In this video, I rank the Winners of Survivor once again, but this time, instead of ranking their winning games, I rank them based on how I assess them as players.
It would take 22.1390243902 hours if he ranked every player with the speed he did in this video… i need help. Maybe slightly more tho. EDIT: It was 23.8868421053 hours, so close to 24…
I love that Tommy auditioned for Big Brother, was cast, turned it down because he was just testing the casting process, then auditioned for Survivor then wiped the floor with everyone without using a single advantage or immunity win himself despite production doing things that were detrimental to his game.
Feels right to have Sarah so high! If you told me I had to choose ONE player to play for my life in 1,000 rounds of Survivor, I’d choose Sarah without a doubt. Her ability to strike without seeming aggressive or in control; her ability to make social bonds without getting bogged down by “loyalty”; her ability to intuitively read what’s going on - incredible player.
For me its kim The ammount of treat level she was supposed to have in WaW was so well hided If F8 vote have got in Kim's way, i think she wins Kim and Sarah are very similar players, Sarah is also very very good But in 1000 simulatuons i think kim wins more because of comps Kim jury managment is also flawless
@@bmillz6243 well no. If natalie Anderson wins with the game she played she isn’t number one Bc that’s a terrible game. If someone were to play a good winning game in WAW they always had a good argument to be #1
Kim and Michele are both on to him which was why Kim was voted out by Tony and Tony do not want to work with Michele in the game. WAW become 1 vs 4 (Tony, the immovable rock (Ben (wish some1 else took his place so we get more interesting gameplay)), The super blind (Sarah), The dead tired (Dennis), I can still forgive Dennis cuz she got super tired.
Sarah was on to Tony, I’m pretty sure she was willing to cut him at any point post-merge but he just kept winning immunity and he was beneficial to her game up until the Sophie vote.
@@handsoaphandsoap she wasn't onto Tony... After Tony voted out Kim he was in full control. No she wasn't willing to cut Tony, there's many times she cld have voted out Tony when Michele or Natalie have immunity but she didn't. Michelle has literally told her in her face that Tony is running the show/game but she refused to believed it... Even after the game and during her interview/podcast, she still thinks she has a good chance of winning if she and Tony both reach the end in F3 and the vote will split between the 2 of them.
Tony was terrible in S34, but even then he: -diminished his threat level ahead of a third appearance; -learned how to compensate for some of his natural failings; and -cleared the way for Sarah to win unencumbered with Tony's baggage, thus allowing her to qualify for an all winner season and give him an ally he could rely on absolutely. I'm not suggesting he was playing a long game in sacrificing S34 because he had his eye on a bigger prize, but it sure worked out that way.
@@aperson22222 “cleared the way for sarah to win” “allowing her to qualify for an all winner season and give him an ally he could rely on.” Sounds like it was his idea for her to win
@@Dylanssss No, you have to read the entire comment, including “I’m not suggesting he was playing a long game . . . “ Come on, this comment has been up there for anyone to see for seven months now, that’s more than enough time to read all of it.
i totally agree with the assessment of aras. he was the leader of the tribe early on bc everyone quickly realized that late into the game, aras would have to be the kingslayer that took down terry. and if it wasn’t for terry’s idol i think there’s almost no chance aras makes it to final 3 even, i think it’s very possible that they would take him out first. it’s weirdly similar to what we’re seeing right now in big brother 23, where the cookout wants to keep derek x in the game so he can be the one to beat christian in competitions, but once the king is slayed then who slays the kingslayer? it’s a really tough spot, and weirdly enough aras was quite literally protected by terry’s idol more than terry himself was.
If game changers had ACTUAL game changers on it, Tony would’ve gone much further in my opinion. However I’m glad he didn’t because it let us see the glory that is his WaW game
Right. I mean as much as Ik Tony is a threat I feel like actual good players don't get rid of him immediately. And if he was Playing against good players his Strategy would've worked man.
@@robtheservantof6257 he should’ve adapted to the game. He did to himself without his paranoia because he wasn’t the target until he was against Sandra
@@junsong9581he new he didn’t have a chance once he got to see all the cast he identified he was 1 out 3 winners in the game changer out 17 other contestants he wasn’t trying he said it on a podcast
16:37 Good job pointing that out. A unknown fact was that jim rice actually REALLY fucking liked cochran as a person. He has said numerous times afterward that they would hang out for literally hours on end every day because he was just such a likeable guy. That was another reason why he reacted so harshly, even compared to others on the flip. Even beyond the fact that it killed any chance he had of winning, he felt sincerely hurt and betrayed that the only actual friend he had on the island did that. He even said if cochran told him instead of dawn, he would have worked everything in this power to convince the other tribe to do at instead, to ease that feeling, or let ozzy just let cochran keep the idol. Even with the "I never want to speak to you again" he later on admitted it was impossible to keep a angry mind at him and had since long beyond made up with him, starting roughly a year after airing
Tom over Yul/Wendell is the only thing that feels weird just because Tom’s game doesn’t feel as transferable to this era of play. Love how you study the game tho another great vid and strong rankings.
It’s not fair to take his game out of context and hold that against him. It wouldn’t work now, but neither would Richard Hatch’s strategy of forming 1 majority alliance or even Yul having a super idol as leverage to make final 3.
The problem with Chris and his endgame is the jury giving him all the information. He essentially gets Survivor cheat codes and it’s not like you can rely on Edge every season. Idk I think he just showed the least out of all the winners.
That's why I friggin hate EoE. They're getting info on who will get votes on FTC. You can tell that it had a negative impact in Sarah's game and confidence.
I've always thought that people rank winning games instead of winners as players because if they did the latter, they'd either have to rank Sandra low and enrage a bunch of people.
@@kenny9582 Sure, but people aren't really attached to her winning games in the way that they're attached to the belief that she's the GOAT (as of before WAW anyway; after WAW it's a little more complicated).
She got lucky twice. Sort but it’s the truth. If you can get lucky and fall into a win once, you can do it again. Look at her games individually, they both suck. She was considered one of the worst winners before HvV.
@@nickp3949 Anyone who thinks Sandra "got lucky twice" would be a terrible Survivor player. Sandra is incredibly good at two things: making sure she doesn't get voted out and winning jury votes. Coincidentally, those are literally the two most important skills in Survivor and the only things that really matter.
I love how a lot of people in the comments completely ignored what he said. This is not about their game but how they are as a player. There is a huge difference between a game ranking and a player ranking
i feel you are always bitter towards Parvati she does get the recognition she deserves, she played flawlessly on Micronesia, she is the reason why Cirie and Amanda got together with Alexis and Natalie, Without Parv the black widow would have never been done, every girl wanted to take her to the end, both Nat and Alexis wanted to be top3 with Parv, Cirie and Amanda wanted to get top 3 with her, and at final 4 everyone wanted to be top2 with Parv, she didnt need an idol or immunity to get to the end. and on HvV both Colby and JT said on interviews that if they wouldve been able to watch the entire series on how parv played, they wouldve switch their votes, so in that scenario she wouldve been the first 2-time winner, they only voted for Sandra cause she tried to take Russell down (which she failed)
I really wish we saw more of Denise in WaW. Denise played great in Philippines and I think that she does well in FTC if she makes it in WaW. I think there has to be stuff we didn't see for them to keep Sarah over her at that tie at 6. In conclusion, Denise is great
nah we saw all that was need to for the denise vote to make sense. Sarah was both Ben and Tony’s number 1 and was Natalie and Michele’s third. Denise was on the bottom of the Tony, Sarah, Ben, Denise contingent
I just watched Survivor Redemption Island when Rob M won. It was so embarrassing how produced this season was. First of all implementing him in a tribe of children who’s brains hasn’t fully developed yet. If he was on the other tribe he’d have left day 3!! Secondly 9 jurors?! His win was only possible under those circumstances. I wonder if they had elected someone like Phillip Shepherd who’s mental capacity is seriously concerning if it wasn’t to benefit someone’s fav guy. Totally sus.
I’m so happy people are coming around to Sarah. I personally love Sarah’s personality. Of all the players in your top 6 I think she would have the best chance at doing well in annother season. I think she has shown in all 3 seasons that she what it takes in any cast.
Boston Rob at #6 is way too high. His winning game is even overrated, considering he loses a jury vote to nearly everyone. Maybe top 10, but that is it. 3 of 5 times going out pre merge or pre jury. I wouldn't even put him top 10 amongst winners.
Rob also only made the merger two times out of his five times playing and his buddy system only works against bad players you saw what happened in wow when he tried the buddy system
Do the heroes view Sandra the same way the view Parv if Sandra works with Russell? The way she played it we obviously know she wins the game, but if she had worked with Russell along the way assuming same vote out order, does the jury respect her as much or do they view her how they viewed Parv?
You have a good point if this happens I believe Parvati wins easily Russell calling Rupert a dumbass to his face is one of the worst social moves ever made, if they don’t respect Sandra Parvati wins, obviously Russell does most of the heavy lifting but the whole jury hated Russell, also if she worked with Russell I feel like Russell brings Jerri to the end over Sandra, which Jerri would stomp parv and Russell
I think you’re overrating Chris. Lauren only plays her idol on him because Rick played his idol and she wanted Victoria to go home, just didn’t realise Chris and Rick were working together. Chris wanted to keep Lauren and vote out Julie, but Rick wanted Lauren. And the fire challenge… yeah go him I suppose
i thought this was player rankings? like sandra dominates her runs in Game Changers and Winners at War, and also makes the Coach move in HvV that saves her and sets her up to make it to the end.
My rankings 39. Bob 38. Natalie White 37. Fabio 36. Amber 35. Jenna 34. Chris Underwood 33. Brian 32. Ben 31. Adam 30. Aras 29. Vecepia 28. Erika 27. Mike 26. Danni 25. Richard 24. Tina 23. Cochran 22. Chris Daugherty 21. Denise 20. Ethan 19. Tom 18. Sophie 17. JT 16. Nick 15. Todd 14. Tyson 13. Tommy 12. Yul 11. Wendell 10. Natalie Anderson 9. Michele 8. Earl 7. Jeremy 6. Sarah 5. Kim 4. Parvati 3. Rob 2. Sandra 1. Tony
I'll defend Sandra. Her game is perfect for Old Survivor and while her game hasn't adapted much since 20, she's won twice during this era and its obvious why. Old Survivor is a lot less aggressive. You try pulling a Boston Rob in Pearl Islands or Hero v. Villains? You typically won't win as Russell's game and Rob's game showed in All Stars and 20. Sandra won twice here tho. Sure the idol existed but their games weren't solely reliant on these idols and the game was more like chess rather than checkers. Winners like Tony, if you take his general strategy from his first season and put it in 20 or in All Stars, likely wouldn't win. That was an era of bitter juries. Sandra won twice and benefitted from bitter juries but when the game is bitter juries, you gotta play with that in mind. Sandra's game doesn't work now tho I don't think but neither would many players from now which are more chaotic. You were chaotic in Old Survivor, you'd likely be kicked off early because it was more voting based on "team strength", "who do i want to live with for 30 days", and "who should get the money based on who's poorer". Its a different game now and thats not inherently a bad thing since id argue its generally more entertaining now (unless it's too many advantages or too many gimmicks). But that doesn't mean Sandra is bad, it means her game is more fit for a different game. In many past seasons of survivor a player like Adam would've been kicked out since he's not good at challenges. That type of philosophy just isn't common in New Survivor. Likewise tho many tribes suffer since they're thinking more about Day 30 than the next challenge.
@@tdt8854 And that speaks to him being able to take the goats with him to the end. Mind you, he didn’t win a single immunity challenge. What you’re saying as a negative is in fact a plus for Earl.
@@kenny9582 not wrong! His opinion isn’t wrong, just a choice. I have my choices as well. I just think Sophie has shown a wider range of tactical awareness than most other winners. Sophie has always seemed either one step ahead of the game or in the driver’s seat controlled strategic narratives, including during her blindside. Sophie had a great winning narrative going for her, Tony just had a better one. And the overall #1 besting Sophie I think just goes to show how close the two are in terms of strategic mind. Especially if you’re going to rank Kim #2. Kim and Sophie have pretty comparable weak casts from their respective seasons and I’d say Sophie had to overcome much greater adversity than Kim had to. And Sophie’s positioning in WaW, despite finishing lower was far greater than Kim’s.
@@stephenhewitt5721 I agree. I think blindsiding Sophie was Tony's best move of his WaW game, And I don't view placement and performance as the same metric. She got blindsided for being a threat and also for being close with the person Tony had as his #1 ally. If it weren't for Tony, I think Sophie or Sarah would have had the best chances at winning.
Chris Underwood did execute the strategy well, but the strategy itself was created by Wardog on EoE and it was understood that whoever returned would use it
For me my top 5 winners are 1. Tony 2. Jeremy 3. Kim 4. Earl 5. Yul With parvati & Sarah fighting for 6 I would put Amber higher then that, Natalie White would have to be the worst in my opinion Kim would of run over Tony if she wasn't a target from the start with the poker alliance that wouldn't even an alliance
I know I’m late to the party and I do agree with a lot of the list. I feel like it’s incredibly hard to judge players basing it off of their winners at war season. The season was packed full of talent(minus a few) but I feel like basing some of the players performance in a season of the best of the best is tough to do. Anyways loved the video and love the content!
I’m not really sold with Tom being so high. I think I would have him at least behind nick for sure. Yes he dominated his original game but his hvv game (sure he idoled out Cirie but shouldn’t you give that move to jt)
Not gunna lie Tom was definitely high but one thing about Tom he knows he has to cut the bigger threats early so that way it becomes easier for him to lead and persuade the other players instead of doing meatshields
Tony saw the cast of Game Changers and decided he would just use the season to check off his Survivor bucket list so I don't really count that against him
That is really dumb. I love Tony, but he objectively played a terrible game in Game Changers. There were only four winners on Heroes v. Villains, but Sandra didn't just decide to just mail it in because she didn't have a chance.
It’s very hard because it’s not an even playing field. Starving, freezing, dripping in the rain and in physical and mental exhaustion on a deserted island can lead people to do emotional things and can really create deep bonding experiences that may not be fully replicated in a house setting. So, the strategy aspect is markedly different.
@@joshualim85 well one could also argue that big brother is tougher strategically because you have to win comps to gain power, so someone in the minority could win hoh and shake the whole house up whereas in survivor, winning challenges only gives you safety
@Raheem Fielder-Bey yeah I know they’re not the exact same thing obviously but I still think they’re similar enough to where you could do a combined winner ranking. Both require social, strategic & physical skills to succeed and you could just rate all the winners from both shows on a scale of 1-100 and then rank them in order based on their score or something like that. I’d have to rewatch bb16 before I could compare Derrick’s game to Kim’s but tbh I don’t see anyone beating Kim
@@joshualim85 but they’re still similar enough. The basic essence of what you have to do to succeed in both games is fundamentally the same thing, build social bonds, win challenges, do well strategically etc. I (obviously) know they’re not the exact same game but I still think they are similar enough to where you could do a combined winner ranking
Boston rob is very overrated he play 5 times and only got part the merger boot in all star and ri and the buddy system didn’t work wow because those players are to good to allow that to works.
Yeah disrespect on Tina and Sandra literally 2 of the best to ever play. Mike above them like he didn’t need to tie the immunity record to win. Sus rankings
Ben two game was so different. 1st game - ignore social and just idol his way the fire making challenge. He never even thought about how his gona go through final four if he doesn't win immunity. 2nd game - yes he could have gotten to the final 3 but with 0 respect from the jury. He been just helping Tony get to the end and did nothing by himself. Will be view as a goat by jury or questioned by them on why he stubbornly help Tony get to the end. He would have lost on any other seasons before season HHH. He should definitely be lower.
@@lafingscarecrow I have alr stated facts on why I think he shld be lower. . He won't win in any other season with his season 35 gameplay before season 35. For WAW, there's a lot of videos /deep dive from players that they don't respect Ben playstyle on that season.
respectfully, natalie should be in the top 20 and im shocked you put her so low. please reevaluate your standards. only true survivor fans understand the complexity of her gameplay and why she had one of the best games of all time.
@@brendan3297 Since putting the first person ever to win twice only 22nd is stupid. If anything Boston Rob (the most overrated player ever) belongs about there.
I think I’m tired of the Natalie White slander. She was really apt in understanding that Russel was sharpening a sword he could fall on, and she was integral to the Foa Foa 4 being well positioned and finding the cracks post-merge. You sell her short because Russell overplayed himself into a losing game where he would have won, and fault Natalie for that as though she isn’t also an educated adult that could see the overplays as they came and assess them for what they were. She played so so well, and is one of the games few UTR winners. The edit doesn’t do her ANY justice to how infinitely charming her personality is. Where Russell is a snake oil salesman, Natalie was a traditional and nurturing southern Belle. Credit where it’s due Natalie survived the island and one of the islands hardest players of all - Russell.
Great video. I agree with everything else except I'd place Natalie A. higher than first time winners and interchange Parvati, Sarah and Kim's positions.
I don’t get your hate for Denise. She survived every single tribal Council she went to and even did really well in winners at war. I think she could make it to the end of most seasons. She has a really good social game and she’s a physical threat. You may not like her game but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t do well in any given season she was placed on.
I feel like if rob takes out Parvati/russell at the Tyson tribal he wins the game depending on a rock draw jt wouldn’t have given the idol to Russell bc he wouldn’t be in the game anymore 😭. So if rob finds the idol Parvati and Danielle find and picks the right person he could win the game
@@jayking901 Yeah he’s not a bad social player, I really don’t think you can win the game by being a bad social player except maybe Brian. His problem was not managing his threat level
@@UnderdawgMLB the problem with Ben in WaW was the fact that he only built bonds with people in his alliance and completely alienated everyone else. He was way more likable in HvHvH
The main disagreement I have here and your winner rankings is Earl. I recently listened to the Fiji TEOS chapter and I do feel you have him slightly overrated. He was always on top and while he was the leader, he never really had to make many strategic moves. I also think his goal was to take yau man to FTC which imo he loses (while you have to take it with a grain a salt he lost 6-3 at the finale poll). The biggest knock against earl to me is when dreamz is debating giving up his necklace or not and earl tells him he should keep his word. If earl was actually pushing Dreamz to keep the necklace so he could vote out yau he would be higher for me but that’s not the case.
Jury has also said Earl was always perceived as the leader and decision maker and yau had no chance. So the jury has contradicted itself. Yes Earl never had to make huge outlandish strategic moves, but doesn’t that make it more impressive. He was always in control without having to ever put his neck on the line, or do something super risky. He pretty much played the perfect game. A la JT and Kim.
I think Tom Westman is way overrated as a player for modern Survivor. I don't think even his S10 version of himself does as well with more strategic and more diverse casts. The same can be said for most of the middle aged and older white males that fill the stereotypical leader archetype. I would put players like Sophie, Todd, Natalie Anderson, and Nick easily above him.
It really doesn’t make a difference if he is white or not. He is a enormous challenge asset ( 5 individual immunity wins ) so he’s guaranteed premerge safety, and postmerge he might win out and use either idols or be in the majority for any losses. Think mikes run in WA (s.30)
I haven’t seen the video but as players I’d go: 1. Tony Vlachos 2. Sandra Diaz-Twine 3. Kim Spradlin 4. Parvati Shallow 5. Sarah Lacina 6. Rob Mariano 7. Tom Westman 8. Earl Cole 9. Jeremy Collins 10. Yul Kwon 11. Todd Herzog 12. Natalie Anderson 13. Brian Heidik 14. Tommy Sheehan 15. Wendell Holland 16. Sophie Clarke 17. Nick Wilson 18. Denise Stapley 19. Michele Fitzgerald 20. JT Thomas 21. Richard Hatch 22. Tina Wesson 23. Tyson Apostol 24. John Cochran 25. Chris Daugherty 26. Danni Boatwright 27. Vecepia Towery 28. Ethan Zohn 29. Aras Baskauskas 30. Mike Holloway 31. Adam Klein 32. Natalie White 33. Amber Brkich 34. Ben Driebergen 35. Jenna Morasca 36. Chris Underwood 37. Fabio Birza 38. Bob Crowley
I think danni wanted to prove herself in winners at war which is why she was making so many moves quickly. She should’ve kept her same strategy because otherwise she’s a very slick player. Although I don’t fault her too much because she was only making those moves to defend herself against the old schoolers and Jeremy since they blamed her for the Natalie boot and Jeremy wanted to keep shields. I still want to see her the third time
I don't get why Natalie White is ranked so low? I don't get why playing behind someone else is seen as such a bad strategy. she actively chose to have that meat shield in front of her, and recognized early on that Russell would never win at the end. I think Michele should be higher, and Tommy and Ben MUCH lower.
Natalie White LITERALLY says in a confessional that she doesn’t want to know what’s going on in the game and that she puts all her faith in Russell. That is TERRIBLE strategy.
....How is the first two-time winner so low? Sandra is the best Survivor player ever. She was great in Game Changers and got screwed by a tribe swap and yeah she made a mistake in Winners at War, but it was a high risk/high reward gambit.
Where you place hayden moss in this just out of hypothetical curiosity, winning BB and playing well in BvW for someone who had no pregame alliances bar kat, I think he made 1st on your BB rankings, so I'm interested
@Natalie gunna have to disagree a guy like Hayden given the opportunity could definitely win survivor. He knows when to pull a move and seems very persuasive
@@bigbuffguy9589 , i don't know. i am fine with them being in the same tier, since they won their 2nd season. i personally think the boring, intentionally passive players are better than the sexy, aggressive strategists. i am more impressed with the early players since they had less "survivor data" to go on. the new players only know what they do because they watched the show. that could make for an argument in their favor, but i also don't think they are as good at target-mitigation because they are so strategically aggressive. if we have every player ever compete in enough seasons to have faced every other player once, i think the passive players win more than the aggressive ones, though they're more boring to watch. i think parvati is better at reading people than sarah, though sarah is a better athlete. idk. i am fine either way.
“Jeremy got Tony to flip on Sophie” bruh other way around Jeremy didn’t do anything impressive on waw Tony used Jeremy’s own strategy against him and brought Jeremy as far as he got he was clueless after the merge. People give him way too much credit for that season when he was dragged out as far as he got. I think second chance is a dominant win tho
Happy to see Natalie lower . I lost so much respect for her after all the post game info . Not a very nice person 😕 ,I really used to love her as a player
Parvati was in complete control of Micronesia. The fact that she made the final 4 all females is something that is unheard of. Cirie wasn't able to do that in any of her other seasons. While Parvati almost pulled it off again in Hero's vs Villains.
Winning challenges is not luck I Hate when you say that it's skill dependent stop demeaning the physical aspects of the game to fit your narrative drives me nuts
I disagree with your assessment of Tommy manipulating noura. It wouldn’t work in a Dan dean Tommy situation, she was looking for somebody who could beat Lauren and I’m pretty sure she’d see him as the biggest threat
Now we just need a 24 hour long video where you rank every player ever
This would be awesome
I agree this man would be the greatest of all time
Watch him actually do it
I would not be opposed to a 2 Hour 4 Part series.
It would take 22.1390243902 hours if he ranked every player with the speed he did in this video… i need help. Maybe slightly more tho. EDIT: It was 23.8868421053 hours, so close to 24…
I love that Tommy auditioned for Big Brother, was cast, turned it down because he was just testing the casting process, then auditioned for Survivor then wiped the floor with everyone without using a single advantage or immunity win himself despite production doing things that were detrimental to his game.
Feels right to have Sarah so high!
If you told me I had to choose ONE player to play for my life in 1,000 rounds of Survivor, I’d choose Sarah without a doubt.
Her ability to strike without seeming aggressive or in control; her ability to make social bonds without getting bogged down by “loyalty”; her ability to intuitively read what’s going on - incredible player.
For me its kim
The ammount of treat level she was supposed to have in WaW was so well hided
If F8 vote have got in Kim's way, i think she wins
Kim and Sarah are very similar players, Sarah is also very very good
But in 1000 simulatuons i think kim wins more because of comps
Kim jury managment is also flawless
Cops R Us are my three favorite winners of all time (counting Tony twice) followed by Natalie Anderson, Parvati and Todd.
My top male survivors:
1. Richard
2. Ethan
3. Rob
4. Colby
My top female survivors:
1. Sandra
2. Parvati
3. Kim
4. Danielle
1. Fabio
2. Everyone Else
2. Bob
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@@ShmeckleBoy 3. Chris U 💯💯💯💯
4 mike
5 Bob
I think if Earl comes back and plays another great game, he'd have a strong case for #1
Agreed. If Earl was on Winners at War and won it he'd easily be #1.
I’m watching Fiji right now and I am empressed.
@@bencalebrod yeah but that would mean tony didn't win which is why tony is 1
Yeah I think whoever won WaW sort of has to be #1
@@bmillz6243 well no. If natalie Anderson wins with the game she played she isn’t number one Bc that’s a terrible game. If someone were to play a good winning game in WAW they always had a good argument to be #1
Kim was the only one who was on to Tony on WaW. Everyone else trusted him and was duped by him
Kim and Michele are both on to him which was why Kim was voted out by Tony and Tony do not want to work with Michele in the game.
WAW become 1 vs 4 (Tony, the immovable rock (Ben (wish some1 else took his place so we get more interesting gameplay)), The super blind (Sarah), The dead tired (Dennis), I can still forgive Dennis cuz she got super tired.
And that's why tony won and Kim doesn't
Sarah was on to Tony, I’m pretty sure she was willing to cut him at any point post-merge but he just kept winning immunity and he was beneficial to her game up until the Sophie vote.
@@handsoaphandsoap she wasn't onto Tony... After Tony voted out Kim he was in full control. No she wasn't willing to cut Tony, there's many times she cld have voted out Tony when Michele or Natalie have immunity but she didn't. Michelle has literally told her in her face that Tony is running the show/game but she refused to believed it...
Even after the game and during her interview/podcast, she still thinks she has a good chance of winning if she and Tony both reach the end in F3 and the vote will split between the 2 of them.
@@handsoaphandsoap she was onto him because she was working with him lol. She would have taken him to the end
Tony was terrible in S34, but even then he:
-diminished his threat level ahead of a third appearance;
-learned how to compensate for some of his natural failings; and
-cleared the way for Sarah to win unencumbered with Tony's baggage, thus allowing her to qualify for an all winner season and give him an ally he could rely on absolutely.
I'm not suggesting he was playing a long game in sacrificing S34 because he had his eye on a bigger prize, but it sure worked out that way.
Tony tanked S34 on purpose he knew he didn’t have a shot. Made him less of a threat for S40
So your saying Sarah’s win was Tony’s plan and idea. 😂. It worked out for him but I don’t think it was his plan
@@Dylanssss If you’d read the OP carefully you would know I said no such thing.
@@aperson22222 “cleared the way for sarah to win” “allowing her to qualify for an all winner season and give him an ally he could rely on.” Sounds like it was his idea for her to win
@@Dylanssss No, you have to read the entire comment, including “I’m not suggesting he was playing a long game . . . “
Come on, this comment has been up there for anyone to see for seven months now, that’s more than enough time to read all of it.
i totally agree with the assessment of aras. he was the leader of the tribe early on bc everyone quickly realized that late into the game, aras would have to be the kingslayer that took down terry. and if it wasn’t for terry’s idol i think there’s almost no chance aras makes it to final 3 even, i think it’s very possible that they would take him out first. it’s weirdly similar to what we’re seeing right now in big brother 23, where the cookout wants to keep derek x in the game so he can be the one to beat christian in competitions, but once the king is slayed then who slays the kingslayer? it’s a really tough spot, and weirdly enough aras was quite literally protected by terry’s idol more than terry himself was.
Crazy but true
If game changers had ACTUAL game changers on it, Tony would’ve gone much further in my opinion. However I’m glad he didn’t because it let us see the glory that is his WaW game
Right. I mean as much as Ik Tony is a threat I feel like actual good players don't get rid of him immediately. And if he was Playing against good players his Strategy would've worked man.
@@robtheservantof6257 he should’ve adapted to the game. He did to himself without his paranoia because he wasn’t the target until he was against Sandra
@@junsong9581he new he didn’t have a chance once he got to see all the cast he identified he was 1 out 3 winners in the game changer out 17 other contestants he wasn’t trying he said it on a podcast
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Good job pointing that out. A unknown fact was that jim rice actually REALLY fucking liked cochran as a person. He has said numerous times afterward that they would hang out for literally hours on end every day because he was just such a likeable guy. That was another reason why he reacted so harshly, even compared to others on the flip. Even beyond the fact that it killed any chance he had of winning, he felt sincerely hurt and betrayed that the only actual friend he had on the island did that. He even said if cochran told him instead of dawn, he would have worked everything in this power to convince the other tribe to do at instead, to ease that feeling, or let ozzy just let cochran keep the idol. Even with the "I never want to speak to you again" he later on admitted it was impossible to keep a angry mind at him and had since long beyond made up with him, starting roughly a year after airing
These rankings are all over the place. Some make sense, while many are just mind boggling. But I understand it all comes down to opinion.
Tom over Yul/Wendell is the only thing that feels weird just because Tom’s game doesn’t feel as transferable to this era of play. Love how you study the game tho another great vid and strong rankings.
tom's game is amazing
I think tom played a great game but I agree that I don't think it would transition well to the modern game
I like Tom a lot to but your right it wouldn’t transfer well
Yeah but he’s aware of the modern strategy. He literally purposely pulled off a 4-3-2 on cirie with him pulling out the idol.
It’s not fair to take his game out of context and hold that against him. It wouldn’t work now, but neither would Richard Hatch’s strategy of forming 1 majority alliance or even Yul having a super idol as leverage to make final 3.
The problem with Chris and his endgame is the jury giving him all the information. He essentially gets Survivor cheat codes and it’s not like you can rely on Edge every season. Idk I think he just showed the least out of all the winners.
That's why I friggin hate EoE. They're getting info on who will get votes on FTC. You can tell that it had a negative impact in Sarah's game and confidence.
I've always thought that people rank winning games instead of winners as players because if they did the latter, they'd either have to rank Sandra low and enrage a bunch of people.
? But if you rank winning games she would also be low..both times lol
@@kenny9582 Sure, but people aren't really attached to her winning games in the way that they're attached to the belief that she's the GOAT (as of before WAW anyway; after WAW it's a little more complicated).
Sandra was super mediocre. Not an all time strategic best.
She got lucky twice. Sort but it’s the truth. If you can get lucky and fall into a win once, you can do it again. Look at her games individually, they both suck. She was considered one of the worst winners before HvV.
@@nickp3949 Anyone who thinks Sandra "got lucky twice" would be a terrible Survivor player. Sandra is incredibly good at two things: making sure she doesn't get voted out and winning jury votes. Coincidentally, those are literally the two most important skills in Survivor and the only things that really matter.
I love how a lot of people in the comments completely ignored what he said. This is not about their game but how they are as a player. There is a huge difference between a game ranking and a player ranking
This man has truly wild opinions but I respect them. Keep it up
i feel you are always bitter towards Parvati
she does get the recognition she deserves, she played flawlessly on Micronesia, she is the reason why Cirie and Amanda got together with Alexis and Natalie, Without Parv the black widow would have never been done, every girl wanted to take her to the end, both Nat and Alexis wanted to be top3 with Parv, Cirie and Amanda wanted to get top 3 with her, and at final 4 everyone wanted to be top2 with Parv, she didnt need an idol or immunity to get to the end.
and on HvV both Colby and JT said on interviews that if they wouldve been able to watch the entire series on how parv played, they wouldve switch their votes, so in that scenario she wouldve been the first 2-time winner, they only voted for Sandra cause she tried to take Russell down (which she failed)
I really wish we saw more of Denise in WaW. Denise played great in Philippines and I think that she does well in FTC if she makes it in WaW. I think there has to be stuff we didn't see for them to keep Sarah over her at that tie at 6. In conclusion, Denise is great
nah we saw all that was need to for the denise vote to make sense. Sarah was both Ben and Tony’s number 1 and was Natalie and Michele’s third. Denise was on the bottom of the Tony, Sarah, Ben, Denise contingent
Jenna would have been my choice to come back for winners at war over amber tbh. I would have loved to see her play again.
I’d even prefer Natalie White over Amber tbh
Tina Wesson would have been a good choice too
Rob wasn’t gunna come without her
I think the number of times you mentioned tony in other WaW players sections really speaks for itself
I just watched Survivor Redemption Island when Rob M won. It was so embarrassing how produced this season was. First of all implementing him in a tribe of children who’s brains hasn’t fully developed yet. If he was on the other tribe he’d have left day 3!!
Secondly 9 jurors?! His win was only possible under those circumstances. I wonder if they had elected someone like Phillip Shepherd who’s mental capacity is seriously concerning if it wasn’t to benefit someone’s fav guy. Totally sus.
I’m so happy people are coming around to Sarah. I personally love Sarah’s personality. Of all the players in your top 6 I think she would have the best chance at doing well in annother season. I think she has shown in all 3 seasons that she what it takes in any cast.
I also personally don't think she makes boring TV, she and Tony are my favorite duo, and I think she still delivered by herself on Game Changers.
Boston Rob at #6 is way too high. His winning game is even overrated, considering he loses a jury vote to nearly everyone. Maybe top 10, but that is it. 3 of 5 times going out pre merge or pre jury. I wouldn't even put him top 10 amongst winners.
Rob also only made the merger two times out of his five times playing and his buddy system only works against bad players you saw what happened in wow when he tried the buddy system
@@gregoryfuller9736 Exactly. He is way overrated, including by the video maker here.
I like rob as think he fun player but he not that good
@@gregoryfuller9736 Agreed. As a player he is good but not amazing like he is potrayed, and flawed. As a character he is iconic.
Gotta agree he’s a one trick pony. He’s just not versatile enough
Do the heroes view Sandra the same way the view Parv if Sandra works with Russell? The way she played it we obviously know she wins the game, but if she had worked with Russell along the way assuming same vote out order, does the jury respect her as much or do they view her how they viewed Parv?
You have a good point if this happens I believe Parvati wins easily Russell calling Rupert a dumbass to his face is one of the worst social moves ever made, if they don’t respect Sandra Parvati wins, obviously Russell does most of the heavy lifting but the whole jury hated Russell, also if she worked with Russell I feel like Russell brings Jerri to the end over Sandra, which Jerri would stomp parv and Russell
Will you be doing an Australian Survivor mid season power ranking?
Hayley would be at the top of that
Idk I think she might get blindsided like tessa
Finally some recognition for Sophie
I think you’re overrating Chris. Lauren only plays her idol on him because Rick played his idol and she wanted Victoria to go home, just didn’t realise Chris and Rick were working together. Chris wanted to keep Lauren and vote out Julie, but Rick wanted Lauren. And the fire challenge… yeah go him I suppose
“I think Aras should be higher on the list”…bro…you made the list
Sarah and tony have 100% winrate on their seasons. Cops R Us best duo in survivor history
@Natalie yes, that is the point of my comment. What kind of stupid reply is this
i thought this was player rankings? like sandra dominates her runs in Game Changers and Winners at War, and also makes the Coach move in HvV that saves her and sets her up to make it to the end.
You were higher on Sophie before winners at war?
My rankings
39. Bob
38. Natalie White
37. Fabio
36. Amber
35. Jenna
34. Chris Underwood
33. Brian
32. Ben
31. Adam
30. Aras
29. Vecepia
28. Erika
27. Mike
26. Danni
25. Richard
24. Tina
23. Cochran
22. Chris Daugherty
21. Denise
20. Ethan
19. Tom
18. Sophie
17. JT
16. Nick
15. Todd
14. Tyson
13. Tommy
12. Yul
11. Wendell
10. Natalie Anderson
9. Michele
8. Earl
7. Jeremy
6. Sarah
5. Kim
4. Parvati
3. Rob
2. Sandra
1. Tony
I feel like the only chance cochran had at doing well again would have been on Waw but obviously that didn't happen
Can you do a player ranking of medical evacuations?
^^^^^^
I'll defend Sandra.
Her game is perfect for Old Survivor and while her game hasn't adapted much since 20, she's won twice during this era and its obvious why.
Old Survivor is a lot less aggressive. You try pulling a Boston Rob in Pearl Islands or Hero v. Villains? You typically won't win as Russell's game and Rob's game showed in All Stars and 20. Sandra won twice here tho. Sure the idol existed but their games weren't solely reliant on these idols and the game was more like chess rather than checkers. Winners like Tony, if you take his general strategy from his first season and put it in 20 or in All Stars, likely wouldn't win. That was an era of bitter juries. Sandra won twice and benefitted from bitter juries but when the game is bitter juries, you gotta play with that in mind. Sandra's game doesn't work now tho I don't think but neither would many players from now which are more chaotic. You were chaotic in Old Survivor, you'd likely be kicked off early because it was more voting based on "team strength", "who do i want to live with for 30 days", and "who should get the money based on who's poorer".
Its a different game now and thats not inherently a bad thing since id argue its generally more entertaining now (unless it's too many advantages or too many gimmicks). But that doesn't mean Sandra is bad, it means her game is more fit for a different game. In many past seasons of survivor a player like Adam would've been kicked out since he's not good at challenges. That type of philosophy just isn't common in New Survivor. Likewise tho many tribes suffer since they're thinking more about Day 30 than the next challenge.
Earl is the first unanimous winner of all time. That’s NEVER talked about.
We must see Earl play again😩
I mean he was up against Cassandra and Dreams. Still unanimous wins are very impressive
He isn’t first. Watch season 18 and keep a close eye on JT
@@danedeblasio8208 didn’t say a perfect game, they said a unanimous winner
@@danedeblasio8208 I know a bit late, but Earl won season 14
@@tdt8854 And that speaks to him being able to take the goats with him to the end. Mind you, he didn’t win a single immunity challenge. What you’re saying as a negative is in fact a plus for Earl.
Sophie outside the top 10 “player” rankings is a choice.
A choice that you apparently have no argument against? Why not tell us why he's wrong?
@@kenny9582 not wrong! His opinion isn’t wrong, just a choice. I have my choices as well. I just think Sophie has shown a wider range of tactical awareness than most other winners. Sophie has always seemed either one step ahead of the game or in the driver’s seat controlled strategic narratives, including during her blindside. Sophie had a great winning narrative going for her, Tony just had a better one. And the overall #1 besting Sophie I think just goes to show how close the two are in terms of strategic mind. Especially if you’re going to rank Kim #2. Kim and Sophie have pretty comparable weak casts from their respective seasons and I’d say Sophie had to overcome much greater adversity than Kim had to. And Sophie’s positioning in WaW, despite finishing lower was far greater than Kim’s.
sophie is a pretty weak winner lol she rode the majority alliance in the merge
Sophie is a horrible winner, I think!
@@stephenhewitt5721 I agree. I think blindsiding Sophie was Tony's best move of his WaW game, And I don't view placement and performance as the same metric. She got blindsided for being a threat and also for being close with the person Tony had as his #1 ally. If it weren't for Tony, I think Sophie or Sarah would have had the best chances at winning.
Chris Underwood did execute the strategy well, but the strategy itself was created by Wardog on EoE and it was understood that whoever returned would use it
For me my top 5 winners are
1. Tony
2. Jeremy
3. Kim
4. Earl
5. Yul
With parvati & Sarah fighting for 6
I would put Amber higher then that, Natalie White would have to be the worst in my opinion
Kim would of run over Tony if she wasn't a target from the start with the poker alliance that wouldn't even an alliance
I know I’m late to the party and I do agree with a lot of the list. I feel like it’s incredibly hard to judge players basing it off of their winners at war season. The season was packed full of talent(minus a few) but I feel like basing some of the players performance in a season of the best of the best is tough to do. Anyways loved the video and love the content!
Fabio would be even better in modern survivor. He would fly under the radar even as a return player. He would also be more savvy and wise.
I’m not really sold with Tom being so high. I think I would have him at least behind nick for sure. Yes he dominated his original game but his hvv game (sure he idoled out Cirie but shouldn’t you give that move to jt)
Tom was one of the best heroes on HvV and had a massive target on his back. He identified the top competition and took them out.
@@boomz2526 He should have gotten rid of someone besides Cirie. The heroes severely lacked strategy
Not gunna lie Tom was definitely high but one thing about Tom he knows he has to cut the bigger threats early so that way it becomes easier for him to lead and persuade the other players instead of doing meatshields
Ethan is bit too high in my opinion. Aras a little low. Great Video
Tony saw the cast of Game Changers and decided he would just use the season to check off his Survivor bucket list so I don't really count that against him
That’s ridiculous that you’re saying he just completely throws away playing the genre. If that’s true, that’s pitiful. But it isn’t
That is really dumb. I love Tony, but he objectively played a terrible game in Game Changers. There were only four winners on Heroes v. Villains, but Sandra didn't just decide to just mail it in because she didn't have a chance.
Do you think you’ll end up doing any sasuke videos in the near future?
I really freaking want a combined Survivor & BB winner rankings
It’s very hard because it’s not an even playing field. Starving, freezing, dripping in the rain and in physical and mental exhaustion on a deserted island can lead people to do emotional things and can really create deep bonding experiences that may not be fully replicated in a house setting. So, the strategy aspect is markedly different.
@@joshualim85 well one could also argue that big brother is tougher strategically because you have to win comps to gain power, so someone in the minority could win hoh and shake the whole house up whereas in survivor, winning challenges only gives you safety
@Raheem Fielder-Bey yeah I know they’re not the exact same thing obviously but I still think they’re similar enough to where you could do a combined winner ranking. Both require social, strategic & physical skills to succeed and you could just rate all the winners from both shows on a scale of 1-100 and then rank them in order based on their score or something like that. I’d have to rewatch bb16 before I could compare Derrick’s game to Kim’s but tbh I don’t see anyone beating Kim
@@joshualim85 but they’re still similar enough. The basic essence of what you have to do to succeed in both games is fundamentally the same thing, build social bonds, win challenges, do well strategically etc. I (obviously) know they’re not the exact same game but I still think they are similar enough to where you could do a combined winner ranking
I'd love to see this for runners up, mostly to see where Spencer lands.
He has one btw already, it's easy to find under most popular videos
He has one already
Would really like a Big Brother Player Ranking of the winners as well, especially now after BB23.
My top male survivors:
1. Richard
2. Ethan
3. Rob
4. Colby
My top female survivors:
1. Sandra
2. Parvati
3. Kim
4. Danielle
Boston rob is very overrated he play 5 times and only got part the merger boot in all star and ri and the buddy system didn’t work wow because those players are to good to allow that to works.
Yes 6th is way too high a ranking for him.
Yeah disrespect on Tina and Sandra literally 2 of the best to ever play. Mike above them like he didn’t need to tie the immunity record to win. Sus rankings
Sandra is no where close to one or the best to ever play. Her winning game in HvV was awful
An Angel cried when you put Natalie White that low.
Ben two game was so different.
1st game - ignore social and just idol his way the fire making challenge. He never even thought about how his gona go through final four if he doesn't win immunity.
2nd game - yes he could have gotten to the final 3 but with 0 respect from the jury. He been just helping Tony get to the end and did nothing by himself. Will be view as a goat by jury or questioned by them on why he stubbornly help Tony get to the end.
He would have lost on any other seasons before season HHH.
He should definitely be lower.
well he's not, so get used to it
@@lafingscarecrow I have alr stated facts on why I think he shld be lower. .
He won't win in any other season with his season 35 gameplay before season 35.
For WAW, there's a lot of videos
/deep dive from players that they don't respect Ben playstyle on that season.
respectfully, natalie should be in the top 20 and im shocked you put her so low. please reevaluate your standards. only true survivor fans understand the complexity of her gameplay and why she had one of the best games of all time.
So true
According to him, Natalie had the sharpest placement drop after WaW.
Sandra at #22 is crazy. She should be way higher.
Why?
@@brendan3297 Since putting the first person ever to win twice only 22nd is stupid. If anything Boston Rob (the most overrated player ever) belongs about there.
I think I’m tired of the Natalie White slander. She was really apt in understanding that Russel was sharpening a sword he could fall on, and she was integral to the Foa Foa 4 being well positioned and finding the cracks post-merge. You sell her short because Russell overplayed himself into a losing game where he would have won, and fault Natalie for that as though she isn’t also an educated adult that could see the overplays as they came and assess them for what they were. She played so so well, and is one of the games few UTR winners. The edit doesn’t do her ANY justice to how infinitely charming her personality is. Where Russell is a snake oil salesman, Natalie was a traditional and nurturing southern Belle. Credit where it’s due Natalie survived the island and one of the islands hardest players of all - Russell.
Sandra not being in the top 20 (!) is just absurd. I'd rank her second behind only Tony.
She was carried both times though
I’m not done yet but you are severely underrating Chris and Fabio
Disagree with Cochran. But I’m biased because I love him 😂
Great video. I agree with everything else except I'd place Natalie A. higher than first time winners and interchange Parvati, Sarah and Kim's positions.
I don’t get your hate for Denise. She survived every single tribal Council she went to and even did really well in winners at war. I think she could make it to the end of most seasons. She has a really good social game and she’s a physical threat. You may not like her game but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t do well in any given season she was placed on.
People hate her cause she caused the golden boy “Malcom” to lose
I feel like if rob takes out Parvati/russell at the Tyson tribal he wins the game depending on a rock draw jt wouldn’t have given the idol to Russell bc he wouldn’t be in the game anymore 😭. So if rob finds the idol Parvati and Danielle find and picks the right person he could win the game
Ben above Michele? Never. Ben is a terrible social player and has no idea how to play from the top
At least Ben can get to the top 🙄
and michele does know how to play from the top?
Ben was a good social player in HvHvH. That's why he was such a big target. His social game in WaW was pretty bad tho so I'll give you that.
@@jayking901 Yeah he’s not a bad social player, I really don’t think you can win the game by being a bad social player except maybe Brian. His problem was not managing his threat level
@@UnderdawgMLB the problem with Ben in WaW was the fact that he only built bonds with people in his alliance and completely alienated everyone else. He was way more likable in HvHvH
You always downplay Michele... I just don't get it.
The main disagreement I have here and your winner rankings is Earl. I recently listened to the Fiji TEOS chapter and I do feel you have him slightly overrated. He was always on top and while he was the leader, he never really had to make many strategic moves. I also think his goal was to take yau man to FTC which imo he loses (while you have to take it with a grain a salt he lost 6-3 at the finale poll). The biggest knock against earl to me is when dreamz is debating giving up his necklace or not and earl tells him he should keep his word. If earl was actually pushing Dreamz to keep the necklace so he could vote out yau he would be higher for me but that’s not the case.
Jury has also said Earl was always perceived as the leader and decision maker and yau had no chance. So the jury has contradicted itself. Yes Earl never had to make huge outlandish strategic moves, but doesn’t that make it more impressive. He was always in control without having to ever put his neck on the line, or do something super risky. He pretty much played the perfect game. A la JT and Kim.
@Certified Cunt if you’re on top and don’t have to make moves, that’s a compliment to your game, not a detriment.
You should rank every merge boot
Done
How would you feel about doing a casting for South African all stars
So, can we have now the ranking of winners for outplaying and outlasting? Coz it seems like your ranks is solely based on strategy.
So happy that mike and Ben are so high
We need AU survivor mid season power rankings!!
Thank you I remember requesting this
Where does Erika fit in your rankings?
I think Tom Westman is way overrated as a player for modern Survivor. I don't think even his S10 version of himself does as well with more strategic and more diverse casts. The same can be said for most of the middle aged and older white males that fill the stereotypical leader archetype. I would put players like Sophie, Todd, Natalie Anderson, and Nick easily above him.
It really doesn’t make a difference if he is white or not. He is a enormous challenge asset ( 5 individual immunity wins ) so he’s guaranteed premerge safety, and postmerge he might win out and use either idols or be in the majority for any losses. Think mikes run in WA (s.30)
I haven’t seen the video but as players I’d go:
1. Tony Vlachos
2. Sandra Diaz-Twine
3. Kim Spradlin
4. Parvati Shallow
5. Sarah Lacina
6. Rob Mariano
7. Tom Westman
8. Earl Cole
9. Jeremy Collins
10. Yul Kwon
11. Todd Herzog
12. Natalie Anderson
13. Brian Heidik
14. Tommy Sheehan
15. Wendell Holland
16. Sophie Clarke
17. Nick Wilson
18. Denise Stapley
19. Michele Fitzgerald
20. JT Thomas
21. Richard Hatch
22. Tina Wesson
23. Tyson Apostol
24. John Cochran
25. Chris Daugherty
26. Danni Boatwright
27. Vecepia Towery
28. Ethan Zohn
29. Aras Baskauskas
30. Mike Holloway
31. Adam Klein
32. Natalie White
33. Amber Brkich
34. Ben Driebergen
35. Jenna Morasca
36. Chris Underwood
37. Fabio Birza
38. Bob Crowley
I think danni wanted to prove herself in winners at war which is why she was making so many moves quickly. She should’ve kept her same strategy because otherwise she’s a very slick player. Although I don’t fault her too much because she was only making those moves to defend herself against the old schoolers and Jeremy since they blamed her for the Natalie boot and Jeremy wanted to keep shields. I still want to see her the third time
Can you do these for big brother too please! I’d love to see what you think
You should do a ranking for runner ups or final jurors based on them as players and not their individual game in a season
I might've missed Tommy, but i couldn't find him in the video.
Vecepia is the reason for the rock draw, and the reason kathy goes home both moves orchestrated by her
I don't get why Natalie White is ranked so low? I don't get why playing behind someone else is seen as such a bad strategy. she actively chose to have that meat shield in front of her, and recognized early on that Russell would never win at the end. I think Michele should be higher, and Tommy and Ben MUCH lower.
Natalie White LITERALLY says in a confessional that she doesn’t want to know what’s going on in the game and that she puts all her faith in Russell. That is TERRIBLE strategy.
So if Brian heidik was able to play another game like he did in Thailand he’d be top 3 right?
Honestly surprised he was that low the guy showed he could manipulate multiple people with different personalitys
He’s never coming back. I have him even lower than 29
....How is the first two-time winner so low?
Sandra is the best Survivor player ever. She was great in Game Changers and got screwed by a tribe swap and yeah she made a mistake in Winners at War, but it was a high risk/high reward gambit.
ME TOP 10
1- Tony
2- Parv
3- Kim
4- sarah
5- Sandra
6- Jeremy
7- Yul
8- Todd
9- sophie
10- tommy
You should do biggest goats in survivor lol
Where you place hayden moss in this just out of hypothetical curiosity, winning BB and playing well in BvW for someone who had no pregame alliances bar kat, I think he made 1st on your BB rankings, so I'm interested
@Natalie gunna have to disagree a guy like Hayden given the opportunity could definitely win survivor. He knows when to pull a move and seems very persuasive
please do runner up player rankings , please
i really wanted to hear what do you think about ozzy
I’m 3 minutes into the video, why have I not seen Fabio?😂
of the players i've actually watched, the best players not named tony or sandra are todd herzog, michelle fitzgerald, and parvati....
Not a bad list. Sarah is a better player than Paravati, though.
@@bigbuffguy9589 , i don't know. i am fine with them being in the same tier, since they won their 2nd season. i personally think the boring, intentionally passive players are better than the sexy, aggressive strategists.
i am more impressed with the early players since they had less "survivor data" to go on. the new players only know what they do because they watched the show. that could make for an argument in their favor, but i also don't think they are as good at target-mitigation because they are so strategically aggressive.
if we have every player ever compete in enough seasons to have faced every other player once, i think the passive players win more than the aggressive ones, though they're more boring to watch.
i think parvati is better at reading people than sarah, though sarah is a better athlete. idk. i am fine either way.
“Jeremy got Tony to flip on Sophie” bruh other way around Jeremy didn’t do anything impressive on waw Tony used Jeremy’s own strategy against him and brought Jeremy as far as he got he was clueless after the merge. People give him way too much credit for that season when he was dragged out as far as he got. I think second chance is a dominant win tho
Happy to see Natalie lower . I lost so much respect for her after all the post game info . Not a very nice person 😕 ,I really used to love her as a player
Parvati was in complete control of Micronesia. The fact that she made the final 4 all females is something that is unheard of. Cirie wasn't able to do that in any of her other seasons. While Parvati almost pulled it off again in Hero's vs Villains.
Good video do runners up and final jouirs
Can we get a first boot ranking????
The thing is are we even sure Dan would be loyal to Tommy or would dan lose at all?
Just sayin Michelle was one of only a very few who made it to tribal council twice and to never be voted out when playing more than 1 season 🤷♂️
I agree Amber Brkich was awful, she shouldn't even been asked back for a 2nd season to win by default let alone a 3rd.
As far as jury votes go it shouldn't matter how much you win by it's the fact that you win be it 4-3 or 7-0
Winning challenges is not luck I Hate when you say that it's skill dependent stop demeaning the physical aspects of the game to fit your narrative drives me nuts
Tony knew he didn’t have a chance in game changer he didn’t try he said it on RHAP
Sounds like bullshit to save face for his shitty game that season lol
@@devondonato4609 bro who u know would run straight into the jungle and say Im looking for a idol 😂
I disagree with your assessment of Tommy manipulating noura. It wouldn’t work in a Dan dean Tommy situation, she was looking for somebody who could beat Lauren and I’m pretty sure she’d see him as the biggest threat