Corn Planting with White Farm Equipment
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Plant 2020 is under way on my farm. The White 6125 pulls the White 6606 planter to put some no-till corn in the ground. The Oliver 1550 is running the fertilizer wagon, which is on an Oliver running gear.
If only all things in life were so simple and straight forward as a White air planter! Thank you Harry Deckler. Creative productivity at its best.
Really good video, lots of varied close up camera angles really do a good job of showing the equipment at work. Thanks
Thanks 👍
Just the explanation of how the planter works, and watching it in action, makes this video worth watching more than once.
Very intricate machine that was simply explained and demonstrated. Very educational for a city boy.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great tutorial! I appreciate your videos... long live older tractors and equipment.
As a certified AND ordained UA-cam farmer, I think you are doing everything just right! Keep up the great work and most enjoyable videos!
We had a very dry Spring in Lower Saxony. The Farmers finished planting corn under these conditions and one Day lauter at the 28. April it started raining, just in time. I am happy to see that you got better conditions. Greetings from Lower Saxony in the north of old Germany. 🙂
Hey Chris , glad to see you got a good start on getting corn in the ground. Thanks for going over your planter and explaining how a air planter works. I honestly was not 100% sure until you explained and showed it. I am very behind on videos trying to get caught up.
Last week went well and I finished corn on Thursday. I'm getting a start on soybeans, but with the frigid weather, I haven't been hitting it too hard.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris that's good how many acres of corn did you put in? It's been cold here to freeze warnings the past 2 or 3 night's and the ground is still cold. I hope to get some stuff in the ground by next week.
Looks like a very efficient rig. Who says you have to have all the latest and greatest gadgets to plant with. Your planter has little to no electronics and I'll bet you get a good uniform stand. Make sure your wavy coulter don't go deeper than you opening disc. Keep us posted on the stand.
Great video Chris, love your explanation on how the planter operates
Been watching organic dairyman ever since you recommended them like 6 months ago or whenever. Both you have great content. I'm sure your family sold tons of Oliver's etc to most of the farms in my county. I knew a farmer named Leo Chick and he some of that green and even some white. He was one of a kind.
I knew Leo! We worked on his equipment after Platt's in Mason closed.
Man your equipment looks great! I tip my hat to you for taking care of it. Good to see the old stuff still plugging away
Thanks for the explanation on how your planter works, I have never seen a White planter in action before. It is so easy to find John Deere planting equipment around here that is why we bought our new grain drill. I think the GP's are a nice drill but it is hard to find a good used one in our area. No little Debbie's or Pringles in your cab Lol!
No snacks, but I might have been watching youtube while farming. Better check out 28:47 ....
I was watching this while I was eating supper last night, I think I got up to get something right at that time so I miss that part go figure!
My family farms 4500 acres in southern michigan. We run a newer kinze 3500 central fill 16 row 20 inch spacing soybean planter. We use older machines but we still get work done. Your planter isn't that different than mine besides we have central fill GPS and hydraulic down force but the concept is the same . Nothing wrong with older equipment. I prefer johndeere but we have case newholland and alischalmers machines. I started out with agco machines. I'm only 26 years old but we farmed 500 acres with a 15 foot drill and a gleaner f combine . I enjoy watching your videos because you run older equipment and you know your agco machines well. Smaller machines are simplified and I still enjoy runing the old machines. Nice video stay safe and farm on my friends !
I like watching your channel a lot of these younger kids complain if autosteer doesn't work. They will sit in the yard playing with the computer instead of even putting out dry fertilizer. We still do it the old way our fields are all over the place it would probably not even work even if we had it but I like the old way either way great job
We used to run an agco Allis 9815 on our 3x4 Hesston baler and I loved the power shift
Hello Chris,
Thank you for taking time and explaining your equipment. Very nice camera work. I get excited when I see you posted a new video. I hit the like button before I ever watch knowing your content/quality.
Thanks again to you and all farmers for keeping the world feed. I hope your 2020 season is great.
God's blessings to you and yours, Boe
Nice shots of the seed dropping! Your very good with camera positions.
Thanks. That one I had to learn how to use my editing software to zoom in to where the seeds were dropping.
Nice setup and video, love the white sliding box covers and the fertilizer cross auger.
Believe it or not, this is the 3rd planter that fertilizer auger has been on. It started on our first 5100 in the early 80s, then we got a new 5100 in the early 90s and moved it to that. When I sold that planter I figured I'd get a new cross auger, but the buyer didn't want this one, so I mounted it on the 6600.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Looks like it's done fine by you
We used a White planter. Using air pressure rather than a vacuum was a stroke of genius. We were on 36 inch corn rows with a second row of planters on the skip rows for beans. You could calibrate your ruler on how accurate the seeds were placed. Easier to keep air pressure than a vacuum. And easier to find air leaks.
Nice video awesome camera shots like the store be home the planter the best one was showing the seed drop that was pretty cool we owned Oliver and who equipment and always had good success we figured we got more than our money worth a well built piece of equipment at afair price
Thanks 👍 I had to learn how to use my editing software to get it to zoom in on the seed drop like that.
Really liked all the camera angles on planter. Been working on our 6100 all week, hopefully rain stops and we can get started next week.
The long range forecast for us is looking favorable, hopefully it is for you too.
Could you please do an equipment tour and show us all your tractors?!! Love the machines you run!!
Enjoyed this video bro it made for good viewing. Stay safe
I have a 5100, basically same planter just a little older, I would put yours or mine up against any of the precision crap out there with ours, wonder why they don't offer much for a white planter! Because they don't need it!! There simple, accurate and easy to setup! Thanks for the video! O, I like it to you don't have a cab full of gadgets to watch either! Old school!
Great video. Thanks for explaining how things work. Really enjoy your videos.
My opinion there great planters, I have a 6100 series and I love it very simple very efficient, Often get compliment on how good my corn looks from guys with newer Deere planters. I really like the air pressure on the plates. Brother inlaw has a caseih vacuum planter and plants no till, vacuum sucks trash into the plates and causes premature plate wear. He wanted a White planter but couldn't find one with center fill and 16 31.
If there is any testament to the design of the White planter, a neighbor with a very rough looking and abused 5100 rolled it out of some dark corner and it still made a picket fence kind of stand of corn.
Nice setup Chris!! Don't need all that fancy electronics!!
Thanks for the video 😎👍
Nope. I can harvest crooked rows with the best of them!!! Lol
@@ThatOliverGuyChris combine has CPS, not GPS👍
LOL CPS... Child Protective Services? Can't Pick Straight? Corn Potatoes and Soybeans? LOL
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Chris Positioning System 👍😁😎
That's a very nice video on corn planting. I dont grow corn so have never been around them. It always makes me smile whenever I hear John Deere copied a design. Just seems it's not a good idea til there's green paint on it lol.
I don't think I've ever seen a green White. and that 6125 is pretty fancy.
Those whites are nice tractors iv only seen one up in ny at the micfadens tractor bone ward they have masinmve ones were the big v8 stuck out over the front wheels like 5 feet masive tractors and they have a few of them all scraped for parts siting in bone yard so if u need parts mickfatens in ny has bone yard full of all tractors
Thanks for sharing!!
That 5-6 shift reminds me of my 6175. Damn thing nearly stopped then shifted hard. I complained to Cards, they came down and adjusted it so it didn't knock your hat off. I liked to plant in 7th, idled back to about 6 mph. Man, that camera on the back, sounds worse than my old Spiecher ditchin' machine!! LOL!! Those shots under the planter, are scary!! LOL!!
I like to run at 1800 rpm in tenth gear. The 9-10 and 10-9 shift can be a little jerky at times, other times it's like any other gear change.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris you know, I may have forgotten which shift it was!! LOL!! Were you surprised at the amount of noise the planter makes??
Yes I was. The microphone on the Gopro does a good job as well, but my first thought was... I can hear every rock in that field.
Nice set up!
Thanks!
Saw you planting on North Parma Rd yesterday.
Great video, enjoy planting...and you've been holding out on us, I spied a 2255 I think in the shed!
I have been holding out, but the 2255 isn't one of them. It's in a couple of videos, including my most viewed one.
I guess I've missed it , I'll have to go back and look now, thanks.
@@morgan398 his video of the 2255 is great go and see.
looks like tractor line up could use a splash of new rubber on the wheels, great auction video.
I do need to find a new set of duals. These still help, I went through a wet spot and was starting to lose traction, but they kept me from sinking. I just made it through.
Nice planter mate
Thanks!
G'day Chris
Hello Murphy! Looks like you're first!
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Looking good Chris! I'm not all that familiar with the 6125, but I'll be darned if it doesn't sound like it has a 6BT Cummins in it! Cheers!
That's exactly what is under the hood. Good ear!
The Only reason I stick with Kinze Finger planters is cause Case and White and now Fendt are all using some version of the Precision which I had one planter with Precision and it was a joke and we spent major $$ every year rebuilding the planter units to keep it around was costly. Agco is offering me a Fendt Momentum Planter to try next year so we will see how it goes
We haven’t been able to get in the fields at all we have been pummeled whith rain it’s like last spring all over again
Nice
Ya Know you put rocks that close together they will breed more rocks!
The 6125 was shifting really hard but after it got warmed up seemed smoother.
Oil temp definitely makes a difference in shifting on it.
Nice video I'm from Brazil
Cool
That looks like a CBT in your profile picture.
Very cool....
now this is my kinda farmer,, no auto steer, like all the rest
Mr. Losey could you explain the hydra power transmission and also the over under system on Oliver tractors. I have looked on the internet and cannot find a detailed explanation on these systems and how they work. Also were they reliable transmissions. Might make for a popular video. I would greatly appreciate the information. I live in Kentucky and there are no Oliver's around when I grew up so I don't know a whole lot about them. I got to drive an Oliver 77 a few years ago. My cousin was in Missouri and his elderly neighbor lady had one. I got to plow with it and also disc a garden for them. It was a nice tractor. Thanks for the information if you could provide it sometime.
I've been wanting to make a video on repairing each, but the opportunity hasn't risen yet. Someday it will, but in the meantime... The hydra-power came first. It is a 2 speed shift on the go auxiliary transmission that is self contained and fits between the main clutch and the transmission. You would put your main transmission in gear, and the hydra power could be shifted at any time, essentially doubling the number of speeds the tractor had. The slower speed was Hydra power, it used a one way clutch known as a sprag clutch to engage a gear reduction on the lower shaft of the unit. Because it was a one way clutch, the tractor can speed up going down hill. In Direct drive, a clutch pack is engaged that locks the input shaft to the output shaft, and you get a speed increase. It's like there is just a straight shaft going from the clutch to the transmission. The shaft with the sprag clutch spins faster and so that clutch releases because it's like it is going down a hill, it always freewheels if the output side is turning faster than the input side.
The over/under is similar, but has 3 speeds instead of 2. It was designed to fit in the same space as the hydra power, and is self contained as well. Direct drive works the same way in both units, and under drive has the same function, although its location inside is different. Overdrive uses a planetary gear set to speed the output up by about 20%. The over/under gives you 3 shift on the go speeds in each gear of the main transmission, making for 18 forward and 6 reverse speeds on an Oliver or White tractor.
Hope that helps
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks Mr Losey. You are the only person who has ever been able to explain how the Oliver's work. I am a John Deere man, but at farm shows I was always interested in Oliver's. They look like well made tractors. I wish we had some here in Kentucky. Just Fords, Internationals, John Deere's and a few Fergusons. I am in what used to be tobacco country and most Oliver's seem too large to do row crop tobacco farming. Thanks again for the information about the Oliver transmissions.
Thanks for the cav ride. We had a custom guy plant corn before we got our planter. He had a White 6 row(I think his was a 6100 that he had a splitter unit for it) that he pulled with a 100hp Massey even in notill. We now have a 4 row 7000jd finger planter(precision meter upgrades) pulled by a David Brown 990. A little puttery but it get the job done.
You ever see or sell Oliver tractors that were repainted David Browns? Examples are the Oliver 500 and 600. I have only seen them in books and the internet.
Greg Henry i thought David Brown was made by case ??
We never sold one that I know of, but there is a 500 about 10 miles from here, and I have seen a few at tractor shows. I've only seen a couple of 600s.
Case bought David Brown, but it was after David Brown had made tractors for Oliver
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Just one of those wierd footnotes. Thanks for the response!
@@bustersmith5569 I guess you could say in round about way they did. Case bought david Brown tractor works and continued to build tractors at the David Brown factory till the mid to late 80s. The last tractor to roll of the line was branded a Case International(a 1594 if I remember). David Brown's tractors were a collaboration with Ferguson with the Ferguson Brown type A. David Brown is still around today as a gear/transmission maker. Aston Martin db series have(or atleast used to) David Brown drive trains in them. Sorry for long answer, but I hope you enjoyed the extra info.
Yess been waiting for corn planting video hope it goes well also at some point are you going to get the kids involved with the farm. Stay safe out there Chris
I was trying to get my daughter to ride with me and try driving. That way I can blame any crooked rows on her! Lol
Will there be more corn planting videos
Sure! I want to get some footage in the soybean stubble and on the sandier ground.
So the seeder is "powered" by the center rubber tires that drive chain and gear links? So in theory, as you speed up or slow down, the rate of see application automatically adjusts based on the speed of the center tires on the seeder? So no PTO use at all? If that is true, how fast can you actually plant before the seeder can't keep up? How do you know if one of your row feeders gets clogged and stops dropping seed? When you get to the end of the field, and lift the seeder up, what stops the seeds from continuing to drop out of the tubes if the chains are still powering the system?
Correct. The ground wheels drive chains that go to a clutch mechanism. When the planter is up, the clutches have rotated with the lift, and that pushes the 2 halves of the clutch apart separating the drive and while the chain from the wheel keeps turning, it can't transfer the rotation to the shaft, so everything stops. Let the planter down, the 2 halves are pushed back together by a spring, the teeth inside the clutch mesh, and everything starts turning again. And since it is ground driven, the amount of seed goes up and down with ground speed so that it is always putting down the same number of seeds per foot. There is a speed limit for it that varies by population. If the seed disc turns too fast, the seed can get jammed because it can't fall out quick enough before the hole goes past the opening. There is a transmission on the side that you use to combine different sprockets to get different populations by speeding up or slowing down the seed discs relative to the ground speed. If I remember right, they don't recommend going over 7 mph on lower populations, and it goes down from there. Corn is a low enough population (I'm planting 30,000 seeds per acre) that I could go 7 mph if I wanted to, but with my stony ground, that gets hard on the machine and also decreases the accuracy from bouncing. I plant at 5 mph, but do go a little slower in areas where I know there are a lot of rocks.
As to telling if a seed tube is plugged up, there is a sensor in the tube of each row. One side is LEDs, and the other is a light receptor. Each time a seed goes by, it blocks some of the light, the receptor picks that up and sends a pulse to the monitor in my cab. Each pulse is a seed, so the monitor can take the speed the planter is moving (there's a sensor for that as well) and calculate that with the number of seeds dropped over a set amount of time, and show me how many seeds per acre I am putting down. If the monitor doesn't get a pulse for around a second, it sounds the alarm to let me know one of the rows is out of seed. It shows a blinking square for each row, so if seed stops dropping, that square stops blinking. I know which row has the problem and get out and see what is going on. If the seed tube were to get plugged, it fills up with seed, the sensor can't see the light from the LEDs, so there are no more pulses, and the alarm goes off. That doesn't happen very often. The alarm sounds when I lift the planter because it stops dropping seed. It sounds for a few seconds and shuts back off. Hope this helps.
What part of the state or you in. Our ground around Kalamazoo has a lot more standing water. Great job I would love to find an older white or Oliver to overhaul. May God Bless you and your family
I'm in the Jackson area. We have been getting rain, but just enough to get stuff wet and keep us out of the field.
Is this the same Harry Deckler that worked for Kinze manufacturing If so i have met him years ago when i worked at Kinze.
Yes it is. He went to Kinze aftrr working for White.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris love the videos keep up the good work us iowa boys love Oliver's and white to
Love that the interior cab headliner is almost the same as the 2-155! Is that a Funk powershift?
Yes it is the Funk
That's the 2nd bad thing about JD, majority of their equipment really isn't designed by JD, more "copied" or others make for them.
It's amazing how technology of the 80's are still continuing even today isn't it? I still prefer the older drills/planters, no sensors that can go bad and give you a wrong reading. Great video, thank you for sharing. Cheers :)
Could you make a video on your purple Oliver 1850
I need to make some progress on it, not much has changed on it in the last year. I did get the seat rebuilt a week ago.
What was your cover crop- grass? Does the cover crop do anything other plan control erosion? How many acres can you plant with the 12 bags of corn you initially filled the planter with? Good luck with the weather and keep feed’n the beefs 🙂
Oats. They hold the soil, die over the winter from the cold and the decaying roots make for good worm food. The grasses you see in the video is volunteer wheat.
Soil looks pretty dry by you! My yard is either boot stuck wet or just standing water wet.😑 its better than snow though.
This field is well drained for the most part. It rained the last 2 days so we're wet again too.
Is the front frame the same a a 6800 series? We have a 6824 and I see some similarities
been looking at 6125 or the 8310. curious what your thoughts are on the 6125. I currently run a MM G1000, so I am looking for newer and about the same hp. plus I like the 5.9 cummins
I really like the tractor. The 6125 uses the White rear end and hydraulics, so it has common parts with my other tractors. Early 6125s used the White mechanical lever 3 point hitch control, move the lever to lift or lower, with a stop knob to adjust operating level type of set up. Very similar to your G1000. Later ones like mine incorporated the electronic hitch control from the Massey. The actual lift parts are still the same, just the controls are different. It makes it easy to adjust lift height, operating height, lower speed, and draft sensitivity all from the operator's position by turning a few dials. Once you have it where you want it, there's a rocker switch on seat arm that you rock back to lift and rock forward to lower. They also added switches to the fenders on the outside to raise and lower the 3 point, which makes hooking up to implements much easier.
The 8310 used the Massey Ferguson rear end, hydraulics and 3 point hitch. They redesigned the powershift so that every clutch pack has the same length of oil galleys. This helps to overcome the variable fill rates of the clutch pistons due to viscosity changes brought on by temperature changes. In short, they are supposed to shift smoother, especially on the 9-10 and 10-9 gear changes when there are 3 clutch packs shifting at the same time. The downside is if a solenoid fails, it's not as easy to get to as on the 6125 which has all the shifting solenoids in an easy to get to bank along the right side of the tractor. I haven't had to replace one yet, but it does happen. Some of the solenoids on the 8310 are under the cab floor, so not a huge job to get to, but still a little more work. I think the 8310 could also be ordered with the 32 speed partial powershift Massey transmission. They had 8 manual gears with a 4 speed powershift in front to get the 32 speeds. I don't have as much experience with those, but I have heard good feedback on them.
Both tractors use the 5.9 Cummins, which is a great engine in my opinion, and if nothing else, there are so many of them out there, they will have parts available for a long time to come. They are also on the low end of horsepower for their drivetrains, so either one should last a long time with decent care.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris That is very helpful, would there be anything I should look for that is a common failure on the 6125 if I were to purchase one? what would be a comparable tractor to the 6125 of other brands?
I'm not sure what the competition had at the time. I was more into service than sales. I can't think of anything specific to check. Look at the fluids, see if they look clean. Drive it, try every gear because if there's a bad solenoid, some gears will still work, others will not. It will likely shift a little rough when the oil is cold, especially the 9-10 or 10-9 shifts. Try shifting at low rpm and wide open and see how consistent it is. If it has the electronic hitch control, try it out. It's nice, but there's also wires and sensors to go bad. If it's 4x4, try that out. Listen for noises from the axje. They are a good axle, but from what I understand ZF isn't suppling parts for some of the axles from that era of tractors. That's not just a White thing either, Deere used ZF axles and parts availability has been an issue for them. Maintain the oil and grease them regularly and they will hold up.
Great video! White planters have a great reputation for a reason. Can you tell me what all parts you need to convert an 1800 to a two speed PTO? Thanks
There really isn't a way to convert them, the housing doesn't have room for both sets of gears. You'll have to buy a complete dual speed unit from a 50 series to do it.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris what parts do you need? I saw a listing for one with just a housing/cover, two gear sets, and a shaft.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris by the way, I'm planning on winning that t shirt 😆😆
What brand of row cleaners and closing wheels are those? Nice set up.
They are both Yetters. The closing wheels are 2 wheels sandwiched together on each hub.
How old is that planter ? The first planter i used was 4 row 38 inch JD . How much do you plant a year with it .
We bought it in 1996 if memory serves. It plants about 400 acres a year, give or take.
Watching your videos reminds me of the old days back when everything was not so complicated i am retired because of my health and this is as close as i can get to farming
Ciao Chris. Is this your newest tractor on your farm? Looks barely used. Great video!
Yes it is. It was also the last tractor our dealership sold. It's a 1997 model year, we closed out doors in 1998. I think the planter might be the last we sold as well, but I'd have to do some digging to be 100% sure on that.
I’ve heard and see your experience and it’s fantastic. What didn’t you do at your dealership? You were a key employee there. Thank you for always replying to my silly comments.
I didn't do any accounting, Lol! I basically did whatever dad told me to do, and now I'm glad he did. Our dishwasher had a part wear out and wasn't doing a good job. Most people would have been washing by hand with the quarantine going on, not being able to get someone in to repair it or replace it. I was able to find the part online, get it shipped and installed, and keep my wife happy. I thank my dad for the mechanical ability and drive to figure out things for myself.
is it just the video making the hitch look short or is it really that short
How short is short?
I run a 6182 white planter very similar. You mentioned a speed sensor could you explain that? I have the same monitor but haven't figured out how to get seed population. Take care and have fun
On the shaft that ground wheels drive is a sprocket, and there's a pickup sensor that reads off that sprocket to figure out ground speed. There should at least be a pig tail connector for the sensor on your planter harness, I can't remember if it was on the left or right side on those planters. The monitor is set up to read speed either that way or through a radar gun, so if you don't have that sensor, the planter might have originally been set up to read speed off the radar on the tractor. It wouldn't be hard to add the sprocket and sensor on, just need those 2 items and the bracket that holds the sensor.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I think mine has that but I didn't realize what it was. This just my second year with it. I bet mine isn't connected to the monitor. This is my first planter to have a monitor.
The sensor could need adjusted or replaced. It needs to be centered over the sprocket teeth, and pretty close, I'd say about the thickness of a dime. The sensor has a weatherpak connector, 2 prongs, and should be plugged into the planter harness. The monitor should say speed failed if it's not picking up a signal. There's also a calibration procedure in the manual for calibrating the speed so your population numbers are accurate.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris it definitely has the sensor found it today. I'll see if I can get it to work in the next couple days. Thanks for the info.
What's the normal maturity you plant for your area?
I'm planting 106 day down to 96 day this year.
It rained where i live so i cant plant today
I got rained out today as well.
What brand are the fertilizer openers
They were White's own design.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks my double disc usually do the job in notill but those are definitely better
I'm sorry Chris there is no way you can plant corn like that...No GPS, no computers, no auto steer , you can't fool me!!!
I did use the GPS on my phone to verify the speed of the planter... busted!! Lol
@@ThatOliverGuyChris 😂👍