@ every single one that UA-cam popped into my feed was unashamed promotion/thinly disguised ad. I am sure that there were those like you trying to be honest, but you cannot game the algorithm as effectively as giant corporation and its happily willing collaborators can.
@@LemonCake101 Honestly, glad you did. People get so wrapped up in worrying about youtubers being 'bought' that it gets kind of crazy. If you liked the game, you liked the game. I like plenty of jank games that are a lot worse than Civ7's. I mean hell I played 2d dwarf fort for ages.
@ dwarf fort is fun :) But yeah no absolutely a lot of jank and a lot of monetization innovations I was not a fan off; I primarly focused on the issues with upcoming monatization. With that said; my question was 'did I enjoy the game that was in front of me' and the answer was yes I enjoyed playing it.
Nothing in this video is wrong, but it leaves out a problem that has plagued Civ for most of its existence: the number of inputs you need to to something is stupidly inflated compared to good UI. In addition to all the other nonsense, you can and will lose over an hour per game (possibly much more) waiting for it or fumbling through several times the inputs a good UI design would have required. Unfortunately, this problem existed in previous versions and never got fixed by any official patch. Civ 4 was the only civ to invest effort into it, and it showed. A person with a bit of experience can manage 50-100 cities in Civ 4 faster than 300 APM Starcraft players could manage 20 in Civ 6. This does not bode well for Civ 7 ever addressing it. The devs told us UI wasn't a priority. My response to this: "neither is your game". I MIGHT pick it up on sale, whenever that happens. It's a shame that it's come to this. I made hundreds of videos on Civ at one point, now I barely play it. Bad UI seems to plague TBS game devs in particular. It's not some lost art though; other game genres have implemented average-to-excellent UIs, both in presentation and QoL input efficiency, pretty much from the early 1990s until now. Civ 4 proved that with a little effort, you can speed up TBS a great deal. EU 4 proved that you can also make their Pdox style strategy games better QoL, though it took them 10+ years...which sadly is still faster than Civ 5 or probably 6 lol. It seems like for the most part, strategy devs don't care about their UI, and neither do their fans, until it gets really bad. Although the complaints of "end game slows down" are often UI complaints in disguise, since end game turns take forever in large part due to objectively crappy UI (from input perspective, presentation is subjective. How many clicks/button presses you need isn't).
I watched some of his 2 hours long video of gameplay and omg what a shill. If it's bad - be fucking harsher, you're literally a beta-tester except you are not being payed.
The people who spent over 100 dollars on the early access are probably the most discerning ones too, the hardcore civ fans. I dunno if the more casual players that come afterwards will be as negative, it's hard to say. As a eurojank enjoyer I'm usually not bothered by problems like the ones you mentioned, but then again other janky games are usually made by smaller teams and don't demand a premium price tag. Stuff like the misaligned arrows just looks unprofessional.
@@asgarzigel agree, I am concerned that the casuals who didn't pay a premium to get advanced access are going to lap it up because it has become clear that most people will put up with anything in games.
Meanwhile you can't enter the Civ reddit without inhaling a lethal dose of copium. You can't even speak against the company for doing this without being censored by the mods.
This is not true at all. I have been criticizing a lot of the game as well as praising some aspects on r/civ and it’s mostly negative there. So blatantly not true
I think it isn't about a fear of pissing off the audience, it is about a fear of pissing off the company giving them early access. It means you might not be given a preview of future content and thus lose out on the opportunity to make videos about that content which means it damages your income as a content creator.
It baffles me how civ7 empires feels like city states compared to civ3 for example, everything looks small and the continenets are horrible, its like controling 1-2 cities and a bunch of towns when against a couple of civs, when in civ3 at the same historical age we are managing dozens of cities without problem against a lot of other civs with beautiful shaped continents or islands. After all this years I was thinking civ would start to get bigger and bigger, but no. They dont even are bold enough to try scrapping all the turn-based system for a real time system or tick based system.
It also has performance issues when you load a previous game instead of exiting the app and then reopening/loading (gets choppy as hell). It's sad to see how the AAA industry is getting worse each year.
I was gifted CIV III when I turned 9, and played it constantly after school. So just simply imagine the continuous drop in basic curiosity and intelligent intrigue throughout the series, especially from 5 ,6 and now 7. No way I am getting this. Literal waste of time. CIV 5 is overall ok and what I regard as the last CIV worth messing around in.
People forget that Civ 5 was also pretty ass on launch, really every launch in the series has been plagued by major issues that were ironed out later. Even the last titles considered uncontroversially "good" by the fanbase now weren't in their good state until they got some fixes. This isn't to say that you should buy Civ 7- you shouldn't yet - but rather that the problem with this game is in company incentives to push this shit out before it's done baking. Every single person who acts like "woke" is the problem with this game is just as gullible as the people shelling out for this unfinished game because a youtuber paid by the devs said so and I'm so fucking annoyed that we can't talk about games any more without THOSE people crawling out from the woodwork. The industry is in a fucking ABYSMAL state! Civ 8 is probably going to have lootboxes or gacha pulls for leaders at this rate. Good video Suede, I hope someone important listens to it.
-Saw Civ 7 was being released. Big hype -Saw mixed reviews on steam, decided to read some of them -Pure disappointment It really is a shame. Typical game devs who invent solutions to problems that don't exist. Back to civ 3 we go
I'm glad my negative review helped spare at least one person from this. Civ 7 is a mess. There's definitely still the potential any civ game has, but right now it's just not playable.
I’m a developer, imho those janky lines are just humiliating. That shouldn’t be hard to fix - and there’s ZERO excuse to ship something like that. The polish appear to be nonexistent . I wonder how much of the code was generated by AI haha
As a Civ 3 loyalist looking at Civ 7's UI was stressing me out. There's like zero effort to consolidate information to make the screen easy to read at a glance. Boggles my mind.
nonono, they consolidated the techs tho!!! And made arrows unreadable. Im taking civ6 tech tree with massive spaces inbetween techs and tech columns any day over this.
Wait Victoria 3 was shit too at the release? Let me guess they will fix it with bunch of fuvkin overpriced DLC xD I stopped supporting Paradox after the Cities 2
I'm increasingly inclined to believe that Civ 5 (in the form of Unciv) is going to be my last Civ game. The newer ones don't give me any real incentive to play them at this stage...
I had some serious misgivings with Civ VI and a reason why I didn't buy it was I didn't like the artstyle of the units and UI, but I need to apologize retroactively because Civ VII's units, UI, and map are all so cluttered.
Literally my reaction. Before civ7 i always thought of civ6 as good, but with ass visuals, and if it just had civ5 skin streched over it it would be a lot better. But after looking at some civ7 videos.... perhaps i treated 6th too harshly..
Thanks for this review, Suede. I was excited about Civ VII, but I suspected that it might be wise to wait. You're pretty even handed when analyzing other entries in the Civ franchise, so I knew your review would be a fair assessment. Appreciate the advice, even if it's disappointing.
It is a real shame to see a series like the Civilization one to be so unable to react to feedback and roll good life quality improvements from previous series into a new title. How did this even make it as release? Its like an early beta version :(
If only they had had the last 8 years to work on this, maybe some of this could have been avoided. Also I am unfollowing and "Do not recommend channel" every single Civ creator who said this game was fine. What a bunch of shills and grifters.
I lost my second city to nonexistant opponent. I built five scouts; I don't know where they are, and I can't see where they are moving in the first 15 minutes. I've never actively returned a game with so much passion and dissapointment.
Coming from civ5 and 6, i never recognised how massive unit icons hard carried readability. Civ7 just made everything into even more of a mess of colors and got rid of big icons, so how am i supposed to tell where tf units are? Thank god they wont let me buy this from here, it's not like i would.
Civ VI was actually pretty good on release. Meanwhile, Civ V on release was a buggy mess, but a lot of Civ fans seem to have forgotten just how bad it was because it ended up as arguably the best game in the series after the expansions.
Reminder that this is the 1.0 release. Not early access. this is the "full" game. Anyhow, pay up for the DLC that brings basic features in about a month, and then probably every month...
On another note, I hate the colour palette and overall visual design of the UI. The map colours look muted, except sea tiles that for some reason are neon blue, idk maybe sounds like nitpick but it doesn’t look good imo, plus the icons on the map, idk it doesn’t look easily readable. Most of the UI is grey.
In so many ways this feels like a welcome to Civ kinda of thing. Civ 5 and 6 were absolutely terrible at release. Civ 7 will probably end up being a 10/10 game a year from now. I'm just shocked that people who bought it didn't realize that it was going to be a unfinished(ish) and somewhat buggy game.
UI is utter trash, including some basic things like clicking to a diff settlement while zoomed in on one. Religion system is so dumbed down its painful, and the "holy city" being impenetrable is stupid. The tech/civic tree needs a ton of work, its so strange having no wonder to build for extended periods of time. There is some weird janky shit like being in a war alongside an ally and right when ur about to take enemy's city, the enemy gives that city to your ally and both declare peace. There is virtually no data shown anywhere like how do I see my list of units or browse my units or even see where my yields are coming from within a settlement. Overall, everything right now seems very dumbed down and bare bones. Scaling settler costs? Fuck you we just going to put a hardcap on your settlements (imagine being at war and forced to raze because of settlement cap) And finally the "quests" system where you fill out the bars feels very dumbed down. not having "fortify unit" option also feels sad
2k never releases finished games. A non-open world game like civ 7, CK3, etc where it's more like a board game should not cost $60-70+ in the 1st place because open world has been the standard for a long time. Thanks to rockstar. It's 2025, so a company needs to step up to give us a complete empire building game with an open world and everything else. A good start would be the companies behind Mount & blade 2 bannerlord and Crusader kings 3 to collab on a game. I doubt I'm the only one who is craving an open world game that allows us to fight real time battles while also having the depth of crusader kings 3 or greater. These giant companies have the resources, so they need to stop fooling around and give us what we want. Civ 7 might be on sale around black Friday, but maybe only for around $50 because 2k is one of the greediest companies of all time and they always add the bare minimum to "new" games. I'm so fed up with these giant companies that I'm beyond ready for new companies to rise.
Just a tip for people wanting to scratch the Civ itch. Both Humankind and Age of wonders 4 are great 4x games released recently. They are in many aspects much better than the Civ franchise and cost a fraction of the Civ 7 price. My personal favorite is AoW 4.
In terms of gameplay, there are good changes, army commanders and navy commanders are very nice (no clue about the air commanders, didn´t get to use them in my first game), no workers is a mixed bag, its nice not having to micro them but repairing is now a city/town action which takes a lot more micro and is more finicky than it was before, Boat have actual uses now that the game has the "exploration age" and it really does give a feeling of expanding over the seas which was often lacking in many games in CIV 6, leaders and civs have better effects than in the last games. On the bad, religion is shit, the UI is a crime against nature in every way, governments are much worse than before, traders are worse, there are no real districts and due to the new art style, while they look nice they make trying to see where would be good spots for bonuses REALLY hard if you forget where you built what, policy cards are just boring compared to CIV 6, age transition is an interesting if badly executed system, trading is a joke, peace deals are a joke, resource allocation is badly executed. The game has potential but no one should buy a game based on its potential, i would suggest wait a year or two and check back or buy it on a good sale.
"Boat have actual uses now that the game has the "exploration age" and it really does give a feeling of expanding over the seas which was often lacking in many games" Now i'll break it for you, but just play Terra. It exists in civ5 and 6, dunno about 4 and lower, it's probably the same experience. If not - then Continents are.
Thank you for your honesty the entire way through. Thank you for touching on the paid actors reviewing this game. I almost spent 130.00 usd due to the half-baked truths being shilled by some content creators.
i have played for 3 days straight and i can say its really good, the best version so far in the history of Civ, the UI is great and it does not crash at all on PC, i would say buy it now dont wait its almost perfect
I play on Nintendo switch and I am so happy I did not buy it. I was ready to buy the founders Edition the moment it was available for purchase. But I learned a valuable lesson from buying the DLC ahead of time for The Long Dark. Even though the long dark had a couple bugs the game was playable. Once I installed the DLC, when you tried leaving the current region you were in the game freezes. If you can't travel from region to region in the long dark you will die it makes the game unplayable. The game has been broken like this since the summer about 8 months now. Not to mention the last two parts of the DLC still aren't out on switch yet although they've been out for every other platform. So now I bought a $25 DLC that's incomplete and broke the game. So I'm out the 25 bucks and the price of the game.
These thousands of early access reviews are likely from civ fans too, so if half of them think the game is garbage in its current state and the other half being critical but optimistic about it, it’s gonna be interesting to see what the casuals have to say. I myself don’t buy games early access, I arrive late at the party when everything’s patched and the game’s cheaper.
It does feel like its still in beta. But I do like the game. There should be more options both remove animations and victory conditions and added maps I really miss not playing on differant versions of earth.
That's what I said about the reviewers in my steam rant of the review. I play mostly multiplayer. You know what they didn't fix? Desyncs. In a turn...based ..game. Money grab, that's all. Garbage launch of the year
even if they fix bugs and lower price I will still not buy this game. I don't like whole era switching experience with forced crisis/ change civ/ progress reset. It's unfixable because whole game is built around this, thats why this ends my history of playing civ games forever.
Not touching civ 7 with a 7 foot barge pole. It looks like an over priced, halfed assed mess thats missing even basic features from previous civ games. Maybe worth a re-visit in 12 months or so, by which time it will hopefully be in a much better place bugs wise. More features complete, not missing so many civs and with a healthy discount. There's plenty of other decent games to spend time on.
They should just do Alpha Centauri remake/remaster. I am a long time Civ player. And I have ZERO interest in Civ7. I just dont care. Its just another rethinking of Civ5 all over again with 1000 of DLCs coming for mindless consumers, who dont know what to do with their time and money. We already have Civ3/4/5/6. Enough! Im not even bother to pirate it. Its just a pointless game to me. Dont buy it. Or buy. And suffer, like a corporate peon you are.
You can tell from the trailer alone that Sid was held at gunpoiny when making this game..i knew the moment i saw the trailer that it was gonna suck. I dont understand why they just cant make Civ 3 but with hd graphics and more civs.
That's not unique to civ7. Every game in the last 10 years is a playable beta with the customer as unpaid QA. That's especially so after physical PC media disappeared. Meanwhile, CIV3 can be installed from it's original disk and played on Windows 10.
In a lot of ways this is the right perspective. This is just how games of any major size are going to be released. Or they can do the BG3 thing and have a 2 year paid EA beta tester thing that people are willing to pay to be a part of. All these games that a huge always suck at release and most get fixed and become very good. But if you want to buy at release like understand whats it probably going to be.
When I saw the 70 Euroes price tag which is here around 85 euro after taxation or in perspective 1/5 of PS5 Console and then saw the garbage gameplay, shitty UI and the passable graphics. My first question was How much and where did the money they put into this game went if you charge us premium. There are games like God Of War Ragnarok, Kingdom Come Deliverance II, Black Myth Wukong and they charge 60. Where is that 4A quality with the money you asking for. Fuckin greedy morons. I am not touching that.
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A game made by AI and DEI hires is terrible.................thats rare, lmao
It seems like you had similar issues with the other games, it's a bit odd to me that you'd buy the $100 version as someone who was skeptical in the first place lol
On the bright side, good times for those of us who really haven't liked the direction of the franchise since Civ 4. Thank you for an honest review, Suede.
I disagree that the game is unfinished. That's a massive overstatement imo. At worst, the UI is unfinished. In my 12 hours of playing, I haven't experienced a single recognizable bug aside from a leader screen getting stuck open (because I was clicking on it between the turns loading). Do not buy if you're unhappy with what you've heard. Or do. Whatever.
The UI is part of the game, no? If the UI is unfinished, then logically the game is unfinished. Stop trying to rationalise this into somehow being ok in a £60 AAA game. It is not.
Ever since their first reveal, I've been saying this game would flop. It is a classic tale of corporate minimalism. Firaxis no longer cares about their product or playerbase, they only want to make money
Civ seems to have just died as a whole for me lately, awful 7 launch, 5 literally will not launch anymore, they did something to make that happen but I haven't looked too deep into it, 3 just crashes and is bug riddled on steam, 4 I don't have on steam because I have it on disc on the spare computer that actually has a disc drive but can't bring myself to go and boot that thing up just to play 4, or 3 too I guess as I've always had it on disc as well and only picked it up on steam for a little over a single igloo money, and 6 well...even at 6 igloo monies and a gun to my head I just couldn't convince myself to part with all those loonies in exchange for...well that shit.
Remember every “creator” who pushed this shit hard, when the access was controlled by take2/firaxis
I was one of them and I pointed out from then the problems, too much noise on the internet
... I liked the game, despite the jank :(
@ every single one that UA-cam popped into my feed was unashamed promotion/thinly disguised ad. I am sure that there were those like you trying to be honest, but you cannot game the algorithm as effectively as giant corporation and its happily willing collaborators can.
@@LemonCake101 Honestly, glad you did. People get so wrapped up in worrying about youtubers being 'bought' that it gets kind of crazy. If you liked the game, you liked the game. I like plenty of jank games that are a lot worse than Civ7's. I mean hell I played 2d dwarf fort for ages.
@ dwarf fort is fun :)
But yeah no absolutely a lot of jank and a lot of monetization innovations I was not a fan off; I primarly focused on the issues with upcoming monatization. With that said; my question was 'did I enjoy the game that was in front of me' and the answer was yes I enjoyed playing it.
"Their audience?" No. "Their corporate overlords."
Nothing in this video is wrong, but it leaves out a problem that has plagued Civ for most of its existence: the number of inputs you need to to something is stupidly inflated compared to good UI. In addition to all the other nonsense, you can and will lose over an hour per game (possibly much more) waiting for it or fumbling through several times the inputs a good UI design would have required.
Unfortunately, this problem existed in previous versions and never got fixed by any official patch. Civ 4 was the only civ to invest effort into it, and it showed. A person with a bit of experience can manage 50-100 cities in Civ 4 faster than 300 APM Starcraft players could manage 20 in Civ 6. This does not bode well for Civ 7 ever addressing it.
The devs told us UI wasn't a priority. My response to this: "neither is your game". I MIGHT pick it up on sale, whenever that happens. It's a shame that it's come to this. I made hundreds of videos on Civ at one point, now I barely play it.
Bad UI seems to plague TBS game devs in particular. It's not some lost art though; other game genres have implemented average-to-excellent UIs, both in presentation and QoL input efficiency, pretty much from the early 1990s until now. Civ 4 proved that with a little effort, you can speed up TBS a great deal. EU 4 proved that you can also make their Pdox style strategy games better QoL, though it took them 10+ years...which sadly is still faster than Civ 5 or probably 6 lol.
It seems like for the most part, strategy devs don't care about their UI, and neither do their fans, until it gets really bad. Although the complaints of "end game slows down" are often UI complaints in disguise, since end game turns take forever in large part due to objectively crappy UI (from input perspective, presentation is subjective. How many clicks/button presses you need isn't).
bro this video was savage, 10/10
thank god people like you still exist, despite the efforts to remove you
Shame these smaller channels are all hidden behind the algorithm by all the bigger possitive youtubers that vomit shill.
Potato McWhisky made a 15 minute video screaming about the UI and that felt very appropriate
Potato McWhisky made 2 videos. 1 said it was a 0/10, the other was a 10/10. What a trusted source!
@@turtlewax3849 He intentionally made them "ironic" to not upset Take2.
Tell me you didn't watch those videos without telling me you didn't watch those videos.
@@Chaotic_Monk43 while also making a video saying that the game is great. Weak.
I watched some of his 2 hours long video of gameplay and omg what a shill. If it's bad - be fucking harsher, you're literally a beta-tester except you are not being payed.
The people who spent over 100 dollars on the early access are probably the most discerning ones too, the hardcore civ fans. I dunno if the more casual players that come afterwards will be as negative, it's hard to say.
As a eurojank enjoyer I'm usually not bothered by problems like the ones you mentioned, but then again other janky games are usually made by smaller teams and don't demand a premium price tag. Stuff like the misaligned arrows just looks unprofessional.
Other jank doesnt cost 70 dollars and doesnt wear the name of a big franchise
@@asgarzigel agree, I am concerned that the casuals who didn't pay a premium to get advanced access are going to lap it up because it has become clear that most people will put up with anything in games.
Meanwhile you can't enter the Civ reddit without inhaling a lethal dose of copium. You can't even speak against the company for doing this without being censored by the mods.
Idk on which reddit you are on, but in r/civ this is definitely not the case😂
This is not true at all. I have been criticizing a lot of the game as well as praising some aspects on r/civ and it’s mostly negative there. So blatantly not true
Its redit bro. They banned the fallout creator for correcting a bunch of losers.
I think it isn't about a fear of pissing off the audience, it is about a fear of pissing off the company giving them early access. It means you might not be given a preview of future content and thus lose out on the opportunity to make videos about that content which means it damages your income as a content creator.
Sorry for your wallet, your sacrifice will be remembered.
Shoutout to suede man this is disappointing
It baffles me how civ7 empires feels like city states compared to civ3 for example, everything looks small and the continenets are horrible, its like controling 1-2 cities and a bunch of towns when against a couple of civs, when in civ3 at the same historical age we are managing dozens of cities without problem against a lot of other civs with beautiful shaped continents or islands. After all this years I was thinking civ would start to get bigger and bigger, but no. They dont even are bold enough to try scrapping all the turn-based system for a real time system or tick based system.
It also has performance issues when you load a previous game instead of exiting the app and then reopening/loading (gets choppy as hell).
It's sad to see how the AAA industry is getting worse each year.
I was gifted CIV III when I turned 9, and played it constantly after school. So just simply imagine the continuous drop in basic curiosity and intelligent intrigue throughout the series, especially from 5 ,6 and now 7. No way I am getting this. Literal waste of time. CIV 5 is overall ok and what I regard as the last CIV worth messing around in.
This game was released so unfinished, you'd think Paradox had released it.
I'm glad my spidey senses told me to wait at least a year.
People forget that Civ 5 was also pretty ass on launch, really every launch in the series has been plagued by major issues that were ironed out later. Even the last titles considered uncontroversially "good" by the fanbase now weren't in their good state until they got some fixes. This isn't to say that you should buy Civ 7- you shouldn't yet - but rather that the problem with this game is in company incentives to push this shit out before it's done baking. Every single person who acts like "woke" is the problem with this game is just as gullible as the people shelling out for this unfinished game because a youtuber paid by the devs said so and I'm so fucking annoyed that we can't talk about games any more without THOSE people crawling out from the woodwork. The industry is in a fucking ABYSMAL state! Civ 8 is probably going to have lootboxes or gacha pulls for leaders at this rate.
Good video Suede, I hope someone important listens to it.
-Saw Civ 7 was being released. Big hype
-Saw mixed reviews on steam, decided to read some of them
-Pure disappointment
It really is a shame. Typical game devs who invent solutions to problems that don't exist. Back to civ 3 we go
I'm glad my negative review helped spare at least one person from this. Civ 7 is a mess. There's definitely still the potential any civ game has, but right now it's just not playable.
I’m a developer, imho those janky lines are just humiliating. That shouldn’t be hard to fix - and there’s ZERO excuse to ship something like that. The polish appear to be nonexistent . I wonder how much of the code was generated by AI haha
As a Civ 3 loyalist looking at Civ 7's UI was stressing me out. There's like zero effort to consolidate information to make the screen easy to read at a glance. Boggles my mind.
nonono, they consolidated the techs tho!!! And made arrows unreadable. Im taking civ6 tech tree with massive spaces inbetween techs and tech columns any day over this.
Echo chambers are crazy these days
I knew it was gonna be bad, but this is cataclysmical
How did I know this would be another victoria 3 situation?
Wait Victoria 3 was shit too at the release? Let me guess they will fix it with bunch of fuvkin overpriced DLC xD I stopped supporting Paradox after the Cities 2
I'm increasingly inclined to believe that Civ 5 (in the form of Unciv) is going to be my last Civ game. The newer ones don't give me any real incentive to play them at this stage...
I had some serious misgivings with Civ VI and a reason why I didn't buy it was I didn't like the artstyle of the units and UI, but I need to apologize retroactively because Civ VII's units, UI, and map are all so cluttered.
Literally my reaction. Before civ7 i always thought of civ6 as good, but with ass visuals, and if it just had civ5 skin streched over it it would be a lot better.
But after looking at some civ7 videos.... perhaps i treated 6th too harshly..
Thanks for this review, Suede. I was excited about Civ VII, but I suspected that it might be wise to wait. You're pretty even handed when analyzing other entries in the Civ franchise, so I knew your review would be a fair assessment. Appreciate the advice, even if it's disappointing.
Where is my shocked face
If I didn't spend 18 hours trying to enjoy it I would have put in for a refund. This game is beyond disappointing.
It is a real shame to see a series like the Civilization one to be so unable to react to feedback and roll good life quality improvements from previous series into a new title. How did this even make it as release? Its like an early beta version :(
I saw a video of swordsmen beating tanks. That was enough for me.
As yes, the paradox model of game development
except in paradox case it's usually just the lack of content, not general shittiness
I would love to hear from people who bought Founders Edition on the switch.
Why have newer games stop having beautiful, unique fonts?
If only they had had the last 8 years to work on this, maybe some of this could have been avoided.
Also I am unfollowing and "Do not recommend channel" every single Civ creator who said this game was fine. What a bunch of shills and grifters.
I lost my second city to nonexistant opponent. I built five scouts; I don't know where they are, and I can't see where they are moving in the first 15 minutes. I've never actively returned a game with so much passion and dissapointment.
Coming from civ5 and 6, i never recognised how massive unit icons hard carried readability. Civ7 just made everything into even more of a mess of colors and got rid of big icons, so how am i supposed to tell where tf units are? Thank god they wont let me buy this from here, it's not like i would.
I can't believe Civ 6, & Civ 7 were made by the same dev, it's like playing a cheap ripoff
Same story as Civ6, wait till the game is fixed and buy Civ7 on sale.
Civ VI was actually pretty good on release. Meanwhile, Civ V on release was a buggy mess, but a lot of Civ fans seem to have forgotten just how bad it was because it ended up as arguably the best game in the series after the expansions.
im not quite sure how salvagable is this one
In the era of Steam a new release is buggy and overpriced? The hell you say?
Reminder that this is the 1.0 release. Not early access. this is the "full" game. Anyhow, pay up for the DLC that brings basic features in about a month, and then probably every month...
In 2006 i went to buy a copy of Civ 4 and when i got home the disk in the Civ 4 box was a copy of Civ 3. I haven't bought another PC game since then.
On another note, I hate the colour palette and overall visual design of the UI.
The map colours look muted, except sea tiles that for some reason are neon blue, idk maybe sounds like nitpick but it doesn’t look good imo, plus the icons on the map, idk it doesn’t look easily readable.
Most of the UI is grey.
Thank you for not being a shill
It's refreshing to see an honest review on this game. The shilling is absolutely tiresome.
I'm honestly very excited about the game, and I'll definitely buy it *when it's a complete product, and not a day before*.
In so many ways this feels like a welcome to Civ kinda of thing. Civ 5 and 6 were absolutely terrible at release. Civ 7 will probably end up being a 10/10 game a year from now. I'm just shocked that people who bought it didn't realize that it was going to be a unfinished(ish) and somewhat buggy game.
i think its hella good...
Civ 4 legends of Revolutions or realism Invictus mods are way better 😊.
UI is utter trash, including some basic things like clicking to a diff settlement while zoomed in on one. Religion system is so dumbed down its painful, and the "holy city" being impenetrable is stupid. The tech/civic tree needs a ton of work, its so strange having no wonder to build for extended periods of time. There is some weird janky shit like being in a war alongside an ally and right when ur about to take enemy's city, the enemy gives that city to your ally and both declare peace. There is virtually no data shown anywhere like how do I see my list of units or browse my units or even see where my yields are coming from within a settlement. Overall, everything right now seems very dumbed down and bare bones. Scaling settler costs? Fuck you we just going to put a hardcap on your settlements (imagine being at war and forced to raze because of settlement cap) And finally the "quests" system where you fill out the bars feels very dumbed down. not having "fortify unit" option also feels sad
2k never releases finished games. A non-open world game like civ 7, CK3, etc where it's more like a board game should not cost $60-70+ in the 1st place because open world has been the standard for a long time. Thanks to rockstar. It's 2025, so a company needs to step up to give us a complete empire building game with an open world and everything else. A good start would be the companies behind Mount & blade 2 bannerlord and Crusader kings 3 to collab on a game. I doubt I'm the only one who is craving an open world game that allows us to fight real time battles while also having the depth of crusader kings 3 or greater. These giant companies have the resources, so they need to stop fooling around and give us what we want. Civ 7 might be on sale around black Friday, but maybe only for around $50 because 2k is one of the greediest companies of all time and they always add the bare minimum to "new" games. I'm so fed up with these giant companies that I'm beyond ready for new companies to rise.
Just a tip for people wanting to scratch the Civ itch. Both Humankind and Age of wonders 4 are great 4x games released recently. They are in many aspects much better than the Civ franchise and cost a fraction of the Civ 7 price. My personal favorite is AoW 4.
I played 86 minutes on steam and requested a refund of my $130
Wait, did you say "hold on to your money"? Didnt quit get that. Joke aside, thanks for the heads up.
In terms of gameplay, there are good changes, army commanders and navy commanders are very nice (no clue about the air commanders, didn´t get to use them in my first game), no workers is a mixed bag, its nice not having to micro them but repairing is now a city/town action which takes a lot more micro and is more finicky than it was before, Boat have actual uses now that the game has the "exploration age" and it really does give a feeling of expanding over the seas which was often lacking in many games in CIV 6, leaders and civs have better effects than in the last games.
On the bad, religion is shit, the UI is a crime against nature in every way, governments are much worse than before, traders are worse, there are no real districts and due to the new art style, while they look nice they make trying to see where would be good spots for bonuses REALLY hard if you forget where you built what, policy cards are just boring compared to CIV 6, age transition is an interesting if badly executed system, trading is a joke, peace deals are a joke, resource allocation is badly executed.
The game has potential but no one should buy a game based on its potential, i would suggest wait a year or two and check back or buy it on a good sale.
"Boat have actual uses now that the game has the "exploration age" and it really does give a feeling of expanding over the seas which was often lacking in many games"
Now i'll break it for you, but just play Terra. It exists in civ5 and 6, dunno about 4 and lower, it's probably the same experience. If not - then Continents are.
Thank you for your honesty the entire way through. Thank you for touching on the paid actors reviewing this game. I almost spent 130.00 usd due to the half-baked truths being shilled by some content creators.
i have played for 3 days straight and i can say its really good, the best version so far in the history of Civ, the UI is great and it does not crash at all on PC, i would say buy it now dont wait its almost perfect
I play on Nintendo switch and I am so happy I did not buy it. I was ready to buy the founders Edition the moment it was available for purchase. But I learned a valuable lesson from buying the DLC ahead of time for The Long Dark. Even though the long dark had a couple bugs the game was playable. Once I installed the DLC, when you tried leaving the current region you were in the game freezes. If you can't travel from region to region in the long dark you will die it makes the game unplayable. The game has been broken like this since the summer about 8 months now. Not to mention the last two parts of the DLC still aren't out on switch yet although they've been out for every other platform. So now I bought a $25 DLC that's incomplete and broke the game. So I'm out the 25 bucks and the price of the game.
The most beautiful game of the franchise still a game from 2 decades ago 😂
These thousands of early access reviews are likely from civ fans too, so if half of them think the game is garbage in its current state and the other half being critical but optimistic about it, it’s gonna be interesting to see what the casuals have to say. I myself don’t buy games early access, I arrive late at the party when everything’s patched and the game’s cheaper.
It does feel like its still in beta. But I do like the game. There should be more options both remove animations and victory conditions and added maps I really miss not playing on differant versions of earth.
That's what I said about the reviewers in my steam rant of the review.
I play mostly multiplayer. You know what they didn't fix?
Desyncs.
In a turn...based ..game.
Money grab, that's all. Garbage launch of the year
Desyncs with 5 player lobbies max (starting from the very start)? Impressive, civ6 was pretty stable with 6 players..
I stopped buying Civ games after Civ 4. Civ 5, 6 & 7 suck. No surprise at all. Humankind 2.0 😂😂😂.
even if they fix bugs and lower price I will still not buy this game. I don't like whole era switching experience with forced crisis/ change civ/ progress reset. It's unfixable because whole game is built around this, thats why this ends my history of playing civ games forever.
Not touching civ 7 with a 7 foot barge pole. It looks like an over priced, halfed assed mess thats missing even basic features from previous civ games.
Maybe worth a re-visit in 12 months or so, by which time it will hopefully be in a much better place bugs wise. More features complete, not missing so many civs and with a healthy discount.
There's plenty of other decent games to spend time on.
90% sale, maybe. Just maybe. But Humankind knockoffs, mmm yeah, pass.
don't tell me what to do
Civ 7 suckssss. Changing civs/eras is one of the worst decisions ever mads
Finally a non cope review lol. Game is embarrassingly bad for the price tag. Ages system is actual trash
i will just say that I still play civ 3
games going down hill. Told you
They should just do Alpha Centauri remake/remaster. I am a long time Civ player. And I have ZERO interest in Civ7. I just dont care. Its just another rethinking of Civ5 all over again with 1000 of DLCs coming for mindless consumers, who dont know what to do with their time and money. We already have Civ3/4/5/6. Enough! Im not even bother to pirate it. Its just a pointless game to me.
Dont buy it. Or buy. And suffer, like a corporate peon you are.
Well I'm playing on PS5 and the game feels great. It's not perfect but myself and a couple of my friends like it so far. And it'll only get better.
You can tell from the trailer alone that Sid was held at gunpoiny when making this game..i knew the moment i saw the trailer that it was gonna suck. I dont understand why they just cant make Civ 3 but with hd graphics and more civs.
(sid himself isnt directly involved with any civ past alpha centauri )
Every other review is praising this, but every other reviewer was paid in some way. It's good to have creators like you.
Civ 7 is how PotatoMcWhisky lost my sub
Make Civ Great Again!
That's not unique to civ7. Every game in the last 10 years is a playable beta with the customer as unpaid QA. That's especially so after physical PC media disappeared.
Meanwhile, CIV3 can be installed from it's original disk and played on Windows 10.
In a lot of ways this is the right perspective. This is just how games of any major size are going to be released. Or they can do the BG3 thing and have a 2 year paid EA beta tester thing that people are willing to pay to be a part of. All these games that a huge always suck at release and most get fixed and become very good. But if you want to buy at release like understand whats it probably going to be.
8h in, zero bugs...
When I saw the 70 Euroes price tag which is here around 85 euro after taxation or in perspective 1/5 of PS5 Console and then saw the garbage gameplay, shitty UI and the passable graphics. My first question was How much and where did the money they put into this game went if you charge us premium. There are games like God Of War Ragnarok, Kingdom Come Deliverance II, Black Myth Wukong and they charge 60. Where is that 4A quality with the money you asking for. Fuckin greedy morons. I am not touching that.
A game made by AI and DEI hires is terrible.................thats rare, lmao
There is no Civ game past Civ 5.
Same but replace Civ 5 with Alpha Centauri
@@GC13 I can't say one way or the other; never played it. Only the Civ line. I'll get around to it one day...
real
Honestly, everybody’s over blowing it. I have 30 hours in the game now and I haven’t been able to put it down. It’s phenomenal.
It seems like you had similar issues with the other games, it's a bit odd to me that you'd buy the $100 version as someone who was skeptical in the first place lol
Great game. Yall just mad its not civ 6.5
Nope
On the bright side, good times for those of us who really haven't liked the direction of the franchise since Civ 4.
Thank you for an honest review, Suede.
Weird. Neve seen a big and im having so much fun. I only dislike the UI
I disagree that the game is unfinished. That's a massive overstatement imo. At worst, the UI is unfinished. In my 12 hours of playing, I haven't experienced a single recognizable bug aside from a leader screen getting stuck open (because I was clicking on it between the turns loading). Do not buy if you're unhappy with what you've heard. Or do. Whatever.
So you clearly have already experienced an obviously recognizable bug... stop trying to gaslight people... is fine if you want to do it to yourself.
The UI is part of the game, no?
If the UI is unfinished, then logically the game is unfinished. Stop trying to rationalise this into somehow being ok in a £60 AAA game. It is not.
I have open borders I cannot cross, multiple times this bug occurred.
Just an example, not a prehensile list.
:(
Bought it, love it.
I’m old with disposable income.
Civ "DEI" edition.
Hey well at least you have a week to play civ 3 so there is that
Ever since their first reveal, I've been saying this game would flop. It is a classic tale of corporate minimalism. Firaxis no longer cares about their product or playerbase, they only want to make money
I'm gonna wait for this at £20 on cdkeys thank you very much
Civ seems to have just died as a whole for me lately, awful 7 launch, 5 literally will not launch anymore, they did something to make that happen but I haven't looked too deep into it, 3 just crashes and is bug riddled on steam, 4 I don't have on steam because I have it on disc on the spare computer that actually has a disc drive but can't bring myself to go and boot that thing up just to play 4, or 3 too I guess as I've always had it on disc as well and only picked it up on steam for a little over a single igloo money, and 6 well...even at 6 igloo monies and a gun to my head I just couldn't convince myself to part with all those loonies in exchange for...well that shit.
Controversial!!! Civ7 is a smelly poop.
Overly dramatic gamers 😂