for anyone unaware, Alaska Airlines cut costs on maintenance and a bolt (i think) became worn out in the tail, eventually coming lose sending the plane plummeting into the ocean, the pilots did a great job fighting the plane, even trying to fly upside down in the final moments
yea rusty jackscrew because of exactly that lack of maintenance when they asked for a block to troubleshoot the thread literally ripped away leaving that stuck elevator.
It was the jackscrew that controlled the upward and downward movement of the horizontal stabilizer, due to lack of lubrication from poor maintenance the threads of the jackscrew stripped out which released the horizontal stabilizer causing the aircraft to pitch down in which recovery was not possible.
@@jamesb1988 it's crazy that they didnt give the importance to that system, which is crucial for the aircraft keep flying. We working on the 737 NG and we are performing a hospital cleaning on the jackscrew, a detailed visual inspection on all the attachments plus the jackscrew itself for any kind of damage, plus proper lubrication. It's an easy job that takes not more than 2h. RIP to those passengers and crew..
That’s correct. It was a jack screw in the horizontal stabilizer trim that they didn’t replace. While not replacing it they also didn’t lubricate it and it finally separated from the acme nut and sent the plane into a dive. The whistle blower John Liotine told the FAA that Alaska airlines supervisors were falsifying records indicating maintenance had been done when in fact it had not to cut corners. Very sad story.
From comments on official full versions of the older episode (this clip is from a different version, and is likely recent, while the original one appears to be much older), other planes with T-Tails have two jackscrews for this reason.
It was horror for our younger staff on the pier receiving plane and body parts that day. I was stationed at port operations for the u.s. navy at that time..
this accident is really sad because they didn't succeed and there was only a few dollars of oil from the gears, it killed 88 people and the most valuable pilots
For the following reasons, I am not a fan of the new episode: -The pilots are off script when referring to the actual cockpit voice recording transcripts. -The episode failed to mention why the airline stretched intervals on maintenance -Failed to mention how the FAA forced airlines operating DC-9s, MD-80s, 90s and 717s to inspect there jackcrews and how they uncovered that 6 MD-80s operated by Alaska Airlines needed jackscrews replaced. -What happened to John Liotine (suspended for job) -Certain maintenance personal suspended from the company for falsifying records. To me the episode was rushed.
The full episode also mentions the fact that both engines, eventually, lost power but never explained why. Once the episode mentioned engine failure I thought to myself, "Yep, that's it. They're done." Freaking shame.
Maybe it's just me, maybe because I haven't watched this new remake yet, maybe because I've watched the first one so many times, but it seems the Season one pilot actors showed a bit more passion in their acting? These ones sound like they are reading from a script. I may be wrong though. Update: After finally getting my hands on the remake, I've come to the conclusion that indeed the pilot actors in "Cutting Corners" - in my own opinion - showed more passion in their acting than "Pacific Plunge". This is not to take away from the episode as a whole. Better graphics, new information that I was not aware of from watching the old episode, and I liked the touch where they showed the plane falling inverted from the distance as the other plane watched in the foreground. I just felt the old actors portrayed more urgency, more naturalness in their acting. These new ones sounded too calm...too rehearsed. There was not enough passion in them for me.
@@SimPilotMika I hear that sometimes, in your last moments, a sudden calmness comes over you as you know it's the end. I may have watched too many movies or read too much fiction, but I believe that may be what was being portrayed. But the acting of the vertical and inverted dive to the end in Cutting Corners was more intense. The chaos of those last moments were as close to the real thing. The actors were actually inverted. The noises, things falling around them, I even noticed the headsets of the actor portraying the copilot fall off.
The show's earlier seasons were a lot more dramatic, and focused heavily on the reconstruction. That's probably why the acting was more emotionally charged.
I’m not sure, but I knew this looks familiar to me… Here’s another show that featured this crash ua-cam.com/video/Y2A_fsx7prY/v-deo.htmlsi=W7a4OEpc-2eEq030
YESSSSSS! 😂 I was wondering what was going on? I just finished watching that episode. Lol Then I see this clip with the same narrator and the same commentators… Yet different actors! I wonder why they made two? That’s weird. I looked up the CVR if you’re interested : ua-cam.com/video/Df-UGtdGryU/v-deo.htmlsi=UWBrq3HMCRNsSbLl
I was working offshore sleeping and the sound of that crash woke me up. When you operate a platform you hear every little noise that is out of the ordinary, That sounded like a somebody dropped an empty trash bin off a front loading trash truck. I knew something bad happened somewhere. But I was the only one that heard it at the time. When that many people die suddenly you can feel it. The unused door on the dog house faced the direction of LAX, the crash. That must be why I heard it. The Tide Water guys on the crew boat that went out to the crash site were traumatized by what they saw. They will probably be seeing flashbacks for the rest of their lives. There is no way that Alaska Air lines should have gotten away with that. I'm glad I had a platform to operate, and didn't have to see what the boat crew saw.
No matter what it is. YOU CAN'T CUT CORNERS IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY ! When you do, you PUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK ! May the souls of all of those innocent people rest in peace.
In hindsight, this was a tragedy that could have been avoided. As soon as the flight crew realized there was a mechanical problem with the horizontal stabilizer, they should have immediately declared an emergency and landed. At that point, they still had adequate control of the aircraft to land successfully. Instead, they performed troubleshooting procedures causing catastrophic failure of the horizontal stabilizer resulting in an uncontrollable aircraft.
They had a chance to bring the plane in for an emergency landing after they knew something was seriously wrong, but before the fatal descent and didn't take it. They killed everyone.
I read somewhere that investigators found it particularly hard to listen to the cockpit voice recorder because it revealed that the pilots never gave up trying to recover the airplane. They were fighting for control to the very end.
OK, I’ve seen this recreation with the same narrator only different actors lol And I thought it was the very same show. Mayday air crash investigations? I’d like to see this version if anybody knows where it is here on UA-cam can you post it?
@@v12ts.gaming In my opinion, JAL123 is one of those ones which can never be re-explained enough. Even if the lessons weren't plentiful, any excuse to shed light on crews like that = a valid excuse. 👌
i that kind of situation what will help you the most is disengaging the auto pilot and use manual pilot.. using manual pilot will make your plane in your hands.
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that the probable cause of this accident was a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assembly's Acme nut threads
That crash already get its own episode right? So what's the purpose of remaking it? Anyways, I hope that in later episodes of Season 22 or 23 Air Crash Investigation can make a new episode about Cebu Pacific flight 387, Air Philippines flight 541, or Downeast Airlines flight 46. I also think that they should remaster American 1420, United 811, or Aeroperu 603 too; that would be very nice if any of the three got remastered later in 2022-23.
NatGeo has lost the rights to season 1 of ACI. Excpect re-makes of United 811, American 1420, Swissair 111, Aeroperu 603, and mabye Air Transat 236 in future.
@@RunawayTrain2502 While they lost the rights to them, it doesn't make sense to redo all of them. The first season really shows the lack of a major budget at the time without much actual crash animations. Which is why I presume they remade this one is particular.
But the animation and general production are so much better, and do a better job at re-creating the tragedy, which I think pays more respect to the lives lost.
Both of these episodes were actually planned at one point, however they ran into several issues with the Erebus episode and replaced it with Qantas 32. They were unable to located the investigators for Saudia 163 so both idea's were shelved
WHY ARE THEY REDOING OLD EPISODES!!! this decision should've been as controversial as "It's A Wonderful Life" colorization stuff or the Disney sequel movies...
One thing that shook me the most was when I saw the photo of the jackscrew. First I thought what’s with all the steel wires wrapped around the screw? As it turned out it wasn’t the steel wires, it was threading that’s been ripped apart from the nut.
"Nat Geo" lost all credibility when they changed their name to that mickey mouse shit, they have gone the way of the "History" channel.(Which is now just garbage TV) They didn't even follow the black box recordings verbatim. It's like they watched the movie Flight and said "lets copy that, that will get views!" (Flight w/ Denzel Washington was based off of this crash.) Extremely inaccurate and embarrassing, this is something that is interesting on it's own and they turned to into soap opera melodrama bullshit.
Why aren't there parachutes installed on the back of planes or yet on the top side of the aircraft ...to prevent nosedives of this magnitude? Why isn't there something that's inflatable that surrounds the aircraft upon a mayday to cushion the blow? Why is it after all these years and so many crashes nothing has changed and that parameter but we have electric vehicles and we're now having rockets take off and land the same way they take off but we can't do anything to prevent horrific airline crashes...
Because the plane has lost control. Their is nothing able to correct it. A parachute would be ripped off at that speed and if it did stay attached, it wouldn't have solved anything. Nothing inflatable is going to cushion that blow. Rockets and electric cars still break and crash themselves.
for anyone unaware, Alaska Airlines cut costs on maintenance and a bolt (i think) became worn out in the tail, eventually coming lose sending the plane plummeting into the ocean, the pilots did a great job fighting the plane, even trying to fly upside down in the final moments
yea rusty jackscrew because of exactly that lack of maintenance when they asked for a block to troubleshoot the thread literally ripped away leaving that stuck elevator.
It was the jackscrew that controlled the upward and downward movement of the horizontal stabilizer, due to lack of lubrication from poor maintenance the threads of the jackscrew stripped out which released the horizontal stabilizer causing the aircraft to pitch down in which recovery was not possible.
@@jamesb1988 it's crazy that they didnt give the importance to that system, which is crucial for the aircraft keep flying. We working on the 737 NG and we are performing a hospital cleaning on the jackscrew, a detailed visual inspection on all the attachments plus the jackscrew itself for any kind of damage, plus proper lubrication. It's an easy job that takes not more than 2h. RIP to those passengers and crew..
That’s insanity, all of those lives lost just because of Alaska Airlines negligence
it just cost few coffee cup 😢
I can only imagine the sheer terror of being on board that flight
I slept through it
That’s correct. It was a jack screw in the horizontal stabilizer trim that they didn’t replace. While not replacing it they also didn’t lubricate it and it finally separated from the acme nut and sent the plane into a dive. The whistle blower John Liotine told the FAA that Alaska airlines supervisors were falsifying records indicating maintenance had been done when in fact it had not to cut corners. Very sad story.
How negligent can one be. They should have been thrown in jail for life.
it didn't need to be replaced just needed some grease
Wasn't it the assembly in the horizontal stabilizer trim that failed?
@@sonmi2246 correction made it was the horizontal stabilizer.
From comments on official full versions of the older episode (this clip is from a different version, and is likely recent, while the original one appears to be much older), other planes with T-Tails have two jackscrews for this reason.
I can’t even imagine the absolute horror these people went through.
It was horror for our younger staff on the pier receiving plane and body parts that day. I was stationed at port operations for the u.s. navy at that time..
this accident is really sad because they didn't succeed and there was only a few dollars of oil from the gears, it killed 88 people and the most valuable pilots
This remake is very good, R.I.P To all
why did they remake it? I liked the original actors.
For the following reasons, I am not a fan of the new episode:
-The pilots are off script when referring to the actual cockpit voice recording transcripts.
-The episode failed to mention why the airline stretched intervals on maintenance
-Failed to mention how the FAA forced airlines operating DC-9s, MD-80s, 90s and 717s to inspect there jackcrews and how they uncovered that 6 MD-80s operated by Alaska Airlines needed jackscrews replaced.
-What happened to John Liotine (suspended for job)
-Certain maintenance personal suspended from the company for falsifying records.
To me the episode was rushed.
guess they're trying to cut cost in production 😉
Yeah they "cut" some parts of the full story
also, i think the actors in this episode were just saying the script instead of acting it. you know what i mean?
The full episode also mentions the fact that both engines, eventually, lost power but never explained why. Once the episode mentioned engine failure I thought to myself, "Yep, that's it. They're done." Freaking shame.
@@meagaindave2049 didn't they already do this crash? do you know why they're doing it again?
It's weird they've done a remake. Once I can see it, I'll compare both.
They couldn't access the season 1 episodes so they made a remake.
which episode and season this remake is ?
@@vaibhavmathur1203 the episode is called "Pacific Plunge", and it's from S22.
@@vaibhavmathur1203Cutting Corners. Season 1 I believe.
@@bendeguzadam22what do you mean they couldn't access them?
Mayday season 1 episode 5 is both tragic and riveting.
I remeber this its a Alaska 261 remastered
This one is better than the Season 1 Alaska Airlines Flight 261
The same case but improved graphic and several new thing which they didn't tell on season one
This one is really remastered than season 1
season 1 is 20 years old but I prefer the pilots in s1
Are you deluded or something?
@@Romans8-9 yeah I just finished watching that. That’s why this clip here confused me…
Why did they make two?
What season and episode is this?
Maybe it's just me, maybe because I haven't watched this new remake yet, maybe because I've watched the first one so many times, but it seems the Season one pilot actors showed a bit more passion in their acting? These ones sound like they are reading from a script. I may be wrong though.
Update: After finally getting my hands on the remake, I've come to the conclusion that indeed the pilot actors in "Cutting Corners" - in my own opinion - showed more passion in their acting than "Pacific Plunge". This is not to take away from the episode as a whole. Better graphics, new information that I was not aware of from watching the old episode, and I liked the touch where they showed the plane falling inverted from the distance as the other plane watched in the foreground. I just felt the old actors portrayed more urgency, more naturalness in their acting. These new ones sounded too calm...too rehearsed. There was not enough passion in them for me.
The part of him screaming “AHH HERE WE GO!!!!” sounds much more dramatic than the first one where he just said it in a normal tone. But I agree
@@SimPilotMika I hear that sometimes, in your last moments, a sudden calmness comes over you as you know it's the end. I may have watched too many movies or read too much fiction, but I believe that may be what was being portrayed. But the acting of the vertical and inverted dive to the end in Cutting Corners was more intense. The chaos of those last moments were as close to the real thing. The actors were actually inverted. The noises, things falling around them, I even noticed the headsets of the actor portraying the copilot fall off.
The show's earlier seasons were a lot more dramatic, and focused heavily on the reconstruction. That's probably why the acting was more emotionally charged.
I agree. The actors here sucked.
Where can i get the full video of air crash investigation?
I’m not sure, but I knew this looks familiar to me… Here’s another show that featured this crash
ua-cam.com/video/Y2A_fsx7prY/v-deo.htmlsi=W7a4OEpc-2eEq030
Didn’t Mayday already do a video of this crash back in 2003 in their first season?
YESSSSSS! 😂
I was wondering what was going on? I just finished watching that episode. Lol
Then I see this clip with the same narrator and the same commentators… Yet different actors!
I wonder why they made two? That’s weird.
I looked up the CVR if you’re interested :
ua-cam.com/video/Df-UGtdGryU/v-deo.htmlsi=UWBrq3HMCRNsSbLl
The good ole jackscrew plane crash.....damn that some scary stuff
I will be flying this Saturday and watching this !! Why!😔
I hope you had a safe flight! I’m flying this Saturday and scared af now.
😬
Absolute Kings.
For me this episode was realistic than season 1
I was working offshore sleeping and the sound of that crash woke me up. When you operate a platform you hear every little noise that is out of the ordinary, That sounded like a somebody dropped an empty trash bin off a front loading trash truck. I knew something bad happened somewhere. But I was the only one that heard it at the time. When that many people die suddenly you can feel it. The unused door on the dog house faced the direction of LAX, the crash. That must be why I heard it. The Tide Water guys on the crew boat that went out to the crash site were traumatized by what they saw. They will probably be seeing flashbacks for the rest of their lives. There is no way that Alaska Air lines should have gotten away with that. I'm glad I had a platform to operate, and didn't have to see what the boat crew saw.
Is there a part 2
Where can I watch the full episode
Facebook.
This is Alaska 261 crash animation 2? First crash animation in season 1 alredy.
No matter what it is. YOU CAN'T CUT CORNERS IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY ! When you do, you PUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK ! May the souls of all of those innocent people rest in peace.
Was this episode a remake?
In hindsight, this was a tragedy that could have been avoided. As soon as the flight crew realized there was a mechanical problem with the horizontal stabilizer, they should have immediately declared an emergency and landed. At that point, they still had adequate control of the aircraft to land successfully. Instead, they performed troubleshooting procedures causing catastrophic failure of the horizontal stabilizer resulting in an uncontrollable aircraft.
Caution ⚠️…UA-cam genius
Mayday are getting old so they felt it was worth redoing some of the crashes they already covered
Where can I find the full episode of this?
National geographic
This is confusing me because I’ve seen this recreation with the same narrator on the same show lol
Why did they make two?
I’m confused…
ua-cam.com/video/4nIc7brvMOs/v-deo.htmlsi=O6PLfOWCBvhLI_Cp
CVR Alaska Air #261
ua-cam.com/video/Df-UGtdGryU/v-deo.htmlsi=UWBrq3HMCRNsSbLl
@@Justice-ef9skNational Geographic pulled out of the first three seasons,so they can’t air any episode before season four
Mayday cutting corners is much better
But they had to re-do because they had lost the rights to season one. The reason is unknown
I think that a more expensive retrofit of a elevon would save aircraft like this.
These pilots and crew and all passengers on board need vindication, sue those assholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were sued but they bought their way out of jail😢
@@paddyphelan5309 Unreal!!! yet I believe it...its the shitty world we are living in...
I'm totally in this! Nice work all.
Lies again? Football Club
was this the basis for the flight movie with densel washington
No
They had a chance to bring the plane in for an emergency landing after they knew something was seriously wrong, but before the fatal descent and didn't take it. They killed everyone.
Well I’m really sad to hear at the end of the flight because it went upside down and everyone died
I read somewhere that investigators found it particularly hard to listen to the cockpit voice recorder because it revealed that the pilots never gave up trying to recover the airplane. They were fighting for control to the very end.
Imagine that they was upside down...poor people....i cant imagine it..
I lost a good friend who was with his wife and two little girls. 45 minutes of pure terror.😢
All because the cheap bastards at the airline cut costs on maintenance 🙄
OK, I’ve seen this recreation with the same narrator only different actors lol
And I thought it was the very same show. Mayday air crash investigations?
I’d like to see this version if anybody knows where it is here on UA-cam can you post it?
Why do pilots need to exert such force on the yoke during emergency situations? I thought the hydraulics did all the work.
no because the horizontal stabilizer have no grease because of the fatigue in the acme nuts that lock the plane onto the pitch down position
23 years ago today rip
Why are they remaking this one? Will they remake more? Also pretty crazy the Kobe Bryant crash will be shown soon, a fairly short time after the crash
Apparently for this season, they remade the JAL123 from S3. From what i can tell, ACI will have one episode remakes for every season...
@@v12ts.gaming In my opinion, JAL123 is one of those ones which can never be re-explained enough.
Even if the lessons weren't plentiful, any excuse to shed light on crews like that = a valid excuse. 👌
In the Flight movie in 2012 inspired by actual events of airplane crash in Alaska
This gives me anxiety
The other documentary is so much better. Much better acting
i bet that man has a airline or he is just lucky they told him not to retire pls tell me how is that pilot man still a pilot
New episode 🙌
i that kind of situation what will help you the most is disengaging the auto pilot and use manual pilot.. using manual pilot will make your plane in your hands.
I recently saw this on the TV
I wonder if instead of sending them out over the ocean, if they could them sent them out over the desert by edwards AFB, essentially one giant runway.
Why did they choose LAX instead of SAN?
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that the probable cause of this accident was a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assembly's Acme nut threads
That crash already get its own episode right? So what's the purpose of remaking it? Anyways, I hope that in later episodes of Season 22 or 23 Air Crash Investigation can make a new episode about Cebu Pacific flight 387, Air Philippines flight 541, or Downeast Airlines flight 46. I also think that they should remaster American 1420, United 811, or Aeroperu 603 too; that would be very nice if any of the three got remastered later in 2022-23.
NatGeo has lost the rights to season 1 of ACI. Excpect re-makes of United 811, American 1420, Swissair 111, Aeroperu 603, and mabye Air Transat 236 in future.
@@RunawayTrain2502
While they lost the rights to them, it doesn't make sense to redo all of them.
The first season really shows the lack of a major budget at the time without much actual crash animations. Which is why I presume they remade this one is particular.
I hope they do China Airlines 676.
@@RunawayTrain2502 Thank you for the information.
Apparently they will remake JAL 123 for S23
They’ve wasted money and time on recreating something they made years ago
But the animation and general production are so much better, and do a better job at re-creating the tragedy, which I think pays more respect to the lives lost.
they lost the rights of many of season 1 crash / land
@@imagaybanana2004The acting is terrible though. Season 1 pilot actors were amazing.
@@Romans8-9 fair point
Nice remake
What the background music
Southjet flight 227 and Alaska airlines flight 261 history vs movie flight 2012
Who here follows ACI on twitter?
Én is követem. Remélem Magyarországon is hamarosan készen lesznek a részek.
10.-én jönnek
the lesson is to stay out of planes
This is season 1 how about Erebus and Saudia 163
Both of these episodes were actually planned at one point, however they ran into several issues with the Erebus episode and replaced it with Qantas 32. They were unable to located the investigators for Saudia 163 so both idea's were shelved
@@hikarikaguraenjoyer9918 yes
MD-83 Alaska airlines 261 no Diaster
I don’t fucking fly anymore. Because of this.
I'm never flying again
The same thing as Southjet 227
Maybe this is real.
cause it is real ((the crash))
It was the flux capacitor
"DAHHHHHHHHHHH-!"
💥💥💥BOOM!💥💥💥
The issue was caused by a jackscrew error
WHY ARE THEY REDOING OLD EPISODES!!! this decision should've been as controversial as "It's A Wonderful Life" colorization stuff or the Disney sequel movies...
NatGeo lost the rights to Season 1.
@@RunawayTrain2502 Can I get a link to that source?
that man looks a bit older then 65 how is he still a pilot bro
Nicht mit Flüssigkeit an Bord
Plane in upside down
One thing that shook me the most was when I saw the photo of the jackscrew. First I thought what’s with all the steel wires wrapped around the screw?
As it turned out it wasn’t the steel wires, it was threading that’s been ripped apart from the nut.
oh no I’m going on that airline after I go on Qatar what’s gonna happen
$2… 💔
My pastors parents were on the plane. They are with Jesus now.
the first mayday foi that flight was better
WAs the aircraft reported stolen/
Yes, an Alaska Airlines worker stole the plane in 2018.
no it was not stolen
Animation 2
😅😢
Another one they have already made one about this🤦🏽♂️
🙏🤍🕊️
Bin bei euch, Sturzflug
"Nat Geo" lost all credibility when they changed their name to that mickey mouse shit, they have gone the way of the "History" channel.(Which is now just garbage TV) They didn't even follow the black box recordings verbatim. It's like they watched the movie Flight and said "lets copy that, that will get views!" (Flight w/ Denzel Washington was based off of this crash.)
Extremely inaccurate and embarrassing, this is something that is interesting on it's own and they turned to into soap opera melodrama bullshit.
Why aren't there parachutes installed on the back of planes or yet on the top side of the aircraft ...to prevent nosedives of this magnitude? Why isn't there something that's inflatable that surrounds the aircraft upon a mayday to cushion the blow? Why is it after all these years and so many crashes nothing has changed and that parameter but we have electric vehicles and we're now having rockets take off and land the same way they take off but we can't do anything to prevent horrific airline crashes...
Because the plane has lost control. Their is nothing able to correct it. A parachute would be ripped off at that speed and if it did stay attached, it wouldn't have solved anything.
Nothing inflatable is going to cushion that blow.
Rockets and electric cars still break and crash themselves.
Also simply because airliner production companies like Boeing, Airbus, MD, and etc would usually not think of such a specific concept.
Why did speed brakes sound like nasty Brits😂
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