Weebs, Anime Piracy, and YOUR Dilemma
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Is streaming on illegal platforms okay? Why do you weebs love piracy? What makes them stick around? What to do with pirated anime?
The modern era gives rise to piracy. At one point it does help spread the anime fandom yet harmful at the same time. So what makes them stick with it or even support it? There's certainly more than meets the eye, so stick around as we delve into the debated controversy.
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I'd argue the problem is also about money. And it's not as simple as "you don't want to pay". I'm willing to pay an euro, maybe two or worst case like three euros for a cheeseburguer. But I better be in a desert starving if you're going to ask for 50. The way anime is spread out with no way to ever assert a given service will have the ones you want to watch (even excluding region locks), let alone all the ones you want to watch, means you'll have to pay for several at any given time, possibly all of them depending on how much your consumption would be otherwise. Paying one service is expensive but doable. Two is pushed. More and you're being asked to pay an absolutely absurd amount. The don't want to pay is a factor of course, but it's not wanting to pay because you're forced to pay a price far beyond a justifiable scope.
Good addition to the point! Yes, definitely agree that sometimes it also isn't how we don't want to pay, but it becomes too overwhelming due to the inconvenient spread of shows into various platforms.
That's not to mention if you're in a poorer country. In my country 1 dollar equals to 40 of local currency. So paying for one service is a hard sell, but paying for multiple? No, thanks
@@raven75257 Lol indeed. I live in SEA and totally feels the weight when it comes to international/foreign payment.
It also doesn't help that services like crunchyroll return very little of that money to the industry itself. We can pay for anime all we like but in the US, we can't fix animators making less than burger flippers in the west
if companies hate me, why shouldn't i hate them?
Oh yes you definitely can. 👀
Btw I know this is about should or shouldn't and not can or cannot but I'm sure you get it.
Exactly, why should I pay a few dollars a month for a worse service when I could easily click through hunderds of ads for a better service that actually has the content I want to watch and all of it instead of only the parts that have been officially released. One Piece is starting to release on netflix in my area but since it's taking forever to catch up so I still use pirate sites even though I could already start to watch it legally. Simply put it, you can't offer a lower quality service for a higher price and expect everyone to follow along just because its "morally right" and buying the official merchandise usually is more profitable for the author and the people who work on it anyways so there's almost 0 point to paying for a subscription service nowadays.
Use a decent AD blocker, and you don't even need to battle the pop-ups. You just watch the anime you want to watch with almost no hassle.
@@MattGarZeroExactly! I’d rather buy something physical and get something more out of the exchange anyway. A disc for my personal library, a poster, a figure, a shirt, a puzzle, a memorabilia item from the franchise, or anything that will show I cared about a series and spent money on it. Especially if I care that deeply for the franchise. I can’t control where the money goes after I pay for the thing, but I can at least say I did my part in trying to support the things I love. Trying to support the works creators make that I enjoyed. Imo, I think I’m doing more that way than giving the money to a streaming service. Especially one who’s only a middle man between me and what I want to consume from Japan.
use Ublock origin. You are just a moron if you arent using an adblocker on your PC browser.
what? sriously? this gets recommended to JUST me? nobody else? one single viewer? and it's not even a random let's play or screen recording? what?
Nah you arent alone my guy, im the second viewer :D
Bruh I am 37th random viewer XD
actually crazy how underrated this is
also here
Thank you for being one of the early birds. Appreciate it!
There is no dilemma. I hate the companies that hate us. I hate the industry that employs VAs and Localizers that hate us. I hate the companies that hate the medium we love. They see the medium as nothing more than something to be abused for their own ends.
It is ethically idiotic for me to give these people money. And I could better support the creators and animators by sending them my money in the mail than if I paid for garbage streaming services.
There is a reason people are sailors.
If you're broke, you can sail the sea for blu rays. If you have money and are willing to compromise on the fact many blu rays get published by scummy companies, you can buy blu rays. But paid streaming services are not where it's at.
Even better if you have that in mind. I also genuinely believe that more direct ways like purchasing the official blurays or figurines will support the creators more. However, I guess some ppl find that hard to access as you mentioned too, hence the debate people keep going about esp here on the internet.
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Huh, "sailors". That's a term I've never heard, and it fits the context very well.
You can be a pirate, and get the stuff for free, or be a sailor, and go look for the thing in a legal way. I like it.
Yeah, i think the biggest issue for anime is a split catalog. If anime specifically is what i want to watch, i dont want to have to buy a monthly subscription to netflix just to watch one or two series that arent on crunchyroll. It doesnt help that crunchyroll and funimation are now one platform with an inferior catalogue, UI, and video player compared to most piracy website. Also theres literally no legal way to watch serial experiments lain in the US.
@@Asic229 True. And I thought the merging with Funimation would've made Crunchyroll a better site at least but man they've already made absolute braindead decision like shutting down the comment section lol.
Availability and the fractured nature of the market. I don't want to lose 100+ dollars a month just because every single thing is hidden behind a different streaming service.
@@Iskelderon True especially people without the "luxury" for this kind of thing. There isn't really one ultimate official site hosting all anime in the library and I doubt we will get one in the foreseeable future. Netflix is, in my opinion, the closest thing to it (cmiiw).
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I'll be flying the black flag till there's an actual good streaming service. I don't think there will be an anime equivalent of Steam for awhile.
That's cool. I mean having an ultimate streaming service for all the shows in the medium does sound like a dream to me.
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I use ad blocker and that stuff doesn't pop up lol
for real, dude hasn't heard of Ublock
Availability is a bitch. Recently I wanted to watch Beserk 1997 and looked up, which platform has it. It's just nowhere! (Probably also having to do with the level of violence depicted in the show.)
I was willing to pay the scam that streaming platforms are but none of them had it. I eventually found out that some people uploaded the full show here on UA-cam, with decent quality even, so that ended up being my choice. I just want to support the official release but it feels like streaming platforms actively want to prevent you from doing so. Not to mention that the creators working on those anime probably don't end up getting a lot of money from the streaming services anyway, though correct me if I'm wrong.
At this point I sometimes consider if just buying everything on blu ray/DVD might even be a cheaper and more convenient option. At least cheaper, if you're only interested in a few select anime.
Can agree with you. Some classic shows are just so hard to come by on the mainstream platforms honestly. There just isn't one platform where everything we need is there, sadly. Also yes from what I know, creators get their fixed % from the distribution profit platforms paid and that's it.
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@@CrescentAnime Yeah, if you're mostly interested in new releases then streaming platforms offer what you need. But watching certain classics can get near impossible.
I guess buying merch is the one true way to support anime creators/studios nowadays. The whole industry is getting more and more fucked...
Well at some point it's not only about current access but also longterm access. For the consumer it's a happy nostalgia trip but for the company it's a money drain I presume?
The great Emulator legal debate and rom/hacks provider sites were / are in a similiar spot for games. Good intentions and lack of any decent alternative, official options; some grayzones, and evnetually the good old copyrights blabla...
All the consumer wishes for is to re-experience a good memory but it's never that simple *or is it* .
@@reviewreaper8508 Agree with you. I guess it really wouldn't make sense for a company to constantly re-release certain anime on blue ray etc. Especially if there is very little demand for certain shows.
Yes, video games have the same problem, and I guess smaller studios/companies don't want to constantly re-release their games for current consoles either. (Big companies don't have that excuse though) So finding a longterm solution will be pretty difficult.
Tho PC games often have better availability through being released on Steam, which to me seems like the best longterm solution we have so far. Nintendo really is the problem child here... Even with services like Switch online they don't offer many options to make their older games accessable to (especially newer) fans. The costumer won't own the games and this service won't be around forever. once the next console generation is around we will be back at square one...
real ones watched lucky star episodes on youtube in 240p split into 4 parts back in the day
The problem is I cannot pay even if I wanted to. The only response to the localization market for my language is _piracy._ Sure, Netflix does _some_ translations, but still 99.98% of anime is not officially localized. This is one reason I am more for AI localization. I get translations faster and I can also support the industry.
Understandable, the variables are everywhere and there's much to consider, even the subs' availability. Even Netflix doesn't seem to afford to sub all their content at the moment. If you care to share, what language are you referring to?
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Don't not touch the billion dollar company.
You showed Muse Asia as a free legal way to watch anime. But there is also a problem with them. Their translations are horrible. I can't say for ani-one because they have so much garbage in between releases and UA-cam's playlist navigation is also horrible for what it is. But it's free so who cares. Generally fan translations can be better than official translations specifically with muse, funimation, and Crunchyroll
I thought this was a sarcasm until the double "not" 👀
Another thing that made me sail the seas, back when, was the translations. I'm one of those people who'd rather have a short translator's note (“Just According to Keikaku”, ya know? ;)) and learn something about E.G. Golden Week, rather having to look up whatever the official US translator localised it to (I'm not from the US, obviously).
Besides, the Swedish dub of Terra E… (the film from 1980, I haven't watched the series yet) makes no sense (especially not compared to the English (official translation))!
But yeah, having to wait for months or even years to maybe get an official translation, which will probably be worse (in some ways) than the fan translations, doesn't always feel very good.
And on the topic of back then, the way I remember it, reading or watching fan translations was pretty much the only way to get access to manga/anime.
Totally agree and it's also a matter of accessibility. Sometimes we just want to consume the story we love but the language barrier hinders us.
I'm currently reading Shadows House (which I must say is an underrated manga) and the only way English speakers are able to access it is by fan translations that are spreading across the internet, or at least for me that is the only way.
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I'm broke
i spend most of my disposable income on anime figures, so I usually watch on piracy sites since they already are getting a lot of money from me. My fave of all time i buy on bluray/dvd though
Lots of people do this also as far as I know. Those legit figurines and blurays' fee will most likely go to the original creators directly as well. And uh, believe it or not I guess figurines are like assets you can even sell again in the future so yeah haha.
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Huh thats weird, normally there would be a swarm of people saying first, must’ve arrived early then I suppose.
Well yes you are one of the early birds. Thanks for watching!
Feel free to share your thoughts if you care to do so :)
u can use an ad blocker and u won't get the pop ups
Ya, that's one of the solutions. Tbh antivirus will do the work as well.
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why are you complaining about ads use an adblocker, also monthly subscriptions should be illegal so pirate everything
Piracy is never just a moral issue. Sure some people will always pirate regardless of the ease of access or affordability because they want to pay nothing and will do anything to that end, but for most its a matter of either convenience or cost. If something isnt too expensive and is convenient, the vast majority will avoid piracy.
The reason so many people pirate anime is that it is a disgusting concoction of both.
The culture of piracy started when anime was literally not available in a lot of places, that stayed even when a lot of newer stuff got officially localised because a lot of old anime was impossible to obtain or obsurdly pricey.
Before the streaming era, the only way to own anime was to pay for blu rays, dvd's or vhs' depending on how old you are, and those were usually obscenely expensive. This made piracy a lot better of an option. There was a free and legal option, to watch it on TV. However it was a very limited number of shows, and often at time slots that were very inconvenient for most.
And as the streaming era came, when piracy for most TV was in the pits because of netflix, for anime, the biggest and best stuff was a lot of the time just not on netflix. It was usually split between multiple streaming services, which would mean you would need to spend a big chunk of money every month to watch the anime you want. And as more streaming services came along, that price tag only increased.
The worst part is, that a lot of the troubles with old and obscure anime being hard to find anywhere has really changed, you can find that shit on streaming services, its just now split between dozens of them.
Anime piracy was always a thing, and the culture of pirating shit kinda just became the norm for people who wanted to watch a lot of anime.
Exactly. Pretty sure all can agree that convenience is what any audience from any medium will want. With such a diverse medium ranging from even the 20th century times, it really sounds impossible to have all the shows in one ultimate platform, sadly.
I Pirate but usually get ahold of dvds/blu rays/manga of shows i like. But alas i am broke
There's no pressure so no worries. At the end of the day it is the feeling of content that makes us continue to consume the media and whether we are going to give back in the form of materials or something else is our own choice.
if netflix is involved i fully support piracy. f'ing up charge for quality they don't even try to deliver on or are inconsistent with.
Sadly some of us here only get Netflix available in the region 💀 which is why platforms like Muse Asia are Godsends.
I agree with most of the guys in the comment section, also western streaming services are censoring anime (both video and translation) so all they receive from me is a middle finger
Are you referring to the media that airs shows on TV? 👀
@@CrescentAnime I mean online. I don't watch TV but probably as well
The reason why im here is because i want to see Monster English Dub
Haven't finished Monster myself, but what about it? 👀
I don't especially identify as broke, but spending 9 man yen (excl VAT & shipping) for a 28 episodes season bluray collection would get quite over my budget if you consider I've watched 5 series on this season. I mean... I'd do the effort for an 11/10 show, but at most one or two per year. Also, streaming services and distributors can go bake themselves as long as they're unable to give us perpetual access to a large back catalog.
AFAIC, my way to give back is by importing CDs and merch for banger shows.
Understandable. I've seen a lot of people mentioned that getting official figurines/blurays helps the original creators better through loyalty fees (I'll have to do research on that, perhaps it's interesting to cover for a next video!) rather than experiencing the inconvenience of certain streaming platforms.
Btw, are you referring to Frieren bluray? is 90k yen still excluding tax & shipping fees? That's like around 600$ AFAIK.
@@CrescentAnimeYup, for Frieren. The VAT is bound to your destination country, that's why I gave the sum without it.
Before I had body hair Streaming anime was not possible and downloading a full episode of an anime could take you a full day on a 56k modem and your video quality would be 240p and lets not forget your tying up the only phone in your house.
Can relate. I guess it wasn't only because we had no $ back then but also cause modern streaming wasn't a thing yet.
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I mostly pirate to watch classic anime’s I was never ever to watch when I was little
Understandable. Classic shows that aired decades ago can be hard to come by on official platforms. Sometimes we just want to enjoy our show.
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Yeah in the good years before the norms came in and turned anime into the same basic storylines.
Uh what are you referring to? If you may elaborate further. 👀
Or perhaps do you mean that it was worth spending to watch way back then?
Ah how young people must be to not torrent. If you weren't usenetting or ftp you missed out... Otherwise it was bootlegs of hardsubbed vhs tapes. Im not that old but its funny how piracy has been with me ever since I've existed. My neighbors were prolific ps1 burners and regularly had hundreds of games by 98-99 and all of them worked.
But I had emulation and didn't need a physical console for long.
Classic, indeed. I lived through the times when torrent was here and there for movies and shows. But I guess the moment I got into anime was when online streaming was already a thing, thankfully. 👀
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having money is nice 👍
Indeed! Would love having much of it myself :)
this guy is underrated
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I prefer torrent's 🗿🍷
Understandable. Especially with how the condition with official streaming sites are now. Saying no to those sites can be tempting 👀
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I’ll see you on the seven seas. Yar har
Aye. Looking forward to seeing ya in the future too!
i cant fucking pay for netflix because i have no credit card and still under 18._.
Been there as well, man!
Truly understandable, we just want to enjoy our shows. If you are in Asia however, there are sites that air some seasonal shows for free as well. So that can be an alternative.
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so my family cant afford shit lol
I VILL WATCH ANIME FOR FREE
AND YOU VILL CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP
I don't even know what to say or expect 👀
love ya man
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What happened to Funimation shows that you don't really own anything that's not on your computer. For that reason I'd prefer to just buy and backup physical media.
Yes that's also a thing to take note of. We are only paying for subscriptions there so some people prefer investing their money to support the industry in other things like the Blu-rays. Understandable.
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If you are buying the physical copies and making backups anyway, then what is the problem with losing digital access on Funimation?
@@tama47_ Losing online access that was supposed to be permanent is the problem. Backing up physical copies and not trusting online "ownership" is the solution.
@@tama47_ We meant that when you are paying for subscription service instead of physical copies of a show then somehow there's a risk of certain shows being taken away as they don't really "belong" to you.
@@CrescentAnime I think what @sasodoma meant is the loss of Funimation digital copies that can only be obtained through purchasing the physical copies. So my argument is that you are not losing your anime, if you buy the physical.
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Wouldn't want to pay for something I don't support/need. (subs, dubs)
Does that mean you are watching raw versions? 👀
@@CrescentAnime I thought most people were by now! Japanese is easy :)
Lol that is actually cool! I am on the learning process and the challenge is actually finding people to do language exchange for practice.
@@CrescentAnime Just watch anime and repeat the character's lines every now and then yourself too. Just from that I was more or less fluent in 2-3 years of anime watching- Approximately 2200 hours of anime watched. Later I learned to read too ofc.
@@sabbysky😂