What's the difference? The TVR / TWR Story
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- A few weeks ago I was driving along the motorway in Britain and saw a van with TVR on the side of it might have been TWR, and it went by so quickly that I missed it, but it got me thinking about both TVR and TWR, and you’ve asked for videos about both of these car companies in the past so I thought it might be fun to a mashup where I go through the histories of both TVR and TWR together, sort of chronologically. So, let's find out together where TVR got its name, what the heck happened with the Russian investment in the 2000s and what happened to TWR.
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I was surprised that you didn't mention Peter Wheeler, who owned TVR during the 1990s and was responsible for the Griffith and Chimaera, probably the high point in TVR's history.
the video did seem unusually superficial compared to other videos from this channel. Still enjoyed it very much.
Don't forget the crazy Speed12 project!
Why don’t you make a video and include it
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Met Peter Wheeler at motor show, chatted for nearly an hour. Charming bloke, really interesting. Both of us smoking away, I was looking for an ashtray… Mr Wheeler just told me to stamp it out on the fancy purple carpet. I asked if he was sure, he told me of course, it was his carpet!
Blood pressure is the silent killer. I had the same experience - 207/127 - felt no symptoms. With medication everyday at the same time it’s now 132/82. MEN CHECK YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE!
Dude go and exercise
I was waiting for you to plug a particular brand of blood pressure monitor and thought it cringe worthy that you'd advertise something like that after your own experience. I was wrong, and well done for bringing this important aspect of health awareness to people's attention! Unexpected yes, but vital to some. 👍
TVR = TreVoR = hilarious
TrevCar 😆
TWR=TreWoR but in Russian
Never liked any of them, not only do they look trouble, they are. About as reliable as Halleys comet!
Halleys comet is very reliable. Turns up regularly....unlike a TVR!
@@gearjammer3688 The opposite of a TVR: pretty slow and very reliable.
Sorry about your health scare! I hope it stabilizes and never comes back again. Your channel is absolutely top notch and as classy as it gets. Always happy to see a video pop up in my notification from you. Take care.
the part about the TVR Speed 12 was my favorite
yes, I can't believe he got to interview Peter Wheeler about it!
TWR's Australian operation was brought by Holden, but the same entity was later brought back by the family, now known as the Walkinshaw Group. It has a large factory at Clayton, Victoria employing 700 people converting cars(mostly pickups) and running motor racing teams in Australia and Europe. Tom Walkinshaw's sons run the company today.
I believe it’s called ASV ( Australian Specialty Vehicles) these days? The to RHD conversions diverting Camaro’s , Silverado’s , RAM trucks & lastly, the current model Corvette(?) .
That's a worthy announcement at the end, Andy. Sorry to hear about your blood pressure. Hope you get it back under control. It can be hereditary to have it either high or low. Look after yourself, because we want to keep watching your videos 👍.
Find out more about blood pressure:
www.nhs.uk/conditions/high-blood-pressure-hypertension/
www.heart.org/en/health-topics/high-blood-pressure
That TWR xj220 engined transit van is the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing 😁
The XJ200 has a metro engine.
@@KarlHamiltonyes, everyone knows that.
@@traviswalker8933 reather xjr 15 love it
Correction: the XJ220 has the Metro 6R4's engine; one of the best there was at the time 😁
You mean the one on top gear?
The Cerbra, what a stunner. I remember my brother had a Jeremy Clarkson Video in the 90's where Clarkson was trying to find the best car in the world ever, & for him at the time it was a toss up between the Cerbra & the latest Ferrari. He even visits the TVR Factory in Blackpool.
Cerbra?
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@@rafflesnh Cerbera*
I LOVED those Clarkson vids! I had them on VHS haha! I already loved TVR cars but that race that Clarkson set up (its on UA-cam too) made the TVR Cerbera my dream car, it utterly destroyed all competition! The only car to come close was a Porsche 911 Turbo but even that was miles behind. Clarkson can be a bit of a twat but he always loved TVR and for that i have to respect him.
The Cerbera has to be the car with the longest doors, they're massive
The avantime and Cerebera are definitely the 2 leading that category. Not a pairing you'll get anywhere else
@@johnyossarian1135both surprisingly similar in terms of crazy design
Have you ever seen a Renault Twingo?
@@ambergris5705 proportionally longer but not that long next to the doors on bigger cars
I was in the engine shop at TWR back in 1985 building the Jaguar XJR-6 Group C engine. quite a culture shock after finishing an apprenticeship at a Triumph Stag specialist.
I had the rare privilege to not only drive a road going Group A Rover SD1 Vitesse with next seasons twin plenum race engine in it but also Toms own heavily modified XJS 6.1.
Tom and TWR were repsonsible for so much in top level motorsport and prestige motor cars. The Metro 6R4 engine was developed there (a later form going on to replace the V12 Jaguar engine in the XJ220); under the skin the XJ8/DB7 was evolved by TWR from the XJS; the so called 'Dream Team' in F1 who ultimately ended up at Ferrari with Michael Schumacher was formed by Walkinshaw during his Benetton and Arrows time; the Arrows A23 in its various incarnations became one of the longest running chassis in modern F1 history.
the big lesson from my time there was "its not how good you are, its how good you cheat"
Good advise about the blood pressure! Yes, I'm having it to (67) 220/160 (!) and felt nothing. Now its 130/80
I had a high blood pressure incident. Felt completely normal until I slid off a chair and found my right hand side not working properly. My wife called an ambulance and I was taken to the hospital. The staff were awesome and I am able to walk again but will be on medication for the rest of my life. It could have been much worse.
Nice to see the British Motor Museum (home to TVRs and Jaguar TWRs) feature. I had a look under the bonnet of that green Grantura earlier this week.
Fairplay Dude, that's a great video and a very good call out at the end, BP is the is the silent killer, and you did it without trying to promote or push any particular product. That's straight up honest. You are a decent person and you are capable of kindness. That's about the highest compliment I can give.
A team up between these two in the 90s would have been mental. The Cerebera would have probably made it to le mans in some form, arrows might have had something better than the Yamaha and Hart lumps in the back of the car (no disrespect to Brian Hart, Gary Anderson said he's a lovely and talented man but the engines in the arrows cars weren't great) and with Peter Wheelers dog around they would have been able to bounce back from losing John Barnard as a designer. A TVR GT squad run by people who know more than a bunch of blokes who love speed would have boosted sales and having a tangible product would have given TWR a boost as well. Don't know how the prost situation would have gone down in this alternate timeline though since that was a moneypit no matter what
And he forgot that jaguar team hehe
10/10 for plugging checking your blood pressure 👍🏾😊
Being an American, never having been overseas, and having only seen 2 TVR's- a Cerbera at a Car Show- and a Vixen 2 (which I did get to ride along in!!) I can only say that I sincerely hope to see a lot more of them on the road, and hopefully locate and buy a Sagaris one day! They are beautifully raw, light, and visceral cars that deserve to have a presence
Your blood pressure advice is honourable and selfless. A BIG thank you for that.
Still miss my 400SE and regret selling it to this day it was one of the best sounding cars I’ve ever heard. Great video !
Thanks for that Mash-Up. I sold the Saab Viggen version and had no idea of the TWR connection. Now, I will end with something you will appreciate -- I'm not dead yet!
I was impressed with TVR starring roles in the Hollywood action movies Swordfish and the last Pierce Brosnan appearance as James Bond in Die Another Day. These were most definitely the bad guy cars, but I thought they were really cool. The machine gun attachment on the Bond Baddie car was a nice touch for winter driving.
The TVR is literally the only thing I remember about Swordfish.
Sorry but it's a jaguar xkr in the bond movie. You're right about swordfish though, and like the person above me it's all I remember about that crappy movie 😅
I stand corrected. Thank you! Still like the roof mounted machine guns. @@fluorine7575
@@AWMJoeyjoejoeyou don’t remember Halle Berry naked or close to naked ?
@@charlie1832 Maybe I should watch that film again. 🤣
That was a great video and the warning at the end warmed my heart for the care you showed your audience. Really appreciate it.
Also, congratulations on the content. Great videos and subjects. I like them so much I often go back and look for ones I haven't watched yet.
This is a brilliant channel, thank you for the excellent content.
Excellent show as always! One thing that I wanted to mention, however, is regarding your PSA about blood pressure. I have struggled with high blood pressure most of my adult life. I've also struggled with my weight. However, even after I lost a massive amount of weight and my blood pressure temporarily dropped, it ended up going back up anyway. In addition to being a certified car nut, I also love cycling.
I think a big part of that is simply because riding a bike is kind of like the exercise equivalent of driving. I've made a commitment to myself to ride at least 30 miles a week even when the weather gets bad in the wintertime. Given that that is my goal, I do try to double it whenever possible increasing.
My level of cardiovascular fitness by riding my bike has paid massive dividends in my blood pressure over just the few months I've been doing it. I have been riding since May. So in only about 3 months, my doctor had to reduce my blood pressure medicine from the second highest dose to the lowest dose. I'm hoping that in a few more months of riding, I'll be able to completely get off of blood pressure medicine entirely.
My blood pressure with no medicine right now is only in the borderline high range, which is better than it has been since I was 17. I'm 49 now.
I just wanted to add to that because we all live very hectic lives, and sometimes we don't realize the importance of moving around. I'm not a fitness Guru or expert by any stretch of the imagination. But we do tend to live a sedentary lifestyle with our cars and home delivery and all that kind of stuff, especially with all the hours we have to work just to make ends meet anymore.
I'm also somebody who hates exercise. I never got the endorphin rush or the runner's high or anything like that when I would exercise before, but riding a bike is so different. At least for me, this is the exercise that works! I'm actually excited to go for a bike ride every evening around my neighborhood, and on weekends, I take longer rides on the bike trail. I just want to encourage everybody to get moving some way in any way that you enjoy. It makes you feel so much better it makes you sleep so much better it reduces if not completely eliminating the stress and anxiety of everyday life and it really can help to lower your blood pressure and extend your Healthy Life.
I know this is way off topic for an automotive video, but I want more of us Car Guys to survive long enough to be a burden on the system we have spent our entire lives paying into.
👍 keep it up
Great write up. Kudos for the progress 👏
Hope you get better Andy. Thankyou for the time and effort you put into every video.
Your informative channel has come a long way.
You’re welcome Anton. I’m fine now the meds have it under control.
I can't believe you didn't mention the Cerbera Speed 12!! I regularly work somewhere nearby to TVR's old HQ, which houses an original chassis and a couple of modern reproductions too... Very aggresive machines!!😯
Excellent advice. Keep up the great work
Great Video. As usual. I diagnosed HBP several years ago. A big worry. I have found on top of meds, certain foods are a definate factor; regular raw Beetroot + Ginger, Garlic, pure Pomegranite ( juice) and seeds including Flax, Chia. The top two are the most important. The do work.
Well said about your BP. As an Australian Optometrist, it scares me about how many over 40's don't know what their BP is. Too many say "don't know". Worse is how many say "don't know, don't care"!!!
I am donating blood to the Red cross two times a year. And 2 years ago i was diagnosed with high blood Pressure aswell. Around 150/100. So its a free little chekup during blood donation. Thats what i forget to mention.
Outstanding video as ever, so informative. Thanks for posting. 🙂
10:33 Even the car is wearing flares! 😂
I’ve been down the high blood pressure road this year and are telling people to check out their blood pressure too
Great video! Still waiting for videos on Bristol, Marcos and the Scimitar and Scimitar SS1 and the AC ME3000. Gordon Keeble would also be interesting imo. I've always been fascinated with British low volume car companies like that.
Wonderful story and clever of you to combine the two. I live in Virginia and am a Volvo enthusiast and thus, well aware of TWR's involvement with BTCC and the epic 850 Wagon race cars. I think your story confirmed to me that "Walkinshaw Racing" involved in Australian V8 Supercars racing MAY be the same people.
One thing about the XJ220 and XJR-15 is that both were being developed at the same time... and Jaguar only knew about the XJ220. The XJR-15 launch was a surprise to them and not a welcome one! As for TVR, the Chimaera still represents one of the more affordable and less troublesome TVRs out there and I keep mulling over the thought of one...
A great video and appreciate the PSA at the end. On a side note; one big nail in the TVR coffin (remember, it's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in) was the 1999 introduction of the Porsche Boxster. More capable, safer, and with the Porsche shield as its agent, the Boxster cast a spotlight on the exceedingly crude nature of the contemporary TVR Griffith, Chimaera, and Cerbera.
Sadly Porsche won’t allow the Boxster/Cayman to fulfil its true potential. while new Caymans are probably more powerful than old Carrera/911s, the Cayman has never been allowed to be more powerful than its bigger brother in a given generation
Thanks for the advice on BP, I do hope you are well and keep well, your videos are always highly anticipated and appreciated by many…. Keep well and keep safe buddy!!
Great video as always - and thanks for the PSA.
I’ve had some medical issues myself over the past year or so and currently am not able to drive. I get my car enjoyment through your channel and other similar channels (Big Car is unique though) and greatly appreciate the opportunity to learn the histories of some of the worlds favourite cars.
I’m glad you got checked out Andy - take care.
Sorry to hear that Jeff. Glad you're still enjoying the videos!
Very rich and immersive. I appreciate what you’re doing
I remember there was body kits for 80's Mazda cars, designed by Tom Walkinshaw Racing. I think they appear even in two Mazda accessories brochure I have from the 80's.
I think first time I found out about TVR is the Gran Turismo game for Playstation :D
Superb video,happy memories 👍😉💪
Glad you got yourself checked out and loved the PSA.
The little company that could! Thanks for helping me respect them more
Sir! Keep care! You’re a great source of information and joy for people. The human body has no dash lights to tell you something is wrong.
Be well and be merry.
TWR had a fruitful relationship with Volvo too, producing some landmark cars. Always had a soft spot for TVRs. Love the excerpts from The Holy Grail. Great video
Thank you for your blood pressure PSA. I went to the doctor some time back with headaches and a loud whooshing sound in my ears. The doctor informed me that I was in hypertensive crisis and had the highest blood pressure he’d ever seen. After much medication and lifestyle changes it had come down but too late unfortunately. I have since experienced the unfortunate situation of having a major artery start an internal dissection, the most common cause of which is prolonged high blood pressure.
Please people, don’t ignore it, it will come back to bite you in the arse… actually, that’d be less painful than an artery dissection.
Yep had an episode where it felt off one day and looked at my blood pressure was almost off the charts... pills and lifestyle change helped but also lead to finding type II diabetes, and possible liver issue... I wasn't hugely over weight but I am now 6lbs away from my target goal and had dropped my A1C by over 2% in less than a month... male stubbornness will kill... get everything tested
Excellent video. Love your in depth looks into car companies that go through the many ups and downs. Those who get a second chance at glory and those who unfortunately flew too close to the sun and came hurdling back to earth. With that in mind, I was wondering if you could do something on Proton and Perodua, Malaysia's national champions in the car industry.
Great video as always. Could you do a video about Bristol cars? Very few people seem to have heard of them, and they had some beautiful cars.
Couldn't agree more about checking your Blood pressure, a few years ago after a routine medical at work I found out I had Hypertension, at 150/110 I was advised to see my doctor, I felt no symptoms feeling completely fine and normal (that's the danger of high blood pressure), at 39 non smoker minimal alcohol consumption, relatively fit and active with no pre-existing conditions and no history of it in my family I was completely shocked, I put it down in part at least to my relentless and unforgiving shift pattern at work, Medication, a few life style changes and a little tweak to my shift work has it under control. Great video BTW 👍 I used to work on a TVR 280i in my motor trade days.
What a balancing act you achieved in this video!
Enjoyed this as improved my knowledge of TWR. The name of the TVR Cerbera is pronounced like the three headed dog Cerberus - ser-ber-ah though I've also heard is said as ser-ber
Very interesting and entertaining, as usual. And Thanks for the blood pressure update.
Thanks, another enjoyable video👍. I'd like to see more on TVR road cars. Your coverage of TWR brings Roger Penske to mind. You could do a multi-parter on Mr Penske & his organization.
Tom also owned HSV Holden Special Vehicles here in Australia.
I just want one…😉
I identify as a TVR.!
My first name is actually Trevor but I go by my middle name Alan...
Never knew what TVR stood for - only ever remember it being a sort of halo car shown off in Top Gear occasionally! But 'Trevor' of all things!! Haha!
Awesome video as always, and appreciate the announcement at the end. Glad you caught it and hopefully that's that. Cheers! 🤗
Matra ! This is company you should talk about including Ligier
And then Walkinshaw would get another feature on the channel
The TVR info i know comes exclusively from the PS1 era Gran Turismo games. 😂
Great to advise of High Blood Pressure - I had the same when i went for a medical !!
Thanks for the advice on checking my blood pressure. Luckily, mine was 135 over 90, and being a relatively unhealthy man aged 54, I was told that was absolutely spot on. Even so, thanks for the advise
Good advice about blood pressure , i bought a BP monitor a couple of years back.
I love a lot of your content and this TVR/TWR mashup was certainly an interesting concept.
My only consistent feedback about your videos is that spending a little more time researching pronunciation would be great. Sometimes you get it spot on (e.g. Patrick Le Quemant) but Cerbera and Ebbw Vale shouldn't have taken too much effort to get right. Similarly with Giorgietto Giugiaro I seem to recall you always get his first name spot on then give us nothing like his last name.
Keep up the good work though. This is just a reflection to help to make some great videos even better.
Again what a great video.
I've always loved the TVR,I was lucky enough to have a spin in one.
And it was the main car in the film Swordfish
I love this channel
I ❤ only Allah and myself, of course.🙏.
@@joaoalbertodosanjosgomes1536 nobody asked plus you can love your parents and siblings
7:31 - Her name was Helen Jones, and she worked at the reception desk, of the Metropole Hotel in Blackpool, and who now still lives in Hoohill and is still friends with my mother, both in their 70's
She was dating Alister Bridges, the advertising & PR man, at the time and was paid £40 (i think she said!) for the 'Stunt'
I really liked the TVR Tasmin, as well as the Jaguar XJR-15. Great stuff!
I also just had a heart test to find I have a blocked artery so all tests around your heart are very valuable in keeping you alive
Loved the video
I had no idea Nissan had pinched the jag and made it into there car
That’s why it was so good 👍👍
Wonderful summary of these iconic car companies. To be honest, I had never heard of TWR as a car company although Tom Walkinshaw's name was quite well known here in Australia due to his involvement with the Holden Racing Team.
Always enjoy your stories. Cerbera is pronounced sir-burr-a. Thanks for all the vids
I had 2 2500M and 2 Taimars . Loved them , but they were buggers in the wet
Such a brilliant channel.Thank you.
The XJ220 is still one of the coolest looking cars of all time.
… did you know what Lemmy Kilmister once said ? „yes my blood pressure is ok, when I cut myself it comes out“.
The only other time I'd heard of TWR was when the company produced an inconclusive copy of the Clio V6 phase 1 chassis. Glad to know a little more.
TWR assembled all the Clio v6 phase 1 cars, in the same Swedish factory as the Volvo C70. Production was moved to the RenaultSport (and now Alpine) factory in Dieppe with the intorduction of the phase 2 cars, although the development from phase 1 to phase 2 was still by TWR.
Andy, for a fellow who professes to know little about the car industry, you’ve been making great videos the past few years.
Your editing and presentation skills have matured nicely, and the amount of effort you put into researching your topics is clear. I’m never left thinking, ‘Where’d he come up with that nonsense?’
You are head and shoulders above many presenters in your space now. Congratulations!
TVR short for Trevor and TWR Tom walkinshaw Racing.
Interesting video. I was amused with the connection between TVR and TWR as I wondered where you would find one. The TWR story about what happened to the XJR-14 (Mazda, Porsche) and the XJR-15 (Nissan) I had never heard before, amazing! Where I was in 2021 to get the Jab you had to have your blood pressure tested along with other routine things. I too was high, higher than yours but I had expected it since it runs in both my parents history. They gave me some pills and it dropped in a couple of days to borderline okay.
Well done for the health warning, superb video also
I've heard of TVR when I played the first two Gran Turismo games. I really wish that a 90s Chimaera, Griffith and even the Cerbera (not the Cerbera Speed 12) would be recreated in today's graphics.
One of my cousins' husband had a Grantura in the late 60s. Way Cool!!!
Hypertension is the silent killer: I'm lucky it was found during routine checks for work, otherwise I had no symptoms. Enjoyed the video, interesting to see the parallels & cross-overs. As a Cerbera (Surbera 😉) owner, also surprised Peter Wheeler didn't get a higher profile, without him TVR would have died in the eighties, but entertaining non the less, thank you.
Nice of You about the blood pressure anouncement! Be healthy! Bee good!
Hello, great video. However, I think that there was an even faster TVR model than the Typhon, at least theoretically. It was called the Cerbera Speed 12, a 1000hp GT1 race car for the road. It wasn't really a production car, but one example does exist.
That open-top 3000s was beautiful
What's the inexpensive tablets you had to control your BP?
Was it off the shelf medication or prescribed?
Good video BTW, always wondered what happened to TWR but never really bothered to search online. Also had no idea they owned Arrows F1
I’m interested to know. I’ve had fairly high pressure for a year but doctors reluctant to give me tablets.
Lisinopril is free on my insurance and brought me to normal,, from same area his was in.
I had a job interview at the now empty Leafield Technical Center for TWR Arrows at the end of 1996. I couldnt believe my luck when Mr Walkingshaw him self walked out into the reception area (passed the jag v12 engine on display) with a hand outstretched.....only to great the Japanese businessman sitting next to me lol
I paid a deposit for Typhon. Was a very exciting proposition, supercharged with a sequential gearbox. Following delay after delay I eventually gave up and got my depoit back when they said it would not get either of those.
We fitted the Sequential box to one Sagaris in late 2005, it was the only one we ever made. It was an absolute weapon on track. Loved driving that. Thanks for reminding me :)
I often had a severe headache, never cared for that, some pills it was gone, so what. Then, upon an upcoming small operation on my skin I was checked - and blood pressure was way too high. Since I was „adjusted“ to 130/80 all is fine, never had a headache since. So, yes, you‘re spot on, go and check.
Thanks for the blood pressure public service announcement!
Excellent, Sir.
In the mid 80's my mate Lee's dad had a TWR Mazda 626 - It wasn't just a bodykit, this white beast MOVED.
Ah... Tom Walkinshaw. The lad who had fingers in a lot of pies.
Spoiler: Still signed himself in history as the last chief of Arrows F1 team.
Is that an Aidan Millward reference or do I watch too much UA-cam?
@johnyossarian1135 Yes. Although it was true statement given where was Walkinshaw involved.
@@parrotantics2046 he was mates with mad lad flav so that's basically a requirement
Love the history lesson on this two three letter acronyms.
I owned a Mk1 Volvo C70 T5 coupe which was a joint venture between Volvo and TWR with TWR helping to engineer the suspension. It was the best handling car I've ever owned despite weighing as much as an elephant.
Thanks for the great Vid, I'll have a nice and dangerous Griffith 400 and a jag xjr 4.0 please. Glad your health is all nice and under control, take it easy man 🤘
For many TVR owners, Trevor Wilkinson was the genesis of the company but Peter Wheeler was the Moses who led the company to the promised land. The cars made under his ownership were mostly simply brilliant. I'm amazed he's not name checked!
And the most powerful and fastest TVR was the Speed 12, one of which (W112BHG) was road going. I chased it up a runway in my Chimaera and almost got out at 120mph because it was going away so fast, I thought I must have stopped.
Thank you! Brilliant as always