Why Single Sideband (SSB) is better than FM / AM

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  • @ScientistPrepper
    @ScientistPrepper 4 роки тому +15

    Really great point "Less RF interference on USB". Now I understand this benefit. Other videos no one mentioned that so thank you for the good lesson.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  4 роки тому +2

      Yes you normally get far less noise than FM

  • @WhiteCavendish
    @WhiteCavendish Місяць тому +1

    I'm intrigued to see that your Grant II is nearly identical in terms of the chassis and dials to my Uniden Bearcat 880 (more particularly, the 880SSB) which surprises me. Also, I have been considering getting into SSB but have mostly held off due to the significant cost increase, but I was not aware of the lowered noise floor benefit. Thanks for some good info, and cheers from the Canadian Prairies!

  • @la7yka
    @la7yka 7 місяців тому +2

    Also worth mention the main difference between AM and SSB (you mentioned it but I take it a little more in depth ;) ). When we modulate an AM-signal (let' say with a 1000Hz tone) at 27MHz, we will get 27MHz + and - 1000Hz; so we get 3 frequencies: 26.999MHz, 27.000MHz and 27.001MHz. The highest and lowest frequencies carries the modulation information, similar in both of them. The main carrier at 27.000MHz has no voice information at all. The output power is shared between these 3 frequencies, but we really need only one (lowest or highest) to get the information transmitted. If we remove the carrier (27.000MHz) and the upper side band (27.001MHz), we are left with 26.999MHz. That is our LSB signal. But this signal has all the RF power available, as nothing is lost to the two other frequencies. So in fact we have much more "effective" transmitter power available, than with AM. Technically much more expensive and complex than AM, but with much longer range pr. watt.

  • @w.rustylane5650
    @w.rustylane5650 4 роки тому +9

    I was a side bander back in the mid 70's through the 80's. I see you are on channel 60 where I used to hang out. If I had an antenna I'd try to contact you on single side of upper channel 60. Cheers, mate, from eastern Tennessee.

  • @g8ymw
    @g8ymw 6 років тому +11

    For the benefit of the readers who may not know.
    FM is about 10 kHz wide, ssb is about 2.3 kHz wide.
    The wider the signal needed, the more noise gets through.
    A qualifier, noise is not sound but anything that stops your signal getting through.
    73 de Tony

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому +1

      Thanks Tony for the information.

  • @LeeLocke
    @LeeLocke 6 років тому +3

    Cheers Fred, you make sense of what you said. I have much to learn from your videos mate, Thank you for the inspiration, 73!

  • @willhearn8067
    @willhearn8067 4 роки тому +4

    Thanks for that explanation Fred 👍🏻 Looks like FM has got noisier over the years (used to be ok in the 80's)

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  4 роки тому

      Yes too many electrical items in the ave house these days :-(

  • @markkane5176
    @markkane5176 6 років тому +4

    Another good video Fred , simple and to the point , never really use FM here as SSB is king 👑 , take care pal 👍

  • @johnmckinney1493
    @johnmckinney1493 6 років тому +5

    I just bought a RCI2950. Cant wait to get home and plug it in.

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому

      You will get amazing transmit out of that radio. But your receive will leave something to be desired. I had one given to me. I actually used a scanner for receive and the radio for transmit because the scanner receives much quieter and much further than the RCI-2950. I am going to do the germanium Schottky diode detector modification to it. I ordered the transistors and germanium diodes from Amazon and they should get here soon. The radio mainly sits on a desk because I do not like the receive on it. But I found the components easily and this should change soon.

    • @markhuisinga1698
      @markhuisinga1698 4 роки тому

      How did the new parts work for your receiver? I've had a first generation rci 2950 since they came out. I had my first base station on a starduster (the best antenna in my opinion) got into amatuer radio and moved, 8 years in the military and what do you know the rci 2950 came out of storage again. I look forward to using it on 10 meters. I always used an amplifier with a preamplifier to bring up the receiver and just back the rf gain down to get rid of the hash. I definitely could hear more than I could talk.

  • @Malthael2797
    @Malthael2797 Рік тому +1

    Heyo just leaving a comment here, just a random hobbyist studying but I appreciate this video since there's so little information on this stuff somehow. Great explanation of some advantages of what originally seemed like a kind of confusing way to transmit signal lol

  • @rmccombs66
    @rmccombs66 2 роки тому +5

    I'm just now seeing this video. Another reason not to use FM is the capture effect. if 2 stations are talking at the same time on FM you will only hear the strongest station. On SSB sometimes you can hear more than one station at the same time.

    • @la7yka
      @la7yka 7 місяців тому

      Yes. Also on AM. It's a reason why aircrafts use AM still today.

  • @rpcomms1
    @rpcomms1 6 років тому +2

    Hi Fred,Ive been saying for a while if manufactures fitted proper roofing filters in the RX chain,you'd get a lot less off that noise passing through! Even a basic 15khz 3 poles 1st stage filter would help bring the noise floor down,Ive tried this on the SS3900 and it works very well,it would increase cost but wll worth it.Another problem is most of these radios are far too sensitive when used in a base station set-up and with a gain antenna,for S-meter back the rf gain down till noise floor comfortable and can hear the station,most of the S-meters on CB are not very accurate or track well at 6dB per S-point.Great vid fred as usual!

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому +1

      Thanks for the info. I guess CB's are guilt to a price and cannot compete with HF equipment. However the Grant 2 is getting on for £300 uk :-O

    • @johnratcliffe6438
      @johnratcliffe6438 5 років тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK £300 is pennies compared to the cost of even entry level HF transceivers. What does an ICOM 9700 cost now? £1400? Get one of those in the shack Fred and see how your noise is :)

  • @tomleddy7620
    @tomleddy7620 2 місяці тому +1

    Great video, thanks

  • @Tobinindustrial
    @Tobinindustrial 6 років тому +3

    SSB is my favorite as well Fred. Much quieter and more power typically than AM of course. Once you have your signals clarified you are all set.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому

      Thanks Andy. Hope you are keeping well

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому +2

      In the late 1990s, a 12 watt SSB signal could talk regularly to the Canary Islands from northern Saskatchewan, Canada. Those were amazing times. Even with just 4 watts AM, it was easy to talk to Prince Edward Island from northern Saskatchewan. Many times, I could also talk to Puebla, Mexico. Today, very few use the citizen's band and the band conditions are horrible. Talking around town is about all that can be accomplished on most days on citizen's band. This is also true with 17, 15, 12, 10, 6, 4, 2, meters as well. Thought I am not an amateur radio operator. I remember an amateur radio operator talking on 2 meter USB with about 25 watts of power from Saskatchewan to the Southern United States of America. Today, I barely hear anybody at all in most bands. These are bleak times to be in any sort of a radio hobby. We are in a deep solar minimum where three solar minimums are coinciding together at once. This is not going away anytime soon.

  • @markramsay6399
    @markramsay6399 3 роки тому +1

    Very good video. I have sat here all afternoon working from home with 27.5550 MHz (USB) sitting doing nothing. Made a few calls between emails. But nothing at all - I guess the time of day and weather (including solar weather which for HF reads poor on this band). Got more on bog standard FM earlier lol

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому

      Hi Mark. The bands will be pretty closed now till the spring. Its always worth a listen because you do get small pockets of skip.

  • @andrewandrosow4797
    @andrewandrosow4797 3 роки тому +2

    It`s very difficult to create SSB transmitter In according to AM, PM, FM modulation. You must have a narrowband RF filter and a balancing modulator. There must be two IF in a wideband HF reciever. But there ia aery good alternative -a weaver method. You must have two syncronous DDS generators/

  • @bobcongleton9220
    @bobcongleton9220 3 роки тому +1

    Interesting summary, I was wondering if SSB had any advantages other than power output and range....I'll have to look at SSB closer...Regards...-BC

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому

      Mostly less QRM noise than FM and AM which helps homebased users.

  • @neilcampbell4833
    @neilcampbell4833 3 роки тому +1

    What about using SSB for listening to amateur radio? I was thinking about getting a tecsun pl-330 or pl-680 but I'm not sure if I'll pick up much at all I'm in the UK aswell so maybe quite limited compared to the u.s.a for example. What else might I pick up on an SSB shortwave radio these days I'm not sure it's worth spending the extra money on one and maybe sticking with a radiwow instead without SSB.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому

      Have a google for SDR radio using a cheap dongle and SDR Sharp software for shortwave and Ham

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому

      Hi. There are plenty of radio stations still using shortwave but not so many english speaking. You can pick up Hams on a Tecsun. What about a cheap SDR usb dongle for shortwave ? Google SDR

    • @neilcampbell4833
      @neilcampbell4833 3 роки тому

      I've just been using web SDR and there's very few SW channels on there. They use a massive 20 ft aeriel antenna aswell. There's SSB and LSB there for radio ham's. It's a free website . SSB radios are expensive and there's quality issues with the Chinese brands. Also I think the DSP chips in the radio's affect SW channels.

  • @JohnChrysostom101
    @JohnChrysostom101 Місяць тому +1

    Is this like on old Steros where if the FM stereo radio station comes in crappy you could hit the Stereo/ Mono button and Mono would be Crystal clear

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Місяць тому

      Yeah a rem that. No not really. You just get much longer range on SSB.

  • @erickaminski1472
    @erickaminski1472 4 роки тому +6

    ACTUALLY WHEN YOU ARE IN FM MODE THE NOISE THAT YOU HEAR IS NOT THE INTERFERENCE of OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES BUT THE NATURAL FREQUENCY MODULATION CARRIER STAND BY ECHO WATING TO HAVE INFORMATION (SIGNAL) TO BE PUT ON BY THE MODULATION MIXER FROM A TRANSMITTING STATION. AND SINCE THE SINGLE SIDE BAND SIGNAL HAS NO CARRIER, THEREFORE ONE WILL HEAR NO ANNOYING NOISE WHEN IN SSB EVEN IN THE STAND BY MODE ephemetherson SQ5KIE

  • @MM0IMC
    @MM0IMC 2 роки тому +1

    Is the power supply next the radio, a switch mode type?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 роки тому +1

      Hi yes correct.

    • @MM0IMC
      @MM0IMC 2 роки тому

      @@CB-RADIO-UK do you get any QRM from that?

  • @elliothuh669
    @elliothuh669 2 роки тому +1

    SSB is SSOOO much better than AM. AM requires a really good set up. I have two AM CB radios. Which I think I am going to retire from for the most part. On roads trips they can be sort of fun.. And most SSB radios will do AM too. Making an AM CB kinda obsolete. Anyone, who wants to buy a CB hoping to make contacts, Make sure it can do SSB.

  • @68LP13
    @68LP13 3 роки тому +1

    I could throw a stone and maybe hit a window across the road where our main High School is, and there is new Led street light outside my house, then there is a nursing home right besid my house split by a row of hedges and I have the same radio President Grant II Premium and your SSB static noise level is the same S Points as my FM giving me local chat and slightly further FM chat pick up no problem.
    If you did the same FM/SSB test on your FT450 and your Alinco would you still get the same result? The reason for asking and I have brought this up a few times with people that sometimes it can be the quality of the radio's fault. I have watched many of your videos Fred and felt your pain when you went through shutting the house power down etc, I have had three different radios that the needle didn't lift with noise and when local stations came in the nearly bent the needle incase some may say I merely lowered the RF gain and that was not the case. I even took one of these radios to my brother's home where he complained about the noise level was on the S8-9 solid and we put my Cobra I48 GTL DX, Cobra 25 LTD ST and my Major Excalibur 200 onto his antenna, all three radios on an empty channel on a normal night gave from no lift to less than S1.
    The worst radio for noise I ever had was a CRT 6900 and a couple of other Cybernet radios. My Yaesu FT450 MKIII (before the D model) is pretty good with around the same as my President Grant II Premium between 1 - 2 S points on normal days.
    Food for thought by trying other radios to see if you get different results.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому +1

      Hi. Quick reply. On FM noise S level is about the same on all my radios. SSB the HF radios do a lot better with far less S point noise. I normally back off the RF gain on the 9900 and 6900 as they are very sensitive. Grant 2 is the worse for picking up QRM. The NB filter on both my Alinco HF radios and 450 is miles better than the others. See video here. ua-cam.com/video/JZQ_VFr83Wk/v-deo.html

  • @ciro79
    @ciro79 5 років тому +1

    More narrow bandwith of transmitter and the receiver,more range.That is the point of using just 300Hz wide CW telegraphy and digital modes like FT8......SSB is narrowest way to translate human voice,just 3khz wide so it do have more range and more signal strenth at given power level than 10 khz wide FM or AM modulations.

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому

      AM and FM yeild more clarity because of the bandwidth. But they are not very good for DX. But they still can make a long distance trip as well.

  • @Marg1312
    @Marg1312 3 роки тому +2

    9 FM fans found this video, along with 1 AM fan.

  • @txbob5978
    @txbob5978 11 місяців тому +1

    Your FM is in the UK so FM in other parts of the world can differ, right?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  11 місяців тому

      Hi. Yes. We got our own unique set of FM channels. Most other parts of the world used the Euro Mid Block channels.

  • @chrishorst6993
    @chrishorst6993 3 роки тому +1

    Just wondering is there a limit on how high your antenna can be

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 роки тому +1

      Its a grey area and depends on local councils. You really need approval to erect an antenna on your house but no restriction on a free standing mount.

    • @chrishorst6993
      @chrishorst6993 3 роки тому

      @@CB-RADIO-UK thank you always wondered

  • @johnnybravo3732
    @johnnybravo3732 2 роки тому +1

    Hi....im new to cb radio.....and i really like this radio but its hard to acquire it. Seems its all sold out.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 роки тому

      Hi, Yes the Grant has been stopped. Its replacement is the McKinley.

  • @ngawairangi3694
    @ngawairangi3694 2 роки тому +1

    How much for one of those side band cb fm an am

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 роки тому

      Got a video coming on Sat which will answer that.

  • @polarbear5464
    @polarbear5464 3 роки тому

    Is 20 W in ssb with a 1/2 dipole enough for dxing?

  • @indiana146
    @indiana146 4 роки тому +1

    Is there nothing that will filter the qrm out

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  4 роки тому

      You can get filters. However iam not 100% they totally work.

    • @raytowler2286
      @raytowler2286 4 роки тому

      One idea 💡 to try Fred, have you tried to use an antenna as far from the house as practically possible? It's just that some of my aerials are around 12m from the houses, I get very little Qrm. Compared to the long wire which is fed from the shack in the house 🏡, I get an average of S7. On the 'wire gain master' and smart tuned vertical I get much better signal to noise ratio quality (away from the houses). One final thing... Good screened coax is a bonus (especially double screened) for keeping away unwanted noise.
      Enjoying your video's Fred 😉 👍
      Best 73

  • @M7XCB
    @M7XCB 6 років тому +2

    Like ssb for DX best and over 20 mile and Am local and DX. I do have grant 2 it not my cup of tea like older radios like present Jackson & grant Cober 148 gtl Dx still the best radios today.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому +1

      I like the quality of the Grant but mine does bring in a lot of noise.

  • @radiosification
    @radiosification 6 років тому +1

    It would be good if you could do a test with a weak signal and switch between SSB and FM.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому +1

      I could try but around my area most distant contacts are all SSB.

    • @radiosification
      @radiosification 6 років тому +1

      Do they not have FM capability?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому

      They do but once on the net they really will not want to jump up and down modes for a video. I have done fm and SSB compare contact videos on a few radios but only around 8 miles out.

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK I have compared all modes in the past. FM was the shortest range, but clearest due to bandwidth. AM was second shortest range it has a bandwidth just a bit narrower than FM. DSB had more range than AM. SSB had great range but clarity was rather poor. CW had phenomenal range but no voice can be sent over such a narrow signal.

  • @markgutteridge
    @markgutteridge 6 років тому +2

    Great video fred ssb in my mind is best take care Mark from Loughborough Leicestershire 2674

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому

      You should see how far CW goes. I am really bad at it but it is amazing to hear a signal from Japan getting to Saskatchewan, Canada with only 10 watts. I am not an amateur radio operator. But I listen in a lot. CW is amazing when it comes to propagation. I even tapped out a slow Morse Code message on 38 USB and got a response once. With today's horrible atmospheric propagation, I was still able to receive from Washington, USA to Saskatchewan, Canada with just 12 watts. If only a voice mode could go that far in today's atmospheric propagation times regularly.

  • @ep1929
    @ep1929 3 роки тому +2

    I can get a great range on ssb, I'd say if radius is ten mile out on FM, then 30+ miles is achievable on ssb (ground wave obviously)

  • @marinmarin7187
    @marinmarin7187 4 роки тому +1

    Is that Grand 2 radio better then CRT SS9900?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  4 роки тому

      I would say its built better and nicer to use but performance wise the 9900 knocks it for six.

  • @eddiefreeman2395
    @eddiefreeman2395 5 років тому

    Hi Fred,
    Do you know of any small SSB radios?
    Thanks
    Eddie 👍

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  5 років тому

      I dont know of any micro sized radios. I suppose the CRT 9900 is fairly small

    • @moconnor50
      @moconnor50 4 роки тому

      @@CB-RADIO-UK CCrane Skywave SSB Radio

    • @escapetherace1943
      @escapetherace1943 3 роки тому

      @@moconnor50 it's receiver only though mate, I consider it implied he wants a transceiver.

  • @Tonyvic75
    @Tonyvic75 2 роки тому +1

    I wish my results were the same, I always get more noise on SSB S7-9 but on the muppets only S4-5 Huh.😠

  • @mindblast3901
    @mindblast3901 2 роки тому

    SSB Talk it up it will punch through

  • @kisho2679
    @kisho2679 2 роки тому

    does SSB reach 80 miles?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 роки тому

      It can with some skip but normally not

    • @kisho2679
      @kisho2679 2 роки тому

      @@CB-RADIO-UK what do u meant precisely by "skipping"?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 роки тому

      Hi here you go . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortwave_radio

  • @igitwams
    @igitwams 6 років тому +1

    I don't get it about FM. My 2 meter rig is FM and I have almost zero noise when talking to someone.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому

      HF gear tend to have better filters. All my CB radios suffer some noise.

    • @NUBBY39
      @NUBBY39 6 років тому

      11m is always been known for noise, 2m, 70cm, 12m, 10m has always been more quiet and attracted less interference

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому

      The VHF frequencies carry radio noise a lot shorter distances than the HF frequencies. UHF frequencies are even quieter. HF allows the signal to bounce off the layers of the atmosphere and goes much further because of it. But VHF and UHF are much quiter. This is why it is important to have HF, VHF, and UHF frequencies at your disposal. There is a lot of RF noise produced by lots of equipment also. Not so much produces VHF and UHF noise that travels far.

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 5 років тому

      @@NUBBY39 10 and 12 can be very noisy as well. A lot of equipment produces RF noise on the HF scale. I have to turn the squelch up significantly to listen to any frequency lower than 30 megacycles.

  • @stephengunrunnerhanson3550
    @stephengunrunnerhanson3550 6 років тому +2

    Great video but the grant2 is known to be a crap magnet older radios are better filtered as when I had my grant2 it was 7-8 of noise but on my stalker 9 1.1of noise.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому +3

      Yes agree. Thats why you dont often see it in my videos. Its a nice build though.

  • @royneil2951
    @royneil2951 6 років тому +1

    Excellent video as usual Fred, simple and easily understood for those just starting. Hope you had a relaxing Easter break. We had a nice snowy one. It was like Christmas with Bunny rabbits and chocolate eggs. LoL.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому

      Hi Roy. We had a very very wet rainy easter.

  • @jhallo7740
    @jhallo7740 6 років тому

    My copy of the grant 2 is low on ssb modulation.Anyone here who knows how to crank it up? (even with amplified table mic is mod low)

  • @johnmclean992
    @johnmclean992 6 років тому +1

    As usual Fred talks sense.

  • @bmort6444
    @bmort6444 7 місяців тому

    Ever heard of squelch?

  • @WW5RM
    @WW5RM Рік тому

    Null and void because you changed frequency! Stay on frequency and only change the mode!
    Also. Its a Mode not a band.

  • @markwaughman2842
    @markwaughman2842 6 років тому

    Me again .still not back on ☹️, funds not allowing . Hopefully after Christmas , unless santa has something in his sack for me .
    To my question for you all .
    Out of the new modern multi modes what one has the best receive ? .
    Back in the day I always used cybernet radios , sticking with a harrier cbx in the end .
    So which one's got the the best ear's over all the modes . Cheers

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 років тому

      Hi. The Grant 2 (not prem) has the worst if used at home as it picks up to much QRM. Its fine if you get it out in the open. There is not much between the CRT6900N and the 9900. Both do a good job on SSB.

  • @diyfamily6848
    @diyfamily6848 4 місяці тому

    I dont think you fully understand the subject you are talking about. For starters the noise you are hearing on fm is not QRM as your fm reciever is imune to this, anyway the noise will be the same on a quiet channel because this noise is internaly generated in the fm receiver itself. I think you are mixing this up with AM. If you have an electrical noise problem at your QTH you will be much better off using FM and you will pull in distant stations better with this for sure.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  4 місяці тому

      What i do know is that in FM mode i get S7 of noise and in SSB S1-2.

  • @union310
    @union310 8 місяців тому

    Well I completely wasted my money buying a CB and thunderpole, not a single person on at all.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  8 місяців тому

      Even on SSB. Its crashing in here ?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  8 місяців тому

      Try this video. ua-cam.com/video/ex4wfWM1Tvs/v-deo.html

    • @union310
      @union310 8 місяців тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK I am going down the licensed route.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  8 місяців тому

      Good on you. So many people start on CB and then move along. You can always pop back to 11m when the skips in. Good luck.

  • @johnlupo3919
    @johnlupo3919 5 років тому

    WHAT THE HELL IS: STRAIGHT AWAY????????????????????

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  5 років тому +1

      Sorry need a bit more to understand the question.

    • @CometFire2010
      @CometFire2010 5 років тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK probably meant the QRM instantly going down when switching to ssb mode.