"Cover Cropping for Carbon Capture in Vineyards and Orchards" with Dr. Christine Jones (Part 4/4)
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2021
- April 20th 2021
Dr. Jones discusses the current state of vineyards and orchards as well as opportunities for cover crops to be incorporated for soil improvement
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Great presentation. Thank you Dr. Christine and GCS. Sharing with our neighbours. We have had great results in our vineyards with different cocktails of cover crops. Under vine we spring plant a mix of winter lentils 80%, flax 10%, mustard 3%, turnip 2%, phacelia 3% and teff 2% which gives us a full year of weed control and many other ecosystem services. For the drive row we fall plant hairy vetch, winter peas and winter triticale which is rolled to terminate before the vetch goes to seed. If we have moisture we'll plant a warm season mix to follow. Cheers
Outstanding presentation. Thank you Dr. Christine and thanks to GCS for putting this informative and inspiring series on featuring her 🙏
If I could like this multiple times, I would because every time I listen I glean new insights. Thank you @ChristineJones
There's a great webinar on the citrus problem in Florida on John Kemp's channel. Basically there is no insect that will attack healthy plants. Any time an insect becomes a pest, it's because we screwed up somewhere in our agricultural methods. In the case of citrus, it was bare soil yes, but also fertilizers, pesticides, and even more so planting density. They increased plant density at each new pest, thinking it would increase yield. Instead it made trees get less light, and compete with each other underground. I thought that after the antibiotics they would realize it was their own fault, after all leaf Brix measurements were made and showed the trees were unhealthy, but that genetic resistant tree ? What a load of BS... We know GMOs don't work and produce low Brix crops that get attacked MORE. But sadly there was the phyloxera thing on grapevines in Europe, and they "fixed" it with resistant vines from the US, so that led to wholelot of "it's the pest's fault and if we work on varieties it works". Ignoring the fact that in France and elsewhere, many grapevines that were cultivated on walls, with a lot of diversity and no pruning, were resistant to phyloxera and didn't come from the US... That was the key, plant diversity and LESS pruning. I'm so shocked at how obtuse farmers and scientists can be when it comes to that... The insect or the diseases is NEVER the problem. WE are the problem. Our methods are the problem. "Pests" NEVER wipe out ecosystem, because these pests didn't survive evolution. If an organism feeds on healthy plants, then the ecosystem collapses, and that organism dies. So over million of years, evolution only "selected" organisms that feed on unhealthy plants. All predators, whether it's mammals, insects or diseases, work like that and prey on the unhealthy. Herbivores eat healthy plants, but they don't eat the whole ecosystem, and when humans didn't kill their predators (see deers and wolves for example...) or when humans didn't introduce a species that's not supposed to be there (hello Australia), everything goes well. So my question is : why don't we all go from the postulate that nature works like that, taking care of itself, not having "pests", and use that as a base for all our agricultural methods ? How did we screw up so bad, that most of us still today thinks tilling, NPK fertilizers and monocultures are the way to go ? Thinking that every single pest that came by was NOT our fault and had to be eradicated through chemicals or genetics or more monoculture ?
This was a great interview. John kempf and "Advancing Eco Agriculture" also have lots of info ike this.
He's an idiot. His hypothesis includes every unavoidable stress a plant will encounter, as a necessary part of their life cycle, as rendering a plant unhealthy. He fails to take into account agriculture alone introduces unatural stress thereby rendering his hypothesis pointless lest we all return to a nomadic hunter/gatherer state. As was made clear by the citrus example given here; a complete ecosystem is the primary driver of production and disease tolerance.
Thank you for your wonderful work and for pulling together so many other peoples research . The whole set is so much more compelling!
Neat and tidy is driving force in most commercial vineyards. I’ve learned “messy” is true beauty.
When she was talking about the Florida issue it amazes me that man has always had the dominion attitude that we must kill what we don’t like. Our agriculture society has failed us over the decades when it come to issues like this with plant damage due to insects, rather than finding why they are feeding on the tree they resort to chemicals to combat the problem. That Asian insect is a cleanup insect it is there to clean a unhealthy tree with too much of one or more type of nutrients like ammonium or nitrates due to too much nitrogen, etc if you lower those ppm levels the insect will go away. There are some fruit producing trees that will flush with leaves if too much nitrogen is introduced via cover crops and will not produce a quality fruit. In my foliar fertilizing program I add less that 2% N and my trees will flush after nut set to assist in photosynthesis, SAP analysis is the way to go for knowing what your plants need regarding nutrients.
Intersting information.
Can i get your email ID please, I want to ask you about some challenges we are facing in macadamia farms.
Thanks in advance.
I was told that keeping plants in-between the rows takes away nutrients from the trees in the orchard. I am learning otherwise.
I think this is also a great opportunity to use native plants and other pollinator friendly species. You could use local species Just to get that wide diversity. We would have the soil health benefits and also ecosystem restoration in one fell swoop it’s kind of the perfect thing.
I would like more information on native cover cropping and avoiding allelopathic plants. Quite a few typical cover crop plants like rye, sunflower, brassicas, and peas can cause more problems--they do not play well with others. Getting the right cover crop mix for a particular area seems tricky.
Advancing Eco Ag recommends plant sap analysis versus tissue analysis because the sap is a more current measure of plant health than tissue.
This video increased my heart rate, Dr. Christine Jones, a symbiont for the health of Earth. Is your term biological induction another name for Quantum Superposition?💃Thank you.
1:24:49 through the end of this video is the most important information of this entire 4 part series.
All 4 of the webinars are fantastic. The last question in this webinar really wraps it all up perfectly. It would be good just take a snip of the last question and answer all by itself and put it on UA-cam. Some people might not watch the whole video that is this long but they might watch a few minutes of the video and get interested in the rest of the 4 videos. What do you think of honey? Since insects get pollen from a variety of plants, will that make a difference?
Would you mind putting the links for episodes 1, 2, and 3 in the description. That would make it much easier for those of us who missed them to catch up. Thanks for the wonderful work you are doing.
It's on the Green Cover YT channel/webbie thingy
In the orchards maybe a diversity of trees should be considered as well
My neighbor’s pine trees were monocropped in rows and he had a service that would trade pine straw for work such as mowing and weed control. He lost all his trees a few years ago during a prolonged hot,dry spell to a pine beetle. My pines are ok but they are in a natural,mixed forest. Even the ones on the other side of his driveway,just feet from his pines are still fine.
He’s letting his property return to native plants after seeing how much healthier my pines and even my sweet gum trees were during the drought.
Christine mentioned that this incredibly diversity would have less of an effect in annual production where vegetable crops roots don't extend very far. How do you all think this kind of inter-row polyculture would do in the inter rows of blueberries/raspberries? Blueberries have notoriously shallow root systems, but do you think it would work?
Thank you again Keith, Noah and Christine. Love this stuff and Dr Christine Jones directed me to another one, that I need to learn more of since hearing the term which is your presentation with "Dr James White Webinar - Rhizophagy Cycle" My next in flick for my Friday night viewing. Some of the fun highlights I took from this one are "Oh that's interesting, When the Asian Citrus Psyllid sucks the sap from the citrus tree!" and another mind bender with internalizing microbes- "Biological Induction- You won't probably find that on google search because it's my term" Keep them coming. This is the path to our future not Gates Ag One! So will you donate some MILPA mix for me to guerrilla disperse on our local boulevard strips for the community to harvest from!
Very interesting presentation thanks!
Any suggestions for useful cover crops for tropical environments.
Thank you
Does anyone have the resources and papers cited? Would love to read them myself.
Does anyone know if the asian Citrus Psyllid mentioned another name for the Itadori variety that is being introduced in some places to control Japanese knotweed?
Where is this with Elaine Ingram’s soil food web?
I wonder the same thing. It would fit nicely applying dynamic biology to a multi species cover. John Kempf said to do both together. Cover and biology added. I’ve heard Jones say most biology added gets consumed so it’s tough to say.
Please share the resource guide. I want to read the story
Consider improving to a better external microphone when so many people are listing.
If you are doing multi specie cover crops in an orchard, why bother to terminate. Why not just let them go to seed and self perpetuate.
Why are grasses not good in the orchard vs flowers and broadleaf plants?
I suppose the difference is that flowers feed pollinators.
Multi-species ground cover is best because same family (e.g., all grass) ground cover compete (under the soil) whereas different herbs/forbs (short/long, winter/summer), legumes (same) cooperate, extending the fungal networks which is beneficial to the cash crop as well. Look up roller-crimpers if you still want to be 'in control'. Operative word is cooperation or as The Dr., says 'companion' planting.
35:00 "There are more microbial cells in plants than plant cells" - same is true in humans and our microbiome.
Flowers in vineyards and orchards = increased tourism based on beauty. Tourism on farm and off = $$$