Just managed to buy a Peruvian model 1909 today all matching, on an auction for 351 euros 😃 good shape and very good bore, about 98% bluing. Not refurbished.
The 1909 is actually a firearm I shot a hell of alot growing up. I always was slightly afraid of it growing up because it seemed to be such a powerful firearm. Eventually it became my favorite, and I fell in love with high power bolt guns, namely Mauser.
Since sights are such an important part of rifles, how about making a video about how they evolved? These and the original Mosin sights are just crazy and I love it!
Finally, a rifle which I own one of comes up in your show Ian. Love your show and my 1909 that I am currently refinishing an bringing back its full glory. I bought it for 250€ about two years ago and have yet to give it a try at the range!
The bayonet says "Solingen", that's the name of a german city that still produces quality knives and all sorts of blades, and it's very common to find "Solingen" on good knives in Germany.
I'm looking forward to the 1935 model video. My father picked one up when he was a pup. At the gun store he said they had a great big barrel full of them caked with grease and they cost next to nothing. It was chambered for .30-'06 and was the first rifle I ever fired.
Hey what a nice surprise to see a rifle Im very familiar with My grandpa is peruvian and owns the 1909 verion, pretty nice rifle to shoot. Also what about some Chilean FAMAE weapons? Here in Chile is rather hard to get some fancy old FAMAE guns since the army sold most of the surplus to other countries.
Ian, greetings from Argentina, I'm the proud son of an Argentine Mauser 1909 owner. The caliber itself for the Argentine Mauser is 7.65x54 but according to some literature ammunition was later manufactured in 7.65x53 although all Arg Mauser chambers kept the 7.65x54 profile (don't know for how long because I've never seen any 7.65x53 myself, everything available here from local military industries comes in 7.65x54). Honestly I wasn't aware of the latter and when I heard you mentioning the caliber some thoughts crossed my mind and since you're very well knowledgeable in the subject I decided to check before posting. Here's an image of 7.65x54 ammunition manufactured at our Fray Luis Beltran ammunition factory. ciervos.idoneos.com/img.foros/122069.pjpeg Thank you very much for your videos, they're amazing and a pleasure to watch.
Hi. Made a similar qstn reg. 53 o 54mm cartridge elsewhere. My understanding is that the length was actually 53.5mm (+half a mm) and some mgfs chose 54 & others 53 in their boxes. NB: no documentation at hand to back this story so far.
@Nicolas Leupold Indded. Just as a particular note, in Argentina all Mauser ammunition manufactured by both main military ammo factories (Fabricaciones Militares and Fray Luis Beltran) is labeled as "7.65x54 Mauser Argentino" in their respective boxes.
Peru also bought 98k rifles from Nazi germany in 1936, they bought a lot more German weapons but few made it to Peru because allied pressure there was even orders for panzer IV tanks to replace the panzer 38T that Peru bought in 1939 from Czechoslovakia. Interesting stories not well known.
I am from Peru and I have the long 1891 model without modifications in a considerable state (that is, original), only all the mechanisms were removed 
The rear sights of the Peruvian Mausers are different from the Argentinean models. The bayonet holder of the 1909 model is also different from the Argentinean 1909. Regards
Hey Ian, couple questions from another long haired brother. 1) How long have you been growing your hair? 2) How long does it take to dry your hair(to the point of satisfaction)? Keep up the great work man! Love all the work you do here and on inrange.
Awesome! I had an interarms sporterized 1909 Argentine rechambered to 30-06 with the flat sight. My childhood friend had a 91 in 7.65 Mauser and we fired 7.62 NATO through it because the only 7.65 ammo locally available at the time was Norma at a cost of $1 a round 37 years ago. The shoulder moving 2mm forward when the case fire formed lowered the effective pressure of the 7.62 but still useful. I reloaded the resulting short neck 7.65 Mauser cases and they shot fine but reduce the loads 10% because with the short neck is going to cause reduced powder capacity
My 91 Peruvian purchased from Springfield Sporter mid 70's. Still has the original barrel but was arsenal relined. Rough exterior but very bright and shiny bore. Shoots nice 100 yard, bench rested clusters.
Ian, I love all the videos you put out and have taught me more about firearms then I ever thought I would have. I was wondering if you would do a video on the history of all the schmidt rubin rifle series. I just bought a pair of them, one a k31 and the other what i suspect is a 1896/11 model that i picked up for 275 each. I would love to learn more about this series of rifles.
I bought an Argentine 1909 sporterized to 243. It has markings that the receiver was made in Berlin. Is there a good source to find out any history to the old bird?
My dads hunting rifle is a Mauser 98 in .30-06. I think it is Colombian IIRC. It had been re-barreled with a Douglas barrel tapped for a scope Turned down bolt and makes a very nice low price gun I picked up years ago.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot find a video of the Argentine series of Mausers in your channel..., just one crome plated surplus infantry rifle. As always, great content!
Another great video, Ian, thank you. Can we finally go as far as to say that any modern-manufactured interchangeable-part war rifles that saw the rigors of war and arsenals can be deemed 'correct' if only the bolt (or, in really modern rifles, bolt carrier groups) is mismatched? We all know that parts break on war rifles, and that parts are interchanged for maintenance. For America's modern AR-based platforms, considering the BCG's aren't serialized, one has to wonder just how many are 'mismatched' and would, thus, be worth less to collectors if held to the same standards we hold older bolt-action weapons to. I understand that Russian-capture mix-and-match is something else entirely, but I'd venture to guess that even the Germans - who are known to be rigid on serializing everything - when push came to shove, mismatched bolts to K98's on occasion to keep rifles working. At least, that's what this small-time enthusiast and collector wonders about.
Believing that EVERY bolt from a 1909 is interchangeable with EVERY 1909 rifle can get you into a lot of trouble! I know this for a fact because headspace on my 1909 with a mismatched bolt was so damn tight you couldn't even chamber a round.
Ian please excuse me if someone else has put this in the comments earlier but I have not seen anyone mention this. The Lange Vizier sights are quite common on the M93 Spanish mausers, many having been converted to 7.62mm NATO. Their sight picture is even worse as they have an awful pair of front sight protector 'ears' that are extremely close to the sight blade making the sight picture terribly cluttered.
I doubt you look at comments on these old videos, but I just picked up a very nice all matching FN produced Peruvian Model 1935 Short Rifle in .30-06. Was hoping you had done a video on one.
+forgottenweapons have you ever done a video about a punt gun, the guns used for commercial bird hunting in the 1800's? If not I hope you find one some time
Can you do a video about the Chilean Mauser? I saw one which came in the same lot of the Lee Speed. I'd love to buy them but... it's not that easy in this country
dismatching serial numbers is a proof of weapons manufacturing snadarization. so what that the numbers does not match? it still works just fine, or beter becouse it hasreplaced parts for new and working ones.
After consulting this video and taking apart my (unfortunately) sporterized Argentine Mauser, I've come to the conclusion.......that it has the original barrel. It has the handshake acceptance mark on the side of the sight block, which looks like it held a ladder sight because of the hinge on the back, a Z or N stamped under the stock instead of a Sig mark, and has the matching serial number on the side of the barrel. Is it a bad thing that my uncle, who owned it previously, has been running spitzer ammunition through it?
I purchased one of these rifles today that has been customized and looks like the barrel has been changed , where can I get chamber sized for correct ammo in east Texas ?
Was this also during the same timeframe as the south american dreadnought arms race? Edit, duh.. just looked at the dates. 1909 was still before that.. sort of. South american dreadnought race was between Brazil and Chile.
the peruvian mauser were just german mauser made to peruvian military specs, just that; the american moisint were the other way around, guns made by a manufacturer distint from the original for the original user.
A big lot of those 1909 mausers were destroyed by the peruvian government in 2010 or 2011, also the 1935 pattern were the ones rechambered for 30.06, not 1909. The ones that weren't destroyed still keep the original configuration
Interarms did a lot of sketchy things... Good business decision regarding the purchase of the rifles with the bolts separate for sure. But, total laziness when it came to matching the original bolts. The same can be said for CIA with the Mosins and their bayonets. So it can be largely said that importers were the ones who destroyed the originality of many if not most Milsurps. It might be interesting sometime if you could look into the 3000 1909 Argentine's manufactured in 1911 that had a separate and weird s/n range - not published but I presume they were in the range M3998-M6998. I've often wondered why they did this and if it were for a special use?
they estimate that there are approx. 70,000,000 mauser type guns in the world, and Mauser alone has made some 18,000,000-25,000,000, not exactly a rare piece, except for maybe condition!!! I've seen old Mausers at gun shows around Ohio go for between a 150.00 and 375.00!!!
Torres75 In my opinion any model 98 large ring standard length Mauser is worth at least $400 just in the action alone. Keep them military, or turn very poor condition rifles into sporters. You won't find finer quality rifles today unless you're spending $700+. I buy them all the time whenever I can get them with the metal not very pitted. Usually they just need a good cleaning and military calibers are usually more than suitable for hunting. Small ring cock on close Mausers aren't as desirable.
Torres75 I wouldn't bash on the mosins too much. With some TLC and a few accurizing tricks most of mine shoot MOA or Sub-MOA with my hand loads. I have one with a Zeiss scope and Timney trigger that will make one ragged hole 10 shot groups at 100 yards- and that's in an unbedded Russian wood stock. They are a fairly unrefined action and vastly slower to operate than the Mauser but I wouldn't call them garbage. The surplus tin ammo is trash though. I agree the west coast is really deteriorating in terms of gun rights. If Washington gets any worse and institutes an assault weapons ban I'll move out to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming.
I might also add my 91 Peruvian shot both round nose and spit zeros equally well. In the 70's shooting bud's and I used to shoot a man sized dong at 350-450 yards. My 91 shot as well as any of the mil-surp rifles we collected. With the then expensive Norma ammo close to five bucks a box. I rarely missed the long range dong with Norma or hand loaded ammo. During that era we split a lot of 7.65 Turk ammo. Best I recall shipping cost more than the ammo. The Turk 765 was by far, bar none the worse ammo I've ever used. Not t simply dirty but at least 50% hang fired and about 10% duds.
Seems like the Peruvian Mauser owners need to set up a sort of bolt exchange program. That way they can try to match bolt and rifle numbers match up.
Just managed to buy a Peruvian model 1909 today all matching, on an auction for 351 euros 😃 good shape and very good bore, about 98% bluing. Not refurbished.
I have an 1891 Argentine. Such a sweet shooter.
imagine that when April fools comes along ian does a video talking about a rock, explaining how it was a popular weapon among early humans. etc etc
get this channel to 100,000 subs with no videos. He actually did this
get this channel to 100,000 subs with no videos. Or a stick
I would enjoy this very much.
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I'm honestly waiting for Ian to review old Nerf guns for an April Fool's video.
I always admired the fantastic fit, finish and craftsmanship of these early South American Mausers. They are beautiful guns.
The 1909 is actually a firearm I shot a hell of alot growing up. I always was slightly afraid of it growing up because it seemed to be such a powerful firearm. Eventually it became my favorite, and I fell in love with high power bolt guns, namely Mauser.
Since sights are such an important part of rifles, how about making a video about how they evolved?
These and the original Mosin sights are just crazy and I love it!
Great info Ian, Thanks! I have a 1909 Peruvian in excellent condition with all matching numbers! I got lucky!
Finally, a rifle which I own one of comes up in your show Ian. Love your show and my 1909 that I am currently refinishing an bringing back its full glory. I bought it for 250€ about two years ago and have yet to give it a try at the range!
that 1891 has such a smooth, clean look to it
I just got a Czechoslovakian made K98k from a small gunstore in my town for 170. As a birthday present from my mother.
Scribe Hammar nice
I am Peruvian and as soon as I saw this I went OH SHIIIT
Digito
Me too, now I bought myself both rifles the 1891 and the 1909.
Im peruvian as well. No way you have one, where do you get them?
Me too! First time I feel patriotic about something.
I wanna buy a mauser rifle here in peru
The bayonet says "Solingen", that's the name of a german city that still produces quality knives and all sorts of blades, and it's very common to find "Solingen" on good knives in Germany.
Peter Peterson ... i own the bayonet for the 1891...its in great shape, love it
Aka Klingenstadt Solingen 😉
I like guns in the white. Looks really nice.
Kuddlesworth NA Agreed.
But I thought (through owning an all matching original 1891) that the receivers were deep blued like the rest of the gun.
I'm looking forward to the 1935 model video. My father picked one up when he was a pup. At the gun store he said they had a great big barrel full of them caked with grease and they cost next to nothing. It was chambered for .30-'06 and was the first rifle I ever fired.
Hey what a nice surprise to see a rifle Im very familiar with
My grandpa is peruvian and owns the 1909 verion, pretty nice rifle to shoot.
Also what about some Chilean FAMAE weapons? Here in Chile is rather hard to get some fancy old FAMAE guns since the army sold most of the surplus to other countries.
Ian, greetings from Argentina, I'm the proud son of an Argentine Mauser 1909 owner. The caliber itself for the Argentine Mauser is 7.65x54 but according to some literature ammunition was later manufactured in 7.65x53 although all Arg Mauser chambers kept the 7.65x54 profile (don't know for how long because I've never seen any 7.65x53 myself, everything available here from local military industries comes in 7.65x54). Honestly I wasn't aware of the latter and when I heard you mentioning the caliber some thoughts crossed my mind and since you're very well knowledgeable in the subject I decided to check before posting.
Here's an image of 7.65x54 ammunition manufactured at our Fray Luis Beltran ammunition factory.
ciervos.idoneos.com/img.foros/122069.pjpeg
Thank you very much for your videos, they're amazing and a pleasure to watch.
Hi. Made a similar qstn reg. 53 o 54mm cartridge elsewhere. My understanding is that the length was actually 53.5mm (+half a mm) and some mgfs chose 54 & others 53 in their boxes. NB: no documentation at hand to back this story so far.
@Nicolas Leupold Indded. Just as a particular note, in Argentina all Mauser ammunition manufactured by both main military ammo factories (Fabricaciones Militares and Fray Luis Beltran) is labeled as "7.65x54 Mauser Argentino" in their respective boxes.
Peru also bought 98k rifles from Nazi germany in 1936, they bought a lot more German weapons but few made it to Peru because allied pressure there was even orders for panzer IV tanks to replace the panzer 38T that Peru bought in 1939 from Czechoslovakia. Interesting stories not well known.
I am from Peru and I have the long 1891 model without modifications in a considerable state (that is, original), only all the mechanisms were removed

The rear sights of the Peruvian Mausers are different from the Argentinean models. The bayonet holder of the 1909 model is also different from the Argentinean 1909. Regards
The Argentine 1909 bayonet lug adaptor allows the use of the 1891 pattern bayonet, and by removing the adapter, the use of the 1898 pattern bayonet.
i never thought that i would find anything from my country in this channel , nice
You should do a video on the turkish 1893 mauser. I think one of the coolest mauser historries of them all.
Hey Ian, have you ever thought about reviewing the 1916 Spanish Mausers? Even though they are cheap there is a lot of fragmented info about them.
Hey Ian, couple questions from another long haired brother. 1) How long have you been growing your hair? 2) How long does it take to dry your hair(to the point of satisfaction)? Keep up the great work man! Love all the work you do here and on inrange.
Awesome! I had an interarms sporterized 1909 Argentine rechambered to 30-06 with the flat sight. My childhood friend had a 91 in 7.65 Mauser and we fired 7.62 NATO through it because the only 7.65 ammo locally available at the time was Norma at a cost of $1 a round 37 years ago. The shoulder moving 2mm forward when the case fire formed lowered the effective pressure of the 7.62 but still useful. I reloaded the resulting short neck 7.65 Mauser cases and they shot fine but reduce the loads 10% because with the short neck is going to cause reduced powder capacity
My 91 Peruvian purchased from Springfield Sporter mid 70's. Still has the original barrel but was arsenal relined. Rough exterior but very bright and shiny bore. Shoots nice 100 yard, bench rested clusters.
Peruvian Mauser carbine #0001 is for sale on gun broker, found it while doing some parts hunting yesterday.
You should do a video series on firearms importers like Interarms or Bannerman's.
I work for the Bannerman Castle Trust (boat Captain) I would love to see some vids on the business end of things.
Ian, I love all the videos you put out and have taught me more about firearms then I ever thought I would have. I was wondering if you would do a video on the history of all the schmidt rubin rifle series. I just bought a pair of them, one a k31 and the other what i suspect is a 1896/11 model that i picked up for 275 each. I would love to learn more about this series of rifles.
Wow, PPU actually makes ammo for this.
I would love to watch a video of the Swedish m/1896 Mauser.
my uncle has the argentine version of the 1891 mauser rifle
doge lord .... i own the bayonet for it
I bought an Argentine 1909 sporterized to 243. It has markings that the receiver was made in Berlin. Is there a good source to find out any history to the old bird?
another great video, keep it up!
My dads hunting rifle is a Mauser 98 in .30-06. I think it is Colombian IIRC. It had been re-barreled with a Douglas barrel tapped for a scope Turned down bolt and makes a very nice low price gun I picked up years ago.
I have several of the 7.65 mausers . I have found them @ pawn shops for between 15 - 50 bucks . They are good shooters .
My first old rifle was an 1891 Argentine Mauser
Dgotpwnd ... i own the bayonet for that rifle
Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I cannot find a video of the Argentine series of Mausers in your channel..., just one crome plated surplus infantry rifle. As always, great content!
Nope, I have not yet done anything on the standard Argentine Mausers.
Thanks for the bonus. Will u flip the sight indicator so when Bubba buys this he won't destroy it up cause he thinks it is inaccurate?
Another great video, Ian, thank you. Can we finally go as far as to say that any modern-manufactured interchangeable-part war rifles that saw the rigors of war and arsenals can be deemed 'correct' if only the bolt (or, in really modern rifles, bolt carrier groups) is mismatched? We all know that parts break on war rifles, and that parts are interchanged for maintenance. For America's modern AR-based platforms, considering the BCG's aren't serialized, one has to wonder just how many are 'mismatched' and would, thus, be worth less to collectors if held to the same standards we hold older bolt-action weapons to. I understand that Russian-capture mix-and-match is something else entirely, but I'd venture to guess that even the Germans - who are known to be rigid on serializing everything - when push came to shove, mismatched bolts to K98's on occasion to keep rifles working. At least, that's what this small-time enthusiast and collector wonders about.
Thank you so much!
damn you guys are quick.
I own the bayonet for the 1891 Arg. model . Its in great shape, love it
Again, looking forward for a Mauser-Vergueiro video :-)
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Gungry.
i'm garving.
MenwithHill - Gungry I like that.
Believing that EVERY bolt from a 1909 is interchangeable with EVERY 1909 rifle can get you into a lot of trouble! I know this for a fact because headspace on my 1909 with a mismatched bolt was so damn tight you couldn't even chamber a round.
I just bought a 1909 Today and was very sad its not with matching numbers. Npw i know its not bad at all. Thank you very much for that infornation
Ian please excuse me if someone else has put this in the comments earlier but I have not seen anyone mention this.
The Lange Vizier sights are quite common on the M93 Spanish mausers, many having been converted to 7.62mm NATO.
Their sight picture is even worse as they have an awful pair of front sight protector 'ears' that are extremely close to the sight blade making the sight picture terribly cluttered.
I doubt you look at comments on these old videos, but I just picked up a very nice all matching FN produced Peruvian Model 1935 Short Rifle in .30-06. Was hoping you had done a video on one.
Ian, your knowledge and presentation is wonderful. I hope your not making this stuff up! Can anyone be this expert. Magnificent.
never wrong ;)
I feel special, HI IAN!!!
These look so slick
Ian great information
+forgottenweapons have you ever done a video about a punt gun, the guns used for commercial bird hunting in the 1800's? If not I hope you find one some time
I have a WW2 G98m with a Peruvian export stock on it, it’s original surprisingly
love the exposed mag. but that bolt handle has got to be turned down!!! never have understood the straight bolt handle?
keith moore It's easier to grab especially with gloves. I have a Swede and I love the straight handle.
FokkerAce1917 damn awkward for this hillbilly!!!
keith moore Gotta use your palm to slap it up and work it. I don't think it's actually meant to be "grabbed"
FokkerAce1917 I fine them awkward just the same and frankly, they just don't look right!!I guess i'm used to the American style!
Something I own well I own the Calvary carbine version...
You should do a video on the FN M48 Dutch East Indies Police Mauser if you can any information on them
I’d be very interested in seeing that video you kind of half promised us at the end there on the FN 1935 Mausers. Any estimates on an ETA?
Can you do a video about the Chilean Mauser? I saw one which came in the same lot of the Lee Speed. I'd love to buy them but... it's not that easy in this country
Beautiful pair of Mausers there. Take it they should be just as reliable as any other Mauser rifle?
Thanks for the interesting bonus :)
dismatching serial numbers is a proof of weapons manufacturing snadarization. so what that the numbers does not match? it still works just fine, or beter becouse it hasreplaced parts for new and working ones.
After consulting this video and taking apart my (unfortunately) sporterized Argentine Mauser, I've come to the conclusion.......that it has the original barrel. It has the handshake acceptance mark on the side of the sight block, which looks like it held a ladder sight because of the hinge on the back, a Z or N stamped under the stock instead of a Sig mark, and has the matching serial number on the side of the barrel.
Is it a bad thing that my uncle, who owned it previously, has been running spitzer ammunition through it?
Nice examples.
we gave peru mausers they gave us mirages, they are the only true brothers in our eyes.
It's hilarious that Argentina and Peru had better rifles, made in Germany, than the Germans when they adopted these.
I purchased one of these rifles today that has been customized and looks like the barrel has been changed , where can I get chamber sized for correct ammo in east Texas ?
hey Ian, is there anything interesting or remarkable about the Mauser 71/84 that would be worth making a video for?
how much would one of these peruvian mausers cost? As a Peruvian, it would be neat to have considering its historical significance.
that 91. is sweet.
Was this also during the same timeframe as the south american dreadnought arms race?
Edit, duh.. just looked at the dates. 1909 was still before that.. sort of.
South american dreadnought race was between Brazil and Chile.
I have one of those Argentine Model 1891 bayonets it's more or less a wall hanger since I don't have the rifle it goes with lol
leif hardin ...i also own one. Its in great shape, love it
Most Interesting!!
First an American mosin nagant, now a Peruvian mauser. Are there soviet era Russian ar18s?
the peruvian mauser were just german mauser made to peruvian military specs, just that; the american moisint were the other way around, guns made by a manufacturer distint from the original for the original user.
A big lot of those 1909 mausers were destroyed by the peruvian government in 2010 or 2011, also the 1935 pattern were the ones rechambered for 30.06, not 1909. The ones that weren't destroyed still keep the original configuration
my country has a new Rifle:The FAD.
i own a 1891 model bayonet with an aluminum grip :D
ScreamingSturmovik ... i own one as well
What's the best forum to go to in order to identify an old rifle? My grandpa has an old bolt action rifle and i can't find any info about it
These types of Mauser Rifles were used in the Ecuadorian-Peruvian War by Peru
Could you do the Brazilian Mausers? I've got a Brazilian Mauser factory chambered in 30-06 and can't find much info on it.
No!
What is the average price on a 1909? local gun shop has one for $500
can you do a video on the m48 Yugoslavian mauser?
Please make a video sometime about the AR-18.
do u think most south American mauser bayonets fit each others rifles?
Did you have, by any chances, see belgian mausers, Ian?
Anyway to tell production dates of the 1909 models?
They probably had matching number guns but sold them for a premium. You want an unmatched gun $150 you want a matched number gun $500.
I think you said this was done in 2017, please do not drag out old videos
Interarms did a lot of sketchy things... Good business decision regarding the purchase of the rifles with the bolts separate for sure. But, total laziness when it came to matching the original bolts. The same can be said for CIA with the Mosins and their bayonets. So it can be largely said that importers were the ones who destroyed the originality of many if not most Milsurps. It might be interesting sometime if you could look into the 3000 1909 Argentine's manufactured in 1911 that had a separate and weird s/n range - not published but I presume they were in the range M3998-M6998. I've often wondered why they did this and if it were for a special use?
please make a video about brazilian m954 mausers.
The problem with the number matches is the same that happens with spanish mausers, mainly with m1916
can you make a video about vetterli rifle?
I have never checked the auction before but is an estimate of $1200-1700 for 5 rifles not low
These aren't very valuable guns. They're sold all the time for $200-400 each
they estimate that there are approx. 70,000,000 mauser type guns in the world, and Mauser alone has made some 18,000,000-25,000,000, not exactly a rare piece, except for maybe condition!!! I've seen old Mausers at gun shows around Ohio go for between a 150.00 and 375.00!!!
Torres75 In my opinion any model 98 large ring standard length Mauser is worth at least $400 just in the action alone. Keep them military, or turn very poor condition rifles into sporters. You won't find finer quality rifles today unless you're spending $700+. I buy them all the time whenever I can get them with the metal not very pitted. Usually they just need a good cleaning and military calibers are usually more than suitable for hunting.
Small ring cock on close Mausers aren't as desirable.
Torres75 I wouldn't bash on the mosins too much. With some TLC and a few accurizing tricks most of mine shoot MOA or Sub-MOA with my hand loads. I have one with a Zeiss scope and Timney trigger that will make one ragged hole 10 shot groups at 100 yards- and that's in an unbedded Russian wood stock. They are a fairly unrefined action and vastly slower to operate than the Mauser but I wouldn't call them garbage. The surplus tin ammo is trash though.
I agree the west coast is really deteriorating in terms of gun rights. If Washington gets any worse and institutes an assault weapons ban I'll move out to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming.
Moms Spaghetti
I might also add my 91 Peruvian shot both round nose and spit zeros equally well. In the 70's shooting bud's and I used to shoot a man sized dong at 350-450 yards. My 91 shot as well as any of the mil-surp rifles we collected. With the then expensive Norma ammo close to five bucks a box. I rarely missed the long range dong with Norma or hand loaded ammo.
During that era we split a lot of 7.65 Turk ammo. Best I recall shipping cost more than the ammo. The Turk 765 was by far, bar none the worse ammo I've ever used. Not t simply dirty but at least 50% hang fired and about 10% duds.
So many mausers
question back in the day how can a country buy rifles was there law. or something
That handshake mark actually means "fuck Chile" ;)
Why is it called spitzer instead of spitz?