@@texas2strokes727 the 2014 and newer WR250s are all 6-speeds. Same with the 250FX models. Yamaha knew what they were doing there. Hopefully they would have the sense if they made a real 300, they would have a 6-speed.
I agree. Even an updated WR300R would do well honestly. Just bring the small bore WR dual sport back with a slightly stronger engine that has more low end grunt and the newer headlight from the other WR bikes and you automatically have a winner in the marketplace without having to invest in a ton of R&D.
So many 300 2strokes with efi, hydro clutch, counter balance, 6speed, etc… and with a $10,000+ price tag! The yz250x is popular bc of the price and reliability.
Guys buying new enduro / woods bikes expect fuel injection, electric start, hydraulic clutch, counter balance, etc. We've been getting this from KTM for 5 years, no one wants to go backwards. It would be great to have some Japanese competition because $12K+ out the door for the Austrian bikes is getting old.
Fantic and Minarelli did a real good job on this engine! This year Davide Guarneri raced a protype fantic XX 300 with this engine and he was able to lead the EnduroGp E3 class until a big injury stopped him!
Well, i guess they would sell very well! Tbh, i dont really think that yamaha will produce a yz300 at all, rather i think fantic will start to import the XE line in the US. The old yz engine that yamaha lent to fantic is almost completely new and unknown to the japanese brand.
@@Mattflea It makes no sense to me. So many US riders are loyal to Yamaha but they ride KTM for Enduro bikes because Yamaha has no competitive offering. So much missed opportunity
@@OtisFlint I know, but I mean, Yamaha didn't renew at all their 2strokes bike during these year... Yeah I know small changes has been made, but that's it! Here in Europe we don't even get a Yamaha yz with wide ratio, we just get the the Mx version. A friend of mine rode his yz125 to the 6days, but it's a Mx bike made street legal (Yamaha doesn't sell street legal 2strokes here) with a 18' rear and a headlight: That's it! (Spoiler alert, he wished multiple times to have an e-starter but Yamaha said "nope") Until now, this was the only option we had. I'll make an example, in Europe the not so "brand new" Fantic Xe125 (yz125x basically) is one of the most sold bikes of them all! That's because all the Yamaha guys went for them! They saw a street legal Yz, but made by fantic; And this example is also valid for the 4 strokes category. Notice how Yamaha doesn't have ANY team in EnduroGp or WESS, they only compete in MX/SX. (Fantic has multiple teams in Mx and the enduroGp team E50 which is the one that's using the Xe300 engine) The Collab between fantic and Yamaha started almost 3 years ago, and in all this time Yamaha didn't care to use all the research made by fantic to join the enduro market, they just don't care at all.
Wow! a 300cc 2 stroke engine with e start, and FI!...Whoa! If only that kind of engine was available and been under development for years from another maker.............just imagine.......
Need a 350 2-stroke with EFI, vibration reduction, and all the new updates. 60rwhp+-. Broad torque range. Shhtloads of low end. Compete against 450 4-bangers. WooO! 🤙
@@kylejefferies5218 I think you can just opt for whatever you like. If a 350 2stroke with 60rwhp isnt your preferences, then opt for a 250 4-stroke!. Each to their own I say :)
@@kylejefferies5218 You can look up a bunch of 500 2-storkes here on yt that are putting out over 70hp. Tyler Bower's KX 500 for example puts out around 75hp. Was mentioned in his bout at straight rhythm vs Pastrana's RMZilla 500 2stroke that was said to be delivering hp in the late 70's! Phew! So as I say, it's more about your preference and what you can handle. But for me, it's a 350 2-stroke with 60hp stock. 👍 Merry fcuking xmas!🎄🎅🎄🎅
@@kylejefferies5218 actually it is more about the torque rather than the max HP, a 350 will have max torque from the bottom, that is what is needed in hard enduro, no need high rpm where you get most of the hp.
Minarelli engine's have always been strong as a child I rode many bike's powered by minarelli's fantic's, gilera's, malaguti's. I look forward to seeing this new fantic in the flesh!!!👌
If Yamaha had a e start on the yz250x I would have left my dealer with that instead of my Beta.The tranny is more hare scramble/gncc than hard enduro but I would work with that.I won many offroad races on yz 250,s but demand e start on my bikes now.The excellent Yamaha suspension is such a major winner in my book.
This is excellent news. Its also possibly better than you think. Remember most of the 2T 500's were just big bore/stroke jobs on a 250. All the things they have done to this engine work well with a larger capacity - electric start, direct injection - all tend to favour more cc's. I wonder how long it would be.
I'm excited to see if we can get a bike with this engine too. The 300s of the past were 250 based. Iirc ktm had a 380 and it was based on the 250 bottom and a different top end. The 500s of the past were always a clean sheet design, or bored and stroked 4-- something engines.
I have been riding yamaha since 1967. I ride a 2020 yz250x now. Yes I have had kawasaki, ktm, husky, steens, Rickman, Honda, gasgas bikes too but always go back to yamaha. Raced motocross, enduro, and now trail ride 98% of time. I like 4T and 2T 50/50. Like having both. I have to tell you my yz250x is my favorite so far. Yes I would like an electric start even though I stall much less than most others I ride with that have electric start. I have to try harder not to stall due to lots of good technical riding I do and many places tough to restart with kickstarter not having clearance. I ride with approx 45 other riders. Actually over 100 riders in our grp that ride most every week as well as friends from other states and Canada. I wish I had the fantac 300. I would love to test it and show it off here in the states. I am actually getting ready to head out for 9 months to a yr riding all over the US and Canada. I was hoping the Fantic 300x would of already been released here in US. YZ250x is great 90% of the time but 300x grunt would be great along with electric start. 5 spd or 6 spd not sure witch I like better. 95% time don't need another gear so not a deal breaker. My stock carb works great with the main and pilot jet minor change. Also for various elevations from 1000 ft above sea level to 14,000 I just adjust the air fuel mixture screw. Do this quite often because I ride desert and even a little snow with several altitude levels between. Arizona has it all including dunes. I would love to by the Fantic, test it and write about the pros and cons and make suggestions improvements. Nice thing about yamaha is the rims don't crack and stay true without having to retorque spokes, the engines are very reliable including clutch and piston very slow to wear. I use synthetic in gear box and 2T mix. Also chain. I ride many of the new bikes that come out but always happy to throw my leg over my yamahas. Handling, performance, reliability, looks is always complimented from previous yamaha owners. Even though they are riding ktms, huskies, sherco, gasgas, honda, those that owned yzs in the past most always say their YZs were great bikes. I would like to get my hands on a fantic 300. I have heard that yamaha is going to build the 300x but I have been waiting for that to happen for several years. Let me know if I could get the Fantic and I am ready to make it happen.
TM Racing has been building a counterbalanced, E start, E power valve, 250/300 2T for years. They come factory with KYB, aluminum frame and all the high end bits. And you can still get them with Keihin carbs.
I would like to see a true MX bike with 2T engine that is fuel injected because I feel that they would destroy the 4 strokes in Supercross and might even be better on fuel. The technology has been around since the 90s on sleds and outboards and what's even crazier about it is that they were found to produce lower emissions than their 4 stroke equivalents. Please make it and market it in America!
Yamaha, like all Japanese manufacturers abandoned 2 stroke development many years ago which is why the only changes to the YZ250 are cosmetic and bolt on component, because of stricter emission requirements all the Japanese manufacturers deemed it unprofitable to further develop 2 stroke technology, unless Yamaha decides to change the way they do business you will not see the YZ250 engine change, the major expense of changing all the tooling and the engineering support required to make that expense profitable is a risk that Yamaha is just not willing to make, they literally handed the whole 2 stroke market to the Europeans and KTM saw the opportunity and ran with it and now dominate it because they have no real competition when it comes to bringing R&D into full scale manufacturing, one off hand built concepts are one thing but rarely do they ever develop into full scale production models available to the general public and when they do they are usually no where near what the original concept was.
Being a Euro we know and trust Minarelli for sure! My son currently runs a KTM LC2 which is a 1997 KTM 300 exc chassis with a Minarelli-built Yam DT 125 LC engine, something that never got to the USA I guess. In fact all the DT125 and 200LC's were built in Europe as was the suspension etc as Yamaha also bought Paoli (ex Ceriani) to make Kayaba equipment in Italy.
A friend of mine had that bike too! its not as powerfull as others 125 engine, but for dual sport purpose is such a fun machine! Almost indistructible!
I'm not sure anyone actually "wants" a 125 stroker nowadays, in Europe it's the limit for young riders and the emissions are always a problem, Yamaha went to a 4 stroke in 2006. Because young riders are limited to 125cc and 15hp there's no advantage in having a 2 stroke, they are equally slow.
GPX tse 250 is kinda that. Doesn’t have FI but it can be given oil injection which would make it a good dual sport, and it takes Yamaha parts for like 5k.
The FI system looks like the modified TSP system that they are currently offering for the TPI's (one injector in the cylinder and one injector before the throttle body). The starter location is interesting, 4t's use that but for some reason the "all new" '23 KTM 2t's still have the starter under the motor and directly driving the ignition flywheel. KTM might do that to be lighter or maybe it offers a mechanical advantage, making the 2t's start better as they need more starter RPM than the 4t's to start.
It’s due to the carb/throttle body location on both bikes. A 4 stroke, the carb feeds into the head, above the cylinder. So the carb sits high above the transmission leaving room for the starter motor to sit underneath it. A 2 stroke, the carb feeds under the piston, putting the carb intake right at the base of the cylinder. The float bowl is just barely above the transmission. So they relocate the starter on 2 strokes. Plus 2-strokes don’t require more starting RPM’s (on a well running motor) because every downstroke is a power stroke. It’s firing twice as many times as a 4-stroke.
@@rostifardian well, not going to argue about an engine that isn't into production. It would be nice to see, until then we can talk more about it once it hits the showroom floor. But for now, it seems like it's nothing more than a KTM tech copy.
I’d love to graft a 300 2-stroke into my TW200…but I’d definitely have to put a new fork up front to get dual disc brakes, and that old drum in the rear would also need to be changed out for a disc! With a 28” inseam and a 74 year-old body, I just can’t hang off the side of the bike at every stop anymore, so the new bikes are out of the picture!
I got a custom built wr 300 yz and it would be awesome to see Yamaha do something but unfortunately I doubt they will do anything because obviously Yamaha doesn't care sorry but it's true .
Needs balancer, and 6 speed, steel clutch basket, and the top end needs to last as long as a KTM ....................Yamaha needs a whole new engine design.
Once ESR racing gets his casting system running I'll be ordering a 325 kit for my yz. Would love the e start etc but I'm not dropping $11 k on a KTM bike.
Ahoj Rado,tiež som sa potešil tomuto motoru už dávnejšie.Uvidíme či sa dočkáme aj produkčnej verzie u Yamahy...Každopádne MotoriMinarelli u Yamahy boli,sám mám XT 660 Z 2008 a ten je od nich.Myslím,že sa podieľali aj na vývoji famózneho dvojvalca CP2 Tenere 700,XSR700...Veľa dobrých motorov tu v EU zabíja politika z Bruselu.Nech sa ti darí,drž sa.💪😉
Rado Rado Rado, when are you giving us a KTM 300/250 XC TBI review? Don’t worry about these Yz future bikes, we want to know what you think of the TBI bikes available now. Maybe do a 125xc while you are at it. Loved your previous YZ125x videos.
I would love to get my hands on one, but to do a good review I need to keep it for some time like I did with YZ125x.. not sure if that will be happening any time soon tho
You should know already that the tbi ktm new bikes are already having issues. Already plenty of reviews on You tube an the only ones that are not having problems are the videos of the people whom just bought one with no serious hard riding yet, but it’s not good as carburetor golden years an now is money pit over rated an not to mention overpriced. Honestly a lot of guys have them just to say “look what I got”. #smh-ktm
Looks awesome, though I'd be way more excited about Yamaha doing another rendition of the rd350/rz350/banshee 350 twin cylinder two stroke with TBI/TPI, electronic power valves etc. Even if it was only a 300cc for a new street bike like the r3 but maybe called something different like rd3 or rz3 since it'd be two diff platforms merging. 😈🤙 Sadly already know something like that would likely never be sold in the US and probably won't be made again, can always dream though lol.
Right on, they were the best. They could just build the old RZ350 same as before (cheap tooling) but with w/efi and a pile of smog crap to make it USA street legal.
@@jamesstacey529 Hard to top the R6 engine for WFO track power and toughness. Might need to be a 500 twin 2T to beat it. Meanwhile, the Kramer HKR EVO2 R is at 276lbs w/ 81hp - in the right weight range and worth the money.
That motor appears to be cylinder reed induction. The Yamaha engine is obviously case reed induction, so what part of the engine is YZ based? It looks like a completely unique design vs. the current yamaha 2 stroke engine.
Yamaha are doing this as they are relaizing they are loosing bulk sales to the growing hard enduro market. It won't be long for Honda to follow suit too from what people have told me. Curious to see what they can bring to the table vs the KTM 300 platform. As so far mine has been awesome and I'd never go back to a 4stroke trail bike ever again.
Coming from a TPI 300 owner (which is a great engine, but soft off the bottom) I would love to ride one of these and see what difference it has in low down torque. The TPI is great, but has it's drawbacks.
Zdarec Rado, jsem tvuj velky fanda a velký fanda značky YAMAHA , kterou mám sam v garazi a je opravdu vzrušující poslouchat tyto novinky. Doufám, že se vše, co zamysli tito 3 spolecni hraci podaří dotahnout a co nevidět nám tady v Evropě představí na trhu model YAMAHA YZ300X. Verim tomu, ze nas konecne ceka u YAMAHY nástup nové generace 2T právě i v oblasti ENDURA. Měj se Lukáš from CZ
Fantics from what I've heard are just rebranded Yamahas with Italian boutique parts. Probably just the stock pipe being slightly worse on the Yamaha than whatever small batch in house pipe Fantic has.
Everyone BUT Yamaha wants an updated YZ250-300 that will compete with KTM XC/w Obviously they just want to keep punching out clones for $$$ and don't care. That's why KTM has owned this sector of the market. Owned and raced many YZ's but on a Katoom now.
Sell the engine as recon. How much Would a engine only cost?. It could be put in a lot of stuff. We have megs and tigs and all the rest. How much would the 300 motor cost kiss the motor?
I am really very curious about this as it is supposed to be euro 5 compatible. The problem here in Europe it's impossible to ride these bikes on the street because of that fucking euro regulation. Euro 5 sounds impossible to me
You would think so, but actually no. In fact, a bike mechanic friend of mine owned a Fantic for many years. (2010 model). As an experiment he decided to not wash the bike and did not wash air filter for 1 year. (and did no othe rmaintenance other than tighten the chain). The bike continued to work fine. Didn't even seem to be bothered by the dusty air filter. At the end of the year he pulled the air filter off and it was still clean inside the air boot. Anyway it's an interesting test - I wouldn't do it on my own bike, but proves they make reliable machines.
@@arnauddechamps855 I'd agree with that if TM only had chromoly steel frames. I know aluminum is cheaper but to make TM's better I'd want to see good steel frames.
@@arnauddechamps855 I’ve had zero mechanical issues with my 2016 beta 300 race edition. Pulled it apart at 50 hours and 100 hours, everything is still within factory spec.
@@dirtniron I meant to say news* Absolutely! Love yamaha, but there something i love to spend money on, ktm. They push the industry right now. If people want cheap, fun and reliable two stroke machines then definitely do buy these yamaha. Love how two strokes makes an comback either way :D
Not difficult to understand your words even with the accent (English is my only language), but sometimes when you mention a brand or product I’ve never heard of before, I can’t understand. Perhaps you could put the text on the screen when you edit? That way I can know how to spell it. Not sure if other subscribers would find that helpful
If u are referring to it starting hard in gear...its cuz the factory clutch plates drag. Take them out, soak in oil over night. Or lean the bike over its clutch side, rev the piss out of it while modulating the clutch.
hi rado, i'm big fan of you i built my own electric start on yz250x with standard stator and flywheel, i just added starting gear, dynamo starter, and battery, so stick with yz250x power, and magic start button, if you are interested you can go to my channel there is one of my videos is yz250x electric start review .. thankss for always be honest in all of your videos , i appreciate it 👍
Holy moly...You got me as a subscriber..Freaking awesome that you did it! I have a 2009 YZ450f and would love to do it somehow..I do not care about weight etc. I just would like to have an electric start.
@@michaeld8561 hi bro , i think you can do it too , yeah , i failed twice , and in the third i did it , it just need to combine with other oem bike parts (2 suzuki bikes) that i combine it , and voilaaa 😁
It all boils down to the pencil pushers whether or not it gets officially made by Fantic aka Yamaha... Personally I think leave perfection alone, just improve yourself instead! And Fantic can't sell in the USA they would be competing with Yamaha directly that's their agreement.... I'd buy a Fantic YZ125 if I could and sell a Kidney for two! 2T only! Brapppp
Sorry but I hope Yamaha doesn't listen to a word you say. I want people to leave Yamaha alone and stop trying to push them to be a KTM clone. There are enough KTM clones already. If you want all the air fork, electric do dad's go get a KTM. But stop telling ever bike maker they gotta make bike the same as KTM.
Hopefully Yamaha will never replace their engine with this... The beauty of YZ is its ultimate simplicity and reliability which will be surely lost with all that electronic shite -)))) Who needs another injected clone of ktm, there are plenty of them already 🤮
If Yamaha make a WR300X 6 speed it would fly off the shelves and instantly become a cult classic especially here in Australia 💯
It would probably still be 5 speed. 😄
@@texas2strokes727 the 2014 and newer WR250s are all 6-speeds. Same with the 250FX models. Yamaha knew what they were doing there. Hopefully they would have the sense if they made a real 300, they would have a 6-speed.
@@rostifardian honestly id be running a 250x if it was e start and 6 speed. I wasn't a fan of the wide ratio tans.
Agreed, the WR250R is a amazing bike but they killed it. A 300 would be spectacular and a street legal 450 would be better
I agree. Even an updated WR300R would do well honestly. Just bring the small bore WR dual sport back with a slightly stronger engine that has more low end grunt and the newer headlight from the other WR bikes and you automatically have a winner in the marketplace without having to invest in a ton of R&D.
So many 300 2strokes with efi, hydro clutch, counter balance, 6speed, etc… and with a $10,000+ price tag! The yz250x is popular bc of the price and reliability.
Nothing will replace the thrill of a two stroke. A four stroke is great but just doesn’t have that top end pull that throws you back in your seat.
Must’ve never ridden a 450
@@jesusbailey2874 a 300 is so much more fun than a 450
Thats not why you buy a modern 2 stroke though
kudos to Yamaha for keeping the Japanese two strokes alive, I agree a few updates would have them at the top of the hill.
Sounds like an Italian two stroke being wedged into a Yamaha.
European brands have taken bk Motocross. Jap brands are way behind.
I wish Kawasaki would get back on the off road enduro 2 stroke bandwagon with a new kdx 300.
Amen to that..!!
Agreed the 250x with e start alone would be great. The stock clutch isn't bad and 300 cc would be nice
Guys buying new enduro / woods bikes expect fuel injection, electric start, hydraulic clutch, counter balance, etc. We've been getting this from KTM for 5 years, no one wants to go backwards. It would be great to have some Japanese competition because $12K+ out the door for the Austrian bikes is getting old.
If it was a Japanese bike it would cost more than the Austrian bike .
I’m sorry did I miss something
How much is a YZ 250 F ?
12k bikes that are seizing
Call me old school but I'd rather have a Kickstart and a carburetor you can keep all the electronic crap🤷♂️
It would be cool if Yamaha could catch up with the ktms and keep the cost down.
You can keep the hydro clutch (cable all day), but the rest is a hard "yes."
Yes Yamaha needs to step up to modern time options, o still LOVE my 2020 yz250x
Please let this happen - Yamaha is the perfect platform to accept this smooth piece of hardware!
Fantic and Minarelli did a real good job on this engine! This year Davide Guarneri raced a protype fantic XX 300 with this engine and he was able to lead the EnduroGp E3 class until a big injury stopped him!
right on! man I wish we can get these bikes in US
Well, i guess they would sell very well!
Tbh, i dont really think that yamaha will produce a yz300 at all, rather i think fantic will start to import the XE line in the US.
The old yz engine that yamaha lent to fantic is almost completely new and unknown to the japanese brand.
@@Mattflea It makes no sense to me. So many US riders are loyal to Yamaha but they ride KTM for Enduro bikes because Yamaha has no competitive offering. So much missed opportunity
@@OtisFlint I know, but I mean, Yamaha didn't renew at all their 2strokes bike during these year... Yeah I know small changes has been made, but that's it!
Here in Europe we don't even get a Yamaha yz with wide ratio, we just get the the Mx version. A friend of mine rode his yz125 to the 6days, but it's a Mx bike made street legal (Yamaha doesn't sell street legal 2strokes here) with a 18' rear and a headlight: That's it! (Spoiler alert, he wished multiple times to have an e-starter but Yamaha said "nope")
Until now, this was the only option we had. I'll make an example, in Europe the not so "brand new" Fantic Xe125 (yz125x basically) is one of the most sold bikes of them all! That's because all the Yamaha guys went for them! They saw a street legal Yz, but made by fantic; And this example is also valid for the 4 strokes category. Notice how Yamaha doesn't have ANY team in EnduroGp or WESS, they only compete in MX/SX.
(Fantic has multiple teams in Mx and the enduroGp team E50 which is the one that's using the Xe300 engine)
The Collab between fantic and Yamaha started almost 3 years ago, and in all this time Yamaha didn't care to use all the research made by fantic to join the enduro market, they just don't care at all.
Wow! a 300cc 2 stroke engine with e start, and FI!...Whoa!
If only that kind of engine was available and been under development for years from another maker.............just imagine.......
Need a 350 2-stroke with EFI, vibration reduction, and all the new updates. 60rwhp+-. Broad torque range. Shhtloads of low end. Compete against 450 4-bangers. WooO! 🤙
agree 100%
Most people cant use 56hp of a 450 even 50hp is more than enough for most people no one needs 60hp. Take a mirror to bed and wake up to yourself
@@kylejefferies5218 I think you can just opt for whatever you like. If a 350 2stroke with 60rwhp isnt your preferences, then opt for a 250 4-stroke!. Each to their own I say :)
@@kylejefferies5218 You can look up a bunch of 500 2-storkes here on yt that are putting out over 70hp. Tyler Bower's KX 500 for example puts out around 75hp. Was mentioned in his bout at straight rhythm vs Pastrana's RMZilla 500 2stroke that was said to be delivering hp in the late 70's! Phew!
So as I say, it's more about your preference and what you can handle. But for me, it's a 350 2-stroke with 60hp stock. 👍 Merry fcuking xmas!🎄🎅🎄🎅
@@kylejefferies5218 actually it is more about the torque rather than the max HP, a 350 will have max torque from the bottom, that is what is needed in hard enduro, no need high rpm where you get most of the hp.
Minarelli engine's have always been strong as a child I rode many bike's powered by minarelli's fantic's, gilera's, malaguti's. I look forward to seeing this new fantic in the flesh!!!👌
If Yamaha had a e start on the yz250x I would have left my dealer with that instead of my Beta.The tranny is more hare scramble/gncc than hard enduro but I would work with that.I won many offroad races on yz 250,s but demand e start on my bikes now.The excellent Yamaha suspension is such a major winner in my book.
Great coverage - thank you!
This is excellent news. Its also possibly better than you think. Remember most of the 2T 500's were just big bore/stroke jobs on a 250. All the things they have done to this engine work well with a larger capacity - electric start, direct injection - all tend to favour more cc's.
I wonder how long it would be.
I'm excited to see if we can get a bike with this engine too. The 300s of the past were 250 based. Iirc ktm had a 380 and it was based on the 250 bottom and a different top end. The 500s of the past were always a clean sheet design, or bored and stroked 4-- something engines.
i'm with you on this 100%
I have been riding yamaha since 1967. I ride a 2020 yz250x now. Yes I have had kawasaki, ktm, husky, steens, Rickman, Honda, gasgas bikes too but always go back to yamaha. Raced motocross, enduro, and now trail ride 98% of time. I like 4T and 2T 50/50. Like having both.
I have to tell you my yz250x is my favorite so far. Yes I would like an electric start even though I stall much less than most others I ride with that have electric start. I have to try harder not to stall due to lots of good technical riding I do and many places tough to restart with kickstarter not having clearance.
I ride with approx 45 other riders. Actually over 100 riders in our grp that ride most every week as well as friends from other states and Canada.
I wish I had the fantac 300. I would love to test it and show it off here in the states. I am actually getting ready to head out for 9 months to a yr riding all over the US and Canada. I was hoping the Fantic 300x would of already been released here in US. YZ250x is great 90% of the time but 300x grunt would be great along with electric start. 5 spd or 6 spd not sure witch I like better. 95% time don't need another gear so not a deal breaker.
My stock carb works great with the main and pilot jet minor change. Also for various elevations from 1000 ft above sea level to 14,000 I just adjust the air fuel mixture screw. Do this quite often because I ride desert and even a little snow with several altitude levels between. Arizona has it all including dunes.
I would love to by the Fantic, test it and write about the pros and cons and make suggestions improvements. Nice thing about yamaha is the rims don't crack and stay true without having to retorque spokes, the engines are very reliable including clutch and piston very slow to wear. I use synthetic in gear box and 2T mix. Also chain.
I ride many of the new bikes that come out but always happy to throw my leg over my yamahas. Handling, performance, reliability, looks is always complimented from previous yamaha owners. Even though they are riding ktms, huskies, sherco, gasgas, honda, those that owned yzs in the past most always say their YZs were great bikes.
I would like to get my hands on a fantic 300. I have heard that yamaha is going to build the 300x but I have been waiting for that to happen for several years. Let me know if I could get the Fantic and I am ready to make it happen.
Very good content,Rado! Spot on👏👍
Glad you liked it!
TM Racing has been building a counterbalanced, E start, E power valve, 250/300 2T for years. They come factory with KYB, aluminum frame and all the high end bits. And you can still get them with Keihin carbs.
yep $17,500 and unavailable too
@@Clint450f $11,500 out the door and about 4 months order time from the dealer in FL.
I would like to see a true MX bike with 2T engine that is fuel injected because I feel that they would destroy the 4 strokes in Supercross and might even be better on fuel. The technology has been around since the 90s on sleds and outboards and what's even crazier about it is that they were found to produce lower emissions than their 4 stroke equivalents. Please make it and market it in America!
Great video I hope they move forward with this engine or fantic starts a distribution in the United States
Yamaha, like all Japanese manufacturers abandoned 2 stroke development many years ago which is why the only changes to the YZ250 are cosmetic and bolt on component, because of stricter emission requirements all the Japanese manufacturers deemed it unprofitable to further develop 2 stroke technology, unless Yamaha decides to change the way they do business you will not see the YZ250 engine change, the major expense of changing all the tooling and the engineering support required to make that expense profitable is a risk that Yamaha is just not willing to make, they literally handed the whole 2 stroke market to the Europeans and KTM saw the opportunity and ran with it and now dominate it because they have no real competition when it comes to bringing R&D into full scale manufacturing, one off hand built concepts are one thing but rarely do they ever develop into full scale production models available to the general public and when they do they are usually no where near what the original concept was.
Being a Euro we know and trust Minarelli for sure! My son currently runs a KTM LC2 which is a 1997 KTM 300 exc chassis with a Minarelli-built Yam DT 125 LC engine, something that never got to the USA I guess. In fact all the DT125 and 200LC's were built in Europe as was the suspension etc as Yamaha also bought Paoli (ex Ceriani) to make Kayaba equipment in Italy.
right on, thanks a lot for sharing Jim!
A friend of mine had that bike too! its not as powerfull as others 125 engine, but for dual sport purpose is such a fun machine! Almost indistructible!
I'm not sure anyone actually "wants" a 125 stroker nowadays, in Europe it's the limit for young riders and the emissions are always a problem, Yamaha went to a 4 stroke in 2006. Because young riders are limited to 125cc and 15hp there's no advantage in having a 2 stroke, they are equally slow.
I would like to see Yamaha just build a carbed 300 case reed inducted 2 stroke with estart and a nice 6 speed wide ratio gear box.
yeah 2-stroke with powervalve. 🙌👏
My deposit is ready if it goes into a Yamaha. Happy to see the new engine is TBI and not TPI like the previous concept was
A 250 2 stroke with a lower and softer seat would be very desirable. Also an engine vibration counterbalance shaft is a gotta have item.
KTM already builds your bike. Nobody buys them.
They are too expensive when compared to other options.
GPX tse 250 is kinda that. Doesn’t have FI but it can be given oil injection which would make it a good dual sport, and it takes Yamaha parts for like 5k.
Absolutely, a YZ 300 e-start 6 speed will be be a giant killer. They already have e the best suspension, ergonomics and durability.
There’s a plethora of 300 and below 2-Ts. We need a 2-T that’s competitive with 450 4-T for us MX fans. So this 300 is exciting but falls short.
If they ever came out a yz300x that competed with the euro bike with Electric start...i would go straight to the dealer to place my order
They should make some engines that can also handle e85/straight alcohol fuel, it would be neat tech
Hi great movie very nice ride ;)
Yeah I'd try it Yamaha
in 2011 some people in new zealand put fuel injection on a yz 250. there was a video on you tube about there bike.
Love 2 smokes! What's your brand?
Love Fantic Bikes, but can’t get any of them near where I live. I have checked within a 300 mile radius, nothing!!
The FI system looks like the modified TSP system that they are currently offering for the TPI's (one injector in the cylinder and one injector before the throttle body). The starter location is interesting, 4t's use that but for some reason the "all new" '23 KTM 2t's still have the starter under the motor and directly driving the ignition flywheel. KTM might do that to be lighter or maybe it offers a mechanical advantage, making the 2t's start better as they need more starter RPM than the 4t's to start.
It’s due to the carb/throttle body location on both bikes. A 4 stroke, the carb feeds into the head, above the cylinder. So the carb sits high above the transmission leaving room for the starter motor to sit underneath it.
A 2 stroke, the carb feeds under the piston, putting the carb intake right at the base of the cylinder. The float bowl is just barely above the transmission. So they relocate the starter on 2 strokes.
Plus 2-strokes don’t require more starting RPM’s (on a well running motor) because every downstroke is a power stroke. It’s firing twice as many times as a 4-stroke.
@@rostifardian well, not going to argue about an engine that isn't into production. It would be nice to see, until then we can talk more about it once it hits the showroom floor. But for now, it seems like it's nothing more than a KTM tech copy.
I’d love to graft a 300 2-stroke into my TW200…but I’d definitely have to put a new fork up front to get dual disc brakes, and that old drum in the rear would also need to be changed out for a disc! With a 28” inseam and a 74 year-old body, I just can’t hang off the side of the bike at every stop anymore, so the new bikes are out of the picture!
That’s the new fantic engine
The 300cc engine use pre-mix fuel or has separate lubrication system?
You can get two stroke street legal gasgas bikes in new England of America at channel. Kaplan America is selling them. Only us dealer.
Rumor is Yamaha will offer a factory big bore 300 kit for the YZ250X in '24.
Already Athena been on offer by dealers for a few years now.
A WR300x would be a great off road weapon..make sure it’s counterbalanced and bring it!! Yamaha needs to compete with the Euro bikes in Offroad!
I got a custom built wr 300 yz and it would be awesome to see Yamaha do something but unfortunately I doubt they will do anything because obviously Yamaha doesn't care sorry but it's true .
Needs balancer, and 6 speed, steel clutch basket, and the top end needs to last as long as a KTM ....................Yamaha needs a whole new engine design.
Brad sanders agreed but I got that Yamaha to pass a ktm not joking.
That Yamaha is a wr 4 stroke transmission
Yamaha really needs this. There sales would go through the roof. No doubt
Once ESR racing gets his casting system running I'll be ordering a 325 kit for my yz.
Would love the e start etc but I'm not dropping $11 k on a KTM bike.
I have a wr300yz but no hydraulic clutch or electric start and it's a 2stroke.
Ahoj Rado,tiež som sa potešil tomuto motoru už dávnejšie.Uvidíme či sa dočkáme aj produkčnej verzie u Yamahy...Každopádne MotoriMinarelli u Yamahy boli,sám mám XT 660 Z 2008 a ten je od nich.Myslím,že sa podieľali aj na vývoji famózneho dvojvalca CP2 Tenere 700,XSR700...Veľa dobrých motorov tu v EU zabíja politika z Bruselu.Nech sa ti darí,drž sa.💪😉
YZ Electric start would be great!
And they said they would delete the option of a kick start back up. That's when he lost me. Fine on the track, but no further.
Rado Rado Rado, when are you giving us a KTM 300/250 XC TBI review? Don’t worry about these Yz future bikes, we want to know what you think of the TBI bikes available now. Maybe do a 125xc while you are at it. Loved your previous YZ125x videos.
I would love to get my hands on one, but to do a good review I need to keep it for some time like I did with YZ125x.. not sure if that will be happening any time soon tho
You should know already that the tbi ktm new bikes are already having issues. Already plenty of reviews on You tube an the only ones that are not having problems are the videos of the people whom just bought one with no serious hard riding yet, but it’s not good as carburetor golden years an now is money pit over rated an not to mention overpriced. Honestly a lot of guys have them just to say “look what I got”. #smh-ktm
Fingers crossed 🤞🏾. If it lands in Australia 🇦🇺 I will buy one.
Are an abbo?
Or just really tan. Idk why I'm wondering
Yeah
Cool. Enjoy the bike.
I love Keihin carburetor yz300X I'll buy it
I have Minarelli AM5 50cc engine. And its amazing engine.
KTM group has taken MX to new heights. Invigorating other European brands. This is excellent. The Japanese brands are so far behind its ridiculous!
Think gas gas already has a 300cc efi 6spd bikes also a 500cc big bore kits available,,
Minus the fuel injection, I would buy a YZ 300X
Pretty cool
Six speed,six speed,six speed!
Counter balancer is the new fad, I remember when all the Gas Gas Legacy guys pulled the balancer out back when the 250 and 300 came with them💡
What was the reasoning for that?
@@rostifardian less reciprocated weight
Equal’s faster spin up & harder hit.
Looks awesome, though I'd be way more excited about Yamaha doing another rendition of the rd350/rz350/banshee 350 twin cylinder two stroke with TBI/TPI, electronic power valves etc. Even if it was only a 300cc for a new street bike like the r3 but maybe called something different like rd3 or rz3 since it'd be two diff platforms merging. 😈🤙 Sadly already know something like that would likely never be sold in the US and probably won't be made again, can always dream though lol.
Right on, they were the best. They could just build the old RZ350 same as before (cheap tooling) but with w/efi and a pile of smog crap to make it USA street legal.
@@blacklight4460 Yeah, that will never happen with any 2 stroke. Even with a pile of smog crap it cant happen.
@@bradsanders6954 Never say never. Sure it can happen if enough consumers demand it.
Just cram a RZ350 into R6 chassis winner winner chicken dinner 🐔
@@jamesstacey529 Hard to top the R6 engine for WFO track power and toughness. Might need to be a 500 twin 2T to beat it. Meanwhile, the Kramer HKR EVO2 R is at 276lbs w/ 81hp - in the right weight range and worth the money.
Is there already an update ? Do you know when they going to produce it ?
Gas mileage is a big issue with me.i ride a cr500 and carry 2.5 gallons in a backpack.fuel injection gets like 30percent fuel mileage over catb
I guess the pressure is on since KTM and the other Austrian brands are taking over the two stroke competition.
yea, would be good to see more from Japan as well
The kTM 300 is blowing up ..
@@dirtniron I really want to see Honda and Suzuki get back into 2 strokes since 2007-08. They would look so bitchen
That motor appears to be cylinder reed induction. The Yamaha engine is obviously case reed induction, so what part of the engine is YZ based? It looks like a completely unique design vs. the current yamaha 2 stroke engine.
its based on yz250 engine.. but yeah, they did a lot of work
Just buy a Sherco it's already all of those things.
Yamaha are doing this as they are relaizing they are loosing bulk sales to the growing hard enduro market. It won't be long for Honda to follow suit too from what people have told me.
Curious to see what they can bring to the table vs the KTM 300 platform. As so far mine has been awesome and I'd never go back to a 4stroke trail bike ever again.
Coming from a TPI 300 owner (which is a great engine, but soft off the bottom) I would love to ride one of these and see what difference it has in low down torque. The TPI is great, but has it's drawbacks.
Its supposed to be soft on the bottom. Soft = Traction in the nasty stuff!
Zdarec Rado, jsem tvuj velky fanda a velký fanda značky YAMAHA , kterou mám sam v garazi a je opravdu vzrušující poslouchat tyto novinky. Doufám, že se vše, co zamysli tito 3 spolecni hraci podaří dotahnout a co nevidět nám tady v Evropě představí na trhu model YAMAHA YZ300X. Verim tomu, ze nas konecne ceka u YAMAHY nástup nové generace 2T právě i v oblasti ENDURA. Měj se Lukáš from CZ
nazdar Lukasi, vdaka ze podporu! Verim aj ja ze z tychto vztahov medzi hracmi sa vyprodukuje nieco zaijimave pre nas! drz sa
As far as I know, out of the box, the Fantic 125cc´s 2stroke is better than the YZ....
This 300 will be a blast for sure.
Cheers.
Fantics from what I've heard are just rebranded Yamahas with Italian boutique parts. Probably just the stock pipe being slightly worse on the Yamaha than whatever small batch in house pipe Fantic has.
I think 150 and 300's should be the standard 2 stroke sizes in motocross. I want to them used on the pro level again :(
Yeah nice .... now add + 200cc with that new counterbalance 500cc engine❤👁👃👁 yes PLEASE had me at YZ
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Everyone BUT Yamaha wants an updated YZ250-300 that will compete with KTM XC/w
Obviously they just want to keep punching out clones for $$$ and don't care. That's why KTM has owned this sector of the market.
Owned and raced many YZ's but on a Katoom now.
Sell the engine as recon. How much Would a engine only cost?. It could be put in a lot of stuff. We have megs and tigs and all the rest. How much would the 300 motor cost kiss the motor?
Ivl got a yz250x and love it but I always wondered why they never just made a 300x with e start they will sell like hot cakes here in nz 🍻🤟🤙
I think so too
Enduro yamaha woah, maybe dt 300r
I am really very curious about this as it is supposed to be euro 5 compatible. The problem here in Europe it's impossible to ride these bikes on the street because of that fucking euro regulation. Euro 5 sounds impossible to me
Don't mean to be harsh but if it's Italian won't it grenade itself after the first ride, or thereabouts?
You would think so, but actually no. In fact, a bike mechanic friend of mine owned a Fantic for many years. (2010 model). As an experiment he decided to not wash the bike and did not wash air filter for 1 year. (and did no othe rmaintenance other than tighten the chain). The bike continued to work fine. Didn't even seem to be bothered by the dusty air filter. At the end of the year he pulled the air filter off and it was still clean inside the air boot. Anyway it's an interesting test - I wouldn't do it on my own bike, but proves they make reliable machines.
If they need a 300 2T with hydraulic clutch, adjustable power valve and Keihin carb… just buy a Beta 300RR race edition!
well, Beta is not reliable, problem will come and then you will go to TM because it is better than anything else and lighter also.
@@arnauddechamps855 I'd agree with that if TM only had chromoly steel frames. I know aluminum is cheaper but to make TM's better I'd want to see good steel frames.
@@arnauddechamps855 I’ve had zero mechanical issues with my 2016 beta 300 race edition. Pulled it apart at 50 hours and 100 hours, everything is still within factory spec.
🤞🏾🤞🏾
Need a WR300R
Everything in the thumbnail comes stock on a tm 300 🤔😁
thats right, this one comes with decompression too ;)
It will take estart and TBI and counter balance to compete with KTM. As well as 350F.
Please yamaha this wil be a game changer
I feel like they are just now catching up. I don't see it a game changer, maybe catching up at best.
@@Dat_Sun I agree, this is good new though. My ktm bike will become cheaper and better 😂
@@Xfacehack Right? Ktmart needs to lower the prices.
I vote for ktm cheaper and new 2 strokes from Japan ;)
@@dirtniron I meant to say news*
Absolutely! Love yamaha, but there something i love to spend money on, ktm. They push the industry right now. If people want cheap, fun and reliable two stroke machines then definitely do buy these yamaha. Love how two strokes makes an comback either way :D
Not difficult to understand your words even with the accent (English is my only language), but sometimes when you mention a brand or product I’ve never heard of before, I can’t understand. Perhaps you could put the text on the screen when you edit? That way I can know how to spell it. Not sure if other subscribers would find that helpful
Yamaha hasn't even fixed the yzfx starting problems, what makes anyone believe they can start over and not have serious issues again?
A few minor things can be done to help the fx start. I race an fx here in Michigan and it’s not as bad as people say.
I have a 20 250fx. First thing I did was put an 8 cell antigravity battery in it. Doesn't have to be in neutral to start anymore.
@@Wayne83MI very true!
If u are referring to it starting hard in gear...its cuz the factory clutch plates drag. Take them out, soak in oil over night. Or lean the bike over its clutch side, rev the piss out of it while modulating the clutch.
I had 2020 250FX and got it fixed with ECU remapping.. it was starting much better after that, I believe Yamaha dealers offered that
My son wants to get one to the USA
cool! let him get in touch with me ;)
Too bad the manufacturers have abandoned California’s riders. Time for a big huge multi manufacturer lawsuit to stop the overreach.
Why don't you team up with Jay and import them !
I don't think that starter would fit with a carb. The bowl would get in the way
I think YAMAHA is pretty good at building motors..Why do they need outside involvement ?
hi rado, i'm big fan of you
i built my own electric start on yz250x with standard stator and flywheel, i just added starting gear, dynamo starter, and battery, so stick with yz250x power, and magic start button, if you are interested you can go to my channel there is one of my videos is yz250x electric start review .. thankss for always be honest in all of your videos , i appreciate it 👍
Holy moly...You got me as a subscriber..Freaking awesome that you did it! I have a 2009 YZ450f and would love to do it somehow..I do not care about weight etc. I just would like to have an electric start.
dude that is amazing, we have to do a video about it. Email my dirtniron7@gmail.com
@@dirtniron halo rado , yes for sure i'll email you about the detail ..
salam dari indonesia 🙏
@@michaeld8561 hi bro , i think you can do it too , yeah , i failed twice , and in the third i did it , it just need to combine with other oem bike parts (2 suzuki bikes) that i combine it , and voilaaa 😁
@@dirtniron sorry for my english , i'll communicate with you with google translate 😁🙏
It all boils down to the pencil pushers whether or not it gets officially made by Fantic aka Yamaha...
Personally I think leave perfection alone, just improve yourself instead!
And Fantic can't sell in the USA they would be competing with Yamaha directly that's their agreement.... I'd buy a Fantic YZ125 if I could and sell a Kidney for two! 2T only!
Brapppp
Sorry but I hope Yamaha doesn't listen to a word you say. I want people to leave Yamaha alone and stop trying to push them to be a KTM clone. There are enough KTM clones already. If you want all the air fork, electric do dad's go get a KTM. But stop telling ever bike maker they gotta make bike the same as KTM.
Hopefully Yamaha will never replace their engine with this... The beauty of YZ is its ultimate simplicity and reliability which will be surely lost with all that electronic shite -)))) Who needs another injected clone of ktm, there are plenty of them already 🤮
Yeah……a WR 300
please!!!!!!!!!!!
no 6 speed, hard pass. been a yz guy forever but they need a better tranny and upgrade the entire clutch system. went to sherco and never looked back.
420cc please and street legal
At least 6 gears.
And kick starter
I miss my 465 YZ......
GPX has a 300 2t that’s half the price
I wouldn't compare these 2 brands
@@dirtniron never said anything about comparing. For regular dudes they’re just fine.
@@cc3775 u just compared the price lol
Keep the fuel injection and give me everything else, please