For anyone wondering real night vision does not have those lights for enemies to see ...that is purely 100 percent for the player's benefit so we can tell where we are in the dark...the enemies don't see it because they are not actually there.
+MyAccountNameSucks No, nightvision goggles work by picking up infrared light and amplifying it, with for example image intensifier tubes or Gallium Arsenide photocathodes. They do not emit any light themselves. Some night vision systems do you offer an IR illuminator that can be turned on, but that can be thought of like a flashlight for nightvision goggles. Also, the actual visible light of IR sources if a very faint red to purple like color. For example, you can grab a remote, go to a dark room and look at the end when you press a button. You will see a very faint purplish colour. Also, thermal imaging like FLIR work with a solid state sensor, an array of for example vanadium oxide sensors. They do not emit light either. Although they have to have a specific type of lens over the top to block normal light (such as sodium chloride (which has obvious disadvantages in moist enviroments), saphire or most commonly gallium). So they do have a very particular look.
tHaH4x0r "it's shiny, but only in the sense that it reflects light" In other words, external light sources get reflected on the lens, and that reflection is pretty visible. Say you're 20 m from a lamp post, the light from the post will be visible in the lenses.
+Gasai Yuno It'd be an interesting episode, but I doubt George will find much Tolkien influence in games. Most games only borrow the skin of Tolkien's work without understanding what Tolkien tried to accomplish.
"post-halo world" that's an interesting way to put it George, will we ever see you do an episode on your thoughts on the halo series and how its gameplay/mechanics influenced future of the genre (for better or for worse) ?
I second this notion, it would be very interesting to see such a video (or series of videos?) on the Halo series, besides the obvious jokes on how it made games easier and the like. It did influence, if not changed, the FPS market and the game industry around it. It would be interesting to get a retrospective on it.
The most important thing to take away from Clancy-esque realism (as far as videogames go) should be challenge. Just like anything truly exciting in life, videogames are fun because they challenge us; the possibility of failure - even if it is just a game - makes it exhilarating. Sure, the orginial R6 was hard as balls specifically because of how realistic it was, but that level of planning, strategy, and tactics brought the actual gameplay to a whole new level unseen at the time. As far as "realism" goes in regard to the incorporation of technical accuracy in things like guns, tactics, etc: it's just icing on the cake that shows an appreciation for what the content draws from, which just makes it cooler for people who are into those things. This is why a lot of people are increasingly disappointed with later entries with Tom Clancy's name on it (don't get me fucking started about bullet sponge simulator...oops I mean The Division). That level of detail present in Clancy realism not only presented a specific challenge pertinent to gameplay, it also crafted a very specific tone for the overall experience. For example: compare the original Ghost Recon to Ghost Recon Wildlands. The original was *much more* attuned to the "serious shit" SBH described in this video; au contraire, the only thing coming close to Clancy realism in Wildlands is the weapon customization and the enemies dying in a few shots. Another example would be the original Rainbow Six versus R6 Siege; the former is probably one of the most tactically-oriented shooters *of all time*, the latter feels like a wanna-be Counter Strike. I'm not gonna rag on Ubisoft as a whole, but they've *REALLY* disrespected Tom Clancy's name in the past few years. They've deviated from a very specific methodology that established the identity of the Tom Clancy brand, and made it something it's not supposed to be. *At all.*
I was raised by my brothers on rainbow six. When you showed the intro to the rainbow six original it brought me straight back to my childhood. I think hardcore gamers need to get over the fact that games have lost what we thought made them special to appeal to a more general audience. It happened to every genre ..counterstrike dod quake turned into halo and cod ... everquest age of conan and ultima turned to a plethora of wow clones...and don't even get me started on rpg's
I'm kind of surprised that he didn't cite Socom: U.S Navy Seals after I watched the video and I started to think about it a little more. Because, Socom followed that Tom Clancy formula the original games had.
I'm replaying through the 1st one tonight, and I gotta say that once you get used to it, it still holds up. AI looks way worse than it did in 98, but the variety and customization of gameplay makes up for it. It's been years upon years, but I remember enjoying the first the best and it looks like that's still the case. Looking forward to doing Rogue Spear next...
It's actually not QUITE realistic that a single bullet = one kill, especially if the enemy is wearing armor. Mind you, it's more close to the truth than the bullet sponges we see in most games, but it's not quite accurate. It's more that the bullet creates a very large wound, and the target bleeds out after a while if they don't receive medical attention (but will likely still often face permanent injury). How much time they have and what the long-term results depends on multiple factors such as the type of ammunition, armor, and the person being shot. It's also possible that, after mortally wounding a target, they'll still be able to attack and kill you, and may not even realize that you've just shot them 3 times earlier.
Infromative. Now, if you will, try tsystemizing all of that into an action game. You can't, not if you want your game to be an action game. 1 shot=1 kill is the closest thing to realism we can afford.
Kevlar can't stop most bullets. It softens the blow for most guns, but pretty much anything larger then your standard hand-gun can still pierce it and kill the wearer (at close enough range, at long distances body armour is better because the bullet slows down due to air resistance and has less force.). If I fired an AK-47 at you, and you were wearing body-armour you would die. Sorry but you've been lied to, Doctor Brown would have been killed at the end of back to the future even if he was wearing body armour. And in the Rainbow Six series you can survive a gun wound to the body, just you normally die.
This is great. Tom Clancy games introduced me to Tom Clancy the writer which broadened my horizons at a very young age. Even today I always look at things, at least partially, through the lens of a world depicted in Mr. Clancy's books, where yes, peace is a good idea, but often peace must be won with war, and a guy somewhere with a silencer operating beyond the law.
That’s all fine and good, but maybe the question of why those people you’re going to war with are attacking you should be asked instead. Are terrorist attacks happening because we’re getting involved in affairs that aren’t ours? (Middle-East) Is it practical to spend billions on the largest army in the world while thousands of the USA’s people aren’t getting the healthcare, education and livable income they need? It’s a topic that should be explored further but it doesn’t mean games like these shouldn’t exist (I personally love Halo, Mass Effect and a whole bunch of Sci-fi action games).
I gotta say thank you so much for your rainbow vids, I had stopped playing games basically altogether and given up on modern games or have gotten completely frustrated with them and this has really helped me see that their are older games I gotta go back and play!!
This video reminds me of all my limited experience with Clancy games and it's made me interested in looking at them again. I remember when Chaos Theory came out and some magazines considered it a 'cold, hard, serious' alternative to Snake Eater (which was, itself, influenced a fair bit by SC and Pandora Tomorrow). Years ago I played a demo of a PSP Rainbow Six which I now actually want to buy for that strategic aspect...now compare that to how easy it is to play Vegas in co-op as a basic FPS.
The lights are actually not visible to enemies because technically their not there. They are there for the player to let them know where the character is in the dark.... then again the issue of not seeing your character in the dark could be fixed by just switching to night vision mode.
How far back have you watched? My favorite videos are from way more than a month ago, make sure you see the Metal Gear reviews, the Garry's Mod nazis and the hype + E3 saga :p
I feel the same it's good to just sit back and watch a well thought out video about a certain topic which is thought provoking better than seeing those endless minecraft lets plays all the time.
+alphadogg64 No, they just make dumbed down, repetitive, unchallenging mainstream games for mainstream idiots like you who will chew it up whether or not its creative or not.
I used to play Rainbow Six 3 with my friends on lan, the co-op was really fun because of how hard the game was. We made our own plans on how to clear different levels and that is something I really miss when it comes to modern fps. Yeah, we probably had to give the same mission 30 attempts but it felt so good when we finally nailed it.
Why do you say it's "kinda sad that games owe so much to people that aren't professional game makers"? I think we're going to find more fresh looks and new ideas from sources outside the medium rather than continually regurgitating or fine-tuning things within. In your Doom video you state how much that game benefited from being a by-product of 90's culture that really set its identity that is recognized today. I think I would much rather see inspirations taken from other books, movies, or any non-gaming media than seeing stuff from the last game that sold well over and over.
+CleaveTheDragon Yeah kinda a contradiction given how much he talks about games that are influenced by many external factors and non game makers. Sometimes I think George says stuff that sounds interesting and will make people think without thinking through the statement himself.
DavehCZ truth is that there were to many lvls that you could move upon or down under the foots of guards what make is kinda to easy for me. But after all I love blacklist with all of my heart and it was a great game, even multiplayer was great :D but has a few problems. If they keep going that direction this franchise might become even better :D I like to move around in this game it feels so light and its pure pleasure for fingers. So they finally found a good basis for the game, but wont make any of those for years just because it solds bad. Its quite a complicated problem right now :p
I love me some Rainbow Six, but never played 'em co-op online. Maybe someone nowadays would be willing to have load 'em up with me and play some co-op...
I remember when I was a kid (anywhere from 7-10) my dad had this game and I could kind of play it with enough trial and error, but I didn't really grasp it. Thanks to that link I got it again and I'm eager to replay a game that so consistently enthralled me.
I hate the new thing with youtube that supposed to put what game that's being played in the description. He uses like 5 seconds of The Division and google is trying to sell me that the the "game this video was showing" was the Division.
I finished my first Tom Clancy game like two weeks back, having never touched any of the other ones. Friend gave me a free copy of Black List which came with Conviction, which was sort of ok and got me using uplay I guess? So right after I finished I looked up other stuff with his name on it being more receptive to using uplay, left the tab open and refreshed it later to find he'd died. Spooky. Also this video is a really tasteful and mature tribute, I never realized how much impact he'd had.
I love splinter cell blaclist and i still play it til this day but remember going to a friends house playing splinter cell on PlayStation in my early teens but never finished the game so splinter cell blaclist was my first to play through and beat and i keep the game in my favorites box in my room.
I would probably argue that Robert A. Heinlein is one of the most influential authors in gaming, seeing as James Cameron's Aliens was very heavily inspired by it, and of course, Aliens has been a point of reference for countless games.
I think Tom Clancy was a great book writhe rand game maker so they put his name as an honor in the covers to remember him but that's how it feels to me his games will be my all time favorite
I remember being upset about little things with the console versions of Clancy games... like replacing the helmets and body armor with bandana's and Beefy Tee's... At this point in games, I'm just hoping that they let me lean somehow... even lowering my bar from manual to contextual as much as that feels utterly frustrating to have my video game protagonist unable to do things that even I with a now horribly messed up back... can still manage to pull off lol. Lol when the 7th gen of consoles didn't make any iterations to the peripherals, my heart sank... didn't realize it was less of a stagnation and more of an eternal time loop that would eventually lead to modern gameplay across the board trying to boil itself down to QT events with extra steps. I knew it was gonna get real bad after they took the jump button out of the assassins creed games... and people were just completely ok with that... sigh... Didn't realize how good we had it when they at least would try and make games and gameplay specific to a platform's strengths... But I suppose the PC end of that was gone when PC gamer had fully forgotten what they had... now people treat the platform like a console analogue with extra steps, justified by maybe being prettier at a price point... and sadly you really gotta work at something and get the rare lottery of a game that has or accidentally ended up with some sort of code level mod support just to claw back a pretence of what we had, just for agency... we don't get the level and game design back out of that usually even still.
I remember when Far Cry came out and I was like... ok... this is the future! You can do EVERYTHING here... it's a open level design action shooter with all the buttons you got with a tactical shooter... Then FEAR had to rub it in further and say, hey kids... wanna jump kick and slide too? (yes please)... Then we got Bioshock right on the coattails of Irrational's SWAT4... and what it was I guess was a few years removed, but the inevitable and heralded Deus Ex Invisible War effect... and nevermind system shock 2, which mechanically was still way ahead of Bioshock... the stark contrast between those two broke my brain a bit in the expectations, vs what someone who did something, had made a name doing something, and then was willing to shovel out to the base that had championed them prior... and what really killed me was how many people were fine with it even from that base. Then we had Crysis... then we had Crysis 2.. Fear 2... FarCry 2... The Metro 4a take on STALKER... And now with a whole generation of folk who didn't even have a chance to get any exposure to what used to be, growing up with this normalization... (nvm all the fun things that went with closed ecosystem curated products like microtransactions, live service content, ect...) The average game developer now days, even in Indie, treats this like it's a good thing. l... Just... please let me lean, it's all I ask... I love sliding, aiming and bunnyhopping like all the kiddos... but I wanna do it when I wanna do it... not cause the contextual prompt tells me I can... But just at least let me have basic upper torso manipulation... like even a camera rotation with no horizontal movement so I can pretend? This is my plan to finally play those FP Resident evil games... which have VR ports, like official ones too... and yet even a contextual lean in the sneaky survival horror game... why? I dunno, but I liked it better when Re6 didn't ask why and just let you play on the Teeter totter... What happened to that design team? Ironic that a game known for egregious QTE scenes had more agency and manual gameplay than 7 and 8 which just like to pretend that the game isn't one at it's core...
I was brought into modern gaming back then my first console was the xbox 360 and my first game COD:MW loved it back then but as the years went on i started to realize that developers no cared about the quality of the game just the profit it can make, retro gaming is looking much more appealing the gameplay is miles better than the crap we get today. Just brought the first rainbow six on PSN it was such a wonderful experience a game which actually involves tactics.
From the ones that I played Vegas 2 had a story that looks written for a 5 years old kid, its just a buch of nosense. Even with that the game was marvelous.
SWAT 4 is similar and of course there is ARMA, you don't have a planning stage in either but other then that they carry the game play idea of Rainbow 6
As a fan of the original rainbow six and the tactical realsim genre overall, I thought you were spot on. It would have been great to see where Red Storm could have taken that title staying true to what it was. At least we have games like Arma now that deliver realism.
They scratch my itch when they actually depict something that looks like military action and not some wishy-washy sci-fi cyberpunk hybrid. Give me Arma over CoD any day of the week.
Maybe it's because the subject of the video was Tom Clancy, but I swear I could hear a southern accent in some parts of this video. Great video though, taking the perspective of someone outside of games and their impact on it is exactly the kind of neat insight I've come to expect of Bunnyhop. Keep up the good work.
Probably. Either way, it'd still reveal the profound lack of creativity behind a lot of people's favorite game worlds. I think the last time I played a fantasy world that felt truly original was... hmm... Fez maybe?
I think that games have more in common with books than with films. A movie is set in stone, almost every viewer sees things the same way but while reading a book or playing a game you can decide your own pace and style. Imagine if Gone Home was a film. The intro would have been very slow and boring for everyone but while playing it people have their own experience.
Exactly it's derived into a form of work rather than a source of entertainment it's rare now to find youtubers who upload simply because they enjoy entertaining people. It certainly would help with the comment section which i'm pretty sure was supposed to be used as a form of discussion on the subject of the video but as you see with most videos turns into a barrage of insults -_-.
Good lord, we didn't have a good milsim for like five years between SWAT 4 and ARMA 2. It's scary how close it was to becoming a dead genre, but there's still nothing quite like the old Rainbow Sixes around today. Lockdown is too buggy right now to compete, so I guess I'll go ahead and get to reinstalling :p
I've been a fan for a while now, but the use of Parasite Eve footage has turned me into a SuperBunnyhop-Super-Fan! And yes, despite all the work you put into video I was always that easy to please.
Thats more of a 'theme' than a universe / style inherited from a popular novel/art work. E.g Fallout, Prototype, STALKER. Both use post apocalyptic themes- but are completely different in story and gameplay etc. (Sorry I really couldnt think of better examples.)
RIP Tom Clancy. The brand have gone down hill after Rainbow six: Black Arrow (best MP game I've ever played). It's sad that this style of games are not made anymore or have change the way you point out. Great video!
Great overview. The older Rainbow Six games really took a lot of forethought to get through, and that was really compelling to me at the time. The new ones are fun as well, and they've added some interesting mechanics to a tried and tired FPS format while keeping it "modern" feeling. Honestly, I don't even think the new Ghost Recon games are even that bad. Future Warrior was surprisingly cool to me, and it definitely presents the most technical gun customization mode. However, GR 2 really stands out to me as far as multiplayer is concerned.
Good video, thanks. I don't have a problem following most of the jargon in Hunt, even if I'm not a squid, but I might be in the minority there. I would add that Clancy's plots weren't that far over the top, most of the time he had done his research and made logical projections like any sci-fi writer might. For example, forecasting using jumbo jets as flying suicide bombs. Anyway, good overview again, thanks.
i was watching this and i was tryna figure out if i had my itunes open and it was playing one of my us marine band playlists... but like yooo semper fidelis and stuff !!! neato bgm
Despite the fact that I don't enjoy most modern military shooters or the like, I do have to give this guy some props. I did like playing Splinter Cell, and sometimes you just want to play a game and not be challenged by convoluted plots like Metal Gear or so forth.
I originally wrote the script to refer to Aliens, but then I was afraid people would call me out on it because it's the same universe as Alien. Now look, the exact opposite happened!
I've noticed that all the smaller channels, like you, actually make videos because you want to and not because you have a big audience demanding you to keep on feeding them. All the big youtubers now just keep doing the same types of videos over and over again because they feel the need to make videos for their fans. Look at you talking about someone I didn't even know existed and yet I enjoyed this more than AVGN making a top 10 full of games he's already reviewed. Keep up the good work.
I think gameplay shifted over the years. The time it takes to plan out a mission, fiddle through menus, and suffer strong punishment for mistakes or bugs has become more unpopular as people have less time for messing around, and play for enjoyment. Nevermind the fact that it's apparently hard as hell to do, recent attempts to do tactical FPS games have been buggy failures.
Hey Bunny, I just want to say awesome video. I grew up around Tom Clancy and Command and Conquer, though I had never played some of the first original games that were made before they were acquired by Ubisoft. With games like The Division and Rainbow Six Patriots coming out, do you think we'll ever see the return of tactical FPS?
What's wrong with Sam Fisher's lights on his goggles? When Sam switches to thermal vision, why does the 3rd person camera outside of his body change to thermal vision as well?
Ding isn't allowed to die in my games.
Everyone else is expendable.
I would like to give you a high five so much for this. :D
Sam Fisher's Green lights are not visible at all. if you place Sam in front of a mirror, the lights wont shine in the reflection.
Domingo " Dinky The Ding Man Goes in first" Chavez
Ding + Santiago Arvanasca OP af
For anyone wondering real night vision does not have those lights for enemies to see ...that is purely 100 percent for the player's benefit so we can tell where we are in the dark...the enemies don't see it because they are not actually there.
+guitarman0365 I'd imagine that it's rather to make Sam look cool. It's more of a design decision than a game mechanical decision.
+guitarman0365 Isn't that infrared light?
from what I've seen, light intensifying lenses are pretty shiny, but only in the sense that it reflects light.
+MyAccountNameSucks No, nightvision goggles work by picking up infrared light and amplifying it, with for example image intensifier tubes or Gallium Arsenide photocathodes. They do not emit any light themselves. Some night vision systems do you offer an IR illuminator that can be turned on, but that can be thought of like a flashlight for nightvision goggles. Also, the actual visible light of IR sources if a very faint red to purple like color. For example, you can grab a remote, go to a dark room and look at the end when you press a button. You will see a very faint purplish colour.
Also, thermal imaging like FLIR work with a solid state sensor, an array of for example vanadium oxide sensors. They do not emit light either. Although they have to have a specific type of lens over the top to block normal light (such as sodium chloride (which has obvious disadvantages in moist enviroments), saphire or most commonly gallium). So they do have a very particular look.
tHaH4x0r "it's shiny, but only in the sense that it reflects light"
In other words, external light sources get reflected on the lens, and that reflection is pretty visible. Say you're 20 m from a lamp post, the light from the post will be visible in the lenses.
I'd love to see a Super Bunnyhop video dedicated to Tolkein and his influence on the gaming industry.
+Gasai Yuno
Magic, Gods, and the not exactly Human species, but not alien or scientific.
+Gasai Yuno It'd be an interesting episode, but I doubt George will find much Tolkien influence in games. Most games only borrow the skin of Tolkien's work without understanding what Tolkien tried to accomplish.
Or Fritz Lieber's "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser", via Dungeons & Dragons
dont give George more rabbit holes to go down to
"post-halo world" that's an interesting way to put it
George, will we ever see you do an episode on your thoughts on the halo series and how its gameplay/mechanics influenced future of the genre (for better or for worse) ?
I second this notion, it would be very interesting to see such a video (or series of videos?) on the Halo series, besides the obvious jokes on how it made games easier and the like.
It did influence, if not changed, the FPS market and the game industry around it. It would be interesting to get a retrospective on it.
The most important thing to take away from Clancy-esque realism (as far as videogames go) should be challenge. Just like anything truly exciting in life, videogames are fun because they challenge us; the possibility of failure - even if it is just a game - makes it exhilarating. Sure, the orginial R6 was hard as balls specifically because of how realistic it was, but that level of planning, strategy, and tactics brought the actual gameplay to a whole new level unseen at the time. As far as "realism" goes in regard to the incorporation of technical accuracy in things like guns, tactics, etc: it's just icing on the cake that shows an appreciation for what the content draws from, which just makes it cooler for people who are into those things.
This is why a lot of people are increasingly disappointed with later entries with Tom Clancy's name on it (don't get me fucking started about bullet sponge simulator...oops I mean The Division). That level of detail present in Clancy realism not only presented a specific challenge pertinent to gameplay, it also crafted a very specific tone for the overall experience. For example: compare the original Ghost Recon to Ghost Recon Wildlands. The original was *much more* attuned to the "serious shit" SBH described in this video; au contraire, the only thing coming close to Clancy realism in Wildlands is the weapon customization and the enemies dying in a few shots. Another example would be the original Rainbow Six versus R6 Siege; the former is probably one of the most tactically-oriented shooters *of all time*, the latter feels like a wanna-be Counter Strike.
I'm not gonna rag on Ubisoft as a whole, but they've *REALLY* disrespected Tom Clancy's name in the past few years. They've deviated from a very specific methodology that established the identity of the Tom Clancy brand, and made it something it's not supposed to be. *At all.*
I was raised by my brothers on rainbow six. When you showed the intro to the rainbow six original it brought me straight back to my childhood. I think hardcore gamers need to get over the fact that games have lost what we thought made them special to appeal to a more general audience. It happened to every genre ..counterstrike dod quake turned into halo and cod ... everquest age of conan and ultima turned to a plethora of wow clones...and don't even get me started on rpg's
I'm kind of surprised that he didn't cite Socom: U.S Navy Seals after I watched the video and I started to think about it a little more. Because, Socom followed that Tom Clancy formula the original games had.
+BigBox GG Yeah, but it's irrelevant mostly because it's not a tom clancy game.
TheKarui Still deserves a mention, the first two entries are among the finest examples of a tactical shooter.
BigBox GG Yeah maybe in another video. I played the hell out of the first one on PS2
TheKarui THis video is perfect for a Socom mention. Far more relatable than run & gun shooters like Battlefield.
I love those games. I still have a few
I still play the original ghost recon :D
I'm replaying through the 1st one tonight, and I gotta say that once you get used to it, it still holds up. AI looks way worse than it did in 98, but the variety and customization of gameplay makes up for it. It's been years upon years, but I remember enjoying the first the best and it looks like that's still the case. Looking forward to doing Rogue Spear next...
'Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory' is one of the greatest game ov all tid!=(
Grand Nagus Zek Today it's pretty much the only good Splinter Cell.
Double Agent is better.
@@GuyOnAChair Pandora Tomorrow was also great. That's about it, though.
It's actually not QUITE realistic that a single bullet = one kill, especially if the enemy is wearing armor. Mind you, it's more close to the truth than the bullet sponges we see in most games, but it's not quite accurate. It's more that the bullet creates a very large wound, and the target bleeds out after a while if they don't receive medical attention (but will likely still often face permanent injury). How much time they have and what the long-term results depends on multiple factors such as the type of ammunition, armor, and the person being shot.
It's also possible that, after mortally wounding a target, they'll still be able to attack and kill you, and may not even realize that you've just shot them 3 times earlier.
Infromative. Now, if you will, try tsystemizing all of that into an action game. You can't, not if you want your game to be an action game. 1 shot=1 kill is the closest thing to realism we can afford.
Elegant Cat It actually wouldn't be too hard. Just have a "bleed-out" mechanic, like an inverted health-regen.
It is a concious attempt at realism not reality itself.
***** True, if you wanted to be 100% realistic. However, if you just did reverse health-regen, that would be a step up.
Kevlar can't stop most bullets. It softens the blow for most guns, but pretty much anything larger then your standard hand-gun can still pierce it and kill the wearer (at close enough range, at long distances body armour is better because the bullet slows down due to air resistance and has less force.).
If I fired an AK-47 at you, and you were wearing body-armour you would die.
Sorry but you've been lied to, Doctor Brown would have been killed at the end of back to the future even if he was wearing body armour.
And in the Rainbow Six series you can survive a gun wound to the body, just you normally die.
This is great. Tom Clancy games introduced me to Tom Clancy the writer which broadened my horizons at a very young age. Even today I always look at things, at least partially, through the lens of a world depicted in Mr. Clancy's books, where yes, peace is a good idea, but often peace must be won with war, and a guy somewhere with a silencer operating beyond the law.
That’s all fine and good, but maybe the question of why those people you’re going to war with are attacking you should be asked instead. Are terrorist attacks happening because we’re getting involved in affairs that aren’t ours? (Middle-East) Is it practical to spend billions on the largest army in the world while thousands of the USA’s people aren’t getting the healthcare, education and livable income they need?
It’s a topic that should be explored further but it doesn’t mean games like these shouldn’t exist (I personally love Halo, Mass Effect and a whole bunch of Sci-fi action games).
I gotta say thank you so much for your rainbow vids, I had stopped playing games basically altogether and given up on modern games or have gotten completely frustrated with them and this has really helped me see that their are older games I gotta go back and play!!
This video reminds me of all my limited experience with Clancy games and it's made me interested in looking at them again. I remember when Chaos Theory came out and some magazines considered it a 'cold, hard, serious' alternative to Snake Eater (which was, itself, influenced a fair bit by SC and Pandora Tomorrow). Years ago I played a demo of a PSP Rainbow Six which I now actually want to buy for that strategic aspect...now compare that to how easy it is to play Vegas in co-op as a basic FPS.
The lights are actually not visible to enemies because technically their not there. They are there for the player to let them know where the character is in the dark.... then again the issue of not seeing your character in the dark could be fixed by just switching to night vision mode.
Edgar Ortiz /_-
How far back have you watched? My favorite videos are from way more than a month ago, make sure you see the Metal Gear reviews, the Garry's Mod nazis and the hype + E3 saga :p
Every now and then you release these great gems. Great video!
I feel the same it's good to just sit back and watch a well thought out video about a certain topic which is thought provoking better than seeing those endless minecraft lets plays all the time.
Ubisoft completely fucked Clancy's reputation, he should have never allowed them to use his name.
Lol like he got a legendary reputation in the first place. He sell his name for money, never forget that
+Fleece “B00ty Warrior” Johnson Ubisoft ruins everything they possibly can.
+alphadogg64 No, they just make dumbed down, repetitive, unchallenging mainstream games for mainstream idiots like you who will chew it up whether or not its creative or not.
Hacı Sakallılar I'm an idiot for enjoying games that you don't like? Ok then hipster kiddy
Hacı Sakallılar Go play The Crew, tell me that isn't challenging in parts.
Super Bunnyhop, you are so great. I wish there were some recent Tom Clancy games as great as you.
I used to play Rainbow Six 3 with my friends on lan, the co-op was really fun because of how hard the game was. We made our own plans on how to clear different levels and that is something I really miss when it comes to modern fps. Yeah, we probably had to give the same mission 30 attempts but it felt so good when we finally nailed it.
Why do you say it's "kinda sad that games owe so much to people that aren't professional game makers"? I think we're going to find more fresh looks and new ideas from sources outside the medium rather than continually regurgitating or fine-tuning things within. In your Doom video you state how much that game benefited from being a by-product of 90's culture that really set its identity that is recognized today. I think I would much rather see inspirations taken from other books, movies, or any non-gaming media than seeing stuff from the last game that sold well over and over.
CleaveTheDragon Try Quarentine or Verdun or Savage then
+CleaveTheDragon Yeah kinda a contradiction given how much he talks about games that are influenced by many external factors and non game makers. Sometimes I think George says stuff that sounds interesting and will make people think without thinking through the statement himself.
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Well, he is a filthy, degenerate lefty, by his own admission and snide remarks to Tom Clancy's far superior and more grounded politics.
The first trilogy of Splinter Cell games were the best. After that.. it was really weak.
DavehCZ blacklist was almost perfect :P except the fact it was to fast.
ProtMan96 Yes I put that game after Chaos Theory but it was not bad. :) Stealth was a valid option there.
DavehCZ
truth is that there were to many lvls that you could move upon or down under the foots of guards what make is kinda to easy for me. But after all I love blacklist with all of my heart and it was a great game, even multiplayer was great :D but has a few problems. If they keep going that direction this franchise might become even better :D I like to move around in this game it feels so light and its pure pleasure for fingers. So they finally found a good basis for the game, but wont make any of those for years just because it solds bad. Its quite a complicated problem right now :p
+DavehCZ You're crazy, Blacklist is the best one to date.
+DavehCZ I really liked double agent and conviction just for becoming more fluid and having sweet ass knockout moves versus just grab and hold.
I love me some Rainbow Six, but never played 'em co-op online. Maybe someone nowadays would be willing to have load 'em up with me and play some co-op...
Red Storm Rising on the Amiga blew our minds back in the late 80s. It's still a blast to play, but it's very hardcore.
Lol Soup Sandwich sounds amazing. I love your videos man. Seriously
The real Tom Clancy was the friends we made along the way
I remember when I was a kid (anywhere from 7-10) my dad had this game and I could kind of play it with enough trial and error, but I didn't really grasp it. Thanks to that link I got it again and I'm eager to replay a game that so consistently enthralled me.
I could see it happening during that game. I still liked it, but not as much as the previous 3, and never picked the series afterwards :(
I hate the new thing with youtube that supposed to put what game that's being played in the description. He uses like 5 seconds of The Division and google is trying to sell me that the the "game this video was showing" was the Division.
now it's ghost recon wildlands, a game that didnt even appear in the video, and hasnt been released yet :VVVVV
I finished my first Tom Clancy game like two weeks back, having never touched any of the other ones. Friend gave me a free copy of Black List which came with Conviction, which was sort of ok and got me using uplay I guess? So right after I finished I looked up other stuff with his name on it being more receptive to using uplay, left the tab open and refreshed it later to find he'd died. Spooky. Also this video is a really tasteful and mature tribute, I never realized how much impact he'd had.
I love splinter cell blaclist and i still play it til this day but remember going to a friends house playing splinter cell on PlayStation in my early teens but never finished the game so splinter cell blaclist was my first to play through and beat and i keep the game in my favorites box in my room.
I would probably argue that Robert A. Heinlein is one of the most influential authors in gaming, seeing as James Cameron's Aliens was very heavily inspired by it, and of course, Aliens has been a point of reference for countless games.
Love your channel - thanks for the continued thoughtful work.
I think Tom Clancy was a great book writhe rand game maker so they put his name as an honor in the covers to remember him but that's how it feels to me his games will be my all time favorite
I remember being upset about little things with the console versions of Clancy games... like replacing the helmets and body armor with bandana's and Beefy Tee's... At this point in games, I'm just hoping that they let me lean somehow... even lowering my bar from manual to contextual as much as that feels utterly frustrating to have my video game protagonist unable to do things that even I with a now horribly messed up back... can still manage to pull off lol. Lol when the 7th gen of consoles didn't make any iterations to the peripherals, my heart sank... didn't realize it was less of a stagnation and more of an eternal time loop that would eventually lead to modern gameplay across the board trying to boil itself down to QT events with extra steps. I knew it was gonna get real bad after they took the jump button out of the assassins creed games... and people were just completely ok with that... sigh...
Didn't realize how good we had it when they at least would try and make games and gameplay specific to a platform's strengths... But I suppose the PC end of that was gone when PC gamer had fully forgotten what they had... now people treat the platform like a console analogue with extra steps, justified by maybe being prettier at a price point... and sadly you really gotta work at something and get the rare lottery of a game that has or accidentally ended up with some sort of code level mod support just to claw back a pretence of what we had, just for agency... we don't get the level and game design back out of that usually even still.
I remember when Far Cry came out and I was like... ok... this is the future! You can do EVERYTHING here... it's a open level design action shooter with all the buttons you got with a tactical shooter... Then FEAR had to rub it in further and say, hey kids... wanna jump kick and slide too? (yes please)... Then we got Bioshock right on the coattails of Irrational's SWAT4... and what it was I guess was a few years removed, but the inevitable and heralded Deus Ex Invisible War effect... and nevermind system shock 2, which mechanically was still way ahead of Bioshock... the stark contrast between those two broke my brain a bit in the expectations, vs what someone who did something, had made a name doing something, and then was willing to shovel out to the base that had championed them prior... and what really killed me was how many people were fine with it even from that base.
Then we had Crysis... then we had Crysis 2.. Fear 2... FarCry 2... The Metro 4a take on STALKER... And now with a whole generation of folk who didn't even have a chance to get any exposure to what used to be, growing up with this normalization... (nvm all the fun things that went with closed ecosystem curated products like microtransactions, live service content, ect...) The average game developer now days, even in Indie, treats this like it's a good thing.
l... Just... please let me lean, it's all I ask... I love sliding, aiming and bunnyhopping like all the kiddos... but I wanna do it when I wanna do it... not cause the contextual prompt tells me I can... But just at least let me have basic upper torso manipulation... like even a camera rotation with no horizontal movement so I can pretend?
This is my plan to finally play those FP Resident evil games... which have VR ports, like official ones too... and yet even a contextual lean in the sneaky survival horror game... why? I dunno, but I liked it better when Re6 didn't ask why and just let you play on the Teeter totter... What happened to that design team? Ironic that a game known for egregious QTE scenes had more agency and manual gameplay than 7 and 8 which just like to pretend that the game isn't one at it's core...
A big part of my childhood was the original Rainbow Six. Thanks for putting this up.
i've read tom clancy books (the jack ryan series) before i played splinter cell. can confirm it has the same feeling.
yeah, Jack Ryan can feel like a super hero sometimes ^^
I was brought into modern gaming back then my first console was the xbox 360 and my first game COD:MW loved it back then but as the years went on i started to realize that developers no cared about the quality of the game just the profit it can make, retro gaming is looking much more appealing the gameplay is miles better than the crap we get today.
Just brought the first rainbow six on PSN it was such a wonderful experience a game which actually involves tactics.
It's not, it just takes a couple months to put those things together. Hopefully I'll get to Spec Ops one of these days, I definitely want to.
From the ones that I played Vegas 2 had a story that looks written for a 5 years old kid, its just a buch of nosense.
Even with that the game was marvelous.
SWAT 4 is similar and of course there is ARMA, you don't have a planning stage in either but other then that they carry the game play idea of Rainbow 6
Its 2017 and im just finding out he died.
As a fan of the original rainbow six and the tactical realsim genre overall, I thought you were spot on. It would have been great to see where Red Storm could have taken that title staying true to what it was. At least we have games like Arma now that deliver realism.
I want to see a remake of the original Rainbow Six games. I loved them when I was younger, they were so much fun.
remember kids. The industry is using Tom Clancy corpus to sell you boring shooters.
I doubt it would really work as a book either. You'd be reading notes inside of a book inside of a book!
They scratch my itch when they actually depict something that looks like military action and not some wishy-washy sci-fi cyberpunk hybrid. Give me Arma over CoD any day of the week.
Maybe it's because the subject of the video was Tom Clancy, but I swear I could hear a southern accent in some parts of this video.
Great video though, taking the perspective of someone outside of games and their impact on it is exactly the kind of neat insight I've come to expect of Bunnyhop. Keep up the good work.
I miss Tom Clancy's EndWar...
Rip tom
Probably. Either way, it'd still reveal the profound lack of creativity behind a lot of people's favorite game worlds. I think the last time I played a fantasy world that felt truly original was... hmm... Fez maybe?
I think that games have more in common with books than with films. A movie is set in stone, almost every viewer sees things the same way but while reading a book or playing a game you can decide your own pace and style.
Imagine if Gone Home was a film. The intro would have been very slow and boring for everyone but while playing it people have their own experience.
Exactly it's derived into a form of work rather than a source of entertainment it's rare now to find youtubers who upload simply because they enjoy entertaining people.
It certainly would help with the comment section which i'm pretty sure was supposed to be used as a form of discussion on the subject of the video but as you see with most videos turns into a barrage of insults -_-.
You really make some good video's. Keep up the good work!
Good lord, we didn't have a good milsim for like five years between SWAT 4 and ARMA 2. It's scary how close it was to becoming a dead genre, but there's still nothing quite like the old Rainbow Sixes around today. Lockdown is too buggy right now to compete, so I guess I'll go ahead and get to reinstalling :p
Splinter Cell can also be bought on GoG.com, DRM-free.
I've been a fan for a while now, but the use of Parasite Eve footage has turned me into a SuperBunnyhop-Super-Fan!
And yes, despite all the work you put into video I was always that easy to please.
After reading the descriptions of the Net Force books, it becomes pretty hard to take Clancy-brand stuff seriously.
Damn Ghost Recon was so tuff that child me couldn't complete ANY mission
Holy shit, I just realised how much the Sum Of All Fears videogame shares with the first Rainbow Six games and Ghost Recon games.
A tear came to my eye the second I heard stars and stripes forever, Sousa is an enemy of mine.
Ubisoft is just another Cog in the Triple A Industry.
Tom Clancy's name was just another stick to reach money faster for them...
I loved the first Rainbow Six game.
i thought the plots for clancys materials were really believable.
I loved the Rainbow 6 novel and the game was great
Thats more of a 'theme' than a universe / style inherited from a popular novel/art work.
E.g Fallout, Prototype, STALKER. Both use post apocalyptic themes- but are completely different in story and gameplay etc. (Sorry I really couldnt think of better examples.)
the old Rainbow Six games were the best...
Man, Rogue Spear was such a good game. I credit it with instilling in me a lifelong unhealthy obsession with military-grade firearms.
RIP Tom Clancy. The brand have gone down hill after Rainbow six: Black Arrow (best MP game I've ever played). It's sad that this style of games are not made anymore or have change the way you point out. Great video!
It's so cute when he pretends that he reads.
Thanks Karel! I'll try my darndest :)
Does it count as a soup sandwich if you just dunk a hunk of bread into soup and eat it with a fork?
You used the Soviet Unions's anthem as background music while criticising Clancy for his Cold War aesthetics. Chapeau!
more frequent incite-full videos!
Great overview.
The older Rainbow Six games really took a lot of forethought to get through, and that was really compelling to me at the time. The new ones are fun as well, and they've added some interesting mechanics to a tried and tired FPS format while keeping it "modern" feeling.
Honestly, I don't even think the new Ghost Recon games are even that bad. Future Warrior was surprisingly cool to me, and it definitely presents the most technical gun customization mode. However, GR 2 really stands out to me as far as multiplayer is concerned.
Maybe we should add Romero"s earlier zombie films to the influence list. I think that zombies are a bigger sub genre than military games.
Good video, thanks.
I don't have a problem following most of the jargon in Hunt, even if I'm not a squid, but I might be in the minority there. I would add that Clancy's plots weren't that far over the top, most of the time he had done his research and made logical projections like any sci-fi writer might. For example, forecasting using jumbo jets as flying suicide bombs.
Anyway, good overview again, thanks.
i was watching this and i was tryna figure out if i had my itunes open and it was playing one of my us marine band playlists... but like yooo semper fidelis and stuff !!! neato bgm
Great stuff as usual
Thanks for the reply BH.
Despite the fact that I don't enjoy most modern military shooters or the like, I do have to give this guy some props. I did like playing Splinter Cell, and sometimes you just want to play a game and not be challenged by convoluted plots like Metal Gear or so forth.
We should petition to have a remake of the original rainbow six then.
I'm also not on board with soup sandwiches, but what's your opinion on Neo-Kobe Pizza?
I will miss you Tom
Very informative, great video.
Try playing Vegas on hardest difficulty
I originally wrote the script to refer to Aliens, but then I was afraid people would call me out on it because it's the same universe as Alien. Now look, the exact opposite happened!
I've noticed that all the smaller channels, like you, actually make videos because you want to and not because you have a big audience demanding you to keep on feeding them. All the big youtubers now just keep doing the same types of videos over and over again because they feel the need to make videos for their fans. Look at you talking about someone I didn't even know existed and yet I enjoyed this more than AVGN making a top 10 full of games he's already reviewed. Keep up the good work.
I don't think you need Tom Clancy to make Half-Life seem like a psychedelic fantasy.
I think gameplay shifted over the years. The time it takes to plan out a mission, fiddle through menus, and suffer strong punishment for mistakes or bugs has become more unpopular as people have less time for messing around, and play for enjoyment. Nevermind the fact that it's apparently hard as hell to do, recent attempts to do tactical FPS games have been buggy failures.
Hey Bunny, I just want to say awesome video. I grew up around Tom Clancy and Command and Conquer, though I had never played some of the first original games that were made before they were acquired by Ubisoft. With games like The Division and Rainbow Six Patriots coming out, do you think we'll ever see the return of tactical FPS?
It was all about Reserve1
Now I'm going to go watch all the TC movies.
man i miss the original ghost recon that game was so brutal yet so fun
No one in Atlanta has a Southern accent. You have to go way outside the city for that.
Not that AVGN'S newer videos are bad, some of them are actually really good, there's just a lot more filler than there was back in 2010.
Will be interesting to see how the new one is. Seems like they are trying to go back to basics. But you never know with this industry...
Splinter cell died at Conviction. It was struggling at Double agent.
What's wrong with Sam Fisher's lights on his goggles? When Sam switches to thermal vision, why does the 3rd person camera outside of his body change to thermal vision as well?