One of my asian friends who has been here for long time once told me: HERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO YOUR JOB RIGHTFULLY BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB RIGHTFULLY. It's stuck with me ever since. The local working culture here involves quite a decent amount of talking and politics. You will become invisible if you just keep quiet and do your job. It's a bit of a reverse of Asian work culture here. Standing up for your own rights and being more vocal is rewarded more here.
We call it 'visibility' you have to make yourself look like you are of value to the company, cos you need them to think your role is not redundant which it may be or the person in that role is actually not performing.
I agree with you… this is called inefficiency. I have a similar role I had in the past in HK, but only 1/3 workload or even less. For the whole year, we are delicated to work for 4-6 months only, but for the rest of the month, it’s pretty much like sitting here and nothing to do. And the ironic thing is that I’m paying 40% tax rate.
Having worked at both East Asian firms and European firms, I feel that the performance evaluation system at East Asian companies focuses more on the quantity and quality of written work (e.g. emails and reports) as well as the contribution of working hours. We are encouraged to be more agreeable and seek approval from reporting managers before speaking with senior management and central teams. European firms, on the other hand, evaluate performance based on visibility, extroversion, and the degree of influence to the entire organization. We are required to turn on cameras whenever we are in virtual meetings, be more outspoken, and be able to transform existing strategies. If you just stay quiet in the team and do whatever your manager told you to do without initiating any changes, your job stability will be at risk. However, I would say that professional image and interpersonal skill are equally vital in both settings, just the ways of how we enhance them are different between the two cultures.
@@Birdyie係炒，個excuse from the agency in verbal is "cannot meet expectation from client" , agency 工，supervisor is client of agency... the written reason..is " as per the reason explained in teams meeting>> termination" ,即係唔可以當面寫出來的原因lo...supervisor 唔like lo...
Me worked in a major IT company 30+ years ago down in the south coast (no prize for guessing😊), I almost participated in all Company drinking do's, colleagues also set me up a kissogram on my stag night, 非常融入😊
美國公司老闆曾對說： I don’t care , you just move the heaven to the earth (to get the work done as a result) tough but result orientation , that company very successful! 所以這個大不列顛落後是有原因、用她的網速最有代表性
真係贊同呀
我同老公嚟英國返工文職做咗2年了。有此感受--
存在感- 佢地真係好睇重個人嘅存在感，真係需要工作時做比所有人睇到，由其我新入職時，公司其他同事個個都做超過10年以上，大家會特別留意新人做緊咩。有次有個同事無叫我早晨，我上司立即帶我走全場，要個個記住我😂😂.態度一定要so nice, 唔helpful都得，最緊要識日日要微笑
形像 - 久唔久要著得靚d ,帶d飾物。我有d印度同事會打量你d手腳 ,睇下有無金飾或鑽石。佢地真係係會睇小你格
工作態度 - 揀定只係幫上司或老闆就夠啦，唔好做多咗，唔係就其他同事會覺得以後係你負責做啦
我覺得呢D文化好唔惦，所以每日浪費好多時間去同公司D人去周旋，呢點令我好難適應，效率超級慢
@@evang1895 係呀，一d積極感都無，養懶晒d人
其實香港大公司或者上市公司都係咁開會，同埋要Social要埋堆，但係我哋都要確保自己嘅工作唔可以錯同埋要跟到進度😅
唔只係英國，係外國同亞洲人最主要既cultural difference。仲有一樣，工作要做得好，但又唔可以鋒芒太露。亞洲人唔習慣social，只會埋頭密密做，響外國妳唔social係做唔到野，無人同你friend的話，d野唔會做得好順利。
好同意，佢哋social重於一切
以前喺世界各地都有分公司的集團做其中一領域做企画，但都時不時参加其他領域開會，坐後排(不可二段攻擊，齋聽)老闆有時會事後問感想，有冇建議。其實有用；學到濶D諗野，而老闆亦會由各領域集思，避到做滑咗，唔清醒。最妙就係老闆避到“老屎忽揸雞毛當令箭”，超級聰明😊
呢集都想聽下鬆太嘅經歷分享 🤗
One of my asian friends who has been here for long time once told me: HERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO YOUR JOB RIGHTFULLY BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB RIGHTFULLY. It's stuck with me ever since. The local working culture here involves quite a decent amount of talking and politics. You will become invisible if you just keep quiet and do your job. It's a bit of a reverse of Asian work culture here. Standing up for your own rights and being more vocal is rewarded more here.
We call it 'visibility' you have to make yourself look like you are of value to the company, cos you need them to think your role is not redundant which it may be or the person in that role is actually not performing.
十幾年前喺英國公司香港office工作，感覺倫敦(做生意部份)啲同事部份幾快手又講邏輯，但部份(後勤運作)又極stubborn兼煩兼阻慢晒，到星加坡regional office 就見班英國人中層帶住星加坡人日常其實好輕鬆隨便，好處係佢地而家到外地容易同各種文化相處，短處係。。。嗰間公司已經賣左被收購。。。係喲，有位印度人一日到黑喺公司大大聲揾人吹水，佢英國人上司對佢幾nice,但呢位同事其實冇乜做過野
係呀係呀～仲有每星期或大或小既全local office輪流吹水表演大會，regional team一個會，global team 又一個cross time zone大會，平均每星期用起碼3至6個鐘 開會，8成既時間內容係同自己工作無直接關係
工作效率唔需要高，最緊要talk得好!
Totally agree
我而家係一間香港嘅英資 engineering公司度做，聽完你講我完全身同感受，even係香港都feel到，返工對住班鬼又要吹水，又係成日開會
最正係爭住講一大堆好似好有道理而又完全唔合理既就會有好高能見度
我明白「能見度」啊，我係香港做MNC，公司好鍾意員工參與公司嘅對外/內部event，例如公司舉行嘅sports event（端午節同其他公司比賽爬龍舟、跑步、行山）、charity（種樹、執垃圾、送米），參加Christmas Dinner嘅teams 比賽。我其中一個工作係mark返邊d同事有參與。傳聞呢啲同事升職加薪多Bonus嘅機會會高d。
我係歐洲返工，都好激氣。上司話我too serious with work，我問是否要not serious with work。
其他部門啲人出錯，搞到我好煩，但對方可以一推就推走，我reply番問番點解會有錯嘅，都搞到好似我做錯
唉呀 返工要學識耍太極架😂唔係就會咁
好stereotype!我覺得係case by case.. depending on the situation.
感覺英國成日想學美國人但又學唔足，搞到經常為做而做，寫好多無謂及不切實際嘅流程向上司交功課，下屬run唔run到流程有無bug一於好少理。而且煩在朝早打招呼用how are you等開放式問題，然後白花時間停晒手腳吹水，一句good morning咪搞掂囉，東亞人就算吹都會邊做邊吹。
可能因為以上搞到效率低晒關係，英國公共交通經常脫班或延遲，我間中都會中招而遲到。
講到Send email，熟同事有時我都會email 當whatsapp格式咁寫😂
其實how are you 依d所有西方國家都係咁 美國仲會同你傾埋家庭成員近況添😂 人哋公司有資源咪可以咁囉 唔通好似香港公司日日打衝鋒咩 我反而唔習慣啲人一開口就講公事 好鬼死悶
@@someernie6179雖然唔係前線，但其實我响人人喊晒口話唔夠資源嘅NHS系統入面做緊...依然吹水多過做嘢😪
鬆仔哥，都好耐無睇過鬆仔仔同鬆仔個仔嘅片頭，幾時會出番次？好懷念！
你係香港如果想上位，眯一樣要visible。永遠好多人上位，會係老闆見到做咗野，唔代表真係做咗最多野個個。
你話老闆永遠見唔到個個，眯升職最後個個
能見度 係指 visible / visibility, 即係唔好收收埋埋, 會同大家knowledge sharing, 帶領大家一齊改善之類, 不要太過英雄/個人主義.
你做既野如果能令其他同事都同意咁一齊進步. 大家一起走更簡易既流程. (即係做更少)
我 18歲就已經被 英國公司請左做野, 佢地係大圍去睇件事的, 唔想有太多SILO, (即係得你知你識而無人識做),
如果大家都知大家做咩就會易夾, 公司可以團隊咁去做, 夾手夾腳有傾有講睇全局. ,而唔係中國人死做. 太辛苦既野, 一係就外判,一係就用機器幫手, 一係就唔做. 英國人管理係頂尖的.
佢地好注意 townhall, afternoon tea, weekly gather, 你分享D 咩. 你知唔知自己做緊D 咩. 佢地要你知埋公司發生緊咩事的.
幽默感 係代表你高EQ, 能掌握當前情況, 可控,而唔係俾人控.
好唔好就見人見志了. 哈哈.
😊
thanks Zonjai & Zontai😃
4:53 錯了，這樣的結果是 做事的繼續在底層，功努別人拿在老細前領功去。
Hello Zon生 Zon太
Thanks for your 開心 share! 👏😄😁😆
效率低就係人都知，但問題係佢哋唔着重嗰個工作經常錯呢個先係重點，錯咗仲覺得冇所謂😂
香港開會, 通常是批鬥大會 , 外國人開會 , 通常是吹水大會 , 開會人數越多 , 會議越唔重要
Thanks for sharing. 這樣不但出現在英國。如果你在香港的Multinational corporation 工作，你說的比例是一樣的。Internet 上面的comments 的人士有可能在香港工作時，是在一些香港人run 的公司。
其實係香港做大公司都係要能見度嫁喎，如果你無能見度，幾做得野你大老細都唔會知係你做既都係得個做字，唔會有得升職加薪，亦要搵個好上司同佢fd到肯sell你俾大老細先得，否則幾做得野都係白做
以往好少睇呢一類youtube，自從多咗好多bno香港自己人，先至開始接觸。
在歐洲工作40年，感覺不同國家有不同文化，荷蘭瑞士德國僱員感覺較勤奮。英國比較注重外表言談技巧，得把口已經搵到食，最緊要面皮厚。例如高級職員開會(仲要係director grade)，大家應承下次每人提供一個proposal,下次開會時，不要驚奇只有你一個人或者一兩個印度同事會做到，其他廿個只會稱讚你哋做得好，笑笑口佢哋一啲都冇做😅。
仲有不論任何工作地方幾忙都要有tea time，喺兩個法院做兼職裁判司十幾年，明知案件堆積如山無法準時完成，但都不能破壞規矩冇tea time。
鬆仔所講佢在Airbus開4個鐘會好似好冇用，但我也可以分享一吓為何要大家都参加。首先，我在航天工程巳經工作了四十多年，先在港機工程，後在英國不同公司作航天工程師到現在。所有人一齊開會，原因喺飛機的複雜性，所有機械及電子，環環相扣，有D嘢好似唔關你事，但跟落去可能都有關。另外重有work flow scheduling. 如果你D嘢 deliver 唔到可能會對其他人有影响，所以點解要人人坐定定聽4個鐘。同時，對young graduated engineers 是一個好機會學習不同 systems, 也是一個吹水 networking 的好機會。
同埋如果自己轉工開公司 依種對行業既全盤理解係好重要
唔怪之得工作進度咁慢，因為成日都係開會！
加拿大的workplace culture 都係好唔同,佢哋認為qualifications, work experience 係hard skills, 但soft skills 如small talk, “能見度”等更為重要。好多來自Asian countries 的新移民以前實幹開，嚟到呢度最難適應就係要避免表現自己，反而要壓低D自己的存在，切忌鋒芒畢露。
醒目仔
totally agree. working in Tesco Office
Thanks
又係好認同，所有人和事氣氛都要“好河蟹“。。。河蟹到hea, 啲老闆就係好似多溝通，其實係要人地跟佢意見去做，一句到尾 英式working style 真係冇美式咁有效率(香港既 美英澳德法 資公司都做過，心中對佢地排名先後亦如上)
德既效率一定快過英, 不過都係在香港之下. 真香港人做野效率真係世界第一.
@@choiwaiman7465 我接觸既德國人，總係對亞洲人有點高傲，但係佢地既效率可比得上美國公司，而且英文水平幾好，好過法國公司
香港都好多會啦，不過開完會仍然好多嘢做。
Tick step and report process 應該係QA 嘢
鬆仔呢集講得好啱呀！好有同感🎉 英國人同香港人做嘢真係好唔同，要時間適應，可唔可以分享多d !
從英國人的角度來看, 香港人在英國職場上需要學習參與;
如果用香港人嘅說話理解讀就係"香港人在英國職場上需要學習展現你的參與"(show off your participate); 😊
係啦，香港就俾人話咁show off嘅乜乜剩，勁多是非，乜都要勁謙虛最好唔好咁多嗲做多d😅
I agree with you… this is called inefficiency. I have a similar role I had in the past in HK, but only 1/3 workload or even less. For the whole year, we are delicated to work for 4-6 months only, but for the rest of the month, it’s pretty much like sitting here and nothing to do. And the ironic thing is that I’m paying 40% tax rate.
港英公司真係好喜歡開會，我老公做美國公司，開會吹水多過乜，講正經野用少少幾十句「完」，之後又要跟返港公司，又開會，搞到我而家得自已一條油睇電視📺「頂」，又無左家庭電視時段，咁樣睇美國效率唔差兼唔洗扮嘢，主要睇工作表現，老闆會好關心員工個人上的需要，特別家庭需要，假期一定要有家庭樂，一見面一定問你last weekend happy? 星期尾又問你weekend planning ，不過定期食飯飲酒🍻就最好出席啦！我好少睇到有人談論美國生活和工作情況😜
美國好大 好睇個別公司文化
美國好大 好睇公司文化 我公司都開勁多會
可能大城市都會同香港一樣，同堆都係睇地區同公司嘅！
我都認同，在英國大學返工三個月，吹水及擦存在感係很重要。反而有能力去解決問題係無咩價值
25:50 鬆仔對循循善誘的解釋確實獨到😂
Can't agree more
最緊要work smart
我諗我已經成功融入左佢哋嘅文化
多謝鬆仔分享，Can’t agree anymore
Nice topic
而家經濟唔好都唔努力，未來英國前景都有啲危
英經濟差咗好多年
其實英國的吹水文化博大精深，要能投入其中，並不容易，反而做嘢比較容易。首先英文的聽和講的能力要求非常高，聽得明之餘仲要反應夠快，否則入得慢啲，其他人已去了另一個話題，或者你只能陪笑，冇機會講。然後是要有常識和見識，不是只識講天氣，講踢波、飲酒、世界局勢、天文地理歷史，乜嘢都要吹得一下，才是英國人的談話精髓。有一次出差到英國議會，跟那邊的接待人員吃飯，竟然講起了英國的烘焙比賽，幸好我在香港也有看，才搭得上😅
我有一次見工, 開場用搭車黎既方法倣開場白都吹左成個字.😂😂
@@choiwaiman7465 在無關痛癢的開場白中令你放鬆，亦可以從中了解你的溝通和表達能力，也可以約略知道你的為人個性啊
你講得好岩😢
鬆仔聰明知道要一早MARK 好晒D放假日子.....鬆太好"知定" ..... 反應好快...
講得好聽叫職場文化差異，講得實在點就是inefficient, ineffective. 對一間公司而言要有回報有生產，所謂職場文化，其實係….
其實香港 好多大公司都係咁
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Having worked at both East Asian firms and European firms, I feel that the performance evaluation system at East Asian companies focuses more on the quantity and quality of written work (e.g. emails and reports) as well as the contribution of working hours. We are encouraged to be more agreeable and seek approval from reporting managers before speaking with senior management and central teams. European firms, on the other hand, evaluate performance based on visibility, extroversion, and the degree of influence to the entire organization. We are required to turn on cameras whenever we are in virtual meetings, be more outspoken, and be able to transform existing strategies. If you just stay quiet in the team and do whatever your manager told you to do without initiating any changes, your job stability will be at risk. However, I would say that professional image and interpersonal skill are equally vital in both settings, just the ways of how we enhance them are different between the two cultures.
原來係老闆要有存在感！
其實係香港如果係大公司三大原素都有佔比重，如果某某想上位，能見度真係好重要
朝早番工就要同同事傾下午lunch食乜！到下午就要傾我食乜dinner！星期五就會講吓weekend會去邊度玩，星期一返到嚟就會講吓weekend去完玩有咩感受，真係可以咁多嘢講🤣🤣🤣
要寫好log book, 去mark低和記錄你個工作流程架ma，用吹水加開會去解決，又唔準確，又考與會者記憶力，耐性和誠實，難怪英國由上至下冇野做到，冇野建設到，人性品格都冇乜進步。一事無成。其實聽完就係搵好多理由去懶，不負責任和原諒自己不誠實可靠。
絕對贊同英國職場最重要係能見度和social, 工作表現 上司根本不關心。我就係死做難做，解決問題，但英文溝通唔掂，最終就被上司話我唔認溝通，最終被炒了，所以絕對認同今集意見。但我真係改唔到，只係認做嘢，所以響英國再找工作都非常困難。身同感受。
聽見你嘅遭遇到深表同情, 英國職場嘅文化同香港真係好唔同
炒？咩原因？除非犯大錯呢到炒人好難架喎。
我都係唔知點解比人extend probation...我dept head係local，佢之前都有請過香港人，所以不介意請我，但係因為佢地成日small talk,自己又英文有限， 佢地講得快，聽唔明好難加入….我問過呀head係未唔滿意我表現， 所以extend 我probation, 佢話唔係… 只係公司restructuring..最後自己費事比人炒，辭左職…可能因為我能見度底，唔識傾計搞成咁！😢
@@Zonjai多謝鬆仔支持，會繼續努力找工作
@@Birdyie係炒，個excuse from the agency in verbal is "cannot meet expectation from client" , agency 工，supervisor is client of agency... the written reason..is " as per the reason explained in teams meeting>> termination" ,即係唔可以當面寫出來的原因lo...supervisor 唔like lo...
我有啲老細發件剩係得公事嗰段，連收信人名都冇（只係見到收佚有自己電郵至知係俾我），見倒好唔開胃。我一定唔會漏頭頭尾尾，亦勸其他同事唔好學。
有啲同事可以預早整定個標準電郵，頭尾一早寫定，只要加入收信人名同中講公事嗰段就可以。
鬆仔講得好好👍🏻！
Me worked in a major IT company 30+ years ago down in the south coast (no prize for guessing😊), I almost participated in all Company drinking do's, colleagues also set me up a kissogram on my stag night, 非常融入😊
西方文化同東方文化各有優勢，兩邊都應該要有。
今日中午 喺茶餐廳撞到你哋👍🏻
真人同上鏡一樣😊
能見度可以理解為識扮野識擦鞋，係大部份公司同老細嚟講係最重要的，香港從來都係咁！只有小數老細真係睇表現睇成果！
唔一定係擦鞋 但要有俾人見得到既inputs
認同
我覺得自己真係無辦法適應英國office 職場文化，好難用自己有限英文水平應付到
咁可能要增加你嘅英語水平
係香港做左甘耐野, 適應唔到真係好正常. 係香港成日SMALL TALK, 會比同事笑你口水佬, 左住佢做野.
好認同
慢慢適應喇 我講開英文small talk都唔太適應香港同事啲爛gag😂
美國公司老闆曾對說： I don’t care , you just move the heaven to the earth (to get the work done as a result) tough but result orientation , that company very successful! 所以這個大不列顛落後是有原因、用她的網速最有代表性
能見度是指staff visibility
In America, we call that as “sense of ownership”
But fairly speaking I don’t think the British have strong sense of ownership
好片
Hello 鬆仔 鬆太 ❤️❤️❤️
都係㗎。而家因為IT發達唔需要用好多人脳、所以注重左外表因為係代表公司形象。以後落嚟嘅日子更加注重外表同埋嗰個人有冇創作性
我住咗澳洲超過25年， 淨係做過2間公司。 而家從事有關aged care/health related 嘅工作， 我間公司冇香港/中國人除咗我之外， 公司文化同你哋講嘅一樣, 如果唔聲唔聲果D員工真係冇乜人知道佢哋存在 (佢哋唔係點同其他人social) 反而social butterfly 就非常popular而且hea 住做都可以get the best shift/ area.
如果打工既，個個都團結hea，就唔洗咁辛苦。
Email可以半年都唔覆，明明係urgent野。未做完野，夠鐘就收工。做錯野就扯東扯西藉口一大堆，錯完再錯。明明係私人大公司，我以為我做緊public sector😅
英國文化係咁，十多年前在一間英國銀行香港office工作，要升職，你要其他跟你冇工作關係的Senior認識及給你+ve comment。所以啲同事都將focus放在跟工作冇關chat groups，去答其他人的問題。我有一年有個goal，要有兩個其他國家不同team的senior managers比+ve feedback。
舊時係香港都係返大公司感覺上都係能見度高於能力 😂
我最唔慣嘅係英國放break 吹水文化 佢哋就算大把嘢做都可以放低手頭上工作吹水
試過有第二條team 嘅同事朝早走埋嚟坐 吹咗超咗半個鐘
後尾先知佢係過嚟問問題 吹咗成個鐘水先問😑
鬆仔，你說的是真確、真實的
多謝分享。不同行業或公司的文化，總有不同，最重要包容性大啫
Q¹q wow 1awa
香港的外資都是不停開會，日資都係，老闆喜歡公司有團隊精神，想各部門多溝通，諗住工作上會暢順，但大部份都鍾意卸膊，將責任推來推去。😅😅😅😅😅
基本上就係咁
港資公司都係咁
鬆仔分析得好正👍不過始終都係香港人要去融入英國嘅職場文化，而唔係成日要用以往香港模式去同英國比較，心態要正面啲積極啲就得㗎嘞😊
香港人移民都係改不到比較依個心態，身邊移民3年既人都仲係講緊英國有咩唔好，唔好既事就一定有，但唔好比較啦，想改變就用手上個票改變社會
一星期有4日WFH，仲可以增加visibility 咩😅😅
當然可以！Send email/message/開call 一樣係！
Morning
有樣都好常見，就係講同事壞話🫣真係個同事一行開左，啱啱拎轉個背脊，其他同事就即刻可以講佢壞話，明明頭先仲傾得好開心……做緊兩份辦公室工作都有呢個情況，仲要兩份都係細team (5-10人）
所以我覺得英國人真係好假君子 我寧願要香港講晒粗口既真小人
💪💪
good morning
Helloooooooooooo again Mr & Mrs Z
Good morning.
鼓勵香港人繼續移民，我要機會爬上去
For high meeting engagement in every week, It is soooo common in a multi nation company
重要既野要講幾次架馬！
一踏上BA飛機，就會感覺英國氛圍，就係機倉人員之間不斷吹水😂
Relationship building is important more than Hong Kong
我以前喺香港做歐洲公司MNC，老闆唔係坐喺香港。佢成日叫我哋多啲visibility, 唔好淨係做，幾叻都冇人知，就算有升職或其他國家職位空缺嘅機會，都唔會諗起你。成日講多過做嘅同事的確多啲opportunity, 但每個職位都坐唔長⋯⋯可能日久見真章⋯⋯😅
😂😂😂
🎉🎉
係呀，能見度係visibility….香港外國公司都講呢樣野的😊
通常invisibe個D都係做唔到野, 無返工都唔覺眼.
Hello 鬆仔大佬 & 靚靚鬆太❤🎉
我地公司比較求其，成日講嘢都用gifs 同meme.。仲有我地會笑我係老闆甩頭髮。不過我建議大家唔好好似我地咁，我都係做左一排，觀察佢哋嘅做野氣氛先敢搞gag。
P.S. 不過成日開會係真嘅，多鬼餘。
👍😊
感覺內向introverts真係好蝕底😢 默默做嘢deliver your work係唔得嘅
十分認同你嘅分享👍
我仲教返我屋企人，話比佢哋知係英國打工請假係應有嘅權利，唔會唔批。
我英國嘅朋友都同我講，呢邊嘅人事部權力好細，你估好似香港咁咩！
英國嘅人事部基本上係冇權力😂
感覺英國工作文化係流程上太過薑化, 做任何野都要standardize, 變左有時好minor既野都要遵守流程. 呢樣野係香港職場實比人鬧到扑街. 我老闆話甘貴請你梗係result oriented, 唔好比返一堆問題比我.
因為唔跟規矩做 出事你老細一定揹擭😅
@@someernie6179 得英國係甘, 如果係香港職場要求樣樣有規矩跟 請個白紙洗咩請你. 所以係香港撈開既係英國就要改變一下, 執生呢兩個字真係會累死你.
工作上嘅溝通我ok, 但佢哋啲small talk成日都得個聽字😅
英國本地人做事，真係不敢恭維。所以GDP 永遠都咁低。