I remembered this scene being way longer. Guess it goes to show how being freaked out was kind of its own brand of an eternity to me when I was younger.
This scene was quite freaky, but the entire movie itself always gave me a strange uncanny feeling. The best way I can describe it is being in a populated area, but still feeling isolated and trapped. Like going somewhere with a stranger who’s done nothing to harm you or scare you, but gives off a dark/mysterious essence.
The scene here and the hobo are an analogy to belief in general, but for this movie it is relevant to Christmas. The marionettes calling him an unbeliever reflect the child's fear that his hopes (e.g. Santa existing) are not real, the hobo is meant to be an analogy for "seeing is believing". If ghosts aren't real and he's looking at one, then how will he react to seeing Santa? As we see later in the movie even seeing Santa is not enough for him, he has to interact with him to feel like it might be true. The bell acts as "proof" but eventually even that cannot outweigh his doubt. The dolls on the other hand represent the materialistic and finite magic of Christmas, the same way we one day outgrow our toys, those dolls were too abandoned when kids grew up and no longer found joy in them. The movie imo carries a deeper meaning about growing up and finding things you once enjoyed or believed to be dull, grey and empty as you become disillusioned. It's reflected all throughout the film, especially at the end where we learn that all the kids stopped hearing the bell when they got older. It feels creepy because it's meant to be, growing up is scary and daunting especially to children.
No, his doubt never got in the way of him hearing the bell as he states later in the movie that he still is able to hear it (I think) but it’s his younger sister who eventually began doubting and lost the sound of the bell.
same here me too and still does even to this day Fire Castle Munchies that creepy clown the scrooge puppet how he puts his hand on his shoulder creepily
@@snorthepirate7360 A bout of indigestion. Oh yeah, I know what you are. You're a DOUBTER! A DOUBTER, YOU DON'T BELIEVE! YOU'RE A DOUBTER! YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!
(Scrooge's puppet hand comes down onto Hero Boy's shoulder at 1:04, and he turns to see the freakish puppet!) "You are just like me, my friend... At 1:11, …A SCROOGE!!!!!! (Hero Boy gasps in horror!) Ebenezer Scrooge. North Pole, Santa Claus, this train, IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF HUMBUG!!! A bout of indigestion. Oh, yeah. I know what you are...! You're a… DOUBTER!!!!!!!!!! (Hero Boy runs off in sheer terror at 1:29!) "A DOUBTER!!!!! YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!! YOU'RE A DOUBTER!!!!! YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!” (The Scrooge Puppet laughs maniacally as Hero Boy escapes from the toy car, and his laughter fades away!)
random thought, but when Hero Boy ran away, I thought the Scrooge puppet was chasing him and the white gunk that was on the window of the passenger car was a mark left by the Scrooge
It wouldn't surprise me or a coincidence if the Scrooge puppet was just an Easter egg/Teaser for _A Christmas Carol_ which was Robert Zemeckis' next Christmas MoCap project released 5 years later, even the clothes the Scrooge Puppet has is the same clothes worn by Scrooge in the 2009 animated film.
2022 remake Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film) A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
Others have probably pointed it out, but... The Scrooge puppet is the same character design later featured in Zemeckis' own rendition of A Christmas Carol five years after this.
The boy at the beginning represents adulthood, growing up, “seeing is believing”. While as the movie goes on he slowly regains his childhood and starts believing again, he sees the joy of childhood and believing, while the bell helps him remember.
Although this scene wasn't pleasant to watch as a child (and I still find it rather terrifying), I originally had assumed that he was saying, "I know what you are, you're a _darling_ !"
2022 remake Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film) A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
2022 remake Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film) A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
The funny thing about this scene isn't about the movie, it's the fact this one scene is probably what gave the devs who made the video game of Polar Express to make the scrooge puppet the antagonist.
1:05 I swear if I walk into a room full of puppets or dolls in general and one does this to me I’m running for my life 😨 Edit: I know it shows the hobo controlling the puppet but I’m still running, he’s also creepy
Scrooge: You are just like me, my friend... A SCROOGE!!! EBENEZER SCROOGE, North Pole, Santa Claus, the train! It's a bunch of humbug! A bout of indigestion, oh yeah, I know what you are, you're a DOUBTER!!!!! A DOUBTER YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!! A DOUBTER YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!! HAHAHA! DOUBTER!!!!!!!!!
No there definitely is a message, but I can’t figure it out. Maybe it says something about greed and whealth (you get a bunch of toys and then abandon them when you tire of them in order to buy more and you don’t appreciate them wich is why you aren’t careful and break them). The part where the hobo uses them to scare the boy could be a way of illustrating the fear that some doubters may have wich leaves them hesitant. They fear what their peers will think of their doubts, what God will think of their doubts and if they are doubting some sort of cause (am I doing the right thing?) they fear what those affected by their decision will think. That’s my two cents. I could be wrong but their definitely is a message, otherwise they wouldn’t have placed this scene as it otherwise has very little barring on the plot. If a scene has little affect on the plot but is still very poignant and memorable, it probably is trying to communicate something.
@@Boogie44 What I am very curious about is what does the hobo himself represent. Maybe he is a devil tempting him or an angel keeping him on the straight and narrow path. I am particularly curious about his question: “Do you believe in ghosts” and when the boy says no he answers “interesting”. I feel a chill whenever he asks that question and somehow I feel that it is saying something profound but I don’t understand. Maybe the frightening implications of faith? “If God exists, why not ghosts?” or it’s a distinction between religious faith and weird superstitious faith. This time it is very possible that I am the one who is overthinking.
@@Myself23512 I agree a LOT with the latter of what you mentioned, with the questioning of faith. As for what the hobo represents, maybe instead of a “angel/devil” approach, it might be more symboling duality of man. (So maybe in the sense of the hobo at one point not believing in Santa, but then finally believing once he goes to the North Pole. Maybe even with the ghost question too it might be that while he was alive he had no reason to believe in ghosts until he tragically was one.) the hobo clearly knows Santa exists in that world, but he also understands the main character’s skepticism. The whole scene here is definitely trying to send a message of faith, and how far it can get you if you have it (perhaps being on the Polar Express) or how low it can keep you without it (like example Ebenezer Scrooge, who didn’t believe in the spirit of Christmas at all and was very mean-spirited and miserable until he did.) I love your analysis though, don’t fret about over thinking. Also I be late af but Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays dude! ☃️
He's basically "Nick", which is a nickname of the devil. There seems to be a "devil" antagonist in almost every movie. He's not truly "evil", per say, but exists to test the waters of the observing protagonist. The devil cannot "force" one's thoughts and actions, but can "persuade" them to make their own choices. He also brings up an interesting point, about fearing looking like a gullible fool, so in turn you do a disservice to everyone you run into, out of fear of betrayal, you trust nobody, which further seperates you from those around you, and encourages you to take what isn't your own, before someone does it to you in turn, thus creating a loop of distrust. If you can truly believe in nobody, you become a lone wolf that can feed off of other's misfortunes in exchange for your own gain. This theory further cements itself when you see him "puppeteering" the "foresaken and the abandoned", the tangled strings of confusion being easier for Nick to grab hold of, and representing further pressure to confirm or deny your beliefs through the illusion of pressure from your peers, instead of your own heart or intuition, making you consider joining the ranks of the untrusting crowds (tangled puppet strings) that follow Nick's persuasion (just an illusion, but can be a powerful one). But Nick also doesn't want you to die, because then both "sides" would lose you (2 sides of one coin, basically). This was also the plot behind the strange movie "The Imaginatium of Dr. Parnassus." He also mentions he's a "King", as he's basically the king of this world, assigned a very important role of perception through deception, on this physical plane where we seem to reside. I am now "derailing" too far off topic for most, but I find it interesting that the home of most movie magic, is "Los Angeles", which translates into "The Angels", as in the ones put in charge of running this physical plane (again, not evil, just 2 sides of the same coin). I also caught where the conductor said he was saved from slipping off the train. The girl then asked "Was it an angel?" and he said "Could be," possibly indicating the devil technically is also an angel. I am not a religious person, but I have learned to read between the lines pretty well, and is very fascinating to me the amount of detail that was put into this amazing Christmas movie, it's a classic! 🎄
I don’t think the hobo’s like that… I think he’s a “lost passenger”. The boy was helped and essentially rescued by the hobo… but what about if the hobo was a child back then… who was there to save him? Or what if the whole thing about being thrown off the train, what if that policy back then was… different? He wasn’t taken to the front, he really was thrown off the back. If he somehow held on, there was nobody to help him over the coaches… and by the time Flat-Top Tunnel came into view, it was too late… ie… “Do ya believe in ghosts?”
That’s genuinely deep, man. Also, as soon as you called the Devil Nick I thought of The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, and when I saw you directly reference it I was really shocked. It’s one of my favorite movies, and my favorite Gilliam movie(at least atm), and seeing anyone reference it is almost always surprising to me.
@@TingusPingus445 that would certainly explain the line "There's only one inch of clearance between the roof of this rattler and the roof of flat-top tunnel...laddy" in a deeper meaning
I don’t think the hobo can be equated to the devil, some commenters have mentioned that the hobo represents the original Christmas spirit, or even the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. I would say the Hobo is more consistent with the Holy Ghost than the devil, because the hobo does no harm, and really seems to only be around to help out, but with a jaded and also grounded perspective. The Hobo makes these statements spreading doubt about whether Santa Claus is real or not, but I think actually there is irony in these statements, and it serves to point out the elephant in the room which in this story is the ability to accept, trust, and hope in uncertainty, the uncertainty of there being a Santa Claus or not. The Hobo does confirm, when he saves the conductor and the children, that ghosts are real by being one himself. The irony of seeing is believing, is that it is not true. It is as others put it here, the other way around, believing is seeing. And this is confirmed with the ending, Santa appears only after he believes.
His first fear is simple and childish: being approached by a creepy living puppet. When he looks up and sees the hobo it changes into a grown-up fear: if he believes, he risks becoming a "puppet" manipulated by others he doesn't understand (like the hobo controls the toy). This is why he doubts and gets called out for it. In this scene, while the boy is struggling with his problems internally, the hobo notices and challenges him to face his fears in the bluntest way possible. It's necessary but scary.
@@jellyfish0311 Ohhh that makes so much sense now. Especially since his whole character is about taking risks and sticking up for others. Thank you so much! 😊
Yeah I didn’t spot it as a kid, but I sort of noticed her which picked up my curiosity now as a adult. As well as Pinocchio below her. He was creepy though just like Scrooge. But as for the woman, she looked to maybe be a dancer, actress or singer of that time period.
So I’m sure I’m going to get hated for this because we live in a world where we all have to agree on the same thing & if someone doesn’t feel, think, or opinion of the same thing...we are looked down upon. As a child I didn’t pay any attention to this but as a grown woman I realized that the hobo in this film is very handsome.
Anyone else hear it as "YOU'RE A DOLLAR!" the first 5 times you watched this and can no longer unhear it even once you realized he said you don't believe right afterwards
While this scene didn't really scare me as much as some other people, this movie definitely scared me a little when I was a kid. I still appreciate it a lot though. This scene was honestly super neat to me as a kid though. I think it was the fact that I knew who Scrooge was so I was all "omg it's Scrooge! I know that guy!"
i was only seven or eight when i saw this, the damaged toys actually made me cry, i was one of those kids who spent more time finding ways to fix things then break them
0:48 OMG DID THE MOVIE PREDICTED THAT DIRECTOR ROBERT ZEMECKIS WOULD DIRECT DISNEY’S REMAKE OF PINOCCHIO? 1:10 - 1:36 and by the way this part is extremely scary as hell.
The Conductor knows there’s a proper time for Christmas and tells heartfelt knowledge from past experiences. He’s “ghost of Christmas past” Santa has the most presence, but is gone in an instant. That’s the “ghost of Christmas present” The fear of how bad the next Christmas will be is the ‘push’ that brings us back on board. That’s the Hobo “ghost of Christmas future”.
The Funny Thing Is I know he calls the kid A DOUBTER BUT I ALWAYS IMAGINED HIM CALLING THE kid A DALLOR You Know Like A Dallor Bill LOL And We All Know Scrooge Is All About Money Right ?!
I remembered this scene being way longer. Guess it goes to show how being freaked out was kind of its own brand of an eternity to me when I was younger.
This is what I thought as well. Seemed way way longer when I was a child
I remember the Scrooge marionette wearing a black cloak like a witch
Yeah, me too
Probably one of the most traumatizing moments in a Christmas movie.
It gave you, me, and technically _all of us_ a *severe* case of *Pupaphobia* am I right?
Yeah
@@darkforestzombie218 Do you still have it?
Yeah I look back at this and realize it’s not really that scary since it was an angel doing it.
This scene was quite freaky, but the entire movie itself always gave me a strange uncanny feeling. The best way I can describe it is being in a populated area, but still feeling isolated and trapped.
Like going somewhere with a stranger who’s done nothing to harm you or scare you, but gives off a dark/mysterious essence.
The scene here and the hobo are an analogy to belief in general, but for this movie it is relevant to Christmas. The marionettes calling him an unbeliever reflect the child's fear that his hopes (e.g. Santa existing) are not real, the hobo is meant to be an analogy for "seeing is believing". If ghosts aren't real and he's looking at one, then how will he react to seeing Santa? As we see later in the movie even seeing Santa is not enough for him, he has to interact with him to feel like it might be true. The bell acts as "proof" but eventually even that cannot outweigh his doubt. The dolls on the other hand represent the materialistic and finite magic of Christmas, the same way we one day outgrow our toys, those dolls were too abandoned when kids grew up and no longer found joy in them. The movie imo carries a deeper meaning about growing up and finding things you once enjoyed or believed to be dull, grey and empty as you become disillusioned. It's reflected all throughout the film, especially at the end where we learn that all the kids stopped hearing the bell when they got older. It feels creepy because it's meant to be, growing up is scary and daunting especially to children.
damn you really put your whole soul into this but couldn't have worded it better.
No, his doubt never got in the way of him hearing the bell as he states later in the movie that he still is able to hear it (I think) but it’s his younger sister who eventually began doubting and lost the sound of the bell.
Wow that’s deep
Fun fact: The ''Scrooge'' puppet was the inspiration for the character's likeness in 2009s A Christmas Carol.
I thought the book was the inspiration for the film
@@jacobcrist7982 Im talking about the puppet inspiring the main character.
Bro i hoped to be so
@@jacobcrist7982 he means that the puppet's design in this film inspired Scrooge's design in the 2009 film
YOU ARE A TOY!!!!! You aren’t the real Buzz Lightyear! You’re a- Ah, you’re an action figure! You are a child’s PLAY THING!
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity, farewell 🖖
Lol
"You are a sad strange little man. You have my pity. 🖖Farewell."
“Oh yeah, well good luck buddy!”
"Oh yeah, well good riddance ya big looney!"
Omg this scene used to freak me out as a kid.
same here me too and still does even to this day Fire Castle Munchies that creepy clown the scrooge puppet how he puts his hand on his shoulder creepily
Same it scared me so much
R.M.S Mauretania me too that uh creepy clown in the background looks like pennywise
@@FemboySprite101 Did you develop a severe case of *Pupaphobia* after that?
@@RedPandaGirl002 somewhat lol but not all puppets
"You're A Doubter! A Doubter You Don't Believe!" One Of My Favorite Quotes.
How do you feel like I rather skipped this Quote?
@@EmmettDoyleDDR435 idk its up to you.
@@josephseansunga6361If My best quote is better than the scarier one, I've picked dreaming can make a wish come true.
What dose that even mean ?
Even as an adult this scene still manages to scare me
Do you have *Pupaphobia* may I ask?
This scene scared me shitless as a kid but now I laugh as it’s controlled by the hobo. Still kinda creepy tho.
Didn't it almost give you Pupaphobia? For me, when I was younger I *ALMOST* developed a severe case of Pupaphobia since through the years
That hobo isn’t actually there, he’s an angel.
The sock coffee guy was also way more scary
Me too
This scene is scarier than most horror movies.
That's funny because the voice actor of the main kid will be in the upcoming FNAF movie!! That actor is born to portray horror characters!
Yeah this scene is definitely straight out of a horror movie.
@@TheTechOwlJOSH HUTCHERSON?????
@@TheTechOwl Yeah. This scene is almost pulled right out of FNAF.
@@RoderickTiernanyep
This scene has left a dark empty void in my psyche when I first watched it as a small child.
Merry Christmas. 😀
Just rewatched can relate
0:33 Makes me wanna cry… seeing toys that were treated this way.
I know it's depressing, consumptionism at it's finest
I can't avoid thinking about a creepy Woody marionette swinging and laughing just like Scrooge in this scene...
Why did I always hear it as the Scrooge puppet saying “YOUR A DONUT!!”
I know this was a while ago, but this comment just made my day LOL 😂
I used to think he said “You’re a Doll, ya!
@@HinckleyBranchRailfanI thought he said "You're a Dollar!!"
Guys, you’ve got it all wrong. He said “You’re a Doubter”. Not dollar 💵, not donut 🍩, not doll. Doubter.
The Scrooge puppet is just doing the ragdoll dance while raging! LOL 😂
I know a lot of people were freaked out by this scene, but I actually found it quite hysterical! 😂
Finally. Someone else who was never scared of this scene.
Tom Hanks really does love to play toys who come alive and scare kids don’t he.
LOL
@@RedPandaGirl002 I would’ve laughed if Scrooge said “so play nice”
1:07 You are just like me my friend. A SCROOGE!
EBENEZER Scrooge!
North Pole, Santa Claus, This train, IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF HUMBUG!
@@snorthepirate7360 A bout of indigestion. Oh yeah, I know what you are. You're a DOUBTER! A DOUBTER, YOU DON'T BELIEVE! YOU'RE A DOUBTER! YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!
"You got a friend in me.."
The toys! The toys are alive! N-Nice toy… 😰
Imagine if Woody said that to Sid Phillips
As if that kid needed another reason to be scarred for life. 😂
Maybe you intended this but that reminds me of the interview with Tom Hanks on Ellen where if you close your eyes they sound like Woody and Dory.
They should’ve made him say “YOUR A TOY TORTURER” for the reference
(Scrooge's puppet hand comes down
onto Hero Boy's shoulder at 1:04,
and he turns to see the freakish puppet!)
"You are just like me, my friend...
At 1:11,
…A SCROOGE!!!!!!
(Hero Boy gasps in horror!)
Ebenezer Scrooge.
North Pole, Santa Claus, this train,
IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF HUMBUG!!!
A bout of indigestion. Oh, yeah.
I know what you are...!
You're a… DOUBTER!!!!!!!!!!
(Hero Boy runs off in sheer terror at 1:29!)
"A DOUBTER!!!!! YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!
YOU'RE A DOUBTER!!!!!
YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!”
(The Scrooge Puppet laughs maniacally
as Hero Boy escapes from the toy car,
and his laughter fades away!)
random thought, but when Hero Boy ran away, I thought the Scrooge puppet was chasing him and the white gunk that was on the window of the passenger car was a mark left by the Scrooge
It wouldn't surprise me or a coincidence if the Scrooge puppet was just an Easter egg/Teaser for _A Christmas Carol_ which was Robert Zemeckis' next Christmas MoCap project released 5 years later, even the clothes the Scrooge Puppet has is the same clothes worn by Scrooge in the 2009 animated film.
Makes me wonder. Had Jim Carrey said no to the role, would Tom Hanks have done it. If so, I'd be scared.
“You are just like me
TRYING TO MAKE HISTORYYYY!”
This is definitely Toy Story on another level.
This scene is hilarious. Probably my favorite part of the movie.
Did it ever scare you though? I almost developed a severe case of *Pupaphobia* from _this_ scene.
Finally someone with the same opinion
Someone said this in the new Pinocchio movie with Tom Hanks 😂
2022 remake
Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film)
A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
Others have probably pointed it out, but... The Scrooge puppet is the same character design later featured in Zemeckis' own rendition of A Christmas Carol five years after this.
I too would be scared to death if a random puppet started talking like Scrooge
While it did freak me out a little this scene really is what got me into fixing old toys like new again
The boy at the beginning represents adulthood, growing up, “seeing is believing”. While as the movie goes on he slowly regains his childhood and starts believing again, he sees the joy of childhood and believing, while the bell helps him remember.
Although this scene wasn't pleasant to watch as a child (and I still find it rather terrifying), I originally had assumed that he was saying, "I know what you are, you're a _darling_ !"
I originally thought he said "you're a dollar!", which makes even less sense. XD
@@windowlightstudios4733 But it does sound closer to "doubter" than what I once thought the line was (LOL).
The old man marionette always scared the crap out of me as a kid, especially when it started yelling
0:48. That scrooge doll is nothing compared to that Pinocchio.
😳😳😳😳
2022 remake
Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film)
A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
Coincidence, perhaps?
@@ludonymous526 "I think not!"- Lou Romano, 2004
@@athanalconcel9083 Well. Or maybe some foreshadowing.
Even when I was young I’d think this would be hilarious!
I remember having nightnares of that Scrooge doll
Did you develop *Pupaphobia* since that time now?
@@RedPandaGirl002 not anymore but I don't remember the animation to look very creepy, especially with the blank faced butlers and chefs
@@siphonophores Ah I see.
Kristina Brumbaugh me
Siphonophore ikr
The abandoned toy car is pretty spooky.
2022 remake
Main article: Pinocchio (2022 live-action film)
A live-action adaptation directed by Robert Zemeckis who also co-produced and co-written with Chris Weitz, and stars Tom Hanks as Geppetto, Benjamin Evan Ainsworth as Pinocchio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Jiminy Cricket, Cynthia Erivo as the Blue Fairy, Keegan-Michael Key as Honest John, Luke Evans as the Coachman and Lorraine Bracco as a new character named Sofia the Seagull. The film was released to the streaming service Disney+ on September 8, 2022.
1:27 Woody Would Be Angry At Chris If He Didn’t Believe In Christmas
The toys! The toys are alive! N-nice toy…
Boo
@@2011Appleman AAAAHHH!
What’s wrong Sid? Don’t you wanna play with Sally?
Foreshadowing the 2009 Christmas Carol movie.
The funny thing about this scene isn't about the movie, it's the fact this one scene is probably what gave the devs who made the video game of Polar Express to make the scrooge puppet the antagonist.
I had a phobia of puppets and dolls for years of my childhood because of this scene
1:05 I swear if I walk into a room full of puppets or dolls in general and one does this to me I’m running for my life 😨
Edit: I know it shows the hobo controlling the puppet but I’m still running, he’s also creepy
Scrooge: You are just like me, my friend... A SCROOGE!!! EBENEZER SCROOGE, North Pole, Santa Claus, the train! It's a bunch of humbug! A bout of indigestion, oh yeah, I know what you are, you're a DOUBTER!!!!! A DOUBTER YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!! A DOUBTER YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!! HAHAHA! DOUBTER!!!!!!!!!
This scene always makes me laugh. It never scared me at all.
Scrooge Puppet: Wait until I steal their golden tickets!
0:47 Those must've got mixed up when the train went down glacier gulch.
That moment scared to almighty daylights out of me when i was a kid watching this scene. 😅
I honestly have always seen a deep message behind this scene.. I be overthinking tho 😂
No there definitely is a message, but I can’t figure it out. Maybe it says something about greed and whealth (you get a bunch of toys and then abandon them when you tire of them in order to buy more and you don’t appreciate them wich is why you aren’t careful and break them). The part where the hobo uses them to scare the boy could be a way of illustrating the fear that some doubters may have wich leaves them hesitant. They fear what their peers will think of their doubts, what God will think of their doubts and if they are doubting some sort of cause (am I doing the right thing?) they fear what those affected by their decision will think. That’s my two cents. I could be wrong but their definitely is a message, otherwise they wouldn’t have placed this scene as it otherwise has very little barring on the plot. If a scene has little affect on the plot but is still very poignant and memorable, it probably is trying to communicate something.
@@Myself23512 honestly this is probably the best theory/analysis I’ve heard from someone about this scene. I absolutely see where you’re coming from.
@@Boogie44 Thank you
@@Boogie44 What I am very curious about is what does the hobo himself represent. Maybe he is a devil tempting him or an angel keeping him on the straight and narrow path. I am particularly curious about his question: “Do you believe in ghosts” and when the boy says no he answers “interesting”. I feel a chill whenever he asks that question and somehow I feel that it is saying something profound but I don’t understand. Maybe the frightening implications of faith? “If God exists, why not ghosts?” or it’s a distinction between religious faith and weird superstitious faith. This time it is very possible that I am the one who is overthinking.
@@Myself23512 I agree a LOT with the latter of what you mentioned, with the questioning of faith. As for what the hobo represents, maybe instead of a “angel/devil” approach, it might be more symboling duality of man. (So maybe in the sense of the hobo at one point not believing in Santa, but then finally believing once he goes to the North Pole. Maybe even with the ghost question too it might be that while he was alive he had no reason to believe in ghosts until he tragically was one.) the hobo clearly knows Santa exists in that world, but he also understands the main character’s skepticism. The whole scene here is definitely trying to send a message of faith, and how far it can get you if you have it (perhaps being on the Polar Express) or how low it can keep you without it (like example Ebenezer Scrooge, who didn’t believe in the spirit of Christmas at all and was very mean-spirited and miserable until he did.) I love your analysis though, don’t fret about over thinking. Also I be late af but Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays dude! ☃️
That 8 year old boy is not a doubter and he’s not a scrooge, he believes and he likes Christmas.
He didnt believe before he got on the train.
Exactly, he doubts but by the end he believes for the rest of his life. He's just like Scrooge.
This scene scared the crap out of me when I was little.
1:05 Fun Fact: The Director of The Polar Express later Directed the 2009 Disney Film A Christmas Carol.
I swear i remember seeing all the puppets clinging on to him as a kid
He's basically "Nick", which is a nickname of the devil. There seems to be a "devil" antagonist in almost every movie. He's not truly "evil", per say, but exists to test the waters of the observing protagonist. The devil cannot "force" one's thoughts and actions, but can "persuade" them to make their own choices. He also brings up an interesting point, about fearing looking like a gullible fool, so in turn you do a disservice to everyone you run into, out of fear of betrayal, you trust nobody, which further seperates you from those around you, and encourages you to take what isn't your own, before someone does it to you in turn, thus creating a loop of distrust. If you can truly believe in nobody, you become a lone wolf that can feed off of other's misfortunes in exchange for your own gain. This theory further cements itself when you see him "puppeteering" the "foresaken and the abandoned", the tangled strings of confusion being easier for Nick to grab hold of, and representing further pressure to confirm or deny your beliefs through the illusion of pressure from your peers, instead of your own heart or intuition, making you consider joining the ranks of the untrusting crowds (tangled puppet strings) that follow Nick's persuasion (just an illusion, but can be a powerful one). But Nick also doesn't want you to die, because then both "sides" would lose you (2 sides of one coin, basically). This was also the plot behind the strange movie "The Imaginatium of Dr. Parnassus." He also mentions he's a "King", as he's basically the king of this world, assigned a very important role of perception through deception, on this physical plane where we seem to reside. I am now "derailing" too far off topic for most, but I find it interesting that the home of most movie magic, is "Los Angeles", which translates into "The Angels", as in the ones put in charge of running this physical plane (again, not evil, just 2 sides of the same coin). I also caught where the conductor said he was saved from slipping off the train. The girl then asked "Was it an angel?" and he said "Could be," possibly indicating the devil technically is also an angel. I am not a religious person, but I have learned to read between the lines pretty well, and is very fascinating to me the amount of detail that was put into this amazing Christmas movie, it's a classic! 🎄
I don’t think the hobo’s like that… I think he’s a “lost passenger”.
The boy was helped and essentially rescued by the hobo… but what about if the hobo was a child back then… who was there to save him?
Or what if the whole thing about being thrown off the train, what if that policy back then was… different? He wasn’t taken to the front, he really was thrown off the back.
If he somehow held on, there was nobody to help him over the coaches… and by the time Flat-Top Tunnel came into view, it was too late…
ie… “Do ya believe in ghosts?”
That’s genuinely deep, man. Also, as soon as you called the Devil Nick I thought of The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, and when I saw you directly reference it I was really shocked. It’s one of my favorite movies, and my favorite Gilliam movie(at least atm), and seeing anyone reference it is almost always surprising to me.
@@sdmedia1323 in a deleted scene the engineers sang a song about the hobo who slept on top of the train until he died because of flat top tunnel
@@TingusPingus445 that would certainly explain the line "There's only one inch of clearance between the roof of this rattler and the roof of flat-top tunnel...laddy" in a deeper meaning
I don’t think the hobo can be equated to the devil, some commenters have mentioned that the hobo represents the original Christmas spirit, or even the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. I would say the Hobo is more consistent with the Holy Ghost than the devil, because the hobo does no harm, and really seems to only be around to help out, but with a jaded and also grounded perspective.
The Hobo makes these statements spreading doubt about whether Santa Claus is real or not, but I think actually there is irony in these statements, and it serves to point out the elephant in the room which in this story is the ability to accept, trust, and hope in uncertainty, the uncertainty of there being a Santa Claus or not.
The Hobo does confirm, when he saves the conductor and the children, that ghosts are real by being one himself. The irony of seeing is believing, is that it is not true. It is as others put it here, the other way around, believing is seeing. And this is confirmed with the ending, Santa appears only after he believes.
Scared me more than anything in Coraline as a kid
"Leave me! Take me back! HAUNT ME NO LONGER!"
-Ebenezer Scrooge, *A Christmas Carol (2009)*
What is it with kids movies having at least one traumatizing scene out of nowhere?
I always found this scene hilarious
I was always freaking out and so scared seeing that puppet face as kid, that scene traumatized me 😂 now hopefully it dont anymore
In my memory (before I looked up the clip) I thought he was getting chased. He wasn't 🤣
I never understood this scene as a child like he looks up and sees the man controlling the dummy but still gets scared afterwards?
It's still creepy, and it seemed like the hobo made his voice come straight from the puppet.
He's scared because he's being accused to his face and he knows every word is true.
His first fear is simple and childish: being approached by a creepy living puppet. When he looks up and sees the hobo it changes into a grown-up fear: if he believes, he risks becoming a "puppet" manipulated by others he doesn't understand (like the hobo controls the toy). This is why he doubts and gets called out for it. In this scene, while the boy is struggling with his problems internally, the hobo notices and challenges him to face his fears in the bluntest way possible. It's necessary but scary.
@@jellyfish0311 Ohhh that makes so much sense now. Especially since his whole character is about taking risks and sticking up for others. Thank you so much! 😊
This scene scared the heck out of me when i was younger
This really scarred me as a kid. This was such a scary scene, especially considering it wasn’t super relevant to the main plot of the story.
Did anyone else notice the boy looking at the girl puppet like this? Lol 0:55
Yeah I didn’t spot it as a kid, but I sort of noticed her which picked up my curiosity now as a adult. As well as Pinocchio below her. He was creepy though just like Scrooge. But as for the woman, she looked to maybe be a dancer, actress or singer of that time period.
If he’d end up a Scrooge, he would probably meet the three ghosts of Christmas
"You will be visited by Three Spirits!" - Jacob Marley
That was the scariest scene I have ever seen in the film
So I’m sure I’m going to get hated for this because we live in a world where we all have to agree on the same thing & if someone doesn’t feel, think, or opinion of the same thing...we are looked down upon.
As a child I didn’t pay any attention to this but as a grown woman I realized that the hobo in this film is very handsome.
I don’t hate you, he’s actually not bad for a hobo. He’s like the jester/sidekick to the main character.
This scene was why I was scared of dolls as a kid :(
this scene scared the fuckin shit outta me when i was a kid
Did you almost developed *Pupaphobia* from almost all the years?
I remember just how freaked out I was when that thing yelled “SCROOGE!!”
We toys…..can see Everything. So play nice.
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When I was younger I thought 1:24 " You're a dollar" Now I know it's you're a doubter
Just now realized that was a Scrooge puppet
1:27 You’re a *DOUBTER!* A doubter you don’t believe! You’re a doubter! *YOU DON’T BELIEVE!*
That Hobo bogus for that.
Imagine if Scrooge was replaced with Krampus instead! 😈😈😈
And then What?
Anyone else hear it as "YOU'RE A DOLLAR!" the first 5 times you watched this and can no longer unhear it even once you realized he said you don't believe right afterwards
A way to haunt your friends on christmas eve.
I would love more this movie if there wasn't this scene when i was a child😅
While this scene didn't really scare me as much as some other people, this movie definitely scared me a little when I was a kid. I still appreciate it a lot though. This scene was honestly super neat to me as a kid though. I think it was the fact that I knew who Scrooge was so I was all "omg it's Scrooge! I know that guy!"
i was only seven or eight when i saw this, the damaged toys actually made me cry, i was one of those kids who spent more time finding ways to fix things then break them
This scene scared me as a kid every time I watched this movie.
1:12 OMG Pennywise!
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At first, I always thought he was saying donut 🍩 🤣
0:48 OMG DID THE MOVIE PREDICTED THAT DIRECTOR ROBERT ZEMECKIS WOULD DIRECT DISNEY’S REMAKE OF PINOCCHIO?
1:10 - 1:36 and by the way this part is extremely scary as hell.
“Makes me want to cry, seeing toys that we’re treated this way”
I felt the same too 😔
It's so sad that the iPad kids will never relate to this because they're too busy watching cocomelon instead of playing with actual toys
“Makes me wanna cry” she was blazed the whole movie
1:28 Jumpscare warning.
The Conductor knows there’s a proper time for Christmas and tells heartfelt knowledge from past experiences. He’s “ghost of Christmas past”
Santa has the most presence, but is gone in an instant. That’s the “ghost of Christmas present”
The fear of how bad the next Christmas will be is the ‘push’ that brings us back on board. That’s the Hobo “ghost of Christmas future”.
I love the hobo
Same. Such a mysterious character.
Agreed. He's really interesting in my opinion.
Now at 26 years old. This movie hits home. It’s about a kid who thinks things are too good to be true. He’s just like me. A doubter
That Scrooge toy puppet seems kinda creepy.
Does anybody notice that ghost is controlling the Scrooge puppet?
Hey ghost man, stop it will you?! You’re scaring the boy.
Woody confronts Sid but he says this instead
The Funny Thing Is I know he calls the kid A DOUBTER BUT I ALWAYS IMAGINED HIM CALLING THE kid A DALLOR You Know Like A Dallor Bill LOL And We All Know Scrooge Is All About Money Right ?!
By some miracle, this scene didn’t traumatize me, although it did give me a good spook
I always skipped this as a kid💀
The 3 people who disliked this are doubters
This Scene Gives Me Nightmares
this scene was vile. longest minutes of my life, entire core memories with much more horrifying details.