I saw Sterling, Stuart, Langer, Joey, Thurston, Cronk and Cleary all play their careers. For mine Cleary takes the title. He has had more of an impact on the result of games than anyone else.
@@Chama266 well is Luai the greatest 5/8 or YEO the greatest 13 is fisher Harris/Leota greatest forward pairing? they also won 4 in a row. maybe 6-8-10 don't get praised because they don't wear Green & Gold..?
Before Martin scored that try I said to my brother, as in before the play of the ball: go left, go left… then Luai goes right and my first thought was like wtf. After Martin scores I’m to my brother again: that’s unreal, to just switch like that. Now, having heard the ‘hot’ call, whether Luai heard him or not, regardless, just brilliant instinct and game nous. They just find a way to win, and every GF they’ve won, they’ve won it differently.
I was in One World sport Church St Parramatta on my own in the lounge when Joeys Jaw got broken. I got up, turned to the bar and put $125 for the Knights to get the spoon. Joey was in my opinion the most influential player to ever play footy, his kicking game, running game, passing game and defensive effort was always on point and I feel he was better than the multitude of excellent halves he played against. In todays comp, there are no match ups like Joey had. Nathan is a great player, and I’m a life long Panthers fan but you gotta be broken and bounce back to get to the heights of a Johns or Stuart or Thurston in my opinion.
No disrespect but Cleary needs to carry a team other than his long-term clique before I could give him the GOAT title but no doubt he really is something pretty special, especially at his age.
@@kieraaanbreeewif you watch those games it’s obvious to see that Joey was playing halfback in attack and hooker in defence. Which is why Toovey would always be in dummy half despite wearing 7 and Joey would hardly be there
@@BH-dskpurely for versatility. Would you rather have only Joey in the squad knowing kimmorley can’t cover any other positions and would miss out entirely? Or would you rather have both players in the squad knowing Joey is versatile enough to cover another position. Common sense really
Mana is more like power and prestige/influence or spirit a person carries because of their character, spirit and status. JFH although not a captain still carries a lot of mana which is why he must go back to NZ to fill that spot in his family since his grandfather has passed. He knows who he is and his role in the wider scheme
Don't forget how good ''Jonathan Thurston'' was in a struggling team.. he won 4 Dally M, 3 Golden Boot Awards with other immortals to be in the NRL, also 9 or 10 Origin Series, CowBoys Maiden Premiership.. Got Smashed Almost Every Game, Late Shots got up still played busted. No Disrespect Nathan but Growing Up Basically In The NRL Helps a LOT.. 'THURSTON' came from nothing... everyone got their opinion.. isn't individual awards make ya stand out from the rest? or winning premierships with a once in a generation TEAM.. also played 36 state of origin games in a row idk if that will ever be broken.. Thurston is Number 1 for me the best 7..
Watching Joey manipulating the game at Origin like a chessmaster, he was like an alien among humans. Nathan has that potential but not quite there yet imo
Daly M is like the most consistent award. Cleary is the real MVP and has been for ages. He has missed heaps of football due to injury, but the contributions he makes when fit are worth more than any Daly M.
@@kieraaanbreeew as a cowboys fans that was the knock on Thurston for years was he didn’t have enough Dally Ms and Clive Churchills as Joey, being the best of all time is individual achievements
IMO Cleary is the best of his era. We should not try to “pick a winner”. Sterlo, Alfy, Ricky, Johns, Cronk, Thurston….. all amazing players in their era’s…… ALL equally the best…..
Everyone talks about the tigers coming through. They won the wooden spoon in all grades this year. The opposite to what Penrith did when we won in all grades
He's good, great even. Not in the same class as Smith and Joey. Who I rate as 1 and 2. Hasn't done enough in rep footy to challenge the likes of Thurston, Fittler, Locky etc. He's also a real big fish at the moment. A lot of the goats people bring up played in the same eras. Nathan stands out because everyone else is kind of on the same level. Whereas in times past, you'd have a number of great players spread across the comp. You just dont have that at the moment. I'll say not now, but he could end up there. He's still got plenty of footy in him.
@@jaredbrady5566 he already there every body gonna find arguments like he hasn’t performed at rep level stop the mans got 3 origin series, World Cup and won 4grand finals in a row all by the age of 26 he got a seat at the table with the greats of the game and when it all said n done i think he’ll be the undisputed best ever
Bottom line cleary has led his side to 5 gfs in a row,winning 4 straight,peter sterling said its near impossible to 3peat in the salary cap era penrith have won 4 in a row getting to 5for another team to better that they'd need to get to 6 in a row winning 5 I think it's safe to say that's impossible considering every year they've won they lost 3 or more players and like everyone else had to replace them ,but they just keep moving on ,yes wayne Bennett has won more gfs but he's never won 4 in a row on the trot that puts him behind cleary,u hear most nrl guys even 2in a row is mentally draining how about 4 enough said I remember the storm getting pumped 40 nil by manly without smith they were lost ,cronk and later couldn't bring them home thats the difference the clearys make
GF day should be just NYC afternoon and NRL twilight on GF day. NRLW GF and state championships should be played on separate days on suburban grounds, IMO.
I love the panthers to the end off time but to say he is the best is going to fare because the game as changed so much over the years different rules no video reff.
Andrew johns as good as he was couldnt take new castle to 5 in a row and win 4 itll never be done again in our lifetime that settles it clearys the goat hands down not even close 😊
that’s because his team wasn’t as good as this penrith team look at all the star players they have the whole team is stacked top to bottom nathan cleary hasn’t even won a dally m that’s how well rounded the team is it’s not just him
Look at the 23 gf biggest margin in gf history, under 20 mins to go ,penrith r getting pumped cleary still believed they could win doesn't matter how stacked your roster is mentally only a true champion could see a positive in attempting a comeback ,he sets up leotas try,kicks a 40twenty then scores the winner even jt couldn't and he ain't bad either enough said
I would go moses 7 cleary 6. It probably doesn't matter which way around you do it but moses 7 for me out of respect for what he did this year in Origin
One of reason he hasn't dominated origin I think is all the talk about him being the best when he's clearly not performed at origin ,just ease up on the hype let him prove himself at origin go from there , about 10 other players I can think of have dominated club and origin and he hasn't so let him prove it first ,I'm sure he can but until then it's just speculation
Nah,, Cleary is definitely in the group of elite half's,,, but Thurston and Cooper and John's are the top notch.... Panthers have only been able to win 4 in a row because the team is absolutely majestic... Not Cleary individually...
day or afternoon grand final would be way better for the players. not having to wait all day full of nerves, they would be more lethargic playing at 730
Come on boys keep the hype down ,this whole he's best ever talks needs to happen after he retires,for one he has never dominated origin ,to be at the table you have to dominate origin because it's the pinnacle group of the game ,Cameron Smith is by far the best of modern era because he's won the comps and dominated origin over long periods,Cleary needs decade of dominating origin before being even given a chair at the table .give it 10 years and we'll judge him then .
@@mm2222-u3w yet smith couldn’t win 4 grand finals in a row 😂 easy to win when you got Inglis, slater , Thurston and Cronk that team was stacked with future immortals Cleary absolutely deserve a seat and I bet if you were to ask cam smith and all those greats they might say he the best ever
Sonny Bill was never a center Coops, he always played as a backrower. Played a game or 2 in his first season in the number 3 jersey as a center but that's it
TBH the team was Good. Cleary was part of that good. Panthers win games without cleary and luai Too. Its a 13 men game and without the team I dont see Nathan standing Out. I mean No disrespect to Nathan though hes a player yet when hes got a whole lot of fully armed forward pack and stunning back line. Regardless hes still a good player but Not a GOAT to be honest. I dont see his Struggles to carry the team, The team carries him along..🙂🙏🇵🇬
since when does dominating at Rep level for several years become the measuring stick for him and not everyone else. JT, Cronk, Smith, GI and even Locky played in 1 rep side for crying out loud ahahahaha Joey only dominated 1 series at origin and he was in his early 30s by then.
I think Critter performed well better than Hughes. Unfair advantage for those who arent in the Origin series. Those games should count toward Dally M's. Don't like the bulldogs but you canr deny the impact he had.
NRL have a smaller budget than AFL and the entertainment always looks better. Why? because they are smart doing it when it's dark and in a prime time tv slot.
Nathan has had to deal with roster changes every year,his father recruited people others had lost faith in ,and amidst all this as the greatest father son pairing ever they pushed to 5 gfs and won 4 straight no coach has ever done it under the salary cap,stop making excuses for joey he couldn't put new castle on his back if he could new castle would have 4 straight gfs thats the truth and it does hurt😂
Well of course, with the progression of the game meaning fitness the ever changing goal posts of the game. Better ever until 10-20 years from now until the next super star to filter through. This is a stupid statement, how do you compare through the ages???
Lmao what a pathetic arguemt. Guy has rep players everywhere. Cant get hit becuase of the rules. Seriously how do past players even have this as a conversation
Nah, he’s looking like the most successful. But take langer out of Brisbane and they lose. Take John’s out of Newcastle and they lose, take Sterling out the eels and they lose take Stuart out of the raiders and they lose. Take Cleary out of the panthers and they march on unimpeded. Also there isn’t a single halfback or 5/8 in the game today that holds a candle to their 90s early 2000s counterparts. The props, the back rowers the wingers and fullbacks are all better today than back then. But halves have devolved into the most redundant positions. They all play 1 side of the field. Their big move is a second man play. They cross kick to the corner. There really isn’t any individuality or evolution in these positions. Cleary is the greatest of a terrible era. No doubt about it. But he’s not battling champions. The fact that it not for super league the 1995 World Cup team could have had any of 3 guys that Cleary is compared to says it all. The same goes to 5/8. I’m sorry but Cleary ain’t on the other guys levels and the game is to blame for that. For me the best in my lifetime is langer. Then Sterling, then Johns then Thurston and finally Stuart. With jones and Cronk then Cleary then Johnson
To be fair Langer went to England and the broncos won the comp without him, JT was injured in 2017 and the cowboys made the grand final without him, take Joey out of the knights and they run around like headless chooks
@@Zmart30yes teams will have success after a guy leaves. I’m not saying Brisbane just never did anything without Alfie. But certainly while he was playing in 88-99,02 the games he missed Brisbane lost, even with Renouf, sailor, Lockyer, Tallis, webcke, Lazarus and Walters. It was the same with Newcastle. That 97-03 knights era was stacked but when Andrew was out they got a wooden spoon. Famously Stuart led Canberra to a minor premiership in 93, broke his ankle and a side with Mullins, belcher, meninga, Daley, walters, wiki lost 3 games in a row and that was it. Cleary gets injured and misses half the season and the panthers just keep on going. Now is he the best halfback in the world right now? Yep it’s not even close. But as I say in 1995 the Australian halfback could have been any of Johns, langer and Stuart. With Alexander and Toovey possible squad members. Daley, walters, Fittler, Lyons, Johns and terry lam were all 5/8 options. That sort of depth just doesn’t exist at all in the modern game. Where as the fullback in 1995 could have been Mullins, ettingshausen or brasher. This year if all are healthy Tedesco, Walsh, Edward’s, ponga are all legitimate starters.
The nrl is hard to watch.... too many penalties that players can manipulate. Nrl is too busy catering to the small man instead of the gladiators that built the game. I don't care about player safety.... want to be safe, dont play footy!
Super league has less penalties, less milking of penalties, slower ruck speed as a result the players are bigger and when they give a try they don’t then take it away, they send it to video ref and he talks through his thought process no commentators speculating. Far better to watch only think missing is good commentators
@brzd86 nrls going down the same path as union to many bullshit penalties cards over nothing. It went sideways when they got rid of the shoulder charge. Too political as well. This game is not for everyone.
What has Nathan done more than Stirling and Mortimer, they won 4 premierships each and lost one each,let alone there origin and test rep games,I think everyone is getting a little bit excited 😊I forgot, they used to get there heads taken off 5 times a game as well😅
getting your head taken off 5 times a game means what ? that you play in a more reckless era with fewer parameters and less need for discipline and skill. Todays game is micro managed to the finest point. You can’t slip up on or off the field in today’s game. Sterlo himself places Nate in a class of his own.
I saw Sterling, Stuart, Langer, Joey, Thurston, Cronk and Cleary all play their careers. For mine Cleary takes the title. He has had more of an impact on the result of games than anyone else.
More impact because he cannot be touched with a finger nail.. not even pressured or hit late he is good but best ever. I Don't Know?
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@@Chama266 nah that's just my way of seeing it. Cleary is good though
He is a good Club player, but he needs to dominate on a bigger stage.
@@Chama266 well is Luai the greatest 5/8 or YEO the greatest 13 is fisher Harris/Leota greatest forward pairing? they also won 4 in a row. maybe 6-8-10 don't get praised because they don't wear Green & Gold..?
Before Martin scored that try I said to my brother, as in before the play of the ball: go left, go left… then Luai goes right and my first thought was like wtf. After Martin scores I’m to my brother again: that’s unreal, to just switch like that.
Now, having heard the ‘hot’ call, whether Luai heard him or not, regardless, just brilliant instinct and game nous.
They just find a way to win, and every GF they’ve won, they’ve won it differently.
Afternoon grand finals PLEASE
Good job on To'o?. Bloke had 212 run metres in 58 minutes.
With a shattered knee cap
There's still idiots out there thinking it was a try
the fact that video actually shows it was a no try AND STILL idiots can’t accept it, it’s just crazy. Ppl are so delusional.
I was in One World sport Church St Parramatta on my own in the lounge when Joeys Jaw got broken. I got up, turned to the bar and put $125 for the Knights to get the spoon. Joey was in my opinion the most influential player to ever play footy, his kicking game, running game, passing game and defensive effort was always on point and I feel he was better than the multitude of excellent halves he played against. In todays comp, there are no match ups like Joey had. Nathan is a great player, and I’m a life long Panthers fan but you gotta be broken and bounce back to get to the heights of a Johns or Stuart or Thurston in my opinion.
Nailed it mate, that parra 01 team was so damn good and I was scared of nobody but Joey. On his day he didn't need anyone around him ,special.
Great thread lads….. DEFINITELY CONCUR….
Thanks Cooper for taking down photos and sending a video for my mate Lachy at the fan event
Top bloke
The Panthers have drawn more and more island supporters especially with their jerseys acknowledging the island players who represent the club.
No disrespect but Cleary needs to carry a team other than his long-term clique before I could give him the GOAT title but no doubt he really is something pretty special, especially at his age.
Joey was the complete package who would've won more premierships if he was in better sides. Best 7 I've ever seen , no disrespect to Nathan.
Would’ve should’ve could’ve, there were years where joey was playing 9 and couldn’t get picked over Toovey at halfback
@@kieraaanbreeew and kimmorley was often picked over him also
Have a cry reminiscing about the old days 😭😭
@@kieraaanbreeewif you watch those games it’s obvious to see that Joey was playing halfback in attack and hooker in defence. Which is why Toovey would always be in dummy half despite wearing 7 and Joey would hardly be there
@@BH-dskpurely for versatility. Would you rather have only Joey in the squad knowing kimmorley can’t cover any other positions and would miss out entirely? Or would you rather have both players in the squad knowing Joey is versatile enough to cover another position. Common sense really
I listened back to that yarn about how gagai likes his ball about 3 or 4 times
Love that insight another great show fellas 👏
Nathan Clearly is GOAT
Mana is more like power and prestige/influence or spirit a person carries because of their character, spirit and status. JFH although not a captain still carries a lot of mana which is why he must go back to NZ to fill that spot in his family since his grandfather has passed. He knows who he is and his role in the wider scheme
Afternoon Grand Final for sure
Heads up, To’o ran for 213metres in 57 minutes.. they sure took care of him 😂
Clearly is the GOAT. 5 straight grand finals and 4 wins. Credit where credit is due
Not even close to Cam Smith....maybe one day....Cleary has never dominated origin
Don't forget how good ''Jonathan Thurston'' was in a struggling team.. he won 4 Dally M, 3 Golden Boot Awards with other immortals to be in the NRL, also 9 or 10 Origin Series, CowBoys Maiden Premiership.. Got Smashed Almost Every Game, Late Shots got up still played busted. No Disrespect Nathan but Growing Up Basically In The NRL Helps a LOT.. 'THURSTON' came from nothing... everyone got their opinion.. isn't individual awards make ya stand out from the rest? or winning premierships with a once in a generation TEAM.. also played 36 state of origin games in a row idk if that will ever be broken.. Thurston is Number 1 for me the best 7..
Jt is the best ever right now but its easy to get dally m's as a good player in a shit team
@@mach10mitch4 that's my point well how come Cleary gets all the praise then in a good TEAM? is it because he's an ''Aussie''.
Hard to argue
@DavidBulsey no wonder why you brought JT up 😀 playing that card aye 🤦♂️got you 😂
@@esetu9602 nah my favourite player is BILLY SLATER. the goat is ''Cameron smith''. Thurston is the best halfback
Watching Joey manipulating the game at Origin like a chessmaster, he was like an alien among humans. Nathan has that potential but not quite there yet imo
Good chat boys. Up the Storms!
Great show gentleman excellent 🎉
Thanks boys just bought 10 Husqvarna robotic lawnmowers.
Great to hear
YEP NATHAN BEST EVER💪
I’m not having Nathan be the best ever until he wins a dally m and has an outstanding origin series where he puts the blues on his back
Origin agree but we have seen the last few years Dally M is a broken system.
Daly M is like the most consistent award. Cleary is the real MVP and has been for ages. He has missed heaps of football due to injury, but the contributions he makes when fit are worth more than any Daly M.
@@AzzaT90 been in the league since he was 18 definitely needs to win one to be the best of all time
Dally m is a flawed system mate get with the times
@@kieraaanbreeew as a cowboys fans that was the knock on Thurston for years was he didn’t have enough Dally Ms and Clive Churchills as Joey, being the best of all time is individual achievements
Different eras….different team players….but pure talent in all arenas SOO, Kangaroos in all tests etc…Joey. The Penrith players make Cleary look good.
Lockyer the 🐐
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Cleary needs to win 10
Wally Lewis, sterlo, Kenny , daley, fittler, Andrew johns, the list goes on, lay off the drug's boys
and the very best Cam Smith
IMO Cleary is the best of his era. We should not try to “pick a winner”. Sterlo, Alfy, Ricky, Johns, Cronk, Thurston….. all amazing players in their era’s…… ALL equally the best…..
Cam Smith the greatest player ever....dominated oriign
You both sound like experts 😂
Everyone talks about the tigers coming through. They won the wooden spoon in all grades this year. The opposite to what Penrith did when we won in all grades
He's good, great even. Not in the same class as Smith and Joey. Who I rate as 1 and 2. Hasn't done enough in rep footy to challenge the likes of Thurston, Fittler, Locky etc.
He's also a real big fish at the moment. A lot of the goats people bring up played in the same eras. Nathan stands out because everyone else is kind of on the same level. Whereas in times past, you'd have a number of great players spread across the comp. You just dont have that at the moment.
I'll say not now, but he could end up there. He's still got plenty of footy in him.
Smith and Joey the best I've seen...Clearly may be the 3rd best no. 7
@@jaredbrady5566 he already there every body gonna find arguments like he hasn’t performed at rep level stop the mans got 3 origin series, World Cup and won 4grand finals in a row all by the age of 26 he got a seat at the table with the greats of the game and when it all said n done i think he’ll be the undisputed best ever
Bottom line cleary has led his side to 5 gfs in a row,winning 4 straight,peter sterling said its near impossible to 3peat in the salary cap era penrith have won 4 in a row getting to 5for another team to better that they'd need to get to 6 in a row winning 5 I think it's safe to say that's impossible considering every year they've won they lost 3 or more players and like everyone else had to replace them ,but they just keep moving on ,yes wayne Bennett has won more gfs but he's never won 4 in a row on the trot that puts him behind cleary,u hear most nrl guys even 2in a row is mentally draining how about 4 enough said I remember the storm getting pumped 40 nil by manly without smith they were lost ,cronk and later couldn't bring them home thats the difference the clearys make
One day there may be a ref who will penalize Penrth's offside play..its a joke
I think the real test is to put him in a team around new players. If he’s still playing the same then yeah I’d say goat status
GF day should be just NYC afternoon and NRL twilight on GF day. NRLW GF and state championships should be played on separate days on suburban grounds, IMO.
I love the panthers to the end off time but to say he is the best is going to fare because the game as changed so much over the years different rules no video reff.
Andrew johns as good as he was couldnt take new castle to 5 in a row and win 4 itll never be done again in our lifetime that settles it clearys the goat hands down not even close 😊
that’s because his team wasn’t as good as this penrith team look at all the star players they have the whole team is stacked top to bottom nathan cleary hasn’t even won a dally m that’s how well rounded the team is it’s not just him
when joey was out newcastle got spanked, when cleary is out penrith finish second
Look at the 23 gf biggest margin in gf history, under 20 mins to go ,penrith r getting pumped cleary still believed they could win doesn't matter how stacked your roster is mentally only a true champion could see a positive in attempting a comeback ,he sets up leotas try,kicks a 40twenty then scores the winner even jt couldn't and he ain't bad either enough said
The call hot reminds me of Clinton toopi story from francis meli
cleary isnt the best ever yet, but he will be at hes best when hes about 30-31 and then hes ball playing will probably jsut get better
If Cleary and Moses are both healthy come origin time , who will be the NSW No. 7?
I would go moses 7 cleary 6. It probably doesn't matter which way around you do it but moses 7 for me out of respect for what he did this year in Origin
Wouldn’t hurt having both of them either Cleary or Moses can play 5/8 if they need to because of their running game
Ivan
One of reason he hasn't dominated origin I think is all the talk about him being the best when he's clearly not performed at origin ,just ease up on the hype let him prove himself at origin go from there , about 10 other players I can think of have dominated club and origin and he hasn't so let him prove it first ,I'm sure he can but until then it's just speculation
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Nah,, Cleary is definitely in the group of elite half's,,, but Thurston and Cooper and John's are the top notch....
Panthers have only been able to win 4 in a row because the team is absolutely majestic... Not Cleary individually...
day or afternoon grand final would be way better for the players. not having to wait all day full of nerves, they would be more lethargic playing at 730
Come on boys keep the hype down ,this whole he's best ever talks needs to happen after he retires,for one he has never dominated origin ,to be at the table you have to dominate origin because it's the pinnacle group of the game ,Cameron Smith is by far the best of modern era because he's won the comps and dominated origin over long periods,Cleary needs decade of dominating origin before being even given a chair at the table .give it 10 years and we'll judge him then .
Smith dominated Origin the highest lever of RL...Clearly has not dominated Origin at all
@@mm2222-u3w yet smith couldn’t win 4 grand finals in a row 😂 easy to win when you got Inglis, slater , Thurston and Cronk that team was stacked with future immortals Cleary absolutely deserve a seat and I bet if you were to ask cam smith and all those greats they might say he the best ever
And he’s only 26
Tough times at the Melbourne storm supporters podcast
Yes
Ues. Hes certainly the best Natham
Sonny Bill was never a center Coops, he always played as a backrower. Played a game or 2 in his first season in the number 3 jersey as a center but that's it
Why did cooper stop playing?
Lack of talent. Same reason he’s celibate
Matty please lobby for afternoon, my kids all watched AFL GF in full but NRL? Bed.
TBH the team was Good. Cleary was part of that good. Panthers win games without cleary and luai Too. Its a 13 men game and without the team I dont see Nathan standing Out. I mean No disrespect to Nathan though hes a player yet when hes got a whole lot of fully armed forward pack and stunning back line. Regardless hes still a good player but Not a GOAT to be honest. I dont see his Struggles to carry the team, The team carries him along..🙂🙏🇵🇬
The joke is brisbane thinking they won with 18 to go ,never sleep on cleary😂
yeah right
Theres only one king and thats wally Lewis
Come on Matty. Ask the question after he dominates at rep level for several years.
since when does dominating at Rep level for several years become the measuring stick for him and not everyone else. JT, Cronk, Smith, GI and even Locky played in 1 rep side for crying out loud ahahahaha Joey only dominated 1 series at origin and he was in his early 30s by then.
I think Critter performed well better than Hughes. Unfair advantage for those who arent in the Origin series. Those games should count toward Dally M's. Don't like the bulldogs but you canr deny the impact he had.
bruh he didn’t even finish top 10 hughes deserved the dally m for sure
Critter is a grub
Lewis is the best, period, he ate everyone for breakfast,
Wally admitted Kenny was a better no. 6
Jack howarth is a good player, he is no sonny bill Williams
NRL have a smaller budget than AFL and the entertainment always looks better. Why? because they are smart doing it when it's dark and in a prime time tv slot.
Nathan has had to deal with roster changes every year,his father recruited people others had lost faith in ,and amidst all this as the greatest father son pairing ever they pushed to 5 gfs and won 4 straight no coach has ever done it under the salary cap,stop making excuses for joey he couldn't put new castle on his back if he could new castle would have 4 straight gfs thats the truth and it does hurt😂
YEP
Well of course, with the progression of the game meaning fitness the ever changing goal posts of the game. Better ever until 10-20 years from now until the next super star to filter through. This is a stupid statement, how do you compare through the ages???
Panthers only at club level?
Cleary needs to win a couple of Origins
How many? He has 3 already.
Real dickhead broncos supporter no doubt.
He’s won 3 😂
@@jaromeasdale7157well, he needs 11 total to catch JT, so he had better get on his bike.
@jaredbrady5566 JT played with immortals, you wanting Cleary to accomplish the same with less is ridiculously bias.
Andrew John not the best halfback, Cleary has overtaken most of the best halfbacks, but not sterlo who I rate the best.
Lmao what a pathetic arguemt. Guy has rep players everywhere. Cant get hit becuase of the rules. Seriously how do past players even have this as a conversation
No
Maybe I’m getting old I’m 30 but watching with people few years younger and my age everyone hated kid laroi
Based on his performances in Origin and limited opportunities in green and gold, he's not even in the conversation.
2015 Oates scored first and lost to Cowboys😂 so since 2015
Nah, he’s looking like the most successful. But take langer out of Brisbane and they lose. Take John’s out of Newcastle and they lose, take Sterling out the eels and they lose take Stuart out of the raiders and they lose. Take Cleary out of the panthers and they march on unimpeded. Also there isn’t a single halfback or 5/8 in the game today that holds a candle to their 90s early 2000s counterparts. The props, the back rowers the wingers and fullbacks are all better today than back then. But halves have devolved into the most redundant positions. They all play 1 side of the field. Their big move is a second man play. They cross kick to the corner. There really isn’t any individuality or evolution in these positions. Cleary is the greatest of a terrible era. No doubt about it. But he’s not battling champions. The fact that it not for super league the 1995 World Cup team could have had any of 3 guys that Cleary is compared to says it all. The same goes to 5/8. I’m sorry but Cleary ain’t on the other guys levels and the game is to blame for that.
For me the best in my lifetime is langer. Then Sterling, then Johns then Thurston and finally Stuart. With jones and Cronk then Cleary then Johnson
To be fair Langer went to England and the broncos won the comp without him, JT was injured in 2017 and the cowboys made the grand final without him, take Joey out of the knights and they run around like headless chooks
@@Zmart30yes teams will have success after a guy leaves. I’m not saying Brisbane just never did anything without Alfie. But certainly while he was playing in 88-99,02 the games he missed Brisbane lost, even with Renouf, sailor, Lockyer, Tallis, webcke, Lazarus and Walters. It was the same with Newcastle. That 97-03 knights era was stacked but when Andrew was out they got a wooden spoon. Famously Stuart led Canberra to a minor premiership in 93, broke his ankle and a side with Mullins, belcher, meninga, Daley, walters, wiki lost 3 games in a row and that was it. Cleary gets injured and misses half the season and the panthers just keep on going. Now is he the best halfback in the world right now? Yep it’s not even close. But as I say in 1995 the Australian halfback could have been any of Johns, langer and Stuart. With Alexander and Toovey possible squad members. Daley, walters, Fittler, Lyons, Johns and terry lam were all 5/8 options. That sort of depth just doesn’t exist at all in the modern game. Where as the fullback in 1995 could have been Mullins, ettingshausen or brasher. This year if all are healthy Tedesco, Walsh, Edward’s, ponga are all legitimate starters.
Put Moses in that Penrith team and the win the same
Cleary could one day surpass the others. But will never surpass FULTON and BEETSON.
Cleary is the best ever and Kevin Walters was sacked by the Broncos because he has no eyebrows 😮
The nrl is hard to watch.... too many penalties that players can manipulate. Nrl is too busy catering to the small man instead of the gladiators that built the game. I don't care about player safety.... want to be safe, dont play footy!
Super league has less penalties, less milking of penalties, slower ruck speed as a result the players are bigger and when they give a try they don’t then take it away, they send it to video ref and he talks through his thought process no commentators speculating. Far better to watch only think missing is good commentators
@brzd86 nrls going down the same path as union to many bullshit penalties cards over nothing. It went sideways when they got rid of the shoulder charge. Too political as well. This game is not for everyone.
Matty Johns bits around too much. I don't like his show. Boring!!
What has Nathan done more than Stirling and Mortimer, they won 4 premierships each and lost one each,let alone there origin and test rep games,I think everyone is getting a little bit excited 😊I forgot, they used to get there heads taken off 5 times a game as well😅
getting your head taken off 5 times a game means what ? that you play in a more reckless era with fewer parameters and less need for discipline and skill. Todays game is micro managed to the finest point. You can’t slip up on or off the field in today’s game. Sterlo himself places Nate in a class of his own.
and Joey
Yes