Patriarch Bartholomew invites Pope to Jerusalem to celebrate historic anniversary
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- en.romereports.com The main leader of the Orthodox Church said he hopes they can meet in Jerusalem this year, to mark the 50th anniversary of the famous hug between their predecessors, Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras. .
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Blessed be when Christians are true brothers!
This was really touching. May we all be one... from an Anglican.
Your "church" was founded because Henry VIII wanted some you-know-what.
I'm not judging you, I'm genuinely asking. Considering the Catholic and orthodox church can trace their history back to the early followers of Christ, why be Anglican?
@@TsarOrthodoxBro_II Catholic must jump to the early followers of Christ, or use the Orthodox path to them.
May God unit all of us.. God bless
Amen and Amen!
May God unite all christians!!
🙏Appa💞Amen 🙏🙏Appa💞Amen 🙏🙏Appa💞Amen 🙏
This is one of the reasons I could not be happier with the selection of this Pope, who was the ordinary of the eastern rites in Argentina, that is, he knows the eastern traditions very well and may be the one we need to reunite the 5 sees.
Oh! That we may breathe with both lungs again, and soon.
I'm reading some of the replies to this video-- which shows a profound reverence, respect and love between two successors of the Apostles--and it is filled with the venom and hatred of the Deceiver. This is scandalous! Our Lord prayed that we might be one as He and The Father are One, yet we bicker and stab each other in the back via an impersonal medium. Why don't all you Catholics who hate the Pope and you Orthodox who hate the Patriarch find a nice dry cave somewhere and hate each other and the world in silence until you wither away or the Lord returns in Glory; maybe in the mean time the Holy Spirit will teach you Charity and Humility. Either way you'll be out of the way so that the work of Our Lord can continue unabated. Lord Jesus Christ, have Mercy! Blessed Virgin Mary, Theotokos, Mother of the Church and Queen of Apostles, pray for us!
🥰🇸🇰🇺🇸🇮🇱🇬🇧and the rest. Please god let’s us love each other. 🙌
Its önly through ur mercies oh lord,4 saving me from sins.
The Church does breathe with both lungs - don't forget about the Eastern Catholic Churches. ;)
As an Orthodox, I think it’s normal to have relationships with other Christians, including the clergy, so why talk so ugly about Patriarch Bartolomeu? These meetings between Francis, the bishop of Rome, and the patriarch are not for finding solutions and compromises for the sake of a formal union with Rome, because we all know that a true union will’ be only at Parousia, they are just meetings, because it’s something normal to not isolate from the other Christians.
this is inaccurate. They never excommunicated each other. The envoys excommunicated each other.
The pope excommunicated the patriarch n vice versa
Holy father.
This is good
Amen to that!
zulmme I am in favor of lifting the excommunication against the orthodox by the Catholics. But I do not I believe, what you have said that some of the Catholic teachings to be in grave error, NAY! & not Peter the Apostle. Jesus prayed for Him that His faith may not fail?, : Luke 22:31-32 "Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers."
You´ve made some excellent points however the excommunications were lifted in 1965 by Paul VI and Athenagoras I.
therefore there is no reason not to be united. i hope communion will formally declared when pope Francis visits to the holy land.
louie casper It´s not up to Pope Francis alone. The Orthodox must agree and it is a difficult task because of the different Patriarchates with different points of view. Also some doctrinal issues must be resolved like the famous "filiquoe" clause in the Creed. However we must continue praying for this union since it was what Christ wanted.
it's funny how the two bowed to each other 2:19
God is great
ايري بمحمد
They are two different icons. Same subject. Watch the 2 u-tubes were they are featured and you will see the differences in composition.
What did Pope John Paul 2nd say about Christian Unity? He said, I wish all Protestant churches would come back to the One, True and Apostolic Church! Should Pope Francis quote Pope John Paul 2nd? I hope he does!
josephsiler1946 the Protestants are going to be a hard wrk. they have so many churches. they are not grouped together in parishes or diocese.....
Well he sure did
@Shao Yu Mai Wang I respect that and I have great respect for the Orthodox tradition. Yet I hope you are not rejecting christian unity to preserve your identity. History shows a unified faith accentuated through diversity. It was how the church grew. But differences also became a scourge when the church grew beyond a certain mass.
There is much consolation that the Orthodox tradition by and large still holds the 4 marks of Christ's church. And the Catholic church continues to fight to preserve the orthodoxy of Christ's teachings in a secularised world.
Love and friendship from a brother in Christ.
orthodox is not protestant... orthodox starts way before catholic church /:
@@reigenlucilfer6154 what do you say ???
what a nice comment
Nice pop and beutiful i love you x
Here is a synopsis of our exchange, you are confused. You wrote that the Church can breathe with both lungs if the eastern orthodox and Rome were joined. I informed you they cannot unless the Orthodox recognize Vatican council I. The Holy Spirit declared in that council that all souls must be joined to the papacy for salvation. For a Catholic to recognize the orthodox as in the Church the orthodox must accept this. My first post was removed because people didn’t like this truth and dogma.
zulmme in that verse Luke22:31-32: [31-32] Jesus' prayer for Simon's faith and the commission to strengthen his brothers anticipates the post-resurrectional prominence of Peter in the first half of Acts, where he appears as the spokesman for the Christian community and the one who begins the mission to the Gentiles (Acts 10-11).
We know that we are inside the Truth of Christ , we know that inside the true Church we stand on the path of salvation, we live in truth and expect eternal life, everything inside this Truth. Martyrs advice was to keep Orthodoxy, the faith of our parents and ancestors, without despising other faiths.
Even if sometimes Patriarch Bartholomew is wrong, we must pray to God to gives him wisdom and not muck up Church’s image by insulting him. Heretics are all those who have thrown their cross and left the Church because of Patriarch Bartholomew’s errors or other clergy, and from outside they try to destabilize the church. Orthodoxy is a joint effort of living life according to truth, not an individual isolation in Christ.
this is indeed tragic however the Church itself is not to blame nor does that particular poison change the entire Church into posion
These orthodox churches are the seeds of the great evangelism of Saint Paul the apostle
Normel Lamela Orthodox Churches are seeds of Apostles Peter, Paul, Andrew, Mark, Jacob, etc...
+Orthodox Church yes this man is correct. many seeded these churches, add in thomas in the far east. and whoever else we missed
Have faith in the Holy Spirit, for it is not men who will bring about anything holy, but ultimately God Himself in however He pleases. After 2,000 years and filled with sinful men and scandal, it is indeed a work of the Lord that our Church still stands.
Did Metropolitan Hilarion say Muchas Gracias?
Yes.
Originally Bible was written in what language?
the pope is the patriarch of the Latin rite catholic church and at the same the universal pastor for all christian churches on the world.
No, not exactly. In the orthodox church he is seen as the bishop of Rome but he does not have authority over the orthodox church the way he does with the Catholic church.
Cant just Andrew accept that Peter is older than him by blood. The Orthodox I think treats this issue politically wherein it is not. We are no longer at the time where the emperors ruled and when religion and state are one entity.
***** As far as I know in the Gospels, Peter was the head of the 12 Apostles and our Lord has given to Him the "keys of the kingdom" as Mathew 16 teaches us. Even Paul seeked communion to the pillars of the Church, to Peter then to the rest as Galatians Chapter 2 would mention. James was never mentioned first in the gospels, its is always Peter then the rest of the 12. Peter was the final person to spoke in the dispute in the Council of Jerusalem as to accept uncircumcised gentiles or not...se Acts of the Apostles. They even waited for Peter to go inside the tomb first during the ressurrection. Peter was the first one to proclaim that Jesus is the Son of the Loving God. Whoever is the head does not depend on geographical locations whether its Jerusalem, Istanbul, Alexandria or Rome it is about....to whom Jesus Chrsit has given the "keys", hence Petet is the prime minister of charity for all Christians and not James. Jesus said to Peter 3 times..."do you love me", Christ said...feed my sheep.
The pope exists because he has been a stabilizing influence in Rome when the Western Roman Empire came crashing down and the Romans needed an authority that transcended their new Germanic barbarian rulers. East Roman Empire sought the Bishops of Rome's help and to a degree fostered the independence and growth of the new papacy when reconquering lost Western Roman lands. If any East Roman emperor nipped the papacy in the bud then the Catholic Church would not have existed. The claim that the Pope has rightful reign over all of Christendom is absurd.
adamantis4557 Its my personal decision to be shepherd by the St Peter the Apostle who is the Chief of the 12 Apostles. You sound like a Protestant my friend. Anyway, still pray for me. Ill pray for you too. We are still both Christians afterall.
That is so wrong it is Painful, Father Hugh O'Flaherty, Father Jules-Gerard Saliege, and many more helped the Jews. Infact nearly 80,000 baptismal certificates were issued by Church authorities to Jews which helped save there lives. And Archbishop Gerlier of Lyons and Bishop Thias of Mantauban, their protest was backed by a highly effective rescue and shelter campaign. 200,000 lives were saved because of this.
Which language are they conversing ing?
italian
COUNTRY WITHOUT MERCY !
You sound more like a Buddhist, making references to the past as if you actually took part in them. Remember, you are in the world, not of the world, which might make you question your ultra-nationalist proclivities. I am an Orthodox Christian as well, but you might note that no Roman Catholic or Orthodox priest stood up to Hitler and the Third Reich. A humble Lutheran pastor and scholar named Bonhoffer took on that role as an example to the rest of us. May his memory be eternal.
"Dialogue with other Christian denominations"... about 33,000 of them, may God have mercy.
You mistake friendly relationships and moving together towards the only Truth which is Christ (that would be for me the definition of ecumenism) and the relativism and religious syncretism that pretends that all religions are equal. Every decent Christians know that it is not true. Why are you talking about jews and muslims? The Union between the Roman Church and the Orthodox Church IS possible and desirable because it once existed, and because Christ want it restored.
Tu es Petrus yes i agree to that and same with me as i desire that the two church becomes one. I know its possible . i remmember a theologian priest tells us that if it happens that theres no catholic church in that country and only orthodox church is available and if we want to attend a mass . the nearest simmilarity to the catholic church was the orthodox church and so we can also have a valid Eucharist .... And see i love that....
(contd'),not Rome?!
And then they went to Jerusalem on a visit to pray together in jesus grave,they went to jesus birthplace too in bethleem and they set it on fire.Yes the cave that Mary gave birth to jesus caught fire in their visit
Argiris argi, confirmed
www.google.com.ar/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/bethlehem-church-nativity-catches-fire-pope-visit-middle-east
these papists also seam to bring arsonists, you can see it at the end of the article. Better to keep the cult of rome as far away from us as possible, you dont invite the devil nor any thief into your house.
We can recognize some cultural or human values in the religions of our co-religionists as manifestations of their aspiration towards the same God.Ecumenism is to consider other religions as God's revelation, to consider that Christ by his concrete and transcendent universality contain them and exceeds any cultural and religious form,so it means an absolutization of relative,which leads to relativization of the absolute,by adopting some ecclesiology concepts and practice of others religious.
Nothing will come of this.
Viva il Patriarca di Costantinopoli Bartolomeo e il Papa di Roma Francesco.
The premise of your post to me was condemned by Pope Pius X in Lamentabile, this premise that Catholic truths are a kind of interpretation of religious facts, which the human mind by a laborious effort prepared for itself is condemned. You write “institutionalized shame, guilt and anxiety which inherently prevents people from thinking, thus, keeping them ignorant from what is true.” Religious truth cannot be discovered through thinking, encumbered by shame or not.
Bartholomew acts on his own, without any consideration of the other Orthodox leaders. What does he hope to accomplish by hobnobbing with the pope? He should be involved with the other Orthodox Patriarchs and solving the issues that confront Orthodoxy.
zulmme in verse Luke Verse 31 moreover: [31] All of you: literally, "you." The translation reflects the meaning of the Greek text that uses a second person plural pronoun here.
It is well that Christian denominations are reconciling since false Christianity and militant secularism are both rampant in Western society.
There are a lot of cases about molesting children and not only from the priest but also from the protestants pastors, school teachers, parents,.. you name it. But because the Catholic church has been attack to those who hated it (the devil himself), so by all means they will find any weak point to destroy it. But Jesus promise that even the gate of Hell will not prevail. Be careful of what you may trowing to, you might end up hitting the Son of man.
Your brother in Christ
I'm not blind neither stupid, I can see what’s happening in the Church ( some people are wrong), but only the Church can put an anathema, not me or you. Your comment regarding Patriarche Bartholomew denotes arrogance.
1) The third council which u refer to forbade any additions of a different faith, not any additions at all.
2) It forbade them from the original Niceen Creed without the Constantinopolitan addition, so if ur interpretation is correct (that is no additions whosoever) we are both heretics.
Is this how you will talk of their mother's faith to any potential children you may have? Fanatic nationalism is not patriotism and whilst I approve of the latter the former is antithetical to Christianity. Nor are the Orthodox and extinct species as distinct from the Byzantine empire.
As a Catholic I would worry very greatly at that point!
Amin
I wouldn't necessarily concentrate on whether you're sexist or not tho' some would argue that you are,lol.As for 'tradition' I'd suggest that some traditions ought not endure.Certainly in the UK the issue of women serving on the 'front line' is still being debated,but at least it is accepted that female personnel do make a valuable contribution to the Services.Yes,it IS a contensious issue. Ok,time for breakfast,haha,all this debating has left me hungry!
Wrong. Saint Theodosius of the Kiev Caves (one of the greatest saints who ever lived) said that by honoring other faiths we dishonor our own.
Your attitude reflects the time period and culture in which you live.
This sadly reminds me of a certain small minority of people in my own country who never lose an opportunity to teach the youngsters that the English can never be trusted. Your last line is at odds with the Christian message. Events should be remembered, but you are preaching an ultra nationalistic message mixed with Christianity which is antiethical to Christianity ultimately. Every time Christians east or west have done so it leads to tragedies like the ones you describe.
Canon XLVI of the holy Apostles: We order any Bishop, or Presbyter, that has accepted any heretics Baptism, Sacrifice to be deposed; for what concourse has Christ with the Devil?..Canon XLV of the holy Apostles: Let any Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon that merely joins in prayer with heretics be suspended...the Orthodox Hierarches have scandalised the Faithful with the Heresy of Ecumenism.
The voice over is crap!
She needs learn how to correctly pronounce the names in the story.
Greeka vanna in pasu api avankava viyavsthaava hadamu
hes not the leader of the orthodox church
Stop readding the Talmud!!!
From the least to the greatest,
all(AB) are greedy for gain;(AC)
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit.(
You know Lefebvre propaganda is like LSD. It makes you to have illusions and paresthesias.
check this video in youtube (Passion of Jesus: Son of Mary)
this is a better meeting and not receiving him in honor. hopefully this will lead towards the consecration of russia
The consecration of Russia to what? Rome and the West needs to be consecrated.
TrueOrthodox Faith Our Blessed Lady of Fatima asked for it, for a reason.
Or are you gonna claim it was a demonic apparition?
Marco Arecibo What was the reason? Do you really relive that the Virgin Mary makes predictions?
Of course the RC Church no doubt doesn't view such issues as important as perhaps others do.He has stated that homosexuals should be 'treated with respect'.I imagine this is as far as we will go on that particular topic.For decades the official line from both Rome & the Anglican Church was that there were many important positions within the Church for women as Laiety with no need for Ordination.The Anglicans in England have managed,in the main,to accept women priests.It begs the question,why
Jesus Christus is the Way off Haven .Islam is the Way off Hell
Amen and I will not argue that the Papacy has at times foolishly got involved in wordly secular politics that have led to a great deal of bloodshed.
The Pope is a sinner like all men, any Catholic who denies this would be misrepresenting Catholic teaching. St. Peter, whom we of course view as the first Pope, was an example of this as he was a great sinner and a great saint.
Unfortunately this spirit of disunity hit even the Mount Athos, some monks throwing their cross and become schismatics, living the illusion that they go where the true path may lead. No matter how disoriented may seem the Orthodox Church today, its “alveoli” contain the whole ecclesiality potential that God gave people at Pentecost so we go where is no path cause we must leave a trail.
It is unfortunate the Church split apart, but until the Papacy can return to its roots, and re-embrace Orthodoxy, there will always be a schism.
NOt the leader
The one Holly Catholics apostolic church is Orthodoks church found by Jesus Christ..
I don’t believe either that Roman Catholics are truly heretics, although I believe some of their teachings to be in grave error. The differences developed over time and as the result of Roman see’s separation from the Church, transforming Christianity into a political ontology, which is peculiar to both Catholics (the pope assumes the pontifex maximus title) and later on to protestants (the Lutheran and Calvin city).
There is only one revelation, and that is Christ and His teachings. That is exactly what is heretical about the ecumenical movement. The Apostles did not compare pagan practices with what Christ taught and come up with something relevant. Salvation is through the faith and belief in Christ, only.
Bartholomew has met with Vatican leaders and popes before. How many times can he be in the wrong?
A woeful message for Christians to promulgate. I would be ashamed of the Catholic OR Orthodox branches of my family if any member talked like this about individuals from the other branch..
Minggat vatican sisan nek mikir menang dewe.
I will believe that the Catholic Church believes in Christian Unity when they make Billy Graham a Saint! ! Billy Graham was the Greatest Christian Evangelist of the Twentieth Century! !
josephsiler1946 He simply cannot be a saint because he rejects the apostolic branches of Christendom. Had he have been a fellow Catholic or one of my Orthodox siblings, it would be different.
The Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ Himself knows what type of sign I would like to give to the world.
This patriarch need to go away. No talking with catolica neider kissing
This is all so academic. For the schism to end one of two things has to happen. The Romans would have to deny the supremacy of the pope and accept the Holy Spirit does not proceed from Jesus. Or the Orthodox recognizes the papacy and that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and Jesus. A political alliance is not unity or an end to the schism. These two conflicting notions cannot be determined by men but only by an infallible source. Does the east have an infallible oracle?
Wish it was only that.Actually pope supremacy is not a problem.Here it goes:
Unleavened bread
Purgatory
Immaculate conception
Infallibility of the Pope
Filioque
The grace of God(what is it?)
Thats it for now😂
@@ΜΑΚΗΣΜΠΑΜΠΗΣ Your ability to respond to this post is by the grace of God.
@@sedevacantist1 Well yes but I actually ment the doctrinal difference between Orthodox Catholic And Roman Catholic church considering the grace of God(Wether if it is created or uncreated)
@@ΜΑΚΗΣΜΠΑΜΠΗΣ The grace of God elevates man to a new existence; an accident in man of an uncreated energy and that doesn’t mean that the energy/grace was created in God. For example, if the gift of prophecy (which is uncreated in God) is given to a man then how can you say that this is something new in God? The orthodox believe that grace is a created and infused substance, heresy.
@@sedevacantist1 The orthodox believe that the energy of God is uncreated thus the Holy spirit works through humans and renews them into a new life.That is the teaching of st.Gregory Palamas.Thomas Aquinas said that we can see and know and commune with Gods essence with is impossible (apostolic teaching) and that Gods grace is created.All that was a result of western scholasticism who tried to explain the mysteries of God with human logic.But based on your sayings we agree?I dont know im not a theologian.
Let's see how THIS pope deals with the real issues,contraception,abortion,women priests,homosexuality.Oh wait,he won't,just like his predecessors.
I know also that Roman Catholics consider us schismatics, saying that orthodox have separated from the Church, by the fact they recognized the bishop of Rome as the first among equals of the pentarchy and not above all, as the pope would have liked it. After the see of Rome separated from the other four see, primer inter pares become the Patriarch of Constantinople.That’s why Orthodox are more exigent when it comes to Patriarch Bartholomew and critique his slip toward a harmful ecumenism.
Вартоломеј није наш лидер, он је патријарх турске и грчке дјаспоре, па и то је био сад је расколник!
@† Roma Invicta † није, поглавар наше помесне цркве је Порфирије, а Вартоломеј је био само први међу једнакима, али пожелевши да буде први без једнаких престао је да буде било шта и нажалост расколом је одпао... А глава Цркве је Христос, а не Вартоломеј.... Вартоломеј је поглавар само хришћана у Турској, грчким острвима и Грчкој дијаспори...
Αναθεμμμμαααααα
Καί η δύο αποστάτες,η μεγάλη αποστασία, αλλά μελετούν τά βόδια, καί άλλα ό ζευγάς.
Και μετά γιατί ο κόσμος πάει κατά διαόλου...
Bartholemew = George soros
This devil`s apprentice is not the main leader of any Orthodox Christian.
Они все актеры и обманщики