with greed, and then there are other ones which embrace ruthless greed like is somthing desirable.
@@negrebnegreb9721 Only regulation I've ever seen is democracy, and even then, the deck can be heavily stacked.
When will you do a Dukat analysis?
I’ve done a few
It is the most Ferengi thing possible to overturn a large part of society in the name of greed.
Lore, maybe Borg species designations are actually a priority list of assimilation? The higher the number, the higher their value and priority.
all that progress and yet still no dentistry
All joking aside, what could possibly be objectionable in this video? Nothing.
Now for the in-universe stuff: I’ve never quite bought the idea that Enterprise-D made first official contact, despite the dialog that seemed to imply that. It just doesn’t make any sense. The Federation clearly knew OF them. They had literally engaged with them militarily in at least one skirmish (Stargazer), and watching the show, my impression in TNG’s early days, is that there had been more than that. Or at the very least, season 1 Starfleet saw the Ferengi as a military threat. Later, that’s kind of retconned into the Federation seeing them only as a bunch of capitalistic buffoons (you know, because capitalism is bad). But they were clearly seen as major players throughout the Alpha and Beta Quadrants-and they didn’t just get that way in the few years between season 1 TNG and DS9. Clearly, they had been networking for a long time. And “Enterprise” encountering them in the 22nd century would tend to imply that Ferengnar isn’t all that far away from Earth. So, if all these races have been trading or at least having contact with the Ferengi for clearly decades, if not centuries, then where the hell has the Federation been?? How is it that the ever expanding Federation never heard of these guys? It makes the Federation look like the clueless isolationists. There MUST have been SOME kind of Federation contact with the Ferengi prior to the Enterprise-D, even if it was limited because the woke Federation objects to them or something. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.
"I wonder, if I going to keep saying that word in a way that irritates them for the next month for my own amusement.
"
Yes, yes you will.
I don't get it. Is it because he should be saying galaxy?