Fun....But Flawed! The Doxa Sub 200
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I love parts of this watch, but grit my teeth at others. The bracelet looks like an afterthought, and for $490AUD it should be much more than an afterthought. I'll say that again, $490AUD! Doxa, get a grip of yourself, you aren't Omega or Rolex, you can't charge $250USD for a rubber strap. I'll keep it for a while at least due the amazing colour and the charm of the watch head, but they need to do a 200.2. Cheers, Jody
Was great to meet you Jody! And a fair review in my opinion
So, I own this watch myself. I own it in yellow divingstar. It was a gift for my college graduation so obviously I’m going to be heavily biased, but I don’t mind the bracelet. I find the actual links and flexibility of it to be quite comfortable. Also, the 19mm lugs don’t bother me because I don’t intend on changing the strap, and if I did, it would go on a Barton rubber as they have 19mm options for $20. That said, the clasp is by far the worst part of this watch. It’s like 1990’s Breitling colt territory and that is not a compliment. As for the price, it’s a case of, it is what it is. Once you get into Swiss “heritage” brands, the law of diminishing returns comes into play big time. Tudor is quite happy to sell you an ETA 2824 for $2200. The bracelet may be higher quality than the Doxa, but not $1200 dollars better. This is a very imperfect watch. Yet, when the yellow dial plays with the light, it just hits me in all the right ways.
beautifully written man
A flawed Doxa?!?!?!?! ;) If I ever get a Doxa it would be this colour! Maybe not this case but the iconic 70’s case! Dimensions like the mini turtle? Like it more now!
Doxa should be a crayon color.
Such a nice looking watch that stumbles on bracelet, clasp and even accuracy.
Danke für den Tip mit dem Armband. Hätte sie fast bestellt. Ist ja immer noch das gleiche. Denke eine Tissot Seastar 1000 ist genau so hübsch und noch einiges billiger, hat sogar 80 Stunden Gangreserve.
I love watching old JOMW vids.
I kinda miss the old school intro Jody, I’d love to see it once again. Much love from NYC
Strap price is absolutely criminal. Doxa should be ashamed of themselves.
Copper wire was invented by two Scot's men fighting over a penny.
You beat me to that comment. Cheers!
My dad dropped a penny once,he bent down to pick it up so fast it hit him on the back of his head!
I've got both the SUB 1200T and the SUB 300 and they have the same clasp on the bracelet. To be honest it's super slim, very comfortable and does a great job. I would hate to see a modern chunky milled clasp on a retro inspired watch. The dive extension is a joke though, i can't even fit it over my 3mm wetsuit.
Jodi, great vid 👍 Your "niggles" are all valid. I purchased a Doxa 1200T 7 years ago for my 30th and despite the aforementioned "niggles" it is one of my favs. The bracelet and clasp make for sense on the 'vintage' reissues as the bracelets where much the same in the 60's. But on a new design these are less-than-choice. Also, although the website claims "ETA" my watch maker upon servicing my Doxa reported it was indeed a Sellita! -Not a deal breaker, but indeed marketing that should be checked. If anyone is interested in a review of the 1200T I posted one some time ago, the videography is terrible but there ya go.
burnt orange is by far my favourite colour but I struggle to wear it on a watch, looks great but so hard to match.....loved the honesty regarding the bracelet, good review once again, thanks
I am a big fan of your channel.
Lately, I am intrigued by orange dial color watches. Finally, I bought an Islander 38mm Automatic Dive Watch with Solid-Link Bracelet, AR Sapphire Crystal, and Luminous Ceramic Bezel Insert #ISL-22. SII NH36 automatic movement with day-date, hand winding, and hacking; by Islander Watch Company for 299 USD plus shipping to Italy 16.14 USD, plus import taxes, duties, carrier commission that I estimate an extra 70 USD. Not bad at all! I can't wait to receive it. I'd like to see a review of that watch made by you.
Thanks Jody for opening our eyes to it. I had a Tissot T-touch with a clasp and extension this cheep which I ended up selling because of that.
Glad you got to check out a Doxa Sub Jody. 👍 I’m a big fan of theirs but the prices have gone crazy. Those straps and bracelets 😳.
I own a vintage Sub 300T Professional and the first re-issue from around 2000. For many years they were my only watches. ( Until I started watching your channel😱😉)
That re-issue was a limited edition of 1000 and roughly the same price as your Sub 200! Ok 20 years is a long time.
But does it suffer from the Porsche Boxster problem, in that it’s not a 911? And you’ll catch yourself thinking...should have bought the Sub 300T.
I can’t stand the fact the 300’s don’t have raised markets and aften are misprinted
I appreciate your decency and authenticity with regard to exposing the down points of this watch, with which and I totally agree. And you do that despite the fact that you've bought it !
I love Doxa ❤ l own the same one the Orange with the bracelet looks stunning in person going to add another Doxa to my watch collection
Wearing that very Cronos and Love it. Only had it about 4 days. This Cronos just feels good. The Bracelet is comfy.
I actually like your old background...
@Jim Alaska Jody's been fighting 24Hours At A Time for that background for years. It seems Jody lost.
Me too...
It was that German girl You Tuber who brought in this generic style background and a lot of You Tubers followed like Lemmings. This is too dark and the white book shelves before looked genuine and provided a good backdrop.
There are still lots of videos you can watch over to stay with the old background.
If Jody has got any sense; he'll revert to the old one. It's like scrapping the map as a background to individual watches. Most of these recent copy-cat Jenni-Elle backgrounds look like they are in a funeral parlour:
Just Blue Fish copied immediately
Eric Rivera has a more funky one; but with the identical vestige useless shelf
Bark and Jack has a very similar set up, but both he and @watcheric are too savvy with the photography to have a morbidly dark and funereal background. Bring back the white book shelves, Jodi!
I own this watch and I personally think the bracelet is quite nice, especially with screws for the links. The case work is immaculate and better than watches at $3000 plus. Doxa knocked it out of the park on this piece.
Thanks for illuminating this watch with the JOMW bright light of Truth! You just saved a bunch of folks a ton of buyer's remorse.
Jody, thank you for that comparison between the Doxa and the Chronos. I don't think I've ever seen a better illustration of how a larger-diameter watch can read much smaller than another one with actually smaller dimensions. Fascinating stuff, the design of the watch does not solely depend on the diameter, it's all about the lugs, bezel, everything that goes into it and just makes it what it is. Both are beautiful watches, but it is interesting to look at how the subtle details form the overall aesthetic, and our perception of the watch's size.
Everything you said is the reason I went with the 300t. Unbelievable bracelet, running +-0 terrific watch. EXCEPT the lume is rubbish!! Love my Doxa just a couple of little issues
Have you looked at Baltic watches? I have 3 of them and their customer service is very good. They have the Bronze diver in blue and black now. They also have choices for strap and bracelet and reasonable costs.
Love Doxa. Love my recently purchased Doxa White Pearl. I swapped the rubber strap for the OG bracelet. Not the best but not terrible
I was just about to order this watch. Man, the gripes you have are completely valid. Man, it looked so good too.
Same. Tissot Seastar 1000 is now my favorite.
I have only one orange dial watch, and it's a Elini Barokas skeleton and I just put it on a orange NATO strap. It has a black case, and at 57mm width and 17mm thick, it's a very large watch. It's a dive watch that came on a rubber strap. Looking at the New Rolex, I am liking the different orange and yellow colors they came out with. I just pre ordered a Panzera Aquamarine Pro diver on a mesh but want the Yellow rubber strap but don't want to spend the $70
my man, i thank your for your reviews. your scottish accent and your humor eases my day! thank you!
Thanks for watching the channel Dario!
Man. How I wish you could review a Doxa SUB 300 Professional. I own the 600t Clive Cussler edition from the early 2000s, and love whenever I see a SUB getting some love.
Love the Vostok tee.
Hey Stephen! Glad you like it. Is a design of mine...
Jordi Bartoll you sell them??? Been wanting one
@@theryguy4307 yes! You can order it here:
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Really glad you like it!!
@@JordiBartoll I love it! thats the model I own :). Thx!
@@blktauna Thank you! I own a Vostok myself and I just thought that it would be nice to have a tee with that small dude... So I gave it to Jody that seems to like it too ;o)
Thanks for this I was looking at one of these as my next level up watch but now realise it’s a no go
Doxa were known for the Lume and visibility back in the day. Pity the lume on this one doesn't live up to their reputation .Good to see that they had a go at a lumed bezel , but maybe a revised version could see improvement in both the lume and the bracelet.
Insanity in the pricing, no thank you. Rather have a Blue Casio Duro on a Barton strap
Some of these watches aren't for the average joe lol
Colour scheme on that one is amazing, love the black and orange look, stunning!
Glad I watched this, I was considering a black Doxa 200 and was already a bit iffy about that non-tapering bracelet; now that I know that it actually flares out to 20mm (what the hell?), I‘ll probably go for the Seiko SPB143.
Good choice! Even Seiko's cheaper divers are a better value than the Doxa.
I like the charm but Doxa is just living off the strong brand now - they're straight up lazy
Having owned an SPB143 before, and now owning the Sub 200 Sharkhunter... QC is better on the Doxa, as is accuracy of the SW200 (previously ETA) movement vs. the 6R35 from Seiko. Who cares about the 70 hr power reserve and LumiBrite if you can't even hit the -25/+15 spd at the $1,000 price point ... sheesh.
Bless your orange heart. I love the looks of this one in almost any other color. Sorry Jody but that is just too shouty for my taste. Enjoy your summer and excuse my while I dig out my parka for the coming winter...
Barton has you covered with a nice 19mm silicone elite straps. This watch might be my next one!
I have to admit I love a beads of rice bracelet 👍 thanks Jody good review
Not sure what made me laugh harder... the gasp when you employed the diver's extension, or "That's the sound of a corner being cut". HA HA HA HA!
I've said this before, but 19mm lugs show up a lot for how "non-regulation" they are. It's annoying for sure, but I'm almost more annoyed that strap-sellers haven't noticed and started making more 19mm straps at this point, since it seems watch-makers aren't going to budge on the issue. I figure if someone started selling bands in that size they could do good business.
And, for what it's worth, WatchGecko offers a bunch of leather options, a few NATOs, a mesh and a "oyster-ish" all in 19mm, for anyone who is looking.
I am interested in the blue dial version of this watch. But I am now conflicted as other reviews of this watch point out similar shortcomings. It’s frustrating that Doxa got the bracket so wrong and then significantly overpriced the strap.
I had a similar experience with one of my favorite watches . . . I have an edox 80503 and I got it with a leather strap. After a few months I decided I wanted a steel bracelet. But it's 21mm. So after trying one that didn't fit happily, I ponied up the $110 for thiers(including shipping from Switzerland) and I got it.
While I am glad it now has a steel bracelet that fits, it has a cheap pressed steel clasp and no real adjustability. I have seen far nice bracelets on watches that cost less whole than this one bracelet did. But I have it now.
Instead of the Doxa “Professional” they should call it the Doxa Red Flag. Because that’s all I was seeing during the video. Thanks for the video Jody!
Thank you so much Jody. I was on the fence about getting this or putting in a pre-order for a Halios Seaforth..and though I'm yet to receive the Seaforth, I am glad that I didn't spend the hard earn cash on this watch. You're amazing!
That domed crystal saves the watch, really gives it that bit extra.
Love the shape of the case and the optical illusion it gives. Unfortunately not keen on the high polish beeds of rice bracelet. Great review Jody, cheers mate.
I’m going to get the pro on a orange rubber, looks stunning 🟠❤️🟠
Get a parnis sterile dial and spray paint it orange
Great review. Shame about the cut corners but really good to see someone with the balls to call them out on it. I do love my SKX in yellow on a yellow rubber strap. Bright!
Love the looks of that dial and crystal. Your niggles and moans are spot on, some little things to tweak to make it soooo much better. Current configuration and price would be a no go for me. Make the suggested changes and I would have to do some hard comparison shopping, but it would at least make sense to compare at that point, currently, not so much. Of course, $1k watches are conspicuously absent from my collection currently, so perhaps my discussing $1k watch comparisons for purchase is equal to Doxa’s dream world strap pricing.....😂
That orange shot! It’s nice aesthetically, and I like the case sizing... $250 bucks for a rubber strap?! Crazy! Doxa is working that brand value hard here...
Do you plan on getting the Doxa or the Barton's orange sfrap? I suggest that it would be interesting to compare those two straps.
I'm a big collector, mostly vintage and micros, and this is one of my faves. Your negatives made me hesitate but glad I picked one up. The bracelet isn't an issue and, though I'm typically a strap fan, I keep this on the bracelet since it's a beaut and goes with it so well. Comparing this watch to the 3 you mention with better bracelets seems like missing the point. Are you reviewing the watch, or an accessory to the watch (the bracelet)? I much prefer the watch itself over the other 3. I'm not noticing any rattling at all when I wear it, and I'll never use the divers extension. It's nicer than my vintage Omega bracelets. 19mm straps, including NATO types, aren't difficult to find either. Like you I have complaints about Doxa's accessory pricing and movement description, but the movement of my particular example tests better than any watch I've ever put on my timegrapher. My Sub 200 was sold new in Feb 2023 though I bought it used, and the timing is a consistently spot on 0 secs/day. The amplitude is 304 with zero beat error, and the 2 graph lines appear as a single horizontal line. Super watch.
You definitely should try the Ollech & Wajs C-1000. Amazing watch with crazy specs and amazing vintage diver feeling
I just picked up the SRP black Turtle and Im in love with it. I planed on using it for many years and get a Doxa as an upgrade when that time to move on comes.
After this review, I def wont.
Nice watch, but not sure it's a grand nice. It is a lovely colour. I had an orange Orient Ray 2 that I did love but found orange to be a challenging colour to wear sometimes. But in the sun in a casual situation it's great.
I don't always choose an orange watch but when I do it's a Doxa. I Love it.
I love the Doxa brand .
The cushion case is my fav
BEST camera flip on UA-camland!!! GO Jody!!!
HELLOOOOOOO JODY! I see you've found a Halloween watch!😂
I like these and think they're gorgeous. I especially love that case profile! That bracelet though...😭
DOXA-"Less Than Professional" Reaching for my Yema. BUT I DO LOVE THE COLOUR!
Love the tee Jody. Wow I was seriously considering one of these for my birthday. I had noticed the price of the rubber strap before this review and was flabbergasted. Love your reviews. Cheers.
Hey Kylie! I'm really glad you like my tee!
The sub 300T is still my dream watch. I have much more expensive brands but the one I have always wanted is the 300T. There is just something about it. My wife remains unconvinced so I am Doxa-less.
I see it as a Fashion Watch. It's not bad, I will buy the Tiffany color version.
Jody, please consider the orange (Professional...insert term for orange here) Seiko Samurai. I received this wat h as a gift from my wife and, truly, love it! Great looks, great specs for money, yes, hardlex, I get it, but what a look! I am a bigger guy 6'5", 7.5 inch wrist, but I have to recommend this one as an alternative to the Doxa!
Indeed Robert, search for "Way Of The Samurai!"
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Well, they are straight up telling you that this bracelet is worth $50, what did you expect?
Black with orange stripes NATO strap will be a bomb blast for this watch. I think 20mm NATO will work well with it's 19mm lugs.
I have quite a few Doxas, some vintage and some bought new. They don't seem to be able to put lume on a watch. No idea why. I started collecting them around 15 years ago but gave it up when the prices spiraled. They all seemed to be the same watch, more or less.
I have one ❤ not sure if I was the only one but I got mine in a regular box not one of those soft zip type , I'm not a fan of the bracelet at all
Did Doxa go through one of these things where they almost died and someone bought them just to pimp the name? To me, Doxa is such a respectable name but whenever I research them for purchase I run into the issues you described here: the price just doesn't match the specs. It's too bad, the actual Doxa's from the 60s and 70s were great watches for their era.
Yeah i came across a website "Doxa in Asia" their models are completely different and look like garbage. No classic Subs on the website. It's a shame.
Well said...getting so tired of poor value for money from these brands! The Alsta Nautoscaph Superautomatic is another prime example...
They still look great but you pay for the name. Compare with the Maranez Samui - NH35, but a lot cheaper
@Tony Hill Ball watches seem to be doing this at the moment too
@@horologywatchmaking13 Maybe it was a phony website? I googled Extrema Ratio knives and the first thing to come up was what looked like an Extrema Ratio home page with suspiciously low prices. Turned out it was a Chinese website selling phony Extrema Ratios and it was done up to fool you into thinking it was the real deal. Since China's foray into capitalism, internet buying has become MUCH dicier.
Think this has convinced me to go for the Axios for my next purchase... unless you have another vintage diver you can recommend.. I already have the Oris 65 diver, but looking for something in a colourful option.
the whole thing is madness at 1500!!!!
Awesome review! Thank you. Reconsidering buying this watch now.
I like your videos quite a bit! Keep up the great work!
I’ve been eyeing the Tiffany blue colored one quite a bit. I really dig it!
Last time I was this early Everton were FA Cup Holders. Oh! Those Dogs of War!
19mm lug width is the deal breaker for any price in a diver watch, perfect bracelet look though.
Coming soon to a watch-flip website near you! 😄
HeyJody, another great video. I really appreciate your honest reviews. Apart from the watch, I always look forward to the tee shirt your sporting! Never a disappointment. I also completely agree with the assessment on the bracelet. Definitely the weak link….no pun intended.
I realy enjoy your reviews Jodie.
Is there a chance to see more dressy watches?
Things that can go with suits like the cocktails?
Seiko skx011 is another good orange driver option if you can find one.
You can’t beat an orange dial 🍊 I actually love that Doxa have launched more accessible watches
Wow I would have thought for a grand it would have been better. I'll stick with my orange sammi on a crafter blue orange strap. Great info Jody keep up the great content sir.
very good review, great job in highlighting the good and the bad. Great shots!
I've always wanted a watch with an orange dial and managed to secure a Victorinox about 12 years ago. Someone made me a good offer on it and now I'm longing for another orange dial....
I’d love if you could review the sub300 or 300T
Perhaps an ISOfrane strap can be the solution Jody? Great review as always.
Thank you for this! I was on the cusp to order this, but the cheap bracelet is a deal breaker.
Picked up the yellow color way on the rubber for $729 on a gray market site.
Please do some review after buing that orange rubber strap or at least give some opinion is it any good, Big thanks.
19mm lugs is no problem. Just use a file and you easily make a 20mm bracelet 19mm, and a sharp knife of scalpel on a leather or rubber strap. My Tag Heuer is a 19 mm and I've adjusted many straps for it
I have been seriously looking into getting one of these but then have seen other videos on UA-cam exposing the fact that they are not in fact Swiss made but manufactured for the most part in China
I was considering to buy one, but changed my mind after visiting Doxa-in-Asia. I don't understand. They are swiss made as well.
You want a strap, look into Bonetto Cinturini. Italian natural rubber that smell like vanilla. Used by micro and other larger swiss brands.
Circa $30 great quality and not the lint magnet a silicone one is. Numerous colours available, vintage styles too.
I'd be surprised if that doxa one wasn't actually made by them or they didn't have one nearly identical.
Clicked for the color pretty cool looking watch.
hum hum... don't really get the sudden Doxa bashing in all the comments below. I bought it with black dial on black rubber strap (£910)
it's not entirely fair to compare it with an Oris 65 which costs on average £1500... then Doxa is a brand with an history and swiss made as opposed to many micro brands from HK
What I like is that it's not the common watch you will see on every people wrists like Seiko...and PLEASE don't get me wrong I love Seiko and my Sumo Green is my daily watch and I have few vintage seiko too
I agree with Jody : slightly over priced and the spare parts price are insane... but overall a very nice watch and the dial is very nice / vintage and not something you come across frequently!
good week end :)
Doxa is a brand with history.....but they died and were reborn like so many others. Oris continuous and independent since 1914. The 65 is not perfect, but I prefer it to this. Cheers mate!
@@JustOneMoreWatch thank you Sir for the response :) keep up the good work and post more videos of diving watches :)
Good morning Jody from the UK! With your run of Dive Watch reviews atm, may I suggest you look at the Citizen Promaster BN100-51E? On sale over here for a penny under £150.00 yet advertised on some US ebay sites for £400 plus(!). The watch has a nickname "The Excaliber" due to the unique minute hand design. I've enjoyed your many reviews over the years and you've just started featuring Citizen watches. Now to watch your review of the Casio Dive watch. Take care.
The sub 200 is in a small group of small, easy to wear, lightweight, divers. There aren't really many of them, and very few are made to the quality of the doxa 200. Unfortunately to be able to be used as a real divers watch, you must have a dive extension. This was a cost compromise, but for the price its churlish to complain. Actually the bracelet is very high quality and very conformable. Each bead separately articulates, which can't be said even for the centre link of most 3 link bracelets under £3000. I think it's an excellent watch and punches well above its weight
The Orange is great but the black makes it look like halloween. I like the orange with silver bezel like on the sub 300t and the seiko monster.
160k subs! Well done, bet you never imagined that 👍
👍🤣 Thanks mate! No way, I thought maybe I'd hit 20k max
@@JustOneMoreWatch you've grafted for it, best watch reviewer on youtube by far. If it's become your primary income what a way to earn it.
Well, no work at Sydney Opera House since March, so have been relying on my Google Ad money this year to keep me afloat. And you're right, what a great job!
@@JustOneMoreWatch I can see you now in a black and white fat suit 😂