I am repulsed by the beauty pageant thing, as well. But it's not sufficient to point at the parents when there is so much contradictory evidence present.
The perpetrator was in the house for hours prior to the crime. Plenty of time to go thru the house and search everything, not only seeing his bonus in the office but enough time to write the note,.
@ Are you fucking stupid or what? In a case with no direct evidence pointing to any one perpetrator or suspect, I’m talking about a specific piece of evidence. Holy moly brother
I think If you really think of what was done to her the note isn’t suspicious. Anyone who can do that to a little girl is crazy and not on their right mind ……
Kudos to you Grande for being open minded enough to change your opinion on this case, especially since you are on record in a public arena. I appreciate that about you!
I would have respected him more if he had not taken part in dumping on a family in the first place. Why do we show such enthusiasm in trying to find wrong and place guilt when we know basically nothing in the first place?
Very common. Before things got super protected at work I stumbled across a memo re Christmas bonus for a high up persona in our firm: 150,000 dollars. My eyes popped. That was 1987.
I'm wondering why, considering their wealth, the Ramseys didn't have security alarms/cameras. Or at least make their house secure by mending the broken window and lock all doors.
SHE WAS TOTALLY WASTED & HAD THE INSPIRATIONAL IDEA TO CRAFT A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT RANSOM LETTER THAT WOULD BE SO UNUSUALLY UNIQUE THAT IT WOULD THROW THE COPS OFF THEIR SCENT & HELP AVOID ANY KIND OF SUSPICION!!! 🤔🤨😎🤭
Maybe the intruder hid in the house in the hours the family was away and had plenty of time to write the note with the purpose of actually kidnapping JB, but something went wrong. Not sure why they would have left the note without taking JB (dead or alive) to still try to get the money. I think someone set this up to destroy the family, someone who hated them because of the pageant, or had something against John because of his business. Someone could have killed JB intentionally to make it appear someone in the family did it. Or a crazy pedophile obsessed with JB, who actually planned to take her, only he killed her when she tried to get away from him. Then the person hid her body and left the note anyway. Who knows what sick minds are capable of. I always felt this had something to do with the pageants and the attention the child got, either jealousy or pedophilia. The person could have known the family or found out things because that’s not always hard to do. They were wealthy prominent people. My understanding is that a number of people had keys to the house who worked for the family. I hope that DNA can eventually solve this.
And when exactly did the ransom note get written? Do you sit quietly in the house and write the letter, BEFORE you abduct the child? No? So you abduct the child, and say hold on, I gotta write a two page note? No? Did they kill the child in some sick way, know shes dead, so THEN decided to write the note? You just killed the child, why would you take time to write a note? When TF was the note written? My best guess would be somebody waited in the house for them to come home, and had time to sit there and write the note, then when trying to abduct her, she died, and they bolted... but that also means they took the time to find a stick and the rope, in what looks like a sick way of controlling her, you wouldn't bring that with you? Maybe the taser worked like once and the girl woke up, started freaking out, to make her quiet she got bashed in the head, but then why the rope? If it was just a sex crime, why the ransom note? If someone from the outside broke in, think about all the things they needed to do in that house, and then put them in order. I dunno, it starts to get far fetched.
If I remember correctly, there was a phone call made from the house to 911 and you can hear one of the parents say, "What did you do?" It convinced me the brother had done it. EDIT: Multiple voices can be heard in the 911 call. According to investigators and modern technology, three phrases from three different people can be heard at the end of the 911 call. Investigators can allegedly hear Mr. Ramsey saying, “’We’re not speaking to you,’ before Mrs. Ramsey allegedly asks: ‘What did you do? Help me, Jesus’.” Burke can then be heard saying, “’What did you find?” This would contradict Patsy’s earlier statement that Burke had been asleep all night and morning.
This 911 call must be fake news, otherwise it would have been on the center of the case analysis by everybody: police, tv shows, etc. Yet, you are the only one who seems to know about it.
I’m sad to know that a child JonBenet’s age was exposed to the gruesome news coverage of her death. Vicarious trauma at a tender age must have had a profound impact.
The bumbling, inexperienced, poorly trained, lacklustre police wandered about the home and had the brilliant idea to tape off the girls bedroom as the crime scene. How did they think she got out of the room? Devine intervention? She was removed from the bedroom and the police believe somebody carried her through the home to get her out. I am not a trained police officer, but that is so obvious that the whole house is a crime scene until ruled out. (Door knobs, light switches, possible evidence dropped on the floor on the way in or out etc) Then more than 6 hours later, never even having a full search of the home for her, the police get another bright idea to have a good look around the house, but decide to send non official people to do that important job. The police should have been sued for such sloppy unprofessional conduct.
They weren't incompetent. That's a way to keep the public from rioting. The Ramseys had connections. Nobody talks about how she had taser burns on her back of varying ages, which means she had been tazed on a regular basis for a long time. She was a SERIOUSLY abused child.
It was inside the house someone in the family and they all know who.Noone writes a 3 page rambling note then kills the victim before he leaves..makes zero sense. Was an accident , and a bad coverup. Pretty obvious.
@@janetsmith8566Look up the interview of Patsy's housekeeper. She said Patsy was a very evil person with a violent temper. And she's convinced Patsy took part in the killing and knew the killer. But John knew nothing.
YES! I said htat all along- the fingerprint theory is rid=iculous! Also, it did NOT say she definintely had pineapple in her stomach.a It (coroner's report) said something toi the effect of : that there was a FIBEROUS acidic content in JonBenet's stomach that had not been digested yet, but it was not whole enough or complete enough to confirm it was pineapple. People saw the photo of the pineapple and went wild witht hat theory. I read or saw on a special that there waws fruit at the White's or some party there were at, that she might have eaten ian acidic fibrous fruit there, NOT from the bowl at home.
@@SJ-ni6iy no. There will never be a conviction because it happened at home and someone in the family is responsible. There are many similarities to the Limbergh case. Both families lawyered up immediately.
Someone in the house definitely wrote the note. The time it took, the evidence for a rough draft, the exact dollar amount. I don’t know who, or why, or what actually happened, but someone in the house wrote the note and knows more than they are telling.
That family knew people in the police dept. and helped them sweep things under the rug. Oh it matches her handwriting?…. We have done analysis and no it does not. Even though it is clear as day that it matches hers. It’s most likely Burke smacked her with the flashlight and accidentally offed her and the parents did their best to cover it up since they didnt want him to goto jail. That is why they never bring back the dna test in current times cuz they know it will could change the outcome.
Me too! I’m the same age as JonBennet and I even remember the teachers at my school discussing it with each other in front of the kids when it happened… it was scary
I believe the DNA on the underwear is touch-DNA, not seminal fluid. This is important to note. Even brand new underwear you purchase at the store can have unknown touch-DNA on it, as the underwear can come in contact with an employee working in the fabric or packaging department (inspected by #) at the factory where it was manufactured.
Yeah if its still possible they should do a genealogy background test on that dna to see if it matches background of where the underwear was manufactured. That can make it almost certain its just from the factory
@@MH-ds8cb the half sister you refer to was 24 years old in 1996. So you are saying an adult female can fit into a children's size 12? And be willing to wear days of the week underwear? Hard pass.
I have always thought it was a intruder/stranger or a family friend. I don't believe Mr. Ramsey had anything to do with it. Guilty people don't stay public for 28 years. He's fought so hard for her murder to be solved and remain in the news. The man lost two children and his wife, I hope he can find out who did it while he's still here.
It always felt to me like her brother fought with her as siblings do. He was probably jealous of her attention and when he accidentally killed her the parents had to find a way to not let it ruin everybody’s lives now that their famous girl was gone.
That's exactly what his PR team wants all us to think: guilty people don't stay public for 28 years. I'm not saying they murdered their daughter, but they know exactly what had happened to her.
Guilty people can absolutely lie for that long. If they stick to the same narrative and there is no solid evidence against them because the house wasn't preserved as a crime scene.
A neighbour did see and hear the scream with the light on in the kitchen. Not remembering your daughter ate pineapple still left on the kitchen table after being out all night. It would have been digested by the time of her death if given before they went out. That child was up at midnight being given pineapple
@@SJ-ni6iyThe neighbor heard the scream and stayed up watching that house. I think it was on Dateline. I will never forget the reinactment of people moving on their hands and knees so the neighbors couldn't see their heads
Even a dead body could get the ' small foreing faction' momey, if that was the mainly reason. In my opinion John was involved with nasty and powerful people.Jonbenet was SA. And all we know about was all staged a hoax to protect them and the people John Ramsey had 'business' with.
@@ashleyn8946Why did Mr Ramsey remove the duct tape from her mouth before bringing the body out of the basement. Why did he miss her body when his child first went missing. Wouldn't he have seen it on his first sweep of the house?
@ashleyn8946 this makes no sense either. The ransom note was written on the mom's notebook. No kidnapper would plan to write the damn note whilst inside the house where their victim's family is asleep.
I still don’t understand how Burke was asleep during the 911 call but did not wake him to ask if he heard or saw anything. They let him sleep alone in his room after an abduction from the bedroom next door? Makes no sense whatsoever.
I also thought that was very odd, why wouldn’t the parents, after reading the note, immediately go check on their son to see if he’s ok and if he saw anything
What I want to know is, WHY, WHY, WHY has it been a years long battle for her father to get advanced DNA analysis done ? Ramsey said in an interview that the Boulder police/prosecutor will not release the DNA for testing, nor will they have it done. WHY ? How can they not be forced to get that DNA tested ? I just can't understand the reasoning of that. And I don't understand how they can get away with not testing it. Make that make sense.
Because it has been done. It is touch DNA and Johns DNA was all over the garrot and other stuff but it wouldn't be out of place for family's dna to be on household items that belonged to them. John is paying for propaganda to make himself or his family to look innocent.
@@mysurfing3550the dna was possibly just floated out there . In hopes of the murderer would somehow do something to show his or her guilt. So possibly no dna was found. These parents were too trusting . God bless that poor child. Did they have any enemies? That knew how these parents loved that child. And struck at them by killing the person they loved most.
Because they have a VERY small amount of testable material that has DNA. They want to be sure the technology is there to get everything they possibly can from it. Its being overly cautious, but thats the answer.
@@kenlounders5399 ..Even if someone would want to kill a child, because he hates the parents. Which is (luckily) also not very common. Why do it inside a house? Breaking in, two adults are present, and another kid. So a big change someone hears you coming in, or moving around in the house. Also look at murder attempts, assassinations, in real everyday life. They shoot people in the street, outside, public spaces. Not by breaking into a house with multiple people and kill one of them. It doesn't happen. To much danger getting caught.
@@SiloSoundStudios Using PCR they can amplify (make copies) of Touch DNA for more testing. They do this with most Touch DNA due to the lack of it compared to fluid DNA (Blood, Saliva, Seman).
I think the easiest explanation is usually the best one. The people in the house are the most likely suspects and one of them is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.
@johndonaldson3619 i work in failure analysis and it's often the case that the simple explanation is the correct one. It's not lazy per se, it's efficient. Whatever model incorporates the evidence and doesn't make too many assumptions/ parameters is often more reliable.
@@trevorthetherapist4200 Which one is the conspiracy theory? The intruder theories are pretty wild when you think about it. Especially that ransom note lol..
@bills6093 legally it means they can't prove it beyond a resonable doubt look at oj your argument falls apart as he was found not guilty criminally then found liable both are legal processes
Didn't watch the documentary but lived in CO when this happened, heard enough over the years. The brother or Patsy did it I think⛰️ Great analysis as always. Thanks Dr G😊🤍🤍
@@zenawarrior7442 You really need to watch the documentary, because of that's where the previous facts lead you to then you don't have enough of them. Just watch the Xmas home video in the last 15 seconds of episode 3 and you'll immediately have a new perspective.
@@zenawarrior7442 Sounds like you just don't like being wrong so refuse to see all the facts put before you. Tell me how a 9yr old cracked open her skull, made a garotte , strangled her to death and. penetrated her vagina causing bleeding. No such crime would have been committed by a child let alone a brother.
One other thing I don’t think I’ve ever seen police botch an investigation the way they did this one ! Instead of securing the whole house they had friends of the family wandering around the house touching everything
I agree. And then the Boulder police became entrenched in their determination to win. I thought at that stage there needs to be a mechanism to have the FBI or some specialist body take over the case and exclude the local police.
But then, why would they willingly let Burke go over to the White's house the morning of the 26th? Had he done it, he'd likely have been traumatised to some degree and could have incriminated himself to the Whites. Far more likely John would keep Burke close by where he could ensure he didn't blurt out what had happened.
That is the sole time my ultimate viewpoint differs from Dr. Grande's. 😊 The claim made by her parents that they had not searched the house is suspicious. Parents meticulously inspect the whole house before contacting anyone else. Sad.. 💔
Many people site the sloppy police investigation as a reason to believe the parents are innocent. I would not discount the possibility that the police made numerous mistakes *AND* the parents could be guilty. These factors are not mutually exclusive.
That's a very good point. A lot of people suffer from that type of black and white thinking. The MacCanns are also "innocent" because the police were incompetent. 🤷♀️
Boulder, Colorado has very limited experience with murders. It is a fact they made numerous mistakes. They didn't do things even novice detectives know to do in a kidnapping or murder investigation.
After writing a three page ransom note the intruder decided to kill her in the basement, wash her body and go upstairs and rummage through the closet to find a pair of underwear, that were put away for her to grow into, and head back downstairs to recloth the body. Instead of walking out one of the doors with her. Make that make sense.
Do you know how many of those books are even true evidence?!? Probably not because most of the police all lied about this case to convict John and Patsy when the DNA doesn’t match
5-6 yr olds in sultry performances are ludicrous, watching pervs are ludicrous, unfixed broken windows in a house holiday-toured by strangers is ludicrous, not securing a crime scene is ludicrous, & unqualified “experts” like Steve Thomas (who had never worked a homicide) was ludicrous.
So, a 14 year old also in the same beauty pageants as the little girl was also attacked in her own home not far away, but the assailant was never found? Why isn’t this the logical culprit?!
I don't think it was the parents or a stranger/intruder. I think it was someone known to the family who was at the Christmas party and hid in the house until everyone was asleep and then assaulted and killed the child. He had plenty of time to write the note while the family was gone on Christmas day, or while they slept Christmas night. The Ramseys had no sense of danger whatsoever and opened their home for Parade of Homes shortly before Christmas and for a large Christmas party. They didn't have the security system on, and they left doors unlocked, making JonBenet an easy target. They probably knew the killer but had no idea this person was dangerous. The pageant scene is likely what made JonBenet a victim. The killer was obsessed with her and knew the family casually enough to be trusted to be at the Christmas party, or attended the Parade of Homes and scooped around unlocking doors to let himself back in, or noticing that doors were unlocked and a window was broken.
I agree with this. I think they were easy targets. I don’t necessarily think the intruder had to be known to them. They had a wide spread of connections- anyone could have attended those functions within reason. There were a lot of s predators on record living nearby as well.
There is no conceivable way a little girl is screaming, violently murdered, then a killer waits around in the house to write a note and then leave. WITHOUT ANYONE IN THE HOUSE HEARING WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!
They were in the house while the family was out at Christmas party and hid when they came home. Could have been right under the girls bed when patsy put her there
@johndonaldson3619 then why did the father use the excuse of the bonus being left out on the counter for the ransom amount on the ransom note? Why bring up the fact that there were quotes in movies that that dad had posters hanging in the house that were in the ransom note?
@@socom54321They took her to the basement where no one could hear her scream. Investigators actually tested a scream from that basement and concluded that it could be heard from the next door over (given the broken window) but not upstairs in the bedrooms. In the basement, they found a suitcase underneath that broken window. There's a really disturbing theory that the intruder left her in the basement to go write the note in the kitchen. Being left in the basement alone Jon Benete would have been terrified at this point and decided to try and escape. She couldnt reach the broken window so she pushed a suit underneath it to try and climb up to escape. As she was about to climb up however the intruder came back, JonBenete screamed and the intruder panicked and hit her over the head with the flashlight.
Kids beauty pageants are exceedingly creepy. Making a literal child look like an adult is incredibly uncomfortable to say the least. I am putting that mildly.
Have followed this since it happened and I believe the brother did it. The details regarding Burke's behavior towards Jon Benet are not normal in any way, it's way beyond typical sibling fighting. I believe he most likely lashed out in anger but didn't actually intend the result. Parents didn't want to lose both of their kids so they covered it up.
If I remember correctly, there was a phone call made from the house (to 911?) and you can hear one of the parents say, "What did you do?" It convinced me the brother had done it.
It is a high possibility that Burke did kill her, intended or not intended. Several reasons why it could be him BUT the DNA in her underwear, the possible taser and easy access with the broken window should be considered.
This actually would make sense. Burke had been smearing feces on Jon Benét's belongings, and had hit her intentionally over the head with a golf club not long before this murder. Sounds like raging jealousy. Additionally, Burke's behavior has been suggestive to some (including me) of his being on the autism spectrum; doesn't mean he is a killer but could contribute to his feeling jealous of his more "normal" sister.
I think you've assessed this sad crime quite accurately as usual. Such a sad thing to happen to an innocent little child. And so sad to leave her family with so many questions and suspicion on them. Well done.
Not a murder, but unplanned rage by mother or Burke. Parents felt no choice but to stage as murder to protect social status and remaining family unit. Cannot explain away pineapple (timeline) and untouched spider web.8
@@Fallocaust I don't think any 9 yo even knows what a garrote is, how to make one, or what it is used for. It took some thought to make one out of items that Patsy had on her desk.
One factor that makes the parents look bad/suspicious is that they lawyered-up very early on and refused to sit for separate interviews with police. This refusal to cooperate or even interview with police dragged on for weeks of even months as I recall. I understand there are legitimate reasons to retain counsel, but their complete lack of cooperation and stonewalling the investigation in its early stages is a bad look and extremely suspicious in this case.
@@Matthew-ATX they lawyered up because the police were instantly suspicious, it would be stupid to not get a lawyer. Why would patsy willingly give up her handwriting if she wrote the note ?
It's always dawned if you do damn if you don't. If you don't get a lawyer it's "damn they should've got a lawyer" if you do get one "wow, that's suspicious"
They had wealth and connections to lawyers so to me it makes perfect sense especially since the police clearly dropped the ball. I’m sure the lawyer told them that the police have blinders on and are coming for you because of their mishandling of the crime scene. If something like this happened to my child i would get a lawyer
@@Matthew-ATX if you are ever connected to a crime, get a lawyer before you talk to the police ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. The police are not there to exclude you as a suspect.
I remember reading everything about this case, and one thing that came out was that about five other neighbors had keys to the house... I've always felt that it was a male neighbor who did it. They had given out copies of keys to the house as many people do, with people they think they can trust, in case they go on a trip, or lose their keys. Clearly, having so many people with extra copies of their house keys was foolish, so to me it was probably a male neighbor who had access to the keys or the house because of the broken basement window.
I believe there would have been enough evidence to convict her of obstruction of justice for writing that note. At a minimum she should have been charged with that. Murder charges could come later if more evidence surfaces. She's dead now, so that's not going to happen, but it should have.
I believe it was the 9-year-old brother who committed the crime. He could have felt inferior to his sister, a "showman," and perceived JonBenet as the far more deserving child because of her state may have delivered the blow to her head. But upon the parents discovering what had been done, they created a far more detailed and elaborate situation in order to protect the brother, their other only child remaining. And to this day the terrible truth is concealed by everyone remaining.
It has always seemed interesting to me that in the home movies, Jon-Benet is the focus and Burke is kind of the afterthought. Plus, he's just a strange character and still seems mentally off -- smiling through all those interviews in a creepy way. The idea that he did it -- either intentionally or not -- makes everything fall into place with the other odd actions of the parents and Patsy's ransom note.
Burk killed her when she took a piece of his pineapple and he hit her in the head with the mag flashlight. Patsy wrote the note. The father called all the neighbors over at 6am to mess up the crime scene. The tazer marks were an exact match to Burks piece of train track he used on her to see if she was alive. The mag light was a perfect fit in her skull. Dude???
so far Netflix has done a HORRIBLE job with its true crime documentaries,making some really unnecessary, unhinged,uninformed, un motivated & downright false & decietful docs like Menendez bros, Dahmer etc..at best reminiscing at worst harmful to the victims memories & their families..I'm not giving this rubbish the time of day..😒
Common sense points to Burk imo. The ransom note was obviously written by Patsy in my opinion, and who would she be protecting? Love for a child is unconditional, while love for a spouse often is not the same…. If the other child hurt their daughter I could see them working together to protect him (as well as their shallow reputation) but if one parent did it, I feel it’s less likely that the other would work so hard to protect the partner who killed their child. (I know it’s happened before in some other cases, but in this case it just doesn’t seem so to me personally)
And an edit to have, she was wearing the same clothes from the Christmas party the night before, and didn’t even mention to the police that they’d been threatened not to call the police
The problem with that is there is absolutely no evidence at all tying Burk to the crime. The DNA left on Jon Benet was not Burk's. With the recent advances in forensic genealogy, I'm not sure why they still haven't figured out who's DNA it is.
I’ve thought about this as well, but there are so many ways dna can casually transfer such as a random male child at the party or even a worker at the underwear factory.. and it’s such a small sample it’s hard to say
"but if one parent did it, I feel it’s less likely that the other would work so hard to protect the partner who killed their child." Patsy covered for John for committing incest because she inflicted the head wound and John covered for Patsy for inflicting the head wound because he committed incest.
It wasn't just that another child was attacked nearby, it's that the attacker was in the home for hours, knew the name of the victim and followed a very similar MO in the attack, except for the killing, but that is because the parents woke up and stopped the attack. The police dismissed this as being related because the young girl was not killed.
I think the theory of the son hitting her on the head and the parents covering for him is what happened . It makes some of the crazy stuff they did after her death make sense. Why would they call friends to come over? What the heck are there friends going to do? I think it was a way to distract the police and also contaminate the crime scene. All to protect the son. Like they lost a daughter and they didn't want to lose a son too.
@@SiloSoundStudios it was more likely a man. What woman would use the words attache, countermeasures and faction in such spontaneous circumstances. John was in the military for some time, these are terms very familiar to military men. Definitely the words of a man who's seen too many action films.
@@SiloSoundStudios I'm interested in a conversation about this. So do you think he murdered her and asks Patsy to write the note then dictated it to her? I used to think patsy did it but I didn't have much info about 15yrs ago, last time I really read about it. I feel patsy is quite a naive woman even if she was educated. John has a lot of influence over her and power, he was also a very powerful man locally. Patsy's 911 call does seem quite genuine and she says "what did you do" twice before the call cutting out.
The theory that makes the most sense to me but clearly not a proven fact is that JonBennet's brother accidentally killed her. Patsy wrote the ransom note to throw police off because it was likely impossible to process at the time, that her son killed the child, and then the possibility of losing the son as well due to being convicted of the crime. The theory was that the son hit JonBennet on the head with a flashlight that was on the table leading to her death, but not necessarily intending for it to be lethal. It is not uncommon for siblings to abuse other siblings. But no one will ever know for certain what really happened...
I don't know if Patsy knew until after the fact and was forced or coerced into writing that note, I'm not sure about her involvement (besides the ransom note) but I just really think that John was 100% involved and present but I don't think he was the only one. I think he had friends with him.
Actually, there were several cases in Australia (one being Karmein Chan) where intruders entered a house, and murdered the child, and the case remains unsolved to this day.
The third new suspect identified in the documentary gave a plausible account of how he committed the crime, including writing the note. He said he broke in early in the evening and was in the house for hours, so he had time to prowl around, familiarise himself with the layout of the house, and read the paper rework in the kitchen that reported John's bonus. There is an animus against the parents because of the pageants. I agree that the pageants are disgusting and probably attracted the killer's attention. But the case against the parents doesn't make sense.
I've NEVER thought it was the family. I've followed this case from DAY ONE. If you watch the very first CNN interview John & Patsy did, it's very obvious how broken they both were. Both looked absolutely exhausted from all the stress and grief. Patsy was clearly under the effects of tranquilizers, as her speech was often slurred in it and she was bleary eyed. They were both devastated. It's sad that most of the country believed the BS that Boulder PD was dishing our to the media.
They could still look exhausted from staying up all night to stage the scene, write the note. They could still be upset that she was dead. Just because people look exhausted and upset, does not mean they are innocent.
@davinasquirrel7672 It wasn't that type of exhaustion, of physically being tired. It was mental exhaustion from pure grief and upset. Those who have experienced that emotional exhaustion can easily recognize it in others. Furthermore, the parents had no motive whatsoever. John was already traumatized from losing his older daughter just a few years before. Patsy had just recently survived stage 4 ovarian cancer, which almost always has a fatal outcome. Due to those very recent experiences with end of life matters, they both knew how precious life was. The people who continue to accuse them are barking up the wrong tree & always have been.
There is obviously an epidemic of bad parenting in this country. One just needs to look at the incarceration population to see that something is really wrong with how children are being cared for. I would not be surprised if the parents know something about what happened to this young girl.
Because it was a attempted kidnapping. The goal was to take her and then get money from the family. He could have accidently killed her while trying to subdue her and then fled when he realized she was dead. The ransome note was written before the death.
@@Hummerbird99The killing wasn’t accidental. She was strangled with a rope and had forcible trauma to her skull, as well as evidence of sexual assault.
@Hummerbird99 then why even leave the note in the first place if she was dead, if the goal was all money why not just take the body with you make everyone think she's Alive and try to collect the money makes no sense
Dr. Todd Grande, I've been watching your videos for quite some time now. I consider you one of the most intelligent, informative and thoughtful UA-camrs I've ever encountered. However, and with all due respect, this is the first time I've ever seen you make a mistake. In my humble opinion I think you allowed a Netflix documentary to persuade you into believing a falsehood. I did a deep dive into this case a long time ago and came to the opinion that JonBenet Ramsey was killed by her brother and the parents covered it up. I could be wrong and I'm open minded enough to change my mind should further evidence warrant such a change but I have yet to encounter this. My opinion of you hasn't changed, I still think you're one of the best on YT. Keep up the great work that you do and thanks for your time.
Well, this is not the first time that i disagree with Dr.Grande. And yes, most of the times he is spot on, i think. But not always and not in this video. It's correct what you write apparently he changed his mind for some reason after seeing the netflix documentary. It seems that he trusts netflix more than his own common sense.
@@petervermeer.4904 "It seems that he trusts netflix more than his own common sense." You might be surprised at how persuasive some people can be. For further information I recommend the book Influence: The Psychology Of Persuasion by Robert B. Cialdini, Ph.D
I had to check this was December 1st not April 1st. I am genuinely struggling to wrap my head around this analysis Dr Grande but I respect your opinion. Sad but true: Burke did it. The only thing that explains the actions and evidence is two desperate parents, protecting the one child they had left. RIP Patsy & Jonbennet. I hope you are together.❤
The Secret Service positively identified the pen and ink as being from a pen in the house. It was a pre-1992 water based Sharpie.The pad of paper also came from the Ramsey house.
Obviously do not know what happened in that house. Another unusual thing…Patsy said she got up and got dressed for the trip that morning…she put on the same clothing that she wore to the party the night before…not unheard of, but very unusual for a woman like Patsy.
To me it would be prudent to slip back into the same outfit just to travel on the company plane and change at the destination. The outfit was probably not that dirty, only having been worn a few hours the night before.
I am from Boulder and have always maintained the family had absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy! The BPD were completely out of their league and did not allow outside more experienced teams to come in to help! THAT is the reason 25+ years later… there still is no justice
@@mw4724 Most likely the father did it. An intruder is a silly hypothesis given the ransom note for a person who is already dead and likely to be found. Family males are often unfolded in infanticide.
the biggest issue with me is the undisturbed spider webs on the window ledge that would or should have been destroyed if someone crawled in and out of the window. Was this ever debunked?
Plus, John conveniently mentions that he broke the window and crawled in a couple of months prior which would have explained his fingerprints, clothing fibers, dna or shoe prints had they been found in that area. He was smart and I think he staged this piece of evidence to cover up his involvement.
@@CrystalsLife481good point. Usually, well off people would get the window fixed as soon as possible, especially if there was a hundred burglaries in the area within months before the incident. Plus in higher end neighborhoods, folks like to keep their homes looking immaculate ( nice lawns, fresh paint, straight fences….quire the opposite of my neighborhood) .
And why did John take responsibility for the broken window 🪟? Who breaks a window in their own mansion, instead of calling their wife or housekeeper to get the spare key 🗝️
Her brother killed her, her parents covered it up. INCLUDING making a PRACTICE ransom note. AND demanding the ransom be JUST what Jon had received as a year end bonus.
The note is obviously the key to the mystery, If the intruder used info around the house to write it. I used to think parents were involved but DNA changed my mind. Why don’t they do a familial DNA test?
Exactly what I've been wandering another documentary i seen on case says it was likely an Hispanic male which i am to so not saying any crazy racism nonsense they could do that with dna
It is a very small amount of DNA, so they want to be very careful and not waste it, possibly waiting for even better technology, or waiting for a good suspect to compare the DNA to.
@@janetsmith8566 You build a straw man argument, the commenter said "an intruder IN THIS CASE" not that there are no such things as intruders. I am well aware of who Russell Williams is.
Agreed! This is a OJ Simpson type case. Through a whole bunch of distracting information and doubt starts creeping in. It was the brother and the parents covered it up.
The other option is that the parents know who killed her and they covered up for that person. That explains the foreign DNA, the suspicious note and the fact that the neighbors could hear things, but the family claims they did not.
After hearing of the case in France ,where a woman was drugged and sold by her own for a decade and didn't even know it, I really would still consider a family member being involved
In my unprofessional opinion, it was someone involved in the pageant scene. They may have known the Ramsey’s, but they didn’t know him. They likely staked out their residence for quite a while, and may have even entered the house at an earlier date to scope it out. Loner type, hence the ability to dedicate time to something like this around the holidays.. which coincidentally would’ve had the largest impact on the family.
No, someone inside the house killed the girl. No mysterious stranger who stays in a strange house for hours and hours. Only in movies and books, fiction and fantasy stories.
@@petervermeer.4904 It was a hypothetical. But if it helps you, the BTK Killer did exactly that for years. Entered the homes to understand the layout, and watched them for months. Look at his first murders and how the girl was found in the basement- I’d imagine whoever killed JBR had similar pathologies (Stalking, sexual sadism, etc).
Yeah that was always red flag, but never saw theory til this it was on papers in house, I have seen before it was mentioned in local news paper before case maybe not exact amount could've have been but whole story was about him getting bonus, prominent business didn't know it got absorbed by Lockheed martin
@@ryansantos6785its hard to think same dna would be on underwear possibly contaminated but under her fingernails same dna seems very unlikely it wasn't killer
Pretend you are the intruder. You slip into the window. Roam around the house, hang out at the desk and practice the note a couple of times until you come up with your final draft. Walk around the first lvl some more, fix a bowl of pineapple then wander up to find her. You take her back to the dining room so she can have a bite of it. Then you take her downstairs to the basement and commit the crime. After it’s done: you go back upstairs and leave the flashlight on the counter so you can then go back downstairs to leave. No. No way. Only person who could have walked around the house and fixed a bowl of pineapple etc etc without waking anyone was Burke. Period. John really should consider moving on to his next chapter and leaving this one alone. He may not like what comes from an additional investigation. Don’t think Burke would like it either.
@@lisawilson105 a 9yr old didn't do that. Complex crime scene, too weak, he couldn't have written the note at age 9 unless he was a writing genius. If you've got kids you'd know thats impossible. 9yr old writing is awful, the prose is terrible, their grammar is terrible, he wouldn't have known words like countermeasures, attache and faction, let alone fashion a full coherent kidnapping fantasy and knowing his dad's bonis exactly, you dont tell your kids what money you earn. This is 1996. Kids read comic books and watched cartoons, not read jack reacher novels.
It is beyond clear that the Ramsey's were responsible for their daughters death. Burke claimed to know nothing until he was awakened by his parents after the police arrived. The only possible solution to this case is that Burke killed JonBenet because she ate his pineapple. Burke had mental illness at the time, was unstable, and during a long interview, only smiled as he was questioned. He killed his sister, and his parents covered up the murder since they just lost one child and did not want to lose a second child. His mother wrote the note. I don't think this is a mystery at all. We have known for a long time what happened. There was a remote chance of an intruder, but if you see all the evidence, that has been ruled out. It's a solved case ... period. By the way, it is almost always wrong when you go with your gut feeling and then change it as Dr Grande has done. Second guessing your feelings is virtually always the wrong thing to do.
@@sammas2959 What are you talking about? Patsy's handwriting was an extremely close match to the ransom note, and the slight differences appeared to be because she was purposely trying to changed her writing.
I spent decades believing the parents were involved. Now I think the police were messy and someone who knew her from pageants broke in, intended to take her, killed her instead and then climbed back out that window. Mostly I just don’t think her dad would still be fighting for evidence testing if it were him.
Let’s be fair, the police were sloppy bc they assumed a kidnapping at first. There was no need to secure the entire house at the time bc of that. Even if they did, the scene was compromised when the family friends came over and seemingly ignored the police there it seems. She was in full rigor when her body was “found”, he went directly to where she was.
You’re missing the part where the same “intruder” walked around the house leisurely doing tasks such as finding pens, writing a draft of the letter and starting a new one, wiping down areas using cleaning stuff found in the house, “supposedly” making a bowl of pineapple and glass of milk since neither parent remembers doing it (if they did remember it would conflict with their timeline and digestion of food contents in stomach). If there was an “intruder” they did not simply come in, murder, and leave.
I have always believed that the father unintentionally caused her death, but the mother shielded him by hiding the truth. Currently, my viewpoint remains the same.
I was thinking the same thing the fact Dr grande came to this conclusion is beyond me seems he fell victim to the pr agency, everything about this case screams that it was someone in that house who did it
These child beauty pageants exploit children ! The ransom note is a joke ! I just can’t get past the parents at first I thought maybe the brother, but he would have to be very strong to do what the killer did ! That poor little girl was killed by someone in the house, and I don’t believe it was a stranger … Prayers for Jonbenet I know she got the express elevator straight up to heaven.🙏🙏🙏
WHY WOULD SOMEONE WRITE A RANSOM NOTE AND LEAVE THE BODY? And why was Mrs Ramsey dressed the same way as she was during the fest? Did she wear her festive clothes the day after? Did they find the body, and she put on nice clothes for the cops? Everything is just so weird
Because the ransom note was written before the death. He could have accidently killed her while trying to subdue her and then fled when he realized she was dead..
The fascination with this case stems from the notion that regardless of who you believe the culprit is (intruder or parent) you would have to suppress some extreme atypical factors. There are things that point both to and away both parents and intruders. You can’t blame or exonerate one or the others without looking past some strong arguments pulling you the opposite way.
I think it's John becaue he used the word ''proper burial'' in an old interview with Patsy, the ransom note also says ''proper burial''. It doesn't prove it, but I would say burial or bury her.
Please research the case and do not imagine a documentary on Netflix, necessarily has the goods. -- "While multiple handwriting analysts concluded that it was likely, but not definitive, that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note for the murder of her daughter JonBenét, the modern understanding of handwriting analysis is that it's not a reliable forensic tool -- "Handwriting experts from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) concluded that Patsy was the likely author of the note, but they couldn't be certain. ... "The note was written on a notepad that belonged to Patsy, and the writer used a Sharpie from the house. The note was also originally addressed to "Mr. & Mrs." before being changed to just John." ... This evidence would not convict, yet it seems obvious that the parents had a hand in this. Kind of sickening. -- My guess is the mother had a failing relationship with the father. Among other misdeeds, contrary to a marriage; father doted on daughter. Mother perhaps under the influence, jealous for many reasons and enraged toward the husband; did the deed as a strike against her husband, but quickly regretted her action. Then father tried to cover it up. ... The documentary means nothing. It's a TV show designed to get viewers, make money and excite controversy; anything can be said, without verification or authenticity.
I’ve read every major book and seen most podcasts on this subject and will watch the documentary soon. Unless I see evidence I disagree with Dr grande here as the weight of all the evidence still leans away from intruder theory.
So I recently heard a theory……It was an intruder who had actually been squatting in the house for some time. Apparently, their house was so big that it would be no surprise if you didn’t hear something in the basement from all the way upstairs. The theory is that the killer had actually been living in the basement/home unbeknownst to the family. This would explain why there were no footprints in the snow. They had been there the whole time, and the investigation was so botched that they got away with all of it. Just something to think about 🤔
That seems possible to me. There were probably p3dos who knew of JBR from the news since she was in pageants. Also, their house was open during Xmas for home tours and they were in and out of parties at various houses. I don’t think Burke was sophisticated enough to make a garrote.
I remember hearing once that people who named their kids after themselves are narcissists.. and this poor girl was named after both her mom and dad.. just that puts a bad taste in my mouth… just saying
the book “Foreign Fractions” by the lead detective on the case is very thorough and detailed and covers things not mentioned in the Netflix doc. The brother had previously sent JB to the ER when he hit her in the face with a golf club. There are many other details not mentioned elsewhere. Please look into it.
"The brother had previously sent JB to the ER when he hit her in the face with a golf club." You conveniently neglected to state that he didn't know she was behind him when he did a backswing with a golf club and clipped her under her eye. You did this because it didn't fit your narrative that he intentionally did it.
JonBenét's final resting place is at St. James Episcopal Church in Marietta, GA, where her mother, Patsy, now rests as well. I visited her grave years ago, before Patsy's passing, during a time when I had business at the church. The tragedy of their story continues to cast a shadow over the family.
There’s something extremely creepy about these child beauty pageants.
Was Rolf Harris doing the judging?
Paedophile activity
I am repulsed by the beauty pageant thing, as well. But it's not sufficient to point at the parents when there is so much contradictory evidence present.
You don’t say…
They should be banned
That ransom note will always be glaringly suspicious to me
The perpetrator was in the house for hours prior to the crime. Plenty of time to go thru the house and search everything, not only seeing his bonus in the office but enough time to write the note,.
Suspicious? A little girl was tortured and killed and you think something isn’t quite right here?
@ Are you fucking stupid or what? In a case with no direct evidence pointing to any one perpetrator or suspect, I’m talking about a specific piece of evidence. Holy moly brother
I think If you really think of what was done to her the note isn’t suspicious. Anyone who can do that to a little girl is crazy and not on their right mind ……
Plus the rope in the room next to Jon Bennett's room and the claw sliding off the bed
Kudos to you Grande for being open minded enough to change your opinion on this case, especially since you are on record in a public arena. I appreciate that about you!
@IroningBoardConfessional after a one sided documentary no less, takes guts.
I would have respected him more if he had not taken part in dumping on a family in the first place. Why do we show such enthusiasm in trying to find wrong and place guilt when we know basically nothing in the first place?
Dr
Imagine $118,000 Christmas bonus in 1996 😳
That's 236,000 in 2024 money 💰
Very common. Before things got super protected at work I stumbled across a memo re Christmas bonus for a high up persona in our firm: 150,000 dollars. My eyes popped. That was 1987.
That’s the second crime that occurred.
I'm wondering why, considering their wealth, the Ramseys didn't have security alarms/cameras. Or at least make their house secure by mending the broken window and lock all doors.
@@DBTdadCloser to $350k 2024
No call from kidnappers because body was ‘ left’ in the house . If you are leaving a body why leave a ‘ long ‘ ransom note?
SHE WAS TOTALLY WASTED & HAD THE INSPIRATIONAL IDEA TO CRAFT A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT RANSOM LETTER THAT WOULD BE SO UNUSUALLY UNIQUE THAT IT WOULD THROW THE COPS OFF THEIR SCENT & HELP AVOID ANY KIND OF SUSPICION!!!
🤔🤨😎🤭
Maybe the intruder hid in the house in the hours the family was away and had plenty of time to write the note with the purpose of actually kidnapping JB, but something went wrong. Not sure why they would have left the note without taking JB (dead or alive) to still try to get the money. I think someone set this up to destroy the family, someone who hated them because of the pageant, or had something against John because of his business. Someone could have killed JB intentionally to make it appear someone in the family did it. Or a crazy pedophile obsessed with JB, who actually planned to take her, only he killed her when she tried to get away from him. Then the person hid her body and left the note anyway. Who knows what sick minds are capable of. I always felt this had something to do with the pageants and the attention the child got, either jealousy or pedophilia. The person could have known the family or found out things because that’s not always hard to do. They were wealthy prominent people. My understanding is that a number of people had keys to the house who worked for the family. I hope that DNA can eventually solve this.
@aussie4065 the same reason why you have your friends all come over, to muddy the crime scene
And when exactly did the ransom note get written? Do you sit quietly in the house and write the letter, BEFORE you abduct the child? No? So you abduct the child, and say hold on, I gotta write a two page note? No? Did they kill the child in some sick way, know shes dead, so THEN decided to write the note? You just killed the child, why would you take time to write a note? When TF was the note written? My best guess would be somebody waited in the house for them to come home, and had time to sit there and write the note, then when trying to abduct her, she died, and they bolted... but that also means they took the time to find a stick and the rope, in what looks like a sick way of controlling her, you wouldn't bring that with you? Maybe the taser worked like once and the girl woke up, started freaking out, to make her quiet she got bashed in the head, but then why the rope? If it was just a sex crime, why the ransom note? If someone from the outside broke in, think about all the things they needed to do in that house, and then put them in order. I dunno, it starts to get far fetched.
It’s not beyond reason that they left the ransom note beforehand and things ended up not going to plan so they just left her body in the basement
After seeing the Chris Watts case, I don't put anything past any parent.
@@jayclark5912 💯 people have been killing their kids for a long time unfortunately.
And he couldn’t hide his atrocities for long. The Ramsay’s were under a microscope, and prevailed.
❤️🍀
That case was bone chilling. May God bless his wife and those beautiful girls. 🙏🏼💔
What a stupid thing to say.
just a few days ago a mother tortured her diabetic daughter and drowned her in the tub. yeah, parents can be horrible.
If I remember correctly, there was a phone call made from the house to 911 and you can hear one of the parents say, "What did you do?" It convinced me the brother had done it.
EDIT: Multiple voices can be heard in the 911 call. According to investigators and modern technology, three phrases from three different people can be heard at the end of the 911 call. Investigators can allegedly hear Mr. Ramsey saying, “’We’re not speaking to you,’ before Mrs. Ramsey allegedly asks: ‘What did you do? Help me, Jesus’.” Burke can then be heard saying, “’What did you find?” This would contradict Patsy’s earlier statement that Burke had been asleep all night and morning.
This 911 call must be fake news, otherwise it would have been on the center of the case analysis by everybody: police, tv shows, etc. Yet, you are the only one who seems to know about it.
This case is 100% what got me into true crime. I was the same age and watched all the news coverage.
We live in a small apartment and I don't like my youngest hanging out on the opposite end of the apartment by himself because if Jon Benet ❤
It will always be Jack the Ripper for me lol. Joking aside, it's really sad.
Same here ! Was a teen when I watched a Kendall rae video about Jon Benet
I’m sad to know that a child JonBenet’s age was exposed to the gruesome news coverage of her death. Vicarious trauma at a tender age must have had a profound impact.
@ it was the early nineties and the news was on all the time everywhere. Nobody really cared, and that is sad.
The bumbling, inexperienced, poorly trained, lacklustre police wandered about the home and had the brilliant idea to tape off the girls bedroom as the crime scene. How did they think she got out of the room? Devine intervention? She was removed from the bedroom and the police believe somebody carried her through the home to get her out. I am not a trained police officer, but that is so obvious that the whole house is a crime scene until ruled out. (Door knobs, light switches, possible evidence dropped on the floor on the way in or out etc) Then more than 6 hours later, never even having a full search of the home for her, the police get another bright idea to have a good look around the house, but decide to send non official people to do that important job. The police should have been sued for such sloppy unprofessional conduct.
A bumbling sloppy murderer got away with it because of an even more bumbling and sloppy police force
They weren't incompetent. That's a way to keep the public from rioting. The Ramseys had connections.
Nobody talks about how she had taser burns on her back of varying ages, which means she had been tazed on a regular basis for a long time. She was a SERIOUSLY abused child.
It was inside the house someone in the family and they all know who.Noone writes a 3 page rambling note then kills the victim before he leaves..makes zero sense. Was an accident , and a bad coverup. Pretty obvious.
But why? It makes NO SENSE for the parents to write this note and garrotte her!!!
@@janetsmith8566it makes sense because they pretended that it wasn’t them obviously
@@janetsmith8566 Why not? And more importantly, why does it make sense for someone else to have done it?
And takes time to dig through art supplies in the basement for a paintbrush, then proceed to make essentially a weapon with it.
@@janetsmith8566Look up the interview of Patsy's housekeeper. She said Patsy was a very evil person with a violent temper. And she's convinced Patsy took part in the killing and knew the killer. But John knew nothing.
The note is exceptionally disturbing and suspicious. The note is the game changer.
In defense of Mrs. Ramsey. The last person, or sometimes the only person who puts the dishes away is the Mother, or female head in the household.
YES! I said htat all along- the fingerprint theory is rid=iculous!
Also, it did NOT say she definintely had pineapple in her stomach.a
It (coroner's report) said something toi the effect of : that there was a FIBEROUS acidic content in JonBenet's stomach that had not been digested yet, but it was not whole enough or complete enough to confirm it was pineapple. People saw the photo of the pineapple and went wild witht hat theory. I read or saw on a special that there waws fruit at the White's or some party there were at, that she might have eaten ian acidic fibrous fruit there, NOT from the bowl at home.
so you're saying she did it 😂😢😮
True. Many surfaces hold fingerprints even after cleaning.
She had a housekeeper to do all that for her.
@BuzzyStreet It doesn't mean that she never touched a dish in the house. It's also not enough to assume she brutally killed her daughter.
It’s Patsy’s handwriting for the most part….using speech she used. The whole case is wrapped up in that note.
Probably but a jury would never convict without some doubt
@@SJ-ni6iy no. There will never be a conviction because it happened at home and someone in the family is responsible. There are many similarities to the Limbergh case. Both families lawyered up immediately.
Someone in the house definitely wrote the note. The time it took, the evidence for a rough draft, the exact dollar amount. I don’t know who, or why, or what actually happened, but someone in the house wrote the note and knows more than they are telling.
That family knew people in the police dept. and helped them sweep things under the rug. Oh it matches her handwriting?…. We have done analysis and no it does not. Even though it is clear as day that it matches hers. It’s most likely Burke smacked her with the flashlight and accidentally offed her and the parents did their best to cover it up since they didnt want him to goto jail. That is why they never bring back the dna test in current times cuz they know it will could change the outcome.
It never said that. Cops were desperate to pin it on parents. They would have convicted her for that.
I remember being a lil girl when this happened and all of the adults were obsessed! As I got into true crime i realized this case is WHY!
The one for me was watching Nancy Grace with my mom as she was going over the Casey Anthony trial
@@interceptthis4141 Nancy Grace is a disgusting person.
same lol
Me too! I’m the same age as JonBennet and I even remember the teachers at my school discussing it with each other in front of the kids when it happened… it was scary
I believe the DNA on the underwear is touch-DNA, not seminal fluid. This is important to note. Even brand new underwear you purchase at the store can have unknown touch-DNA on it, as the underwear can come in contact with an employee working in the fabric or packaging department (inspected by #) at the factory where it was manufactured.
Yes and these were size 12 “Wednesday” undies meant as a gift for the half-sister. Very misleading when they say DNA in the underwear.
Yeah if its still possible they should do a genealogy background test on that dna to see if it matches background of where the underwear was manufactured. That can make it almost certain its just from the factory
Exactly
I suppose people should wash new underwear prior to wearing them.
@@MH-ds8cb the half sister you refer to was 24 years old in 1996. So you are saying an adult female can fit into a children's size 12? And be willing to wear days of the week underwear? Hard pass.
The mom wrote the damn note💯
@@michaelmyers3093 Nah.
I think she really thought Burke did it and was trying to cover up for him. I don't think he did, and she muddied the waters too much to solve it.
funny how people act so certain while they have no clue like the rest of us
Covering up for Burke!
@ Burke was a little kid the parents did it 💯💯💯💯
I have always thought it was a intruder/stranger or a family friend. I don't believe Mr. Ramsey had anything to do with it. Guilty people don't stay public for 28 years. He's fought so hard for her murder to be solved and remain in the news. The man lost two children and his wife, I hope he can find out who did it while he's still here.
It always felt to me like her brother fought with her as siblings do. He was probably jealous of her attention and when he accidentally killed her the parents had to find a way to not let it ruin everybody’s lives now that their famous girl was gone.
The son did it
@@IRLWojakhis DNA was not on her.
That's exactly what his PR team wants all us to think: guilty people don't stay public for 28 years.
I'm not saying they murdered their daughter, but they know exactly what had happened to her.
Guilty people can absolutely lie for that long. If they stick to the same narrative and there is no solid evidence against them because the house wasn't preserved as a crime scene.
I never knew a neighbor heard a scream and the family did not hear it. Why?
I don’t think the neighbor was sure of this and no one else heard anything
A neighbour did see and hear the scream with the light on in the kitchen. Not remembering your daughter ate pineapple still left on the kitchen table after being out all night. It would have been digested by the time of her death if given before they went out. That child was up at midnight being given pineapple
Tests were done in this huge house showing you can hear screams in some locations but not others.
@@SJ-ni6iyThe neighbor heard the scream and stayed up watching that house. I think it was on Dateline. I will never forget the reinactment of people moving on their hands and knees so the neighbors couldn't see their heads
@@maureenwalsh4305 So was Burke. His fingerprints were on it, and pretended not to know what pineapple was when questioned.
Why would an intruder leave a ransom note and leave the body in the house?
Exactly! Great point!
They may intend to kidnap her but maybe she fought while in the basement 🤷🏼♀️
Even a dead body could get the ' small foreing faction' momey, if that was the mainly reason. In my opinion John was involved with nasty and powerful people.Jonbenet was SA. And all we know about was all staged a hoax to protect them and the people John Ramsey had 'business' with.
@@ashleyn8946Why did Mr Ramsey remove the duct tape from her mouth before bringing the body out of the basement. Why did he miss her body when his child first went missing. Wouldn't he have seen it on his first sweep of the house?
@ashleyn8946 this makes no sense either. The ransom note was written on the mom's notebook. No kidnapper would plan to write the damn note whilst inside the house where their victim's family is asleep.
I still don’t understand how Burke was asleep during the 911 call but did not wake him to ask if he heard or saw anything. They let him sleep alone in his room after an abduction from the bedroom next door? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Elizabeth Smart’s sister watched Elizabeth’s abduction and went back to sleep. Sleeping kids are goofy.
There was one dokumentary poited at Burke.Parents could cover up his involvement. I think everything in this theory is belivable.
kids don't readily follow the seriousness of situations -they're 'kid's with 'kids' brains
I also thought that was very odd, why wouldn’t the parents, after reading the note, immediately go check on their son to see if he’s ok and if he saw anything
@@xmcampos1because they probably did it tbh
What I want to know is, WHY, WHY, WHY has it been a years long battle for her father to get advanced DNA analysis done ? Ramsey said in an interview that the Boulder police/prosecutor will not release the DNA for testing, nor will they have it done. WHY ? How can they not be forced to get that DNA tested ? I just can't understand the reasoning of that. And I don't understand how they can get away with not testing it. Make that make sense.
Because it has been done. It is touch DNA and Johns DNA was all over the garrot and other stuff but it wouldn't be out of place for family's dna to be on household items that belonged to them. John is paying for propaganda to make himself or his family to look innocent.
@@mysurfing3550the dna was possibly just floated out there . In hopes of the murderer would somehow do something to show his or her guilt. So possibly no dna was found. These parents were too trusting . God bless that poor child. Did they have any enemies? That knew how these parents loved that child. And struck at them by killing the person they loved most.
Because they have a VERY small amount of testable material that has DNA. They want to be sure the technology is there to get everything they possibly can from it. Its being overly cautious, but thats the answer.
@@kenlounders5399 ..Even if someone would want to kill a child, because he hates the parents. Which is (luckily) also not very common.
Why do it inside a house? Breaking in, two adults are present, and another kid. So a big change someone hears you coming in, or moving around in the house. Also look at murder attempts, assassinations, in real everyday life.
They shoot people in the street, outside, public spaces. Not by breaking into a house with multiple people and kill one of them. It doesn't happen. To much danger getting caught.
@@SiloSoundStudios Using PCR they can amplify (make copies) of Touch DNA for more testing. They do this with most Touch DNA due to the lack of it compared to fluid DNA (Blood, Saliva, Seman).
I think the easiest explanation is usually the best one. The people in the house are the most likely suspects and one of them is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.
That's lazy thinking.............
@ I know the conspiracy theories are more fun but they did not lead to any arrests. That is what I care about.
@johndonaldson3619 i work in failure analysis and it's often the case that the simple explanation is the correct one. It's not lazy per se, it's efficient. Whatever model incorporates the evidence and doesn't make too many assumptions/ parameters is often more reliable.
@@johndonaldson3619 No, it's logical thinking. No evidence points to this being done by someone outside the home.
@@trevorthetherapist4200 Which one is the conspiracy theory? The intruder theories are pretty wild when you think about it. Especially that ransom note lol..
"They have an unusual set of priorities." Very good observation.
Just because they couldn't prove the parents did it doesn't mean they didn't do it.
It doesn’t mean they did either…. That’s the thing about proof
Legally, it does indeed mean they didn't do it. Informally, we can think what we want.
@bills6093 legally it means they can't prove it beyond a resonable doubt look at oj your argument falls apart as he was found not guilty criminally then found liable both are legal processes
Just because they couldn't prove a intruder did it doesn't mean they didn't do it.
Just think-if the
parents are innocent what an additional hell this has been to be randomly accused of their precious daughter’s murder
Didn't watch the documentary but lived in CO when this happened, heard enough over the years. The brother or Patsy did it I think⛰️ Great analysis as always. Thanks Dr G😊🤍🤍
@@zenawarrior7442 You really need to watch the documentary, because of that's where the previous facts lead you to then you don't have enough of them. Just watch the Xmas home video in the last 15 seconds of episode 3 and you'll immediately have a new perspective.
@Stringwar Documentary isn't anything new...I've watched 100 like it. I stand by my views.
@@zenawarrior7442 Sounds like you just don't like being wrong so refuse to see all the facts put before you. Tell me how a 9yr old cracked open her skull, made a garotte , strangled her to death and. penetrated her vagina causing bleeding. No such crime would have been committed by a child let alone a brother.
@Stringwar Go away and get some manners or I'll report you fool.
Agree
One other thing I don’t think I’ve ever seen police botch an investigation the way they did this one ! Instead of securing the whole house they had friends of the family wandering around the house touching everything
I agree. And then the Boulder police became entrenched in their determination to win. I thought at that stage there needs to be a mechanism to have the FBI or some specialist body take over the case and exclude the local police.
There is another theory of course, which Dr Grande fails to mention for some reason, which is that the brother did it and the parents covered it up.
this is what i've always thought. i don't believe the intruder theory, never did.
He said "all family members in the house at the time, including Burke" were ruled out. He didn't fail to mention it.
Highly unlikely. No way would he have not buckled under the scrutiny of seasoned -- albeit arguably flawed -- detectives.
Nobody with half a brain believes that
But then, why would they willingly let Burke go over to the White's house the morning of the 26th? Had he done it, he'd likely have been traumatised to some degree and could have incriminated himself to the Whites. Far more likely John would keep Burke close by where he could ensure he didn't blurt out what had happened.
That is the sole time my ultimate viewpoint differs from Dr. Grande's. 😊
The claim made by her parents that they had not searched the house is suspicious.
Parents meticulously inspect the whole house before contacting anyone else.
Sad.. 💔
Many people site the sloppy police investigation as a reason to believe the parents are innocent. I would not discount the possibility that the police made numerous mistakes *AND* the parents could be guilty. These factors are not mutually exclusive.
That's a very good point. A lot of people suffer from that type of black and white thinking. The MacCanns are also "innocent" because the police were incompetent. 🤷♀️
Yes. I'd say that it's the reason they can't find them guilty! They botched it from the start
Yes! The either or mentality has me banging my head against a wall
Dr grande also tries to rule out an accident like someone couldn't accidentally kill or seriously injury a small 6 year old while trying to punish her
Boulder, Colorado has very limited experience with murders. It is a fact they made numerous mistakes. They didn't do things even novice detectives know to do in a kidnapping or murder investigation.
I find hard to believe the intruder theory when you research on the lot of books available regarding this case.
Those books are just about people trying to capitalize on this murder
After writing a three page ransom note the intruder decided to kill her in the basement, wash her body and go upstairs and rummage through the closet to find a pair of underwear, that were put away for her to grow into, and head back downstairs to recloth the body. Instead of walking out one of the doors with her. Make that make sense.
Do you know how many of those books are even true evidence?!? Probably not because most of the police all lied about this case to convict John and Patsy when the DNA doesn’t match
@@georgefromdownthehall3334
Exactly and how disturbing
The unidentified DNA under JonBenet's fingernails proves that a stranger attacked her.
The idea that an intruder murdered this child is ludicrous.
Hilariously ludicrous.
5-6 yr olds in sultry performances are ludicrous, watching pervs are ludicrous, unfixed broken windows in a house holiday-toured by strangers is ludicrous, not securing a crime scene is ludicrous, & unqualified “experts” like Steve Thomas (who had never worked a homicide) was ludicrous.
100%
The victim was tased and strangled with a skull fracture. I can't see a parent being so vicious to their 6 year old.
So, a 14 year old also in the same beauty pageants as the little girl was also attacked in her own home not far away, but the assailant was never found? Why isn’t this the logical culprit?!
Exactly. This pattern is extremely interesting.
I don't think it was the parents or a stranger/intruder. I think it was someone known to the family who was at the Christmas party and hid in the house until everyone was asleep and then assaulted and killed the child. He had plenty of time to write the note while the family was gone on Christmas day, or while they slept Christmas night. The Ramseys had no sense of danger whatsoever and opened their home for Parade of Homes shortly before Christmas and for a large Christmas party. They didn't have the security system on, and they left doors unlocked, making JonBenet an easy target. They probably knew the killer but had no idea this person was dangerous. The pageant scene is likely what made JonBenet a victim. The killer was obsessed with her and knew the family casually enough to be trusted to be at the Christmas party, or attended the Parade of Homes and scooped around unlocking doors to let himself back in, or noticing that doors were unlocked and a window was broken.
That's the most sense I've heard yet from anyone in this case!!
why write a note for a dead girl?
I agree with this. I think they were easy targets. I don’t necessarily think the intruder had to be known to them. They had a wide spread of connections- anyone could have attended those functions within reason. There were a lot of s predators on record living nearby as well.
The Ramseys didn't host a Christmas party on 25 Dec 96. They went to the home of Fleet and Priscilla White.
Parade of Homes was in 1994. They did not participate in 1995 or 1996.
There is no conceivable way a little girl is screaming, violently murdered, then a killer waits around in the house to write a note and then leave. WITHOUT ANYONE IN THE HOUSE HEARING WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!
The note was written BEFORE the killing -
They were in the house while the family was out at Christmas party and hid when they came home. Could have been right under the girls bed when patsy put her there
@johndonaldson3619 then why did the father use the excuse of the bonus being left out on the counter for the ransom amount on the ransom note? Why bring up the fact that there were quotes in movies that that dad had posters hanging in the house that were in the ransom note?
@c.s.804 Why could the neighbors hear screaming, but the family members inside the house couldn't?
@@socom54321They took her to the basement where no one could hear her scream. Investigators actually tested a scream from that basement and concluded that it could be heard from the next door over (given the broken window) but not upstairs in the bedrooms. In the basement, they found a suitcase underneath that broken window. There's a really disturbing theory that the intruder left her in the basement to go write the note in the kitchen. Being left in the basement alone Jon Benete would have been terrified at this point and decided to try and escape. She couldnt reach the broken window so she pushed a suit underneath it to try and climb up to escape. As she was about to climb up however the intruder came back, JonBenete screamed and the intruder panicked and hit her over the head with the flashlight.
Dude, it was Burke. Come on.
his body language in later interviews is EXCEEDINGLY CREEPY.
Joe Kenda says this case will never be solved. As he says: "Don't show me what you know, show me what you can prove."
Kids beauty pageants are exceedingly creepy. Making a literal child look like an adult is incredibly uncomfortable to say the least. I am putting that mildly.
Have followed this since it happened and I believe the brother did it. The details regarding Burke's behavior towards Jon Benet are not normal in any way, it's way beyond typical sibling fighting. I believe he most likely lashed out in anger but didn't actually intend the result. Parents didn't want to lose both of their kids so they covered it up.
If I remember correctly, there was a phone call made from the house (to 911?) and you can hear one of the parents say, "What did you do?" It convinced me the brother had done it.
It is a high possibility that Burke did kill her, intended or not intended. Several reasons why it could be him BUT the DNA in her underwear, the possible taser and easy access with the broken window should be considered.
This actually would make sense. Burke had been smearing feces on Jon Benét's belongings, and had hit her intentionally over the head with a golf club not long before this murder. Sounds like raging jealousy. Additionally, Burke's behavior has been suggestive to some (including me) of his being on the autism spectrum; doesn't mean he is a killer but could contribute to his feeling jealous of his more "normal" sister.
The brother did it. The parents wrote the letter to protect their son. Simple.
I think you've assessed this sad crime quite accurately as usual. Such a sad thing to happen to an innocent little child. And so sad to leave her family with so many questions and suspicion on them. Well done.
Not a murder, but unplanned rage by mother or Burke. Parents felt no choice but to stage as murder to protect social status and remaining family unit. Cannot explain away pineapple (timeline) and untouched spider web.8
baloney
They planted the DNA?
Brother did it
And the 9 year old fashioned and successfully used a garrote too and managed to do all this without leaving any DNA at the scene?
@@Fallocaust I don't think any 9 yo even knows what a garrote is, how to make one, or what it is used for. It took some thought to make one out of items that Patsy had on her desk.
One factor that makes the parents look bad/suspicious is that they lawyered-up very early on and refused to sit for separate interviews with police. This refusal to cooperate or even interview with police dragged on for weeks of even months as I recall. I understand there are legitimate reasons to retain counsel, but their complete lack of cooperation and stonewalling the investigation in its early stages is a bad look and extremely suspicious in this case.
@@Matthew-ATX they lawyered up because the police were instantly suspicious, it would be stupid to not get a lawyer. Why would patsy willingly give up her handwriting if she wrote the note ?
Nah all experts always tell u to never speak to the cops all real true crime fans know that simple rule.
It's always dawned if you do damn if you don't. If you don't get a lawyer it's "damn they should've got a lawyer" if you do get one "wow, that's suspicious"
They had wealth and connections to lawyers so to me it makes perfect sense especially since the police clearly dropped the ball. I’m sure the lawyer told them that the police have blinders on and are coming for you because of their mishandling of the crime scene. If something like this happened to my child i would get a lawyer
@@Matthew-ATX if you are ever connected to a crime, get a lawyer before you talk to the police ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. The police are not there to exclude you as a suspect.
I remember reading everything about this case, and one thing that came out was that about five other neighbors had keys to the house... I've always felt that it was a male neighbor who did it. They had given out copies of keys to the house as many people do, with people they think they can trust, in case they go on a trip, or lose their keys. Clearly, having so many people with extra copies of their house keys was foolish, so to me it was probably a male neighbor who had access to the keys or the house because of the broken basement window.
Brother did it and the parents covered it up.
She wrote that note
I believe there would have been enough evidence to convict her of obstruction of justice for writing that note. At a minimum she should have been charged with that. Murder charges could come later if more evidence surfaces. She's dead now, so that's not going to happen, but it should have.
I believe it was the 9-year-old brother who committed the crime. He could have felt inferior to his sister, a "showman," and perceived JonBenet as the far more deserving child because of her state may have delivered the blow to her head. But upon the parents discovering what had been done, they created a far more detailed and elaborate situation in order to protect the brother, their other only child remaining. And to this day the terrible truth is concealed by everyone remaining.
It has always seemed interesting to me that in the home movies, Jon-Benet is the focus and Burke is kind of the afterthought. Plus, he's just a strange character and still seems mentally off -- smiling through all those interviews in a creepy way. The idea that he did it -- either intentionally or not -- makes everything fall into place with the other odd actions of the parents and Patsy's ransom note.
Burk killed her when she took a piece of his pineapple and he hit her in the head with the mag flashlight. Patsy wrote the note. The father called all the neighbors over at 6am to mess up the crime scene. The tazer marks were an exact match to Burks piece of train track he used on her to see if she was alive. The mag light was a perfect fit in her skull. Dude???
Who cares that much about pineapple??
YUP. The Ramsays are 100% guilty.
@@SirenaSpades A spoiled, petulant child who deeply resented his little sister.
Shut up
this was my assumption of the case right from the start. there was never to me any evidance to show anyother possable situation.
so far Netflix has done a HORRIBLE job with its true crime documentaries,making some really unnecessary, unhinged,uninformed, un motivated & downright false & decietful docs like Menendez bros, Dahmer etc..at best reminiscing at worst harmful to the victims memories & their families..I'm not giving this rubbish the time of day..😒
Common sense points to Burk imo. The ransom note was obviously written by Patsy in my opinion, and who would she be protecting? Love for a child is unconditional, while love for a spouse often is not the same…. If the other child hurt their daughter I could see them working together to protect him (as well as their shallow reputation) but if one parent did it, I feel it’s less likely that the other would work so hard to protect the partner who killed their child. (I know it’s happened before in some other cases, but in this case it just doesn’t seem so to me personally)
And an edit to have, she was wearing the same clothes from the Christmas party the night before, and didn’t even mention to the police that they’d been threatened not to call the police
The problem with that is there is absolutely no evidence at all tying Burk to the crime. The DNA left on Jon Benet was not Burk's. With the recent advances in forensic genealogy, I'm not sure why they still haven't figured out who's DNA it is.
@@jg9002look at Burke’s history of violence and interviews soon after the murder…guilty
I’ve thought about this as well, but there are so many ways dna can casually transfer such as a random male child at the party or even a worker at the underwear factory.. and it’s such a small sample it’s hard to say
"but if one parent did it, I feel it’s less likely that the other would work so hard to protect the partner who killed their child."
Patsy covered for John for committing incest because she inflicted the head wound and John covered for Patsy for inflicting the head wound because he committed incest.
It wasn't just that another child was attacked nearby, it's that the attacker was in the home for hours, knew the name of the victim and followed a very similar MO in the attack, except for the killing, but that is because the parents woke up and stopped the attack. The police dismissed this as being related because the young girl was not killed.
I think the theory of the son hitting her on the head and the parents covering for him is what happened . It makes some of the crazy stuff they did after her death make sense. Why would they call friends to come over? What the heck are there friends going to do? I think it was a way to distract the police and also contaminate the crime scene. All to protect the son. Like they lost a daughter and they didn't want to lose a son too.
If Burke hit her but didn't know she was dead maybe they invented the intruder to prevent him knowing the truth and suffering from his own guilt?
No man wrote that note. Period.
@@SiloSoundStudios it was more likely a man. What woman would use the words attache, countermeasures and faction in such spontaneous circumstances. John was in the military for some time, these are terms very familiar to military men. Definitely the words of a man who's seen too many action films.
@Stringwar I didn't say the words. Physically written by a woman.
@@SiloSoundStudios I'm interested in a conversation about this. So do you think he murdered her and asks Patsy to write the note then dictated it to her?
I used to think patsy did it but I didn't have much info about 15yrs ago, last time I really read about it.
I feel patsy is quite a naive woman even if she was educated. John has a lot of influence over her and power, he was also a very powerful man locally. Patsy's 911 call does seem quite genuine and she says "what did you do" twice before the call cutting out.
but a crazy man would have -and there are plenty of crazies walking the street....
@@Stringwarit was the son that did it. They are parents that will do anything to cover up for their kids.
The theory that makes the most sense to me but clearly not a proven fact is that JonBennet's brother accidentally killed her. Patsy wrote the ransom note to throw police off because it was likely impossible to process at the time, that her son killed the child, and then the possibility of losing the son as well due to being convicted of the crime. The theory was that the son hit JonBennet on the head with a flashlight that was on the table leading to her death, but not necessarily intending for it to be lethal. It is not uncommon for siblings to abuse other siblings. But no one will ever know for certain what really happened...
Yup. And you may have noticed Burke is nowhere to be seen in this Netflix doc and the ransom note is barely touched upon.
I can't believe you think the Ramseys didn't do this crime
Thanks to zero police work we'll never know the truth.
Thank you.
I'm not diagnosing but one is insane for thinking that there was an intruder in a situation like this.
I don't know if Patsy knew until after the fact and was forced or coerced into writing that note, I'm not sure about her involvement (besides the ransom note) but I just really think that John was 100% involved and present but I don't think he was the only one. I think he had friends with him.
Actually, there were several cases in Australia (one being Karmein Chan) where intruders entered a house, and murdered the child, and the case remains unsolved to this day.
@@robw2486 was there a 3 page ransom note, with trashed practice notes, written on a pad/pen from inside the house in any of those cases?
The third new suspect identified in the documentary gave a plausible account of how he committed the crime, including writing the note. He said he broke in early in the evening and was in the house for hours, so he had time to prowl around, familiarise himself with the layout of the house, and read the paper rework in the kitchen that reported John's bonus.
There is an animus against the parents because of the pageants. I agree that the pageants are disgusting and probably attracted the killer's attention. But the case against the parents doesn't make sense.
I've NEVER thought it was the family. I've followed this case from DAY ONE. If you watch the very first CNN interview John & Patsy did, it's very obvious how broken they both were.
Both looked absolutely exhausted from all the stress and grief. Patsy was clearly under the effects of tranquilizers, as her speech was often slurred in it and she was bleary eyed. They were both devastated.
It's sad that most of the country believed the BS that Boulder PD was dishing our to the media.
They could still look exhausted from staying up all night to stage the scene, write the note. They could still be upset that she was dead. Just because people look exhausted and upset, does not mean they are innocent.
@davinasquirrel7672
It wasn't that type of exhaustion, of physically being tired. It was mental exhaustion from pure grief and upset. Those who have experienced that emotional exhaustion can easily recognize it in others.
Furthermore, the parents had no motive whatsoever. John was already traumatized from losing his older daughter just a few years before. Patsy had just recently survived stage 4 ovarian cancer, which almost always has a fatal outcome.
Due to those very recent experiences with end of life matters, they both knew how precious life was. The people who continue to accuse them are barking up the wrong tree & always have been.
There is obviously an epidemic of bad parenting in this country. One just needs to look at the incarceration population to see that something is really wrong with how children are being cared for. I would not be surprised if the parents know something about what happened to this young girl.
Why wouldn't the "intruder" hurt anyone else in the house?
And why would he murder her, leave the body AND WRITE A RANSOM NOTE? It makes absolutely ZERO sense
Because it was a attempted kidnapping. The goal was to take her and then get money from the family. He could have accidently killed her while trying to subdue her and then fled when he realized she was dead. The ransome note was written before the death.
@ The killing didn’t seem accidental tho
@@Hummerbird99The killing wasn’t accidental. She was strangled with a rope and had forcible trauma to her skull, as well as evidence of sexual assault.
@Hummerbird99 then why even leave the note in the first place if she was dead, if the goal was all money why not just take the body with you make everyone think she's Alive and try to collect the money makes no sense
Dr. Todd Grande, I've been watching your videos for quite some time now. I consider you one of the most intelligent, informative and thoughtful UA-camrs I've ever encountered. However, and with all due respect, this is the first time I've ever seen you make a mistake. In my humble opinion I think you allowed a Netflix documentary to persuade you into believing a falsehood. I did a deep dive into this case a long time ago and came to the opinion that JonBenet Ramsey was killed by her brother and the parents covered it up. I could be wrong and I'm open minded enough to change my mind should further evidence warrant such a change but I have yet to encounter this. My opinion of you hasn't changed, I still think you're one of the best on YT. Keep up the great work that you do and thanks for your time.
Well, this is not the first time that i disagree with Dr.Grande. And yes, most of the times he is spot on, i think.
But not always and not in this video. It's correct what you write apparently he changed his mind for some reason after seeing the netflix documentary. It seems that he trusts netflix more than his own common sense.
In your humble opinion you shout keep you views to your humble self
@@petervermeer.4904 "It seems that he trusts netflix more than his own common sense."
You might be surprised at how persuasive some people can be. For further information I recommend the book Influence: The Psychology Of Persuasion by Robert B. Cialdini, Ph.D
@@johndonaldson3619 How would you describe your opinion?
Yes. I’m thinking the same.
I had to check this was December 1st not April 1st. I am genuinely struggling to wrap my head around this analysis Dr Grande but I respect your opinion. Sad but true: Burke did it. The only thing that explains the actions and evidence is two desperate parents, protecting the one child they had left. RIP Patsy & Jonbennet. I hope you are together.❤
The Secret Service positively identified the pen and ink as being from a pen in the house. It was a pre-1992 water based Sharpie.The pad of paper also came from the Ramsey house.
With all due respect: you were right in the first video.
Obviously do not know what happened in that house.
Another unusual thing…Patsy said she got up and got dressed
for the trip that morning…she put on the same clothing that she
wore to the party the night before…not unheard of, but very
unusual for a woman like Patsy.
To me it would be prudent to slip back into the same outfit just to travel on the company plane and change at the destination. The outfit was probably not that dirty, only having been worn a few hours the night before.
I am from Boulder and have always maintained the family had absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy! The BPD were completely out of their league and did not allow outside more experienced teams to come in to help! THAT is the reason 25+ years later… there still is no justice
that main cop, the confused guy has never been a cop since 98. tells you enough
@@mw4724 Most likely the father did it. An intruder is a silly hypothesis given the ransom note for a person who is already dead and likely to be found. Family males are often unfolded in infanticide.
@@Stringwar Agreed. Most likely the son. He was jealous of her and killed her. the father covered it up.
@@barbj9785 Fantasy land. Don't become a cop.
the biggest issue with me is the undisturbed spider webs on the window ledge that would or should have been destroyed if someone crawled in and out of the window. Was this ever debunked?
and no fibers of clothing being caught or left behind with crawling in and out of the window
Plus, John conveniently mentions that he broke the window and crawled in a couple of months prior which would have explained his fingerprints, clothing fibers, dna or shoe prints had they been found in that area. He was smart and I think he staged this piece of evidence to cover up his involvement.
@@CrystalsLife481good point. Usually, well off people would get the window fixed as soon as possible, especially if there was a hundred burglaries in the area within months before the incident. Plus in higher end neighborhoods, folks like to keep their homes looking immaculate ( nice lawns, fresh paint, straight fences….quire the opposite of my neighborhood)
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And why did John take responsibility for the broken window 🪟? Who breaks a window in their own mansion, instead of calling their wife or housekeeper to get the spare key 🗝️
And the door where her body was found was latched on the inner side of the house. Not inside the room.
Her brother killed her, her parents covered it up. INCLUDING making a PRACTICE ransom note. AND demanding the ransom be JUST what Jon had received as a year end bonus.
Always good to hear your thoughts and analysis on these things.
The note is obviously the key to the mystery, If the intruder used info around the house to write it. I used to think parents were involved but DNA changed my mind. Why don’t they do a familial DNA test?
Exactly what I've been wandering another documentary i seen on case says it was likely an Hispanic male which i am to so not saying any crazy racism nonsense they could do that with dna
The handling of the DNA evidence by the police is abominable.
@@phillipmartinez9232They did it the brother or father. The mother on the yelling at her son what did you do.
It is a very small amount of DNA, so they want to be very careful and not waste it, possibly waiting for even better technology, or waiting for a good suspect to compare the DNA to.
It’s touch dna, not semen or anything like that. The undies weren’t even jonbenet’s, they were a gift for her half sister. Could be anyone’s dna.
Believing that there was an intruder in this case is in the same category of believing Santa is real
Please review the Russell Williams case - you may change your mind.
@@janetsmith8566 You build a straw man argument, the commenter said "an intruder IN THIS CASE" not that there are no such things as intruders. I am well aware of who Russell Williams is.
Agreed! This is a OJ Simpson type case.
Through a whole bunch of distracting information and doubt starts creeping in. It was the brother and the parents covered it up.
The police are holding on to those samples and won't get them tested. They need to do this NOW and put all this to rest.
The other option is that the parents know who killed her and they covered up for that person. That explains the foreign DNA, the suspicious note and the fact that the neighbors could hear things, but the family claims they did not.
The son did it. The parents covered it up.
After hearing of the case in France ,where a woman was drugged and sold by her own for a decade and didn't even know it, I really would still consider a family member being involved
$118k ransom seems oddly specific.
In my unprofessional opinion, it was someone involved in the pageant scene. They may have known the Ramsey’s, but they didn’t know him. They likely staked out their residence for quite a while, and may have even entered the house at an earlier date to scope it out. Loner type, hence the ability to dedicate time to something like this around the holidays.. which coincidentally would’ve had the largest impact on the family.
Agreed
No, someone inside the house killed the girl. No mysterious stranger who stays in a strange house for hours and hours.
Only in movies and books, fiction and fantasy stories.
@@petervermeer.4904 It was a hypothetical. But if it helps you, the BTK Killer did exactly that for years. Entered the homes to understand the layout, and watched them for months. Look at his first murders and how the girl was found in the basement- I’d imagine whoever killed JBR had similar pathologies (Stalking, sexual sadism, etc).
The amount of the ransom demonstrated someone intimately involved with the family did it. You can’t just make up that odd amount.
The killer was in the hours before the murder. The killer seen information about the bonus amount.
Yeah that was always red flag, but never saw theory til this it was on papers in house, I have seen before it was mentioned in local news paper before case maybe not exact amount could've have been but whole story was about him getting bonus, prominent business didn't know it got absorbed by Lockheed martin
@@ryansantos6785its hard to think same dna would be on underwear possibly contaminated but under her fingernails same dna seems very unlikely it wasn't killer
Or knew his way around the house to easily find her room...
@@ryansantos6785 Maybe read some books or watch other docs on this. Its just crazy how this Netflix "doc" has made all these things sound like facts.
Pretend you are the intruder. You slip into the window. Roam around the house, hang out at the desk and practice the note a couple of times until you come up with your final draft. Walk around the first lvl some more, fix a bowl of pineapple then wander up to find her.
You take her back to the dining room so she can have a bite of it. Then you take her downstairs to the basement and commit the crime. After it’s done: you go back upstairs and leave the flashlight on the counter so you can then go back downstairs to leave.
No. No way.
Only person who could have walked around the house and fixed a bowl of pineapple etc etc without waking anyone was Burke. Period. John really should consider moving on to his next chapter and leaving this one alone. He may not like what comes from an additional investigation. Don’t think Burke would like it either.
I used to think this. He could have written the note. But the garrotte? A bridge too far for me. Check out the Russell Williams case.
@@lisawilson105 a 9yr old didn't do that. Complex crime scene, too weak, he couldn't have written the note at age 9 unless he was a writing genius. If you've got kids you'd know thats impossible. 9yr old writing is awful, the prose is terrible, their grammar is terrible, he wouldn't have known words like countermeasures, attache and faction, let alone fashion a full coherent kidnapping fantasy and knowing his dad's bonis exactly, you dont tell your kids what money you earn. This is 1996. Kids read comic books and watched cartoons, not read jack reacher novels.
Agreed ! He already got away with murder once I don’t know why he’s rocking the boat.
This documentary makes me more suspicious of the Ramseys. Oh, well… we will never know what happened.
It is beyond clear that the Ramsey's were responsible for their daughters death. Burke claimed to know nothing until he was awakened by his parents after the police arrived. The only possible solution to this case is that Burke killed JonBenet because she ate his pineapple. Burke had mental illness at the time, was unstable, and during a long interview, only smiled as he was questioned. He killed his sister, and his parents covered up the murder since they just lost one child and did not want to lose a second child. His mother wrote the note. I don't think this is a mystery at all. We have known for a long time what happened. There was a remote chance of an intruder, but if you see all the evidence, that has been ruled out. It's a solved case ... period. By the way, it is almost always wrong when you go with your gut feeling and then change it as Dr Grande has done. Second guessing your feelings is virtually always the wrong thing to do.
Hand writing test didn't match.
@@sammas2959 What are you talking about? Patsy's handwriting was an extremely close match to the ransom note, and the slight differences appeared to be because she was purposely trying to changed her writing.
I spent decades believing the parents were involved. Now I think the police were messy and someone who knew her from pageants broke in, intended to take her, killed her instead and then climbed back out that window. Mostly I just don’t think her dad would still be fighting for evidence testing if it were him.
Let’s be fair, the police were sloppy bc they assumed a kidnapping at first. There was no need to secure the entire house at the time bc of that. Even if they did, the scene was compromised when the family friends came over and seemingly ignored the police there it seems. She was in full rigor when her body was “found”, he went directly to where she was.
John is deflecting. I find him to be a horrible man. The parents WERE involved.
@@calebchristensen900 regardless they were sloppy. Him going directly to where she was means nothing.
You’re missing the part where the same “intruder” walked around the house leisurely doing tasks such as finding pens, writing a draft of the letter and starting a new one, wiping down areas using cleaning stuff found in the house, “supposedly” making a bowl of pineapple and glass of milk since neither parent remembers doing it (if they did remember it would conflict with their timeline and digestion of food contents in stomach). If there was an “intruder” they did not simply come in, murder, and leave.
Then he played you. Well done.
Netflix documentaries seem really committed to rehabilitating the images of very obviously guilty people.
They took a payment from John Ramsey
I have always believed that the father unintentionally caused her death, but the mother shielded him by hiding the truth. Currently, my viewpoint remains the same.
I was thinking the same thing the fact Dr grande came to this conclusion is beyond me seems he fell victim to the pr agency, everything about this case screams that it was someone in that house who did it
The parents and Burke say they did not give her pineapple. Is it realistic to believe that an intruder would give her pineapple in milk?
These child beauty pageants exploit children ! The ransom note is a joke ! I just can’t get past the parents at first I thought maybe the brother, but he would have to be very strong to do what the killer did ! That poor little girl was killed by someone in the house, and I don’t believe it was a stranger … Prayers for Jonbenet I know she got the express elevator straight up to heaven.🙏🙏🙏
WHY WOULD SOMEONE WRITE A RANSOM NOTE AND LEAVE THE BODY? And why was Mrs Ramsey dressed the same way as she was during the fest? Did she wear her festive clothes the day after? Did they find the body, and she put on nice clothes for the cops? Everything is just so weird
Because the ransom note was written before the death. He could have accidently killed her while trying to subdue her and then fled when he realized she was dead..
@Hummerbird99 then why even leave the note?
@@connorfuhrman6986 Intruder panicked, ran off and forgot all about the note!
The cops receive a report of a missing little girl and a ransom note, and don't immediately process the whole house for trace evidence....HuGE FAIL.
The scene was tainted by then, because they invited friends over when they 'realised' they couldn't find her. Before they called the police.
The fascination with this case stems from the notion that regardless of who you believe the culprit is (intruder or parent) you would have to suppress some extreme atypical factors.
There are things that point both to and away both parents and intruders. You can’t blame or exonerate one or the others without looking past some strong arguments pulling you the opposite way.
I think it's John becaue he used the word ''proper burial'' in an old interview with Patsy, the ransom note also says ''proper burial''. It doesn't prove it, but I would say burial or bury her.
Wait, but I thought Patsy wrote it
@@georgefromdownthehall3334I believe John dictated the note to Patsy
@@rhiannon7163that makes so much sense.
@@rhiannon7163 I completely disagree. That note sounds like something a woman would write, not a man.
Please research the case and do not imagine a documentary on Netflix, necessarily has the goods. -- "While multiple handwriting analysts concluded that it was likely, but not definitive, that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note for the murder of her daughter JonBenét, the modern understanding of handwriting analysis is that it's not a reliable forensic tool -- "Handwriting experts from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) concluded that Patsy was the likely author of the note, but they couldn't be certain. ... "The note was written on a notepad that belonged to Patsy, and the writer used a Sharpie from the house. The note was also originally addressed to "Mr. & Mrs." before being changed to just John." ... This evidence would not convict, yet it seems obvious that the parents had a hand in this. Kind of sickening. -- My guess is the mother had a failing relationship with the father. Among other misdeeds, contrary to a marriage; father doted on daughter. Mother perhaps under the influence, jealous for many reasons and enraged toward the husband; did the deed as a strike against her husband, but quickly regretted her action. Then father tried to cover it up. ... The documentary means nothing. It's a TV show designed to get viewers, make money and excite controversy; anything can be said, without verification or authenticity.
The Netflix special is so bias it’s ridiculous
No call from kidnappers because body was ‘ left’ in the house . If are leaving a body why leave a ransom ‘ long ‘ note ?
Her brother did it, and their parents covered it up
I’ve read every major book and seen most podcasts on this subject and will watch the documentary soon. Unless I see evidence I disagree with Dr grande here as the weight of all the evidence still leans away from intruder theory.
I don’t think we will ever know who killed her either. Sad.
Oh I’m a glad! Can’t wait to hear your analysis, sparing me the agony of watching the Netflix show. 😊
So I recently heard a theory……It was an intruder who had actually been squatting in the house for some time. Apparently, their house was so big that it would be no surprise if you didn’t hear something in the basement from all the way upstairs. The theory is that the killer had actually been living in the basement/home unbeknownst to the family. This would explain why there were no footprints in the snow. They had been there the whole time, and the investigation was so botched that they got away with all of it. Just something to think about 🤔
That seems possible to me. There were probably p3dos who knew of JBR from the news since she was in pageants. Also, their house was open during Xmas for home tours and they were in and out of parties at various houses. I don’t think Burke was sophisticated enough to make a garrote.
I remember hearing once that people who named their kids after themselves are narcissists.. and this poor girl was named after both her mom and dad.. just that puts a bad taste in my mouth… just saying
the book “Foreign Fractions” by the lead detective on the case is very thorough and detailed and covers things not mentioned in the Netflix doc. The brother had previously sent JB to the ER when he hit her in the face with a golf club. There are many other details not mentioned elsewhere. Please look into it.
"The brother had previously sent JB to the ER when he hit her in the face with a golf club."
You conveniently neglected to state that he didn't know she was behind him when he did a backswing with a golf club and clipped her under her eye. You did this because it didn't fit your narrative that he intentionally did it.
Burke clocked his sister with a golf club about a year before Mom and Dad covered up whatever he did this time around ..end of story
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JonBenét's final resting place is at St. James Episcopal Church in Marietta, GA, where her mother, Patsy, now rests as well. I visited her grave years ago, before Patsy's passing, during a time when I had business at the church. The tragedy of their story continues to cast a shadow over the family.