So you might be wondering why it took so long for this second video. (Or really just why I haven't uploaded frequently lately in general.) I'm going to be blunt: I've been burnt out for a while. At first I thought taking a break might help, but it didn't. I then realized the issue was that I refuse to make my videos goofy. I've been scared for a while to put in fun gags and the like because I've been scared people would say I was "padding for extra watch time," and thus I've made my videos pure info. That's changing from the next video onward. It's my channel, and if I wanna put some fun goofy stuff in my videos, then I should be able to. I'm sorry about all this. Hopefully the next video is still enjoyable for everyone despite the tone change to come. -Duo
I do like your video a lot DouReview, but there actually a question about Deathnote that I'd personally love a theory on: which is how is Light truly supposed to make this "perfect world" of his using the Deathnote? Sure, Light murders criminals and even some suspects, among other people who aren't guilty of a crime, but I have to assume, (note: Deathnote doesn't say/show if Light does this or not), that he leaves the family members of those criminals alone to live. Now, doesn't that mean that a percentage of those family members of criminals could and/or end up eventually committing other crimes? I'm not saying this purely due to nature, (through that may be part of the issue here - genetics do effect people's brains sometimes and could actually cause mental illness that creates the potential for certain criminal activity in certain families), but the fact, that the criminal was also in their life, (possibly as a parent or other important figure within the family), and may have taught them how to commit some crimes and/or allowed this person's morals to be able to justify crimes. Thus, I'd have to assume a certain percentage of people related to criminals, (like dad, mom, daughter, son, grandson, granddaughter), may end up committing crimes. My mom actually taught me how to negotiate at prices at garage sales, so why wouldn't criminal teach his child how to steal or break into homes, if it would be beneficial for the entire family? So, with alone in consideration, (Note: I'd also love to know how he'd he's Kira without murdering an innocent person for no reason other then to prove that so he can be God of the New World and be recognized for that), so I think that's a question that should be given a theory-related answer.
I personally don't think the point is to decide who you side with. I think the point is to look beyond the simplistic view of "one is right, the other is wrong" and realize this show is illustrating that in this world, there may be no true justice at all. Humanity is far from perfect, and thus there is no true justice. To a certain extent, it also brings whome the philosophy of "history is written by the winners" or "he who loses is evil". At the end of it all Light lost, and because of that, eventually history will be rewritten with Kira as the one who was wrong, regardless of the fact that L was never 100% in the right. That's just the way the world is.
SkaterLauro If only you could understand... How amusing. Especially when extinction proves my point. I am speaking the truth. If Earth dies, what does it mean for us? All will return to dust. Life's greatest illusion. But I guess people cannot accept nor acknowledge it. How pathetic. Like Death I suppose. Then again, you might think it is nonsense... Everyone does until they die. Even the Gods will die one day. A bit naive to counter my point.
6:15 "that posed a slight threat to him" Dude, what are you smoking? lol If naomi got to the headquarters, it would be over for Light cause the bus story
Naomi Misora was an eye-opener for me. I wasn't on board with killing of the FBI-members, but could kind of understand Light's motive for that. Until that moment, I could justify his actions to a degree. Naomi's death made me pull my hands off Light altogether. Now that he was straight-up murdering the innocent people he swore he would protect with his justice - without any hint of regret or remorse, I knew I was looking at a sociopath. I'm not saying L was a saint, but I was rooting for him between the both of them.
Rebecca Scholtes ??? If you wanna be the best artist, you have to paint till you collapse. Not kill the other artists. But if let's say your parents or friends are against you painting, you would have to disregard them
SkaterLauro It was an example using your statement to justify killing people because of a dream you have. Sacrifices are about day to day things, not literal lives.
Knight Warrior I reckon we will although him being included seems odd to me would the Death note even work on borderline and literal gods? Would he even survive long enough to use the Death note?
Considering how fast that dude can write I'd say yes. Also Jump Force is that anime mashup fighting game with combat that looks a bit like Dragon ball Xenoverse right?
Light explicitly states that he doesn't like other people's version of Kira because they kill without considering self defense and so on. He almost definitely killed some innocent people accused of crimes, but that isn't his intention. I still don't agree with his world view, but he's not indiscriminate in who he chooses to "judge."
The problem is that after L's death he killed a lot of innocent and wanted ti kill more innocent (kira's task force and SPK members) in the first part of the show he "only" killed 12 FBI members and Naomi Misori and we can still accept it ( but it is already a lot of innocent)
@@manuelbonelli3690 In his mind, anyone trying to stop Kira is opposed to justice. I wasn't referring to those kinds of characters in my statement. Of course, those are many more innocent people, but the point was about the criminals he judged. Conviction wasn't the same as rotten and deserving death to him.
@@cryingqclouds416 It's still not indiscriminate and that was a statement he made much later. Sure, he deemed only those who lived how he thought they should as worthy of life, but he still deemed some people who killed as worthy because they killed unworthy people.
@@diamondinmyeye6160 bro that literally makes no difference- as kira, he started killing petty criminals, anyone who was in his way and if he had won, he would've killed lazy people. that is wrong, and there is no way to excuse that.
The only one who had a clear vision of justice in death note was Matsuda!! His thought was to create a balance between Kira's method and the SPK's method!
I've been waiting so long for this video! Note: My favorite part about the last episode was that near pretty much never spoke a word about justice, but he said more about how he won.
He sort of did in the manga,after light's speech near say something like this"You believe in what you think is rightous,everyone does,even if there was a god and I had His teachings before me I would examine then to see if they are just"
You are claiming that Light killed criminals without considering motives or circumstances, but it is mentioned that he disapproves of killing criminals who killed without malice
Jonathan Surrey UNLESS, it comes to protecting his identity and HIS crimes. Then, he will kill whoever he feels may be a threat to him. (criminal or not) He wasn't even above manipulating or using his own family...that doesn't seem like justice, well at least not to me. But I'm aware that, that varies from person to person.
Even if he disapproved of that kind of killing he still did it. Even if light only killed convicted criminal who had no good reasons to commit their crime, Japan conviction rate is over 99%, so a large portion of convicted criminals in Japan are just innocent suffering from a highly biased and corrupted system. Plus that's the best case scenario, if he never killed any known innocent which he did. He also killed way to much criminal to know their motives anyway. We even see him killing any criminal announced on TV. All that without doing any background check, so he can't possibly know who committed crime with malice. But even if he somehow knew the reasons why every criminal committed every crime they committed and the Japanese justice system never made any mistake and he never killed any innocent to protect himself, he would still kill based on his own morale which is not a perfect indicator of justice at all.
The funny thing is that the writers never created death note with the intention of sparking debates on justice, philosophy or who was in the wrong. They literally just wanted to create an entertaining story lol
I think you've made a slight mistake regarding Light's ideology. He is perfectly willing to aknowledge that some of the people he kills didn't fully deserve to die. His code states he will first go after major criminals and then work his way down to minor and even petty criminals and so on... His idea of a just world is a world where people do not commit crime, where they don't make each other suffer, even if it's because they are too afraid to do anything. Light believes that, regardless of the method, the very creation of this fear in people's hearts is enough. I would also like to point out that Light does not have the luxury of varied methods of punishment. He can't judge cases with nuance because it wouldn't as effective, but more importantly because his method of judgement is the Death Note. He does not have another option unless he calls it quits on the whole Kira thing.
If Light didn't have the Death Note, he'd definitely think Kira is wrong. But it's no problem when _he_ has the power. He was cool when I was watching the series for the first time, but in retrospect, the guy's just an edgy teenage hypocrite, he really isn't as much of a "super genius" as he's made out to be.
Well something about the death note makes people wanna use it; as light says. Not to mention it's supernatural so I'd think it would affect his personality making him a psychopath or hypocrite. Either way, his genius is undeniable if you've followed so far.
1 Light was indeed a genius I mean look at all the times he survived we would have been caught in weeks (then there was the drawer door potato chips penbers death misoras death losing memory part killing L killing M killing Matt if only Mikami didn't fuck up he would have won at the last too) 2 sometimes we do need a psychopath to reduce crimes by 70% and stop all wars
Did you forget light occasionally let people off if they have excusable circumstances or were genuinely sorry for what they had done ? He talks about this when Misa starts killing
Paul Brown but considering the amount of people he and his followers killed, they couldn't have give the proper care and time needed to examine each criminal cases if at all, including the motivation behind the crime and all that. Even then, it still would be the warped up judgement of one person (with a severe case of black and white moral insanity) that, despite his belief, isn't a god able to always judge fairly the action of another human being. What you said may be true of Kira in his earliest days but not after.
Nah, they are both correct, Justice is who ever wins at the end. Whoever is the last man standing.. will have their form of justice stand. What is the point of your ideals, if you are dead and can't enforce them.
The Unknown Otaku But L and Light's are bad. Light kills without understanding the nature or scope of the situation and L basically does what he does. Neither of them are good as far as I know their both evil. This is not like CIA stuff where they have to stop a terrorist. It's completely different we're talking about L and Light brutality disobeying laws and harming tons of innocent people in the process for their self interest.
They are both justice and not justice at the same time. Who ever wins in the end, their sense of justice is what is the standard. You can say Killing people is unjust, but if the people in power are saying it is just, you wrong, because the people in power decide what is just. Everyone has their own ideal of what justice is.
The Unknown Otaku But there is moral in justice however. And I don't care what L and Light think, what they did is not justice it's hypocrisy, wrong, and a crime against humanity. In the real world both of them would be place into the death sentence for their crimes against humanity.
The Unknown Otaku I don't care they still stand. So your basically saying L and Light can kill basically anyone which they perceive guilty without understanding the nature of the crime the person is being charged with or have any evidence of the crime happening or if it's self defense. That's basically a "Witch hunt" and you'll telling me they can kill even completely innocent people of all ages should they know something about them even a tiny detail eh? Not only that they clearly become drunk with their power using it whenever they please and kill innocents whenever they want. How about stop trying to give Light and L a excuse and give a reasonable answer. They are both guilty case closed.
Actually in one of the scenes Light said that Kira's ideology was similar to his own in that he considers the circumstances of the prisoners before deciding if he should kill them
When light died I can’t explain how happy and how right it was.I was on lights side all the way up to the 4th episode after he killed innocent people I couldn’t wait for him to be taken down
xXPrincessXx I won’t lord, I do t like the whole Near and mello characters. I didn’t want either to win, I wanted both of them to die. Justice is defined by the winner, but they were evenly matched.
AgustD1 yeah I can definitely understand somebody yeah I can definitely understand somebody being like however I was not on Light Side I was not on L side they both will break the law in the name of the law garbage commit Injustice in the name of Justice Chief Yagami and matsuda where right you have to catch him the right way you have to prove that your way is better that we are better than you
I knew Light was bananas early on. To me - it came when he revealed his identity in Raye's last moments. He didn't need to do that - it was pure ego. Killing Lind L Taylor was more of reaction to insecurity. Running Raye's fate in his face is pure evil. L himself isn't much better. Instead of just immediately chucking Light in a cell & waiting it out - he plays this elaborate game & tries to prove he's smarter. I think in L's final episode he realised just how careless he's really been. This isn't a game anymore, Light is a complete psycho who is going to destroy everything in his path. He's capable of doing it in ways L himself is.
I was binge watching this show called Revenge the other day. The female protagonist is very similar to Light in that she's mainly going after people that caused her harm as a kid. She also talks about how if anyone gets in her way, she'll destroy them too. However, she never really crosses that line the way Light does.
I think L is the one who is right here, and Light is wrong. Here is my reason - L was doing what he was doing not because of his ideology, or because he thought that was "justice", but because that was his job! He was a detective, and it's a detective's job to solve the case and catch the killer regardless of whether the killer was right or wrong. It's not the job of the detective to determine if the killer was right. That's the job of the judge. So L was not doing anything wrong at all by trying to capture Kira. Because that was his job, his livelihood. Light on the other hand was driven purely by ideology. It was not his job to give death penalty to criminals - that's the job of the judiciary. As a policeman/detective, his job was to capture criminals and produce them before the judiciary, not give death penalty to them. People are made magistrates after some training and experience, and light was not experienced enough or qualified enough to become "justice". This is why I think light was wrong and L was right.
Grave Mind I agree, but there are contradictions... What right does the judge have to kill humanity for the sake of order. Where sometimes, the innocent are killed and the guilty run free. Between L and Light, I will agree. In the grand scheme of reality, "Justice" is meaningless because humanity will always contradict it.
Grave Mind with your theory in mind, I believe Watari is pretty scary too, not evil Light took that throne from day 1. L might be a victim of circumstance. He was created/molded in the orphanage and trained to be dependent on Watari. I won’t go into too much detail but I noticed his past isn’t brought up that much but a good example of what he’s capable of is the continued torture of Misa Amane. L might’ve given the order but Watari physically handled the gruesome parts like he’d done it before like maybe at the orphanage or with other criminals. Just a thought please don’t hate on me.
@@CoolidgeGaming he never acted acordding to this claim, It really seems like this just happend to have a cool scene of the two of them saiyng the same thing, L and by extension Near and Mello wanted to capture Kira just because he was a criminal breaking the law, nothing more nothing less
“They are birth right and wrong” “Mortality and justice don’t have a clear line” That sums up this series and our actions in real life I respect you for realizing that
Very interesting video. I have put quite a bit of thought in this as well and it's kinda funny thinking back on it when I thought L was in the right and then I realized he was breaking the law too lol
Yeah, I think I ended up being closer to Team L - at least, L would allow a criminal to go to trial rather then potential murder someone who didn't even commit a crime.
Light may check that, but there's still the issue of innocent people accused of a crime they didn't commit and a secondary issue that I will point out too. As my mother has said and I'd argue in this, "The police are there to solve the crime, but not necessarily to solve it correctly." Basically put, cops go with the evidence but sometimes mess up their jobs. They can miss evidence, file things incorrectly, and/or look at something at the scene that seems like evidence that points towards potential suspect and find out later the suspect didn't do it. There's actually a great example of this in Illinois - there was a father that jailed for murdering his 6-year-old daughter because his fingerprints of a house window in his own home, and an over-looked (for 15 years) an important pair of sneakers. The cops didn't test the sneakers for 15 years and when they did, they found DNA of the actual killer who happened to be a previously convicted child-killer. Sure, they let the father out of jail after those 15 years, but his life is ruined and in Deathnote world - Kira would have killed him because he didn't say he was sorry but instead said he wasn't the murderer, which was actually true. Secondly, some people wouldn't feel bad if we killed someone, and that completely would be reasonable in some cases. This can be for a variety of reasons - what if a woman was being abused regularly by her husband and no one was helping her, well, some women would kill him to defend themselves while he's asleep; it might be because of shock (not everyone wouldn't have that after killing someone either); what if a child who was being abused killed their parents to stop the abuse, the kid probably wouldn't regret that; and that's not counting the emotional aspect of killing someone. And that wouldn't even count as accident and/or self-defense for certain countries and/or juries. The USA didn't count the case of women being abused regularly by their husband in that sort of previously mentioned situation as self-defense and/or a reason it may be homicide instead of 1st degree murder until around 1960s-1970s. I'm sure some countries don't count that as a factor to this day.
Tbf I dont understand why people keep saying that light killing naomi was like a "turning point". Him killing the agents was kinda the same, even him killing Lind L Taylor (given that he thought it was L). She wasn't his "first innocent victim".
Quite an amazing video, as usual! I gotta say that the whole ambiguity (probably spelt that wrong, sorry :' ) ) is one of the most interesting aspect of the serie and unlike a lot of other series, never does it really tries to tell you one if better than the other which leaves a lot of space to debate and kind of pushes you to reconsider your opinion, whichever side you are on. It's this kind of series that is the most amazing in my opinion since, in a way, it really does hold the power to change your perception of reality, if that makes sense lol
Ayeeeeeee i never dropped another video so far XD gonna be a great video I’m sure Edit: i was right, great video Duo I think true justice could be a combination of both Light’s and L’s versions of it
TheZombiesReanimated But he made it worse. He most likely killed innocent civilians for no reason and don't forget he murdered investigaters only doing their jobs people who had families and Light did it for his self preservation and his pride and arrogance. Light and L in my book are both guilty and should be given the death sentence.
As a side note, it's mentioned in the series that at least before the timeskip after L's death that Light as Kira never killed people who honestly regretted their crimes and that he usually investigated the evidence so that he could check if they were likely enough to be guilty to consider killing.
One personal difference between L and Light thst puts me in L's camp is that L admits he sometimes does wrong to win the case, that he can be a hypocrite, and he's not under the illusion he's a wholly good person. When L said "I and Justice."
I recall that when one of the other Death Note users (I'm unsure if it was Misa or the Yotsuba Group but I think it was Misa) first appeared it was noted that the pattern of killing was off and the individuals that committed crimes due to unfortunate circumstances were killed. To me this implies that Light did pay enough attention to the crimes context to make judgement calls on who does and doesn't die, at least at first.
I still think killing people is never the solution, and even if a person committed really big crimes, that person shouldn’t be killed. I think Light kills people mainly aiming to become a god, not mainly aiming to create justice.
Lights theory of justice is retributive justice and Ls is as merit based version of justice and similar to how the debate between Rawls and Nozick” a modern version of this epic enlightening abstract ideology
This isn't a bad video, but it just surprises me that you (and maybe many fans) expected there to be a "correct" and objective form of justice and of evil at all. Evil and justice are both subjective. Plus, each person's mind, emotions, and actions are filled with things that we could call evil and things we could call just. Everyone has flaws in their values and/or takes actions that contradict their values (including me). That's just common sense to me. I never thought Death Note was about either side being completely "just" nor completely "evil." It's only natural that you can find things you disgree with in both sides, L and Kira.
3:53 in episode 21 Light says "He's punishing people who never intended to kill, those who sincerely regretted their crimes or people with excusable circumstances. The orginal Kira would never have punished those kinds of people" Also Naomi Misora was a pretty big threat, she was certain that Kira could kill besides with a heart attack and if she was able to tell L her theory then it would be extremely likely Light would of lost quickly.
Well in their terms... "justice" is the person that "wins", is not whether or not the outcome is fair or not... Rather simply the outcome regardless of how it got there. The way I see it, Kira is Justice after L dies and then Kira's Justice ends after Near takes down Light. Well you might say there are people out there still rooting for Kira. But I attribute "Justice" to the person per se. As opposed to "group mentality". That's just the way I see it. Feel free to respond.
Light does take in consideration the circumstance of the crime. Remeber when Light was mad at Misa for killing murderers who killed for a Good reason or accidental.
Hi Dude, so I have not seen this discussed on UA-cam before so it might be worth a try to talk about, but in the anime Death note before the events that are taking place there was something called the Los Angeles BB murder case but they never go in depth on what happened, I would appreciate it if you researched it and explain it in greater detail then the anime, thank you so much keep on being spooky and remember: The perfect world is a peaceful world. (:
Light mentions during the period without his memory how the yotsuba kira kills without looking at circumstances. It seemed to suggest he DID look at that sorta thing
Yeah. Both have their faults when it comes to their sense of justice, but I have to side with L. What Light did do the FBI agents wasn't right. Whether you mean Ray, his fiance, or the other twelve. That isn't to say I considered him potentially insane in the first season of course. Second season Light though? That's a strong maybe. Light did some things that I can understand and maybe even agree with, but . . . it was never his place to lay such permanent judgement on others.
Well, what about criminals that do something like steal to feed their families? That may be illegal, but it's better then starving to death or letting your family starve to death. Some people who were put in the Jewish ghettos of World War 2 before being put in a Nazi-run Construction Camp to ensure their family's survival. And in some areas, people probably still do that because they can't afford to feed their families otherwise. That also makes me ask, what about people who are mentally ill and commit a crime due to that? The only legal definition of insanity in the USA court system is lacking - basically, you either must not be able the difference between right and wrong while committing a crime, or not must be insane enough to not know the difference between right and wrong. Yet, in USA, we'd still had a murderer like Andrea Yates, (who suffered from post-postpartum psychosis and drowned all of her kids starting from the youngest to the oldest because of religious delusions relating to that specific psychosis), still able to be found mentally sane and guilty of murder. Delusions would effect your ability to tell the difference between right and wrong because of how delusions work - so how did she get as declared as sane from a legal perspective? Honestly, I have no clue how. I'd also point at Richard Chase as a secondary example, (he was a schizophrenia with extreme delusions that caused to murder an entire family to drink their blood - yes, he had been institutionalized multiple times before that for his schizophrenia), of the USA's legal system not recognizing mental illness as actually being insanity from a legal perspective. He was sent to prison after his trial instead of having life stuck in an asylum. I'd understand killing some criminals because they were monsters that knew exactly what they were doing, (like BTK, H. H. Holmes, and Ted Bundy), and what they were doing was truly terrible. That seems fair enough.
S- CC like I said most not all if they were stealing to help someone they would be given help to find a job while the mental insane part would follow what I said if they can't be rehabilitated they will be put down
At the very least, I'd say for the point of mental illness, what might be a better thing to do is use them to improve the treatment for other people that suffer mental illness long-term. A lot more then just criminals have mental illness, (like schizophrenia as an example - since that's actually pretty common), so why kill off those criminals if we can use them to see if treatments, (like new medications and/or therapy), will work or not? Animal testing (medically speaking) doesn't always translate to humans well - why not use an actual human lab rat or two to improve testing?
In my opinion the show would've had the best ending simply after the 50 day imprisonment when Light kinda became a friend with L and L was nearly suspicious-free, and ofc he just should've given up on the Death note just forget it, live with Misa and investigate-be a colleague with L. Ofcourse this is just my own prefference, I'm saying what I'd like, I would like a happy ending, but the anime's creator has his last word on his own creation.
Some people don't deserve to be allowed rehabilitation. I saw a BBC mini-doc that had a guy who filmed himself raping a toddler get only 15 years. He should at least have got life and there should be prisons specifically for people who commit crimes against children where there is an unspoken agreement that the other inmates can do whatever they like to them so long as they don't kill them. That is unless we had legalised death penalty with provisions for painful methods. People who only get 15 years after proven guilty of child rape are an example that the criminal "justice" system is a joke.
For me the Moral good's definition is one who put Human life above others, like that trolley problem thing, but once you start using people like they're mere tools, that's where the evil starts
Even a serial killer like *Beyond Birthday* had a strong sense of justice, and that's what's crazy. It doesn't matter what actions someone takes that decides justice, but it what they want the outcome to be.
In my opinion the real problem with Light was his god complex. Light was willing to sacrifice everyone for his ideas but not himself in contrast to Lelouch from code geass. In the last chapter of the manga it was said that Kira/Light actions lowered crime rates in the world by 70% it might be just a cold calculation but in the end Light did more good than evil, of course that doesn't mean that Light was good, its just a matter of interpretation, also its forcing you to think about: how much can you sacrifice for your ideas (may it be world peace etc.)
Lelouch is different in that he will change his plans to protect the people he cares about. Light won't do that. Light is actually more like Lelouch's older brother Schniezel. Schniezel's the exact same as Light he can come across as a nice guy, but he thinks he is so above everyone that he doesn't really care about anyone.
It would be too obvious if L won in the end I’m satisfied how the anime took it, Near could have had more personality and a more complex way of outwitting Light in the end, Melli was different overall, P.s the end was satisfying.
This is a super old video and I haven’t watched it all yet, but based on the first minute I kinda feel inclined to point out that L says multiple times in the manga that he doesn’t care about justice, and he only takes on cases as a hobby. The anime probably includes that info too.
Random thing to say, but can you do a theory on the disastrous life of Saiki K? I know it’s a bit strange but think about it, why did Saiki gain powers? He could become god if he wanted to, without his limiters he probably could become an immortal being able to do anything he wants, the others also, his brother and his intelligence, Aiura with the power to tell the future, and Toritska with the power to see and talk to ghosts, but there is no villain. It’s just strange to me
I had some psylillosphy class a couple of years back. There we got the ethical question, where we should choose: A group of soldiers have lined 5 men up against a wall, they will shoots them. But you get a choice. You can choose to kill ONE of them yourself, and the rest of them would be set free. Kill one by your own hand, or let five die in the hand of another. What will you chose? Scaled down, you could say Light chose to kill one by his own hand, and L chose to kill all five, just by watching. Either you become the one who kills to safe or you become the one who watch though you could save one. It's A hard choice, it’s not that easy to kill by your own hand. Light was right when he said “Someone has to do it” - because not a lot of people can or will. At the same time, should you kill at all?
Light judges people and he lets some criminals who he thinks is falsely accused and even kills people who he thinks are guilty even if they didn’t go to jail like the cleaner who he killed in front of the agent and L try’s to get a criminal even if he has to do a crime but he does crime he thinks well help him catch the criminal
So you might be wondering why it took so long for this second video. (Or really just why I haven't uploaded frequently lately in general.)
I'm going to be blunt: I've been burnt out for a while. At first I thought taking a break might help, but it didn't. I then realized the issue was that I refuse to make my videos goofy. I've been scared for a while to put in fun gags and the like because I've been scared people would say I was "padding for extra watch time," and thus I've made my videos pure info.
That's changing from the next video onward. It's my channel, and if I wanna put some fun goofy stuff in my videos, then I should be able to. I'm sorry about all this. Hopefully the next video is still enjoyable for everyone despite the tone change to come.
-Duo
DuoReview Do what you want to Duo, I’m sure everyone (or at least the majority of us) will be fine with it
DuoReview I WAS JUST SITTING LIKE L FOR MORE THAN A MINUTE TRYING TO FINISH COLORING THE BACKGROUND FOR MY SETO KAIBA DRAWING THEN I SEE THIS!
Nightcore here yah. Kira is my second fav but in the movie they were pretty dumb. I liked L up until he got extra emotional and went out of character
I do like your video a lot DouReview, but there actually a question about Deathnote that I'd personally love a theory on: which is how is Light truly supposed to make this "perfect world" of his using the Deathnote?
Sure, Light murders criminals and even some suspects, among other people who aren't guilty of a crime, but I have to assume, (note: Deathnote doesn't say/show if Light does this or not), that he leaves the family members of those criminals alone to live. Now, doesn't that mean that a percentage of those family members of criminals could and/or end up eventually committing other crimes?
I'm not saying this purely due to nature, (through that may be part of the issue here - genetics do effect people's brains sometimes and could actually cause mental illness that creates the potential for certain criminal activity in certain families), but the fact, that the criminal was also in their life, (possibly as a parent or other important figure within the family), and may have taught them how to commit some crimes and/or allowed this person's morals to be able to justify crimes. Thus, I'd have to assume a certain percentage of people related to criminals, (like dad, mom, daughter, son, grandson, granddaughter), may end up committing crimes.
My mom actually taught me how to negotiate at prices at garage sales, so why wouldn't criminal teach his child how to steal or break into homes, if it would be beneficial for the entire family?
So, with alone in consideration, (Note: I'd also love to know how he'd he's Kira without murdering an innocent person for no reason other then to prove that so he can be God of the New World and be recognized for that), so I think that's a question that should be given a theory-related answer.
Why is everything you upload related to Death Note?
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Shut up Matsuda!
Matsuda, you idiot
No is Soichiro
I personally don't think the point is to decide who you side with. I think the point is to look beyond the simplistic view of "one is right, the other is wrong" and realize this show is illustrating that in this world, there may be no true justice at all. Humanity is far from perfect, and thus there is no true justice.
To a certain extent, it also brings whome the philosophy of "history is written by the winners" or "he who loses is evil". At the end of it all Light lost, and because of that, eventually history will be rewritten with Kira as the one who was wrong, regardless of the fact that L was never 100% in the right. That's just the way the world is.
Sai Prime agreed
We live, we die, and nothing more. Everything else is but only an illusion.
SkaterLauro
If only you could understand... How amusing. Especially when extinction proves my point. I am speaking the truth. If Earth dies, what does it mean for us? All will return to dust. Life's greatest illusion. But I guess people cannot accept nor acknowledge it. How pathetic. Like Death I suppose. Then again, you might think it is nonsense... Everyone does until they die. Even the Gods will die one day. A bit naive to counter my point.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 oh shit guys we have an edgelord in our premises
@@CoolidgeGaming
I honestly don't know why I wrote this. lol
The only true form of justice is that of Mumen Rider....
"Hold my half empty beer." - Thanos
True
Did he mattered? ? Well he was the only person that thanked saitama
“It’s not about winning or losing, it’s about me taking you on right here right now!”
- Mumen Rider, 2015.
Yess
Naomi wasn't a "slight threat" to Light though, she posed a very real threat practically guaranteeing that Light would be exposed as Kira.
Dude you’re awesome you’re the only person that consistently makes a theory about death note.
6:15
"that posed a slight threat to him"
Dude, what are you smoking? lol
If naomi got to the headquarters, it would be over for Light cause the bus story
Naomi Misora was an eye-opener for me. I wasn't on board with killing of the FBI-members, but could kind of understand Light's motive for that. Until that moment, I could justify his actions to a degree. Naomi's death made me pull my hands off Light altogether. Now that he was straight-up murdering the innocent people he swore he would protect with his justice - without any hint of regret or remorse, I knew I was looking at a sociopath.
I'm not saying L was a saint, but I was rooting for him between the both of them.
Rebecca Scholtes Sacrifices have to be made to achieve one's dream
SkaterLauro ...Yeah, let me just kill all the artists in the world to be number one. Surely everyone would understand that it's my dream.
Rebecca Scholtes ??? If you wanna be the best artist, you have to paint till you collapse. Not kill the other artists. But if let's say your parents or friends are against you painting, you would have to disregard them
SkaterLauro It was an example using your statement to justify killing people because of a dream you have. Sacrifices are about day to day things, not literal lives.
Rebecca Scholtes Imo if the others want to kill you too, it is justified to kill them to avoid being found out.
I wish we could play as Light in Jump Force.
Knight Warrior I reckon we will although him being included seems odd to me would the Death note even work on borderline and literal gods? Would he even survive long enough to use the Death note?
I hope he'll be the main villian
Considering how fast that dude can write I'd say yes. Also Jump Force is that anime mashup fighting game with combat that looks a bit like Dragon ball Xenoverse right?
I've got a video planned on this subject.
Dan Lemongton but u still gotta wait 40 seconds...
#MatsudaIsJustice
Padparadscha fuck matsuda I loved him for the whole series until the last episode when he shot light
Leon Black he had to, he really admired light
Sophie Winters I don't know about you but I don't shoot people I admire even if they betrayed me
Leon Black not just you but he murdered people you knew
Sophie Winters revenge is not an excuse for murder
Light explicitly states that he doesn't like other people's version of Kira because they kill without considering self defense and so on. He almost definitely killed some innocent people accused of crimes, but that isn't his intention. I still don't agree with his world view, but he's not indiscriminate in who he chooses to "judge."
The problem is that after L's death he killed a lot of innocent and wanted ti kill more innocent (kira's task force and SPK members) in the first part of the show he "only" killed 12 FBI members and Naomi Misori and we can still accept it ( but it is already a lot of innocent)
@@manuelbonelli3690 In his mind, anyone trying to stop Kira is opposed to justice. I wasn't referring to those kinds of characters in my statement. Of course, those are many more innocent people, but the point was about the criminals he judged. Conviction wasn't the same as rotten and deserving death to him.
but after he won, he would've started killing all petty criminals and he said he was going to start killing lazy people
@@cryingqclouds416 It's still not indiscriminate and that was a statement he made much later. Sure, he deemed only those who lived how he thought they should as worthy of life, but he still deemed some people who killed as worthy because they killed unworthy people.
@@diamondinmyeye6160 bro that literally makes no difference- as kira, he started killing petty criminals, anyone who was in his way and if he had won, he would've killed lazy people. that is wrong, and there is no way to excuse that.
I am...I am BATMAN
gibberish ed
*X files music*
Imagine Light saying that. lol
Lol 😂
The only one who had a clear vision of justice in death note was Matsuda!! His thought was to create a balance between Kira's method and the SPK's method!
Exactmly, however he lacked an important tool that both Kira and L had: a brain
I've been waiting so long for this video!
Note: My favorite part about the last episode was that near pretty much never spoke a word about justice, but he said more about how he won.
He sort of did in the manga,after light's speech near say something like this"You believe in what you think is rightous,everyone does,even if there was a god and I had His teachings before me I would examine then to see if they are just"
You are claiming that Light killed criminals without considering motives or circumstances, but it is mentioned that he disapproves of killing criminals who killed without malice
Jonathan Surrey UNLESS, it comes to protecting his identity and HIS crimes. Then, he will kill whoever he feels may be a threat to him. (criminal or not) He wasn't even above manipulating or using his own family...that doesn't seem like justice, well at least not to me. But I'm aware that, that varies from person to person.
Even if he disapproved of that kind of killing he still did it. Even if light only killed convicted criminal who had no good reasons to commit their crime, Japan conviction rate is over 99%, so a large portion of convicted criminals in Japan are just innocent suffering from a highly biased and corrupted system. Plus that's the best case scenario, if he never killed any known innocent which he did. He also killed way to much criminal to know their motives anyway. We even see him killing any criminal announced on TV. All that without doing any background check, so he can't possibly know who committed crime with malice. But even if he somehow knew the reasons why every criminal committed every crime they committed and the Japanese justice system never made any mistake and he never killed any innocent to protect himself, he would still kill based on his own morale which is not a perfect indicator of justice at all.
Overlord Laharl agreed.
The funny thing is that the writers never created death note with the intention of sparking debates on justice, philosophy or who was in the wrong. They literally just wanted to create an entertaining story lol
I think you've made a slight mistake regarding Light's ideology. He is perfectly willing to aknowledge that some of the people he kills didn't fully deserve to die. His code states he will first go after major criminals and then work his way down to minor and even petty criminals and so on... His idea of a just world is a world where people do not commit crime, where they don't make each other suffer, even if it's because they are too afraid to do anything. Light believes that, regardless of the method, the very creation of this fear in people's hearts is enough.
I would also like to point out that Light does not have the luxury of varied methods of punishment. He can't judge cases with nuance because it wouldn't as effective, but more importantly because his method of judgement is the Death Note. He does not have another option unless he calls it quits on the whole Kira thing.
If Light didn't have the Death Note, he'd definitely think Kira is wrong. But it's no problem when _he_ has the power.
He was cool when I was watching the series for the first time, but in retrospect, the guy's just an edgy teenage hypocrite, he really isn't as much of a "super genius" as he's made out to be.
Well something about the death note makes people wanna use it; as light says. Not to mention it's supernatural so I'd think it would affect his personality making him a psychopath or hypocrite. Either way, his genius is undeniable if you've followed so far.
YOU AGAIN TRUNKS?!
Well when he loses his memory, (spoilers) which was part of a plan of his, he was against "Kira's" ideals and beliefs.
1 Light was indeed a genius
I mean look at all the times he survived we would have been caught in weeks (then there was the drawer door potato chips penbers death misoras death losing memory part killing L killing M killing Matt if only Mikami didn't fuck up he would have won at the last too)
2 sometimes we do need a psychopath to reduce crimes by 70% and stop all wars
To think this all could've been avoided If he just didn't kill the fake L on fucking TV😂
*I AM JUSTICE*
no
I AM THE GOD OF WAR... In which case is justifiable.
Then *I'm the Reality*
ZDawgZombies I am the night, I am BATMAN!!!!
nO i Am.
Did you forget light occasionally let people off if they have excusable circumstances or were genuinely sorry for what they had done ? He talks about this when Misa starts killing
Paul Brown but considering the amount of people he and his followers killed, they couldn't have give the proper care and time needed to examine each criminal cases if at all, including the motivation behind the crime and all that. Even then, it still would be the warped up judgement of one person (with a severe case of black and white moral insanity) that, despite his belief, isn't a god able to always judge fairly the action of another human being. What you said may be true of Kira in his earliest days but not after.
I don't remember that at all was it in the dub? If so what episode specifically
SCREW MY NAP! I HAVE THIS TO WATCH!!
and you cant nap after watching the video?
Yay! Every time I see a new upload, I put everything aside and watch the entire video! Keep up the amazing topic.
Light and L: I AM JUSTICE!
The TRUE intellectual: I AM VENGEANCE! I AM THE NIGHT! *I AM BATMAN!*
Nah, they are both correct, Justice is who ever wins at the end. Whoever is the last man standing.. will have their form of justice stand. What is the point of your ideals, if you are dead and can't enforce them.
The Unknown Otaku
But L and Light's are bad. Light kills without understanding the nature or scope of the situation and L basically does what he does. Neither of them are good as far as I know their both evil. This is not like CIA stuff where they have to stop a terrorist. It's completely different we're talking about L and Light brutality disobeying laws and harming tons of innocent people in the process for their self interest.
They are both justice and not justice at the same time. Who ever wins in the end, their sense of justice is what is the standard. You can say Killing people is unjust, but if the people in power are saying it is just, you wrong, because the people in power decide what is just. Everyone has their own ideal of what justice is.
The Unknown Otaku
But there is moral in justice however. And I don't care what L and Light think, what they did is not justice it's hypocrisy, wrong, and a crime against humanity. In the real world both of them would be place into the death sentence for their crimes against humanity.
"but there is moral in justice" yeah... morals are also subjective.
The Unknown Otaku
I don't care they still stand. So your basically saying L and Light can kill basically anyone which they perceive guilty without understanding the nature of the crime the person is being charged with or have any evidence of the crime happening or if it's self defense. That's basically a "Witch hunt" and you'll telling me they can kill even completely innocent people of all ages should they know something about them even a tiny detail eh? Not only that they clearly become drunk with their power using it whenever they please and kill innocents whenever they want. How about stop trying to give Light and L a excuse and give a reasonable answer. They are both guilty case closed.
Actually in one of the scenes Light said that Kira's ideology was similar to his own in that he considers the circumstances of the prisoners before deciding if he should kill them
Can't get enough of these theory vids! they are so great :)
When light died I can’t explain how happy and how right it was.I was on lights side all the way up to the 4th episode after he killed innocent people I couldn’t wait for him to be taken down
I would’ve been more satisfied if it was L who killed Light, but since it was because of Near it felt wrong, like it was too easy
AgustD1 I want because in the end they were hypocrites. They killed him in cold blood. Yes he was a killer and in the end so were they.
xXPrincessXx I won’t lord, I do t like the whole Near and mello characters. I didn’t want either to win, I wanted both of them to die. Justice is defined by the winner, but they were evenly matched.
I was on L's side until he died. I didn't like Near so I switched to Kira's side
AgustD1 yeah I can definitely understand somebody yeah I can definitely understand somebody being like however I was not on Light Side I was not on L side they both will break the law in the name of the law garbage commit Injustice in the name of Justice Chief Yagami and matsuda where right you have to catch him the right way you have to prove that your way is better that we are better than you
jus·tice
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noun
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just behavior or treatment.
WHAT IS JUST BEHAVIOR!
Flat Is Justice.
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Never clicked on a video so fast! Love these Death Note theories!! :D
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Dude this is some prefect timing. I've been re-watching Death Note very recently.
I knew Light was bananas early on. To me - it came when he revealed his identity in Raye's last moments. He didn't need to do that - it was pure ego.
Killing Lind L Taylor was more of reaction to insecurity. Running Raye's fate in his face is pure evil.
L himself isn't much better. Instead of just immediately chucking Light in a cell & waiting it out - he plays this elaborate game & tries to prove he's smarter.
I think in L's final episode he realised just how careless he's really been. This isn't a game anymore, Light is a complete psycho who is going to destroy everything in his path. He's capable of doing it in ways L himself is.
I was binge watching this show called Revenge the other day. The female protagonist is very similar to Light in that she's mainly going after people that caused her harm as a kid. She also talks about how if anyone gets in her way, she'll destroy them too. However, she never really crosses that line the way Light does.
I think L is the one who is right here, and Light is wrong. Here is my reason -
L was doing what he was doing not because of his ideology, or because he thought that was "justice", but because that was his job! He was a detective, and it's a detective's job to solve the case and catch the killer regardless of whether the killer was right or wrong. It's not the job of the detective to determine if the killer was right. That's the job of the judge. So L was not doing anything wrong at all by trying to capture Kira. Because that was his job, his livelihood.
Light on the other hand was driven purely by ideology. It was not his job to give death penalty to criminals - that's the job of the judiciary. As a policeman/detective, his job was to capture criminals and produce them before the judiciary, not give death penalty to them. People are made magistrates after some training and experience, and light was not experienced enough or qualified enough to become "justice".
This is why I think light was wrong and L was right.
Ha ha I'm not reading any of that...
Grave Mind
I agree, but there are contradictions... What right does the judge have to kill humanity for the sake of order. Where sometimes, the innocent are killed and the guilty run free.
Between L and Light, I will agree. In the grand scheme of reality, "Justice" is meaningless because humanity will always contradict it.
Grave Mind with your theory in mind, I believe Watari is pretty scary too, not evil Light took that throne from day 1. L might be a victim of circumstance. He was created/molded in the orphanage and trained to be dependent on Watari. I won’t go into too much detail but I noticed his past isn’t brought up that much but a good example of what he’s capable of is the continued torture of Misa Amane. L might’ve given the order but Watari physically handled the gruesome parts like he’d done it before like maybe at the orphanage or with other criminals. Just a thought please don’t hate on me.
He literally says to himself "I am justice" at one point.
@@CoolidgeGaming he never acted acordding to this claim, It really seems like this just happend to have a cool scene of the two of them saiyng the same thing, L and by extension Near and Mello wanted to capture Kira just because he was a criminal breaking the law, nothing more nothing less
“They are birth right and wrong” “Mortality and justice don’t have a clear line” That sums up this series and our actions in real life I respect you for realizing that
Big fan +DuoReview, please keep up the good work! Your the best! Seriously your vids have been gettin me through tough times so thanks
Very interesting video. I have put quite a bit of thought in this as well and it's kinda funny thinking back on it when I thought L was in the right and then I realized he was breaking the law too lol
Yeah, I think I ended up being closer to Team L - at least, L would allow a criminal to go to trial rather then potential murder someone who didn't even commit a crime.
S- CC hint light checks who does crimes and if they actually regret it and didn’t mean to kill someone then they live
Light may check that, but there's still the issue of innocent people accused of a crime they didn't commit and a secondary issue that I will point out too. As my mother has said and I'd argue in this, "The police are there to solve the crime, but not necessarily to solve it correctly."
Basically put, cops go with the evidence but sometimes mess up their jobs. They can miss evidence, file things incorrectly, and/or look at something at the scene that seems like evidence that points towards potential suspect and find out later the suspect didn't do it. There's actually a great example of this in Illinois - there was a father that jailed for murdering his 6-year-old daughter because his fingerprints of a house window in his own home, and an over-looked (for 15 years) an important pair of sneakers.
The cops didn't test the sneakers for 15 years and when they did, they found DNA of the actual killer who happened to be a previously convicted child-killer. Sure, they let the father out of jail after those 15 years, but his life is ruined and in Deathnote world - Kira would have killed him because he didn't say he was sorry but instead said he wasn't the murderer, which was actually true.
Secondly, some people wouldn't feel bad if we killed someone, and that completely would be reasonable in some cases. This can be for a variety of reasons - what if a woman was being abused regularly by her husband and no one was helping her, well, some women would kill him to defend themselves while he's asleep; it might be because of shock (not everyone wouldn't have that after killing someone either); what if a child who was being abused killed their parents to stop the abuse, the kid probably wouldn't regret that; and that's not counting the emotional aspect of killing someone.
And that wouldn't even count as accident and/or self-defense for certain countries and/or juries. The USA didn't count the case of women being abused regularly by their husband in that sort of previously mentioned situation as self-defense and/or a reason it may be homicide instead of 1st degree murder until around 1960s-1970s. I'm sure some countries don't count that as a factor to this day.
S- CC
I am against both L and Light.
Its great to see content creators like DuoReview talking about Death Note again : )
Tbf I dont understand why people keep saying that light killing naomi was like a "turning point". Him killing the agents was kinda the same, even him killing Lind L Taylor (given that he thought it was L). She wasn't his "first innocent victim".
Quite an amazing video, as usual! I gotta say that the whole ambiguity (probably spelt that wrong, sorry :' ) ) is one of the most interesting aspect of the serie and unlike a lot of other series, never does it really tries to tell you one if better than the other which leaves a lot of space to debate and kind of pushes you to reconsider your opinion, whichever side you are on. It's this kind of series that is the most amazing in my opinion since, in a way, it really does hold the power to change your perception of reality, if that makes sense lol
Ayeeeeeee i never dropped another video so far XD gonna be a great video I’m sure
Edit: i was right, great video Duo
I think true justice could be a combination of both Light’s and L’s versions of it
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This makes me think. What is more important: Justice or Plot?
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I am deeply sorry about this joke.
The correct answer is that Justice > Plot. Small chest FTW!
RonnocFroop
Correct answer is that L and Light are pieces of crap and the world doesn't need them.
Thor's Hammer ------->The Joke
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Thor's Hammer a world without Light would be a dark place indeed.
TheZombiesReanimated
But he made it worse. He most likely killed innocent civilians for no reason and don't forget he murdered investigaters only doing their jobs people who had families and Light did it for his self preservation and his pride and arrogance. Light and L in my book are both guilty and should be given the death sentence.
Both of them use justice as a justification for their pleasure.
Kira wanting to be god.
L wanting to win the game.
Duo will you be covering MHA(All Might/All for One)?
As a side note, it's mentioned in the series that at least before the timeskip after L's death that Light as Kira never killed people who honestly regretted their crimes and that he usually investigated the evidence so that he could check if they were likely enough to be guilty to consider killing.
I always thought that the death notes have a more sinister undertone and they slowly corrupt whoever has them
Great video mate 👌🏻
I’m sorry but I gotta be 100% honest my favorite part of your vids is the intro I honestly could just listen to that song all day
One personal difference between L and Light thst puts me in L's camp is that L admits he sometimes does wrong to win the case, that he can be a hypocrite, and he's not under the illusion he's a wholly good person.
When L said "I and Justice."
Awesome thank you very much for the information keep up your great work
That Niomi part was game changing. It made me switch my train of thought on who's side I was on.
Justice reminds me of....
Guess what?
Here u go
"JUSTICE CRASH"
Light is more of a socialpath
L: Let me break the law to get information and catch the criminal. Light: let me reduce the crime rate by 71% yea that’s a task failed successfully
Loving the intro.
I recall that when one of the other Death Note users (I'm unsure if it was Misa or the Yotsuba Group but I think it was Misa) first appeared it was noted that the pattern of killing was off and the individuals that committed crimes due to unfortunate circumstances were killed. To me this implies that Light did pay enough attention to the crimes context to make judgement calls on who does and doesn't die, at least at first.
I’m taking philosophy this semester and we will be looking at justice as a topic later down n I’m looking forward to it
I still think killing people is never the solution, and even if a person committed really big crimes, that person shouldn’t be killed. I think Light kills people mainly aiming to become a god, not mainly aiming to create justice.
Lights theory of justice is retributive justice and Ls is as merit based version of justice and similar to how the debate between Rawls and Nozick” a modern version of this epic enlightening abstract ideology
UA-cam’s willing to take down videos without actually reviewing them . JUSTICE
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Yay! More Death Note stuff :D
This isn't a bad video, but it just surprises me that you (and maybe many fans) expected there to be a "correct" and objective form of justice and of evil at all. Evil and justice are both subjective. Plus, each person's mind, emotions, and actions are filled with things that we could call evil and things we could call just. Everyone has flaws in their values and/or takes actions that contradict their values (including me). That's just common sense to me. I never thought Death Note was about either side being completely "just" nor completely "evil." It's only natural that you can find things you disgree with in both sides, L and Kira.
Can you do a video on the Magi series?
3:53 in episode 21 Light says "He's punishing people who never intended to kill, those who sincerely regretted their crimes or people with excusable circumstances. The orginal Kira would never have punished those kinds of people"
Also Naomi Misora was a pretty big threat, she was certain that Kira could kill besides with a heart attack and if she was able to tell L her theory then it would be extremely likely Light would of lost quickly.
Nah man! My boi Near is justice because winners write history
L : Light is Kira
People : you have no proof
Near : Light is Kira
People : GENIUS
Winners also write light's name in the death note
@@hamazing7778 YEAH I GUESS THAT TOO BUT COULD HE WRITE SOMETHING LIKE
"DEATH BY NAME WRITTEN BY SHINIGAMI IN DEATH NOTE"
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I just saw this video in my recommended section, and, can I just ask what your intro song is? It sounds familiar.
It's Future diary/Mirai Nikki op 1 "Kuusou Mesorogiwi" hoped that helped :)
Well in their terms... "justice" is the person that "wins", is not whether or not the outcome is fair or not... Rather simply the outcome regardless of how it got there.
The way I see it, Kira is Justice after L dies and then Kira's Justice ends after Near takes down Light. Well you might say there are people out there still rooting for Kira. But I attribute "Justice" to the person per se. As opposed to "group mentality". That's just the way I see it.
Feel free to respond.
Light does take in consideration the circumstance of the crime. Remeber when Light was mad at Misa for killing murderers who killed for a Good reason or accidental.
Hi Dude, so I have not seen this discussed on UA-cam before so it might be worth a try to talk about, but in the anime Death note before the events that are taking place there was something called the Los Angeles BB murder case but they never go in depth on what happened, I would appreciate it if you researched it and explain it in greater detail then the anime, thank you so much keep on being spooky and remember: The perfect world is a peaceful world. (:
MysticalMiner 1 I’m pretty sure he already did a video on that
MysticalMiner 1 there’s a book on this read it please it shows it fully
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Light mentions during the period without his memory how the yotsuba kira kills without looking at circumstances. It seemed to suggest he DID look at that sorta thing
Yeah. Both have their faults when it comes to their sense of justice, but I have to side with L. What Light did do the FBI agents wasn't right. Whether you mean Ray, his fiance, or the other twelve. That isn't to say I considered him potentially insane in the first season of course. Second season Light though? That's a strong maybe. Light did some things that I can understand and maybe even agree with, but . . . it was never his place to lay such permanent judgement on others.
Call me crazy but in most cases criminal should jus die if they are in no way useful to hunt down other criminals or can't be made good
Well, what about criminals that do something like steal to feed their families?
That may be illegal, but it's better then starving to death or letting your family starve to death. Some people who were put in the Jewish ghettos of World War 2 before being put in a Nazi-run Construction Camp to ensure their family's survival. And in some areas, people probably still do that because they can't afford to feed their families otherwise.
That also makes me ask, what about people who are mentally ill and commit a crime due to that?
The only legal definition of insanity in the USA court system is lacking - basically, you either must not be able the difference between right and wrong while committing a crime, or not must be insane enough to not know the difference between right and wrong. Yet, in USA, we'd still had a murderer like Andrea Yates, (who suffered from post-postpartum psychosis and drowned all of her kids starting from the youngest to the oldest because of religious delusions relating to that specific psychosis), still able to be found mentally sane and guilty of murder.
Delusions would effect your ability to tell the difference between right and wrong because of how delusions work - so how did she get as declared as sane from a legal perspective? Honestly, I have no clue how.
I'd also point at Richard Chase as a secondary example, (he was a schizophrenia with extreme delusions that caused to murder an entire family to drink their blood - yes, he had been institutionalized multiple times before that for his schizophrenia), of the USA's legal system not recognizing mental illness as actually being insanity from a legal perspective. He was sent to prison after his trial instead of having life stuck in an asylum.
I'd understand killing some criminals because they were monsters that knew exactly what they were doing, (like BTK, H. H. Holmes, and Ted Bundy), and what they were doing was truly terrible. That seems fair enough.
S- CC like I said most not all if they were stealing to help someone they would be given help to find a job while the mental insane part would follow what I said if they can't be rehabilitated they will be put down
xXEdgy_OutsiderXx I agree.
At the very least, I'd say for the point of mental illness, what might be a better thing to do is use them to improve the treatment for other people that suffer mental illness long-term.
A lot more then just criminals have mental illness, (like schizophrenia as an example - since that's actually pretty common), so why kill off those criminals if we can use them to see if treatments, (like new medications and/or therapy), will work or not?
Animal testing (medically speaking) doesn't always translate to humans well - why not use an actual human lab rat or two to improve testing?
S- CC I agree actually human testing should be used more with how many criminals their are in most prisons
In my opinion the show would've had the best ending simply after the 50 day imprisonment when Light kinda became a friend with L and L was nearly suspicious-free, and ofc he just should've given up on the Death note just forget it, live with Misa and investigate-be a colleague with L.
Ofcourse this is just my own prefference, I'm saying what I'd like, I would like a happy ending, but the anime's creator has his last word on his own creation.
whats the song in the intro of this video called?
Kira didn't pass judgment from distance, he studied each case dudeee
Some people don't deserve to be allowed rehabilitation.
I saw a BBC mini-doc that had a guy who filmed himself raping a toddler get only 15 years.
He should at least have got life and there should be prisons specifically for people who commit crimes against children where there is an unspoken agreement that the other inmates can do whatever they like to them so long as they don't kill them.
That is unless we had legalised death penalty with provisions for painful methods.
People who only get 15 years after proven guilty of child rape are an example that the criminal "justice" system is a joke.
For me the Moral good's definition is one who put Human life above others, like that trolley problem thing, but once you start using people like they're mere tools, that's where the evil starts
Even a serial killer like *Beyond Birthday* had a strong sense of justice, and that's what's crazy. It doesn't matter what actions someone takes that decides justice, but it what they want the outcome to be.
Could u do a pros and cons of both kinds of justice
In my opinion the real problem with Light was his god complex. Light was willing to sacrifice everyone for his ideas but not himself in contrast to Lelouch from code geass. In the last chapter of the manga it was said that Kira/Light actions lowered crime rates in the world by 70% it might be just a cold calculation but in the end Light did more good than evil, of course that doesn't mean that Light was good, its just a matter of interpretation, also its forcing you to think about: how much can you sacrifice for your ideas (may it be world peace etc.)
Lelouch is different in that he will change his plans to protect the people he cares about. Light won't do that. Light is actually more like Lelouch's older brother Schniezel. Schniezel's the exact same as Light he can come across as a nice guy, but he thinks he is so above everyone that he doesn't really care about anyone.
Oh my gosh I forgot about this ahhhhh!
I came as soon as I saw the notification.
He has prevented 600,000 deaths
It would be too obvious if L won in the end I’m satisfied how the anime took it, Near could have had more personality and a more complex way of outwitting Light in the end, Melli was different overall, P.s the end was satisfying.
This is a super old video and I haven’t watched it all yet, but based on the first minute I kinda feel inclined to point out that L says multiple times in the manga that he doesn’t care about justice, and he only takes on cases as a hobby. The anime probably includes that info too.
Random thing to say, but can you do a theory on the disastrous life of Saiki K? I know it’s a bit strange but think about it, why did Saiki gain powers? He could become god if he wanted to, without his limiters he probably could become an immortal being able to do anything he wants, the others also, his brother and his intelligence, Aiura with the power to tell the future, and Toritska with the power to see and talk to ghosts, but there is no villain. It’s just strange to me
I had some psylillosphy class a couple of years back. There we got the ethical question, where we should choose:
A group of soldiers have lined 5 men up against a wall, they will shoots them. But you get a choice. You can choose to kill ONE of them yourself, and the rest of them would be set free. Kill one by your own hand, or let five die in the hand of another. What will you chose?
Scaled down, you could say Light chose to kill one by his own hand, and L chose to kill all five, just by watching. Either you become the one who kills to safe or you become the one who watch though you could save one.
It's A hard choice, it’s not that easy to kill by your own hand. Light was right when he said “Someone has to do it” - because not a lot of people can or will. At the same time, should you kill at all?
*You strive for your justice , I strive for mine*
As a beginning philosopher, I can say I have a huge Smash Bros addiction
Light judges people and he lets some criminals who he thinks is falsely accused and even kills people who he thinks are guilty even if they didn’t go to jail like the cleaner who he killed in front of the agent and L try’s to get a criminal even if he has to do a crime but he does crime he thinks well help him catch the criminal
instead of a boring its 3 am comment i'm just gonna say i live in england.
is still raining there?
Excellent
SPOILER:
People die in *death note*
You such a SPoile(r) brat ... get it !!!
No.. ok
It's your channel you do do you, either way I think we will enjoy it
Dang, that just made me want to go watch Death Note again