Imagine if the Institute was nice and just actually went around offering jobs instead of immediately resorting to kidnapping. Wallace is utterly bamboozled when given the offer of a lifetime.
Imagine if the institute was actually trying to help people instead of committing mass genocide by slowly replacing people… and instead they they convinced the BOS to help them and tell them that the synths are being used for good and will gladly share technology for the good of the world
@@Emperormonkeman When Nick Valentine reveals to you that the Institute literally slaughtered and destroyed the very first Provisional Government of the Commonwealth that told me all I needed to know about them. They're straight up evil.
Can you imagine if the Minutemen had access to the Institutes resources? They could literally be able to relay to any location in a minutes notice of a Settlement being in trouble.
There should have been a couple of quests like this in the Minutemen questline. Basically 99% of Minutemen memes/hate are based around the Minutemen and Preston not doing anything. But this quest indicates that, other than founding new settlements, there's a ton of Minutemen activity happening offscreen.
They also apparently cut a lot of missions that interlock factions like this Out On Left field was suppose to be you preventing the Institute from broadcasting the same message in mankind Redefine
I’m continuing to see stuff that I missed by never siding with the institute. I’m quite thankful for ox and is dedication to getting every side in the main story
@@totower9597 I just never ended up siding with them. I never hated them. I just always went with the brotherhood or minute men. I’ve never sided with institute or the railroad.
@@UmbraFulgur Not in an alliance malitia, it's also just a Title given to the leader of the Minutemen. They're not a standing army, just civilians taking up arms to help each other through an organized militia. If someone in the Militia says to kill someone you're meant to protect, they've no reason to do so.
At 3:04 Father should have taken off his skin and revealed he was Preston Garvey. "Another Institute mission needs your help, here let me mark it on your map" 😳😲🤠😎
Ox, it`s been more than a few times that i watched your Full Story Of Fallout 4 and usually, i make myself confortable in my bed with my headphones on my head close my eyes and after a day of work i get to relax be listening to you narrate this series, truly magnificent. Keep it up champ.
24:30 Well. There is no indication that Wallace has spent his entire life in this one building like some kind of introvert scavenger. He's in his what early forties? He could very well have a scientific background but when he noticed the Institute began approaching him he fled to the homestead and tried to protect himself. The reason his lab is so sparse is because it's not his main base of operation. The Tesla Arc could just have been him building traps when he heard the Institute arriving which is when he locked himself behind the door.
We need a mod fixing this Questline. To be something that becomes an actual pivotal moment in the relationship between the commonwealth and the Institute.
At least telescopes and star charts. And periodic Table. And an Actual Lab in the basement. Some mutated plants, some experiments to make prewar artificial materials.
This quest put a pit in my stomach the first time I played this. I sided with the Institute out of honor of family; that was my son, and no matter what, I'd support him. But the only reason I got to the Institute was because of the Minuteman. All that time spent rescuing settlements, bringing the world back from the edge, all the companions who helped me with those quests. The Minutemen were my family. The conclusion of that quest will always stick with me... :(
Eh, as far as I'm concerned Father is a lying ass. The RR let us out after hacking the Institute (we where let out remotely, you can find terminals in the Institute talking about an unauthorized outside access, and a RR member was watching us when we leave the vault). The real Shaun was killed after their DNA was harvested, and Father is gaslighting us so we help him.
2:41 “oh good. here I was afraid I’d have nothing to do” I just find it hilarious that the son can be more mature than the father. I love how Sean is slowly getting used to his father’s sarcasm. lol 😂
What I found very interesting that I have forgotten is a minuteman private, telling their general that they don't take orders from me. This is probably the one and only time this is implied. If I knew that when offered the position of general I would have refused.
@@anareel4562 What confused me the most is Nate is ex-military, he knows that would have been insubordination. Grounds right there that throw his ass behind bars. (Or shoot him in the face) And then what does he say. OG I guess I was wrong. Hell Nora would even know this. I mean WTF. This is one of the many small issues I've had with this game.
The General is very similar to the Harbringer of the Companions in Skyrim. You're not a ruler like in the BoS, but a leader. You are the example to the other members of the Minutemen involving honor. Your title is only kept based on the respect the Minutemen have for you.
While I agree it's stupid, to give them some credit, he is right this isn't a military its a militia, these men and women aren't enlisted and they likely don't get any formal pay or incentive, these are just people who leave their farms and families to go protect someone else when called. I mean that's the whole reason the flare gun doesn't work when you are far away from a settlement, there aren't any settlers to come running, hell the guy himself said they saw a flare, they weren't ordered by a superior, they weren't given a plan, they just saw someone send out a signal and came running. (also I know it's an apocalypse but shooting a man for insubordination is a bit much, especially when they are trying to save someone from the Institute)
@@anareel4562 Actually they expained how the Minutemen works in the Defending the Castle Mission, the General isnt a dictator, you get to lead by example, and if the Minutement dont respect you, they dont do shit for you.
Can't help but love how this One random minuteman suddenly thinks he's the general. Like, dude.... back off. We're the ones that put the minutemen back together. Without us you wouldn't be here. You aren't the general. We are. Stop making things difficult.
think of it from his perspective. The Institute are objectively evil, they kidnap, extort and murder. They seen a flair and they did their duty (vuliuntarily may I add). To come save this man who asked for help, than your "general" is with the bad guys telling you to back off and let the guy who ASKED FOR HELP to be left alone with the Institute (the objectively evil people). Like nah son, this dude asked for help, we see the bad guys and you're saying it's all G, when we've seen the flair asking for help, so clearly it's not all okay. Your character even knows it's not okay, dudes trying to gasslight this citizen into letting Wallace 100% get taken and die lmao. Which is what happens.
I have to disagree completely. Every single video makes me realize how one dimensional and lazy the writing is. It’s such a bummer because I have fun playing. Just not for the awful story and zero character development.
yeah definitely feels like a half-baked quest for sure, honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was originally plans for the minutemen or something. But yeah there's one thing i do like about this quest is that it does show that a charismatic SS can work with even the more paranoid and hurt people of the commonwealth. The main argument for the institute is that you can guide them on a better path and to walk said path you're going to need to lead people.
My friends tell me I'm obsessed with you I tell them they've never played fallout You're doing a great job OX Thanks to you. I know more about the story plot then I've ever known just playing the game
I have an alterative explanation for the Minutemen saying that Wallace was "hold up in an Observatory" despite just being inside an intact House, maybe he WORKS at an Observatory he found, but he lives at a normal house. An Observatory might be very big, and hard to defend and keep safe for one guy, so he takes trips there in the day, studies, and comes home at night.
I suppose the question would be if there are any nearby observatories (i doubt it). It couldn't be far, because in an apocalypse you wouldn't be going long distances for work/hobbies. It's too dangerous
@Altair1243WAR There are no observatories in the game that I am aware of. So, none in the base game since I scoured the map (except the Glowing Sea, but I've seen Oxford's video on it). Might be one in a DLC.
A bit funny to see Nate's subtitles refer to him as "Sweets" when you swapped over to your minuteman character to film the footage. Ah the olden days. Good stuff all around.
I am very pleased to see you make more videos on Fallout 4. I am more than pleased to see you take the Institute route as well. They have always been my favorite. You never fail to disappoint, Oxhorn.
my favorite part of fallout was when i choose to go to the institute for the first time, found little shaun, and when father walked in, i wasted no time and just shot him square blank when the game doesnt give you options *make your own*
And here I sit, more invested in an older game played through with the utmost respect for the story on Saturday mornings, than I am in almost anything on TV these days. Genuinely love your work Ox, thanks for sharing stories I don’t fully have the time to explore anymore.
Me too. Just started playing last year and having a ball. I'm so spoiled having years of videos available instead of having to wait for new ones. (I am enjoying the new ones too. As soon as I saw the notification for a new one, I dove right in.)
Part of me wishes there were a way for certain factions which can co-exist to come to an agreement, something on the lines of the civil war meeting in Skyrim. The brotherhood could allow the minutemen as long as they surrender all pre-war technology and artillery. If the original brotherhood quest which allows synth Dance to become elder and make the Brotherhood less xenophobic, they could come to an agreement with the Railroad. Thoughts?
There actually is a peaceful ending in the game, all you have to do is destroy the Institute with the Minuteman and not be enemies with the Brotherhood or the Railroad.
The closest I have seen is the Subversion mod, and the Valkyrie mod. Subversion has an option where you march in with the Minutemen and persuade the Institute to cooperate. Do things right and it is a bloodless coup.
BoS should not exist. In every Fallout game, I execute every BoS member where and when I find one. Their very origin calls for the death penalty, they are military deserters who go mad trying to establish a medieval order in the modern age.
Minutemen are tge actual peace ending. They just want to be safe from raiders, pyschopaths, etc... who would otherwise harm or take advantage. No quarrels with anyone but the institute, who are obviously not for the "common good" like they would claim and even then, if they surrendered, that would probably be acceptable. Though that would never occur from the institute, you could probably peel away some fringe members like Madison Li, but the ones who grew up there are core followers and would never surrender their life's work to "savages"
I love this opening so much, X6-88 just casually walks up to the heads of the institute striking poses like, is this a human thing or are they malfunctioning
Thanks! Ox Man your Full Story Of Fallout 4 is truly heating up & you still have plenty more options to go through while you finish 4’s story. Your content and coverage of 4’s story is truly incredible. I’ve played through 4 and love everything Fallout I feel that the way you play through and tell the game’s story is 100% much better then any play through. You should do a follow up video once your done and tell us your own personal thoughts and experiences and how the game and the factions made you feel from when you first played through it. I know my first time I felt a connection with The Brotherhood Of Steel more then anything and every time I pick up Fallout 4 or even others I always side with and am for The Brotherhood.
I played 1 2 and tactics and the crummy one for PlayStation, I’m old born in the 80’s. I love fallout to the point where I LOVE having broken stuff, all my tools my phone my car my pipes and vapes. Everything looks like my brother says “looks like you dragged it out of a lake”
Probably the laser musket's fault they die. AI has funky aim sometimes and, while they are powerful, the reload is a pain. Plus synths have more armor IIRC and the higher RoF, which minimizes the penalty for missing
10:49 , 11:56 looks like hierarchy isn't well-developed among minutemen. İf people ignore leader's orders and talk to him like them, they are doomed. Soldiers like that should be punished harshly or even exiled
Every playthrough... i cannot Bring myself to help the institute. Out of all the main factions and all the sub factions... i find them the most corrupt and damaging. They may of had a new leader since all their debacles... but even father seams to have not ultimately learned anything.
Well it makes sense that the quest has no impact on the Minutemen. The Minutemen are the "Yes Man" option from New Vegas basically. The Failsafe if you somehow manage to cock it up with every single faction out there otherwise. Which is distinctly possible. I mean you can just mow down the railroad, Father, and the Brotherhood when you first see them and sever those quest lines. I find it actually kind of odd (but it does make sense storyline wise) that the only way you can really get booted out (temporarily) from the Minutemen (as Garvey is one of like... 20 essential NPCs in the whole game?) is joining the Nuka-World Raiders as their overboss. I mean makes sense considering his whole thing is to be Anti-Raider as it were. But still odd when you think about what role the Minutemen are supposed to have in the game. Like you can just Shotgun Father in the face to kill him the moment you first meet him, before you even talk to him quite easily. And you're done with the railroad and have to fight your way out past a lot of angry Synths back to the teleporter. You can shotgun Danse and Maxson in the face when you first meet them, similar situation. It's the easiest of the fights to take down Desdamonda at the Railroad meet because only Glory has a weapon and armor worth a damn, but you definitely can.
I think the Institute would gain more popularity if they used their synths to actually clean up all the muck and rubble around boston and start to repair the buildings, Roads, bridges and such and more or less make boston almost like its pre-war self. This is why i think the minutemen need their own DLC to make them be on par with the BoS,Gunners,Institute etc, their artillery is awesome, seeing as it can be used entirely across the map within reason, but their main infantry/patrols just aren't geared up properly to tackle what the commonwealth throws at them, i'd really love to see them wearing their own version of combat armour and wearing backpacks with bedrolls on them and such, or maybe using their own power armour setup , like how the raiders and BoS have their own versions of power armour, it'd be cool to see Minutemen maybe use the T-51 power armour?
You should make a video about your thoughts on the institute working with vault-tec and possibly even before the bombs fell..I think it could be interesting. Might sound wack but those horse leg hitters make you think deeper than usual. Needa lay off the buffjet
Part of the dialog between the survivor and the Minutemen is the Minuteman saying that he doesn't have to listen to the general. But, another dialog has the same man saying that he'll have his men stand down. So, what is it, the Minutemen follow a chain of command or not? Oh, the he writers of this game are hilarious. LOL.
I am happy to see that you still making movies about Fallout 4 :) Thank you, as always very informative movie :D Few days ago I done 100% of achievment so I stop playing F4, but I am pretty sure that I will return to this game
Great work "Ox". Completely enjoying this series, you are creating. I did one playthrough in support of the institute. I found it very awkward and disturbing, from the overall existence of the commonwealth being at peace under the Institute faction. My selfish reason for that was to have a Commonwealth without a crater emitting radiation throughout the CIT region. Bethesda could have benefited much more, as we all would have, had they stuck with such intensity towards detail and formidable lore in their ideology while creating this game. The time I offered anticipating Fallout 4 was well worth it, as I (in proof to enjoying your perspective in contribution, along with other content creators you are familiar with), have logged (equally to millions of others) thousands of hours and multiple playthroughs of this game. I know that I am not alone in thought that Bethesda could offer a "do-over" (Not a re-boot of new ideas and art), by adding in and on the shelved, discarded, sealed content that allowed for a much quicker release of Fallout 4. I definitely (like yourself Ox), do NOT need my mom's permission to invest in such potential, and also have the time to enjoy, such a potential. Nonetheless, I appreciate the content which you offer and share. It is a sort of DLC benefit for us Fallout lore, and Fallout 4 fans. I am still browes-ering which of your (Haberdasheries) "Merch" I would like to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
The thing is....BGS tried their best to as you can clearly see; The problem is that their development budget was fixed by Zenimax higher-ups along with the release date, and said budget could never be increased, so they had to make some hard cuts to both the story and mechanics not just to get the game out on time for release, but also to make sure they never went over their fixed budget.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 Red tape and deadlines...the father of us all sadly. Along the way at the least, we can enjoy a scotch and cigar with the "Ox".
@@dragonbornexpress5650Then they shouldn't have tried being so insanely ambitious about *everything* in the game. They could have cut/reduced (like the main BoS, settlement building and/or map size) a lot of things very early on that would have freed up resources elsewhere. I know they also had to cut down a lot of things for consoles/discs, when they knew the limitations of both at the start. 24:44
If ONLY The Institute handled Shaun's kidnapping in a completely different and CALM WAY as to not create MORE enemies for The Institute... Like CALMLY let the spouse of the SS out of the pod to CALMLY EXPLAIN instead of just outright yoinking the baby...
That one took me a couple of attempts to get through without pissing everyone off. it's bad enough that the BoS is after my ass. (Grape mentats helped!)
maybe Wallace lived outside the Commonwealth and after learning of the Institute watching him, he fled unwittingly into their sphere of control. I don't remember ever seeing Wallace anywhere other than this quest.
@anareel4562 Oxhorn has made short videos, this could be one of them. Also, how is Nick Valentine the only complex companion? Hancock? Cait? Piper? Lmao, what a horrible take. Regarding X6-88, I would like to understand why he reacts the way he does to certain dialogue. Likes the "X loved that" or "X hated that" messages. His ones seem quite strange compared to other companions.
@@romkoppel5302 okay Nick isn't the only complex character but he is the most complex, aside from Piper's interaction at the Diamond City gate and Nick's quest it feels like they rushed every other companion. Cait is a drug addict who uses to numb the pain, when you cure her does she grow and want to help others? No she remains selfish but just doesn't like drugs, wouldn't call that character development. Nick has the most character development and backstory. The other companions aren't bad, they just feel very bland compared. Yes Deacon is a mystery but there isn't much else to him. I feel like they started with Nick, knowing that he was going to be involved with a DLC, moved onto Piper knowing the SS would come across her in game (they do point you directly towards most of the companions through quests) and then made the rest just serviceable enough to pass as characters.
If you go to Ox's old video about whether synths are people, he talks about X6 and why he would hold the beliefs he does. He also digs into Institute's mechanism for developing coursers, a method that seemed hypocritical to me. Like, be independent but not too much...
I always side with the Minutemen Because of the Institute willingness for violent intervention against the Minutemen. Showing the institute will turn t the tyranny of technocratic oligarchy and the innocent citizens of the commonwealth will have no true rights. And When Maxson orders us to kill Paladin Danse. Showing the absolute level of no mercy, knowing innocent non feral ghouls and friendly mutants like Hancock and Strong. And danse is a friend you've fought killed and nearly died with and superior officer a brother in arms. And ordered to kill him. Minutemen allies with the Railroad. Being friendly and non combative as long as possible with the Brotherhood and Institute. I'm trying to keep the BOS allies, but making it clear that the commonwealth has the right to rebuild regardless of the use of Technology. Friendly but not subservient.
Too bad we can't get an unconditional surrender from the Institue while siding with Railroad or Minutemen instead of just nuking them. Make it a path for reformation instead of total destruction. Granted the worst of the Institute should be executed. A reformed Institute would be great especially if another Caesar or worse Master pops up.
Real rights...when did you feel like you ever had any rights? No one has rights when they are part of a society, any society. Only temporary privileges, emphasis on temporary. Only an absolute leader can take things further.
That is hilarious. Two people talking in the real world know where each other is located. They know which way to face. But, in Fallout 4 the spatial recognition barely functions. I'm absolutely shocked when my companion is standing two feet away from the enemy and knows which way to fire. Major LOL!
The way I see it, both the minuteman and the institute have very similar goals. The institute wanted provisional government and the minuteman wanted to form a government too. Now that you’re the leader of the institute, you could make an alliance between the minuteman and institute. I like to think this is the most logical thing you can do in order to restore the commonwealth. True there would be some who would be against this but with technologically advanced the institute is, they would be more likely to listen
One often underestimates just help powerful, and even dangerous, words alone can be. I can’t stand manipulation, but they played it really well here, I’ll give them that
I unintentionally encountered this with my Playthough of what was supposed to be strictly Minutemen, turned into a Institute Playthough. I was wondering when the castle would be attacked by them not realizing I had to manually anger them until after it was too late, I couldn't side with the Railroad because I was planning on doing their stuff after but that was until I got to Bunker Hill and failed their quest.
That`s why i execute every Minutemen present on the location, at that moment. Disobeying orders in time of war is punishable by death. Immediate effect.
@oxhorn first and foremost just want to say, great work my man, your dedication and thoroughness to getting full content are unmatched. But that being said i have a question and maybe its been answered... How do you manage to get all the possibilities into your video? For instance, theres a expert level lock in the house and you said you couldnt pick it, but then go on to show us if you could what we would find. Is this due to multiple playthroughs of the game, leveling up different skills to complete the alternative choice pathways? Im curious how you manage to be so thorough in your playthroughs, its quite impressive to say the least
I guess this quest, although incomplete or lacking in terms of content, fleshes out the way the Institute handles things with the Commonwealth. They may mean well but they have zero tact or interpersonal skills 😂 This is why they don't have patience nor the charisma to deal with people; if they don't get what they want, they won't negotiate🤣
I was general in my cryolator only run but I was beating with railroad, so when I did pinned I found that preston likes it when you tell the hourwomen to stand down cuz he is scared of institute
10:50 Why did you join the Minutemen then? This isn't a One-Man Show and we don't need Heroes who act for their own Ideals. Seriously just kick this Guy after that Statement. 12:00 That's the Point where you honorably discharge your Gun into his Face.
The minutemen are a volunteer militia. So he's right about this not being a military. The minutemen are built on respect. If they don't respect you, then your minutemen won't last. The minutemen aren't sheep like the brotherhood they won't just blindly follow your orders, especially if the order contradicts what the Minutemen stand for.
FO3 would of made an effort & certainly FNV would of added an observatory, shame as it would of looked pretty cool & certainly made more sense than a deralict house with a chem station & a tesla coil, my next playthrough will be more for the institute as these quests you just don't come across
Here's the thing: Not all books have been destroyed as you can clearly see in-game; Sure, they're not exactly plentiful, but you CAN find regular intact books.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 but they said this dude was very advanced in physics and you go in his house and you don't see nary a burnt book inside how did he get his education
Um.....I convinced them to stand down. I did the stand down soldier line and did a charisma check and they stood down. Guess my playthrough was bugged 😂 it was badass
Is there a video about talking to the minutemen after helping the Bos blow up the insitute cause I sided with the Bos and destroyed everything and everyone that was in the insitute I deactivate a good amount of the synths but I didn't order a evacate and I let everyone get blow up and I even shot shaun and even let shaun robot version also go boom
23:03 I thought of this part when I was at work. Coworker is lazy and will ask dumb stuff like if I'm going to do something. I really want to reply like him there. Guess I'll have to since you're useless. Some of the sarcastic remarks have me dying. Really nice you include all the dialogue even if it doesn't change the outcome.
If you have a silver tongue and can talk those Minutemen off of the Institute foul up I'm surprised you can't do the same with the Gunners. Nate: guys look how much is he paying? I think we can do you one better. we really need his help with a little physics problem.Gunners: Oh really, well we're listening.
Imagine if the Institute was nice and just actually went around offering jobs instead of immediately resorting to kidnapping. Wallace is utterly bamboozled when given the offer of a lifetime.
Imagine if the institute was actually trying to help people instead of committing mass genocide by slowly replacing people… and instead they they convinced the BOS to help them and tell them that the synths are being used for good and will gladly share technology for the good of the world
Or offering people the opportunity to host a synth like an exchange student
@@EmperormonkemanBOS does not care what the synths are built for. They just care that they're being built and want it destroyed
@@thelvadam5113 way to kill the mood
@@Emperormonkeman When Nick Valentine reveals to you that the Institute literally slaughtered and destroyed the very first Provisional Government of the Commonwealth that told me all I needed to know about them. They're straight up evil.
Can you imagine if the Minutemen had access to the Institutes resources? They could literally be able to relay to any location in a minutes notice of a Settlement being in trouble.
Now that would be awesome. Now if someone would just improve the institute laser weapons.
There should have been a couple of quests like this in the Minutemen questline. Basically 99% of Minutemen memes/hate are based around the Minutemen and Preston not doing anything. But this quest indicates that, other than founding new settlements, there's a ton of Minutemen activity happening offscreen.
110%. Ughh makes me mad because you never get much regarding synths besides a. Immediately hostile b. Stupid random who’s a synth random encounter
They also apparently cut a lot of missions that interlock factions like this
Out On Left field was suppose to be you preventing the Institute from broadcasting the same message in mankind Redefine
I’m continuing to see stuff that I missed by never siding with the institute. I’m quite thankful for ox and is dedication to getting every side in the main story
After all, The Institute is the best hope for the mankind ... redefined.
I don't believe they are evil... all and all they get a lot more hate then they deserve.
@@UmbraFulgur a very fair point
@@totower9597 I just never ended up siding with them. I never hated them. I just always went with the brotherhood or minute men. I’ve never sided with institute or the railroad.
I'm finally siding with the institute because of this.
Gotta respect this Minutemen’s integrity and devotion to protect Wallace even if a higher up is telling him to stand down.
When a general give you a direct order, you obey without questions. Martial law...punishment is death.
@@UmbraFulguruh no? If an order goes against your oath you have a right to refuse
@@UmbraFulgur Not in an alliance malitia, it's also just a Title given to the leader of the Minutemen. They're not a standing army, just civilians taking up arms to help each other through an organized militia. If someone in the Militia says to kill someone you're meant to protect, they've no reason to do so.
@@UmbraFulgur That's how we got Nazis
@@UmbraFulgurSo, a Brotherhood of Steel fan aren't ya?
At 3:04 Father should have taken off his skin and revealed he was Preston Garvey. "Another Institute mission needs your help, here let me mark it on your map" 😳😲🤠😎
😳😱
It's really ridiculous how easily the Minutemen go down in this. Like, really. The Minutemen really were given the shaft in the vanilla game.
That’s why I use a couple mods but usually I also prefer the Brotherhood
Ox, it`s been more than a few times that i watched your Full Story Of Fallout 4 and usually, i make myself confortable in my bed with my headphones on my head close my eyes and after a day of work i get to relax be listening to you narrate this series, truly magnificent. Keep it up champ.
After all these years still learning more and more about fallout 4
24:30 Well. There is no indication that Wallace has spent his entire life in this one building like some kind of introvert scavenger. He's in his what early forties? He could very well have a scientific background but when he noticed the Institute began approaching him he fled to the homestead and tried to protect himself.
The reason his lab is so sparse is because it's not his main base of operation. The Tesla Arc could just have been him building traps when he heard the Institute arriving which is when he locked himself behind the door.
We need a mod fixing this Questline.
To be something that becomes an actual pivotal moment in the relationship between the commonwealth and the Institute.
At least telescopes and star charts. And periodic Table.
And an Actual Lab in the basement. Some mutated plants, some experiments to make prewar artificial materials.
Would’ve been cool if SS could’ve given the Cabot Serum to Father.
Oh well… maybe there’s a mod.
Vault 81 cure...
@@UmbraFulgur but you wouldn't take it from that little boy... would you 🥺 you monster.
@Emilian Edward Sava that only works on infectious diseases, not cancer
There is, hopefully it doesn’t crash my game.
@@nobbyfirefly57 Thanks! Good to know. Fingers crossed for your game.
This quest put a pit in my stomach the first time I played this. I sided with the Institute out of honor of family; that was my son, and no matter what, I'd support him. But the only reason I got to the Institute was because of the Minuteman. All that time spent rescuing settlements, bringing the world back from the edge, all the companions who helped me with those quests. The Minutemen were my family. The conclusion of that quest will always stick with me... :(
exactly why ive never sided with the institute, i cant bring myself to betray all the characters I've grown to love lol
Eh, as far as I'm concerned Father is a lying ass. The RR let us out after hacking the Institute (we where let out remotely, you can find terminals in the Institute talking about an unauthorized outside access, and a RR member was watching us when we leave the vault). The real Shaun was killed after their DNA was harvested, and Father is gaslighting us so we help him.
Yes institute all the
Lol at the Dr. Dean Bethesda speaking to Father with his back turned. Can only imagine how awkward that’d be IRL.
2:41 “oh good. here I was afraid I’d have nothing to do” I just find it hilarious that the son can be more mature than the father. I love how Sean is slowly getting used to his father’s sarcasm. lol 😂
Lol yeah
Uhh how positive are we that this man doesn't just have a theoretical degree in physics??
What I found very interesting that I have forgotten is a minuteman private, telling their general that they don't take orders from me. This is probably the one and only time this is implied. If I knew that when offered the position of general I would have refused.
Someone at Bethesda liked the idea of a military faction but didn't understand how military works at all
@@anareel4562 What confused me the most is Nate is ex-military, he knows that would have been insubordination. Grounds right there that throw his ass behind bars. (Or shoot him in the face) And then what does he say. OG I guess I was wrong. Hell Nora would even know this.
I mean WTF.
This is one of the many small issues I've had with this game.
The General is very similar to the Harbringer of the Companions in Skyrim. You're not a ruler like in the BoS, but a leader. You are the example to the other members of the Minutemen involving honor. Your title is only kept based on the respect the Minutemen have for you.
While I agree it's stupid, to give them some credit, he is right this isn't a military its a militia, these men and women aren't enlisted and they likely don't get any formal pay or incentive, these are just people who leave their farms and families to go protect someone else when called. I mean that's the whole reason the flare gun doesn't work when you are far away from a settlement, there aren't any settlers to come running, hell the guy himself said they saw a flare, they weren't ordered by a superior, they weren't given a plan, they just saw someone send out a signal and came running.
(also I know it's an apocalypse but shooting a man for insubordination is a bit much, especially when they are trying to save someone from the Institute)
@@anareel4562 Actually they expained how the Minutemen works in the Defending the Castle Mission, the General isnt a dictator, you get to lead by example, and if the Minutement dont respect you, they dont do shit for you.
Can't help but love how this One random minuteman suddenly thinks he's the general. Like, dude.... back off. We're the ones that put the minutemen back together. Without us you wouldn't be here.
You aren't the general. We are. Stop making things difficult.
It's not an actual military, it's more of a group of like minded individuals banded together to make the world a safer place.
think of it from his perspective. The Institute are objectively evil, they kidnap, extort and murder.
They seen a flair and they did their duty (vuliuntarily may I add). To come save this man who asked for help, than your "general" is with the bad guys telling you to back off and let the guy who ASKED FOR HELP to be left alone with the Institute (the objectively evil people).
Like nah son, this dude asked for help, we see the bad guys and you're saying it's all G, when we've seen the flair asking for help, so clearly it's not all okay. Your character even knows it's not okay, dudes trying to gasslight this citizen into letting Wallace 100% get taken and die lmao. Which is what happens.
Yeah but he is standing up for what he believes in so you gotta respect that
Thank you for continuing the fallout series I truly love it 🙏
Amazing work as usual. Very happy to see so many people support your channel to keep your passion going
this series is making me realize how well written fallout 4 really is.
I have to disagree completely. Every single video makes me realize how one dimensional and lazy the writing is. It’s such a bummer because I have fun playing. Just not for the awful story and zero character development.
@@GangstarComputerGodSome companions do have character development.
The writers even said the story wasn’t that good, I get both the enjoyment and the criticism.
yeah definitely feels like a half-baked quest for sure, honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was originally plans for the minutemen or something.
But yeah there's one thing i do like about this quest is that it does show that a charismatic SS can work with even the more paranoid and hurt people of the commonwealth. The main argument for the institute is that you can guide them on a better path and to walk said path you're going to need to lead people.
"Oh thanks, son.".... "Daddy hates you."
My friends tell me I'm obsessed with you
I tell them they've never played fallout
You're doing a great job OX
Thanks to you. I know more about the story plot then I've ever known just playing the game
I have an alterative explanation for the Minutemen saying that Wallace was "hold up in an Observatory" despite just being inside an intact House, maybe he WORKS at an Observatory he found, but he lives at a normal house. An Observatory might be very big, and hard to defend and keep safe for one guy, so he takes trips there in the day, studies, and comes home at night.
I suppose the question would be if there are any nearby observatories (i doubt it). It couldn't be far, because in an apocalypse you wouldn't be going long distances for work/hobbies. It's too dangerous
@Altair1243WAR There are no observatories in the game that I am aware of. So, none in the base game since I scoured the map (except the Glowing Sea, but I've seen Oxford's video on it). Might be one in a DLC.
A bit funny to see Nate's subtitles refer to him as "Sweets" when you swapped over to your minuteman character to film the footage. Ah the olden days. Good stuff all around.
The second he says he doesn’t take orders from his general, he is removed from position or this earth.
If u were able to talk him into joining the institute he is glad and happy he is there to help out
All these institute storylines are interesting
imagine this guy have a british accent, the way he talks is exactly the same as spiffing brit
I am very pleased to see you make more videos on Fallout 4. I am more than pleased to see you take the Institute route as well. They have always been my favorite. You never fail to disappoint, Oxhorn.
My favorite part of this quest is telling Enrico what a screw up he is and how he has to just sit there and take it.
Is not a field man and he pointed out clearly. So is not his fault.
Enrico was the guy that kept all the old world tech behind the walls working So that he didn't get trapped underground with all the lights out.
I just realized this video isn't 4-6 years old yet holy
Holy shit I just realise that too
my favorite part of fallout was when i choose to go to the institute for the first time, found little shaun, and when father walked in, i wasted no time and just shot him square blank
when the game doesnt give you options
*make your own*
I did that on my first play through. If no one sees you, you just walk right out with no repercussions.
24:47 not the dancing glass being ignored
And here I sit, more invested in an older game played through with the utmost respect for the story on Saturday mornings, than I am in almost anything on TV these days. Genuinely love your work Ox, thanks for sharing stories I don’t fully have the time to explore anymore.
Me too. Just started playing last year and having a ball. I'm so spoiled having years of videos available instead of having to wait for new ones. (I am enjoying the new ones too. As soon as I saw the notification for a new one, I dove right in.)
You missed a line of unique dialogue from Preston: “I know it’s unusual, but you’re gonna have to trust the General here.” Something like that.
Part of me wishes there were a way for certain factions which can co-exist to come to an agreement, something on the lines of the civil war meeting in Skyrim.
The brotherhood could allow the minutemen as long as they surrender all pre-war technology and artillery.
If the original brotherhood quest which allows synth Dance to become elder and make the Brotherhood less xenophobic, they could come to an agreement with the Railroad.
Thoughts?
There actually is a peaceful ending in the game, all you have to do is destroy the Institute with the Minuteman and not be enemies with the Brotherhood or the Railroad.
The closest I have seen is the Subversion mod, and the Valkyrie mod.
Subversion has an option where you march in with the Minutemen and persuade the Institute to cooperate. Do things right and it is a bloodless coup.
BoS should not exist. In every Fallout game, I execute every BoS member where and when I find one. Their very origin calls for the death penalty, they are military deserters who go mad trying to establish a medieval order in the modern age.
Minutemen are tge actual peace ending. They just want to be safe from raiders, pyschopaths, etc... who would otherwise harm or take advantage. No quarrels with anyone but the institute, who are obviously not for the "common good" like they would claim and even then, if they surrendered, that would probably be acceptable. Though that would never occur from the institute, you could probably peel away some fringe members like Madison Li, but the ones who grew up there are core followers and would never surrender their life's work to "savages"
@@BrettCaton Valkyrie Mod is just too anime feeling for me. Doesnt feel like Fallout
I love this opening so much, X6-88 just casually walks up to the heads of the institute striking poses like, is this a human thing or are they malfunctioning
Nothing is more relatable than a guy in HEV suit with a fecemask, good job Enrico!
Thanks! Ox Man your Full Story Of Fallout 4 is truly heating up & you still have plenty more options to go through while you finish 4’s story. Your content and coverage of 4’s story is truly incredible. I’ve played through 4 and love everything Fallout I feel that the way you play through and tell the game’s story is 100% much better then any play through. You should do a follow up video once your done and tell us your own personal thoughts and experiences and how the game and the factions made you feel from when you first played through it. I know my first time I felt a connection with The Brotherhood Of Steel more then anything and every time I pick up Fallout 4 or even others I always side with and am for The Brotherhood.
I played 1 2 and tactics and the crummy one for PlayStation, I’m old born in the 80’s. I love fallout to the point where I LOVE having broken stuff, all my tools my phone my car my pipes and vapes. Everything looks like my brother says “looks like you dragged it out of a lake”
Damn the minutemen in my playthroughs usually survive this encounter. No, I don't use mods. I'm unfortunately a PS4 player
Probably the laser musket's fault they die. AI has funky aim sometimes and, while they are powerful, the reload is a pain. Plus synths have more armor IIRC and the higher RoF, which minimizes the penalty for missing
@Joseph Autry true, but when the laser musket hits it hits. Especially when minutemen spawn with the higher crank laser muskets
Wallace reminds of another genius who has a theoretical degree in physics in the fallout universe fantastic isn’t it
It would have been hilarious if they would have been picking up Fantastic instead of Wallace
I missed your videos man pls keep up those series love ya
Is everyone returning to fallout 4 after like 4 years? It feels that way lol
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26:47. Favorite line in the whole game. Idk why.
10:49 , 11:56 looks like hierarchy isn't well-developed among minutemen. İf people ignore leader's orders and talk to him like them, they are doomed. Soldiers like that should be punished harshly or even exiled
I love than no one points out the word "invtation" implys this man has the choice to say no.
And the man say no because he doesn`t know it will be the best thing for him to go. Prejudice....
Every playthrough... i cannot Bring myself to help the institute. Out of all the main factions and all the sub factions... i find them the most corrupt and damaging. They may of had a new leader since all their debacles... but even father seams to have not ultimately learned anything.
Well it makes sense that the quest has no impact on the Minutemen. The Minutemen are the "Yes Man" option from New Vegas basically. The Failsafe if you somehow manage to cock it up with every single faction out there otherwise. Which is distinctly possible. I mean you can just mow down the railroad, Father, and the Brotherhood when you first see them and sever those quest lines.
I find it actually kind of odd (but it does make sense storyline wise) that the only way you can really get booted out (temporarily) from the Minutemen (as Garvey is one of like... 20 essential NPCs in the whole game?) is joining the Nuka-World Raiders as their overboss.
I mean makes sense considering his whole thing is to be Anti-Raider as it were. But still odd when you think about what role the Minutemen are supposed to have in the game. Like you can just Shotgun Father in the face to kill him the moment you first meet him, before you even talk to him quite easily. And you're done with the railroad and have to fight your way out past a lot of angry Synths back to the teleporter.
You can shotgun Danse and Maxson in the face when you first meet them, similar situation.
It's the easiest of the fights to take down Desdamonda at the Railroad meet because only Glory has a weapon and armor worth a damn, but you definitely can.
Great video. Love how you go through all options.
Just in time for a good night sleep. Looks like you have a different Mr Sandman real life perk.
This hurts my minuteman heart.
I think the Institute would gain more popularity if they used their synths to actually clean up all the muck and rubble around boston and start to repair the buildings, Roads, bridges and such and more or less make boston almost like its pre-war self.
This is why i think the minutemen need their own DLC to make them be on par with the BoS,Gunners,Institute etc, their artillery is awesome, seeing as it can be used entirely across the map within reason, but their main infantry/patrols just aren't geared up properly to tackle what the commonwealth throws at them, i'd really love to see them wearing their own version of combat armour and wearing backpacks with bedrolls on them and such, or maybe using their own power armour setup , like how the raiders and BoS have their own versions of power armour, it'd be cool to see Minutemen maybe use the T-51 power armour?
I had no idea. I learn something new every week. Thanks
Hmmmmm dose Wallace have a theoretical degree in physics?
You should make a video about your thoughts on the institute working with vault-tec and possibly even before the bombs fell..I think it could be interesting. Might sound wack but those horse leg hitters make you think deeper than usual. Needa lay off the buffjet
Don’t know if you’ll see this… but I swear the scientist has the same speech characters as Travis. Have you noticed that???
Part of the dialog between the survivor and the Minutemen is the Minuteman saying that he doesn't have to listen to the general. But, another dialog has the same man saying that he'll have his men stand down. So, what is it, the Minutemen follow a chain of command or not? Oh, the he writers of this game are hilarious. LOL.
I am happy to see that you still making movies about Fallout 4 :) Thank you, as always very informative movie :D Few days ago I done 100% of achievment so I stop playing F4, but I am pretty sure that I will return to this game
Great work "Ox". Completely enjoying this series, you are creating. I did one playthrough in support of the institute. I found it very awkward and disturbing, from the overall existence of the commonwealth being at peace under the Institute faction. My selfish reason for that was to have a Commonwealth without a crater emitting radiation throughout the CIT region.
Bethesda could have benefited much more, as we all would have, had they stuck with such intensity towards detail and formidable lore in their ideology while creating this game. The time I offered anticipating Fallout 4 was well worth it, as I (in proof to enjoying your perspective in contribution, along with other content creators you are familiar with), have logged (equally to millions of others) thousands of hours and multiple playthroughs of this game.
I know that I am not alone in thought that Bethesda could offer a "do-over" (Not a re-boot of new ideas and art), by adding in and on the shelved, discarded, sealed content that allowed for a much quicker release of Fallout 4. I definitely (like yourself Ox), do NOT need my mom's permission to invest in such potential, and also have the time to enjoy, such a potential.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the content which you offer and share. It is a sort of DLC benefit for us Fallout lore, and Fallout 4 fans. I am still browes-ering which of your (Haberdasheries) "Merch" I would like to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
The thing is....BGS tried their best to as you can clearly see; The problem is that their development budget was fixed by Zenimax higher-ups along with the release date, and said budget could never be increased, so they had to make some hard cuts to both the story and mechanics not just to get the game out on time for release, but also to make sure they never went over their fixed budget.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 Red tape and deadlines...the father of us all sadly. Along the way at the least, we can enjoy a scotch and cigar with the "Ox".
@@tonywilliams7918. To be fair, without deadlines or red tape, no game would ever get released for better or worse.
@@dragonbornexpress5650Then they shouldn't have tried being so insanely ambitious about *everything* in the game. They could have cut/reduced (like the main BoS, settlement building and/or map size) a lot of things very early on that would have freed up resources elsewhere. I know they also had to cut down a lot of things for consoles/discs, when they knew the limitations of both at the start. 24:44
If ONLY The Institute handled Shaun's kidnapping in a completely different and CALM WAY as to not create MORE enemies for The Institute...
Like CALMLY let the spouse of the SS out of the pod to CALMLY EXPLAIN instead of just outright yoinking the baby...
That one took me a couple of attempts to get through without pissing everyone off. it's bad enough that the BoS is after my ass. (Grape mentats helped!)
I love your videos. Fallout 4 is my favorite game, and it's really cool to still discover new things. Thank you for the content.
maybe Wallace lived outside the Commonwealth and after learning of the Institute watching him, he fled unwittingly into their sphere of control. I don't remember ever seeing Wallace anywhere other than this quest.
Dear Oxhorn, could you make a dedicated video about X6-88, devlping deep into his story and psychology? I know nothing about him at the moment.
He's a literal robot that puppets the Institute's ideals, he's actually really simple, like almost every other companion that isn't Nick Valentine
@anareel4562 Oxhorn has made short videos, this could be one of them. Also, how is Nick Valentine the only complex companion? Hancock? Cait? Piper? Lmao, what a horrible take. Regarding X6-88, I would like to understand why he reacts the way he does to certain dialogue. Likes the "X loved that" or "X hated that" messages. His ones seem quite strange compared to other companions.
@@romkoppel5302 okay Nick isn't the only complex character but he is the most complex, aside from Piper's interaction at the Diamond City gate and Nick's quest it feels like they rushed every other companion. Cait is a drug addict who uses to numb the pain, when you cure her does she grow and want to help others? No she remains selfish but just doesn't like drugs, wouldn't call that character development. Nick has the most character development and backstory. The other companions aren't bad, they just feel very bland compared. Yes Deacon is a mystery but there isn't much else to him. I feel like they started with Nick, knowing that he was going to be involved with a DLC, moved onto Piper knowing the SS would come across her in game (they do point you directly towards most of the companions through quests) and then made the rest just serviceable enough to pass as characters.
If you go to Ox's old video about whether synths are people, he talks about X6 and why he would hold the beliefs he does. He also digs into Institute's mechanism for developing coursers, a method that seemed hypocritical to me. Like, be independent but not too much...
the gunners are mercenaries for money
and the minutemen are savages for free
because savages do it for free
Agreed.
I always side with the Minutemen
Because of the Institute willingness for violent intervention against the Minutemen. Showing the institute will turn t the tyranny of technocratic oligarchy and the innocent citizens of the commonwealth will have no true rights.
And
When Maxson orders us to kill Paladin Danse.
Showing the absolute level of no mercy, knowing innocent non feral ghouls and friendly mutants like Hancock and Strong.
And danse is a friend you've fought killed and nearly died with and superior officer a brother in arms. And ordered to kill him.
Minutemen allies with the Railroad.
Being friendly and non combative as long as possible with the Brotherhood and Institute.
I'm trying to keep the BOS allies, but making it clear that the commonwealth has the right to rebuild regardless of the use of Technology. Friendly but not subservient.
Too bad we can't get an unconditional surrender from the Institue while siding with Railroad or Minutemen instead of just nuking them. Make it a path for reformation instead of total destruction. Granted the worst of the Institute should be executed.
A reformed Institute would be great especially if another Caesar or worse Master pops up.
Real rights...when did you feel like you ever had any rights? No one has rights when they are part of a society, any society. Only temporary privileges, emphasis on temporary.
Only an absolute leader can take things further.
That is hilarious. Two people talking in the real world know where each other is located. They know which way to face. But, in Fallout 4 the spatial recognition barely functions. I'm absolutely shocked when my companion is standing two feet away from the enemy and knows which way to fire. Major LOL!
Ooh I wish these came out faster. But I get it, in the mean time iv been going thru all fallout playlists
I really need to make a bunch of grape mentants.😅
The way I see it, both the minuteman and the institute have very similar goals. The institute wanted provisional government and the minuteman wanted to form a government too.
Now that you’re the leader of the institute, you could make an alliance between the minuteman and institute.
I like to think this is the most logical thing you can do in order to restore the commonwealth. True there would be some who would be against this but with technologically advanced the institute is, they would be more likely to listen
Good story telling and editing my dude.
One often underestimates just help powerful, and even dangerous, words alone can be. I can’t stand manipulation, but they played it really well here, I’ll give them that
I unintentionally encountered this with my Playthough of what was supposed to be strictly Minutemen, turned into a Institute Playthough. I was wondering when the castle would be attacked by them not realizing I had to manually anger them until after it was too late, I couldn't side with the Railroad because I was planning on doing their stuff after but that was until I got to Bunker Hill and failed their quest.
That`s why i execute every Minutemen present on the location, at that moment.
Disobeying orders in time of war is punishable by death. Immediate effect.
@oxhorn first and foremost just want to say, great work my man, your dedication and thoroughness to getting full content are unmatched. But that being said i have a question and maybe its been answered... How do you manage to get all the possibilities into your video? For instance, theres a expert level lock in the house and you said you couldnt pick it, but then go on to show us if you could what we would find. Is this due to multiple playthroughs of the game, leveling up different skills to complete the alternative choice pathways? Im curious how you manage to be so thorough in your playthroughs, its quite impressive to say the least
Its strange that the Institute keeps using gen 3 synths. They clearly have no control over them not even their special runners.
I guess this quest, although incomplete or lacking in terms of content, fleshes out the way the Institute handles things with the Commonwealth.
They may mean well but they have zero tact or interpersonal skills 😂
This is why they don't have patience nor the charisma to deal with people; if they don't get what they want, they won't negotiate🤣
Can't wait till the Minute Men body the Institute.
I was general in my cryolator only run but I was beating with railroad, so when I did pinned I found that preston likes it when you tell the hourwomen to stand down cuz he is scared of institute
It always annoyed me the head of robotics didn't get a seat or jacket. Like that department is more important than SRB and arguably advanced systems
Is this game rly old enough now that there’s a story recap?😭
It annoys me to no end when the institue refers to outsiders as savages.
10:50 Why did you join the Minutemen then? This isn't a One-Man Show and we don't need Heroes who act for their own Ideals.
Seriously just kick this Guy after that Statement.
12:00 That's the Point where you honorably discharge your Gun into his Face.
The minutemen are a volunteer militia. So he's right about this not being a military. The minutemen are built on respect. If they don't respect you, then your minutemen won't last. The minutemen aren't sheep like the brotherhood they won't just blindly follow your orders, especially if the order contradicts what the Minutemen stand for.
@@mal1362 Got it. Volunteer = 0 Respect and Discipline to an Authority Figure.
FO3 would of made an effort & certainly FNV would of added an observatory, shame as it would of looked pretty cool & certainly made more sense than a deralict house with a chem station & a tesla coil, my next playthrough will be more for the institute as these quests you just don't come across
How do these ppl get the knowledge since books and formal schooling have been destroyed
Here's the thing: Not all books have been destroyed as you can clearly see in-game; Sure, they're not exactly plentiful, but you CAN find regular intact books.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 but they said this dude was very advanced in physics and you go in his house and you don't see nary a burnt book inside how did he get his education
Um.....I convinced them to stand down. I did the stand down soldier line and did a charisma check and they stood down. Guess my playthrough was bugged 😂 it was badass
What's the point of the Minutemen as an organization - leaders and all - if chain-of-command does not exist?
You seem to be misunderstanding their entire ideology.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 I always thought it was about fighting injustice.
Military organization -> ranks -> orders > disobedience punished with DEATH!
IDEOLOGY in any army is prohibited. And for good reason.
Is there a video about talking to the minutemen after helping the Bos blow up the insitute cause I sided with the Bos and destroyed everything and everyone that was in the insitute I deactivate a good amount of the synths but I didn't order a evacate and I let everyone get blow up and I even shot shaun and even let shaun robot version also go boom
23:03 I thought of this part when I was at work. Coworker is lazy and will ask dumb stuff like if I'm going to do something.
I really want to reply like him there. Guess I'll have to since you're useless.
Some of the sarcastic remarks have me dying. Really nice you include all the dialogue even if it doesn't change the outcome.
*sees thumbnail
Me: "Do it!"
If you have a silver tongue and can talk those Minutemen off of the Institute foul up I'm surprised you can't do the same with the Gunners. Nate: guys look how much is he paying? I think we can do you one better. we really need his help with a little physics problem.Gunners: Oh really, well we're listening.
Such an in-depth analysis.
That's what I love about Oxhorn! You learn so much in his Fallout 4 lore videos :)
I lve your opening music, it really sets the tone, great job keep up the good job 😎🤘🍻
My theorie how scientists like doctor lee or T.S. Wallace exist in this world is that they learn this things froom scientist pre war ghouls
Fallout 5 has the capacity to be the greatest game ever made.
And it never shall, because penny pinching us on re-treads of 76, makes more money.
Hi Ox. Im a fan of you and this is good. keep making these kind of videos please!
Thanks!