It's really amazing, just because of how powerful computers are today. Computers beat pro chess players over 20 years ago. There's been so much technological advancements since then... For him to beat such an advanced computer is just absolutely baffeling.
Hey I am from south korea. He actually retired cause of political matter in go organization. He just felt tired with politics. So dont waste time thinking too much. 😅😅
That's sad but also good to hear. I just watched the Alfha-Go documentary and felt so sad for him. He is a real fighter! Wish he enjoy more with his life and family.
@@Mrandrecavalheiro13 I am sure he will continue to play important role for GO community, and we will not need to worry much 😁. Lets just be safe. South Korea already overcome current pandemic as of now. Hope all the other country can do the same.
@@kaoamii Indeed he himself was revolutionary player like Alphago does, and true fighter. But it's 20 years and I am sure he enjoyed GO much. He must be proud of himself since his win was achieved even though he is not at his best now. 😁
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him he was tired of the baduk association
Am deeply impressed by Lee Sedol who will forever be a legend in the great game of Go. I disagree that we should define ourselves by what machines are capable of because by design they are intended to vastly outperform humans. Consider the massive D-11 bulldozer, cranes, trains, and an endless list of other machines. When Lee Sedol took on AlphaGo, he wasn't playing against a single entity like a human opponent; he was taking on hundreds if not thousands of engineers and a cosmically vast computed data base.
I know this is an old comment, but a in fairly recent interview, Lee Sedol said playing w/ AlphaGo made him somewhat change his opinions toward the game Go. He emphasized that when he was first learning Go, he valued it as a form of art and expression, and not just a game. He went on to say that playing w/ AlphaGo made him realize of the changes in the cultures surrounding the Game, and it was one of the main reasons of his retirement. Surprisingly, he doesn't play the game anymore! just once in a while.
Right, and Lee was also taking on a battle against tens of thousands of hours of programming, as they prepared their AI's neural network for the almost endless possibilities. Not a fair fight at all, which speaks to Lee's brain as almost beyond genius in game 4.
@@walkattack And on the side of Lee Sedol it was also not fair: having access to 9am-9pm 7days a week training for years. Poor AlphaGo, they should have given it a strong but not a legendary player in the US or EU. Now because of the unfair advantage that the human had, it had to lose game 4. I hope you see the irony.
Exactly! I don't understand why he cares so much about a computer program beating him that he retires completely. It's like he feels that everything he accomplished in the game was worthless now because he isn't "the best," even though he definitely still is.
As long as he is happy and healthy I'm happy for him and his family. He is such a nice man, it was heartbreaking to watch him struggle against alpha go. And then he did the incredible, basically super human , and beat it, and not just by a little, the program behaved like it had been hit by a freight train until it finally conceded. I know nothing about the game but his humility has taught me a lot about being human.
Legendary Go player. He didn’t know what he was getting into at the time, and for him to continue to fight as hard as he did in the face of, what he must have realized were insurmountable odds, is a credit to the human spirit.
@@janeknox3036 you forgot the ; and return 0; Also that's quite reductionist and dismissive. You've never watched the Alpha Go documentary, have you? You have *_ZERO_* idea what it feels like to have the burden of the entirety of human existence on your shoulders
If you consider, however, the Alpha-Go/Zero/Lee computer suite of programs does not actually "understand" Go, but merely reduces it down to a refined database of probabilities per move from training incalculable times + perfect memory of the current best results from play-outs. This is reason it appears to play "super-human" because it does not use the methods humans use which involve limits of deduction + intuition heuristics - under time pressure and limited memory recall. It reminds me of the joke in the film, Groundhog Day by Bill Murray's character, Phil Connors: "Maybe the real God uses tricks. Maybe He's not omnipotent. He's just been around so long, He knows everything."
Just like Toya Koyo, he retired from competition but the spirit of playing the game has been rekindled in a new light after being beaten by a superior opponent Sai and in Lee's case AlphaGo. The point of the game is not about winning or greater calculation, but to find meaning and essence behind it, which an a.i. can never grasp.
Lee Sedol should consider himself the ultimate winner even against AlphaGo. One human against a team of 50+ people, and hundreds of computers creating this artificial intelligence and they still lost one game.
Right... Go is the oldest continually played strategy game in existence and he was probably the last human being ever to beat the best machine in the world at it. That makes him, in a sense, a major historical figure.
First he was no longer young, alphago was great but his first version was more like human, it surprised all of us but the version which played with KeJie made us feel unbreathable.
@@kittykat7908 Yes, that was great, but I wished that the chase would continue until Hikaru and Toya met at the top above everyone else. The end was a little disappointing. I wish they added other special episodes.
because the virus is way beyond the human capabilities . its one of a kind it replicates itself very fast, mutates very fast (this version of covid 19 virus is just updated version of that found in2008 and according to some sources 2k19 version also improved itself ) it changes its shape which has billions of probability one of the key reason we can not find vaccine or hiv as well
The reason is they did not consider the simple solution - WATER IS THE ULTIMATE VACCINE FOR ALL RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS! Just take a look at the breathing body parts - the lungs, heart and related muscles. The lungs is about 80% water, heart is 50% water but the blood plasma is 90% and muscles are 75% water. When the body becomes badly dehydrated breathing gets difficult! WHO tells you to wash your hands, wear a mask and keep anti social distancing but suspiciously avoids telling people to DRINK WATER!
It's literally Flu 2.0 just stop being fat and unhealthy when you catch it. Eat and generate vitamin D, and never get on ventilator/respirator it will kill you
AI systems are used for drug discovery all the time. In fact, I am sure a lot of AI technology was used in the vaccine development at Pfizer-BioNTech/Astrazenica/etc R&D labs. By the way, AI is not this super intelligent thing you see in movies. The "smartest" one, AlphaGo, could only carry out a narrow task... if you say let's play tictactoe... it would have no idea what to do. How can you expect an AI
Much of humanity is valued by their capacity to contribute intellectually. There is a natural sense of exploration in pushing new frontiers. Artificial Intelligence is mastering the art of exploring the new frontiers, which makes the sense of adventure and exploration seem futile. It leaves us in a state of monotony and disillusionment. Nobody wants to give a worse Idea than what has already been purposed, but when It comes to AI, that is exactly what we are all being relegated to, our intelligence being useless compared to what is available at much cheaper a cost.
In recent Interview, interviewer asked Lee "Why you retired? People run and jog even after car and bike came out, and there is Olympics about it." Lee answered, "Man don't learn how to run from car, but you must learn Go from A.i"
Kasparov continued to play chess successfully for many years after losing to IBM Deep Blue. Now, there isn't a single human being on the planet who can beat the new AIs Google Alpha Zero or Leela Zero. But it really doesn't matter. It is still interesting for humans to compete. We can make ourselves better and better by learning from the AIs even though we may never catch up with them. Hey, after the train beat the horse, we did not stop watching horse races, right?
I don't believe the problem is that simple. In chess the strength gap between the best human and AI is close enough so as even if AI can easily beat the world champions, we can understand and analyze the moves made by the machines. Chess has been improved alot thanks to the help of the AI. The situation is not the same in GO where the AI is way more better than the best human. We human can't understand the game played by the AI and why it play those moves. The story become just like when a professor try to talk caculus to a child but in this case, that child can't get smarter and can never understand the talk. So the AI in GO is ruined the game by introducing the level that human could never reach and not letting us learn from their knowledge.
@@JhoferGamer I don't know enough about Go to make a comment on it but I do think chess has been improved by ai. Pretty much every modern chess player these days use AI to analyze and learn from their games.
What happens if two same versions of AlphaGo play each other. Would it be correct to execute some suboptimal moves in order to carry out a longer term strategy? So the move would be different depending on how many moves ahead the program is thinking about? So many questions..........
I understand that the real purpose of the AI in AlphaGO was to test the application of AI development. However I find it quite sad that the sole purpose of AI is to outdo humans. For all of our history in humanity, the beauty and diversity of human kind was that we moved forward together as every individual mastered something throughout the course of their lifetime. This idea that the world will somehow benefit by having everything streamlined past human capability seems a bit depressing in my opinion, even if it does make our world more efficient. I guess the main problem is that we don't seem to question if efficiency is really what will make our world the happiest and most sustainable that it can be for both us, and all the other inhabitants of earth.
same i dont like this, all of us will be retiring from our jobs lol. anyways thats why ai was created in the first place, to make it do things more better and faster, just like why we invented machines to make things easier. its really like a machine but flexible to do other tasks that needs cognitive thinking
Chess players: First time? But really instead of seeing this way, you should use AIs as a tool. To find mistakes in your game and what to do to do better. When AlphaZero (Chess equivalent to Go) beat Stockfish, some of the masters noticed a certain play style from AlphaZero and tried to adopt it.
@@flynntaggart7216 It's funny. On the Go side, everyone was like noooo ai has ruined the game. Meanwhile AIs have been around chess for so long and everyone was like oh wow new ai.
LOL! No that's a different guy. He was Veda Paneershelvam. This guy is Naveen Krishnasamy. Both are of Indian Ethinicity and have similar facial features and hair styles. Understandable!
To watch game 4 and see the impossible happen, the miraculous win by Lee Sodol, and to see AlphaGo crater when move 78 took place and completely fall of a cliff and perform as if AlphaGo had just had a stroke was the most remarkable thing, a staggering achievement that can't be over-valued.
⚠️ As an artist myself, I can understand Lee Sedol perfectly. Well, this only proves that he faced GO very seriously, thinking that he could unveil the mysteries of the game. He intended to go where no one has gone before. Since there's an entity capable of understanding the game in ways he will never be able to achieve, this battle became pointless. I myself almost retired from music, after noticing that although all my effort, I can't have the piano technique and speed I once had, after some illnesses and age. It's sad. It's very sad ! Most people can't understand that. 🤔
@@UA-camrboi596 I fully understand your point, and have recently reflected about digital art, music and humanism, specially when we are reaching outstanding levels of artificial intelligence, which somehow pose a threat to the existence, or opens a new level of art forms to humans. Perhaps not now, but in a few years. You're right about there's two ways to display music, either for people delight or showmanship, but in music, unfortunately, one thing is essentially linked to the other. Currently ( or since the dawn of music ), most people value ( or enjoy ) artists who possess great ability. I was trained as a classical musician, studying for 8 hours a day. I played in countless concerts, works of Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt and many others through my life. Unfortunately, I'm becoming old and full of minor illnesses that prejudice my ability to communicate with my audience. I am restricting even more my repertoire to adapt to what I can currently do. During my life, I studied many other things, including computers. I am an electronic engineer also. We're beginning a new era where AI would take a great role in all human activities. We frankly don't know where this is going to lead us, but I sincerely hope that digital art, made by humans continues to have it's place, as all the the other forms of art. 👍🙏❤️
I can personally understand how you feel as a fellow keyboardist. I hope you can find another way beyond technique which is something I want to recapture when I re approach the Rach 2 & 3 Concerto's at this point in my development. Sending you Love & Light never give up the fight you never know what can happen when you have the right spirit. I know from experience when I learned how to play the Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue in 15 days before an audition and nailed it. Of course I spent 8 - 10 hours days of practice. It was one of the greatest accomplishments. The Rach 2 & 3 will be my greatest triumph as a seasoned Pro Musician. Going back to my classical roots is something I've been wanting to do now 25 years later. You have a different perspective, patience and life experience which will factor in. I'm excited..... I will master it. I have smaller hands unlike Rachmaninoff who had big hands so this will be an extra challenge, but I am ready. Most importantly I will enjoy the journey and the lessons I will learn about myself when I accomplish this for myself.
I hated that ARTIFICIAL "competition". It made me sad and angry. Their technology will, no doubt, be WEAPONIZED. Lee was the winner! No one can win against computers. It's MATH !!! 4,000 years ago.....a MUCH better time! We love you Lee!
It shows that learning from its mistakes takes AI to another level.But it is just a program which is developed and redesigned, reprogrammed finding mistakes by many engineers, computer scientists and other go experts. It is just an excellent program. So, the competition is like run competition with a dog or swimming contest with a fish or maths calculation with computer and human . Program is just a program. The program is far good. And they should always give respect to go players. Because, it,the program, are not the same with human players.
Wrong info, disliked. Coming here after watching the documentary, I can surely say that he didn't do it cause he lost against AI. Even in the docu he said that AI might be the stepping stone for how we see Go as a game. It defined what he wanted to do as a Go player, and how he does not regret playing Go because of that one moment. Still getting chills after watching it, the god move... Oh man
@@lemonstrangler it's not entirelly wrong but it's just a small part of the reason, he retired because the korean association took a lot of prize money from him and other political stuff with them
The only reason that Go has more combinations is the size of the board (more entropy)...Imagine a Chess board with 19X19 and 38 pieces by each side...now imagine a Go board with an 8x8 board.
Luego de la derrota 4-1, en los siguientes 2 meses, Lee Sedol ganó todos los torneos en los que se presentó. Estoy seguro de que aprendió mucho luego de los partidos contra AlphaGO.
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him he was tired of the baduk association
Its today that I have renewed admiration how complex DOTA is. It just show what game is on top of complexity ladder is. Whether its electronics or board games.
but its so sad that most of the games are spoiled by noobs who don't play as dere role and do whatever they feel like, and day by day taking Dota 2 to its downfall
I imagine that he retired from the game in order to have mental and physical time and mental and physical energy to be able to allocated to his next activity where he will want and expect to engage in at the same TIER 1 level that he allocated to GO. He is not STOPPING with GO to stop with life for he is far too young and far to intelligent to not free himself to respond to the next fork in the road that is his life's journey. As for the clip near the end of this video showing many youth playing GO, which is where he also was as a youth himself, Lee Sedol would never tell these kids to stop dreaming and learning about themselves via Go or other venue. GO is part of him learning to understand himself and will become part of all who sit down at the table now and in the future. I think; therefore I am.
Being supremely confident can blow up in ur face with the wrong mindset. He let it define who he was and now he probably feels directionless in his purpose. Just a guess, and a massive assumption but I watch alphago the movie and he seemed like that type.
not true, although right now it just wouldnt be possible, Ai has matured a ton from there, it would be even more impressive to go 1-1000 on a modern program than 1-4 on the original go
Computers have been able to beat the best Chess players for a long time. Yet people still want to become grand masters. I don't understand quitting just because a computer is better at computation than humans.
It makes sense he’s taking it really hard for how competitive he has to be to be at the top. What I really hate is that people seem to equate AI as machines that are separate beings. Rather than an extension of our own intelligence. AI intelligence IS human intelligence. It’s a physical manifestation of our rapid evolution. We are evolving so fast we are slowly but surely not needing our physical bodies.
@@lemonstrangler The people writing the software would have consulted with masters of the game, and some of the writers would be pretty good at it. I don;t know if any masters did any actual writing. It would have to be a very good team. There's a lot of badly written AI software (people have to deal with it all the time), or perhaps some of that deals with issues more difficult than Go, involving understanding human communication. The abstract structure of Go is easier to deal with than human psychology.
It it irrelevant that there are more potential moves in go than in chess. No computer has solved chess . It is too complex. Chess unlike go has an infinite amount of playing time in that pieces can be moved continually.
AI is simply Math and the sheer processing power of computers(speed) and is a testament to what we as humans can achieve, so it's a win win for both parties.
It's quite interesting that he spoke of AlphaGo (and also of the more powerful AphaZero) as an "entity." Also, calling mastering Go as the Holy Grail is not very accurate. Because while Go is more complex than Chess, they both belong to the same category of games that Tic-Tac-Toe also belongs to. They can be solved. Yes, the numbers are staggering, but mathematically, that doesn't make a difference. It's only a question of computational power. There are other games that would be much harder for a program to beat. Games with hidden information and randomness.
I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I can tell it wants to play the AI vs human card xD The reason why he quit according to the man himself is the battle between himself vs Korean Go association; The association usually takes a certain share of all professional players' winnings and this goes into fund the association with whatever it is they do. Lee wanted to find out what that 'whatever' was, and never got an answer. The association was never really transparent with this, and claimed it is a 'tradition', took a don't question it approach. This battle began quite a while back even before the whole AlphaGo thing, what triggered it was the association wanting to claim a portion of Lee's winnings back in the day, and Lee fighting back saying 'you guys did nothing for me', which was true. Lee did not receive any assistance from the association unlike other Pros did, and funded himself pretty much the whole career so it was only natural to ask this question.
We're creating an entity that fits every single definitions we have of a god. We've been alone in this universe for so long. It's driving us to insanity.
Don't believe in Best comment. It is only a personal opinion. It is true that Lee Se-dol retired because Alpha Go had a great influence. he recently talked at a Korean talk show. Alfa Go said there was no weakness, and the first win was due to a bug.
It was not a “bug”, it threw the game because the whole system collapsed. A human would either forfeit or try to keep what he has, but AlphaGo’s sole goal was to win. If that’s a bug then all computers are bugged unless AI has their own philosophy.
Honestly they should just allow the public to play against AlphaGo. One of us will eventually beat it and give rise to an absolute genius. I think the ability to play against an almost unbeatable opponent gives rise to the best of humanity. When tested against impossible odds, we have always risen to the challenge. It's just the way humans are.
I don't understand why he chose to quit, just because someone made a computer program that can beat him. Does the fact that he's only the best human player really take his enjoyment completely out of the game? Something tells me he wanted to retire anyway, and this was a good excuse.
It's actually kinda sad that he bases so much of his self image on being the best at a game. I suppose if you dedicate your entire life to a single game and don't broaden your horizons to any other aspect of life, you don't have much else to base your self image on, which is even more sad.
In the end, we should see AI as a helper for us, rather than an enemy. Like a combine harvester, no human being would be able to gather the crops faster than one. In the near future, there will probably be robots that can drive faster than us, build faster and do pretty much everything faster and better. We need the help of AI to clean our planet and improve it. There are so many problems in the world that we still have to solve. We should take AI as a blessing and not a curse.
Honestly, gamers in competitive games of logic, rarely look toward other factors than winning their games, from my experience as a competitive boardgamer. Sedon likely never saw it coming that he some day would lose to AI and that's why it's a big deal for him. It's the people around the players, coaches, organizers, associations, that looks and need to look long term.
When Lee Sedol beat AlphaGo in the forth game with his 78th move, he became the only human player to reach 10th dan. Respect!
It's really amazing, just because of how powerful computers are today. Computers beat pro chess players over 20 years ago. There's been so much technological advancements since then... For him to beat such an advanced computer is just absolutely baffeling.
and that move is apparently called a god move
God move
Yes, because I believe they calculated the move had a one-in-ten-thousand chance of being played. Hence, 'God's touch' or the 'God Move.'
Is this true?
Hey I am from south korea. He actually retired cause of political matter in go organization. He just felt tired with politics. So dont waste time thinking too much. 😅😅
That's sad but also good to hear. I just watched the Alfha-Go documentary and felt so sad for him. He is a real fighter! Wish he enjoy more with his life and family.
Thank you! Still sad but i feel a lot better now ahahah
And you know this given that you live in North Korea? Koreans don’t get “to-be-trusted-concerning-all-koreans” immunity.
@@Mrandrecavalheiro13 I am sure he will continue to play important role for GO community, and we will not need to worry much 😁. Lets just be safe. South Korea already overcome current pandemic as of now. Hope all the other country can do the same.
@@kaoamii Indeed he himself was revolutionary player like Alphago does, and true fighter. But it's 20 years and I am sure he enjoyed GO much. He must be proud of himself since his win was achieved even though he is not at his best now. 😁
lol that’s not why he retired from go. It’s primarily related to his relationship to the Korean baduk association
This video is propaganda to teach not to thin for yourself and let computers think for you.
Go on...
Yes , it's agenda , all.lee seedol matches were fixed , huge AMT exchGed Bern seedol and Google , Korean association also.involved innit
@@navigatingel6104 hmm, i can see what you mean. But i think for many, it showed that humans can overcome and should fight when there is no fight left
I was gonna say to stop playing go for this reason is to stop running because cars are faster
I watched the deepmind documentary, he was such a humble man in the documentary, cant believe he quit :(
quit professionally
It was politics not disparity
Whats the deepmind documentary?
Seems kinda self selfish tbh
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him
he was tired of the baduk association
Am deeply impressed by Lee Sedol who will forever be a legend in the great game of Go. I disagree that we should define ourselves by what machines are capable of because by design they are intended to vastly outperform humans. Consider the massive D-11 bulldozer, cranes, trains, and an endless list of other machines. When Lee Sedol took on AlphaGo, he wasn't playing against a single entity like a human opponent; he was taking on hundreds if not thousands of engineers and a cosmically vast computed data base.
I know this is an old comment, but a in fairly recent interview, Lee Sedol said playing w/ AlphaGo made him somewhat change his opinions toward the game Go. He emphasized that when he was first learning Go, he valued it as a form of art and expression, and not just a game. He went on to say that playing w/ AlphaGo made him realize of the changes in the cultures surrounding the Game, and it was one of the main reasons of his retirement. Surprisingly, he doesn't play the game anymore! just once in a while.
Right, and Lee was also taking on a battle against tens of thousands of hours of programming, as they prepared their AI's neural network for the almost endless possibilities. Not a fair fight at all, which speaks to Lee's brain as almost beyond genius in game 4.
@@walkattack And on the side of Lee Sedol it was also not fair: having access to 9am-9pm 7days a week training for years. Poor AlphaGo, they should have given it a strong but not a legendary player in the US or EU. Now because of the unfair advantage that the human had, it had to lose game 4.
I hope you see the irony.
That is the thing I want to point out
Exactly! I don't understand why he cares so much about a computer program beating him that he retires completely. It's like he feels that everything he accomplished in the game was worthless now because he isn't "the best," even though he definitely still is.
As long as he is happy and healthy I'm happy for him and his family. He is such a nice man, it was heartbreaking to watch him struggle against alpha go. And then he did the incredible, basically super human , and beat it, and not just by a little, the program behaved like it had been hit by a freight train until it finally conceded. I know nothing about the game but his humility has taught me a lot about being human.
Thank for your words and the respect you show to Mr. Sedol, i feel a great respect for him. He always will better than a gadget !!!!
Mr. Sedol, simply the best.
This is actually really sad news - it would be like if Magnus Carlsen retired from chess. I really hope we'll see Lee make a comeback someday.
Bobby Fischer also retired from the game of chess because he said people are just memorizing moves and are not being as creative.
He retired because aliens abducted him for experimental reasons but he raped him and dumped him to Zimbabwe to be eaten by Giraffes.
@@krioni86sa is it funny?
@@krioni86sa cringe gtfo
@@newheroph4257 I'm not trying to be funny. We'll all die soon. ISIS, World War 3, viruses, biological warfare, america will soon fall.
@@krioni86sa I want to hear more.
Other than some of the details about Sedol himself, this whole video is nothing but vacuous blather.
Wow, you just saved me from wasting 4 minutes of my life. Ty
some fool watches 3 min trt videos for deep insights
Yeah, but it's really, really good vacuous blather.
Blather! Love that word!
From comments it seems Lee left due to Go politics instead
Legendary Go player. He didn’t know what he was getting into at the time, and for him to continue to fight as hard as he did in the face of, what he must have realized were insurmountable odds, is a credit to the human spirit.
he now prefers Pokemon Go
Bruh
Lol
Sorry for changing the 69 likes to 70
XDDD
Because he had to go.
Get out, haha
Lol
this got me more than it should have
*Ba dum tss*
Now South Korea needs to come up with a go deep learning algorithm called Sedol to compete with AlphaGo.
I can do this in a one liner : if (game-outcome == "loss") { quit() }
@@janeknox3036 you forgot the ; and return 0;
Also that's quite reductionist and dismissive. You've never watched the Alpha Go documentary, have you? You have *_ZERO_* idea what it feels like to have the burden of the entirety of human existence on your shoulders
@@roek7630 Well it was more like the burden of representing evreyone playing go
If you consider, however, the Alpha-Go/Zero/Lee computer suite of programs does not actually "understand" Go, but merely reduces it down to a refined database of probabilities per move from training incalculable times + perfect memory of the current best results from play-outs.
This is reason it appears to play "super-human" because it does not use the methods humans use which involve limits of deduction + intuition heuristics - under time pressure and limited memory recall.
It reminds me of the joke in the film, Groundhog Day by Bill Murray's character, Phil Connors:
"Maybe the real God uses tricks. Maybe He's not omnipotent. He's just been around so long, He knows everything."
Excellent!
Spoiler: the answer is not given in this video.
There is a Korean proverb, believed to have been handed down from China,
that says "Leave when praised."
I wish he could play some 150 games vs alpha zero go, and then be happy if he wins one game. I would be proud over such a win for sure.
Best rage quit in history
Completed the 69 like ritual
Right lol
Classic comment!
You are making it too sensational. He went on to win every tournament he played after he lost 4/1 to the alphago
Well it's like trying to beat a speedboat in a swimming competition
Just like Toya Koyo, he retired from competition but the spirit of playing the game has been rekindled in a new light after being beaten by a superior opponent Sai and in Lee's case AlphaGo. The point of the game is not about winning or greater calculation, but to find meaning and essence behind it, which an a.i. can never grasp.
Looool
The divine move shall be achieved
Lee Sedol should consider himself the ultimate winner even against AlphaGo. One human against a team of 50+ people, and hundreds of computers creating this artificial intelligence and they still lost one game.
Right... Go is the oldest continually played strategy game in existence and he was probably the last human being ever to beat the best machine in the world at it. That makes him, in a sense, a major historical figure.
no, alphago was in its infancy. Lee's playing was nothing short of genius, but he was facing an embryo
Lee should have a channel...anyway, Lee you beat a computer!!! You're a f'n legend bruh!!!
First he was no longer young, alphago was great but his first version was more like human, it surprised all of us but the version which played with KeJie made us feel unbreathable.
now, where is hikaru when we need him the most? xD
we need Sai
Lmao
I followed the anime(hikaru no go) a week ago and liked the game a lot, but I don't know where to follow it. Can I find a result here?
@@إيسومي_سان lol who need to know the game (the rules), just watching the intense fight between hikaru and opponent makes me satisfied sometimes 😂
@@kittykat7908 Yes, that was great, but I wished that the chase would continue until Hikaru and Toya met at the top above everyone else. The end was a little disappointing. I wish they added other special episodes.
After all this, AI still can't find a vaccination for COVID-19!! The humanity needs that the most.
because the virus is way beyond the human capabilities .
its one of a kind
it replicates itself very fast,
mutates very fast (this version of covid 19 virus is just updated version of that found in2008 and according to some sources 2k19 version also improved itself )
it changes its shape which has billions of probability
one of the key reason we can not find vaccine or hiv as well
The reason is they did not consider the simple solution - WATER IS THE ULTIMATE VACCINE FOR ALL RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS!
Just take a look at the breathing body parts - the lungs, heart and related muscles.
The lungs is about 80% water, heart is 50% water but the blood plasma is 90% and muscles are 75% water. When the body becomes badly dehydrated breathing gets difficult!
WHO tells you to wash your hands, wear a mask and keep anti social distancing but suspiciously avoids telling people to DRINK WATER!
@@slt42 sure, i guess WHO also never told us to sleep, breath fresh air, eat nutritious food, and kee a healthy mind.
It's literally Flu 2.0 just stop being fat and unhealthy when you catch it. Eat and generate vitamin D, and never get on ventilator/respirator it will kill you
AI systems are used for drug discovery all the time. In fact, I am sure a lot of AI technology was used in the vaccine development at Pfizer-BioNTech/Astrazenica/etc R&D labs.
By the way, AI is not this super intelligent thing you see in movies. The "smartest" one, AlphaGo, could only carry out a narrow task... if you say let's play tictactoe... it would have no idea what to do. How can you expect an AI
Much of humanity is valued by their capacity to contribute intellectually. There is a natural sense of exploration in pushing new frontiers. Artificial Intelligence is mastering the art of exploring the new frontiers, which makes the sense of adventure and exploration seem futile. It leaves us in a state of monotony and disillusionment.
Nobody wants to give a worse Idea than what has already been purposed, but when It comes to AI, that is exactly what we are all being relegated to, our intelligence being useless compared to what is available at much cheaper a cost.
In recent Interview, interviewer asked Lee "Why you retired? People run and jog even after car and bike came out, and there is Olympics about it." Lee answered, "Man don't learn how to run from car, but you must learn Go from A.i"
He didn't just lose he created interest in the game. I play chess now I am also learning GO.
Has anyone actually counted all the atoms in tne universe? Just wondering.
Known universe....
@@BCOOOL100 I'd draw the line at counting all the atoms in the known universe. Forget about the rest...too much work.
Chuck Norris did it for extra credit in a high school science class.
We know approximate mass of the universe. And by knowing the mass we can calculate approximate number of atoms.
Yes. I just finished counting them yesterday, and boy are my fingers tired.
Kasparov continued to play chess successfully for many years after losing to IBM Deep Blue. Now, there isn't a single human being on the planet who can beat the new AIs Google Alpha Zero or Leela Zero. But it really doesn't matter. It is still interesting for humans to compete. We can make ourselves better and better by learning from the AIs even though we may never catch up with them. Hey, after the train beat the horse, we did not stop watching horse races, right?
I don't believe the problem is that simple. In chess the strength gap between the best human and AI is close enough so as even if AI can easily beat the world champions, we can understand and analyze the moves made by the machines. Chess has been improved alot thanks to the help of the AI.
The situation is not the same in GO where the AI is way more better than the best human. We human can't understand the game played by the AI and why it play those moves. The story become just like when a professor try to talk caculus to a child but in this case, that child can't get smarter and can never understand the talk.
So the AI in GO is ruined the game by introducing the level that human could never reach and not letting us learn from their knowledge.
@@HieuNguyen-oi7le I disagree that ai made chess better and that it ruined go.
@@JhoferGamer I don't know enough about Go to make a comment on it but I do think chess has been improved by ai. Pretty much every modern chess player these days use AI to analyze and learn from their games.
brothers its not about the sport , its about the people who play the sport , we still watch olympics and stuff.
What happens if two same versions of AlphaGo play each other. Would it be correct to execute some suboptimal moves in order to carry out a longer term strategy? So the move would be different depending on how many moves ahead the program is thinking about? So many questions..........
This exactly is where it gets interesting!
It's called reinforcement learning.
I understand that the real purpose of the AI in AlphaGO was to test the application of AI development. However I find it quite sad that the sole purpose of AI is to outdo humans. For all of our history in humanity, the beauty and diversity of human kind was that we moved forward together as every individual mastered something throughout the course of their lifetime. This idea that the world will somehow benefit by having everything streamlined past human capability seems a bit depressing in my opinion, even if it does make our world more efficient.
I guess the main problem is that we don't seem to question if efficiency is really what will make our world the happiest and most sustainable that it can be for both us, and all the other inhabitants of earth.
same i dont like this, all of us will be retiring from our jobs lol. anyways thats why ai was created in the first place, to make it do things more better and faster, just like why we invented machines to make things easier. its really like a machine but flexible to do other tasks that needs cognitive thinking
That was beautifully said. I find it really sad and frankly unsettling as well..
Chess players: First time?
But really instead of seeing this way, you should use AIs as a tool. To find mistakes in your game and what to do to do better. When AlphaZero (Chess equivalent to Go) beat Stockfish, some of the masters noticed a certain play style from AlphaZero and tried to adopt it.
Cry as much as you want but i support ai
@@flynntaggart7216 It's funny. On the Go side, everyone was like noooo ai has ruined the game. Meanwhile AIs have been around chess for so long and everyone was like oh wow new ai.
Hey this presenter guy was a part of the alphago development team. He was in the documentary
lol was thinking the same
I recognized the man-bun too.
Wasn't even in the second half of the documentary.
This vid is BS.
LOL! No that's a different guy. He was Veda Paneershelvam. This guy is Naveen Krishnasamy. Both are of Indian Ethinicity and have similar facial features and hair styles. Understandable!
@@cadrimbose Looks the same everyone knows lol
@@cadrimbose The Deepmind guy wouldn't be so free lmao
Great report, man.
at least he made a million before calling it a day
He didn't, at least not from that match - Alpha Go won the million. He got $170,000.
To watch game 4 and see the impossible happen, the miraculous win by Lee Sodol, and to see AlphaGo crater when move 78 took place and completely fall of a cliff and perform as if AlphaGo had just had a stroke was the most remarkable thing, a staggering achievement that can't be over-valued.
Stop advertising alphago at the expense of Lee Sedol! You are misinterpreting his words, that is so mean!
⚠️ As an artist myself, I can understand Lee Sedol perfectly. Well, this only proves that he faced GO very seriously, thinking that he could unveil the mysteries of the game. He intended to go where no one has gone before. Since there's an entity capable of understanding the game in ways he will never be able to achieve, this battle became pointless. I myself almost retired from music, after noticing that although all my effort, I can't have the piano technique and speed I once had, after some illnesses and age. It's sad. It's very sad ! Most people can't understand that. 🤔
There's no person you can "understand perfectly"
@@UA-camrboi596 I fully understand your point, and have recently reflected about digital art, music and humanism, specially when we are reaching outstanding levels of artificial intelligence, which somehow pose a threat to the existence, or opens a new level of art forms to humans. Perhaps not now, but in a few years. You're right about there's two ways to display music, either for people delight or showmanship, but in music, unfortunately, one thing is essentially linked to the other. Currently ( or since the dawn of music ), most people value ( or enjoy ) artists who possess great ability. I was trained as a classical musician, studying for 8 hours a day. I played in countless concerts, works of Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt and many others through my life. Unfortunately, I'm becoming old and full of minor illnesses that prejudice my ability to communicate with my audience. I am restricting even more my repertoire to adapt to what I can currently do. During my life, I studied many other things, including computers. I am an electronic engineer also. We're beginning a new era where AI would take a great role in all human activities. We frankly don't know where this is going to lead us, but I sincerely hope that digital art, made by humans continues to have it's place, as all the the other forms of art. 👍🙏❤️
I get your point. Benn there and done that. Only to bring frustration and reflection on one's existence.
I can personally understand how you feel as a fellow keyboardist. I hope you can find another way beyond technique which is something I want to recapture when I re approach the Rach 2 & 3 Concerto's at this point in my development. Sending you Love & Light never give up the fight you never know what can happen when you have the right spirit. I know from experience when I learned
how to play the Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue in 15 days before an audition and nailed it. Of course I spent 8 - 10 hours days of practice. It was one of the greatest accomplishments. The Rach 2 & 3 will
be my greatest triumph as a seasoned Pro Musician. Going back to my classical roots is something
I've been wanting to do now 25 years later. You have a different perspective, patience and life experience which will factor in. I'm excited..... I will master it. I have smaller hands unlike Rachmaninoff who had big hands so this will be an extra challenge, but I am ready. Most importantly
I will enjoy the journey and the lessons I will learn about myself when I accomplish this for myself.
@@lampkinmedia I wish you all the good luck with your project. Rach 2 and 3 are like the top of the world for any talented pianist. 🙏👍💥❤️
I mean he's so good in playing Go that he decided that next goal is to defeat AI.
@@mrhorse6587 yeah because hes ASian and you dont like asians.
I swear to god, if any of you haven’t seen the AlphaGo documentary, you must watch it.
Guess, it was just his time to Go...
about 10 seconds are devoted to answering the question, the rest is just irrelevant rubbish
You can't out-compute the computer, his pride is understandable though.
it didn't GO so well for him.
Of course no pun intended.
I hated that ARTIFICIAL "competition". It made me sad and angry.
Their technology will, no doubt, be WEAPONIZED.
Lee was the winner! No one can win against computers. It's MATH !!! 4,000 years ago.....a MUCH better time!
We love you Lee!
It's not true the holy Ghost is greater than any man mad artificial intelligence.
The master has just not yet arrissen!
It shows that learning from its mistakes takes AI to another level.But it is just a program which is developed and redesigned, reprogrammed finding mistakes by many engineers, computer scientists and other go experts. It is just an excellent program. So, the competition is like run competition with a dog or swimming contest with a fish or maths calculation with computer and human . Program is just a program. The program is far good. And they should always give respect to go players. Because, it,the program, are not the same with human players.
Wrong info, disliked. Coming here after watching the documentary, I can surely say that he didn't do it cause he lost against AI. Even in the docu he said that AI might be the stepping stone for how we see Go as a game. It defined what he wanted to do as a Go player, and how he does not regret playing Go because of that one moment. Still getting chills after watching it, the god move... Oh man
then why did he quit? theres literally him quoting that there will always be an entity better than him so he quit. thats not wrong info lol
@@lemonstrangler it's not entirelly wrong but it's just a small part of the reason, he retired because the korean association took a lot of prize money from him and other political stuff with them
The only reason that Go has more combinations is the size of the board (more entropy)...Imagine a Chess board with 19X19 and 38 pieces by each side...now imagine a Go board with an 8x8 board.
Luego de la derrota 4-1, en los siguientes 2 meses, Lee Sedol ganó todos los torneos en los que se presentó. Estoy seguro de que aprendió mucho luego de los partidos contra AlphaGO.
He actually beat IT ! Destroyed IT in one move.
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him
he was tired of the baduk association
Its today that I have renewed admiration how complex DOTA is. It just show what game is on top of complexity ladder is. Whether its electronics or board games.
but its so sad that most of the games are spoiled by noobs who don't play as dere role and do whatever they feel like, and day by day taking Dota 2 to its downfall
my only question is what will he do now, or rather what is he doing now?
I imagine that he retired from the game in order to have mental and physical time and mental and physical energy to be able to allocated to his next activity where he will want and expect to engage in at the same TIER 1 level that he allocated to GO. He is not STOPPING with GO to stop with life for he is far too young and far to intelligent to not free himself to respond to the next fork in the road that is his life's journey.
As for the clip near the end of this video showing many youth playing GO, which is where he also was as a youth himself, Lee Sedol would never tell these kids to stop dreaming and learning about themselves via Go or other venue. GO is part of him learning to understand himself and will become part of all who sit down at the table now and in the future.
I think; therefore I am.
Playing GO is about having fun. Who cares if AI can play it better
what is that subtle music in the background
Being supremely confident can blow up in ur face with the wrong mindset. He let it define who he was and now he probably feels directionless in his purpose. Just a guess, and a massive assumption but I watch alphago the movie and he seemed like that type.
You know lee sedol can beat alpha go easily but they paid him to advertise there new A.I to Korean manufacturers
not true, although right now it just wouldnt be possible, Ai has matured a ton from there, it would be even more impressive to go 1-1000 on a modern program than 1-4 on the original go
Computers have been able to beat the best Chess players for a long time. Yet people still want to become grand masters. I don't understand quitting just because a computer is better at computation than humans.
Exactly what I was thinking.
This guy talking is part of Deepmind team... So I don't give this video any weight
It makes sense he’s taking it really hard for how competitive he has to be to be at the top. What I really hate is that people seem to equate AI as machines that are separate beings. Rather than an extension of our own intelligence. AI intelligence IS human intelligence. It’s a physical manifestation of our rapid evolution. We are evolving so fast we are slowly but surely not needing our physical bodies.
Suppressed natural selection is devolution. Computers aren't going to save you. Your consciousness isn't compatible with a machine and never will be.
im just amazed at how someone can make an ai like that, does that mean they are really good at go? lol
@@kilianconn5091 This is limited thinking, it may very well be possible for humans to one day interface with machines.
@@lemonstrangler The people writing the software would have consulted with masters of the game, and some of the writers would be pretty good at it. I don;t know if any masters did any actual writing. It would have to be a very good team. There's a lot of badly written AI software (people have to deal with it all the time), or perhaps some of that deals with issues more difficult than Go, involving understanding human communication. The abstract structure of Go is easier to deal with than human psychology.
you don't get it. it was a political issue. not a competition/skill issue.
I was in my late 20's and got my arse kicked by a 14yr-old from Korea (1980's). The game of life is much like that.
He retired after 21 years of professional career. It may not have much to do with Alphago.
He retired because he's played enough. Yall lying and trippin🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣
Last human to take a game from the best computer player.
Lee Sedol is the Asian Gary Kasparov. Both beaten by American technology.
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
It it irrelevant that there are more potential moves in go than in chess. No computer has solved chess . It is too complex. Chess unlike go has an infinite amount of playing time in that pieces can be moved continually.
How did this game get popular, it sounds tedious to identify the areas and count them one by one.
I wonder if Choi Taek can beat Alpha Go
AI is simply Math and the sheer processing power of computers(speed) and is a testament to what we as humans can achieve, so it's a win win for both parties.
It's quite interesting that he spoke of AlphaGo (and also of the more powerful AphaZero) as an "entity." Also, calling mastering Go as the Holy Grail is not very accurate. Because while Go is more complex than Chess, they both belong to the same category of games that Tic-Tac-Toe also belongs to. They can be solved. Yes, the numbers are staggering, but mathematically, that doesn't make a difference. It's only a question of computational power. There are other games that would be much harder for a program to beat. Games with hidden information and randomness.
AI has beated the best human players at those games as well, like League of Legends and Dota
Thank you Lee Sedol. Love you.
I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I can tell it wants to play the AI vs human card xD
The reason why he quit according to the man himself is the battle between himself vs Korean Go association; The association usually takes a certain share of all professional players' winnings and this goes into fund the association with whatever it is they do. Lee wanted to find out what that 'whatever' was, and never got an answer. The association was never really transparent with this, and claimed it is a 'tradition', took a don't question it approach. This battle began quite a while back even before the whole AlphaGo thing, what triggered it was the association wanting to claim a portion of Lee's winnings back in the day, and Lee fighting back saying 'you guys did nothing for me', which was true. Lee did not receive any assistance from the association unlike other Pros did, and funded himself pretty much the whole career so it was only natural to ask this question.
We're creating an entity that fits every single definitions we have of a god. We've been alone in this universe for so long. It's driving us to insanity.
Lol just pour water on the thing.
Also Lee left due to politics not despair. This video is crock
If seedol was Federer, Alphago must be Djokovic
How we choose to define ourselves.... Lee Sedol is more than a Go player. Life is beyond the Go board. Thank’s God !! :-D
He prolly retired for the same reason Bobby Fisher did -- competing at the highest levels for so long is exhausting.
Bring zhang ye in!
From the light novel "i'm really a superstar"
Whenever life gives you "move 37'', come back with "move 78.
How about GO in three dimensions?
Don't believe in Best comment. It is only a personal opinion. It is true that Lee Se-dol retired because Alpha Go had a great influence. he recently talked at a Korean talk show. Alfa Go said there was no weakness, and the first win was due to a bug.
It was not a “bug”, it threw the game because the whole system collapsed. A human would either forfeit or try to keep what he has, but AlphaGo’s sole goal was to win. If that’s a bug then all computers are bugged unless AI has their own philosophy.
I was brought here by the recommended "AlphaGo movie" the comments seem more believable than the video! Disrespectful.
That 'AlphaGo movie' made me develop a game on Go! I must say it's an eye opener in the world of AI. 😊
A great example of how the singularity will work
This has ruminations towards the original aspirations on why they needed to build the Tower of Babel.
in a word: hubris
He blew a fuse using the God move.
Magnus Carlsen said playing against Stockfish makes him feel stupid.
And yet Stockfish was beaten by AlphaZero in 100 matches about 80 times...
You look like one of the engineers who designed alphago
Honestly they should just allow the public to play against AlphaGo. One of us will eventually beat it and give rise to an absolute genius. I think the ability to play against an almost unbeatable opponent gives rise to the best of humanity. When tested against impossible odds, we have always risen to the challenge. It's just the way humans are.
Forklifts can lift more than any human. We still have weightlifting and powerlifting competitions.
I don't understand why he chose to quit, just because someone made a computer program that can beat him. Does the fact that he's only the best human player really take his enjoyment completely out of the game? Something tells me he wanted to retire anyway, and this was a good excuse.
It's actually kinda sad that he bases so much of his self image on being the best at a game. I suppose if you dedicate your entire life to a single game and don't broaden your horizons to any other aspect of life, you don't have much else to base your self image on, which is even more sad.
In the end, we should see AI as a helper for us, rather than an enemy. Like a combine harvester, no human being would be able to gather the crops faster than one. In the near future, there will probably be robots that can drive faster than us, build faster and do pretty much everything faster and better. We need the help of AI to clean our planet and improve it. There are so many problems in the world that we still have to solve. We should take AI as a blessing and not a curse.
Thank you
We only seem so complex to each other because we are so stupid. It a bit depressing.
Honestly, gamers in competitive games of logic, rarely look toward other factors than winning their games, from my experience as a competitive boardgamer. Sedon likely never saw it coming that he some day would lose to AI and that's why it's a big deal for him. It's the people around the players, coaches, organizers, associations, that looks and need to look long term.
I hope Lee comes back for rematch against Alphago.
He said go has 300 times the number of positions compared to chess which is astronomically laughably inaccurate
He soiled himself after he heard that the old AlphaGo lost to the new one 100-0!
Well when you gotta Go you gotta go.
LSD the last man (Korean) to beat the first Strong AI (Alphago) in GO.