Really amazing. I’m very much hopeful that this young and much t gifted Trifonov reveals this great russian composer so inspired in Nietzches’ philosophy.
I'm amazed that Richter,Neuhaus and others find anything in this music ! Prometheus which Argerich filmed with Ashkenazy is important . Trifonov makes sense of the score but it remains sentimental,weak ephemeral music . 3rd Sonata is when Scriabin becomes worthwhile and the early preludes are certainly a new genius ! Koussevitsky and Scri played this music on a cruise that's what it sounds like wallpaper music for champagne listeners !
I am 68 years old and the first time I saw him perform as a 8 year old I knew instantaneously that he was born to greatness! Even the great Martha Agerich acknowledged that he was a genius! Personally I feel he is the next Rubenstein and Horowitz and he is still so young. What a brilliant performance of Srabian Piano Concerto he plays with such emotions and brilliance!
I really wish that I could perform this concerto with orchestra someday. It is one of the most BEAUTIFUL concertos in my opinion... Daniil does an amazing job with it!!
To Lisa Tahara : He performed this Concerto ( aswell one of my Favourites ) in his Album " Silver Age", and was winning the " Opus Classic" in 2019. Was broadcast on German TV. Greatings from Switzerland !
@@elegachiDong hyek Lim is not your everyday random korean. Though he did not win Chopin nor Tchaikovsky, he was laureates in both competitions (3rd place for both if I rmb correctly).
Unbelievably poignant. The slow movements of this and of the Kalinnikov Symphony No. 1 belong among the most beautiful, heartfelt moments in the classical repertoire, and yet unknown to mainstream classical audiences
It's actually kind of the opposite. Scriabin was considered to be widely known during his lifetime, and his influence was felt in other "more famous" composers like Rachmaninoff, but his popularity declined rapidly after his death, and his music only resurfaced in the 70s.
The answer your looking for is cost/profit - because a lot of concert halls will not play this music, they play the same concert pieces as it puts bums on seats to use a musicians terminology and of course that produces money. Russian music gets a poor go at the concert hall, so all the romantic period is over looked unless you mention the ones they normally play to death. Also again to do with the cost some scores have three instruments per part ie three flutes, three clarinets etc this means paying extra players just to play this music and unless they can use them for the entire evening paying for extra musicians is expensive. Scriabin symphonies are staggering and also Reinhold Glière symphonies, again unlikely to hear them in a concert hall.
My first time crying at a concert was when Trifonov played this with New York Phil in Nov 2019. First time hearing this concerto live too. Simply so beautiful and romantic. Trifonov knows how to communicate with music.
Le très beau et romantique concerto pour piano de Scriabine n'est pas très connu, ni très souvent joué, contrairement à ses études et ses sonates. Trifonov le met ainsi en valeur par spn jeu subtil et brillant.
Beautifully and sensitively played with just the right amount of freedom. The piano sounds a bit too soft in this recording but the bass is good. I am increasingly coming to think of this man as a new Rubinstein. He plays with such total ease. He is the best young genius I have heard in a long time. Good orchestral playing too.
qui ventiduenne ormai consacrato dalla vincita del Ciaikowsky e del Rubistein ci delizia con un suono ''liquido'' morbido a volte ''brillante e lucente'' un grande interprete e anche compositore...
Does anyone know where this performance took place and who was the wonderfully cooperative conductor? I think this is the most successful performance I've heard of this beautiful but problematic work. I especially like the way the piano part is woven into the orchestral fabric in this performance, rather than treated as a traditional, virtuoso vehicle for the soloist..
Hi! Just came across your comment; I’m curious to what you mean by problematic, could you please explain further? In which aspects would you describe this composition as so? Technicality and musicality?
도토오리 Because they wrote the music of their soul , in each note there is a small part of their soul and heart! It’s generally known about the wealth of the Russian soul ! The same about Russian pianists!
Sergey Garushyants It’s also always been what is popular in Russian music. Wouldn’t say that the Russians are better than anyone else at writing emotive music, just that it is the style of music distilled into almost all Russian musicians. The French enjoy a much more childlike and droozy romance in their music and the Germans of course are prone to music with oomf and a slightly more serious attitude towards structure and tone.
Que l'ont me pardonne, car ce commentaire est destiné à la version Deutsche Grammophon Trifonov / Gergiev. Malheureusement il n'est pas possible de lui apporter un commentaire. Cet enregistrement est de toute beauté par la prestation de Daniil que j'affectionne particulièrement. Cependant le bémol vient de l'orchestre qui prends le pas sur le pianiste. Gergiev n'est pas en phase avec Trifonov. Bien souvent il l'étouffe et le 3e mouvement en est la meilleure illustration. La fin de ce mouvement où le pianiste donne toute la puissance de son jeu, est anéanti par un orchestre qui lui vole ses dernières notes époustouflantes. Pourquoi les ingénieurs du son de D.G.,qui sont pourtant de grands professionnels, n'ont pas mixer cette distorsion pour laisser la vedette au pianiste. Je suis très triste pour Daniil car il joue ce concerto avec toute sa sensibilité et sa fougue. Certains critiques ne ménagent pas Gergiev. Je laisse ces messieurs libres de leurs mots. Je n'aurai qu'une dernière observation à l'encontre de D.G. Ces messieurs ont découpé l'andante en 5 ou 6 parties. L'enchaînement entre les variations est très aléatoire. Malgré tout je vais garder cette version car Daniil y est souverain. P. R.
Movement 2 is my favorite. Such a choral quality to the strings and suppleness when the piano enters with the clarinet solo. I always tear up ...then at 12:50 , I love how the bass drops and the piece turns dark, moody and very Chopin-like.
Este concierto aparecía en UA-cam, el vídeo completo donde se veía también el concierto #1 Rachmaninov, pero lo sacaron, a mí me gusta ver a los músicos y ver la expresión facial inspiradora de Daniil
Dank Daniil Trifonov habe ich mich in die Musik Scriabin's verliebt ! Er gehoert jetzt zu meinen liebsten Komponisten. Der wundervolle Daniil spielt mit so viel Hingabe, Liebe und Freude - nicht nur Scriabin, sondern jedes Musikstueck das er in sein Herz aufnimmt , und dies brilliant ! ❤
It definitely had some influence on Rachmaninoff's third, though I'd say that piece, espcially int he second movement, is even more tragic than this one.
@@agaphonus ,почему сразу женский? Мне понравилось исполнение, прекрасный пианист. Оркестр тоже необыкновенно хорошо играет. С юности нравится мне Скрябин.
Can they do chords with kettles? Those lower register chords seemed so clumsy and forceful . . . the ones in the 2nd movement. Use something that could've been like delicate sounds of thunder rather than a volcano in paradise.
It's easy to say that Trifonov does this concerto justice, with the devil's touch and extreme technical control. It's wonderful to see a blooming master (only at the age of 30) taking up such an underrated work!
Pity Scriabin didn’t write a cadenza for the 1st Movement to give a contrasting dramatic element to what is essentially a lyrical through- composed work.
A l'intention de Mr. Vladibaby 79. Je ne doute pas que votre commentaire soit intéressant, mais YoTube devrait penser aux personnes qui ne parlent pas Allemand. Peut être que Mr. Vladibaby ne parle pas Francais.? Dommage je ne saurai pas ce qu'a voulu nous dire ce monsieur. Je trouverai peut être un ami qui voudra bien me traduire ce texte. Amitiés à tous. P. R.
This pianist's decision comes in the (if I remember right) F major delicate bits in the 1st movement: stick strictly to tempo as written, or go with something else? He goes with something else. Something else is always available in Scriabin, but it's not free vagary. In the amazing C# pedal sequence at the end of the 1st movt the piano part is not fully visible in its elegance: but this is perhpas feature of the recording, and a choice that is always looming in Scriabin is: how to do justice to the sheer number of notes? Not so apparent here where a "piano hero" Ashkenazy approach, overpowering the orchestra is tempting and would work (Trifonov avoids it), but more with e.g. the 7th Sonata. No-one knows what to do with this, there is no right answer. Zhukov takes things slow and still can't make each phrase resound. There is a great joke "news" item in the UK Brass Eye series by Chris Morris about a drug called "Cake" which distorts the sensation of time. The drug in question is complete fiction, but in Scriabin it is real. The way Aleksandr Nikolayevich wrote (yes, even Op. 12 as well) suggests that both the player and the audience might somehow be able to wangle an unofficial side-deal with time under which everything unfolds as if as normal, but in violently varying paces, and under which everything must remain both clear and utterly intended. The practice-discipline to get Scriabin mastered (sorry: apologies - I have never _mastered_ one bit of Scriabin) is weird enough: according to this theory performers of Scriabin must not only carry the distortion of time they learned in the practice-room on stage but also develop it there and convince their audience of it. So with this in mind I admire Trifonov's 2nd movement as beautifully played but not nearly dwelling on the strange nearly enough. Let's get on to 3, which is fun... Preface: Trifonov seems to be a young, astoundingly good player. He's all over the technical fireworks of the 3rd movement. But the Scriabin Concerto is a divided vehicle anyway. It aims at transcending the mundane world of boring meat-people playing music for other boring meat-people to listen to. If your soul is not exploded by a performance of this concerto, you must be mere gross meat. Trouble is, this concerto attempts its work only with the musical tools of the _young_ Scriabin. Which puts a terrible pressure on to the performer. If the pianist doesn't upscend your meat to a higher form of energy, he or she must be shit. Or perhaps they're great but you're too mundane. But the dots on the page don't justify this. No-one can make the Scriabin Concerto what Scriabin wanted it to be. So it's hard to make it something it was never capable of being. (This is part of the fun of trying to play it). It will always sound like a young man's attempt at storming Heaven, and fall back into "piano-heroics". The piano sounds Scriabin writes are already capable of freezing blood, if blood were exposed to them, slowed down and resounding: but in this work they're drowned out by the orchestra. So it's impossible to make a proper judgment of Trifonov's playing of this piece, except the happy one that he nails it. Everything is there. It works. The piece is (I hate to say it) slight enough that this is all that matters. And (lucky bastard) he has all the technical tools to produce a truly strange performance of some of the more disturbing pieces: Sonatas 6,7,8. Where a UA-cam recording might not be enough and his presence, dedicated to making something happen, might be mindblowing. Bravo!
You are encouraging me to play the piano and praising my cleaning up the room, discarding unncessesary stuff . Throwing away is not enough though. Thank you very much for praising me.
Dieses Klavierkonzert, auch wenn nicht eines der allervirtuosesten, hält doch einige besonders schwer zu lösende Aufgaben für den Solisten bereit: 1. der Klavierklang muss fortwährend neu definiert und justiert werden, sowohl für die solistische Aussage an sich, als auch für das zusammenspiel mit dem Orchester. Die komplette Palette an Anschlagsarten und Klangfarben wird jederzeit gefordert, die Stimmungswechsel und Texturumstellungen sind plötzlich und extrem. Es passiert oft, dass wichtige pianistische Momente, die aus dem Orchesterklang heraus entspringen, total untergehen. Nicht so bei Trifonov. Seine Palette reicht von zart und verträumt bis wild und orgiastisch und steht ihm jederzeit von A bis Z zur Disposition. 2. tempo und rubato sind hier wahre Stolpersteine. Ist man zu sparsam bei den Tempowechseln und dem rubato, wirkt das Werk verwelkt. Ist man zu grosszügig, gibt eine Sauce mit Kaugummikonsistenz. Das perfekt Timing ist kaum zu treffen und misslingt meistens auf enttäuschende Weise. Nicht so bei Trifonov. Jede noch so kleine Phrase hat die genau richtige Dauer, Richtung und Atmung und ist von A bis Z gehaltvoll und mitempfunden. 3. während die vorherigen Punkte 1. und 2. bewältigt werden, muss der Pianist auch noch seine Rolle ständig neu definieren: manchmal spielt er begleitend, manchmal als Orchestermusiker, meistens als Solist, jedoch sind die Rollenwechsel fliessend und ebenso fliessend wechselt die Führung zwischen Solist und Dirigent. Eigentlich muss man den Dirigenten als Kammermusikpartner betrachten. Abgesehen davon dass die meisten Dirigenten in dieser Rolle fachlich zu unsicher sind, fehlt auch vielen Solisten diese Flexibilität. Und wenn sie mal dazu in der Lage sind, dann sind sie oft technisch nicht sicher genug und spielen wiederum zu vorsichtig. Das Werk klingt nicht lebendig, sondern wie auf dem Seziertisch. Nicht so bei Trifinov. Unter seinen Händen pulsiert das Werk in seiner ganzen Unberechenbarkeit, stets auf höchstem pianistischem Level und immer Hand in Hand mit dem hier sehr versierten Dirigenten. Wenige minimale Synchronisationsprobleme (die fast unvermeidbar sind) können fast unbemerkt bleiben und wenn schon, dann stören sie kaum. Wenn es sie nicht gäbe, dann könnte man vergessen, dass diese grossartige Leistung eine menschliche ist. Und das wäre dann Hybris. Nun leider, alles in allem betrachtet, ist man gezwungen den Trifonov auf eine Stufe mit dem legendären Neuhaus zu setzen. Und somit kann man Hybris doch nicht vermeiden...
Sehr guter Kommentar eines Fachmanns. Danke Ihnen sehr, da solche Beiträge rar sind. Nur diese ". Leider" am Schluss fordert mich heraus. Ist es nicht Wunder bar dass es diesen vielversprechenden jungen Pianisten gibt in unserer Lebenszeit ? Falls Sie meine Antwort lesen werden - 2019 hatte er das Album "Silver Age" mit Scriabin Werken unter Anderem herausgegeben. Ich persönlich bin hingerissen davon.Ihre Meinung dazu würde mich sehr interessieren .
@@elisabethbaumer-sn8go Danke für Ihre Antwort. Hmmm..., ich verstehe, dass die von mir verwendete Rhetorik Sie etwas irritiert hat, es war etwas umständlich formuliert und ich muss zugeben, dass dieses "leider" vom positiv gemeinten Kern meiner Aussage abgelenkt hat. Im Grunde ist es so gemeint: dieser junge Pianist hat eine Leistung erbracht, welche in die Fussstapfen von ganz grossen Vertretern der russischen Klavierkunst tritt. Gerade Neuhaus war ja eine Figur, die für die Russische Schule des Klavierspiels von enorm prägender Bedeutung war und speziell betreffend Skrjabin einmalige Standards gesetzt hat. Es ist immer ein (wenn auch positiv) erschreckender Moment, wenn da eine Vergleichbarkeit möglich wird zwischen einem jungen Künstler und einer Legende mit einem monumentalen Lebenswerk. Darum war die Rede von "Hybris", aber eigentlich ist es nicht wortwörtlich und auch nicht negativ gemeint. Es sollte nur betonen, wie ungewöhnlich diese Sachlage ist.
@@vladibaby79 es freut mich sehr, dass Sie sich die Zeit genommen haben, mir Ihre Ausdrucksweise überzeugend zu erklären. Bin glücklich damit. Meine eigenen Kommentare sind laienhaft, aber meine Sinne sind klar. So versuche ich meine Gefühle in Worte zu fassen. Bin aber immer dankbar für fachlich gute Kommentare wie dem Ihrigen. Wissen Sie, dass Daniil Trifonov im Dezember in Paris mit dem " Chevallier des Arts et Lettres" geehrt wurde für seine Contribution ( das deutsche Wort kommt mir nicht Inden Sinn) to the Music ? Das ist ,wie Sie sicherlich wissen, eine grosse Auszeichnung. Freundliche Grüße aus der Schweiz !
This concerto is not very typical of the pianistic style of his author at the time when it was written, nor of its orchestral style. Some predecessors like Chopin and Liszt have yet an influence that is much less marked in the purely piano scores. Nevertheless, this is a very beautiful and well written concerto, with a significant role of the orchestra, which deserves to get its room among the Russian concertos of that period. Those who would like a more "scriabinist" score for piano and orchestra can hear Promehteus ('the poem of fire,', op. 60). Here, the slow movement in particular is mervellous.
Overall this is lovely, and he's really beyond reproach as an artist, but the second movement theme and variations almost dry up and die with his indulgently languorous tempo. I'm also afraid his excessive "retards" before climaxes in the first and last movements are really a miscalculation that crush the passion Scriabin intends. Just my opinion.
Trif could have learned Gubaidulina concerto or Prok &5 instead he wasted time on this trash ! Good to record this ONLY if there are no performances then the libraries and archives will purchase but there are already too many recordings of this feeble music . Prometheus (see Argerich film of it:the only Scriabin Ive ever heard her in.3rd and 5th Sonatas would be wonderful with her but alas ...) and lives this music was stillborn I can't believe richter and Gilels and Neuhaus and many others have bothered to learn such sentimental weak stuff. I've heard this music countless times and still dont know where one mov ends and another begins. Worse the themes are forgotten as soon as stated .Finale is a sham ! Worthless. my 6 pf concerti are inestimably more valuable .
They probably learned this piece because they liked it. Because it has beautiful moments in it. What drives you to be so upset about people who enjoy this concerto? Listen to the stuff on the radio and tell me again that this music is trash. I love those wannabe music critics in the UA-cam comment sections hahaha PS: Can you send me a link to a recording of your own piano concertos? I'm truly interested about how they may sound :')
What a boring music! Nothing to compare to Rachmaninoff's exciting concertos, though brillantly played by Trifonov . Strangely the orchestra and conductor isn't mentioned....
@@jeanlucchapelon because it takes effort and experience to be able to appreciate Scriabin and during Scriabins lifetime he was very known in the circles of highly educated people and musicians but for the mass his music was too abstract... people know usually only the very "easy understandable" pieces and today its even worse when you look at pop music
![Scriabin - Piano Concerto in F sharp minor, op. 20 (Vladimir Ashkenazy/Maazel) [Complete]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ylSrzlphVq0/mqdefault.jpg)
A rapid of Romantic outpouring by a young genius played by a young genius.
Scriabin and Trifonov have something in common apart from being russian. Both are so underrated!
@@Marco-hu7no true
First movement : 0:01
Second movement : 8:25
Third movement 17:57
An excellent performance and recording by everyone involved.
Emocionant, maravellós, 👏👏👏👏👏👏❤️
This Concerto is so underrated!! Amazing piece of music!
.its almost unbearably touching and moving.
Really amazing. I’m very much hopeful that this young and much t
gifted Trifonov reveals this great russian composer so inspired in Nietzches’ philosophy.
I'm amazed that Richter,Neuhaus and others find anything in this music ! Prometheus which Argerich filmed with Ashkenazy is important . Trifonov makes sense of the score but it remains sentimental,weak ephemeral music . 3rd Sonata is when Scriabin becomes worthwhile and the early preludes are certainly a new genius ! Koussevitsky and Scri played this music on a cruise that's what it sounds like wallpaper music for champagne listeners !
I am 68 years old and the first time I saw him perform as a 8 year old I knew instantaneously that he was born to greatness! Even the great Martha Agerich acknowledged that he was a genius! Personally I feel he is the next Rubenstein and Horowitz and he is still so young. What a brilliant performance of Srabian Piano Concerto he plays with such emotions and brilliance!
daniil trifonov is 31 years old, how did you see him perform 62 years ago?
@@jizzmonster3669 please understand English. I said I was 68 when I saw him as a 8 year old perform. I know very well what the age of Daniil is!
Believe he has more the qualities of Lipatti also a composer...and Moiseiwitsch...all....Pisceans😅
@@anandsamuel1978 Aw, come on. Jizz was just injecting a little humor into the thread. Nothing to get wound up about.
@@anandsamuel1978you worded it weirdly to be fair
I really wish that I could perform this concerto with orchestra someday. It is one of the most BEAUTIFUL concertos in my opinion... Daniil does an amazing job with it!!
Fantàstic Daniil!!!!💕
Find Dong Hyek Lim. He did much greater playing
@@dianakimsg1707Yeah some random Korean played it better than a world class pianist if not the best pianist in the world 😂
To Lisa Tahara : He performed this Concerto ( aswell one of my Favourites ) in his Album " Silver Age", and was winning the " Opus Classic"
in 2019. Was broadcast
on German TV.
Greatings from Switzerland !
@@elegachiDong hyek Lim is not your everyday random korean. Though he did not win Chopin nor Tchaikovsky, he was laureates in both competitions (3rd place for both if I rmb correctly).
Daniil is The Musician that can play slow and with a natural tempo. He never plays the virtuoso but always plays the MUSIC.
Unbelievably poignant. The slow movements of this and of the Kalinnikov Symphony No. 1 belong among the most beautiful, heartfelt moments in the classical repertoire, and yet unknown to mainstream classical audiences
That's "earliest Skryabin''!.. But... who is the conductor& Orchestra?!
and will remain unknown if people have sense !
8:24 Everyone should hear this opening to the slow movement, so beautiful it brings tears to your eyes!
Indeed
Played this concerto for my second exam at conservertory. Wish one day I can play it with a real orchestra.
Grande delicatezza, grande sensibilità di Trifonov, meravigliosa simbiosi fra pianoforte e orchestra, necessaria in questo concerto.
8:42 sec mvmt
17:56 third mvmt (holy fuck)
Extraordinary . Out of this world.
My personal favorite piano concerto
You’ve really good taste.
Belo Concerto, com o melhor pianista de sua geração 👏👏👏
Incredibly passionate... How is this piece so unknown??
dunno....its staggeringly beautiful.
Like Van Gogh who's genius went unnoticed for quite a while. Hopefully this stunning performance by Trifonov will wake the music world up.
It's actually kind of the opposite. Scriabin was considered to be widely known during his lifetime, and his influence was felt in other "more famous" composers like Rachmaninoff, but his popularity declined rapidly after his death, and his music only resurfaced in the 70s.
@@potato4143 i thought he was only started to get well known late in life, interupted by his death.
The answer your looking for is cost/profit - because a lot of concert halls will not play this music, they play the same concert pieces as it puts bums on seats to use a musicians terminology and of course that produces money. Russian music gets a poor go at the concert hall, so all the romantic period is over looked unless you mention the ones they normally play to death. Also again to do with the cost some scores have three instruments per part ie three flutes, three clarinets etc this means paying extra players just to play this music and unless they can use them for the entire evening paying for extra musicians is expensive. Scriabin symphonies are staggering and also
Reinhold Glière symphonies, again unlikely to hear them in a concert hall.
My first time crying at a concert was when Trifonov played this with New York Phil in Nov 2019. First time hearing this concerto live too. Simply so beautiful and romantic. Trifonov knows how to communicate with music.
Le très beau et romantique concerto pour piano de Scriabine n'est pas très connu, ni très souvent joué, contrairement à ses études et ses sonates. Trifonov le met ainsi en valeur par spn jeu subtil et brillant.
Divine. I love how they take time with the music. The melodies still flow even as the tempo gets faster.
Beautifully and sensitively played with just the right amount of freedom. The piano sounds a bit too soft in this recording but the bass is good. I am increasingly coming to think of this man as a new Rubinstein. He plays with such total ease. He is the best young genius I have heard in a long time. Good orchestral playing too.
He is amazing! And this recording is already close to 6 years old. He was only 22 in this recording!!
this concerto is almost unbearably touching and moving...but i love it so !
Brilliant ❤❤both,composer and pianist ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
Cuantos colores y argumentos hay en la musica de Scriabin. Deberiamos elevarlo todo lo que podamos pára que sea mas escuchado.!!
👍👍👏👏👏👏💕
A great piece of 'romantic' music, and a superb performance.Reminds me of the 2nd movement of the Ravel Piano Concerto?
Maravilloso concierto, extraordinario intérprete.
Trifonov... 💞
Abhik Mazumder Daniil Trifonov❤️❤️
qui ventiduenne ormai consacrato dalla vincita del Ciaikowsky e del Rubistein ci delizia con un suono ''liquido'' morbido a volte ''brillante e lucente'' un grande interprete e anche compositore...
Does anyone know where this performance took place and who was the wonderfully cooperative conductor? I think this is the most successful performance I've heard of this beautiful but problematic work. I especially like the way the piano part is woven into the orchestral fabric in this performance, rather than treated as a traditional, virtuoso vehicle for the soloist..
Hi! Just came across your comment; I’m curious to what you mean by problematic, could you please explain further? In which aspects would you describe this composition as so? Technicality and musicality?
Obligater Frack, rücksichtslos hustendes und geräuschvolles Publikum wie sonst nirgends - es muss die Carnegie Hall sein !
why russian composers are so good at piano concerto
dunno....Russian soul and depth ?.
@@englandshope689 I can't stop to love russian composers
Because they knew how to play it 😉
One of the greatest piano concertos ever written. Unfortunately Scriabin died much too young.
도토오리 Because they wrote the music of their soul , in each note there is a small part of their soul and heart! It’s generally known about the wealth of the Russian soul ! The same about Russian pianists!
Sergey Garushyants It’s also always been what is popular in Russian music. Wouldn’t say that the Russians are better than anyone else at writing emotive music, just that it is the style of music distilled into almost all Russian musicians. The French enjoy a much more childlike and droozy romance in their music and the Germans of course are prone to music with oomf and a slightly more serious attitude towards structure and tone.
Que l'ont me pardonne, car ce commentaire est destiné à la version Deutsche Grammophon Trifonov / Gergiev. Malheureusement il n'est pas possible de lui apporter un commentaire. Cet enregistrement est de toute beauté par la prestation de Daniil que j'affectionne particulièrement.
Cependant le bémol vient de l'orchestre qui prends le pas sur le pianiste. Gergiev n'est pas en phase avec Trifonov. Bien souvent il l'étouffe et le 3e mouvement en est la meilleure illustration. La fin de ce mouvement où le pianiste donne toute la puissance de son jeu, est anéanti par un orchestre qui lui vole ses dernières notes époustouflantes. Pourquoi les ingénieurs du son de D.G.,qui sont pourtant de grands professionnels, n'ont pas mixer cette distorsion pour laisser la vedette au pianiste. Je suis très triste pour Daniil car il joue ce concerto avec toute sa sensibilité et sa fougue. Certains critiques ne ménagent pas Gergiev. Je laisse ces messieurs libres de leurs mots. Je n'aurai qu'une dernière observation à l'encontre de D.G. Ces messieurs ont découpé l'andante en 5 ou 6 parties. L'enchaînement entre les variations est très aléatoire. Malgré tout je vais garder cette version car Daniil y est souverain. P. R.
Movement 2 is my favorite. Such a choral quality to the strings and suppleness when the piano enters with the clarinet solo. I always tear up ...then at 12:50 , I love how the bass drops and the piece turns dark, moody and very Chopin-like.
Thank you very much for this video. Mr. Trifonov your performance is so glorious, thank you. 🌷(Netherlands)
Прекрасная музыка, прекрасное исполнение! Спасибо за видео, не удаляйте🙏🙏 он просто большой молодец
Да, очень красиво звучит. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹💐💐💐💐💐💐💐
He's Singing on the Piano! The Best...after Henrich Neuhaus!🌎
😮 24:50 🎉
I'm bs0
Mm😅
So Fantastically beautiful….
Underrated masterpiece.
Absolutely gorgeous.
Este concierto aparecía en UA-cam, el vídeo completo donde se veía también el concierto #1 Rachmaninov, pero lo sacaron, a mí me gusta ver a los músicos y ver la expresión facial inspiradora de Daniil
RINA CRAVERO Estoy de acuerdo ver las manos de Daniil como se deslizan en el teclado, es fantastico
@@mariateresaculibuj7634 es verdad, fantástico, espectacular!!!💖
Quel beau concerto !
Dank Daniil Trifonov habe ich mich in die Musik Scriabin's verliebt ! Er gehoert jetzt zu meinen liebsten Komponisten.
Der wundervolle Daniil spielt mit so viel Hingabe, Liebe und Freude - nicht nur Scriabin, sondern jedes
Musikstueck das er in sein Herz aufnimmt , und dies brilliant ! ❤
Maravellós !!!!👏👏👏💕
This is so wonderful!
Que musica tan preciosa! y cuán maravillosamente la ejecuta Trifonov, el mejor pianista de su generacion, anterior fue Claudio Arrau.
RINA CRAVERO Fantàstic!!👏👏💕
Cada nota tè vida pròpia .... una cascada de sensibilitat.... Fantástic el concert i el intèrpret.
Xavier Lluis Goicoechea Calvet Totalment d'acord, Daniil Trifonov enamora ❤️
quel pianiste, je suis vraiment fan
A feeling of comforting human sorrow and suffering thrown into the vast universe. It is sadder than Rachmaninov.
it is sadder....its almost unbearably touching and moving.
with a comment like that, I have to listen to this piece because I adore rachmaninoff
I don’ find it sad but monumentally painful with some passions joyful and others like cry. The second movement is like a demand, a request for...
It definitely had some influence on Rachmaninoff's third, though I'd say that piece, espcially int he second movement, is even more tragic than this one.
23:28 did the percussionist just miss his queue?
No, I think it was meant to be there
Just Fab ! So romantic... ♥️
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Ничего более чувственного,чем Скрябин.
@@agaphonus ,почему сразу женский? Мне понравилось исполнение, прекрасный пианист. Оркестр тоже необыкновенно хорошо играет. С юности нравится мне Скрябин.
@@agaphonus ,извините, что вмешалась в Ваш диалог.
1st mvt: 0:00
2nd mvt: 8:20
3rd mvt: 17:55
19:26 is the time stamp you're looking for 🌝
Semplicemente Stupendo! Grazie per averlo pubblicato
Mas romantico y profundo no puede ser!!!
jorge garzaelli Impresionant!! El corazon late fuertemente!
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bravissimo!!!
Consummate Artistry. Thank you sharing this. His playing is hypnotic and mesmerizing.
Neat how when you like someone and they keep introducing more and more goodness that you never knew existed before.
Can they do chords with kettles? Those lower register chords seemed so clumsy and forceful . . . the ones in the 2nd movement. Use something that could've been like delicate sounds of thunder rather than a volcano in paradise.
It's easy to say that Trifonov does this concerto justice, with the devil's touch and extreme technical control. It's wonderful to see a blooming master (only at the age of 30) taking up such an underrated work!
s,v,p the name of the orchestra and the conductor!
Oui, c'est vraiment dommage de balancer des vidéos comme ça sans les renseignements minimaux...
I think it was Valery Gergiev. Tooke certainly Place in Russia. Daniil was at this Time 22 Years.
Pity Scriabin didn’t write a cadenza for the 1st Movement to give a contrasting dramatic element to what is essentially a lyrical through- composed work.
Кто дирижирует и каким оркестром?
Interpretazione insignificante.Ascoltate piuttosto Neuhaus e Dubrowski,insuperbili.
What's the Conductor's name & Orchestra, too?!
genial composição
A l'intention de Mr. Vladibaby 79. Je ne doute pas que votre commentaire soit intéressant, mais YoTube devrait penser aux personnes qui ne parlent pas Allemand. Peut être que Mr. Vladibaby ne parle pas Francais.? Dommage je ne saurai pas ce qu'a voulu nous dire ce monsieur. Je trouverai peut être un ami qui voudra bien me traduire ce texte. Amitiés à tous. P. R.
MOLTO BELLO
22:40
This pianist's decision comes in the (if I remember right) F major delicate bits in the 1st movement: stick strictly to tempo as written, or go with something else? He goes with something else. Something else is always available in Scriabin, but it's not free vagary. In the amazing C# pedal sequence at the end of the 1st movt the piano part is not fully visible in its elegance: but this is perhpas feature of the recording, and a choice that is always looming in Scriabin is: how to do justice to the sheer number of notes? Not so apparent here where a "piano hero" Ashkenazy approach, overpowering the orchestra is tempting and would work (Trifonov avoids it), but more with e.g. the 7th Sonata. No-one knows what to do with this, there is no right answer. Zhukov takes things slow and still can't make each phrase resound.
There is a great joke "news" item in the UK Brass Eye series by Chris Morris about a drug called "Cake" which distorts the sensation of time. The drug in question is complete fiction, but in Scriabin it is real. The way Aleksandr Nikolayevich wrote (yes, even Op. 12 as well) suggests that both the player and the audience might somehow be able to wangle an unofficial side-deal with time under which everything unfolds as if as normal, but in violently varying paces, and under which everything must remain both clear and utterly intended. The practice-discipline to get Scriabin mastered (sorry: apologies - I have never _mastered_ one bit of Scriabin) is weird enough: according to this theory performers of Scriabin must not only carry the distortion of time they learned in the practice-room on stage but also develop it there and convince their audience of it.
So with this in mind I admire Trifonov's 2nd movement as beautifully played but not nearly dwelling on the strange nearly enough. Let's get on to 3, which is fun...
Preface: Trifonov seems to be a young, astoundingly good player. He's all over the technical fireworks of the 3rd movement. But the Scriabin Concerto is a divided vehicle anyway. It aims at transcending the mundane world of boring meat-people playing music for other boring meat-people to listen to. If your soul is not exploded by a performance of this concerto, you must be mere gross meat. Trouble is, this concerto attempts its work only with the musical tools of the _young_ Scriabin. Which puts a terrible pressure on to the performer. If the pianist doesn't upscend your meat to a higher form of energy, he or she must be shit. Or perhaps they're great but you're too mundane.
But the dots on the page don't justify this. No-one can make the Scriabin Concerto what Scriabin wanted it to be. So it's hard to make it something it was never capable of being. (This is part of the fun of trying to play it). It will always sound like a young man's attempt at storming Heaven, and fall back into "piano-heroics". The piano sounds Scriabin writes are already capable of freezing blood, if blood were exposed to them, slowed down and resounding: but in this work they're drowned out by the orchestra.
So it's impossible to make a proper judgment of Trifonov's playing of this piece, except the happy one that he nails it. Everything is there. It works. The piece is (I hate to say it) slight enough that this is all that matters. And (lucky bastard) he has all the technical tools to produce a truly strange performance of some of the more disturbing pieces: Sonatas 6,7,8. Where a UA-cam recording might not be enough and his presence, dedicated to making something happen, might be mindblowing.
Bravo!
He beats the meat.
Truly
Grandiose !!!
FANTASTIC
You are encouraging me to play the piano and praising my cleaning up the room, discarding unncessesary stuff . Throwing away is not enough though. Thank you very much for praising me.
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1:20 5:00 7:40 10:50 14:50 15:50 17:56
wow, just wow 22:37
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good
It's a more moving piece than Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto.
I disagree , but both are masterpieces
Its not tho you've just not listened to this as many times as you have rach 2
Wich orchestra is it ?
The great Josef Hofman played the 2nd movement sans orchestra...😊
Dieses Klavierkonzert, auch wenn nicht eines der allervirtuosesten, hält doch einige besonders schwer zu lösende Aufgaben für den Solisten bereit:
1. der Klavierklang muss fortwährend neu definiert und justiert werden, sowohl für die solistische Aussage an sich, als auch für das zusammenspiel mit dem Orchester. Die komplette Palette an Anschlagsarten und Klangfarben wird jederzeit gefordert, die Stimmungswechsel und Texturumstellungen sind plötzlich und extrem. Es passiert oft, dass wichtige pianistische Momente, die aus dem Orchesterklang heraus entspringen, total untergehen. Nicht so bei Trifonov. Seine Palette reicht von zart und verträumt bis wild und orgiastisch und steht ihm jederzeit von A bis Z zur Disposition.
2. tempo und rubato sind hier wahre Stolpersteine. Ist man zu sparsam bei den Tempowechseln und dem rubato, wirkt das Werk verwelkt. Ist man zu grosszügig, gibt eine Sauce mit Kaugummikonsistenz. Das perfekt Timing ist kaum zu treffen und misslingt meistens auf enttäuschende Weise. Nicht so bei Trifonov. Jede noch so kleine Phrase hat die genau richtige Dauer, Richtung und Atmung und ist von A bis Z gehaltvoll und mitempfunden.
3. während die vorherigen Punkte 1. und 2. bewältigt werden, muss der Pianist auch noch seine Rolle ständig neu definieren: manchmal spielt er begleitend, manchmal als Orchestermusiker, meistens als Solist, jedoch sind die Rollenwechsel fliessend und ebenso fliessend wechselt die Führung zwischen Solist und Dirigent. Eigentlich muss man den Dirigenten als Kammermusikpartner betrachten. Abgesehen davon dass die meisten Dirigenten in dieser Rolle fachlich zu unsicher sind, fehlt auch vielen Solisten diese Flexibilität. Und wenn sie mal dazu in der Lage sind, dann sind sie oft technisch nicht sicher genug und spielen wiederum zu vorsichtig. Das Werk klingt nicht lebendig, sondern wie auf dem Seziertisch. Nicht so bei Trifinov. Unter seinen Händen pulsiert das Werk in seiner ganzen Unberechenbarkeit, stets auf höchstem pianistischem Level und immer Hand in Hand mit dem hier sehr versierten Dirigenten. Wenige minimale Synchronisationsprobleme (die fast unvermeidbar sind) können fast unbemerkt bleiben und wenn schon, dann stören sie kaum. Wenn es sie nicht gäbe, dann könnte man vergessen, dass diese grossartige Leistung eine menschliche ist. Und das wäre dann Hybris.
Nun leider, alles in allem betrachtet, ist man gezwungen den Trifonov auf eine Stufe mit dem legendären Neuhaus zu setzen. Und somit kann man Hybris doch nicht vermeiden...
Sehr guter Kommentar eines Fachmanns. Danke Ihnen sehr, da solche Beiträge rar sind.
Nur diese ". Leider" am Schluss fordert mich heraus. Ist es nicht Wunder bar dass es diesen vielversprechenden jungen Pianisten gibt in unserer Lebenszeit ? Falls Sie meine Antwort lesen werden - 2019 hatte er das Album "Silver Age" mit Scriabin Werken unter Anderem herausgegeben.
Ich persönlich bin hingerissen davon.Ihre Meinung dazu würde mich sehr interessieren .
@@elisabethbaumer-sn8go Danke für Ihre Antwort. Hmmm..., ich verstehe, dass die von mir verwendete Rhetorik Sie etwas irritiert hat, es war etwas umständlich formuliert und ich muss zugeben, dass dieses "leider" vom positiv gemeinten Kern meiner Aussage abgelenkt hat. Im Grunde ist es so gemeint: dieser junge Pianist hat eine Leistung erbracht, welche in die Fussstapfen von ganz grossen Vertretern der russischen Klavierkunst tritt. Gerade Neuhaus war ja eine Figur, die für die Russische Schule des Klavierspiels von enorm prägender Bedeutung war und speziell betreffend Skrjabin einmalige Standards gesetzt hat. Es ist immer ein (wenn auch positiv) erschreckender Moment, wenn da eine Vergleichbarkeit möglich wird zwischen einem jungen Künstler und einer Legende mit einem monumentalen Lebenswerk. Darum war die Rede von "Hybris", aber eigentlich ist es nicht wortwörtlich und auch nicht negativ gemeint. Es sollte nur betonen, wie ungewöhnlich diese Sachlage ist.
@@vladibaby79 es freut mich sehr, dass Sie sich die Zeit genommen haben, mir Ihre Ausdrucksweise überzeugend zu erklären. Bin glücklich damit.
Meine eigenen Kommentare sind laienhaft, aber meine Sinne sind klar. So versuche ich meine Gefühle in Worte zu fassen. Bin aber immer dankbar für fachlich gute Kommentare wie dem Ihrigen.
Wissen Sie, dass Daniil Trifonov im Dezember in Paris mit dem " Chevallier des Arts et Lettres" geehrt wurde für seine Contribution ( das deutsche Wort kommt mir nicht Inden Sinn) to the Music ? Das ist ,wie Sie sicherlich wissen, eine grosse Auszeichnung.
Freundliche Grüße aus der Schweiz !
This concerto is not very typical of the pianistic style of his author at the time when it was written, nor of its orchestral style. Some predecessors like Chopin and Liszt have yet an influence that is much less marked in the purely piano scores. Nevertheless, this is a very beautiful and well written concerto, with a significant role of the orchestra, which deserves to get its room among the Russian concertos of that period. Those who would like a more "scriabinist" score for piano and orchestra can hear Promehteus ('the poem of fire,', op. 60). Here, the slow movement in particular is mervellous.
just imagining what his piano concertos would sound like thinking about his late style gives me goosebumps
@@johnnauman347 how mean
this concerto is almost unbearably touching and moving...but i love it so !
What key is it in?
F# Major
F # Major
@@lisameignin8888 it’s actually F sharp minor :)
Hvkooo
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22:15
That's it.
8:24
15:00
8:23 - mov 2
Heaven
Wunderbar!
P.S.The 'dreamy' bits only!!!
Some chords sound weird in this version. I don't know why...
maybe its u...
The best (for me) is the performance from paul Badura Skoda ( RIP)
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Trifonov is a marvellous pianis, but this interpretation is not as amazing as Maestro Ashkenazy.Too slow, too much.In my humble opinion.
Overall this is lovely, and he's really beyond reproach as an artist, but the second movement theme and variations almost dry up and die with his indulgently languorous tempo. I'm also afraid his excessive "retards" before climaxes in the first and last movements are really a miscalculation that crush the passion Scriabin intends. Just my opinion.
Uh it' s called rubato
Daniil is the Musician that can play slow and with a natural tempo. Hi never plays the virtuoso but always plays the MUSIC.
Excessive retards
Trif could have learned Gubaidulina concerto or Prok &5 instead he wasted time on this trash ! Good to record this ONLY if there are no performances then the libraries and archives will purchase but there are already too many recordings of this feeble music . Prometheus (see Argerich film of it:the only Scriabin Ive ever heard her in.3rd and 5th Sonatas would be wonderful with her but alas ...) and lives this music was stillborn I can't believe richter and Gilels and Neuhaus and many others have bothered to learn such sentimental weak stuff. I've heard this music countless times and still dont know where one mov ends and another begins. Worse the themes are forgotten as soon as stated .Finale is a sham ! Worthless. my 6 pf concerti are inestimably more valuable .
They probably learned this piece because they liked it. Because it has beautiful moments in it. What drives you to be so upset about people who enjoy this concerto? Listen to the stuff on the radio and tell me again that this music is trash. I love those wannabe music critics in the UA-cam comment sections hahaha
PS: Can you send me a link to a recording of your own piano concertos? I'm truly interested about how they may sound :')
Gubaidulina Conc Hahhahahahahahahahaah TRASH Go and was the wax out your ears fake profile
Absolut Nonsens Comment !
What a boring music! Nothing to compare to Rachmaninoff's exciting concertos, though brillantly played by Trifonov . Strangely the orchestra and conductor isn't mentioned....
It requires that you have a minimum of musical sensibility.
good pianist -bad concerto
WTF?
So underated concerto!!
SCRIABINE a GENIUS (why people don't know him??)
@@jeanlucchapelon because it takes effort and experience to be able to appreciate Scriabin and during Scriabins lifetime he was very known in the circles of highly educated people and musicians but for the mass his music was too abstract... people know usually only the very "easy understandable" pieces and today its even worse when you look at pop music
NOT a bad concerto. How dare you? Scriabin wrote a beauty.
Wouldn't be surprised if your next interesting move was to go and stand in front of the Mona Lisa for people.
thanks for video and thanks for open me to this concert ... awesome !