Beef Short Ribs Oklahoma Joe's Rider DLX

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  • @TROYCOOKS
    @TROYCOOKS 4 роки тому +6

    I like the idea of adding some wine to the mix. Those ribs looked mighty fine Ricer! Cheers bro!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +3

      Hey thanks T-Roy!! I have to admit beef ribs are my favorite things to smoke and I was really happy that they turned out as good as they did with adding some of that Cabernet Sauvignon! Thanks for dropping in and leaving a comment bro, I really appreciate it! Be safe down there T-Roy!!!!

  • @LetsgetNuszBBQ
    @LetsgetNuszBBQ 4 роки тому +1

    Great video buddy! And you’re right, I don’t want to miss the bloopers! I’m glad that the DLX is working out for you

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hey thanks Jake! Ya the DLX is doing mighty fine so far! Thanks for enjoying the bloopers!! hahaha be safe!

  • @jasoncrose4328
    @jasoncrose4328 4 роки тому +2

    Great. Now I have to venture out into the COVID populous to get beef ribs! Shouldn't be a problem, all we've got down here is livestock and corn anyhow. At least all our snow is gone. He he he. Awesome vid, looked like fun! That two hour rest had to be murder. Surprised there was wine left to test the pairing! Ah, the power of editing. You and the fam stay safe, keep up the good work. I'm sure using the new grill more and more. Still learning, you're a big help!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Robert! Ya grab the hazmat suit and head out and pick up a couple racks! hahaha Ya it was torture waiting but it was worth the wait for sure! I appreciate you stopping in and leaving a comment! Glad my content is helping out bro! Be safe bro and have a good night!

  • @TheDawgfathasBBQ
    @TheDawgfathasBBQ 4 роки тому +1

    Beef ribs! Yeah buddy!!!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Heck ya Dawg!! I could eat these weekly, seriously beef ribs are the bomb! Thanks for dropping in and be safe down there bro!

  • @DennisWarner
    @DennisWarner 4 роки тому +1

    Love your videos!! I’m very new to the smoke/ pellet world and have a lot to learn. I’ve done two cooks on my DLX and I like it but I have a good amount of issues with it (it’s not set it and forget it) I look forward to learning more from people like you about this grill. Thank you.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      So far I have been pretty happy with mine Dennis! Only thing I have noticed that it runs a little hotter than what you are trying to set the temps at. I have done some pretty long cooks on it and when i am not filming I let it ride for 2 hours because I typically spritz anyways. Thanks for watching and glad you enjoy the videos! Next up a brisket, then I am doing a few charcoal cooks again but I will be back on the Rider!

  • @lukedean6644
    @lukedean6644 4 роки тому +1

    I’ve been binge watching your videos for 2 days! Love the channel and the quality is crazy good! Keep on keeping on!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Awesome and thank you Luke!! Glad you enjoy my content!! More cooks coming and even going back to some charcoal soon! Thanks again brother!

  • @robertfitzpatrick4618
    @robertfitzpatrick4618 4 роки тому +1

    I started with a zgrill 700e and then won a shit boss kc platinum after three of those warranty pits I went to the oj dlx and so far so good. I think I’m gonna try some beef ribs this weekend with my Clayton bigsby rub!
    Thanks for sharing the video looks awesome

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Good luck Robert with the DLX! There can be some small issues at times with them but most people are having good luck! Beef ribs are awesome, my favorite!! Have a great week and thanks for watching!!

  • @Backporch_bbq
    @Backporch_bbq 4 роки тому +3

    Excellent looking ribs.
    Great tip on checking your hopper for pellets. I've ran out before mid cook not paying attention or filling it before starting the cook. Haha kinda sucks to have to pull the meat and reset the grill. Thanks for sharing 👍👍

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Ya Bubba once you get in the habit to check it it just becomes second nature! Thanks for dropping in and leaving a comment! Have a great day and be safe!!

    • @Backporch_bbq
      @Backporch_bbq 4 роки тому

      Oh for sure. Its a habit now. Can't have that happening again.

  • @kennytaylor5531
    @kennytaylor5531 4 роки тому +1

    Had same issue with heat difference between the racks and the main grate I did decide to run around 25° cooler when useing the racks

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Ya it is ok. Most cookers have some different heat zones but once you figure them out it is easy to adjust your cooking style!! Have a great week Kenny!

  • @DanielSalazar-rd3cj
    @DanielSalazar-rd3cj 4 роки тому +2

    I noticed my Rider burns 45-50 degrees hotter on the right side.
    Nice looking beef ribs! 👍🏼

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Ya Daniel mine was like that until I got a new igniter rod?!?! Not really sure how that changed things but it did. Mine runs about 25 degrees hotter. Thanks for watching and have a Happy New Years!!

  • @brianveestrom6784
    @brianveestrom6784 4 роки тому +2

    Hey Ricer, I noticed a temp difference from the grate level to the upper grate on my Traeger similar to what you saw. After the seasoning built up inside the pit I have noticed the temperature profile has gotten closer to the controller set point. Grate level is dead on now. This has been a public service announcement to get people to stop cleaning their pits. If you read this on the internet it must be true. Beef ribs FTW. You need a bumper sticker that says "Loud Pipes Ruin My Audio Tracks" Thanks for the cook Jeff.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hey thanks Brian!! YA still a new cooker and I agree needs to break in a little more but still very happy with how the DLX preforms!! Hahahah ya never fails when I start to record, I either got some loud muffler or some loud bird that is begging for some hot lead!! hahaha Thanks for watching bro and be safe!

    • @jasoncrose4328
      @jasoncrose4328 4 роки тому +1

      ...."start seeing BBQ videos" heh

  • @BehindtheGarageBBQ
    @BehindtheGarageBBQ 4 роки тому +2

    Those ribs looked slamming Ricer! Wine in the braise took them to the next level, great video,thanks for sharing, and stay safe brother!👍

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Craig and ya I was so happy with the flavor I will always braise beef ribs with a little wine!! Really gave them an extra little pop!! Thanks for watching and you also stay clear of the sneezes!!

  • @CookingwithStephennJacklyn
    @CookingwithStephennJacklyn 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Ricer those Short Beef Ribs looks absolutely scrumptious and I'm sure the wine took the flavor to the next level. Thanks for sharing my brother stay safe.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Ya Stephen I have done beef ribs many times but with that SA rub and the wine it really could be the best tasing beef ribs I ever did! Thanks for watching and have a great week bro!!

  • @DaveDabomb
    @DaveDabomb 4 роки тому +1

    Nice looking beef ribs Ricer!
    And, oh yeah… The wine is a must!
    Great cook and review.
    Love the bloopers at the end!
    TFS!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hey bro and thanks for dropping in and leaving a comment! Hope all is good and be safe!

  • @deplorableredneck4.02
    @deplorableredneck4.02 3 роки тому +1

    Glad I found your channel..I will start my grill at a lower heat then raise if needed..thanks

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  3 роки тому +2

      Heck ya!!! Just watch those temps dude and you will be fine!!! Great pit and I never really had much for issues with it!! Thanks for watching!!

  • @PicklesBBQandCooking
    @PicklesBBQandCooking 4 роки тому +4

    Those beef ribs look dang good Ricer, nice job adding the wine it braises well and adds flavor. Awesome video brother!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Charley!! I am really happy I dumped a little wine in that braising sauce for sure! Probably will do that more often!! I am excited to see you start cooking on your Rider DLX soon! Take care bro and be safe out there!

  • @wheelspinner20
    @wheelspinner20 4 роки тому +1

    Enjoy the videos! Thanks. Suggestion. Maybe in the written information you could summarize the check times and total them all up so that I can refer back to the comments instead of having to take notes. At the end of the video I really have no idea what the total cook time was. Thanks. Just got my OKJ Rider 900 and I am anxious to learn.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      I will do my best to give you that info! Main thing is probe tender and every pit is different so I try to give you check times and when I am closing in on the finish point I give you an idea what temp I start checking for probe tenderness. I typically run at 250° for about 6ish hours in the Rider but it always depends on the thickness and what temp you are actually cooking at at grate level. Just be patient and a good average final temp is 205°. Good luck and your 900 will run different than the DLX but you got this!!! Thanks for watching!!

  • @jeremyporter7141
    @jeremyporter7141 4 роки тому +1

    I got me a DXL after seeing your videos. I'm new to smoking. Mine run around 60 -100 degrees too high and they are sending me a new auger to see if that fixes the issue. Has yours been fixed yet?

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hmmm no but I have changed out the ignitor and the LCD went out on the controller so I swapped that out also!! Hope the auger helps out and mine always runs about 50 over!! Maybe I need to give them a call but let me know if it helps out on yours!!

  • @Wyatt274
    @Wyatt274 Рік тому +1

    Central Wisconsin for the win

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  Рік тому +2

      heck ya brother!! Thanks for watching!!!

    • @Wyatt274
      @Wyatt274 Рік тому

      Is that where you buy brisket from?

  • @BBQPITDOG
    @BBQPITDOG 4 роки тому +2

    Beef ribs are king! Good job bud....liked the addition of the wine!!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Ya I might add some wine all the time now! It really did give them just a little different but good taste! Take care Rob and thanks for watching!!

  • @GreenhornBBQbeer
    @GreenhornBBQbeer 4 роки тому +3

    Those are a beauty! Nicely done Ricer! Cheers!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Todd! Ya these turned out pretty dang good and next time I will cook them at a little lower temp and get just a little more smokey flavor but I was shocked how good the wine went with them for sure! Take care bro!!

    • @GreenhornBBQbeer
      @GreenhornBBQbeer 4 роки тому +1

      @@DeadBrokeBBQ Don't be shocked, wine goes with everything except corduroy jeans!

  • @Wyatt274
    @Wyatt274 Рік тому +1

    Maybe a dumb question, but can you unplug the probe and run the cord through?

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  Рік тому

      Sorry not sure what you are referring too?? I made this video a long time ago. Thanks for watching!!

    • @Wyatt274
      @Wyatt274 Рік тому +1

      @@DeadBrokeBBQ the probe holes going through the cooking chamber; you said they weren’t large enough to fit the probe through. Are they large enough to fit the plugs through?
      Of course man gotta help the fellow Wisconsinites out

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  Рік тому +1

      @@Wyatt274 oh ya I remember that now. My Thermoworks signals both ends are thick. Because of the cord thickness and the plugs or probe ends are really thick I could only get a couple through the small port on the side of that pit. Most box store pits have skinny meat probes so you can get all of them through. Thanks for the reminder and glad to have fellow gawd country folks subscribed to the channel!!!

  • @LagomEats
    @LagomEats 4 роки тому +2

    Your camera did its job! Those look SO nice and tender 🤤 love your energy!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Why thank you! Ya we really like smoked beef ribs around here and these turned out great!! Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment! Be safe!!

  • @Viewtoagrill
    @Viewtoagrill 4 роки тому +3

    I actually enjoy beef ribs more than pork ribs. These look awesome Ricer! Awesome video! Take care bro!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      I agree Johnny! I like them both but if I could only choose 1 I am going with the beefers! Hope all is well down there and be safe bro!!

  • @LabH2ODawg
    @LabH2ODawg 4 роки тому +1

    Those beef ribs look outstanding Ricer 🤤

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you Jeff and give it a try sometime! I was really happy with the taste of these for sure!! Never added any wine to smoked beef and it turned out dang tasty! Thanks for watching and be safe bro!

  • @madwoodbbq3834
    @madwoodbbq3834 4 роки тому +1

    THOSE RIBS TURNED OUT GREAT LOOKING

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Terry and I really think from now on I will add a little red wine to the bracing sauce because wow it just gave it a little bit of extra flavor!!! Thanks for watching and be safe brother!

  • @twoods555
    @twoods555 3 роки тому +1

    Honestly how do you like Ok joe DL pellet grill ?
    I’m thinking about buying one but the reviews not so great! But the cooks look awesome! How you like vs your pit boss ?

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  3 роки тому +1

      Prior to the new release of the Pit Boss Pro Series my vote was for the Rider but now with the PB having a PID controller I would steer you towards the new Pro Series 1150 or even the 1600. The DLX still has the better sear plate but man having a PID controller in a box store cooker is a HUGE step forward! Thanks for watching and let me know what direction you go!!

    • @twoods555
      @twoods555 3 роки тому +1

      @@DeadBrokeBBQ Thanks for responding ... I have had the pit boss 1150 the PID controller was not working correctly wasn’t holding temps, and I called them several times but they said it was a defective and they had a lot of complaints, suggested I take it back to Lowe’s...I’ve owned other pellet grills in the past so I understand how to manage them.. however this was Ridiculous! I sent it back and was thinking about the PB 1600 they said it’s the same controller but they fixes the issues! Really like your videos!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  3 роки тому +1

      Yes I was told they had a bad batch of controllers but what I heard is you send the controller in and in 4 days they will have it back to you. FYI I replaced the igniter and the controller on my DLX so all of these box store cookers are tricky. I will say the best pellet grill to date has been the Smoke Daddy Pellet Pro 1190. It is incredible how good it runs!!! It costs more but it is worth every penny IMO!!!

  • @CampHouseAdventures
    @CampHouseAdventures 4 роки тому +2

    Dayummm good looking ribs and that sa is packed with flavor for a season all and I bet the wine was great as a braising liquid definitelygonna give it a try great cook and a awesome share brother

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Eric and ya I wanted to do these and keep the seasoning simple and with the SA, Beef Spritz and the Cabernet Sauvignon it was amazing!! Of course I love a bunch of rub and flavors added but these I wanted to taste the beef but add a little something else to them! Good stuff for sure and I will do it this way next time also! Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment and beside down there bro!

  • @melonhead49
    @melonhead49 4 роки тому +1

    golly I love beef ribs

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Me too!! I actually got a couple more videos on what I call beefers coming up for the next couple weeks! Have a great weekend!!

  • @daddydutchbbq
    @daddydutchbbq 4 роки тому +3

    He’s going to lose a toe.....lol ! Beautiful beefers Ricer !

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Hahaha I always told my boys when they were young those were cow toes!!! hahaha Thanks for watching Kent and be safe bro!!

  • @1984BBQ
    @1984BBQ 4 роки тому +2

    Those beef ribs looked delicious ... packed with flavor from those rubs. Great job Ricer stay safe

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Hey thanks John! I appreciate you stopping in and leaving a comment bro! Ya this Corona stuff is getting boring! ha ha take care and be safe!

  • @thegalleryBBQ
    @thegalleryBBQ 4 роки тому +2

    I got my eyes on some beef ribs. Nice job brother.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Tommy! Ya beef ribs are actually my favorite thing to smoke lately! Thanks for watching bro and be safe!!

  • @johnnymagsbbq8209
    @johnnymagsbbq8209 4 роки тому +3

    Awesome! I need some beef ribs for sure.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      YA Johnny they are better than brisket IMO!! Thanks for watching bro and be safe!!

  • @TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ
    @TomHorsmanAmateurBBQ 4 роки тому +2

    Lookin good Ricer! Awesome lookin Bones!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Tom!! Have a great day and be safe down there!!

  • @NorthTexasBBQAddicts
    @NorthTexasBBQAddicts 4 роки тому +1

    Maaaan sign me up for some of those brother!!! Beef on beef on beef

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hahaha ya Kenneth these were an awesome treat! They didn't last long either! ha ha Thanks for dropping in brother and be safe!

  • @MoonshinesRoadhouse
    @MoonshinesRoadhouse 4 роки тому +2

    Nice Beef Ribs Brother !! I love some good beef ribs Man and those looked Great !! I'm going to have to braise some like that !
    I'm DROOLING over here Lol !! The new OKJ cranked out some good eats... Great job Jeff !! Cheers !! 👍🍻

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hey thanks Sean!! Ya these turned out great and I have to say I think I will be braising beef with a little red wine more often!! Now go get yourself a couple rack and give them a whirl on the Bronco!! Hope you are having a great weekend and be safe Sean!!

  • @papado0f
    @papado0f 4 роки тому +2

    Those ribs look big yummy 🤤

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Hey thanks MR.!! They were fantastic!! Thanks for stopping in and leaving a comment brother! Be safe!

  • @user-qr6ki6vh4l
    @user-qr6ki6vh4l 4 роки тому +1

    Good video chap I'm looking at uping my game in the world of bbq, as us Brits do pretty crappie bbq so hopefully I can up the standard of British bbq 🤘😎🤘

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Awesome!! You can do this!! Be the first in your area to crush out some good questions and you will become a rockstar!! Thanks for watching and be safe over there!!

  • @casinosnoopy9900
    @casinosnoopy9900 3 роки тому +1

    Yea, those looked good dude.

  • @sonnygeesbbq2725
    @sonnygeesbbq2725 4 роки тому +1

    Great looking beef ribs fantastic video

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Sonny!! I hope all is good over there and be safe bro!

  • @cv2633
    @cv2633 4 роки тому +1

    Love your personality brother, and amazing looking food!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you for watching!! I really appreciate you leaving a message and be safe!

  • @ArizonaRE
    @ArizonaRE 4 роки тому +2

    Nicely done! I'll be doing beef ribs on the OKJ Highland tomorrow B-)

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Awesome dude! Thanks you! Ya beefers are pretty popular around this household! Enjoy and stay safe bro!

  • @ComparisonCooking
    @ComparisonCooking 4 роки тому +2

    Another Great video Ricer, I still jack up beef ribs, can’t cook them worth a damn🤷‍♂️😂 I’ll just drink the red wine!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Hahaha Kevin well practice makes perfect and if you drink the wine they for sure will taste good!! hahaha Thanks for dropping in and be safe out there!!

  • @brianconner2101
    @brianconner2101 4 роки тому +1

    Nice job buddy !! Great video !!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Brian!! Thanks for leaving a comment and stay safe bro!!

  • @Doitforyoself
    @Doitforyoself 4 роки тому +1

    At least you can see the smoke work in this DLX. My Treager looks like the smoke doesn't even exist yet the rep for treager says it's a light blue smoke that can barely be seen. HUH? ok.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Ha ha well that is kind of true on the blue smoke but if you don’t have much smoke flavor then back the temps down some. They should all smoke up some when they drop some new pellets. Keep tweaking it and thanks for watching!

  • @benstrauss6376
    @benstrauss6376 4 роки тому +1

    Do you like the rider more than the pitboss?

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Well Ben they are both great cookers but with the sear zone I have to pick the Rider! Thanks for watching and be safe!

  • @billmyers4330
    @billmyers4330 4 роки тому +2

    Nice video ricer!

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you bud!! Glad you enjoyed it!! Be safe out there!

  • @bryancrawford7633
    @bryancrawford7633 4 роки тому +1

    Great job..brotha

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks Bryan, glad you enjoyed it and these beef ribs were awesome!

  • @johnhorsley7928
    @johnhorsley7928 4 роки тому +1

    Just looked for the use of the deep dish pan for something on UA-cam. There is nothing. Oklahoma joe should help you with that too. I think paella would be great. Good luck. Thanks for all the 411.

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      I didn't use the deep dish but I used the griddle in this video and wow did I get a sear on this one!!! Thanks for watching!! ua-cam.com/video/A_IP2mFk-R8/v-deo.html

    • @johnhorsley7928
      @johnhorsley7928 4 роки тому +1

      Just did your beef ribs. Also Boston butt and chicken thighs today. Going to make Brunswick stew tomorrow for my work mates. I joyed your videos on the Oklahoma Joe’s Rider DLX and that is why I purchased one for Christmas. Merry Christmas to you and your’s. Thanks

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +1

      @@johnhorsley7928 Awesome John!!! Glad to hear you are using this war machine!!! Just remember you can accomplish every type of cooking there but sometimes it just takes a couple attempts to crush it!!! Merry Christmas to you and yours also brother!!!

  • @dwalt6095
    @dwalt6095 4 роки тому +1

    Oaklahoma joe Ryder dlx vs pitt boss 1100????

    • @DeadBrokeBBQ
      @DeadBrokeBBQ  4 роки тому +2

      Well both very similar but if I could only keep 1 I would keep the Rider just because of that sear zone!!! Now they both smoke about the same so that is pretty much a tie but on the Rider I like the 3rd rack. I hope this helps!!! Thanks for watching Dave and have a great week!!