Smash Ultimate Patch Report - 13.0.1 - The Last Laugh
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2021
- So it has come to this, it's the final balance patch to be made for smash ultimate. And by that it also means the last patch report. So let's take a look at the changes that were made in this update, one last time.
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Ryu is the best example of "We're gonna keep buffing him until you realize he's good" I've ever seen in a fighting game. Thank you, Ken solo mains, you really made the dev team think he needs it
Love me some Ryu
Been playin ryu since day one, and its been hella fun watching my gameplan completely change because of the buffs hes recieved over the years this game has been out
@@who7111 I guess they wanted a real fireball spammer to be more authentic to a typical wifi fighting game experience.
@@brain_tonic yeah there’s always that one character nobody plays so you don’t know the match up, then it turns out they’re a high tier zoner.
I mean it’s just fun to play characters that move faster
Steve's upsmash got changed because an infinite involving canceling it when the block you're standing on breaks, placing another block behind you and then upsmashing again was discovered, so they made it harder to combo out of when it cancels.
The infinite still exists, it's just even harder to do. But I guess Steve mains will just have to resort to their 0-death combos now
I can't believe Ganondorf went this entire game without a single buff besides one he only got because it was a shared issue with Falcon.
MUST.BUFF.FALCON!
Ganon was never meant for competitive.
His D-Smash connects a little better, but aside from those 2, he's gotta basically nothing compared to everyone else.
Ganoncide can't be used as a last-trick anymore since it kills the Ganondorf first. Ganon F-Smash still has a blindspot, which can lead to you getting punished for you landing the move. F-air visual effect appears sooner than the hitbox, if you fastfall on the ground and cancel it the visual will appear but not the hitbox of the move.
The last active frame of Up smash can't hit some crouched opponent despite visually hitting them.
Nintendo why
Good
The enthusiasm in this video is something else lol
The main reason all the buffs are so unfocused and don't affect much in the meta is because they base the buffs off of Elite Smash results, not the competitive scene.
I don't know if that's actually true. Didn't Sakurai say Ganondorf had the lowest Elite Smash win rate?
@@BBB-pe3ip I remember before the game came out, when they announced elite smash, they said they would use it to help balance the game. Also, Sakurai replied to the JP Nintendo Tweet about the balance patch with this (translated with DeepL): "The balance adjustment is now complete. Thank you to everyone involved in the adjustments. The fighters used in the top-ranked games, including the average online win rate, are evenly distributed, which I think is generally desirable. I think it was a good distribution. We hope you'll continue to enjoy the great brawls where the main players (or classes?) of various games come together!"
BBB And this was the problem with the patches to begin with. Elite Smash is a joke.
I dont think it's just that. Like why would they fix tech checking if that was the case? Why would Min Min, one of the most hated characters in Japan, be nerfed twice. I definitely think they're at least listening to the Japanese Smash scene. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Pika is considered the best character in Ultimate in the states but in Japan peoples opinion on Pika is a lot lower. Probably why he never got touched while min min was.
Makes you wonder why they buffed Ness, Samus, and Cloud several times...
Sakurai further realizing that Min Min was a mistake is too funny
This is why it should've been Kid Cobra.
ult patches are super hit or miss
sometimes it's making falcon go from bottom 20 to top 30
and sometimes it's making mythra f smash kill 2 percent later
usually they are bad but they can sometimes be great and actually make a difference I would say even in this one link down tilt became way better cloud has waft and dk has a good safe combo tool for neutral
this game's patches have been quite the rocky road but I can't say they were all bad
agreed
The problem is after 3 years that’s unacceptable. “Not all bad” for patches is something you say for SNK in the early 2010’s. Not this late into a modern game by Nintendo the company literally saying we have to invent ways to spend our money. Dragon ball fighterz feels like a completely different game even from just the characters. This is the same game I bought at launch. The only difference is there’s a bunch of dlc characters that people swear are bs but never supplanted pikachu in general match up wins or snake in tournament results overall. Three years and the bottom 3 are still the same is pathetic.
@@Neogears1312 ^^^
@@Neogears1312 and them choosing link out of the 3 links, inkling, and falco to receive buffs proves your point.
As someone who plays other games that get patched a lot, I think people hard underestimate the effect that seemingly tiny buffs/nerfs have. For example, in League of Legends, they reduced Irelia's movement speed from 340 to 335. That's a 1.4% nerf. Her winrate dropped by about 3% after this seemingly random and meaninglesss change. Similar situations have happened before, like Rengar losing 2 AD. Point is, people are flat out wrong about small changes not having a big impact. The patches for Ultimate have been overall excellent IMO.
Interesting to note is that the earliest patches of the game seemed a lot more willing to make major changes, like the major nerfs to pichu or the buffing of incineroars up b. Idk why they stopped though
Cause it was a unfinished game that's why
@@ken7007 I don't think that's fair to say. Sometimes you don't know how good or bad a character truely is until you get the game into the hands of the public. Almost every single game that recieves balance changes doesn't launch with perfect balance
They stopped making big changes because the game is pretty balanced at this point. You can just look at top 16s in most big tourneys (regional+) and you'll see a lot of character diversity, including characters that the community deems "bad" like Lucario, Ridley, Puff, K Rool and Incineroar putting up numbers recently.
@@brain_tonic Like the game is decently balanced but it definitely could use improvement.
@@yoyoguy1st it stops being a priority at some point, especially when youre about to wrap up the dlc content schedule, disband the team and turn off the lights of the office. the balance as a whole is good enough.
Steve's up smash nerf was in response to an infinite he could do with block decay cancelling the move. After the nerf, it isn't possible anymore. Even if you weren't going for the infinite, it was still some huge damage since it also set up for an up air (which isn't possible anymore either). It's actually a pretty major change.
I can remember four characters who got genuinely changed significantly over the course of these patches. Ryu, ken, pichu, and olimar. Ryu and Ken were horrible when this game came out but they got a bunch of changes pretty early on and became pretty good. Pichu was a bastard who deserved what was coming and so was olimar. They both got nerfs that made them genuinely less oppressive and put them in a pretty good spot balance wise
Wasn’t captain falcon buffed quite a bit too
Pichu didn't even get many meaningful nerfs, people just realized pikachu was the better mouse all along.
bro? you forgetting diddy kong? and his terrible ass recovery?
@@Mattadork remember when charging it made you travel less distance
@@gbx4858 i still think that was by far the biggest change they made to a character, that recovery was straight up unusable
One of the biggest reason why smash buffs have been pretty meh for awhile is due to how they choose to buff characters. Sakurai mentions they base character viability by online win rates which to me is a very flawed idea. PGstats has made a chart from the online qualifiers showing how vastly different each characters win rates and pick rates are. Lucina is abysmally low due to inexperienced players coming in with a beginner competitive character skewing her results. This could be why C. Falcon has gotten so much buffs compared to lower tiered characters due to how often he's used on wifi and ends up losing. Ganon on the other hands gets barely anything due to both being a casual killer and his design as a whole is flawed. It's also possible they base character viability on both 1v1's and free for all's.
Sakurai also mentions he purposefully adds weaknesses to characters to compensate their strengths and stay true to the character i.e. Pit's air speed
While this may be the last balance patch, the smash team said they'll still be on the lookout for bugs in the future (plus amiibos need to be patched in) and there are a couple that could use one. I haven't seen anything about Sora's counter so I'm assuming he can still freeze Nana, Bayo's dair can trip on the first hit, Pit's side b armor jank, multi-hits in general (though they may never touch this), and maybe undiscovered Steve collision shenanigans on casual stages.
"plus amiibo need to be patched in"
unless Sora is getting a amiibo, all the amiibos have already been patched in.
Yeah, i really hate that they ignored that flaw in bayo's dair, that trip makes what would be a deserved kill into a big punish no matter what percentage the opponent is.
maybe they'll fix the buffering system(s), too eh?
Pikachu stays the best character in the game and Ganondorf stays the worst character in the game.
based
And we live in a society.
I mean, Little Mac used to be worse than Gannondorf before patches.
Good! While Pika is definitely cracked, they are also hard to play. Only ESAM has notable results with this character, I'm OK with the best character being prohibitively difficult to play. Ganon is a good character for new players to have some fun in FFA. You don't actually need every character to be a great competitive pick in a game with over 80 characters, you can have a pubstomper or two.
@DropkicktheDecepticon If Pika is easy, where are all the Pika players winning tourneys since he is the best character.
Sad they didnt nerf the fat rat but I'm still pretty happy about the state of the game overall
Unity is now the most hated song in the smash community
TheFatRat?
@@ndyoyo1905 pickachu
I rarely ever see the yellow rat in lobbies or even elite. its still annoying, but not a pain in the ass.
@@ayar2 I got a rat at my locals so its very annoying lmao
The problem I have with these videos is that you assume you know that these patches don't affect characters at all but they do, while albeit not completely significant they aren't inconsequential.
for example mewtwo changes (where you made to comment), the ftilit ends up killing around 10 sooner and kills mid weights around 85 near ledges with him having multiple confirms into it like unchanged shadowball/ drawdown Nair .
Or the change last patch where they buffed zeldas jab 1 to have 1 frame less lag looking like I didn't matter but it made it made jab 1 co firm into downsmash 15-25 % sooner AND they buffed downsmash knock back.
I agree that these changes aren't game changing but the game balance is already incredible for a roster of this size so no need to cause huge disturbances
Cont.
Wario jab had set ups for jablocks on plats that glutto has used several times in braket so even something that small has applications
1:37 Ice Climbers upb is now a really viable kill off the top ender for ics combos.
1:50 this makes mew2 ftilt killpower strong as shit, which is quite scary considering how big the move is
2:05 MK bair hits 1 and 2 doing 0.5% more each is alright for his bair dragdown things
4:04 the hadouken damage heavily buffs its shield pressure, letting ryu break shields from a distance by red fireball into collar breaker catching people shield dropping, and red fireball da breaking slight damaged shield. This puts a lot more threat behind red fireball in general
4:26 in terms of confirms cloud has into finishing touch:
-late utilt finishing touch is now a thing
-landing uair finishing touch is much easier and consistent now
-jablock finishing touch is now true
4:48 this was mainly bc utilt was just such a nothing move and wouldn't hit a lot of the cast crouching. I would've preferred this was the only change tbh
6:02 pretty sure it went from 10 frames landing lag to 13, which is really mean of sakurai
7:43 my thoughts are the early on patches were done with an express goal in mind:
3.0 near universally nerfed projectile shield damage, heavily nerfing most zoners as they were all generally able to shield break setup with their projectiles prepatch (i miss gunner's homing missiles dealing half shield health while being lagless)
3.1 focused on nerfing top tiers like paisy, pichu, olimar and lucina
7.0 focused on giving characters tools they didn't previously have (falco sideb confirms, puff dair loops, more doc dtilt combos etc.)
After about 8.1, the patches kinda became aimless tbh
1%+ damage will barely affect the kill % of a move. Knock back is only PARTIALLY based on move’s damage, base KB, KB growth and opponents percent all affect the total KB greater than a single % of damage more.
5:10 so you prefer another Incineroar down smash buff instead of fixing Inkling's worst move? (up tilt)
Mii Swordfighter changes caused them to remained stagnant within the lifespan of Ultimate if not worse in some ways although not significantly so. I think that is pretty fucking sad because I think Weak Chakram is one of the coolest Side-Bs in Ultimate even though it could definitely use some buffs to make it more practical. Being able to use Weak Chakram to potentially get both hits with Down Smash is visually impressive and there are other good looking follow-ups that can be done as well using Up-Air, F-air, and Down Tilt (low percentages) into other moves. Within the updates of Smash Ultimate, none of Mii Swordfighter's normals (jab, tilts, aerials, and smashes) got buffed or nerfed except for ledge attack which is absolutely insane to me considering the amount of problems I could come up with almost all of their normals alone. If they had some more representation, maybe they could have attracted more attention to the issues this character has had and still has, but now they seem to be stuck with what they have. I'm disappointed to put it lightly but they remain my favorite of the Mii Fighter Trio.
Yeah honestly why wasn't Mii Swordfighter buffed/fixed more? He has so many problems with his aerials and ground moves lol.
I want to like Swordfigther but I just can't, the only moveset that everyone uses is already very stale, and then your alternatives are 3 stab moves, one that it's just Falcon kick, another that it's just terrible and puts you in free fall and the last one is basically a non moving octaslash with Warlock punch kill power that tends to drop your opponents out of the move, there's light shuriken which only flinches oponents who are far away and you can't even change the angle or anything, there's Dr. Link up b, Pyra up b that it's not as strong and doesn't snap the ledge, there's also the side b that bounces on shields like Peach side b except this one is not safe on shield and lastly you have a counter that sends up (its not a bad move among the other counters tho)
"None of the CHaracters really got improved through the Buffs"
Me, able to shot down Arcfire from my Platform to below the others at the Beginning of the Match because the first thing EVERYONE does is drop down the Platform and thus taking immediate 54% in an Easy Combo all thanks to the Arcfire Range Buff
I salute with a taunt. Because I have honor.
As for your opinion on all the patches not changing anything, you are not entirely correct. It is true that some characters who got buffs (such as Dr. Mario and Incineroar) did not really get that much better. But there are plenty of characters who sucked at the beginning in version 1.0, such as Sheik, Diddy Kong, Rosalina, Ken, Ryu, Corrin, Bowser Jr. and Captain Falcon, who are now much better characters than they were at the start of the game. I don't know if you forgot all the changes made to these characters or how bad they were at the start of the game, but they are all much better now than in version 1.0. Even Cloud, who only got a couple of buffs, was noticeably better afterwards. There are only a few characters whose buffs did not matter (namely all the heavies). However, I do agree with that they should have made some significant changes in regards to certain characters weaknesses (namely Ganondorf and Little Mac) as well as making slower characters faster, but it seems to me that the team making these changes did not want to change the speed or weight (with Mewtwo being an exception) of any of the roster, which was disappointing.
Luigi and Rob's zero-to-death combo was never patched out. I'm not sure why they didn't patch those out.
I can understand the R.O.B one, it's situational and doesn't ignore your shield like Luigi's
Wait R.O.B has a 0 death?
@@ShinyMew76 with gyro from like center stage he carries you to de ledge by z drpo recatch Nair to side b off stage
I think they tried patching Luigi a long time ago, but players just found new ways to infinite.
The problem with Sakurai's balance philosophy is that he wants characters to have strong points but also weak points, which isn't problematic by itself, but when it comes to buffing the weaker characters (like Incineroar for example) he makes their stronger points stronger and not the weaker points less weak. This is a bummer actually as not adressing a character's fatal flaws will leave them in the same spot as before whatsoever. (For example, a simple air speed buff to Incineroar would make him viable I believe.)
That's kinda the point, you can't expect to buff the slowest characters speed in any way, it's like expecting them to make Little Mac up b go higher in the air, now of course, if move that was already really good becomes better, it doesn't necessarily mean that the character itself is better, however it does mean that when does tools come into play they will reward you more to try to compensate for the characters flaws
@@diegovaldez927 If Incineroar can't approach you, it doesn't matter how much damage his up smash does or what invincibility neutral b has.
@@strangejune I did state that on my comment, just because a move gets buff it doesn't mean the character is better, but as I said, when those moves do come into play they reward you more than before, some of the buffs are indeed wierd (like the jab ones) but others like Link up smash killing earlier are good because sometimes he's up smash felt a little weak
@@diegovaldez927 do you even play this game
Link's up smash killed extremely early, what are you talking about?!
@@strangejune yeah extremely early sure.
fandom: i think kirby really needs a buff..
sakurai: inkling you said? alright!
Yeah it's unfortunate the rat never got nerfed. I wish the patches in this game were better but it's more balanced than any other smash game could hope to be. So I guess it's okay. Ike, Wario and inkling buffs though. None of those characters really needed them. Not that they did much though.
I'm glad Inkling got them because nobody really used them before, also they are my main so yay!
@@poke4074 If you're referring to competive play. No. They're still high tier though so it could've been utilized better. I main Ike but he really shouldn't have been buffed.
I like buffs that make bad moves usable, even on characters that are good. Wario's jab was dog water, its kinda lame to have dead buttons on a character. Inkling, I disagree with you on, IMO Inkling is one of the most overrated characters in the game. I literally NEVER see Inkling put up results, I feel like people have too much bias towards "fast character = good character" while in the context of the meta, there are lots of fast enough characters that have better tools than Inkling, and there are lots of slower characters with much better space control, advantage state, kill power, etc. than Inkling. Winrates probably back me up, at least that's my theory as to why they got buffed.
@@brain_tonic Realistically speaking characters get buffed and nerfed for reasons that we don't really know. Tournament results however are not really involved from what we can tell. There are a ton of characters that have really bad options that shouldn't be used that are way worse than Wario and inkling. It's good that they helped some pretty bad moves but again. There are characters that are worse who have worse moves.
@@brain_tonic Woomy
at this point i'm convinced the smash balance team runs on the logic of "i played in a local the other day and inkling lost pretty badly in semis so i'm going to buff them now"
Which patch system would you say was a better approach - Smash 4's, which could shift whole characters up or down a tier, or Ultimate's, which preferred more modest adjustments with a bias towards buffs?
I prefer Ultimate's
I’ll take Ultimate
I'd prefer if the Ultimate patches were more brave, many patches did a lot of great things for many characters but they weren't pushed to their max potential
Meta Knight Buffs + Mega Man Buffs + Ganondorf not getting any buffs = Absolute Win
Ah. Actually... I will say... The Marth buffs have been good. At least for me. With the 12.0 buffs, tipper up tilt became stronger than Ike's up tilt. Just as an example.
4:11 FUCKING YEAH! Like he dosen’t need need this but holy shit it’s so annoying when you miss a FT confirm and making it easier is going to be fun for me and annoying for everyone else.
Remember when they said they would buff online? Lol
No Kirby buffs, SAD
3:54 *proceeds to whiff the spinout
It can easily kill center stage at sub 100% against lighter characters
Now the Kingdom Hearts reference is Organization 13 + 1. +1 being Number 14, that being Xion.
1:53 I believe it's 2.0% -> 2.4% instead of 2.0% -> 1.4%. I'm not at all mad at a net 2.0% increase (5 shadow balls total), especially considering it will likely kill earlier too. Coolest looking throw in the game imo and I always thought it was a shame that it was eclipsed in utility by his other throws which are admittedly quite good. I definitely appreciate this buff
inklings neutral special was underwhelming so I'm glad it got a range buff.
It wasn't underwhelming, it's in fact a really useful tool, it's just not as good against long range characters
@@diegovaldez927 I meant underwhelming in range compared to the splattershot in Splatoon.
@@garden6008 I still don't know what you're talking about, Splattershots in splatoon don't have exceptional range except for pro
@@diegovaldez927 the move in smash wasn't too far from it is in Splatoon I just feel that now with the buff it is closer to its source material. plus for a move that doesn't do a lot of damage, it could at least have better range.
I think Inkling would’ve been cooler (and better) if the attacks that produced ink also covered the stage in ink like roller does. Even moves like down smash and f-smash. And rather than slow the opponent down, inkling would get a speed boost on inked terrain. Maybe in Smash 6…
This video was very informational, I already new all the balance changes but it was nice to get a visual on the hit boxes, ty. I do think though you didn’t have to be so negative about inkling and cloud getting buffed, you are basically saying just cause a characters is good means they shouldn’t get buffs. I understand that lower characters could use them more, but I also think balance patches like these are sometime to make a characters move or mechanic work as intended rather than serving the purpose of actually make the characters significantly better. You said it yourself that most of these patches don’t *really* make a difference to a characters viability. And we all knew Nintendo wasn’t going to *fix* the weaknesses of the bad characters in this game with this last patch, so I just don’t really see the point in complaining about it, itjust seems kinda backwards 😕.
I also dislikeed that he complained about Inkling, like the only good moves that they buff where F smash and neutral b, up tilt has failed to conect for quite a long time and they just fixed it in the last patch, F tilt is also somewhat pitiful so the extra damage is nice
The up tilt buff of inkling is HUGE, a lot of short characters could not be combo until now.
I feel like people hate Pikachu purely because people like to hate characters that are good. Like, how pernicious has Pikachu actually been to the meta? He isn't dominating the meta like top tiers of past games have. Yes, he's really good, but he's also one of the harder characters to use, and for that reason his tournament representation is pretty modest. It really feels like people are just jumping on a bandwagon to hate him, rather than actually having a good reason to do so.
It's because Pikachu's worst matchup is even.
@@strangejune A matchup is only as good as the person taking advantage of it. For anyone other than a very small group of players, those matchups aren't as good as they are in theory.
Like… why not just buff the bottom tiers and nerf the top tiers? Simple, right?
@@TheLobsterCopter5000 Doesn't matter. Even at a low level, a -2 matchup is harder to win than an even matchup.
@@jomaq9233 The unpaid intern of Ultimate's patches doesn't care that much.
I'm a Ridley main, dash attack is Ridley's main kill option at certain percents. Having it kill earlier means Ridley can consistently kill earlier than before. This actually matters quite a bit
Buffs to Ridley are always welcome
This gives the same vibe as "this floor is made of floor." No one's doubting that it's great his dash attack kills sooner, but to say it *matters* when looking at Ridley in the meta is a laughable statement. Like does it change the way Ridley plays? Does Ridley win any new matchups or does it help his losing ones? No, DA was already a kill move, and Pikachu will still go to town on Ridley. Yes, your life is easier now that you can kill earlier, but that doesn't change any of Ridley's fundamental weaknesses in any way. The better player won't even give you the chance to land dash attack.
@@BlackCatCards I mean, okay? Do they need to fundamentally change matchups or playstyle to buff a character? No. Ridley is a better character now in *every* matchup and that's really what matters to me
@@ellie8272 I’m happy for you, and that’s honestly fine. You can be happy. But that mentally disagrees with Rekzius’ entire thesis on the state of Ultimate patches in general. So saying “this buff matters quite a bit” in the context of Rezkius’ discussion is just wrong
@@BlackCatCards It makes Ridley better :)
I think Link's buffs were among the more substantial ones in Ultimate, but we'll have to see how the players make use of them.
YAY INKLING BUFFS!
This is the last balance patch, and I wanna say this, given that ive watched and appreciated all of your videos, that I was always confused as to your problems regarding the dev teams patch philosophy. To me it makes perfect sense most of the time! Going in under the assumption that huge balance changes will not happen/should not be expected, the changes make sense to me as heightening character traits. In fact, I'd say that some thoughtful changes were made. It used to be that dk's down tilt was negative on hit at low percents, but it isnt anymore
Late comment but this has got to be one of the best, funniest, and most accurate titles to a video
Rip ganon
Damn. They realy didn't fix dedede.
Inkling definitely needed buffs. Very shaky on the tier list before the buff but now, a very solid fighter
They never needed buffs. They only started to seem worse than they actually were because all the good Inklings picked up different characters while all the bad ones just continued to whine about how her up tilt can’t hit a crouching pika until Sakurai finally caved
I wish someone would do a video where they show all the changes and ALL the actual new things they can do as a result. Wait longer that's fine...
Are there going to be more hitbox videos in the future?
interesting!
No buffs for Banjo & Kazooie makes me sad 😢
Guess I might as well drop Seph and Bayo...
In the end, Pichu was the only character that got nerfed. Unjustly so.
Plant got buffed and can now use Nair out of d tilt
unfortunate that they never fixed or buffed Lucas after 4.0 and 8.0
fixing lucas and ness' shield size
Can’t believe they never nerfed Kazuya
the demon is only scary at high level, without knowing how to use him, the guy feels even slower than ganondorf.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BABY!
PROJECT M 2 HERE WE COME!
RIP project NX though
Most buffed character in the game is either diddy or falcon. Shoutouts to sheik and falco as well.
Definitely agree with the people choosing not to play Min Min bc of nerfs thing, same thing that happened with Bayo in ultimate and people are just realizing how good she is still
Ice climbers buffs are always nice. Up b is the big winner here
Can we get an ice climbers hitbox video or do you hate them too much? 😅
Boy
The life of a Kirby player is absolute pain.
Do zero suit next!
I wish the Mythra fsmash nerf went super hard and shaved off like, 8 units of knockback. And I think there's been a few truly meaning changes to characters throughout the patches. Marth, Pichu, Ken/Ryu and Palutena. I think a big patch notes retrospective might be interesting, seeing how much it shoved the meta around and compared a week 1 tier list to a settled meta tier list and see how MU mastery and patches changed the landscape of the game through the 3 years of development we had.
Inklings buffs are FIne. Ok!..
brought to you but am inkling main
Welp,looks like Kirby's F-Throw will still be useless on battlefield platforms...
0:08 Bullshit you were told that in the comments of last video
With that ends the final patch of the most disappointing Smash game up to date. Can`t wait for this game to die, and people will soon realize that this game was never good competitively in the first place.
lol, even I, who isnt really fond of competitive smash, find that statement funny.
@@ayar2 😅
minmin landing nair doesnt combo anymore, dabuz and his silly megawatt only mentality is crying but after watching him for years that character is NOT for him anyway. tbh i just use her arms for neutral and kills 99%of the time, nothing fancy just good zoning. mins game plan was always win neutral with ram ram then edgeguard/ledgetrap. not throw out 20,000 nairs and pray to connect with one. i don't care about her normals save for upb out of shield, sometimes dair, and nair as a get off me tool not as a combo tool. I do hope people complain less about her though. I initially thought when we got minmin i was gonna main her for love of the character and her game but the community overall toxic attitude toward the character spoils the fun for me. After playin her a ton I think she loses to specific playstyles, not specific characters. I have been dumped on by her worst MUs more than once just because ppl have finally learned the MU. Even at her best MinMin was never a top tier, high yes, top/broken no. I truly believe disdain for that character came from lack up MU knowledge not her tools. In older games nerfs were a death sentence for a character and I think we can all agree that at the very least more of ppls favorite characters didn't get shit on. I wish these balance patches WOULD have been more thorough, and if we are gonna get a bunch of low tier characters get 2-3 frames shaved off every move that they should have hit a lot more moves on a lot more characters, the same goes for the arbitrary knockback adjustments we have seen over the games lifespan. Many of the buffs have not been meaningful, almost wondering why they were bothering with balance patches at all. Same can be said for many of the nerfs. There were a few moves that were nerfed hard early on that would have made characters relevant in the meta that are all but afterthoughts now, any chance of being relevant from a competitive standpoint were stolen before they ever even got their chance. I don't understand these balance devs at all.
It’s kinda sad really. There’s no much jank in this game that needs fixing and yet they refuse to do anything. Do you have any idea how many hitboxes in this game do not properly align with their animations? Ultimate is a good game and it’s impressive how much content it has, but I feel their refusal to truly sit down, analyze each character, and fix the jank is what will always keep Ultimate from being a great game.
The pits nair comes to mind. It’s really sad how those 2 have been left behind on almost every single patch. The best thing that ever happened to them is taking off all that end lag on bair. On this final patch they managed to buff the best of the 3 links, inkling who was already considered great and falco, who’s never had trouble with hitboxes that I’m aware of. In fact his hitboxes are ridiculously generous.
Lmao this game is a jank fest smash will never be balance
@@ken7007 I have to agree. I love the game but I’ve had a lot of matches robbed from me.
It feels like everyone was calling for Pika nerfs bc the top players ranked Pika as number 1 and complained about esam tbh. Besides pancaking what would you even nerf? If you nerfed his moves he would be considered dysfunctional by the casual playerbase-which is most of you reading this. Hardly anyone plays the character as is even though he’s supposedly been the best in the game for the entirety of Ultimate’s lifespan. Bandwagon and cap imo.
Smash kinda refuses to make weak aspects of characters stronger, like how Incin is meant to be strong but super slow, so they instead buff his already-great damage, which does very little.
It works for some characters, like Ryu is a zoner so they make his zoning tools better, it works fine. But what does Ridley gain from an extra 1.5% on Dash Attack and 5% on Skewer? Ike is a slow character who is easy to zone and exploit during his recovery, so they... Buff his Jab's damage. Little Mac is a hot mess overall, so they... Make Down Smash break shields a little easier. Like, they're fine buffs, they would honestly be okay as some extra icing, but that would only be if they're accompanied by actual meaningful changes
Wow Nothing really has changed at all.
Gotta love it when the team does absolutely nothing but buff Pikachu.
I love ESAM and all competitive Pikachu players, but can we all admit it is just increasingly more toxic how much the game devs play favoritism to the little rat?
Eh, I don’t think them playing favoritism with Pokémon is what explains it. They nerfed PT a while back and Lucario and Incenaroar both aren’t particularly good
@@lilacrain3283 Oh no I meant pokemon as in just Pikachu. Maybe I should change it to the electric rat
@@MrFancyDragon Now my comment looks foolish 😔
@@lilacrain3283 You’re fine lol
if the Rat is broken, then why is Esam the only one using it in any significant way?
Still upset Ganondorf, one of the worst characters in the game from how many bad matchups he has, didn’t get a single buff in, if I remember correctly, all of Ultimate.
Inkling isn’t that solid.
Honestly these have been probably some of the worst patches I’ve ever seen to a game.
6:43 It's not less awful that way, it's made worse, what? Also, your least favourite move? Seriously? Are people like, consistently footstool comboing you or something?
7:05 uhhh why? Like, Mythra's annoying I'll give you that but what did Pyra do?
You're thinking from the perspective of someone who plays Aegis for your first point, and from the perspective of their *characters* for the second.
Rekzius is speaking from the perspective of *having to play against Aegis,* both for the first and second points.
@@misirtere9836 Uh, no I'm not. First of all, we're talking about frame data here. If it's made less awful it's made more good and thus more annoying. Second off, I'm not talking about the characters for the second one I'm talking about the playstyles. Mythra just does these long comboes that do 40% to you while you're barely able to do anything, it's annoying. Pyra just kills you. It's much preferable.
@@JoelTheParrot Making a move less awful *TO PLAY AGAINST* means making it worse. Which is what was done here.
@@misirtere9836 Yeah, but they just said less awful, no modifier. I get what they mean, but it's an obnoxious way of saying it, and there's better ways. Add the modifier, just change it to "Making it worse", maybe use a word that can't be used to indicate a lower quality such as saying it's "Less annoying" or "Less spammy" (Though to be fair it's not very spammy, MAYBE online but that seems like a stretch), there's better ways of saying it.
Note how only the first party dlc's got nerfed lmao
Steve wants to know your location.
Seriously, though, Steve is not from Nintendo and got nerfed, the only other DLCs that got nerfed were Min-Min and Pyra & Mythra (not Byleth), and none of the third-party DLCs got buffed (in fact, none of the DLCs got buffed), so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@bhull242 Joker got Arsene, airlial gun and side b nerfed
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Forgot about him, but that does help my point.
@Shake Man the hell youre talking about, the Professor has received nothing but buffs since 2020.
Min Min's first set of nerfs were understandable.
Her second set of nerfs were questionable.
But this last set of nerfs were COMPLETELY unwarranted, and no matter how much you hate the character you have to agree that she didn't deserve to be beaten down as much as she did.
Oh yes she did, you should not be able to have a lingering hurtbox that kills on the entire other side of the stage AND NOT EVEN BE REFLECTABLE. There is no reason min min should have a good landing nair, fsmash was way too op for how long it reached
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg
@@ShinyMew76 more considering how at the start she didn't have penalties for her long ranged smash attacks in comparison to other characters, like Bayo or Megaman who have a lower damage multiplier and still they have less range and more lag than her, so it was deserved.
@@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764 Yeah I think mega man’s only good up close options are dash attack, dtilt, and utilt. Uptilt Being a good KO option but has high endlag, dtilt being a sliding attack, and dash attack is a bit more situational
@@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764 And we all know what happened with bayo
Inkling is a solid character who didn’t need any minor buffs? Yeah… sooo many Inkling mains out there…
Sorry man, but that Inkling rant out of nowhere felt hella whiny. Haven’t seen an inkling since 2019, no cap.
What the hell man? It keeps getting worse. Has he always been this whiny, and I only JUST noticed it? Holy shit, man.
“We heard your complaints Rekzius, and in this minor adjustment patch, we did something brand new for the first time! It cost thousands of dollars and hundreds of employee hours, but we just deleted Pyra’s Side-B. We were told the move was some guy’s ‘least favorite move in ALL SMASH HISTORY!’ So we felt it was the right call. Side-B is now a Counter!”
wario jab buff gave him jab lock setups...also nobody really thinks inkling is that good anymore. It isn't 2018
wario was buffed and so was cloud, both considered better than inkling at this time and you didn't rant about them for 20 seconds