Has TwoSetViolin's humor gone too far?
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- I am back to try out something completely different. TwoSetViolin's recent videos have really got me thinking about the nature of their content: just remember that all of this is just my opinion, and you are free to disagree!
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If you've watched Two Set for a while, you know that nothing they say is meant to be cruel. Their entire purpose is to promote classical music and their love for the music and respect for other musicians is clear. But, a sense of humor is required when watching their videos. They have made fun of composers, conductors, other string players, pianists, percussionists and wind & brass players. They have joked about music students and teachers, professional musicians, and audience members.They have criticized movie and TV musicians and musical shows and the way classical music is portrayed in the media. In short, they have had fun with every player and instrument in the orchestra, and just about anyone and everyone connected with classical music. That's why they connect. But, it's always done with gentleness and not a hint of meanness. Anyone who has ever played an instrument, or played in an orchestra, at any level, can relate to their humor, and many people who have never played an instrument connect with them, too. Because they are funny. Anyway, as with all of social media, no one is forced to watch Two Set. You make the choice, and so far 2.3 million people have.
Exactly!!
Yes! I think a few people take things way too seriously. Twoset is the least mean people I have ever seen on youtube.
2.56 million people have made the choice currently
2.68 mil
Unless it's viola. They have NEVER tried to say it's any good and have bashed on it regularly. As a dedicated violist, it's dispointing. Yeah, viola jokes are fun, but there needs to be balnce.
These are my thoughts as a singer-
I think everyone is overreacting. This is their humor and all of these jokes are jokes that classical musicians make and laugh at ALL THE TIME. Also, twoset make fun of literally any instrument, including the violin, and they have been doing that since 2014. If anything, they've gotten more family friendly as their audience grew. If you go back to their older videos you'll see some content they would never make nowadays. I honestly think people should learn to not take them too seriously. They said it best- "We are serious about music, but we're not very serious people." That's what their channel is about. Yes, they do educate people, but their channel is and has always been a comedy channel. Which means it's biased, not always pc, and should not be taken seriously.
To be completely honest, I think that if twoset strarted doing everything you've suggested in this video they would just not be that funny anymore. Comedy can't be 100% pc all the time, or else it will just be boring.
Here's my take. yes, they make fun of literally any instrument including violin, but they have also PRAISED the violin so much more, and the others are either just not addressed or addressed in the background (or left to be addressed by someone that is more capable of addressing it). To call out, for example, recorders out of nowhere, especially when the stereotype already exists, feels kinda out of place and even though some people can distinguish that difference, that is a joke vs a serious topic, it can also feel like a personal attack, especially since they're just contributing to judgements that most people think are accurate (And don't even get me started on the viola jokes).
Yes, they're a comedy channel, but they're also influencers. They have a lot of fans. And what they say, since 2014, now has way more impact than it did before and they should react accordingly.
@thespeedyyoshi Are you implying that a person should not praise the instrument they have dedicated their entire lives to higher then an instruments they have not? That seems a bit ridiculous. Also no average person is going to look at one of those verses videos or any of their comedy videos and take it at all seriously. You would either have to be mentally impaired or a child to think they are at all being serious, and that is not the average watching their videos, and they are catering to the average. This is after all a business and that is how businesses work. If someone feels personally attacked then that is their own fault and have other things to worry about then a video. If you are secure with your self it should not matter what another person thinks, and again the average person won’t which is again who they are catering to.
@@thespeedyyoshi well thay have been playing violin for 20 years... ofc they love the violin.... actually if you watched their past videos related to instrument it was much more savage... but maybe you're right... they have so much more influence now, so they need to be careful... but i really felt the reaction to that recorder vs violin were too much... it was clearly a joke... those techniques doesn't even sound like it meant to be recorder techniques... but maybe the price and reputation comparison are too much... and I think that's what triggered the recorder player...
I didn't know it was such a big problem.. I was even happy seeing reacting to twoset video because that means twoset was that famous
Exactly! Well said! I am a pianist, and boy, have they roasted us. But really! I am not going to get angry with them, because they aren't even serious. I a lot of other videos they express a big admiration for pianists. Same with recorder players. So relax and just enjoy their goofy humor.
@@thespeedyyoshi Don't you think you are just a tiny bit snowflakey? I mean, people should be able to discern a joke from reality. And they made a video about how they got roasted, and stated very clearly that their intention was fun.
And btw. It is natural to think better of your instrument. It is like your baby, so obviously you like it more! Also, they are called twoset *violin* not twoset recorder. So that should be natural.
People must really be very insecure of themselves to find this offensive.
i personally don’t understand why people are so mad. it was all good fun and everyone just needs to chill and laugh.
My fav line from their vid is "Woa, so cheap. Even digital one is more expensive."
@@LinCalc yeahh XD Eddy voice sounds so cute when he said that
i know right !!
The violists never get that mad
People just dont get humor
Honestly they're really just joking. A lot of newcomers probably don't understand their humor and think that they're making fun of the instrument when really they're just being fun :) There's nothing arrogant about them, maybe it represents arrogance to some people who just discovered them. It's not really a big deal, just too many butthurt people out there
To me there is not doubt in my mind that they are all jokes, it is very clearly represented in the way that they don’t even try
Yeah I too didn't expect there would be reaction video against them at the time... Because I saw clearly that their videos are menat to be a joke...
your last sentence...😂😂😂🤣🤣so true...
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE VIOLAS WE HAVE BEEN ROASTED DIP MANY TIMES JUST CHILL OK IT'S A JOKE
no offense on u tho lol
EXACTLY!!!!
as a violist, I'm tired the community shitting all over me when i post in the subreddit. 🙄
I wouldn't really take them seriously about everything they say except when regarding classical music. They're on the same troll level as Pewdiepie but less controversial. Or was. I'm worried they're slowly getting on pewds level if they're not more careful or self aware.
I think most of their audiences already know they are very subjective and biased about their opinions and videos, unless it's violin related, so most won't (shouldn't) take their judgment against jazz/pop, violas and Guinness Book of World Record too seriously. They're literally just 2 dudes in their late 20s or something who want to do and say whatever they want without being too politically correct and I'm not sure if they're willing to give up their 80-90% candidness just because they've managed to gather 2 mil+ subscribers. Like, they've been like this, made jokes like this since _2014,_ they never considered that they will _have to_ consider changing their humor and inside jokes when they reach 2 million subs. (But then again, they prob didn't expect to reach 2 mil + subs... So there's still a chance that they will accommodate to newly realized power/influence they have over people)
But I guess I shouldn't assume that everyone will be safe and be able to form their own opinions without twoset influencing them, esp the young children who subscribe and follow them religiously.
I understand your point about twoset reacting/roasting to nonviolin videos. I agree that they do have big influence on their audience and that they shouldn't be too careless with their words, esp when they don't mean them. Their opinions about classical instruments will affect the younger audiences as they are well respected violinists. I think their opera joke video will be fine, however, and won't garner as much flames as their recorder video did. The recorder video was too thoughtless on twoset's part as it was like hitting someone below the belt when they're already underestimated/judged by the general public, esp by nonmusicians. The opera gang is in a position to handle some teasing in comparison, and nothing big will come out of it.
Hey, maybe in a few days time, someone might recommend this critical video to Twoset and they'll be more aware about themselves.
LAST EDIT DANGIT: In conclusion, I don't want 2set to sacrifice their candidness. I mean I watch 2set exactly because of this. I enjoy their genuine reactions and opinions, tbh, even if it's subjective or biased. I don't think their humor has gone too far, either, as their humor hasn't changed for almost 6 years. This has been their humor since 2014. It's just that their lack of filters is becoming more and more problematic as their fanbase grows. They just need to adapt some damage control strategy to avoid creating unnecessary tensions and misunderstandings, esp between the musicians, the non musicians, and the very vulnerably impressionable audiences. They also have to be more careful on choosing their targets. They can't choose instruments/musicians that are already at a disadvantage. That would just make them insensitive and the joke distasteful.
Yeah, I agree with this comment for the most part. It's like, it's been their personality since the beginning, but because of the growing influence, they need to adapt. Although, one other thing I would want to mention is that I feel like the "damage control strategy" they're using, that is ling ling insurance, is just...not enough at all. It's a meme at this point and well that's fine, it loses its meaning of what they really want to convey with the jokes. It's almost a "joke" to defend themselves at this point. That's why I think they should make at LEAST ONE SERIOUS video about the jokes they make and address them. Especially viola jokes. I don't know that just some damage control strategies would be enough. They need to address the issue first hand.
It's quite sad to know that people have to be less like themselves the more popular they become. Because too many people are too sensitive and people love to be controversial and call others out for anything they do. I agree with you though, I hope they don't let society and fans dictate heavily on everything they do. To be honest I think I enjoyed their old videos more than the ones now. Those in the past seemed even more genuine. Everything now seems more professional and overdone which just makes it kind of like every other youtuber.
They're still the first video I watch the moment open up my youtube in the morning. So not hating on them
This whole comment was what I was basically planning on saying.
Dream Cardigan their influence has definitely grown so much so that there is indeed a need to reassess the message or impact of their contents. there are plenty of contents out there that they can develop further without having to put down/ degrade the other musical instruments even for the "sake of having a bit of fun". one of their thrusts is to make classical music accessible and relatable. so perhaps "poking fun" on other instruments may defeat that purpose. those videos are the ones that i actually do not choose to "accent to like". i think of those young kids who follow them, and who are inspired to explore music as an active interest, and who are trying to pick up any musical instrument they can afford to learn and discover that the recorder is the most accessible for them, only to find this video... so yeah.. they might need to reassess.
@@dolphinsandsunsets i kind of worry and pity them that they have so much responsibility now that they've become so famous. I agree that they need to be more responsible as they are becoming more and more influential, but I'm just sad they have to inevitably sacrifice a bit of their carefree attitudes in order to reach a balance. I always saw their candidness as a part of their brand; their unspoken, personal integrity. But hey, with power comes with great responsibility and with age comes wisdom. The older audiences will have to understand that 2set has to reconsider their content in connection with their more impressionable audiences.
I feel like people are missing the humour in the original videos. If you look at the bigger picture there was no part of twosets video that was edgy enough to warrant the reaction from the recorder community. I'm not saying that the recorder community shouldn't have done what they did, I'm just saying that twoset were simply poking fun at both the recorder and violin- it really isn't that big of a deal.
the jokes themselves aren't what is the big deal, it's potentially getting people led to believe the wrong thing and truly believe steriotypes that is now that they have a larger, non-musician audience
The jokes on their channel are funny *because* they are accurate and are truths that would have been understood only by classical musicians if not for their channel. That's why it was able to bring together musicians and non-musicians together.
The problem with their violin vs recorder video is that the joke is based on an uninformed stereotype, which means it doesn't reflect the truths that recorder players experience. So to be the butt of the joke when basis of the joke is not even accurate feels a lot like being bullied (as if they were just looking for a replacement for the seemingly getting old viola jokes).
If they wanted to make classical music (and not just classical violin) more relevant, then wouldn't they aim for an accurate but fun way of presenting it? If they won't portray it accurately, then they wouldn't be able to make classical music relevant. They'd just be able to make a passing trend or meme.
@@piccolopagalingling6284 -- I'm not sure that Two Set is really responsible for whatever some viewers believe. If audience members don't get the joke, is that Two Set's fault? If they were to change, they would probably lose viewers. Millions watch them for the humor and fun. Too bad if the recorder players have thin skin. But, they filmed their responses, and had their say and Two Set explained/apologized. With everything going on in the world today, Two Set's videos are hardly worth all this drama. Lighten up, people. We need a few laughs, especially now.
Ms Pea SAY IT AGAIN QUEEN ✨
Ms Pea I’m with you!
Honestly, I miss the old and cruel humor of Twoset
same..but it's not that possible to see it again imo..
Me too but it's won't be possible to see it again because of the snowflakes on the internet
I miss the old and cruel humour everywhere. Nowdays you even need to be careful with the direction in which you breathe
I don't understand, why people ignore the fact that those "roasts" are so ridiculously grotesque and take them seriously. But at the same time it might be because I was already exposed to classical music, 2set videos and recorders before. But, if you can kinda tell that recorders are not so "popular" in public that doesn't know about classical music much, opera is popular enough for everyone to understand that it was complete bullshit and was meant to be it.
I mean, the self-deprecating humour is something that both Australians and English connect really well to, so from that point the idea would really be "look how shitty Eddy is at recorder.
I’ve barely played an instrument and don’t know to much about classical music and composing, but even I can tell that it was a joke
I haven't been exposed to classical music so, non-musical's point of view: Literally the entire way TSV's videos are structured make it clear that they are just exaggerating for comedic effect. If every joke that TSV makes receives such backlash then I suppose Viola Gang has won my respect yet again because they know how to take a joke. Its evident its the jokes that TSV makes is all lighthearted and the way they deliver the "VS" videos should be a clear notice that anything and quite possibly everything they will show about the instrument they don't play will be exaggerated. Anyone who has proper common sense should be able to see that its not serious. And really? Recorder? Students in most British curriculum schools learn how to play that instrument at age 11 as a mandatory class, its obvious that they are just fooling around.
My exposure to classical music is *very* limited (only been 1.5 months since I discvoered TSV) and even I know that its just bs meant for a video.
I guess people just become too sensitive. Look at the situation from the other side. After twosetviolin video recorder players could become popular and as I know one of the recorders even made channel only to "diss" them(in a good way).
Twosetviolin reacted to these videos and showed their audience to new youtubers. I would say more things but my English is not as good. Anyway, don't make a big deal of it.
That's what i feel too!
Yeah they even reacted to both videos! It's not like they saw someone criticizing them and purposely ignored the videos. They looked very impressed while watching the professional recorder players too:) It's really clear that they were just joking but people just become so sensitive lol Ngl if the instrument I played got made fun of I'd be so honored because in a way they're also bringing awareness to instruments other than the violin XD
For real, have people in the comments fucking watched the video?
Two set didn’t roast “EVERY” Chinese drama as you stated in your video. So did you spread false info? Of course not. It was an exaggeration, and two set exaggerates for comedic effects
Exaggeration is one thing. Exaggeration incessantly to the point where an exaggeration feels like the truth is flawed. Twoset exaggerates their jokes for sure, especially the recorder and opera singer, and they haven't touched the topic too much so I think that's okay and the exaggeration maybe gets across. But with something like the viola jokes, it's not even an exaggeration at this point. It's a truth. And it's a false truth that they shouldn't be implying in the first place.
thespeedyyoshi so how much exaggeration is ok and how much is not?
My point is that everyone exaggerates and to say one person’s exaggeration is not right but his/her own exaggeration is fine is flawed or even hypocritical.
I have mixed feelings. I think the videos are making fun of the attitudes that musicians have about each other by exaggerating them. With this they are indirectly making fun of themselves. But this is not always clear.
I do think they should either have a professional in the other instrument present, or should have a followup of the other professional either roasting them, or teaching them the instrument. (I 'm a singer and am salivating at the idea of their having a voice lesson. A real one, not just Brett trying to imitate a soprano). And the followup should be ready to go before the first one airs, so they can be presented as a pair.
My impression about the opera singer video is that 2Set enjoyed the response to the recorder video, and look forward to responses from the singers.
Comedy is tricky. If they didn't take risks, it wouldn't ever be funny. Communicating to a very large, very diverse audience in a 10-minute video means that there will be misinterpretations and misfires. I don't want them to be so careful that they stop trying things out. But more balance from other instruments would be good, and also funny.
After all, musicians know that violinists are arrogant and need to be taken down a peg, right? Pun fully intended, albeit weak.
Thank you for your thoughtfulness and the time and skill you put into this. We need the discussion whether we agree or not.
Say it louder for the people in the back
If you call this humor “too far” that’s sad. This is literally a harmless joke 🤦🏼♀️
Yeah but there’s a lot of like influence that TwoSet has over their audience. It can genuinely hurt some people, and even though it is entirely a joke and whatnot, it’s not exactly “harmless”.
I think the most harmful thing is young impressionable fans unironically bullying and harassing violists, recorder players, or the people twoset has roasted just Bc twoset roasted them.
I felt kind of hurt when I saw this video... TwoSet has been making fun of lit any instrument since wayyy back already. I've been watching them for some time now and I know that they would not say anything to be offensive or cruel. Their goal is to make classical music more relevant in this generation and I can say that they have been doing a great job so far. They've gained 2.4 million subscribers through their hard work:))
me too... I feel hurt especially this video is made by a lingling wannabe, also a twoset fan......
This video isn't denying that! They acknowledge Brett and Eddy's hard work, just raising opinions on where they think TwoSet went wrong. Hear them out, I think they make sense. You can disagree with some of TwoSet's content and still be a fan!
I highly disagree. First, I’m glad you talked about viola jokes instead of ignoring them and being mad about other instruments’ roasts. But that’s not that common. Most people just breeze through the viola jokes, join in with laughter, and as soon as another instrument gets roasted twoset becomes oh so very rude and disrespectful.
As a part violist I am mostly fine with those jokes, and honestly, it’s about time that other kinds of musicians learn to laugh a bit at themselves as well. And to be fair, Lucy did, with the nostril playing at the end of her reaction vid!
Now here’s how one can tell twoset’s roasts on recorders and opera weren’t genuine:
They weren’t even trying. They actually said it, and also they used a cheap elementary school recorder vs a proper violin, eddy screwed up on purpose and it was very obvious, they didn’t bring a pro because then it would’ve just been an educational video, which is great, but that wasn’t their intention. They were just trying to be funny. Twoset never meant to shit on recorder players/opera singers, and they made it very obvious. What WAS the intention? To have a little fun, I guess. Take the “war” between twoset and davie504 regarding violin vs bass. Most people think it’s funny and friendly, right? That’s because they roast each other and take the jokes. So yeah, some people ARE being Whiny babies.
I get that we’re in an era of PC and PG, trying to make the internet a safe space, but well, I mean, come on. The internet is people, real people around the world. Is the world a safe space? No!!! And you know what? Sometimes it’s okay. In order to survive this life we need to be strong, because we 100% will take hits. Laughing a bit about yourself is healthy, it can make you stronger and also make life a little bit easier. If someone’s insulting you in a way you know is meant to hurt you, that’s when you fight. But when someone makes a half-assed friendly roast, just take it instead of shutting everybody’s mouths. Because that’s not how the world works.
The one with the problem is the one who walks away.
I don’t know what to think about this video... You have a point, but I’m not sure if you have been mad at them for a long time or just got irritated by the recorder video. As a longtime fan I know their recipe. They haven’t changed it much, but made it more grown up. Probably because they have grown both as persons and as a channel. They now also earn their living from Twoset.
The recorder video was fun a n d it made lots of people talking about recorders. Even though I played recorder as a child, in a semi high level, I didn’t know much about it. In the comments people wrote about it, LL40H was full of interesting information and I found new channels about recorders. That would not have happened without the recorder video. I read that more people experienced the same thing.
I absolutely get that recorder players got mad. People don’t recognise them as real musicians. Opera singers and violists are known professions. But I don’t think Twoset made a bad choice or meant to start a “war”. If people get angry and unsubscribe they lose money.
You have done videos before proving a specific point by taken clips from old and new videos. This is the same recipe. You want to show their roasting and suddenly it feels like they only do roasts without humour.
Before anyone gets really angry. English isn’t my first language and if I sound irritated or accusatory, I’m not. I just try to make my point of view heard. Good or bad.
You don't have to be a nerd musician people to understand the jokes lol ( no hate)
I feel like twoset violin is a joking channel. They are there to show classical music and be a gateway, before being serious into the music. They are there to have fun.
I absolutely hate to say this, but me, with no musical education could tell that all they say about other instruments are jokes. Twoset does have a duty to show case classical music, but they only ever try to show off violin technique seriously.
Furthermore, their videos on the paginini of every instrument, they are very supportive of other instruments. If you cannot tell when they are being serious, like the paginini video, and when they are joking, like the video where Eddy dances while doing vibrato and blowing into a recorder, you are almost looking for trouble.
I do disagree with this video, but I think you were only slightly disingenuous to the average viewer of twoset so I was not going to dislike the video. Until the Hillary Hahn clip. In that clip, twosets values for their jokes were twisted so far that it looked like sarcasm on your part. Having a responsibility to an audience, and being able to make what you want and be yourself do not always overlap. Being twoset is twosets biggest priority, not being educaters.
I appreciate how you gave your opinion with evidence and without bashing the two. I can tell you're a fan who doesn't blindly follow their idols. Could you consider adding adding subtitles to your videos? The auto-generated ones aren't always accurate.
guys even a bad joke is a *joke* and you have to acnowledge that and try your best to not be offended
No. Just, no. I do understand where you're coming from in this context, but this can be used in so many ways that can be harmful to many others. Please be more conscious of what you say, least you come across to some as either incredibly insensitive, or someone may ACTUALLY take you seriously and use that in... A myriad of ways that you probably didn't intend.
I think a good takeaway from this video is that "you judge yourself by your intentions, but others by their actions". I hope you take this into consideration!
To be honest, idk how to feel about this video. I really love TwoSet and appreciate their jokes, but I can’t help agreeing with some of the things you said.
This was a great Ted Talk, 40/40 would watch again.
Personally, I'm willing to forgive the Opera video. I get the feeling it was probably filmed and edited in a very close proximity to the recorder video, and there was still a lot of work put in to that (more on Editor-San's part) to just tuck it away.
But as the sibling of a violist and pianist/violinist myself, I would agree that they need to start emphasizing that they are jokes. A lot of times when they joke, they slap Ling Ling Insurance in there to say it's a joke, but eventually that's going to hit obscurity and new viewers aren't going to know what that even means. And personally, I think LLI should stay recurring, because the design is great merchwise, and it's much more entertaining (imo) than just smacking at the beginning of every video, "All jokes and/or insults aimed towards fellow musicians are intended to be harmless unless otherwise stated", which could even confuse viewers more (because I confused myself typing that).
But Twoset are human. We can forgive, just not forget. (And maybe also bring this up to them on LL40H, so that they're aware of our actual thoughts instead of vague impressions they would get from the like-dislike ratio)
I wholeheartedly enjoyed the video, keep it up! (Even if you can only post every two months)
On the contrary, I think those VS. videos are encouraging other instrument players to represent their respective instruments.
It's an open dialogue, and invitation to open dialogues about different classical instrumentalists. That's how I took it.
But I agree with other points your make. A serious evaluation or roasts do need experts, but for violin vs recorder was not trying to do that.
Yeah totally. It also gives the other instruments more recognition
Honestly, when I saw the recorder vs violin video, I feel they don't even try and knew it was just a joke... And then a few days after there are reacting to twoset videos recommend on my yt, and after I watch it I was only laughing that twoset now has become so famous they become an object to react to... I even search "reacting to twoset" to see if there are others who react to them... I didn't expect it would become such a huge thing...
Although I personally didn't think that video was offensive, maybe some people thought otherwise, I agree with you maybe twoset needs to be careful with their content, but not stop to roast altogether... because that's one of the video that hooked me in at the time...
I mean to be honest, Guiness World Record is used to be a very respectable record, the Highest mountain, the tallest buildings, the fastest man..... Now is just like "Breaking Glass in 1 minute"
ok no what why is no one talking about the spread of misinformation??? like yes we all get it y'all really think it's a joke bUTT THE MISINFORMATION?? something as simple as the price of a recorder / reception of a recorder player does make a difference okay like yes sure it's a joke, but who says jokes can't sway people's opinions? twoset. are. very. influential. figures. period. and while i don't entirely agree that they should revamp their humour just to accomodate their newfound popularity considering it was exactly that straightforward humour of theirs that won them popularity in the first place, but you. cannot. deny. it. has. an. impact. knowledge is very important in our current era, and to the people who understood twoset's videos were meant jokingly, you are not speaking on behalf of everyone. this video was correct - viewers who aren't musically educated who have no desire to research further into this topic won't have a single clue about the truthfulness of their videos. jokes can have truth in them, and one may lack the knowledge to tell the difference between an exaggerated joke vs a joke with truth in it. this is why it's a slightly worrying issue - sure people can take it as a joke, but how much will that joke impact their opinions? fight me on this one people cuz all the top comments seem to act as if jokes can't be taken seriously by people sometimes, or as if said jokes won't affect people. here's an example: say i've started learning the recorder in elementary school and i have slight interest in furthering my mastery of it. here's the operative - i have no prior knowledge of a recorder, only a little experience dabbling with it as part of my education. when i watch twoset's video will undoubtedly find it hilarious and i will be totally aware of the joking manner of their video, but it's not going to motivate me to learn the recorder in any way, merely the opposite. unless i have the initiative to put in the research about the recorder or maybe stumble across sarah's or lucy's videos, i might actually go on believing that the range and dynamics of a recorder is limited and that it is perceived as a disrespected instrument. and you tell me how that wouldn't be incredibly hypocritical of them, when their entire branding and inspiration and motivation behind the making of their channel is to inspire people to pick up an instrument and promote the classical music genre.
IT IS A JOKE. My 9 year old sister didn’t think that’s how much it costs. She thought the video is funny and with humor there is exaggeration. Bro, they are a motivational channel TO PRACTICE YOUR INSTRUMENT, they have so much fun with music that people are inspired to learn music, they are violinist so that’s what they focus on; the violin. Think about it if little kids watch their video (with parental guidance), they are most probably going to think the recorder is fun because they are having fun with it. Little kids are very innocent, they won’t be like “wow, that sounds terrible, I’ll never play that instrument” and if someone does think that way (which is unlikely because of how exaggerated the video is, how clear it is a joke) it’s their fault for taking things at face value. The bad reputation is the school’s systems fault, if they showed people how professional recorders sound, people won’t go on believing that. Yes, TwoSet wants to educate but also have fun. They made a video praising the recorder and reacting to a pro-recorder player, and also made one having fun with the instrument.
I feel like twoset is known for honest and blunt humor. They just need to make sure their humor doesn’t bite them in the back
Some good arguments are made here - I agree that they should maybe be more explicit with their disclaimers about viola jokes in other videos, just in case people are new and don't know that it's a running gag, or are so unfamiliar with the world of music and incapable of thinking for themselves and think that TwoSet's words are gospel, that they really believe anything.
Almost everything mentioned in this video could be brushed away by the disclaimer: "This is just friendly joking, don't take it seriously".
I think the only place where this video's argument (stated in the title) holds is with children who are so young and impressionable that they can't discern that this is a joke (pretty much anyone over the age of 13 would be able to, really, even if they are non-musicians). Or where they're so immature that they can't tell that you respect musicians at the end of the day, and jokes are just friendly sparring like that between members of a family. I think they are the only people that an explicit disclaimer would benefit. Most people love their channel precisely because they're not serious, and bring childlike fun to classical music, a combo which was previously unheard of. Their main selling point is that they're two friends goofing off together (who happen to know a lot about violin playing and classical repertoire)
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A couple of places where I feel that contextualization could occur:
- the "Violin vs Opera" singer video was clearly made in jest - its another open invitation to be roasted, kind of like an inside joke. Of course, they expected (maybe even hoped for) opera singers to respond, and have another friendly sparring session where people actually learn more about the instrument/ tradition like with the recorder video. So many people were introduced to the recorder because of the video where they respond to the roasts.
Also, if we're talking about broad impact, rather than merely an intention, I think that the main effects of this video are that thousands of people got to know more about the actual playing of the recorder and that they gave free exposure to players like Sarah Jeffery and Lucie Horsch, to an audience that was unfamiliar with them.
- 1:07 - "worrying trend of videos has no end in sight" its literally just two videos, I wouldn't call it a trend.
- 1:32 - "they didn't even try to get any details right" - yes, I think that's the point. When they're so clearly playing terribly, no one can actually take what they say seriously.
- 5:05 - Its a bit of an exaggeration to call a response "drama", its more like the gentle, friendly sparring that takes place between musicians who do respect each other. Anyone who has taken part in an ensemble is familiar with this kind of environment, and non-musicians are introduced to the culture. Classical musicians aren't stern people, they're actually a bunch of kids goofing off together behind the scenes.
- 10:16 - I really don't think its meant to be that deep. The whole "do they have to hold the earthing", yes I know that they don't understand the ins and outs of singing at a high pitch. But I don't think that the "world's most useless records" video is supposed to be a technical analysis like the violin playing roast videos. It's more like "this is how funny this scene looks to me, a bystander". That's clearly obvious given how they don't try to do too much analysis, more just an observation of the oddness of the things that catch humans' attention, like random records. I think saying "the people who spend their time are useless and look stupid" is an overstretched extrapolation. Meme culture and caricature involve gentle mocking - the entire form of humor breaks down if anyone actually takes them seriously. If Ben Lee himself didn't take it personally, why should other people?
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ok, this is all too political. if you think less of yourself or of an instrument or of twoset because of this video, go right ahead, think less, but i play the recorder, and i thought their video was funny and just a common universal meme. i make fun of myself too, so i dont blame them. i also appreciated sarah jeffry's video portraying everything there is to love about the recorder, and i think twoset did too. its all fun and games until people try and make it seem like a hatful political act. chill
...this is what happens to comedians nowadays. I'm so done with this. If you like, watch it. If you don't like it...don't watch it. They don't have any responsibilities of 'representing' the community. They only represent themselves.
You make a great point. I love your reasonable logic. As a fan who cares deeply for Twoset, i was also worried about the direction they could take. so thank you.
na na na I disagree with you saying that they have to represent ALL classical musicians fairly just because they have one of the most highest subs for a classical music channel. At the end of the day, they are violinists. It’s obvious that they would have their own preference and dislikes. I’m a pianist, so I’m incredibly incredibly inclined to always say piano is the best instrument and make certain aspects of the piano exaggerated to pull in new pianists. It’s called pride of your instrument. I was 10-11ish when I started watching twosetviolin and even I understood they made it clear they didn’t know how to play the instrument and was making the content for entertainment purposes and it may not be true to the instrument
I dont thing Twoset should change, nobody complained before the whole recorder drama - which is reaaaly overblown,pianist never said anything, opera singers never said anything other instrument players just laughed, and everybody who watched knew that it ws obviously a joke, like its really obvious its a joke- if you dont like these types of jokes, just dont watch Twoset, if you do than go on, you and 2,4milion people are with you
I think the two recorders also !eant it as adding to the joke but the first recorder (idk her name) kinda blew if off a bit by making the video so serious, but the other one barely talked she just showed stuff which for me isnt calling out its just like in kindergarten when a kid says you cant eat all the lunchables and then you come in to school the next day with 5 packs of lunchables ready to eat...? Not meant to be serious they are just including the people
Since some ppl seem to have missed this point: *Just because some fans are discussing criticisms of TwoSet's humor doesn't mean they're overreacting.*
One can enjoy their videos while still recognizing that there's room for improvement. Discourse about a (somewhat) controversial topic isn't drama. It's just an in-depth discussion.
So please stop reducing such posts/ comments as overreactions and stop treating it as drama bc it isn't.
Thank you for commenting this, I was literally drowning in the amount of 'lmao chill op they were just joking' comments that were super uncomfortable, I'm glad at least a few people got the point :)
I think they’re obviously joking when they roast other instruments. to be honest, if they did the things you recommended in this video i would probably unsubscribe from them
As a musician who plays many instruments I am not offended by their videos... in fact I think they’re bringing much-needed humor in these terrible times! I believe they are good guys and we can choose to come together all as musicians instead of create drama. 💗🎶
I discovered twoset channel maybe 2 or e months ago, i am not a musician. I binge watching all they video. I enjoyed their content like charades and LL40H, and i re-watched some of their videos. But when the violin vs recorder come out, i only watched that video once. Because i feel that's not right. Same thing with the opera singer ones. Once they review the recoder player review to their video, i feel like, "oh maybe they want to make others musicians wake up, especially on youtube." but when they did it again, i feel so wrong.
I am no one to say this thing, im glad i found this video, and knowing someone have the same opinion with me.
Don't get me wrong, i rlly love twoset, I don't wanna them be well-known-ing as twodudes who always make non-sense jokes over the internet.
Hi there! I’ve just finished watching your video, and I wanna say that I agree with most of what you presented in the video! I appreciate that you say twoset is now too big to make jokes without context/support because many of my non-musician, not musically trained friends get into Twoset’s content as well, and it seems to me that they start having some “misconceptions” about the viola 😔. I’ve been musically trained for many years so I always know what to take as facts and what to takes as jokes from Twoset, but if Twoset don’t start working on presenting other instruments (other than violin, piano) in positive light, i think they’re gonna have dramas 😔. For the world record thing tho, i think they were just stating their opinions so it might not fit into others’ understanding, but i do agree that they have to be more sensitive with what kind of content they’re coming up with
Tbh i found twoset channel a few weeks ago and because of them I started to like classical music (I believe that’s also happen to many of their non-musician subscribers).
I personally gain a lot of knowledge abt classical music as well as the instruments in it, which some i discover because of them mentioning a certain instrument in their roast. And their intention when they made youtube channel is to spread knowledge about classical music world and make it known to the mainstream, which I believe they did it. I could say that the life of their channel is their real self and NOT everyone is perfect. I enjoy most of their content even if it’s a roast vid, because i find them HILARIOUS AND ENTERTAINING.
I strongly agree that they hold the power to “manipulate” their viewers through their opinions. But, it’s their opinion and THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION AND SO ARE WE.Even when they joke about other instruments i know exactly they’re just joking and that doesn’t make me lose my respect for other instruments. It really depends on how we, as a viewer, filter the information. And I believe that’s why THEIR CHANNEL IS PG. Their viewers who’s still a kid and easily swayed by other people’s opinion need their parents to guide them.
My main point is, this far, i think their joke is still harmless as we know how brett and eddy portray their channel. I don’t think they need to entirely change their content, BUT more like using the right word as the title of their vids.
1 example here, what if the “violin vs recorder” changed into “Violinist try : voilin vs recorder”.
Points noted. But after watching Twoset about a year now, I have come to realize their main objectives
1. Spreading the knowledge of classical music.
2. Building the habit of practicing.
Everything else is fun. I was so happy to see replies from the recorder community because I was enlightened. Indirectly the objectives are reached. Although these jokes, particularly those of the Viola's might come with a cost. For example, a young student starting out wouldn't pick interest in a viola because of those jokes. You have a logical point and make a lot of sense, but those representations should be seen purely as roast. Great video though.
Opinion:
People don't understand sarcasm or maybe because they don't understand the jokes(?) I, as a pianist, can agree to their jokes. I don't find them insulting. I do agree TwoSet should check up on their fandom to prevent any problems. As far as I know, even the professional musicians can take their jokes and don't take it seriously. People have different ways to make jokes. I think everyone should acknowledge that. UNLESS they really meant to insult someone, then that's another story.
I love this video. It shows constructive criticism but not attacking them like some aggressive fans. Good job!
I’m a viola player... and even I laugh at the viola jokes. I don’t even find them offensive or whatnot. I think every instrument player should be able to make fun about themselves and their instrument. It’s all jokes but we all know viola ain’t good 😔
I remember their video that was twoset news or something like that, and the news were that some ballet had dissed bts and that a violist had caught coronavirus. And they were making fun of the fact he was the first musician to have publicly caught it, and he was a violist. The whole time I was like guys, he's ILL, and he's older like 50 something you don't know if he's severely ill like STOP. I get it, you make fun of violas, but STOP. I think twoset can't grasp the concept of having a platform and how people react to things you put out, but I hope they do soon. You have a lot of dislikes on this video but I hope you don't feel discouraged because it's very needed and you make very good informed points
I see a lot of comments are like 'they were just joking chill', but what these people don't get is that you can enjoy someone's content WHILE being critical of it. And just because something was meant to be a joke doesn't mean it can't offend people or that their offense is less valid.
Basically, thank you for making this video bcs there are far too many people out there who scream 'chill' and don't accept any criticism and idolize twoset, which is seriously unhealthy since brett and eddy are normal people more than capable of taking things too far and making mistakes, not gods that can't err, and you have to take that into account.
Honestly sad that too few people understand the necessity of listening to criticism of their idols (that aren't mean messages or bullying or trolling ofc, those don't count as criticism) and not just blindly excusing their every action.
This is...way too good.
Man, you have such a good articulate voice for this kind of video. it's honestly so perfect. I'm so glad you decided to talk in this one. And the editing is on point. I can tell the time and effort that went into this video whether it was the structure of the entire thing or the words used.
Yeah, I kinda agree that the recorder video was just a little too out of place as well as the Jay chou roast for reasons you already mentioned here so no need echo. But at least they were KINDA able to see those effects and TAME them KINDAISH. *By far, the worst one is the viola jokes.*
They play the viola. We know that. Yet they'll just continually roast them over and over and over again. The one time they could've made a serious video about the viola (violin vs viola) they choose not to and it really frustrated me. Any meme that says "violas are instruments too" they basically address for like 5 seconds before moving on (as you showed here).
I think the problem is what you say in the video. When you repeat something, people believe it. But it's getting worse actually. It's not just the viola's be critiqued now, but it's turning into more personal attacks. "YOu play viola?? That's disgusting" I've seen a comment that actually mentioned their kid stopped playing viola BECAUSE of these videos and their attacks. It's frustrating to me that they're not CHANGING THIS.
They know that the viola is a real propper instrument, and they know that it's much HARDER to get a good sound from them, but it is POSSIBLE and is in fact BEAUTIFUL when it can happen. They know it's a professional instrument, and so they think they can make these jokes with the understanding that they ARE joking. But they ignore that the audience may NOT know that too much and it's getting harmful. Especially since they have almost three million subs, and they practically influence the entire classical online industry. I don't think they realize that. I also don't think people realize that those are jokes, and the more they say them, the more unfunny and "real" the joke becomes.
So thank you for speaking out on this topic. I really hope twoset sees this, even if they don't react to it in a video cause someone needed to tell them.
Ps: If you haven't already, you should post this on the subreddit. I think people would appreciate it. =D
Great points, you should consider posting this on the subreddit so that they can see it. I can see you put a lot of effort in making this video, constructive criticism isn't easy to do and you did it well. So congrats ❤️
I actually kinda want twoset to be as natural and free as they can in their videos, I have to admit I love their comedy but yea I understand that they need to behave a lil and post educational things which is also fun to watch and good for their fans
Maybe it’s just me but I can easily tell that the vids Twoset made were jokes. But I can’t tell if you are genuinely a concerned fan or
someone grifting on their popularity while putting them down.
I don't see why there should be "duty" put on them. They are a comedy channel that deals with classical music. They expose the culture to a general audience. If everything needed to be portrayed accurately, there would be no hilarious parodies and comedy in general wouldn't be ...funny. and if it isn't funny, people wouldn't watch. No comedy=no audience. Without comedy, they would become boring and only reinforce the idea that classical musicians are super serious and pompous
i think they really didn't mean anything more than just a joke. sarah jeffrey (the recorder lady) even said that she doesn't want to start drama. twoset did the same thing with electrical violin vs classical and no one clapped back or anything. i didn't see any part of the video that seemed offensive or undermining. they even acknowledged that they didn't mean to offend anyone in their reaction video.
It hasn't gone too far is just people that are way too fragile and get offended by everything and everyone. I'm an opera singer and didn't get offended at all because I knew it was a joke and they weren't disrespectful jokes. You have to have such a low self esteem to be offended by that.
*DISCLAIMER: I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE. THIS DOES NOT REPRESENT MY OPINION. PLS NO HATE*
the OP's advice for twoset's future roasts (starting at 17:25):
1. know what you're talking about in your roasts. (DON'T: lack of research, stereotypes, or exaggerations)
2. invite an expert in what you're roasting.
3. offer equal positive exposure/context for the instruments you roast.
hi, thank you for this! i love twoset and still do but this is an eye-opener for me.
Recorder video wasn't a roast.
a very insightful video with very good constructive criticism! you really got me to sit back and really think about things i admittedly have never thought about such as their reaction to the world records and how their actions could seriously affect thousands and thousands of people. i actually hope they'll react to this (maybe consider to post this on the subreddit?) and that it'll get them to think deeper about their actions and try to be a lil more careful as their audience continues to grow! :)
I really enjoyed this video as a commentary. However, I almost never take TwoSet seriously. It hasn’t crossed a line: the line has moved. If you take them seriously, you will feel their content a little mean or full on. If you don’t take them seriously, you’ll enjoy the humour.
darling,,, all i can say is: shots fired and points were made.
i hope twoset sees this and learn a thing or two because u just spilled some piping hot truth (wow that rhymes)
and thank u too for shedding light on how they portray viola jokes bc i thought i was the only one who thought it was getting old and boring
It is exactly because of this candidness that non classical music ppl like me come to like the channel, get educated on the genre and come to like the music. It is also pretty obvious to us uneducated peasants of classical music that their reaction is pretty exaggerated and should be taken on the surface level, which ACTUALLY IMPROVES the image of classical musician. Which is exactly why we uneducated ling ling wannabes never really had any interest in finding the real knowledge of classical music or listen to classical music in the first place. If roasting viola is ok simply because the jokes is hundreds and hundreds of years old, why not other musical instruments? After all, a lot of these stereotypes (especially the recorder) are quite widespread in the general public. And because of the reaction that came from the comeback from the recorder girl, whatever her channel is. I actually learnt more about the recorder after that. Twoset made the right direction as it actually helps to increase the awareness of the entire classical music scene simply the general public knows it's a joke and would be more curious if another legitimate musician comes out with a reaction and make content on it. The only problem i have is that if they use too widely and too often, the concept becomes boring and it would not pique the interest of the general viewers anymore
I’ve been watching Eddy and Brett for a long time now and I get/love their sense of humor, and actually that’s one of the reasons why I love their channel
Now there’s people who probably just started watching their videos and are getting easily offended by jokes that actually are part of the essence of the channel. I just feel like there’s people being over sensitive and just need to dive deeper into Eddy and Brett’s channel :)💖
Everyone on other instruments getting offended:
*Violists* : First time?
Everything is offensive these days. No one can laugh at themselves anymore.
Yeah I’m getting sick of like the “OMG you said I was a bit pitchy you must hate me!” Like bro. The violas deal with it and they laugh it off with us. We would not have comedy if we never offended anyone
WHY IS NO ONE DEFENDING MY VIOLA FAM??? 🎻 But no seriously, a professional violist needs to make a video roasting Twoset.
i really want to see this. it’s going to be fun
Did any of the top comments actually watch the whole video? Video-creator-san literally said it's not about their intentions.
I also believe that with most of Twosets remarks they are just genuinely trying to be funny. But to people that don't religiously watch them or have no classical music related background, they could be seen as actual, prominent, professional opinions, which they're not.
It would also just be fun to see a wider variety of professional musicians on their channel to collab.
I don't know anything about music or instruments, and I've never even seen any of TwoSet's videos until just a couple weeks ago. I've been periodically watching their videos in random order ever since because I found them extremely entertaining and funny. But I've never taken any of their "roasts" or other comments as serious or anything but a joke, and nothing they've said has negatively affected my opinions of any instruments they've talked about. This issue is very clearly dear to your heart and the last thing I want to do is undermine how a joke might make someone feel, because everyone's feelings are valid. But even after watching this entire video, I guess I just still don't really understand why this is being taken so personally, and many of the comments made here seemed quite nit-picky.
So I'd be really curious to hear what you think about the "Violin VS Bass" back-and-forth going on between TwoSet and Davie504. To me, that entire series is proof that they don't mean anything they say seriously, and are also quite welcoming to being roasted themselves. It really seems like just a good bit-of-fun between musicians all taking the mick out of each other, while simultaneously introducing people to something they might never have seen before. Without TwoSets' roasts I never would have learned anything about recorders or even anything about the bass, but now I have a new and genuine appreciation for the instruments.
I... am reallllly sorry but tbh i didnt think the violin vs recorder or the violin vs opera were funny enough to be worth all the trouble.
I hope y'all understand i love twoset and their -roasts- reactions but i just didnt find both those videos funny enough
I noticed something about the backlash comments in the beginning that really irritates me. “I get that it’s a joke, but...?” By saying that, that means you don’t get that it’s only a joke, otherwise you wouldn’t have been offended. I think TwoSet might’ve hit a little too close to home with some of their viewers.
You can get that it's a joke and still acknowledge that jokes don't get a free pass from influencing people's thoughts and actions
I like to think of TwoSet as the sort of "South Park" of classical comedy. They make fun of everyone and everything non-discriminately and don't do it out of malice. Like South Park, they can overdo it at times and do deserve to be criticized.
Hey, I just recently discovered your channel and now I'm binge watching your videos! From ideas to execution, all of them are really good.. loved them..
Also, I do understand your point of view.. even I had commented on their recorder video that they are now trolling all the "inexpensive" instruments, to which I got some replies, saying that recorders are quite expensive and I'm being insensitive.. Then I realised that I was just nodding to everything they were saying without actually knowing the facts.. and after that incident I'm deliberately trying to be as less prejudicial as possible..
Coming to your point that they are using this _vs violin as a formula, I also have a feeling that they are purposefully doing them so wrong so that more professional musicians come forward and discuss what went wrong in the respective video so that the audience get more enlightened about other instruments! Don't know if it's true or not, but their recent collab/war series with Davie504 was also not sensible for me in the beginning, but now it's getting to a more common grounds to both the instruments (hopefully!)
hope this makes any sense!
Yeah... I actually believed that Violas sound shitty. It's partially my fault because I learned not from proper research but TwoSets instead, but also, that probably means that TwoSets jokes weren't clear enough to be seen as jokes. Same case with recorder videos, their videos can possibly mislead people.
On a different note, say, you jokingly say to somebody, "Your face looks hideous," and then they get mad. You can't just save yourself by saying, "It's just a joke." So I understand why some people were mad when TwoSet had represented their instrument as trashy. Sometimes you can't just insult or roast somebody and call it a joke, it is not always appropriate to do so.
Thank you for making this very thoughtful and fair video. It's about time that we leave the (not so secret) hierarchy of instruments behind us and embrace ALL instruments.
Although I’m a year late I agree! We should also embrace all types of music I’m a jazz player and I’m in marching band but I love TwoSet although they constantly roast jazz 💀
.... I'm a violist. I'm still waiting for the real viola video, where they don't just disparage viola.
i can agree on the point what you told about their influence. they have maybe a bigger influence on their followers than they think and they should really know, what to say and what not to say. BUT they have never meant to be rude or mean!❤️they have A LOT of roast videos, but especially in this year, they had a lot of videos when they had an expert guest and watched impressive performances together (even with an opera singer btw😏).
all i want to say, that they can be serious about every kind of music if they want to, but they have always wanted to make funny videos and they always joking, i think it’s part of their personalities as well😄
it’s my opinion LINGLING INSURANCE, i didn’t want to offend anyone❤️❤️
thank you for this!
I was genuinely worried about their jokes as well tbh.
Wow so glad I found your channel. This is exactly how I feel about them too. And I have something to add to this which I havent seen anyone elses talked about.
(I apologize in advance for my very poor english. But pls bear with me if you can. Thank you)
Btw the worst "violin vs" series video by far was "violin vs bass" and their collab with davie. The battle itself was very good and entertaining. Especially in the final video where they shredding over Moonlight Sonata. The problem is how they how they interact/talked about davie.
For example on the first challenge davie gave to them to shred some solo. And it took Eddie no time at all to play it because of his perfect pitch. I thought thats really cool but Eddie's arrogant antics just put me off so much it makes me feel bad for davie.
The other times I can remember is when Eddie made fun of davie because he can't read music. Its not on their battle video. I forgot which video but I remember they talked abt editor-san can read music and Eddie said something along the lines "Yes, editor-san can read music. Unlike a certain bassist." I think thats the moment where my respect for them just go downhill.
Overall their whole attitide on their collab with davie was so patronizing and arrogant. I know the battle will continue because violin-chan hasnt been saved, but I am not excited for it.
If you're wondering if I'm just a butthurt davie fan then go ahead. I am a fan of davie. But i'm an even bigger fan for twoset. And it just disappont me to see that side of theirs. They joke a lot abt jazz, but now i have seen how they act all superior in front of a jazz musician (davie) i cant really see it as a joke anymore.
I know i talked like a 3 yo kid who cant speak english. But in fact im a 24 yo guy who cant speak english. So what? Im from different part of the world where english isnt important. But if you have the same mentality as eddie who make fun of davie because he cant read music, then i guess you should also made fun of me.
(Thanks for reading this, whoever you are)
I have a question to ask: Can school children watch Twoset channel? I mean kids at middle primary school, say year three and above. Will they take the viola joke in a mature way?
I expect a full explanation on the Davie vs Twoset war haha love ur channel
i agree with most of what you said. i was put of their viola jokes at first, but that was years ago. compared with their past videos, their new videos don’t really have much viola jokes anymore. i see it as more they have grown past the jokes, they realise it’s not funny anymore, they already have much more memes and inside jokes, and they won’t even mention viola jokes except for one or two passing sentences. personally as a long time viewer, i have grown numb of the viola jokes, but i can see how damaging they can be to non musically woke viewers. but hey, at least more people knows the existence of viola and other instruments they have made fun of or just mentioned in passing. i will never understand the importance of viola (yes ironically) in ensemble playing without them finding chances to mention viola in most of their older videos. i think you also missed out the comments of how some of the opera singers or singers in general are grateful that twoset included voice in their videos, cause most people didn’t think of voice as instrument. same logic with recorder here, if they didn’t think of recorder as legitimate instrument, why it is included in violin vs other instrument series?
not to bash on anybody, but i think it is also important to acknowledge that no matter what twoset do, there will always be people dissatisfied, or disagreeing because of their own personal reasons. if they take your advice, and change the direction of their content, they may lose long term fans who have grown together with the channel, because of as what somebody has pointed out here, lack of authenticity and being politically correct. they can’t please everybody. in the end it is up to each of us to be smart, choose what we want to consume, and filter out what we don’t want to see. it is good that twoset fans care about them so much to give them constructive feedback, but (hopefully) we can agree that twoset will never make anything with bad intentions, regardless of the way they convey the message
I also do not believe with the Drama thing that sounded like a scheme. Maybe it is true that Twoset is not yet aware of how much influence they have with their audience. But to use this drama thing to get content from the instrument they roasted, that is such a big accusation. I don't think they are that smart (sorry for lack of a better word) to think of such scheme. For the uploader of this vid, I appreciate your intention of calling out Twoset to be more responsible. But I find some of your arguments too much. You yourself are benefitted since your contents are based on their videos. In case you have forgotten. While giving them suggestions to make their channel better, you should also learn from this post of yours.
To avoid being rosted by humourless people they should just put a disclaimer in the beginning of such videos. Personally I love their stuff but anyone can come across a video without knowing who Twoset is and have a misinterpretation.
Roasting Recorder: being roasted back
Roasting Viola: hahahaha
lmao
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Joke aside, the reason why TwoSetViolin is popular and has multimillion subscribers is their humour and talent so I don't think anything is wrong with that style of entertainment. We humans like to make fun of other stuffs and people so that's the fun part of most of their roasting/reviewing videos. Just be open minded when watching their videos since they are not meant to be extremely serious 🤣🤣
They try to make classical music less serious and unaccessible to people around the world. People must get their own analysis about humour and reality.
Interesting video. I feel Twoset gives more exposure to classical music to their young audience. Cuz after the recorder video I actually went and watched videos on the recorder. But I understand that the younger audoence wouldn't do that.
Actually, my 9 year old sister knew it was a joke. She laughed and didn’t think anything of the recorder being less of an instrument. If people think a bit more the “bad reputation” is not really their fault, is more the school system teaching terribly the recorder. They have videos praising the recorder where they admit loving the sound. I don’t think they should change what they do because of “the younger audience” when they already keep it pretty PG. Cause there’s stupid people regardless of age
Hey, there’s a lot of kinda negative comments down here so even though you won’t see this I just want to say I really appreciate this video! You made some really good points and I’ve been waiting a while for someone to actually call them out on this. I love twoset with all my heart, but sometimes I get really uncomfortable when they make these jokes. I’m pretty sure they don’t really know how hurtful they can be sometimes.
It’s also a bit disheartening when you feel hurt by something and everyone just says that you’re overreacting or that you are being dumb and sensitive. Thanks for the video, love your voice man.
Points are made, not taken though because the classical music community are free to have their own thing. 'They've grown so big, they have to cater to the public now' is simply not something I believe should happen with niche content creators' creation. Thank you for the video!
When TSV made fun videos about classical music, they thought they did too much. What will happen when they don’t make any fun videos? I actually don’t understand the people who think TSV don’t respect other musicians or instruments.
Yea exactly
I commented on the beginning on the video and I wanna comment again after I watched it since one thing you said makes absolute perfect sense - twoset have grown far too much and have accumulated such a big community that, even if it inconveniences them, they have to accommodate to that. They can no longer make very niche jokes for music uni/musician students without a proper disclaimer because that's no longer the sole, or even the majority of their audience. As you said, there are kids, non-musicians, other impressionable people watching their channel and their words carry a lot more weight than they did back when they were making videos only for fun in uni. Whether they like it or not, they have to put much more thought into who's watching and how their content will influence them.
I say this as a twoset fan who found great inspiration from them and who they mean a lot to. As I said before, CRITICAL THINKING everyone, use it please even when someone is important to you.
I love how you are so thorough with your vids
Damnit I'm too early there are opinions yet, I'll be back in an hour
Wise choice. I'll be leaving my house for several hours soon so I really wonder what will happen 😳
Don't you have your own opinion? :/
@@amandarenein8502 i have one but I like scrolling through comments to see other people's opinions
Actually TwoSet doesn't cause any drama, but fun. You cause drama.
I love them and I’ll love them forever. And BECAUSE I love them, I do worry about that they’ll make people mad and lose their subscribers. I honestly don’t care and even enjoy their jokes. But I know that there’re 2M subscribers and even more other people, not everyone thinks the same. I enjoy it, it doesn’t mean that others enjoy it too. So I really, really, want them to find a better way to spread their jokes. Maybe post more videos about the beautifulness of an instrument? Just make a balance between their styled jokes and positive facts. Everyone has to improve themselves, including Twoset. But I believe them will be better!
The thing I truly agree with is that TwoSet should do more things praising the violas, just a bit more than what they do now. It would be amazing to get a beginner vs pro violist!! I actually love their roasts and their viola jokes, which was why I even found out what a viola was when I was younger. I love the sound of the viola because of their jokes, which made me question why they were made and guided me towards professional talented violists. I understand there’s not people like me out there, so they take things at face value without digging in. I think that’s their fault for not understanding the diverse world of opinions one finds on the internet, how biases should be taken into consideration and the whole idea of jokes.
VIOLA GANG VIOLA GANG + Eddy, our Viola King
We definitely can't blame a youtube channel for the general societal influence of how music is perceived in 2020.
While you make good points I doubt they care very much about doing anything other than having a good time.
People get offended by being told someone doesn't like their favorite color in these times.
In general pop culture has gone out of the way to make people deny the fruits of hard work, proclaim talent, proclaim genius, and blindly follow what people do and say as passing fads. If you want to blame someone for the lack of respect in the classical community, blame subliminal messages that affect people psychologically in modern music.
Society as a whole isn't worth pleasing in my honest opinion. Most people are thick skulled followers without a concrete leader.
The internet being the prime platform for social function in the current times-- It's easy enough to say all forms of following will always be chaotic, toxicity runs rampant, people soak up anonymity just to be terrible to each other.
With all that said... The most mean things said under ANY roast channel is by their own fans and competition.
It's a sad truth. While being fair on this topic, there are far more famous youtube channels hosted by people who are bottom of the barrel scummy and truly derogatory/offensive. I would much sooner point the finger at toxic cancer than silly fun.
this is literally so pointless, if they shit on clarinet I wouldn’t give a fuck bc idk anyone that actually hate certain instruments, it’s all in good fun man
The comedy es subjectic c: well seriously their jokes are dark humor and not everyone can handle it, they repeated that each instrument are good and have their own dificult, but is not suprise the ling ling wannabes love the roast, and those viola jokes are iconic for their channel and their fandom isnt tóxic at all, i just see humor and dark humor of course.
I couldn’t finish your video because I realized I’m not the target audience for your content. But I also feel the same thing happens with twoset channel, if you feel offended by their jokes then you’re not the target audience, I’m sure there are more channels to view and to suscribe to.
I’m a non-professional musician myself(singer and pianist) and I was also non-classical before knowing twoset. I definitely think that they’re doing a great job of introducing people to the classical music world and bringing us fun. But after watching ur video I realise that they could’ve done better. When I was watching their roasting videos I didn’t think much about whether their jokes had gone to far or not. And that’s the problem cuz I was accepting all of the information without criticising it. When recorder players were so mad about twoset’s jokes I didn’t understand cuz I knew that they were just joking. But that’s because I’ve played the recorder, I didn’t consider what views would people who know nothing about this instrument now have. Also for the world’s useless records, it’s just nasty to degrade things that people love and spend so much effort to work on. I absolutely agree that twoset is now an icon of classical musician and they really should understand how their words can impact people, therefore be more considerable sometimes. It’s very brave for u to make a video like this and thank u for making us more aware of this. (Pls bear with my poor English lol)
Hell. The football club I support (Manchester United) is trolled by literally everyone. The bands is love(Linkin park and slipknot) are constantly trolled too cus "it ain't real metal".I don't get triggered and whine about it. You just have to take it in your stride and laugh it off🙄😐
is this your real voice??? :O
-no, it's my dog- yes
@@JustAnotherLingLingWannabe I CAN'T BELIEVE I FINISHED THE WHOLE VID! I WANT THIS TO BE A TERM PAPER LMAO
No this is patrick
Is it bad that I subbed to both this channel and TwoSetViolin? I get both their points since there is always controversy between the line between ignorantly spreading misinformation and deceiving your audience. Videos like these support either side but at the end of the day, I believe that even though it'll never really be gone, just be mindful of what you put on the internet in general (no matter how big your audience) and at least just put a disclaimer before each video so people won't misinterpret the information you're putting out (since like Just Another LIng LIng Wannabe said, the audience can't read your mind). Just remember everyone has bias of some sort so don't judge others harshly and to beware of what you put on the internet. I know this was long and thank you to everyone who stayed to read till the end.
I don't understand why ppl think that video is offensive? My brain keeps amazed by how twoset make recorder players flexin with their skill☺️ thank u twosetviolin for making all great recorder players coming out and exposing their skill to the world😳💙