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YES lmaoooo
So, how does he really feel about triggers? L😂❤
@@ccrider8483 He said that triggers are fine...
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You hit the nail on the cav, daddy
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Lol nice to see you here Seamus. Your one of my favorite drummers! 😊
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Best thing triggers created were fart-drums oh yuuurrrr
Thanks for the mention 💪🏻
Keep it up master
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It's deserved. You're a killer drummer. You have one of my favorite styles.
I'm glad he mentioned you. I had never heard you before but man, you kick some serious ass...and bass drums!! Keep the videos coming!!
I’m still waiting for my steak… is it done yet?
As someone with an electronic kit, the tiniest error is noticeable, especially on snare work. It’s a kit with triggers, but no acoustics to help.
That’s the first thing I tell non-drummers, who claim that the use of triggers is “cheating”, is that there is nowhere to hide when drumming with triggers.
Hi hats too, you can be kinda sloppy when doing hi hat work and it’ll still sound acceptable on an acoustic kit, but you apply that same technique on an electric kit and it’ll quickly force you to clean your playing to make it sound good
It depends on what you have instructed the computer to do with the signal coming from the triggers - you can start Brahms requiem with a goof...
When I first started using triggers, it actually highlighted how sloppy my kicks actually were (since I could hear each hit clearly) so it greatly increased my accuracy, then came the speed
I guess the accuracy and performance is even better with quantizing and adding audio events in the DAW?
If you can't play acoustic drums then you are not a drummer...
I was going to say, Craig Reynolds said that triggers can make you a better drummer sometimes because you hear everything
@@michaelwlodek1548 It's really bad if you can't hear what you are playing without amplification?
Triggers are mainly used in the industry for easy conversion of your "audio" to digital events in the computer that can be edited - quantized, moved and changed in a DAW.
It's like auto tune for rhytm.
Why play badly when you can let a machine fix it?
@magnushallin3640 people quantize their snare too without a trigger being involved. Hell whole kit can be quantized without triggers. So it's not really a shortcut there either.
I like the mix of acoustic drum and trigger like how Charlie is playing on that Pantera tribute tour. I think he uses like 60% his drums and 40% Vinny's triggered sound.
I've never understood how anyone could "cheat" at something that's not a game/sport/competition. It's like saying digital art is cheating - the intended result is enjoyment or conveying a thought/idea/message, not who can use paint and bristles best.
because musical performance is a major part of music culture, idk how is that even remotely hard to understand
@@benjamindover8221Cry harder
Say you went to a gig and enjoy it, but find out that the drummer was using triggers. Would demand your money back because he cheated in his musical performance?
@@DSprich no
@@DSprichI get what you mean art is to provoke a conversation. It's why even tho I hate modern art it's still art as its achieved its goal. Hope I got it right what you was getting at
one benefit of triggers are that you don’t need the most expensive drums to sound great. i work in a venue with a capacity of 1000. 95% of the time the drums are just mic‘ed up and like 85% of the time the drums just sound bad because drummers try to replicate these „typical“ fat modern drum sounds where they end up failing and the drums sound shit. a few days ago there was a pop act playing and the drummer had a cheaper kit (under 1000€) but he just got some really nice drum samples and the drums sounded great.
so triggers arent only for metal drummers but in general a great buy for anyone who wants to sound great for a low price.
your first sentence resume ALL
I'd say it would be better if drummers weren't lazy fucks that didn't bother to tune their instruments properly.
Yeah but triggers sound like a typewriter not a bass drum
@@drumsofviolence Superior Drummer 3 , just search information bro:)
@@dariomulan1646 drums are not an electronic instrument
I'm just a casual drummer so I have no professional opinion here, but I'm a guitarist but I look at this drum trigger thing the same way I view digital tuners and pedals for guitar. As you said, it won't make you be able to play something you have not developed the technique for, but it can open up completely new sounds, options, and even genres. I have no problem with any of that as music is music and these things open up the creativity of the musician. I also like not having to have a full pedal board and amp rig just for practicing in my living room or just playing with ideas.
Eloy made Slipknot, well played.
I'm waiting for El Estepario's victory lap because he did indeed call it weeeeeks ago. Maybe he's holding off for the official announcement?
I'm waiting for exactly the same thing bro. But yeap, now we have the band confirmation. C'mon Estepario! I need to see you saying: I SAID! Lmao
@@Nefville he is a friend of Eloy. you can't claim "i called it" when you got it from the horses mouth.
@@Nefville *months
@@robin3 If you think Eloy told him...I have an ancient civilization to sold you
One of the bigger staples in live sound is to sidechain the gates on the drums to triggers this way they are being opened by the vibration of the head and not the SPL of the kit and competing cymbals. It allows you to run the thresholds a lot lower.
Great video!! So glad someone at you level addressed this. And I love how you are trying to bring us drummers together!!
It’s rare to have someone negate their own argument in their own examples.
I was thinking the same. If you can't hit the drum hard enough to go as fast as you are going and you use a crutch to make it work, then I would assume that's cheating.
Hard to believe I’m only the 9th person to like this comment! Perhaps what was said in the video just flew past other people’s heads.
@@skunkybudtoker9092 have you been with a drummer in a rehearsel room playing blastbeats ?
What is explained in the video is true.
You cant get the kick have the same volume and have the same punch when you play 150 bpm or 300.
Its just not possible.
All a trigger does is playing a sample through a midi signal.
That always has the same volume.
Like you would play a synth instead of an acoustic piano.
You need the skills there is no cheating possible.
Cause when the drummer cant keep a rythm.
It shows big time.
When timing is inconsistant.
It shows.
And when the drummer cant hit the snare properly
The trigger can even misfire and thats even worse.
So you need talent and experience to play with triggers.
It's kind of ironic that the same people who play V Kits at home would have an issue with triggers. I mean the tech has come so far. These people didn't grow up with those Cheesy ass Simmon Pads. The other irony, of course, being just how many records have either replaced the or embellished the drums with samples. ( How many albums have the same Steven Slate Kick and Snare samples on them? ) A cool aspect of those trigger is that Charlie Benante can go out and play those Panters shows with Vinnie's drum sounds actually going out to the audience,
Thank you for putting this up. I laughed through a lot of it. I currently have a Roland VAD kit so it looks like a real kit. There's people that don't believe that they're electric and when they find out I've gotten the hate and had to explain this very things to them
Amen! Triggers only cheat sound and do not cheat stroke. Now, if you are a drummer who is keen on nuances of natural hits and want playing dynamics, then do not use triggers.
I mean... you can blend the trigger sound at whatever level you like with the natural mic'd sound, or even take the triggers out of the mix for some songs.
Go electric if you want Dynamic triggering.
"and want playing dynamics". that IS music
As someone who's used e-kit and acoustic kits before, if you fuck up with triggers it sticks out like crazy. Prefering a natural sound is one thing but it has nothing to do with skill, several of my all time favorite drummers use triggers.
As a sound engineer triggers are great for live, because sometimes the drummers kit might not translate well on a live venue stage, or there’s no time to tune the actual drums.
What you're saying is if a drummer doesn't have consistent kicks it's difficult to deal with so you would prefer a trigger which takes the inconsistence out of the equation. Technology replacing skill.
@@internettoughguy a trigger does not replace the playing of a musician to trigger simply change the sound that is produced when the drummer hits the drum, so It doesn’t change the ability of the drummer there is no corollary between the drummer’s ability to play, and the sound produced from the sound from a trigger. I guess you might be confused, but that’s a fact so.
@@internettoughguy the comment was referring to if the actual instrument of the drum itself is out of tune or the drum heads are old a trigger can help. Sorry if that was confusing. Still again nothing to do with the ability of the drummer in ANY way.
@@ZebraandDonkey Drum triggers are velocity sensitive...as I'm sure you know. This means you can "trigger" the exact same sampled sound and volume regardless of how hard or fast the drummer hits the base drum. This means that ALL their hits will sound consistent....even if they are not. So yes, triggers can definitely mask an inconsistent player...I should know because I am one.
To play devil's advocate here... Is it possible to set a trigger to play multiple notes from a single kick? Like to play four hits per single note actually played ? I have no knowledge of this I was just guessing that is how people say triggers are cheating
Funnilly enough I used to only use triggers for my metal gigs, but now I use them for ALL my gigs because it's super consistent, makes mixing easy, always sounds great and there's never any feedback or gain issues: everyone's happy. Superb video! 👏🏻
drum triggers are like delay pedals for guitar:
enhance the sound when mixed
enhance the errors
sounds bad when full wet
The problem I have with using triggers is that a lot of guys will use just the MIDI information and then quantize and speed up the track...but act like they are just adding depth to the kick and/or snare...just practice dynamics...if it's too fast then GET GUUD...just like AutoTune or punching in on tracks, it's cheating...these are all reasons why a lot of bands sound like crap live; they rely on studio "magic" when they should just practice
I used triggers. The best part about them was I had a plethora of percussive sounds to choose from, without having to spend a billion dollars and find a place to store them. It opened up the floodgates of ideas. I could incorporate some tribal beats with congos and bongos. I could add screeches, and anvils, and explosions, and even rap bass drops. Something I could replicate in my live performances as well, without having 300 different drums on the stage. It was an absolute game changer. Not to mention my kick drum was so powerful and clean and easy to amplify. It's not cheating in any way.
I would rather argue that modern music production has become overall too optimized; lyrics are recorded in takes, same with guitar, bass and drums. There used to be a time where the band met in a studio, got all wired up and played the whole album as if it was a concert. Nowadays, you can produce the next number 1 track without any of the involved musicians ever entering the same room.
I mean I like my bands, but they also overproduce; they have virtually no limits on the availability of their tools and it shows. But I also appreciate smaller artists who make the best out of scarcity. It's two entirely different flavors.
The funniest thing was when I explained that my triggers are like using an EKIT and the guy I was telling it to uses e kits often. His face looked embarrassed with a mixture of a “oh shit” moment
I’ve always used a double kick pedal instead of two separate kick drums. I can’t tell you how many times in the last 30 years I’ve heard someone say that’s cheating. I’ve been pretty good at ignoring it and chalking it up to ignorance, but it still drives me batty.
I remember doing soundcheck for Nile back in 2004/2005 and asked the drummer to hit the kick so I could get his levels right in the drum fill next to him. Hit it once. Double bass blast for a few beats. Apologized. Cut his module off. Laughed. It was both sad and hilarious at the same time.
I think triggers aren't cheating because music isn't a competition, but it is an artform, and triggers are a tool to enhance one's drumming
And I like this analogy
There's digital drawing and then there's the classical drawing
Some people prefer digital while some prefer the classical way, and there are some advantages to digital drawing, if you make a mistake, you can easily rectify it, but digital drawing doesn't make your art skills better, if you are a bad artist your drawings will be bad, similarly triggers are like that it solves the problem of going fast and keeping dynamics, but if you play bad everything will sound bad as estepario said
This is like the age old discussion of folks saying "oooh such n such is the best drummer in the world!" Or "that guy is the best guitarist in the world".
Its a complete fallacy.
If there could ever be the best in the world at a musical instrument you need to know and be able to play hundreds of different styles of music and thousands of different styles to play them all.
FInd me a drummer/bassist/guitarist etc that can play all styles of music with equal ability in purpose, passion, feel and nuance...They dont exist.
For me it is the attack. With ear protection in a band setup I don't hear the attack of the bass drum anymore because of the low frequencies. I start to play sloppy or stomp to hard to get the attack up and burn myself up in no time. This is not a problem when I play alone and hear myself better or without ear protection. Or with a trigger with a higher pitched base sound
The concept is "I can play one note, and the trigger outputs 5 notes", so naturally, it seems like cheating. Like if I was playing guitar, and I suck at gallop picking, I could activate a trigger that allows me to play one note, and It outputs a perfect gallop triple pick, then I just have to play 1 note in time with the song while the trigger does the rest. But what I am hearing here is "It's insanely hard to play [insert insane BPM for drummers] so we use triggers to supplement these extreme passages". Correct?
As a novice keyboardist, I hook up to my Mpc one and I can make some pretty good beats (drum parts, solos and I don’t know how to play drums), songs, or other miscellaneous music. It just makes life easier PERIOD. Life is hard enough, use anything at your disposal it’s not cheating.
I'm glad distortion pedals for guitar didn't get hated on like drum triggers do.
Distortion is part of the instrument in many cases, unlike triggers, a guitar setup and amp incapable of producing distortion is incomplete, however a drum kit with triggers is perfectly complete.
@@olliemills1234 But it makes you sound different than you would have. Tell Meshuggah that their instruments are complete without distortion.
Edit: Or maybe it's pickups that are the "trigger" of the guitar community. I'm glad pickups aren't hated on like triggers are.
totally different. not replacing anything. if you add reverb to a drum you still. have the drum, if you trigger a drum, you lose the sound and dynamic of the human to large degree/
@morbidmanmusic Ah, so it's ok to artificially color the sound... sometimes. Got it.
That reverb is simulating a drum that rings more than it's actually ringing, simulating being in a concert hall or large room when you're really just in your mom's basement. That's cheating!
In the 1832 the flute was invented by theobald boehm, this instrument was one of the first to use keys on a woodwind instrument. Other instruments had been made with keys, yes, but they weren’t effective or reliable enough to be used in concert. Boehm created a key system with such precise tone hole placement, that when modern day scientists tried to predict what the perfect placements would be, it was only slightly better than boehm’s design. It was incredible.
Despite this, many stayed behind, continuing to use the predecessors to the modern day flute. We are seeing the same thing today, with actuated instruments such as the electric guitar, bass guitar, and now even drum kits. Whether we like it or not technology and time will do its work.
I can confirm that - i remember a drummer (many years ago) who wanted to use my triggers, but had no experience with triggering. It was a real mess - I felt sorry for him and his band.
Because drummers, especially aged, mediocre ones, like myself, are analog kids in the digital age, and therefore resistant to change. But, in order to survive or even keep up, we are forced to embrace it. I completely agree with your analysis. I'm learning a lot from you. This old fart is subscriber to your show. Bravo, young man. I still love playing my kit.
You should have added an example of triggering something on drums. If anything, double bass got harder because my little taps or mistakes became much louder.
I am so happy when I came back from my break from drumming, there are good triggers that go under the pedals and I just got them. Haven't had one Tom or snare fucking cause a misfire. Fucking god damn that was annoying with the clip on.
Stil remember Slipknot's soundcheck at Roskilde in ... 2004? The TAP TAP - TAPPETYTAP of the bass drum, all at one velocity and NO dynamics whatsoever. Sounded good in the final audience mix though!
9:40 exactly. Back in 2008-2011ish I was playing in a deathmetal band, and everyone was using triggers. I don't remember there being a negative stereotype about them back then, at least in that community. I'm also not a drummer though, so maybe I just didn't see it haha.
IMO it'd be more accurate to say "triggers alone are not inherently cheating." They can def help smooth over a drummer with inconsistent dynamics. For instance you can set the dynamics curve to output only a particular range. Let's say you set the velocity range at 90-120, even the most tiny miniscule hit will output a nice loud strike. This can make multi-strokes on something like a floor tom significantly easier.
I think the bigger issue is quantization, both for triggered and mic'd drums. For triggers alone, you still have to hit the drum at the right time. But when you start locking notes to the grid or manually placing them in the right spot that's something else entirely.
I remember when I was taking drum lessons they changed one of the drums to have electric triggers hooked up to the computer and I always hated the feeling of those. I would always ask my drummer teacher to change drums set with me haha 😂
V-drum player here... After playing an acoustic kit for 20 years, I went to v-drums, which for the version I have, is a small wooden shell with a mesh head and an electronic trigger system inside the shell. Once I went down this road, I can't imagine ever going back to acoustic drums. I can have 100 drum kits in one, and I can change my sound in an instant. I can also record with the push of a button. V-drums do not correct errors, they do not make you sound better. IMO, they tend to show more errors due to their sensitivity and strokes need to be more precise.
BTW - An electric guitar is essentially an acoustic guitar with triggers (the pickups). And effects pedals are triggers too. Yikes...
I’ve never thought of triggers as cheating, but I’ve always hated them. Ghost notes are almost never there with triggers.
I love whatever dave Lombardo was doing with Slayer in the 80's. Was he using triggers?
There is one important thing. If you compare musicians like in a contest, it's poisoned. The whole subject is about to make music what people like, and that's it, nothing more. It's not a competition, it's about to have fun as a musician or listener. Nothing else really matters. By the way, same thing about piano; if you try out a real hammered big boy, it's so hard to play on that fast. Much easier to play on plastic keys, but those who get used to play fast on real pianos, usually cannot play that fast on a synth and vice versa. Does it count? No.
The most apt comparison, which no one dares to make, would be with autotune.
Drum triggers are the autotune for drummers.
I'm not saying there's no legitimacy to autotune, but that's the most honest comparison to other major technical changes that affect an instrument. Electric guitars, foot pedals or even picks as a comparison are really ridiculous.
What triggers and autotune have in common is that it actively corrects something that is essential for playing and mastering the instrument.
A key element of drumming is being able to play both hands at the same volume or maintain a constant volume (if u want to). Like a singer who has to learn to hold a note for a certain amount of time. Autotune may correct a bit more for singers than trigger does for drummers, but this is the closest and most honest comparison because it actively corrects an important element of playing the instrument.
Agreed, it really doesn’t matter, does it? Music isn’t a competition, any tool that helps people make / play music is a good thing. Even if it magically corrected crappy playing, music should be about vibes. Use whatever you want.
It’s just a way for people to negate someone or something to promote themselves or somebody else. The sad fact is that it doesn’t even have to be proven in today’s society, people will believe anything if you say it with enough conviction and confidence… this is why we still have grifters and cults
Dude, I'm a guitarist and I love your videos. You're an amazing drummer and more importantly, you are an amazing human being. The world needs more people like you. Keep that shit up
Do you ever try to do dobles on the feet? bro thats not easy at all, its not like put triggers and go 300bpm, there is a technic behind
A lot of triggers are used for genres like slam and grind used as a tool so we have more drummers then samples ☝🏼
I have had this exact sort of issue with my band recently. A lot of the gigs are smaller so we take a cajon or an electronic drum pad stand-alone. I have no problem with this because I was from the 80s so that cool sounds that we had that were much appreciated in New Wave music or electronic music were awesome to have. I used to play a lot of rush and then I went to a practice with the band that played new wave and the girls ran up to me and said are you the new drummer? I simply said yes I am and I have changed to being a much more versatile drummer and have more fun with music. I appreciate all kinds of music and I suggest people stop considering it a competition and more an art form. And let's just have fun.
Main point is, music is art.
You can do literally anything to sound like anything.
The martial discipline gives you access to the club, but if you want to form your own club, where everything is digital, then do it.
Thank you for the message brother! Sending much love to you.
The drumming community needed this video. I’m so sick and tired of the constant hate on triggers. Thank you!
Wouldn’t triggers affect your ability to express using varying power levels? It sounds like it takes away certain nuances that can only be achieved naturally. I see similar reasons for why most drummers don’t use e-kits.
Holy Shit! Great news! I was able to see SOAD in 2005 and will never forget it. Excellent show!
It's when you hear them on kick drums live at gigs....YUK!!!!
Esto me recuerda a los pedales de delay en una guitarra "Si la cagas, lo vas a escuchar repetirse a si mismo hasta el infinito".
The 30 day drum challenge u just started is awesome , learned so much already thanks 🤘🤘 I missed out on the opportunity to get the pad tho , signed up a couple days too late ⏰
This happen when you want to preserve the drum's dinamics, the trigger kill every dinamics like a compressors for Guitar players. This Is the reason why many drummer don' t use trigger... Me too😅
I have never used triggers, never been able to afford them and the audio samples on a laptop and all that so I just play my acoustic kit raw as is. I do wish my double kick could be faster but without triggers this is all I can do.
Hello brother, I'm a drummer and mixing engineer from Brazil ( Eloy 🇧🇷💪🏻)
I agree with everything you said, they are different beauties.
Now talking about mixing, what's your opinion on using samples to replace the real drum sound?
There are drummers who like it and drummers who are offended by it.
I'm asking this, because from what I understand, you use samples in some videos, is that correct?
Keep doing this incredible work!!!🙌🏻
The guitar community is equally traditional and closed minded when it comes to change and innovation. It's a miracle electric guitars are even accepted considering how much they push back on innovation and I've built, repaired and sold electric guitars. Honestly. I love innovation and change. It's what pushes us forward. Embrace it.
Eloy's bass drum rolls feel like laying down on the ground in an earthquake
Los triggers en vivo son un alivio cuando tocas en un evento con muchas bandas, además aseguras sonido. Lo que se estila, a no ser que toques en una banda realmente veloz, es mezclar el sonido natural del bombo con el trigger, para asegurar ataque, y que se pueda diferenciar con el resto de los tambores. No todos los bateristas son como Eloy Casagrande.
Saludos compatriota hispano! Thank you for talking about this subject, I recently payed homage to Joey and Eloy on a drum cover and man, I gotten so much uniformed hate because I use triggers and play doubles. Hopefully this will educate some of these “True drummers” that don’t even remember that Joey also used triggers latter in his career! Un abrazo 💪🏽
So true, you cant cover up any missteps with the acoustics of the drum itself with triggers. Pretty much like using effects on a guitar, you F up and it standing out like dogs balls... Well unless you reverb the hell out of it which is absolute blasphemy 🤣
love all the knowledge you give in this video, drum triggers only really cheat power, not any fast and funky grooves
Vinnie paul used to use triggers on his bass drum because he loved how it sounded, if a Texan can get behind triggers so can everyone else
I mean you could technically play a bass drum with trigger that do another hit afterward by itself (reducing the need of a double bass drum and hitting less note). You also loose the feeling of the drum if any hit (strong or weak) makes the same sound. I don't like trigger but if you use it like a guitar pedal whatever.
Preach the things that need to be said that people don't want to hear, But absolutely need to hear! Stay Classy EES
My left leg has always been weaker than the right. one trigger even it out.
Jay weinberg had triggers on every bloody drum that was on stage
I'm wondering if all of these drummers who don't want to use triggers use microphones on their drums? When playing live of course I'm sure back then there were also many purists who were against this as well
I didn't know people considered that cheating, It's basically like an effect pedal for a guitar, I don't get where the cheating comes from.
Those were some very wise words, keep being awesome bro!
You can't "cheat" at art. Music isn't a competition.
Also: You should investigate the wonders of dynamics. It's a thing where you play notes at different volumes, not just full blast all the time.
I did not know there was opposition to triggers. Regardless, triggers can't hide subpar playing, and that's what really counts.
Great explanation. One thing that you did not address is the ease of ability to quantize triggered drums. I even find myself having doubts about your videos now and then when you perform something mind-bendingly tight. Are you truly performing that tightly, or are you giving yourself that extra boost in post? This is not an accusation, just highlighting an area that I feel births a lot of bad-faith arguments against triggers and the drummers that use them.
Tienes toda la razón, tuve un compañero baterista, que cuando lo grabamos con triggers salió a la luz lo malo que era con el doble bombo, así también yo, cuando yo grabé por primera vez una canción rápida me di cuenta de lo mal que lo hacía con el doble bombo, los Triggers no hacen a nadie tocar mejor, los pueden hacer sonar mejor. Saludos
So you're part right about triggers.... there's a few things many people ignore about triggers, and that is, if you WANT TO, you can set the velocity settings of your drum module to be realistic, making your quiet trigger hits quiet, and your loud hits loud. People forget that many drummers who use triggers use them with "normal" velocity settings. A second point: and this is the most important. There is ONE TECHNIQUE that gives you speed AND POWER, and the more you RELAX, the faster you get, and the more you RELAX, the louder you get. That's SINGLE-STROKE HEEL-TOE. NOT heel-toe DOUBLES. Not the same volume capabilities. And the bonus round is, SINGLE STROKE HEEL-TOE IS FASTER THAN HEEL-TOE DOUBLES. I went for many many years with acoustic drums and electronic. I used acoustic live and electronic in the studio, then switched to electronic live and acoustic in the studio and nobody noticed. Its is a SAD FACT that most people set up their kick pedals to be INEFFICIENT. Not WRONG, no, but INEFFICIENT for speed and volume.... Combining a GOOD pedal set-up with single-stroke heel-toe will give you the dynamics control and speed you want, and you won't have to rely on triggers or compressors on microphones to make your fast and slow kick work sound even. SADLY, not many drummers even know how to DO single-stroke doubles, and they never give them much of a CHANCE, because it is difficult to achieve the coordination required to get the strokes even. BUT ONCE YOU DO, you have unlimited speed and power at your toe-tips! It is what it is.... And also, none of these techniques are new. push-pull, heel-toe, swivel, floating foot, ankle, none of them are new. All of them are old jazz techniques, and they didn't start showing up on the metal scene til drummers like SEAN REINERT of CYNIC AND DEATH came along with their jazz approach to metal drumming.
And b/c of triggers that is why soooooo many metal bands sound exactly the same. Which is horrible.
So are you saying you could use triggers to sound like a trumpet or any other instrument while you drum? Cuz that seems like a largely unexplored space.
this sounds no different than if a guitar had the strings touching the fret so it would make you faster if you didnt have to actually press it..or if you didnt have to pluck the string because it would slow you down more than if you just had to touch the string with the pick...
I wish someone would address Pearls mounting system. It’s fucking terrible and it’s ALWAYS a Pearl for a house gig ffs
“Everyone did it this way for so long, I did it this way so you have to too” Gatekeeper
Love monitoring with them with Roland Tm2, but never out front as I prefer kick drum sound
All I have to say is check out Wanja Nechtan Gröger. He is a master at Extreme Metal drumming and his videos have proven that certain techniques used across all subgenres, that have been invented for triggers, do not produce the same power and dynamic control on acoustic heads. Imho, it's not cheating in the sense that you don't have to be consistant and produce strokes. It's "cheating" in that all you're responsible for is consistant bpm and hitting the head just enough to register. You no longer have to worry about dynamic volume control / the power to resonate while maintaining speed.
So some people calls triggers cheating?
By that logic every guitar player who uses pedals like distortion is cheater. Or singer using with delay efect is also cheater.
The is no correct way to create art. If you are criticizing someone else on their grind, you are not honing your own. The only time you should offer criticism is constructively. Any one drummer being better than another is simply a matter of opinion. Maybe one is better technically, and another is better musically. I'm just happy we have so many flavors to chose from
Parece que,por estos días,a algunos la música les parece una competencia física,en lugar de un esfuerzo creativo...
No es el resultado y lo que nos hace sentir,lo que solia importar?
Es un crack el estepario.
The most honest drummer on the planet, prove me wrong! "Be a grown man, don't be a bitch"
I've been a bass player for over 30 years. I find it funny but also disheartening that drummers are at war with each other, especially on the topic of triggers. Again, I only play bass but I've always known that triggers can change the sound. I'm not sure why drummers think that it increases speed. I feel like anyone who plays drums that thinks that triggers increase speed is not really a drummer but a poser.
Wow! At first I seen El Este's one handed videos and I thought. Ok great just chops and a show off. Turns out they were requested and after seeing twwo hand videos and how versitile he is. He is now my favorite drum instructor and influencer. He is a drum brother across the world.
This is a great video. He has great advice.
66Samus is the #1 video on "triggers". This video is in the 4th spot, at least for me.
Keyboards are cheating. You didn't play the violin, piano guy.
Cheating.
This guy is a gem!! What a badass!
Yep, and no one looking to create music actually cares...
If you're trying to be a "drummer", then yeah it's cheating, if you're trying to produce/create music, it just doesn't matter how you get there.
It has been said a million times already. I've heard it first 15-20 years ago.
Saying triggers is cheating is like saying all electric instruments are cheating. Guitar 🎸, bass, keyboards 🎹, electric violins 🎻, etc. it’s really dumb.