#1 upgrade for your Airplane, cheap too!!
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Surefly is easily the best overall upgrade you can make to your airplane. And for only $1400-$1700 is one of the cheapest!!
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Great to hear the backstory to their success. Thanks Jimmy!
It's a great team that has shown how to be successful in this world.
Slowly the Certified world is catching up to the Tech of the 90's!
hahahaha, so true!
Even earlier, cars have had electronic ignition since the 1970s.
I've got one going on my Warrior PA28-161 next week. We have a small change on the install because I have an EI electronic tach. So that means a 4.75K ohm resistor off of the p-lead on the tach needs to be installed too.
I also got mine directly from Surefly. I think I saved about $600.00
Nice! Good to know on that tach.
Shout out to Jason H at Surefly, he is awesome. Your video was perfectly timed (there I go again) - Today, I installed my dedicated 14G wire from the battery (which is located in the back behind the bulkhead) to the mag. I can't wait to see the difference in starting. I am also going with the vacuum advance option, I will use a 1/8" NPT to 1/8" barb for that connection. According to Jason, the only difference between the ones that they build for Lycoming in black and the blue ones we have - is that the black ones have a 'less aggressive' advance - a conservative approach that Lycoming insisted on. Jimmy, as always, great job, this time impersonating a reporter.
That's great! Check back in when you get it installed. I'd be curious to know your experience.
5 months now. How is it?
@@8literbeater I forgot to update, sorry. I absolutely love the Surefly! My Arrow was very difficult to start when warm or hot and was frustrating having to use all of those crazy techniques to get the engine running. Those days are a thing of the past. I can now easily start the engine and have significantly more confidence that I won't get stuck out because I killed the battery. This was the primary reason why I installed the electronic ignition - more reliable engine starts under all conditions. The other benefits of better fuel economy, smoother running engine, more reliable, and whatever other folks are talking about - are not that impressive or significant to me. What are your thoughts about the Surefly?
@@JS-lg7vm I have 3 Cessna 150s. They're notoriously easy to start in my experience. I've really never had problems starting any plane I've flown, from Arrows and Cardinals to Barons and Chancellors. I suppose I've been lucky. I'm interested in the efficiency and reliability. I've only had one mag failure, but they're supposed to have inspections every 500 hours. My planes fly a minimum of 100 hours a month, sometimes well over 200 hours. (edit: each plane flies that much) I suppose I could keep spare mags on standby to change out all the time, but I think the efficiency of a Surefly would really help out, especially if I can avoid changing a mag every month. Presently I just ignore the 500 hour recommendation. I'm also looking at the Electroair, but I don't know if it's worth the extra price.
@@8literbeaterLike you, every plane I have ever been in has been quite easy to start - in fact, I never really thought about it before. Just get in and start it up - the planes tell you what it needs. However, this Arrow - not so much. Quick story, I got a little frustrated that I was having these starting issues. I looked all over the the internet and that was mostly no help finding a "real" solution. I even came across a very experienced instructor pilot (who apparently is neck-and-neck with God for being all knowing, etc), so I asked him to give me a lesson on what he would do and how he would handle it. Well, no surprise, he drained my battery and never got it started. After a lot of research and understanding of my specific issue - I found that I needed a very "hot" spark to overcome my issues. If you are interested, I can go into what is happening - such as fuel injection vapor lock caused by the routing of the fuel lines over the engine, etc, but that is what you are not interested in. So, my engine was coming up on the 500 hour - and I was going to send out my mags. There was a recall several years back on some of the replaceable mag parts that could have been contributing to my problem. So, I was faced with roughly $500 bill to overhaul my mags and for about $1000 additional, I could completely replace my mag with the Surefly. I thought, what do I have to lose? Well, as I mentioned earlier - it completely solved my starting issues. The mag is incredibly reliable - just like your car. In fact, once you install it - you don't touch it again until you overhaul your engine - ultimately saving significant money if you have a 2000 hour TBO as compared to the mag overhaul process. Some aircraft have a TSO vacuum advance feature, which I installed. The result, is better fuel economy above 4-5K feet and a noticeably smoother running engine. It's not a ton - I am able to lean very precisely and have chosen to lean rich-of-peak which is not as fuel efficient as lean-of-peak and have noticed about 1.3 GPH fuel savings. In the end, not very much, but it is saving fuel nonetheless. If you have a complete electrical failure, once the battery dies, then you will only be operating on your #2 - right old mag. Not a big deal, you would have plenty of time to work through this situation. One other thing...In some Bendix switches - the key to start the airplane, if you flip the key really fast, you could cause a backfire if doing a runup mag check at 2000 RPM. This is a result of the Surefly electronically shutting off and then back on. We are talking about micro-seconds but if you turn the key slow it doesn't do it. Another way to prevent is to do the mag check at 1500 RPM and the rest at 2000 RPM. Surefly is working this issue...Future models will get programmed to fix this. Finally, Lycoming is putting the Surefly on new engines now - they are just that good with really no draw back. All this to say, this is an absolute no brainer - get a Surefly! You will be glad you did. Let me know what you decide to do.
Great job Jimmy, informative and entertaining. I have to replace my mags and on Monday I will put in my order and fly to an authorized shop for
The install. Thank you Jimmy for helping me make this decision easy. By the way I love your unique approach to aviation. Keep it up
I'm installing one on my 77 Grumman AA-5B Tiger at my next annual next month. Can't wait!
Nice!
Looks like a improvement for sure. I have a Europa mono with a Rotax 914 so it won't be for me but my Dad would have loved them, he flew for over 40 years commercially in remote area's of the western arctic and he had some mag trouble over all those years without doubt. Thx for the info Jimmy
Excellent film footage and dialogue.
thanks!
Only 1700. Wonderful. Buy one then. I applaud you.
buy one for the wife too!
Try not to interrupt the person you are interviewing. Be polite and professional and let the person speak without constant interruptions. Thanks
Yeah, I noticed that in the playback as well...
Wow! Those prices seem very reasonable. Down there with most Automotive Electronic Ignitions.
Without doubt some form of electronic ignition will improve your engine performance , both the Surefly and electroair systems have their strengths and weaknesses and both are good products. Jimmy makes the sweeping statement that the Electroair system is a pain in the but to install however the guy from Surefly is reluctant to criticise the competitor probably because he thinks it is a good product that just comes at the problem from a different angle. From my point of view having seen the Electroair product in action I would say the extra complexity of the system is justified by the performance that I have seen demonstrated especially in fuel saving. However the bottom line is you will not regret ditching one magnito whatever electronic ignition system you decide to buy.
I got wrecked Skytech starters and drive cogs on my C90 because of the impulse failures, I was forced to keep buying mags because of the attitude in the UK towards the electronic ignition on homebuilts mainly from ONE person in control of the rules.
The LAA attitude changed nearly ten years back when people demonstrated the safety and reliability of the systems.
These guys are super, and build a super product. I haven't bought one yet, but I'm will be soon.
lycoming has it now as well
I’m in the market for a new mag and will definitely be checking this out.
100% agree
That's what I did on both occasions.
Love Surefly!
Magnetos have worked pretty damn good for the last 100 years, not saying theres no room for improvement, but if the ignition system depends on the aircrafts electrical system for power, I'll never agree with that
I just don’t understand why every plane doesn’t have one of these on each engine. Saves fuel and saves starters and gain Performace and it changes you timing flawlessly to retard it or advances your timing and if you fly lean of peak it sets your timing for that and hot starts are a thing of the past. So it’s a no brainer, go and get you one or two. These thing on a light twin are out standing save at least 1-2 gal per side and any time you save fuel is money !
" why did you go to race" spit coffee all over my shop. Dang nabbit Jim......that there was funny.
Horseshoe Mags were cool on the Fairbanks-Morse 3.5 HP stationary engine my Dad restored. It weighed 300-400 pounds. So ~ .01 HP/Pound. No spark plugs. Breaker points inside the combustion chamber. Frequent cleaning a must. Built in the 190O-1910 time period. Definitely EMP and Solar Storm proof. I’m so glad to see aviation engines join the 21st Century. Support these risk taking, creative, and persevering entrepreneurial engineers. Communist China has almost no General Aviation and > 4.33 times the US Population. Communists didn’t come up with idea, design, prototype, FAA certification and production. American Entrepreneurs did it. In a Republic using Democratic Principles under the Constitution of the United States. That includes the Individual Natural God-given Bill of Rights. My FBO boss in the late 1970s hated mags. Especially the “2 mags in one” that had a high failure rate. So much for redundancy. Thanks for developing this.
That is a crazy story! and yes! Murica!
Love to see a solution for dual-mag housing Lycomings!
I didn't listen to the entire video but I believe they give you at least 1% better power and better fuel economy. After 2500* hours you replace it. My understanding with Bendix and the other Magneto company is they must be serviced after 500 hours. Planes like the Malibu etc. use pressurized mags.
You don’t replace it after 2500 hrs, you send it in for an inspection after 2400 hrs and it gets sent back to you to be reinstalled
Would you get rid of carbs too. Mixture controls a fifth of the way through the 21st century are an anachronism.
One of these is going into next year's budget. Thanks, Jimmy. PS: Do you have a Jimmy's World discount code for one of these!?! 😀
Another thing on my list.
The only drawback is cutting into the profits of a mechanic/repair shop. Magneto parts are uber expensive. I would have pushed these if they were available when I was in business.
You nailed it.
Awesome!
Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video!
Love ur videos. Enjoy the sarcasm. Lol
Thanks! hahaha
Question for you JIMMY!! Did you go with the impulse coupled or non impulsed one? Second, when you installed on your 180, battery is in the rear. Did you run a wire all the way from the battery or attach the power to your breaker panel?
Left side, strong side! on both the 180 and the 6. Only because that's the ones that had to be replaced. On the 180, that year (1967) had a strange 2 solenoid setup on the battery and so I had to attach it on the solenoid side of the master switch power.
@@therealjimmysworld did you go with the sim4p or sim4N
4p on the 180. left/coupled side
I flew a 172 with an electroair on one side and a mag on the other, it kept burning through the ign wires or burning the spark plugs every month. The entire system components where from them but it was a constant problem. Ran like a Swiss watch for a month before the thing started missing again and had to be fixed every month. Too much power for the plugs and wires. Went back to mags.
can't speak to that setup, but, I've put several hundred hours on mine with 0 issues and no adjustments since install.
Like the other guy said I have seen an Electroair system that has given zero problems over the two years since installation, are you sure that the very specific instructions for the ignition cables was followed ?
For only around $1,600 it pays for itself over time.
Would be nice to know what the heck a magneto does / is . Non pilot here I have heard the term many years never knowing it's function...Just googled it. Ohhhhh my.
Thanks for your comment, glad you enjoyed the video!
Jimmy’s been drinking. Dude, stop cutting the guy off
Still issues with 24v versions? Hoping that if there are that they get worked out.
Good question, first I've heard of it. Maybe someone on here can update us?
Unfortunately my Commander 114 has a Lycoming IO540 with the infamous Dual Mag setup so I can't install electronic ignition...
doh! yeah... that's a bummer.
And good luck finding parts in the future. Mag shops are increasingly NOT working on the dual mags ....too much of a head ache for them.
nothing a big stack of money can't fix...
@@ronstowell8646 Make it an experimental and put an Edge performance engine on it and get 300hp and all electric and better fuel burn.
Hey Jimmy, I would love to have an electronic mag but have a hard time justifying removing a perfectly good mag. Do they ever give a discount at the shows?
my way of justifying it is, "As soon as I have to spend $0.01 on a mag, I'm putting this on there." So, run the mag while it lasts and WHEN it fails or needs a 500hr, use it for a tire chalk and put a surefly on it ;)
@@therealjimmysworld perfect for a Tire Chock. Very Heavy Scrap Metal.
@@therealjimmysworld Love the channel! Good advice.
Thanks! I'm glad one of us is learning something ;) hahaha
Did he say you have to have a battery to hook this up to? If so what happens when you lose electrical system?
oh how Mag-Neet-O
buh dum bum chee
Any chance they are working on a Dual mag (not the two single mag, but the dual mag as in a O-360- A1F6D)??
I do know they are working on it.... FAA takes a long time to get anything done... basically (you didn't hear this from me) it will have a small battery for backup power. Similar to all the efd's.
@@therealjimmysworld Mums the word. I know nasink. Jimmy who?
G,day Jimmys World from Sydney, Australia.
ELECTRONIC IGNITION
The plane owner still has the cost of wiring to ignition switch and plugs ( Savvy aviation, webinar Magnitios) 2021.
Q2. The size of the unit can replace the Bendiks or Slick 500 hourly units?
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Hello, the box comes with a generous length of power wire for the battery connection and the electrical connectors/terminals. the only thing I had to buy was the brass fitting for the vacuum advance. And yes, it replaced a slick mag on my 180 and a bendix on my 6. I did have to buy a slick harness for the bendix replacement (ebay $60usd)
Stupid NOT to have electronic ignition
1 million % agree!!!
i want to install one of this in my cessna 172k here in florida. who can install it?
Stop cutting the guy off. Let him talk. You asked the question, let him answer it.
Go buy one...
Jimmy - quit talking over him. Annoying and rude.
Yeah, I did notice that in the video... I was just so excited!
Lol...code words for you're going too far on taboo subject for me to represent my company: "back it up"!
hahahaha, did you see his face?! He's like, oh man, I may regret this interview...
Did they ever give you a discount haha?
no.... he even said if I bought another plane I wouldn't get a discount on that one either. I'm still going to buy one though... lol
@@therealjimmysworld wtf lol they got almost 6000 impressions so far! I just found your channel man. Im 32 and kinda struggling with addiction issues but 10 years ago I had my recreational license and med cert. Engrossing myself in aviation videos like these really help me to keep my head pointed in the correct direction so thanks for the unexpected role you are playing in my recovery. 😀💪
Wait until sales grow by 10% because of your videos....then they will give them to you as a promotion....Lol....you will have a SURE FLY sticker on every airplane henceforth.
E-mag does not solve the problem of Mag misfire blowing an engine in flight, it still can do the same misfire failure, only a different way. Emags are therefore no improvement at all. . As a long time aerospace scientist who knows what he is talking about. The problem in ALL FAA approved dual redundant of Mags, Whether E mag or Mechanical mag IS misfiring and causing pre detonation in flight blowing a engine. In the traditional mag such a failure is related to the Plastic gear failures, teeth breaking off and causing the timing to shift as the gear slips. . In the E mag such a failure still exists in the failure mode of the pickups and the electronic switch for the coil. There is nothing on the market to prevent any mag no matter what kind it is from causing pre detonation. But there can be. I have a design solution . My system would automatically and instantly prevent a bad Mag from firing plugs even one time. IT would also alert the pilot of a mag failure. SO that he could switch to the good mag.
Well bless your heart
@@frankmeyers7304 Its not a joke. My designs are in many planes today and in space. In fact this web message is made possible by my designs that are part of the north American communications system. I'm not giving away my designs anymore for free, to companies i work for, to watch them get rich. I do have a way to prevent e mags from firing at the wrong time due to any failure that may cause it.
Seems like a no brainer and the FAA should get off their lazy asses and certify all your applications with two batteries.
The FAA mandate is to harass and annoy
Awesome product. Awesome product team. But who the he** gave this kid a mic?? WORST Interviewer ever! STF up and let the man talk FFS!!
I'm glad you like the product! Take it easy poncho, I was nervous and this was my first interview... simma down now. mister rude text speaker. This might be a dumb question.... if you hated the video and me so much, why did you subscribe? you do know that I don't get any less annoying... just ask my wife... hahahaha
Jimmy, be quiet when you're interviewing someone. Your interruptions are the sign of an amateur
OMG THYE AREN'T WEARING MASKS.
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