Cole MacGrath Should NEVER Come Back... Here's Why | Infamous 2 Analysis
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- So what is there to say about infamous? Well, it's hard to say whether or not it's one of my favorite video game franchises of all time, given that the first game has aged relatively poorly despite being fun, and second son despite being arguably the most fun game from a pure gameplay standpoint in the series was a completely unnecessary sequel that is an egregious rectcon from a conceptual level. But infamous 2 is easily one of my favorite games of all time. Managing to be an incredibly fun game in its own right. Which if you ask me is exactly why this should have been the end of the series, and why I'm glad that they never decided to bring back Cole, I think it would be almost entirely disrespectful to the character if he was brought back.
Join The Bacon Brigade Today
👉👉👉 / tacticalbaconproductions 👈👈👈
Big Thanks To My Patrons
AjackPilot
Kristopher Fulton
TyTrovy
MyNameIsTank
Drew Dessadoo
WeirdWebbster
The FieryCharmeleon
Isaac Larson
Leyabout
Brooklyn
Gaw004
Joseph Rosas
Nicholas Pino
Raaf
Mitchell A
Ranger X
Ronnie Araya
Sakusagi
Shnitzelator
The FoE Three
Anthony'sMusicTaste
Chase Heartstedt
Driston
Kratoscar2008
maskedhobo
nope guy
Rean Super Fan
The Side-Questian Gentleman
Twisted Wishes
#infamous #infamous2 #infamousreview
It’s kinda tough to not assume that cole could revived with electricity… like Frankenstein, seeing as he is essentially a human battery. Jumpstart his heart with a power plant etc. I’m not saying he should comeback but at the same time, it’s not necessarily nonsensical.
That's if conduits have spiritual abilities rather than physical
6:42 When younger me got the good ending, That might've been the closest I've gotten to crying to a fictional death. Zeke narratoring the last cutscene is so heart wrenching, but I know it had to be done.
There was no part of me that expected, or other than natural grief, wanting him to come back. There's nothing more heroic than self sacrifice, and if cole mcgrath came back? after all of that? being the only one to survive that conduit genocide?
What would be the point? would cole even _want_ to live after that?
Cole wouldn't necessarily be the only one, some were only knocked unconscious by it like augustine
@@tea-sus8722that makes no sense. The RFI destroys conduits cus the genes that activate powers are targeted whether they produce proteins to start the conduits powers or not. It does not matter if they power up or not and they fucked the story up, you can't build immunity to a deadly virus or thing like it with zero exposure. Covid was bad for people that were very unhealthy and old people because of immune system was barely handling itself before which is why it killed majority unhealthy and elderly, a vaccine for deadly things is needed though and there is nothing to stop the RFI from killing them. They should re write infamous 3 and let it continue after 2’s evil ending, it would be bloody perfect on PS5 and they could finally tell us why kuo has powers absent of a raysphere blast
I stand by that an infamous prequel could be done as Kessler before he went back in time.
Side question. What are your thoughts of Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer death battle ?
I don't know how this is even a question, Alex Mercer solos the entire Infamous cast without breaking a sweat. If he was present the Beast wouldn't have even been a thought.
@@Seoul_Soldier I’m guessing you haven’t watched the death battle?
Also, Alex could barely survive a nuke, and he can only regenerate at a molecular level.
The Beast (as well as any conduit really) can dish out attacks that affect a person at the atomic level, not to mention that the blast The Beast created was much bigger than the nuke in Prototype.
Cole could easily disintegrate Alex, or consume Alex of all his Bio-electricity, which would also stop Alex’s regeneration.
Cole all the way
@@HB-fq9nnCole also becomes a literal vampire in the dlc for the second game
@@Jaysin412 I’m not sure if that’s canon.
Never tapped on a video soo fast!
People say Sony has a tendency of neglecting their franchises. And while that maybe true for some of their franchises like Gravity Rush I wouldn't say that they neglect thier franchises. Take Infamous Second Son and Killzone Shadow Fall for instance both are sequels to established IP that might've helped sell more PS4s (Second Son was the reason I bought a PS4 a lot sooner than I should've) but they were unnecessary sequels at the end of the day and are also arguably the worst entry from both of their franchises. I think the only way a franchise can continue on is if each entry revolves around a completely different cast (like Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, or Persona) or is they introduced a new series protagonist to replace the old one (similar to what Yakuza: Like A Dragon did) because you can only have some many games that revole around the same protagonist (looking at you Ratchet and Clank) and while Second Son and Shadow Fall both did this there still wasn't much narrative left to make a new game (so there's that too as a third point if a franchise is intended to go on forever). And yes I completely agree with you Tactical Bacon Production's Cole should stay dead as much as I love Infamous 2 (hell it's one of my top 10 favorite videogames of all time) it would ruin him if they bought him back just like Dr. Nefarious from Ratchet and Clank was ruined (should've kept him dead after A Crack In Time) come to think about it Ratchet and Clank should've ended there as well.
Heck for a script idea I had for a entry set during the events of Second Son with a new lead heroine one of the things I had thought out besides the return to New Marais was the idea our new lead heroine would be pulled between two factions of Conduits with their own ideas on how to deal with DUP and the name I had picked for the good Karma faction was "The Knights of McGrath" basically the idea is that they want to honor the legacy of Cole McGrath and use their powers to help people, and protect innocents human, and Conduit and bring the DUP to justice instead of igniting an all-out war between humans, and Conduits.
Just like sly Cooper should have had ended with sly Cooper among thieves
I always find it kinda funny that both of us like these somewhat obscure games from over 10 years ago
As a writer, a good rule of thumb for deciding to kill a character, is to ask "would killing this character lead to more interesting story opportunities than if we still had him alive".
Stuff to consider would be, would him dying benefit the development or fleshing out of other characters?. Would him dying benefit the story's themes, morals or message?. Would him dying hinder the potential for future stories or indirectly make other characters less interesting?
Would killing him accidentally remove other characters too if they depend on him to exist in the story?
Non of these questions gives us a clear Yes or No, about if he should die or not, but they are stuff a writer needs to think about and sometimes choose between.
I would personally say, make 'evil' ending canon or give him a 1up mushroom in the 'good' ending, and here's my reason why:
In a hypothetical game directly following infamous 2's 'good' ending, we would only have Zeke to follow in a world with no super powers. And even if we ignored the gameplay part and only focused on the story, we still only have a character who is defined by his relation to, and actions against Cole.
Killing Cole for good would be really stupid from a writing standpoint as it takes away so many possibilities for future plots, inner conflicts and character interactions, but even more so with killing Nix and Kuo, since if they were at least alive we could still have had a lot of the things we lost with Cole.
But even if infamous 2 was supposed to be the finale with no continuation, the 'good' ending is still a really unsatisfying story that ends with our main character succumbing to his survivor's guilt by literally killing himself.
Completely throwing the story's themes of Choice, Guilt and Moving forward, straight out of the window.
Sorry, no. Everything you just said is entirely built on the basis of not allowing stories to end. You're trying to claim that by killing off conduits, you're destroying any potential for future sequels. But you're not allowing for the possibility that maybe there shouldn't be sequels, or that the creators don't want to make sequels. They just want to conclude the story as is without any loose ends. Not every story needs to or should go on forever. If your entire basis of writing a story is based on the premise of "how do I not end this conclusively so I can milk it forever" and that's asinine.
And for the record, Cole didn't sacrifice himself out of survivor's guilt, he sacrificed himself because it was the noble thing to do. Because humanity was literally dying.
And idea i saw a while ago on a forum somewhere is have the next hero be Zeke's son, who ends up having powers similar to Coles'
I'll still purport that a sequel centering on Good Cole seeking to overthrow an evil Delsin would be one of the better avenues, but I can't deny the story's gravitas in 1&2.
Just think, there were conduits around the world. And they couldn't do an infamous game with a smaller scale story set away from Coles story, but in the same time period? Or how about a game set in Kesslers world, because multiverse theory.
completly agree, not every hero needs to be alive to change the world and in a game were do the right thing is so important, i think it makes the better point to do the right even if its sad, that´s what a hero like spider-man or Superman do
I think Cole could come back, but only as a clone that can never be the TRUEEEEE Cole Macgrath. I want a new Cole Macgrath that has his own origin story that isn't burdened by what the true Cole or even Kessler feels.
They could do a non canon entry by continuing from the evil ending if they feel like there's a story to be told there. A story doesn't need to be canon to be good, as long as the writing is well done and there's value to be gained from that experience aside from making the publisher money, then i'd say go for it
Bringing him back would not make things any worse since his death already been made useless by doing a sequel where conduits continue to live.
I really loved the first 2 infamous games. Second son and first light were good, but they werent the original 2 games, hell, he gets turned into a vampire in the dlc for infamous 2
If only Sucker Punch chose to use the evil ending for 2 as they initially planned to. That would have been much better for story. Second Son already negates Cole's sacrifice, so choosing the good ending as canon made no sense.
a remake wouldnt hurt, bring it back with way better graphics but keep it exactly the same
I still remember hearing the rumors of an Infamous MP game with CaC and choosing your power sets and parkouring all over the city etc. That's why I was disappointed with SS, I didn't like Delsin that much and some powersets felt lacking (imagine how fleshed out the power would've been if you didn't have to make 3 other power types)
Nyet! Cole can comeback and should comeback, he got a little bit of a zap and second son is the opportunity to have the evil ending be canon, then have Cole come back to stop delsin, maybe have delsin takeover new maraih, cole would pretty much be a mythical protector
I love all the infamous games, even Second Son and First Light. But, I think that an evil sequel to infamous 2 would've been great. A villainous protagonist isn't common in video games so it would have its own charm. My only problem with this would be the removal of a good and evil ending since the karmic status is predetermined.
If they wanna make a new infamous they could do a what if type style idk how put it but they could make a game were it is the evil ending of 2 and do what they originally intended 1 show people what they originally wanted and 2 for 1 that wanna see or at least hear of coles name idk how put this post that's the only reason they could actually bring cole back with out being like he's not dead
This video gives me a lot of good memories, not the game but the video, i don't know nothing about infamous and i don't really care, I'm talking about the video perse and you guys already know why
Bring him back for crossover games but not Infamous sequels.
I'm only 5 minutes into the video so idk if you had the same idea, but i think i know the perfect way to bring Cole back yet keep him dead at the same time - Kesler prequel.
Can I get a RIP for Cole Macgrath
Yeah Cole coming back would be like Water White coming back. He won and died a hero so any continuation is silly
Jokes on you, Evil Cole is my Headcanon
Jokes aside though, if it had followed the Evil Canon I would've like to have seen the third game follow a time-loop to close the game. Essentially you would spend the game conquering/defending the post human extinction event earth. The ending essentially either placing him as the Sheppard of conduits just trying to peacefully survive, Breaking the cycle or the evil ending being him taking the role of Kessler once more, going to train himself to be “better” continuing the cycle.
i mean its really not a direct spoiler and anyone who would know enough to get it probably knows every cutscene by now ngl
if you go with the good ending there shouldnt be any more games EVER.
if there should be more games, it should be based off of the red ending. but seeing what happened with second son, i dont think they could write it well, so id rather keep the blue ending in 2 canon and ignore second sons story
You die a hero or live long enough to be the saints row reboot. Or dead rising sequel
Good video but I would have to disagree with the notion that wanting Cole back for the sake of more games is "immature". That's not the word I would use. Perhaps "shortsighted" would be more appropriate. Let's not forget, while video games should have a good story, gameplay should matter most a majority of the time. Obviously, there are some exceptions like the Last of Us where story telling takes precedence over gameplay. Regardless, bringing Cole back could be done in a manner that makes sense. At this point, that would be difficult with the addition of Second Son seeing as that takes place a good bit after Cole's death. But the man is a living conduit of electricity, he easily could have been revived at the end of InFamous 2, whether that was their intention with the lightning bolt or not, it would be justifiable.
Story-wise, it's nice that Cole's story ended where it did in the good ending. As a fan who enjoys strictly the gameplay, it's pretty bad. But that's something you have to sacrifice with endings that are so final. You satisfy those who are invested in the story, but alienate people who want more content. Most players fall somewhere in between, but there are people who play for the gameplay and not the story. To belittle those players as "immature" isn't right. Everyone has their reason for enjoying games. Nobody plays Mario for the story, lol.
Even past all that though, another InFamous game could be created, whether it be a spin-off or not, where they utilize the evil ending. The potential is endless. They could have you play as someone in a resistance force trying to stop Cole from destroying all humans. They could have you play as Cole himself and go for an unconventional villain protagonist (though creating threats for Cole at that point might prove difficult), or even as another conduit that is trying to stop Cole in sympathy for humans. Frankly, I don't understand this thought process where canonicity even matters. You can pick literally any ending to any game and make a game from it. Just look at the new Mortal Kombat (SPOILER WARNING) story, they literally made every throw away ending for each character canon as "separate timelines". You can't really complain about it as they DID exist in the previous game so it isn't an asspull.
I actually really don’t like Kuo. She’s super annoying and listening to her dialogue year later makes me feel she was rushed.
This would've been a perfect analysis if you didn't mention second son as a salt of disrespecting logic to the ending. Because clearly there's something missing here.
I think you should look at Cole vs Alex Death Battle and try analyze both these characters and why they're so similar.
The theme song [inHuman] was like a rap battle that clash the combatants ideologies and power.
But some lyrics indicated that it have something to do with their characteristics and ideals that was shaped through the whole game before passing the torch to someone better than them, someone that can fix their wrong doings after they gone, a true successor that can actually made the world a better place.
I am honestly really tired of characters getting killed off in their second appearance like dceu superman Cole macgrath soap in the rebooted cod mw2 like just stop
okay okay hear me out what about just remastering the game 1 and 2 or have a remake maybe or better yet they should make the bad karma ending game of Infamous 2
I find main character death played out to be honest, it's like the go to when you can't write a satisfying happy ending, hell it doesn't even need to be happy, just be good. Killing off the player makes me feel like the journey was a waste and it sours the goal for me personally
This whole video feels more like a lecture of not wanting a sequel 12:04 than a nice take on a a beloved game…. 😢 why you being mean…. Is someone begging for cole’s return in 2023? I am so confused 😐 12:15 your solution is simple, and I hate that it is…. Just do not play second son
Can't believe Second Son and First Light will be 10 years old next year. 2014 doesn't feel like it was that long ago
Second son needs a sequel
Indubitably 😂
They still hold up really nice. I almost forgot
@@SHADZA4321 give it another 8 years maybe 10 and it will look like crap
@@SHADZA4321side note 🎶 🎶 🎶 I see nor hear no evil
Black writings on the wall
Unleashed a million faces
And one by one they fall
Black-hearted evil
Brave-hearted hero
I am all, I am all, I am
I, I, I, I am
Here we go, buddy
Here we go, buddy
Here we go
Here we go, buddy
Here we go
Go ahead and try to see through me
Do it if you dare (dare)
One step forward, two steps back
I'm here (one step forward, two steps back)
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Can you see all of me?
Walk into my mystery
Step inside and hold on for dear life
Do you remember me?
Capture you or set you free
I am all, I am all of me
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
(Here we go)
I see and feel the evil
My hands will crush 'em all
You think you have the answers
I'll laugh and watch you fall
Black-hearted evil
Brave-hearted hero
I am all, I am all, I am
I, I, I, I am
Here we go, buddy
Here we go, buddy
Here we go
Here we go, buddy
Here we go
Go ahead and try to see through me
Do it if you dare (dare)
One step forward, two steps back
I'm here (one step forward, two steps back)
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Can you see all of me?
Walk into my mystery
Step inside and hold on for dear life
Do you remember me?
Capture you or set you free
I am all, I am all of me
(I am, I am all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
(Here we go)
I am, I am everyone, everywhere
Anyhow, any way, any will, any day
I am, I am everyone, everywhere
Anyhow, any way, any will, any day
I am, I am, I am
I am, I am, I am
I am
Do it, do it, do it, do it
Can you see all of me?
Walk into my mystery
Step inside and hold on for dear life
Do you remember me?
Capture you or set you free
I am all, I am all of me
(I am, I am all of me!)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am (I am, I'm all of me)
I am, I am, I'm all of me
(Here we go)
I am, I am all of me (me)
I don't necessarily want Cole back in a story sense, but I really wish we could get a sort of soft reboot or remake, with the current gen's tech improvements. InFamous was (and kinda still is) my favorite "superhero" game franchise, and that's partially because the powers and effects were so visually satisfying; I just feel like it's been long enough that a version of the first two games using current tech would be a fresh enough start for newcomers, while absolutely flooring players of the originals.
You forgot a pretty major detail of them not even being sure that the RFI would work so as far as Cole is aware it's risk the life of all conduits to save the majority on a small chance or take the beasts guaranteed way to save the minority
Honestly I want Cole to come back but in the original intended canonical ending of infamous 2 where he takes over the mantle of the beast having the world be really post apocalyptic with a bunch of conduits with Cole leading the charge would be really interesting
That's honestly what me and my friends were expecting for the sequel cause it just makes the most sense. The fact they made the story off the hero ending cause that was the one that most people did is a bit strange to me still.
Its such a shame too because the evil ending is actually the most logical and thought provoking ending ive seen. Aswell as having a great moral dilemma where “evil” is the right choice imo.
I do blame sucker punch for deciding to go the good ending as canon. I believe more people played the good karma path then evil, That’s ultimately why.
@lostonegrey1555 honestly it would've been way better if the last choice wasn't tied to the Karma system so players would have to think about the choice and then Maybe have 2 variations of each for good and bad
@@therenegadegamer7422 Exactly, It would of been great if they wouldnt lock the ending’s. why i love what the evil ending is, the rest of the game doesn’t really feel that conveying to be evil. Until you get to the ending choice and it becomes a logical reason to be evil.
It feels out of the blue considering the evil choices that came before in infamous 2. There not too deep morally but more a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.
Cole has to come back for the story to make sense as he was Kessler in infamous one as well. If he didn't come back it wouldn't fit timeline continuity. I'm amazed more people haven't brought this up.
Perfect timing considering Cole's recent victory in Death Battle
You don't have to worry about Cole coming back or delson or anyone matter of fact because I don't think we will ever see another infamous any time soon
Sadly i agree. It's safe to say Sucker Punch has no interest in InFAMOUS anymore which is sad
@@Mr22222n00b Actually they do want to make a new InFAMOUS title it's just according to interviews they're focusing on doing other games right now but making a new InFAMOUS title isn't out of the question.
@@derrickhaggardany video links?
@@derrickhaggardthey’re actions say the exact opposite
A soft reboot of the series would be great, either an AU with Cole being the protagonist again, or a soft sequel with some sort of mythos around him, like the story of the game follows in the shadow he left behind.
Takes place like 20 years later with no conduits, but everybody talks about that short period of time people with superpowers existed. Media eats it up and can play on the overlong popularity of superhero movies and tv shows. Cole is a hero but he has become a commidity, with his face used for everything where it has lost all meaning.
Then something happens, new protag gets powers and tries to emulate the consumerist bastardization of Cole only to through the journey discover his depth, what he must of felt, and the new protag embodying the true Cole as he was.
I agree. I would like to see more of Delsin's (or a brand new conduit's) adventures in the next game...
...if it's ever gonna arrive.
A game about a conduit in an other time in history would also be fantastic. For example a female conduit in the middle ages thought to be a witch or one in ancient greece that could have inspired the myths. Shame that this wont happen.
@@nadir4260 Great idea, Nadir!
It won't arrive. Sucker Punch did everything they wanted to do with inFAMOUS and moved onto Ghost of Tsushima because they wanted to make an open-world stealth game.
@@SirBlackReeds Don't be so pessimistic. Some people have hope, including me!
Boooo delsin booooo
One Death Battle and this guy gets pull back to some relevance.
I think games have it worse than movies, but I think comics have the character death issues the most.
I noticed some TV shows do as well.
I think games and movies being allowed to just have set stories for each entry instead of constantly be ongoing makes it easier to not dig up stuff as often and undo moments of ending characters (whether earned or not) for the sake of making an easier sequel to write.
This is gonna sound crazy, but I have always always always wanted an Infamous game where you play as Cole before he travels back in time. Show us that and explain in more detail how he developed a time travel ability. It also fixes the plot hole with the Beast that they never explained.
I completely agree. Cole coming back would diminish the ending of the second game.
They should either continue Delsin's story or focus on a new protagonist, which i would personally prefer.
As a long time inFAMOUS, I heavily agree, Cole MacGrath's story ended on a beautiful note. I honestly didn't mind inFAMOUS Second Son; I welcomed the new character Delsin Rowe when Second Son first came out back in 2014. It's better than bringing back Cole and plus let the man rest peacefully knowing him and Trish are reunited in the afterlife.
One thing Zeke said has stuck with me for the last decade. I want to say it was in 1, and don't remember the exact details of what had been happening. But Zeke says to Cole, "I dont call you brother because it sounds good".
My issue with the inFamous 2 Ending isn't Cole's sacrifice, but what the sacrifice does for stories that could be told in the inFamous series. I never really saw the series as one where they have to have one consistent continuity, and instead could have self contained eras that explore different people with powers and various ways the new powers could lead to interesting scenarios. If Delsin's story in Second Son didn't even mention a single thing about the Cole era, it could have potentially worked. I feel like the title of "inFamous" and it's morality system lend itself to the question of exploring different people with different powers and how they choose to use them, rather than just being a basic story that is little more than a grittier version of the Milestone comics universe (Static Shock being the obvious parallel) with some moral choices. That concept lends itself to a theoretically infinite number of possible tales of people getting powers, with the decision to be a hero or not being down to the player.
As stated in the video, the plan was originally to have the "Infamous" ending be the canon ending before it became obvious that more people ended up doing the good end... and as such, I think it's clear that they were probably knee deep in pre-pro on Second Son before the canonicity of the "Hero" ending was finalized, and likely couldn't pull out, so Second Son had to be made with the good ending in mind. I think they should have just had Second Son only use the terminology of the Cole era, and otherwise just kept to itself, with no mention of the events of the first two titles, but they obviously thought differently. I think the series having definitive endings for characters, but not the concepts, to be a better outcome that satisfies people who like a sense of finality for the stories they like, but allows for people who want more to have more. Second Son, regardless of one's opinion on it, shows that inFamous, as a series, is *more* than Cole MacGrath's story, as much as some would like to say or believe otherwise.
I don't want Cole to come back, I just want the series to not be forced to die with him when it doesn't really need to.
To me, it's like saying God of War should have ended with God of War 3, but accepting that they brought Kratos back despite his original story being over because, at least conceptually, there was still room to explore new ideas with the character. The only difference is between character and concept, where Kratos is a character who had a finished story at the end of God of War 3, but because of the multiple pantheons across history, and because he is a demigod, they had the room to bring him back, even if it would have made more sense to let him die after he fulfilled his goal. I don't personally like the new God of War games, but I'd never tell a fan of that series that it's immature to want a series to continue, even if I think the series was better off being laid to rest back with God of War 3. inFamous, on the other hand, isn't just Cole's story, as I said, so conceptually, so there's room for the franchise to explore different ideas within a similar framework while letting the character rest. I don't have an ideal scenario for a future inFamous game, but because it's not intrinsically tied to the dead protagonist, it has arguably more room to expand on those concepts than God of War did.
Oh what a surprise I've been wanting to hear your take on the infamous franchise
Being dead did not stop him in the slightest from recovering quickly and going on with his heroism :)
I would prefer if he came back via a rebooted storyline
I agree with Cole being left dead. Cole is like the bedrock or basis of the inFAMOUS world. He's that legend whose legacy should be felt in the background. He's like the conduit that characters from future stories should look up to. Another thing is that Cole's entire character was dictated by circumstances forced upon him. He viewed his powers as a curse and eventually as a nessecary burden.
There's a reason why Second Son's tagline was "Enjoy your Power"... it's because one of the biggest contrasts between Delsin and Cole is that Cole's power brought nothing but pain to him. Delsin was having a good time mostly. lol The only way I would bring Cole back is through a Kessler prequel game. Cole from the original timeline.
It should be noted that Kessler's sacrifice makes inFAMOUS 2's finality all the more impactful.
I agree that Cole's death was the perfect way to end Infamous 2, and that he should stay dead.
There's just one minor detail that these videos have yet to touch on...
The very first game in this series includes TIME TRAVEL. And more to the point, time travel in which Cole meets his alternate self. I'm not saying that Cole should come back from the dead, but it's far from impossible to imagine a scenario in which he does -- all the more so since Infamous 2 doesn't provide any answers as to how Kessler traveled back in time (at least not that I can remember).
This actually reminds me of one of your earlier videos -- the one which states that Infamous 2 is non-canon. Since we know time travel exists in this universe, it's possible that it's not so much non-canon as simply an alternate timeline.
Oh, right. When inFAMOUS 2 was still new/current, they had the player data on which karmic ending people chose on the official website for the game as well as some other things. I don't exactly remember the other stuff, but I do remember that being the bigger one that they told us was going to be the deciding factor for the Canon ending. At the time, I was disappointed seeing people continue to choose the good over evil more, but now I can say that I am okay with that 😅
Why should the evil one be cannon?
Cole in the comics always wanted to forge destiny of his own. He dropped out of college and took a job he disliked as he wanted to take his life in his own hands because up to that point he parents forced him to do everything they wanted. When he came to know this was all orchestrated by Kessler he couldn't bear it. He hated Kessler for everything he was and everything he did to him. He didn't want to be associated with him. He thought he took his life into his own hands but it was always Kessler l who controlled his Life.
So why would he go on the path to save humanity which Kessler wanted. He could write his own destiny for the first time ever in his life and lead the human into a new era.
He would be finally taking his own decisions and be a man of his own.
For the first time him and Kessler would be two different people!
Zivalene's character analysis of Cole goes more in depth about it!
Exactly But one major thing aswell that makes the evil ending better. The beast methods work, while the rfi may not.
Cole himself states he doesn’t know if the rfi will even work. If he used it and the rfi killed everyone capable of stopping the plague but the plague survived.
Its a huge risk to humanity itself to rely on a 50/50 chance it will work.
While the beast methods, while devastating and awful. activates conduits who become immune to the plague. You kill millions but humanity is guaranteed to survive.
Of course as the players we know the good ending works, but at that moment cole doesn’t.
@@lostonegrey1555 You just summed up why I never liked the ending. But then it immediately loses its backbone and says “no, no, no. *this* (the RFI ending)is 100% the right thing to do. Even if it doesn’t work and everyone dies, it’s still the right thing to do. Which is just a horrible message to imply. It didn’t help that it basically makes the choice for you
And I have an impossible time believing I’m playing as the same person from the first game
@@kawashiki_sama7249her belief that Cole would side with John regardless of whether he’s evil or not is just retarded
Half as long, twice as bright...a pretty good description of InFAMOUS 1 and 2 right there.
I firmly believe the devs at Suckerpunch should've taken more time to fix up the morality system. The "evil" ending was supposed to set up a potential sequel with Cole as a potential antagonist, but over 78% of players went for the good ending... the good ending that killed every single Conduit worldwide.
If the devs had hidden what choices were good and evil and made the choices feel less obviously aligned with good and evil (cough cough, bombing the plantation and fooling the resistance even though those plans would never work out) then I feel like more people would've went for the intended ending.
Instead, every choice is either comedically good or bad and that really limits the whole narrative.
Infamous 2 is marvelous.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Resistance which did the same. Ballsy to kill the protagonist, but they did it well.
Infamous 2 was fantastic and I feel it's the best superhero game still to this day. I agree that Cole should stay gone.
Cole's sacrifice was truly moving to undo it ruins the writer's efforts
Idk man I saw someone do a beautiful re-write of infamous 2 that led to a way of bringing Cole back and now I wish it was real.
you mean by OverusedBruh?
@@adamdaman6784 I don’t remember tbh man
your channel is super baller man. love it. Came for the Twisted Metal stuff, stayed for the tactical bacon
One thing I have thought, is Conduits are a form of evolution, like Marvel mutants. My opinion is that the plague wasn't caused by radiation, but was the effect if conduits draining the psychic energy from non-conduits. The reason this only started after the use of the ray sphere, is that it made conduits evolve beyond their source of energy. Under normal progression, both normal humans and conduits would evolve with each other and balance out. Kesler, could even have been beast Cole, facing the end of the world as conduits would start to die off from lack of this energy. I know, its not a prefect theory, but i like it.
Never understood why there was even a sequel after 2, especially being the canon ending kills off all of said conduits. Can't have a superhero sandbox without the super. That's one of my biggest issue with second son
@@malvados4790 Because the conduit gene went pretty much extinct.
@@dragondelsur5156I tink about the conduit gene as a diferent type of virus, one day it will come back stronger than before.
I'm not actually inherently against the idea of Second Son's story. I mean, if Conduits can be immune to the plague through a one in one thousand gene, who's to say that a conduit cannot survive the RFI from a one in ten-thousand gene? (Augustine says that Cole wiped out 90% of conduits, pinning the number at 1/10000). Genetic mutations are weird like that, after all.
Part of me thinks its cool that Cole stays dead, but one: worse characters get brought back from the dead all the time and two: THAT FUCKING LIGHTNING STRIKE IS SUCH A TEASE.
Also if they brought Cole back, there is no reasonable way they could implement the karma system since canonically he's basically christlike in his karma.
I guess what I'm trying to say in my rambling is that I'm torn on the subject.
It's tough having to bring Cole back, I may have scratched my head with his death as did many of us, but what they need is not to bring him back, it's to flesh out Delsin and his new world more. I may not like Delsin, he's a painful protagonist to sit through, but that can leave a chance to explore more how the fuck the conduits are still around after the RFI, because the DLC never answered it. I know Sucker Punch has a tradition of leaving a series after 3 games, but idk, just thinking.
The fact that second son exist, it already undermined the significance of cole's sacrifice. Since we are following along with second son ending it wouldn't be bad to have cole return with delson being the big baddie.
The good ending of Infamous 2 I believe had a lightning bolt strike the boat dead Cole was on... they could use that as a way of bringing Cole back... make another Infamous with the ability to switch between Cole and Delsin 🤷🏻♂️
They really should have continued off of the evil ending instead of the good one. But like you said, there's no point dealing in hypotheticals, so for the future...
If they make a sequel, I would actually prefer them to embrace the nature of dual endings and expand on the evil ending instead of continuing Delsin's story right away - without abandoning Second Son or declaring it non-canon, just... exploring an alternative canon route for a game.
Famous last words. You under/over estimate the power of nostalgia. And money. They can easily make up some pile of vomit nonsense reason as to how they brought him back. Tsk tsk tsk. Much love and respect.
man infamous 1 & 2 were so good. so was second son on a gameplay level but the story always stuck with me from the first games
If they're is a 3rd game of infamous with Cole, they should expand on the evil ending. It'd be interesting at least
I want more infamous games, but second son was a very meh game.
So honestly I'd like a remake of both 1&2.
I just had a plot hole don on me. Why didn't the Ray Sphere cause a plague when Bertrand used it?
I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. Second Son’s time jump should’ve been longer. WAY longer.
Seven years is a stupidly short amount of time for all the lore that happened to happen. It also contributes to the undermining of this game’s story since it happens not even a full decade later.
If the time jump was say… several decades. Maybe forty or so? It would’ve been much more logical. Delsin, Eugene, Fetch, Hank, Augustine, and the paper trail girl all get to still reasonably exist within the post good ending world, and it also would make conduit fear more likely, as the next generation would probably be afraid of something they don’t know about.
Cole also gets legend status this way and the D.U.P. lying about him would be much more compelling since not many people are left alive from that era that actually can back him up, and it’s really just a matter of personal belief rather than blatantly fake propaganda that’s easily disproved.
Id love to see a what if sort of spin off sequel that ahows us what would have happened with Evil Cole. Gives the company preferred evil ending its shining while giving more Infamous without breaking the current canon if it didnt do well
They don't have to have sequels be part of the story. Could be a "spiritual successor" with the gameplay and vibe of the previous games but new world and people
Well the only canon ending for infamous 2 is the evil one!!!!!
Don't care how many players played the good ending according to the trophy database!
I agree that it would be the dumbest thing for him to come back in a future game, but god dammit I do miss him :(
infamous
Alex Mercer... the prototype bioweapon of Manhattan ... Cole Macgrath the infamous devil of Empire City...
ITS TIME FOR A DEEEEEEEATH BATTLE!!!! all rivalries aside, Have you guys watched the Cole Macgrath death battle vs Alex Mercer? BEST DEATH BATTLE EVER!!!!!!
I really want to see a Kessler game. That would be my true infamous 3. It's about Cole in a different timeline with a new (some returning) set of powers. It essentially acts as a prequel to infamous 1. I know Kessler is the antagonist in the first game, but I'd like to see his journey in his own timeline of bevoming Kessler, the enemies/conduits he'd meet and face, and his run from The Beast.
I had fun with Second Son, but it was a huge disappointment in story and in its basic af gameplay downgrade from the previous games. I haven't played Last Light. And I though Festival of Blood was fun, and honestly I liked the comparison of the Vampires being kind of like/compared to Conduits.
I don't care if we ever get another inFAMOUS game, I just want a remaster of the first two on modern consoles. Or at the very least to not have them locked behind fucking PS Now or whatever the hell that stupid game streaming thing is called. I just want them to be downloadable and playable on PS5.
I think InFamous should pull a First Light and give us a Zeke Dunbar: Super Spy game. Screw electrical powers, give us the man of action himself.
Cole could comeback, as a REMAKE of the first game, instead of continuation.
Considering what we were given in the paper trail arg, it seems the canon ending (regardless of prior karmic choices) is the "infamous" ending in 2, where Cole ends up becoming the beast... honestly why were the endings in 2 so freaking morally grey???
Honestly, I wish they would’ve stopped at two games because that was the perfect ending and infamous second son it’s so hard to figure out why there’s s steel conduit and I hate how infamous second son doesn’t connect as well from the first two games sucker punch said the reason why they didn’t wanna do that was because back then people were jumping ship from Xbox to PlayStation after they found out that originally you always had to have the consul online and if you didn’t connect to online servers within 24 hours, it would lock you out. I was one of those people that jumped shipped and because there’s new people going to be playing infamous for the first time they didn’t want people falling behind I guess which I hate the idea of that, because resident evil doesn’t care then I’m a new fan and that I haven’t been following this series since day one so why should infamous I feel like that was an excuse because I did play the first two games eventually and I’m probably gonna read the comic eventually and why do I get for my dedication jack shit and that really upsets me and they were going to continue it. I wish they would’ve continued it from the evil ending or not all but because we have infamous second son. I would love for that game to get a remake and get a overhaul also, I forgot to mention that after all these years call legacy is free to download which is the only small bit of content that connects the first two games the infamous second son
Just spoiled a game that I'll never get around to actually playing for myself but that's okay. I came for the reasoning.
I feel like we should get an Infamous 3 knowing it could be possible that Cole could be alive but with a much bigger threat, and we have the beast ending, where we can play Cole with the beast power but with new characters to play with to go against Cole or Work with Cole to see a new storyline.
You're right, infamous 2 should of been the end of the series. Every few years I plan through the one and two again, they still hold up every time. The first one is a bit crusty but I grew up on the early days of the ps3 so it doesn't bother me that much. When I was younger I wanted infamous to go on forever, but as I got older I was able to better appreciate the incredible story infamous told. I'd love a remaster of 1 and 2, but not a continuation. If they wanted to continue the series they already butchered the story and made a new one with second son. They might as well continue from there if they *had* to continue the series.
Honestly, as much as I miss Cole Macgrath, I have to agree that it's best that He remain dead as bringing Him back would feel contrived and make the Good Karma/canon ending of inFAMOUS 2 pointless
I think a good way of hitting an in-between and having another infamous game with cole would be to make a prequel where the version of cole we play as is Kessler before going back in time. It probably doesn't need to happen (as Kessler's story is already quite clear) but playing as him and knowing how he became who he is or maybe the game being about how he got his time powers (good or evil ways) would be cool. Only an idea thrown out there that we will never see made but still interesting to think about.
Yo! I get happy with your uploads, specific the God of War related, but i also love Infamous and i'm excited for this one, thank you!
Man, I grew up on infamous, it brings tears to my eyes to see Cole go, no matter how many times I've seen it before. I just wish we could have Zeke come back. Maybe have another electrical conduit that's like Zeke's nephew or something? And Zeke shows him the ropes?
At least someone understands why second son although great gameplay destroyed Cole’s sacrifice I think the good ending concluded the origanal series perfectly