True, but that's why they have several ways to answer. When multiple people are assholes, the commenters put ESH - everyone sucks here. There's also NAH - no assholes here, because sometimes there's just a misunderstanding in which both people's point of view are reasonable for where they are coming from.
"Oh you have a job and support yourself? Your opinions are still worthless, go sit at the kiddie table." Why stick around with a bunch of ppl who clearly have no respect for you? I would go do my own thing, like a man. You can still love your relatives without liking them.
He shouldn’t have only taken the quiche. He should’ve dissembled the table he helped the “adults” set up before he left. Surely they’d not want to dine on a table set up by a child...
Excatly, I don't get why people think leaving is childish. You clearly aren't wanted, so leave. Its not like he made a big tantrum or anything. I've been to parties or gatherings or even been out on the town with people and had times where it was clear I either wasn't really wanted there, or that the people wanted to talk to other people so I left. What are you supposed to just sit there while a bunch of people who don't respect you eat your food?
@@dash4800 he is childish because be makes his seating plate about weather he is grown or not, why would he have a peoblem sitting next to his family? No matter the age
I did 4 years of a PhD and quit. That doesn't make you an ass. Giving people who aren't your students a reading and writing assignment makes you an ass.
I think Matt had the wrong take on this... why didn't he go with the "who the F cares what they think... it's your life, your money, and your decision... no need to do this dumb essay junk". Instead he went with the puzzling "degrees are a scam" nonsense instead, which reinforces anti-science twaddle and fear of experts that is becoming more widespread on the right.
@@Rayrard no he is pointing out how most degrees are actually scams, because they cost $$$$$ and lots of time, when it in no way guarantees a high paying position, many degrees including masters and PhDs are pointless. unless credentialing is strict in the field you want to be employed in or you lack the ability to acquire and apply information yourself. just look online you will find thousands of people who believed they were destined for greatness, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole, a meaningless piece of paper in their hand, but no job to call their own. the degree isn't a scam in and of itself, the marketing, the push, the idea that you will make it big because you have a degree is non-sense. these kids believe it and ruin their lives.
@@chicanopicano6432 You are right on some points, but to call it a "scam" because you spent time and money on education is a stretch, and no one going into degrees has a time machine to tell them what the job market will be like. It's a quitter mentality to give up on your dream career because the odds are stacked against you. You just need backup plans, and that is what happens with a lot of those people with the "paper" but nothing to show for it. The glut of overeducated people is indeed a real problem now and the PhD is rapidly being devalued by the number of people getting them and not enough jobs. I still would not call that a scam though. I consider scams the online universities and the diploma mills (unaccredited mail in degrees). Those are real scams. People make a choice to get the advanced degrees and it is NOT a scam to them. It's a huge accomplishment to complete and defend a doctorate degree, and you'd be lying if you weren't proud of your child if they successfully finished one. Another thing is that most advanced degrees are not a waste of money because they pay you to do graduate work (or at least most do). I did my Masters and didn't have to pay anything. I could have gotten a PhD, but I decided against entering academia which is all about grants and not at all focused on the science beyond grant writing. I wouldn't have had to pay for the PhD either because they have stipends and TA assistantships to compensate you (plus they waive tuition). I don't regret the time spent on that degree as it sent my on my current path that was different from my original plan. I would never have gotten there without the connections I made and my degrees. You have points on the excessive PhD's, the lack of jobs, and the time taken to get one that could be used elsewhere, but these degrees are a requirement for almost any scientific job or doctor, and I think any engineering job too. So Matt using the 98% number is absurd, unless Matt doesn't value any jobs requiring very advanced or focused skills. I think the "women's studies" degrees have clouded his judgement on "useless degrees".
@@Rayrard well college is mostly a scam unless you have to go to get a certain job but most of the time it is a scam and if you went to college for 4 years and quit before you got your PhD you're an idiot and an asshole you spent all this time and money doing this and you just gave up when you were almost finished because it got hard if you're going to do something do it you just wasted your time and money for nothing because it got hard the lady in the video shouldn't be surprised that her family is disappointed she should be disappointed
Yea he's childish for storming out, but it's ridiculous that he was disrespected like that after trying to take on responsibility. They're both assholes.
@@jasono2139 For real. I live about 40 minutes away from Seattle and it's a hot mess. I'm scared of getting shot everytime I go to the city which is rare.
@@bdthecat3517 that must be really weird... because I feel prefectly safe in the deepest red parts of the country where literally everyone and their dog is packing heat. Very little crime, people just go about their business, and nobody has to guess anyone's pronouns.
I thought the same. We have had 20 year olds at a "kids" table because there are only so many seats, it wasn't a disrespect to them and we all laughed about it. If there was room, the aunt was an a-hole, if there wasn't room and she still said no way, she is still the a-hole. Quiche to a picnic? Either a very immature choice or a very strange family
@@alicelaybourne1620 Haha I don’t get what’s wrong with Quiche for a picnic, especially if it were a breakfast type picnic. How is it much different than someone bringing a pie? Maybe I’m partial though bc I love quiche 😂
In the first story I don’t understand how him leaving the family dinner after getting insulted by everyone is somehow childish. What grown ass adult would just stay there after getting insulted instead of just leaving?
Leaving is one thing but by the description it appears the guy stormed off in a very child-like manner. Had he stepped it up and opened a debate with the rest of the adults at the gathering and they still gave him the same level of disrespect and he told them he would not accept that and then left- I could side with him, but to childishly storm off because your aunt is being a bitch is a bit too low for maturity level.
It depends on how he left. Mat said he "stormed off", which would make him both childish and the a-hole, of course that could have been a "Matt summary", as he probably just took the food and left, which makes sense as I brought the food, I'll eat it later. Although quiche to a picnic, he's definitely the a-hole for that.
@@reasonablyserious Not at all. Especially if you actually read the parts that Matt glossed over. He said that the guy stormed off but that isn't how the post described it at all. His Aunt said he had "not much to contribute to adult conversations". Forget the picnic, I wouldn't have anything to do with this family at all.
Also, Matt actually said that OP leaving proves that he is childish. Demanding to be treated like an adult means that you don't deserve to be treated like an adult? This is like when feminists say that criticism of feminism is why we need feminism.
He missed out on an opportunity to bond with the younger members of his family. They would have had great memories of sitting at the table with their bigger cousin.
While I do not agree with the reaction of the first guy, I can see why he would be upset. If I had been forced to sit at the kids` table at a family gathering when I was in my early 20`s, I would not have been happy about that! Not only would I find that insulting, but I have always just enjoyed sitting and visiting with the adults more. I also do not agree that you need to be married or have kids to be classed as an "adult". Is anyone classed as a "child" if they are single and childless at 30, 40, 50, 60, etc? I don`t think so! I am single and childless at 31, and I live on my own, drive, pay my bills, have a steady job, and do all the things that adults need to do to survive. I have worked hard to get to where I am today, so I would be insulted if anyone still saw me as a "child", simply because I do not have a husband or children!
@@danjohnson6870 According to your logic, Jesus Christ Himself would have to sit at the kid's table. And I'd love to see you try to call Him a snowflake to His face.
There weren't extra seats at the adult table. No one younger than him was at the adult table. PAY ATTENTION. You're acting childish. Hence you sit where you belong. #Hissyfit
@@edithsmom6140 I'm with you... and I'm married with kids. You never know what direction a kid conversation is going and adult conversation are dull and predictable.
@@edithsmom6140 I do agree! Whenever I am at a family party I always hang with my kids and their friends or other family kids. Children aren’t phony and I love that.
I'm a 40 year old man who is single and has no kids. I still feel like I count as one of the kids until I get married, but my family doesn't still do a separate kids table.
I agree with the boy, his mother didn't want to lose her figure from him being created and born, and he should choose whether he calls her mom. Mom is a name many of us women earned because of our sacrifice and while I realize sometimes medical issues are involved with surrogate decisions this story didn't mention that being the root of her choice.
Yes!!! Medical reasons for needing a surrogate are totally valid… her reasons were just selfish. She missed out on that physical and chemical connection that happens between mothers and their child in the womb. The kid is totally right💯
I have to disagree with the first take. Quiche man didn’t do anything wrong, yet his family casts him aside. I say his aunt is the asshole for not wanting to associate with her family. Storming off might not have been the best choice, but neither is accepting disrespect.
I don't know... I see it a little differently. The aunt's an a-hole. I think she's rigid. I'm with you on that. But why make a feud out of it? The kids are your family too. So... I flash the "pair of a-holes" card. No wonder it's going nowhere. You can have it out with your aunt a later time if you must. It's not worth the scene.
@@newpinglegend9304 nah thing is it’s not just an eating thing the whole point is to catch up and socialize with family can’t imagine a 22 year old man would have anything in common with 10 year olds
@@pelumiogunlana1058 I didn't say anything about food. I didn't say it was an eating thing. What he has in common with the 10 year olds is they're also family. Just as you say. They won't always be ten. The day will come when they look back on the uncle (or whatever) who wasn't too cool to hang out with them when they were ten. Sometimes you take the long view. It's not about who you think has what in common. It's about finding that out. Plus the table part is just the eating part. You can probably do both. You don't punish your whole family for one transgressor.
Sounds like someone who has his own place and adult responsibilities who got disrespected would do I'm sorry but they were rude. Being single doesn't make them a child. But that adult table doesn't sound very fun anyway. Leaving was a fine decision
Being a parent doesn't make you an adult. I wouldn't call the 14yo kids getting prenatal ultrasounds at the hospital I study at "responsible adults". Quite the opposite
Exactly. That take was stupid as hell. His aunt is the asshole for making a stink about something completely ridiculous. My mom would have told my aunt to shut the fuck up.
For that first story, young adults being discouraged from being included with other adults is part of society's problem; 20-something and 30-something year olds still associating themselves with children (and acting like it). My great grandpa smoked and had a job when he was 15. My friend's 2 oldest sons have jobs, are learning how to take care of cars, buying their own clothes/shoes and saving for the future and they're both under 18. Treat a young adult like a child and they'll act like a child; raise the bar, expect more and treat them like an adult and they'll rise to the occasion.
When you're an adult you have a choice regardless of how other people treat you. For example, I was raised in the millennial generation got married at 21 and had my first kid at 22. There's no reason younger adults can't jump into adulthood. Nothing is stopping them.
@@jeannedarc5351 He is talking about the way society perceive, treat and educate young people is the reason people do not mature anymore, they get treated as children, expected to behave as children, excused for their behavious as children and sometimes rejected from being viewed as adults as they were children, that makes so they stay children, because no one nurtured them to become adults.
@@thedarkknight9021 Nope. Once you're 18 it's your choice how you live your life. Like I said, I am a millennial. I was raised in the same generation with the same cultural notions that I should be a kid until I was 30. But I chose to move out at 18 and live my own life. Nothing is stopping young adults from doing this. Blaming your parents and the culture is just another way to stay a child forever.
@@jeannedarc5351 I am not saying that someone is stopping them, and I certainly not need to excuse myself, I am saying that in order to become an adult you have to be nurtured to become that, society does this no more, the result is that people are not becoming adults anymore. That if they want they can is irrelevant, most people won't because the way they have been nurtured made them immature.
@@thedarkknight9021 And what I'm saying is that you are clearly mistaken. I was nurtured to think I wouldn't be an adult until I was closer to 30. But because people have free will, I decided to move out and grow up. Nothing is preventing anyone else from making this same choice. We aren't just slaves to our upbringing, if that were the case people wouldn't so often find themselves at odds with their parents beliefs, which is fairly common. It's merely an excuse to blame your parents or the culture. A wise person once told me, if you can identify the problem it is now entirely your responsibility to solve it.
@@averagejoe9040 yes and he did his time at the kids table when he was a kid, the guy is living independently (a lot of people at age 22 can't say this) if his family won't treat him with respect then why is he obligated to be respectful to them
@@bonds927 nah, that aint how the kids table works. If you want out, either someone at the adults table is no longer with us, or someone has to take your place at the kids table. Im 24, Im still at the kids table along with my adult cousins. It has very little to do with age.
@@averagejoe9040 well then your family doesn't see you or respect you the way they should. You are a 24 year old person, I was taught you become an adult right after you graduate high school. Either you went off to college or got a job to save up for your own place so you can move out or pay rent
@@bonds927 in all regards I am treated like an adult. Again, the kids table isnt about age. Unfortunetly, the tradition of the kids table in my family is fading as christmas eve dinner is very rarely held in my grand mother's house. And it very rarely has too many attendants to fit in one table. Sad tiddings indeed.
Usually agree with Matt, but don't agree you need to have kids to sit at an adult table. Would you sit Mother Theresa or an infertile couple at a kids table solely because they don't have kids? Now, Mother Theresa would probably prefer the kids table, but that's a separate issue.
I think the "need a kid to be an adult" rule is pretty cruel. I'm married and in my 30s. We've been trying to have kids for years, and it is very painful it isn't happening. I have a daughter from a sexual assault who is in an open adoption. I want to be able to raise a child with my husband more than anything in the world. If someone treated my husband like a child because we don't have a baby together I would be livid.
@@bonds927 Not cruel at all, litterally every person in your ancestry made the effort to have kids before you, most of them under horrible conditions even compared to poor people today.
@@langdonledwig3734 He was wrong in the 2nd situation? How so? The girl wanted her family to write an essay for her. Thats absolutely ridiculous and quite the a hole thing to do.
95% of these are "this person assailed me with some minor grievance that most people would agree I'm in the right over, but then I threw a temper tantrum and ruined any good will I might have had"
To be fair, if that first guy isn't considered adult enough to sit with the adults, then they don't get to complain when he takes his food back. After all, kids aren't expected to cook anything for picnics, right? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
I have to disagree with the idea that you're not an adult until you have kids of your own. I think by the time you have graduated college, bought a home, socked away some future nest egg and hold a professional position of some responsibility, you are clearly an adult regardless of your martial or child status. And some parents don't meet ANY of the above and can't be considered adults by those standards or by their behavior or their child rearing decisions.
I kinda relate to the first guy, he sounds like he made that Quiche and is proud to be a grown man with grown up tastes, but instead the adults want to seat him next to the kids. I'm turning 20 this year and even though I don't like talking to anyone in general, I would sort of appreciate talking with the adults rather than the kids. Not that any of his response is necessarily justified, but I do think banning him from the adult table for not having kids at 22 seems silly.
I was going to disagree with Matt but I did notice a difference once I actually had a wife and started having kids that the aunts, uncles, etc start treating me different. I still think my cousins and brothers in their 20s are still kids when we're all together lol.
If I had to choose, I'd rather sit with kids, as long as I'm not responsible for keeping them in line. But I wouldn't want to be told I HAVE TO sit at the kid's table.
Im gonna have to disagree with Matt on the table thing. An adult is an adult regardless of whether they have kids or not and he had every right to leave when his family was being petty and rude to him.
Agreed I would have left too. I have disabilities so I run into the issue of being treated like I'm 7 years old and I do tend to get a little bit salty at that.
I love Matt but what the fuck was he smoking during this? That guy's family degraded, disrespected and humiliated him. I would have told them to fuck themselves and left too.
Petty would be taking the keish with him as some sort of punishment to them. I understand why that’s frustrating, but I also feel like the is 22 year old young man knows his family is by now.
Interesting... Paul was not married, and infact he called singleness a gift from God. 1 Cor 7. Maturity should not be focused on whether you have children.
@JANET NYIRENDA yes, but again this size and appearance of your ministry should not matter. What about the one guy who serves every day in his life cleaning the church and feeding struggling members, his ministry might not be as visual or as impressive as an apostle, and yet his service glorify God as much as Paul's ministry. A young Christian serving God in his singleness is in no way less mature than those who are married, in fact if your desire is under control and you are devoted to God as Paul says in 1 Cor 7 then in verse 38 he concludes: "So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better." because he spends more time in his devotion to God, he will mature faster. :) That said, singleness is a gift, and it should be properly and prayerfully considered.
@@jasono2139 says the bible 😀 are you saying that people who are not parents should not say anything, because that would be an extremely immature stance to take. You won't like the logical conclusion of that thought.
I wouldn’t have stormed off, but there is no way I’m going to be disrespected/humiliated into staying seated with children. I’m not a child I’m a grown married woman.
The AUNT was in the wrong. He IS an adult and I can totally understand his being put out and annoyed. Life is different for different people. I didn’t find my wife (happily married now for 15 years) and married until 40. Would I have to sit with children for all those stupid years simply because I wasn’t on someone else’s timetable? Ridiculous!
I completely disagree with the first one. Minus the quiche. Who the hell brings a quich to a picnic? Table hierarchies in general are dogmatic. Being an adult is more than having a wife and kids, and it's incredibly childish to suggest otherwise. Intentionally ostracizing a family member specifically and exclusively because they're not living the exact life somebody else wants is incredibly toxic and should in no way shape or form be tolerated or promoted. I'd leave just so I could bring a quiche back out of spite. I feel sorry for your kids.
You have to have kids to prove you're an adult? thats absurd as hell. many people are adult enough to accept theyre in a financial or mental situation that they know they can't take care of a child properly. following this logic, these type of people are less of an adult than a mentaly unstable person with several children
💯. My brother and his wife don’t have kids yet. He’s an amazing uncle though. Responsible. Hard working . But hey .... according to Matt Walsh he’s less of an adult than a literal child abuser . Someone who abuses their OWN Children is more of an adult than an adult who’s not had children... Terrible take....
@@Emwest84 Good for him. and dont get me wrong, i love children, and i love matts channel, but that doesnt mean everything he says is 100 percent true.
I just read the most fascinating story about how the cells of the mother and baby nourish each other and it stays with them forever. That’s something irreplaceable to me.
No I get it about walking out. Inwas in my third year of medical school and they asked me to sit at the kids table. I was the only never married adult and all my much younger sibs and cousins were at the adult table. I didn't leave but because I am a woman and really didn’t want to be single I cried. I could still cry thinking about it.
That’s horrible. I’m sorry. I’m a firm believer that if you really do end up needing an adult at the kids’ table, first in line should be the people who gave them life.
Sounds like they wanted a grownup who would supervise the kids at the kid’s table. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen. It’s not that they think you’re not mature enough to be with the adults. It’s more of, “She came by herself and she gets along with the kids, so we’ll make use of her there.” I should warn you that it’ll happen again. So next time, come to the event early to make sure you get a choice of where to sit, sit down at the adults’ table and don’t budge.
10:06 my mother used to give me her credit card all the time when I was in high school. She used to give me a note explaining I had her permission, she would sign it and date it. No one ever questioned me so I never had to use the note but anyway, my mother used to give me her card all the time to use (until I had my own card once I started working and had my own money to spend… but if I was going shopping to buy clothes or books or whatever my mother would trust me to use it for what I was supposed to and I never violated her trust.) My point is… just because she has forbidden her own child from using HER card doesn’t mean that ALL parents do that. Some parents allow it. For various reasons. And it’s none of this woman’s business what another parent allows their child to do. It’s not her responsibility or her business.
I thought the same until it said the total was in the 4 digits. Someone should definitely question it if the child is spending over 1 thousand dollars.
Huge fan, but I 100% disagree with you on the first one. Being married and or having a kid does not make you an adult. Taking care of yourself, supporting yourself, being self sufficient is being an adult. Age is a part of it as well but just because I’m not married or have kids does not mean i should be treated as a kid, especially when I provide for myself. That’s probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard you say, granted I’m a relatively new fan lol
If you think this was ridiculous, buckle your seatbelt. He’s the a-hole a lot of the time. I agree with you. Parenthood doesn’t equate to adulthood. In my mind anyone who contributes an equal or greater amount to society than they take is an adult. Anyone who doesn’t is a child regardless of their age.
A woman who is more worried about her body than her own son, will never be neither a good woman, nor a good mom. The fact that she can't see what is wrong, increases my level of disgust way out of the scale.
@Kamie Edwards yeah the way she talked about the other woman was disgusting. Ooh that made me mad to hear that disrespect for the surrogate mother who actually did the work and faced the sacrifice. It's not like she was incapable of having a kid or at high risk if she had her kid like a normal non narcissistic woman. Smh
Much respect Matt but I have to disagree, the first guy is not the asshole in this situation. A 22-year-old is as much an adult as a 40-year old however they are just at different stages of being an adult.
I agree he's an ahole for bringing a quiche, but he does sound like he's out on his own and provides for himself so he's at least enough of an adult to be at the adult table. Id probably sit by myself someplace in this situation but leaving is justified as well.
The Aunt is undeniably an asshole for telling a 22 year old to sit at the kids table. Now this gentleman could have just laughed it off and remained at the "grown ups" table. I doubt his aunt would have dragged him away by his ear. He could have also gone and sat at the kids table, and been the "cool uncle". Instead he decided to stomp off with his bottom lip out. It's probably behavior like that, that got him seated at the kids table in the first place.
Isn't anyone going to ask why the picnic guy's dad didn't speak up and say that he wanted to sit next to his son? I am on good terms with lots of my extended family but any time my kid wants to hang out with me, I call that a win.
@@kohltonclark22 Idiotic joke if so. What adult doesn't remember how much they valued being treated as an adult in their early 20s? It's still a new enough experience to be savored then.
Yep.. Every woman is afraid of the body and mental changes pregnancy implies, it's normal and part of the process. Also every woman gets over those fears as part of her normal development into a mother and is capable of bearing, birthing and nursing the child. It's a transformatory experience and part of motherhood..so yeah if you voluntarily skip that part you take the risk of not being considered a mother, same if you skip bringing up the child
@@gabib.1780 completely spot on- the very process of going through all the things with pregnancy are the foundational sacrifices for motherhood. I would argue that not allowing oneself the opportunity on purpose to grow in sacrificial love will make it harder for you to sacrifice down the line… virtue takes practice. And the fact her son points it out - I hope it helps bring out some soul searching for her sake as much as their relationship.
I totally agree, however she is raising him and biologically his mother. I think they both will need therapy, she should have got some before she made that decision. She made a lazy and selfish decision, but still is his mom.
Terrible take on the first one. The millennial generation is dysfunctional in no small part because of the outlandish lengths their parents generation has gone to attempting to exclude them from adulthood, usually because they can't bear admitting that they themselves have gotten old. Besides that, grown men don't have to meekly accept callous disrespect. It's not even from his parents, it's from his Aunt-someone to whom he has never owed filial obedience.
I agree. But his reaction sounded pretty childish. If you consider yourself an adult and you want others to do so too, you kinda have to show them you are, in fact, an adult. However, I would expect that from reddit users, lost all respect for them long time ago.
Lol I'm 35 and I run into the problem of treatment like that 22 year old because I don't have kids. Thing is I'm not having kids unless I'm married and I'm not getting married until I'm in love and at 35 I probably won't have children. I have 20 niblings and 2 grandniblings so I am really not worried- I've spent years with children and I'm blessed to have them. He was actually right, not in storming out but in being offended. I'd disagree having children is necessarily the best way to view someone as an adult- sadly, some young couples with children are incredibly selfish and childish and it's not exactly what I view as a symbol of automatic maturity.
@@jeannedarc5351 it's a new word I learned recently for a combination of nephews and nieces! It really saves a lot of type time for me because I truly have had to argue that having niblings really changes you! I accept that being a mother is totally different than being an an aunt but I refuse to believe a mother of one with no siblings understands motherhood much better than an aunt of 20 niblings. Of course I understand I am perhaps egotistical but when a young nephew tells you he doesn't understand why you're not a mom because "you'd make a good mom" it kinda touches you because you can see your emotional progress with that kid and the first couple with huge separation anxiety when you watched them... I know it seems silly but I feel so grateful for my babies that I know think of me as a pretty high falutin piece of the hierarchy that I refuse to ever think they aren't enough for my lady heart. They're my darling children idc if that's silly feminist talk just because I didn't push them out.
If my brother asked me to write an essay regarding his Ph.D dissertation he'd get a kinko's printed banner with just two words printed on them. I think we all know what those words would be.
Matt, I love your content, but I'm lost on your thinking for the first one. That aunt was extremely out of line and he was right to leave. While I wouldn't have reacted in that exact way that would make me angry and I understand what he is upset. He is decidedly NOT the a hole.
I don't fully agree with you on the first one Matt. You are an adult at 22, not a child. I'm pretty sure he would rather be with other adults for adult conversation. Having children doesn't mean hey you're finally an adult. It's only a part of adulthood. He could have handled it better but he's not an A-hole either. Upset yes but not A-hole.
I agree with you on the having kids or not should not decide if you are an adult or not. But he definitely is an asshole for storming off, could've just shrugged it off and strike a conversation with his 20 year old relative. There's no point in storming out.
Anyone with an adult mindset should be able to recognize what table you sit at doesn't automatically make you an adult or a child. I'm 28 and half the time choose to sit at the kid table; their conversations are more fun and I like learning what they're up to. Plus, they're all my family regardless of age.
@@justhair17 because Matt made it sound like that. He skipped the whole part where the guy's aunt acted like the biggest b*. He acted like an adult. If he was a kid, he would have shove her head into her own a**. If someone told you that you're child, because you have nothing meaningfull to add to adult's conversation (even tho you have job, you pay for own stuff, you contribute to the society as an adult), would you just laugh and act like it's ok for them to talk about you like this?
I think it is incredibly condescending to sit a 22 year old male at a “kids” table. That would offend me too. Then again, I’ve served in the military and started my own business (don’t have kids, don’t think that makes me any less of a man), and I don’t know what this 22 year old has accomplished, but he isn’t a “kid”. I wouldn’t participate either. I’d just go about bettering my own life, and any family that doesn’t respect me doesn’t get the time of day from me. The thing I find ironic about the aunt thing is I’d be willing to bet she hasn’t accomplished a damn thing either her entire life. Just rode them coattails all her life and arrived at a position where she can look down on others. What makes this guy less of a man is the fact that he posted this on Reddit asking others for verification. Who cares what others think? The responsibility to better your life is on you. Get busy
@@ellencox8415 I don’t agree with him “storming out”. I would just not participate. The thing about men (young men in particular) is respect is a necessity. If you grow up without feeling respect, it can lead to serious psychological issues. I’d be careful about ostracizing a 22 year old man as a “kid”. You may do a lot more harm than you realize. This attitude may be why so many young men are pansies nowadays
Reminds me of the Christmas special “A very Brady Christmas” and Cindy was upset that she was at the kids table (Despite the fact that she was a senior in college etc.). And then they asked her near the end if she wants to join the adults table….But she decides not to because she was having fun with her niece and nephews.
I agree. I have relatives like his who treat me like a child just because I’m single even though I’m 26! It’s incredibly irritating! Not worth stomping away from a picnic for though...
Matt you finally said something stupid. I served in Nam, taught at the University level, coached CYO basketball, am married but was never able to have children.. Would you like to tell me to my face that I am not an adult? I thought so.
He is in contact with his mother. She is his mother by genetics/biology & by raising. The surrogate has a similar relationship to him as a voluntary organ donor- but one who got paid for it. She did give something to him that was of value to her, but that cost was temporary, it did not require investment, & she has been paid for the trouble. He can take an interest in her, sure, but his bio mom is as much of his mother as any adoptive parent is, as well as being his actual flesh, bone, blood, & genes.
Re: the surrogacy post: So she bought-off the hardships of pregnancy out of vanity and fear of discomfort, not necessity, and she's surprised the kid is questioning her commitment to parenthood? Shocking. Not that the kid lost respect for her - that should have been expected. It's shocking she can't empathize with the kid's confusion and disappointment in her. The boy probably want's to meet the woman who carried him and apologize for the narcissistic twat he has for a bio-mom.
My thoughts: She may be his genetic mother and female parent, but of course he would question her status as his actual mother and possibly consider the woman that carried him to be his mom. I mean, that woman carried and cared for him for the most vulnerable time of his life, her body nourished and protected him as he developed. Whether people want to admit it or not there is a bond that happens during pregnancy. I would doubt my mother's status as my mother too if she bought me out to a surrogate. I say that as a young mother myself.
as far as Surrogacy goes i think it's one thing if the mother had some serious health issues that prevented her from being able to give birth but the fact that she literally did not want the inconvenience that comes with giving birth is the sole reason she didn't ..... ngl the Husband should have put his foot down on the whole thing just being blunt about we are not doing this just because you are too selfish to have a kid there's absolutely nothing wrong with you
Probably the surrogacy has nothing to do with it but her reasons for having the surrogacy has affected every aspect of her parenting, which is why the child picked up on it.
What’s troubling about this Reddit column is that it’s largely used by teens and young adults who turn to each other for support, advice, validation and moral guidance. They’re not asking anyone who has a clue, they’re just agreeing with each other. This generation seems to be raising each other and it’s not going very well.
Surrogacy used to be an option for parents who wanted children but could not physically have them due to medical issues such as infertility... It's not a 'convenient' get-out-of-pregnancy-free card, and it unnerves me that anyone would choose that method. There are millions of children in the world, sitting in adoption homes... If you're too lazy or superficial to have your own kid, and willing to drop extreme amounts of money, why on earth would you not first consider adoption??? So inconceivably shallow...
Right! That one made me livid. Also the fact that she had that mind set in the first place means she's not mature enough to be a parent in the first place. If she thinks like that she's in no place to get a child imo
He brought food, he isn't a kid. If you bring food that is your ticket to the adult table. I see adults with kids at my family gatherings who bring nothing, they just come to eat and feed their kids. Freeloaders deserves to be treated like kids.
Matt's take on the first one is totally out of line. Admittedly it was childish for him to storm out. But there's no denying that it's totally demeaning to be told to sit at the kids table as a 22 year old.
The surrogate mom issue. She needs to realize that her son is still a pure soul that has not been mindfucked by the new twisted world that made her decision ok.
I agree that in that situation it was certainly not okay what the mother did, but I don't think surrogacy is wrong in every situation. My aunt and her husband have been wanting to have kids for ages and tried to have them naturally many many times. It never worked, and my aunt was getting too old for that, so they tried IVF as well but that also didn't work. So they turned to surrogacy as a last resort and it worked, and now they have a healthy baby. Were my aunt and uncle wrong to choose surrogacy in that situation? I don't think so.
@@alethein359 No my friend they were not wrong. They expended their options. When people do it because they are afraid of losing their beach body then they don’t commit to the process that is literally the first symbiosis between mother and child. Vanity is a sickness also. Everyone wants to try to look their best but if your worried that your FRIENDS will look at you differently then you need need to check your program. Babies are awesome and they are an immediate headcheck that gets you back on track.
@@joeybagodoughnuts3357 I have just realised that what is being described in the video is not what my aunt and uncle did. What they did was found an egg donor and then used IVF to conceive, but it was my aunt who carried and gave birth to the baby even though technically the child isn't biologically hers. That's actually kinda the opposite of what the reddit woman did lol. My mistake, I had just woke up when I wrote my original comment and must have not been thinking straight.
Wrong on the first one, Matt. That’s absolutely insulting, taking the time to be responsible and handle adult responsibilities only to be placed right back at square one for no other reason than not having kids.
It's not for no other reason than not having kids, it's for having no more responsibilities than a teenager who doesn't screw up what ought to be the relatively simple act of keeping a job and not letting your money go negative. I guarantee you, neither Matt nor anybody else would call you a kid if you were a twenty-two year old single war veteran or business owner or something. But the surest sign that you really are still a kid is that you take somebody calling you one seriously. If you're any kind of adult your accomplishments speak for themselves, including to you, and you know you don't have to prove anything. At worst, you might get a laugh out of some old fart acting like they're such a boss when they haven't done much. Guess they'll just be surprised and impressed with how competent you are, right? Easy good impressions are the best ones to make, after all, since people that shallow aren't hard to surpass. Also, you're probably an older adult if you ramble on forever because you have more points than anybody has time......
@@arcdecibel9986 frankly i think the mistake the guy made was storming off he should have just said yea I'm not a kid anymore I'm 22 and then refuse to engage further on the issue and remain seated while if she continues to press the issue people will tell her to sit down if she doesn't then it's clear who the problem is
Having been unjustly relegated to the kid table so my ten year old niece could sit with adults because I deigned to inform her where the kids table was I do wish I’d handled it differently. 1) I wish when my sister (not her mother) “called me out” I would’ve said “honey, your other aunt has offered to give up her seat for you” rather than just taking it and ending up at the kid table. 2) i wish I would’ve enjoyed the kid table more. If I’m a “kid” I’m acting like it. Food fight! Let’s be real. Parents want to be at the adult table the same reason the singles do: adult conversation with out the distraction of kids. By trying to relegate single adults to the kid table they are consciously or subconsciously looking for free baby sitters. So if you keep separate tables then 1) you’re okay with kid chaos and all adults get to be at the adult table regardless of parental status or 2) parents sit at the kid table unless they ask for a babysitter from their siblings. Alternatively, do away with kid tables and parents rangle their own kids as they do at ever other meal.
Agree with Matt on all but the 1st one. That 22 year old is kind of baby for leaving, but I disagree with “you’re not an adult until you’re married with kids.” That’s some grade A BS right there and tbh I would’ve been upset if my family disrespected me like that too.
Well said. As a 25yo who desperately WANTS to get married and have kids but hasn't yet been blessed with the opportunity, that kind of sentiment is not only very condescending but also frankly hurtful and frustrating.
if you dont want me sitting with you sharing meaningful conversation something that doesn't happen at a kids table then dont invite me to begin with. i mean i could of spent that time spitting seed into a womb so you would recognize me as a real man next picnic. gosh
Ironic to see that the Catholic can't appreciate someone not being married, considering it's one of few religions that require the priests to be unmarried.
You're wrong about the first one. Its not childish for an adult to not put up with being treated as a child. They deliberately insulted him, why would he not stand up for himself?
@Lars Liam Vilhelm You're exactly what I'm talking about. People look at you and think "I don't want that for myself." Raging at people without kids and projecting your low IQ worldview onto other people like they should give a fuck if you think they are "adult" enough for you. Keep your ignorance to yourself. I have no problems with someone who is 80 years old and parties every night compared to the typical religious person who apparently has sex only for procreation, virgin until married, losers for the rest of their lives, etc. You are the face of the incel movement.
While I don’t agree with how the first guy behaved in response to having to go to the kids table, I do empathize with the guy. Maybe it’s bc I’m 23, but really it does feel a bit condescending and inconsiderate being assigned to the kids table when you are a full adult. I’ve been sat at the kids table before by family basically to serve as day care service for the young kids, and while I don’t complain out of politeness and respect, (not to mention I enjoy interacting with kids so I don’t mind too much) but it still does feel somewhat hurtful and inconsiderate to have that responsibility imposed upon me when I am a guest at a family members home. Especially since my family also sometimes likes to have friends over whom I don’t know well. It’s definitely awkward having to watch after a strangers kids vs watching after young cousins.
@@MWilk098 idk if that’s the best metric. Plenty of people only ever rent property, doesn’t necessarily mean they are not adults. To each their own I guess.
The proper response for the kids' table one was to say that he may not be able to contribute at the adult table but he would love to sit in learn by listening... Gets'em every time.
Her husband should have put his foot down about it, honestly. Surrogacy is an awful practice and dehumanizing is exactly right. Your son should be appalled.
Okay...you're not less of an adult because you have not had the opportunity to get married or have kids yet. I agree with 98% of what Matt Walsh says, but that one pissed me off. Marraige happens at different times for different people. Being single and working while you're looking for marraige is 100% being an adult 🤦♀️
No you're less of an adult because you had a temper tantrum and stomped off with your bottom lip out. I'll admit it's kind of a chicken/situation did he act like a pouty baby because he had to sit at the kids table, or did he have to sit at the kids table because he was acting like a pouty baby?
@@austinveno6743 He left a picnic after he was told that his presence at the picnic was unwanted. That's not being childish, it's being a mature adult. Being angry about it is simply being human.
@@Iianator Apparently you've never had quiche then, because it's the furthest thing from healthy. I can feel my arteries clogging just from saying the word.
The kids table is typically a bunch of kids giggling and throwing each other with stuff, and talking about their last game of tag or something. Even for a 16 year old that can be demeaning. The entry requirement for the adult table is behaving like an adult.
Using their parent's credit cards ... and spending THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS at Bloomingdales??? Nice try, but this isn't the same as giving your kids the card to pick up prescriptions at CVS. P.S. If they truly weren't in the wrong, then it's a simple matter of the store calling the father and asking if the girls have permission. It's not that hard.
@@mr.battle20 so you've never met a wealthy family? I certainly didn't have that access as a kid, but knew several families that were very well off. All sorts of kids get nice cars on their 16th birthday, etc.
@@randygiles845 My aunt and uncle are multi-millionaires, actually. Matter aside, it's just as I said. If the girls truly weren't in the wrong, it would be a simple matter to have the store call the dad and clear up the misunderstanding. The fact that they DIDN'T speaks volumes.
@@bullirish How dare you use quiche as an excuse to attack my masculinity. The fact that I've never been to the gym or touched a woman would be better subject matter.
Sorry Matt, but being married and having kids doesn't make you an adult. You are wrong on scenario #1. That young man was 100% right to leave. It's his family that is the a-hole. Actually it's you ( Matt) that needs to grow up. By the way, Quiche is wonderful!
Quiche is wonderful but a picnic? Thats a breakfast dish thats weird and doesnt fit the vibe so matts right. Also if there were only 8 seats at a table then he is the asshole hes got a cousin thats 21 that hes probs close to just chill with them at the kids table. The 25 year olld being at the adullt table might be a llittle annoying in that case but everyone else is 30+. Storming off does make them a child. Sorry but Matts right on this one.
@@The0Kiyubii0Kid sorry but no, Matt is wrong. They could have pulled up an extra seat. His aunt was being unreasonable. You can also eat quiche any time of day. What he brought to the picnic was probably way better than what everyone else brought-based on that alone he should have been at the adult table.
@@Alexander44665 its a picnic table in a park u dummy. Have you ever seen those tables? Theres no extra chairs lmao. If they were at their house sure I agree.
@@The0Kiyubii0Kid I see you are an adult lol. You'd be surprised at how many people you can fit at a picnic table. Sorry Tyler, but I don't argue with children.
@@Alexander44665 Im 28 man. But saying to pull up a chair to a bench is just a stupid thing to say. But yes take the im superior so im the adult cuz thats not childish at all lol.
yea but for all she knew she didn't know who the hell that kid was and illegally using his card would cause him such a legal headache trying to refund everything
Yeah. Def how rich kids shop. If dad allows it that’s dads issue. If he doesn’t notice on his cc bill again dads issue. That lady wrote this as if she was so courageous for calling out a teenage girl at BLOOMINGDALES... lol. If she was really concerned why not call the police! Follow the girl to the next store to be sure she doesn’t repeat this “fraud”! She is def the A hole.... not just for what she did but for acting all self righteous and brave for stopping a sale at Bloomingdales. She was prol just impatient in line. However I also find it very hard to believe they “somehow” ended up at the same place to pay ..... There are not check out lanes at Bloomingdales’s. Sounds like a bitter nosy lady to me. Also the girl didn’t say they STOLE the card. But ,hey, bravery in 2021 right . Girls prol just went over to Neiman Marcus after that and bought shoes there... with daddy’s blessing.
Hi Matt! Big fan. However, I have to disagree with your first answer. As someone who is 22, I also have a job, pay rent, and own a car. I also have a Bachelor's degree (not a grad degree, don't worry) and am debt-free (those last two admittedly are not requirements to adulthood; however, I believe they show my maturity and ability). The only things keeping me from getting married and having kids are as follows: 1. I'm asexual. 2. I haven't yet gotten close to an equally yoked woman who is also willing to deal with not having sex or biological kids since I also unfortunately have mental disorders and I don't want to risk giving them to our kids. As such, under these circumstances, I'm not a child. I'm a child of my parents' lineage and I'm a child of God, but aside from that, I'm a grown man. Thank you to whoever read this.
Last one is such a simple solution: cashier calls the company and verifies if she’s an authorized user or not. If she isn’t, then don’t complete the transaction. If she is, carry on.
@@dgathome4345 You would think, but sometimes there are multiple authorized users for a single account and cards issued in each persons name, cards only will have one single name at a time. So a husband and wife might share an account and she uses his card - she is an authorized user (possibly even co-account holder) and Visa will approve the transaction with a special code if you call for it. Some parents will add their teens as authorized users. There's dedicated phone lines specifically for fraud that retailers can call and get through without hold times.
I am basically always at the kids' table. If someone were to try and exclude me from my rightful kids' table spot, I would burst into tears, grab my bottle of Jaigermeister out of the freezer, and storm out.
Mark Twain once observed that a man with a mule can vote. If the mule dies, then the man can't vote.Does the right to vote reside in the mul or the man? If the man can't sit with the adults unless he has a child, does maturity reside the the man or the child? Sorry, Matt, you're wrong. You, of all people, should know that we're not defined by others.
The second one I could *kind* of understand sending family a video to try and help them understand why she quit, but making them do an *assignment* is ridiculous.
No Matt - while I liked your thought of “replacement” yet it’s called the adult table, NOT the “parent” table. Some people can’t have children so would they need to stay at the kids table until they go into the nursing home 😳😄
@@xerneastrainer8111 My husband had kids when we got married & refused to have kids with me. Thankfully God released me from the burden of wanting to so badly by showing me scripture about the motherless being mother to hundreds, which made me available to the students I was a counselor to. (Our first grandchild was born 6 months after our wedding, he's 7 years older than me)
@@xerneastrainer8111 my aunt never married. Just never found the guy. She's a bitter old woman though, so... My sister married and divorced her abusive husband within 2 years time and never married again. Not everyone finds the right person. Not everyone is able to conceive. Not everyone wants children. Some people have several miscarriages, and are never able to carry to term. There are numerous reasons why people never have children.
The thing with r/aita, in 98% of cases the answer is "yes you're being an asshole, but so is the person you're dealing with"
True, but that's why they have several ways to answer. When multiple people are assholes, the commenters put ESH - everyone sucks here. There's also NAH - no assholes here, because sometimes there's just a misunderstanding in which both people's point of view are reasonable for where they are coming from.
Usually the answer is that you are reading a creative writing experiment and the events never happened
Agreed
@@Essy311 Thank you for this i rarely but sometimes browse that subreddit and have no idea what most stuff means except for YTA🤣
@@mightbeahuman3442 NTA is not the ahole
"Oh you have a job and support yourself? Your opinions are still worthless, go sit at the kiddie table."
Why stick around with a bunch of ppl who clearly have no respect for you? I would go do my own thing, like a man. You can still love your relatives without liking them.
He shouldn’t have only taken the quiche. He should’ve dissembled the table he helped the “adults” set up before he left. Surely they’d not want to dine on a table set up by a child...
Excatly, I don't get why people think leaving is childish. You clearly aren't wanted, so leave. Its not like he made a big tantrum or anything. I've been to parties or gatherings or even been out on the town with people and had times where it was clear I either wasn't really wanted there, or that the people wanted to talk to other people so I left. What are you supposed to just sit there while a bunch of people who don't respect you eat your food?
@@dash4800 he is childish because be makes his seating plate about weather he is grown or not, why would he have a peoblem sitting next to his family? No matter the age
Agreed 100%
The Adult table should be called the "Breeders table" -- then there would be no argument
I did 4 years of a PhD and quit. That doesn't make you an ass. Giving people who aren't your students a reading and writing assignment makes you an ass.
I think Matt had the wrong take on this... why didn't he go with the "who the F cares what they think... it's your life, your money, and your decision... no need to do this dumb essay junk". Instead he went with the puzzling "degrees are a scam" nonsense instead, which reinforces anti-science twaddle and fear of experts that is becoming more widespread on the right.
@@Rayrard no he is pointing out how most degrees are actually scams, because they cost $$$$$ and lots of time, when it in no way guarantees a high paying position, many degrees including masters and PhDs are pointless. unless credentialing is strict in the field you want to be employed in or you lack the ability to acquire and apply information yourself.
just look online you will find thousands of people who believed they were destined for greatness, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole, a meaningless piece of paper in their hand, but no job to call their own.
the degree isn't a scam in and of itself, the marketing, the push, the idea that you will make it big because you have a degree is non-sense. these kids believe it and ruin their lives.
@@chicanopicano6432 You are right on some points, but to call it a "scam" because you spent time and money on education is a stretch, and no one going into degrees has a time machine to tell them what the job market will be like. It's a quitter mentality to give up on your dream career because the odds are stacked against you. You just need backup plans, and that is what happens with a lot of those people with the "paper" but nothing to show for it.
The glut of overeducated people is indeed a real problem now and the PhD is rapidly being devalued by the number of people getting them and not enough jobs. I still would not call that a scam though. I consider scams the online universities and the diploma mills (unaccredited mail in degrees). Those are real scams. People make a choice to get the advanced degrees and it is NOT a scam to them. It's a huge accomplishment to complete and defend a doctorate degree, and you'd be lying if you weren't proud of your child if they successfully finished one.
Another thing is that most advanced degrees are not a waste of money because they pay you to do graduate work (or at least most do). I did my Masters and didn't have to pay anything. I could have gotten a PhD, but I decided against entering academia which is all about grants and not at all focused on the science beyond grant writing. I wouldn't have had to pay for the PhD either because they have stipends and TA assistantships to compensate you (plus they waive tuition). I don't regret the time spent on that degree as it sent my on my current path that was different from my original plan. I would never have gotten there without the connections I made and my degrees.
You have points on the excessive PhD's, the lack of jobs, and the time taken to get one that could be used elsewhere, but these degrees are a requirement for almost any scientific job or doctor, and I think any engineering job too. So Matt using the 98% number is absurd, unless Matt doesn't value any jobs requiring very advanced or focused skills. I think the "women's studies" degrees have clouded his judgement on "useless degrees".
It's better than ghosting them or shutting them out of her life.
@@Rayrard well college is mostly a scam unless you have to go to get a certain job but most of the time it is a scam and if you went to college for 4 years and quit before you got your PhD you're an idiot and an asshole you spent all this time and money doing this and you just gave up when you were almost finished because it got hard if you're going to do something do it you just wasted your time and money for nothing because it got hard the lady in the video shouldn't be surprised that her family is disappointed she should be disappointed
His aunt dishonored him.
He should have challenged her to a duel.
To an Agni Kai.
Yea he's childish for storming out, but it's ridiculous that he was disrespected like that after trying to take on responsibility. They're both assholes.
Lets 👏 Normalize 👏 dueling 👏 again
@@SquashGuy02134 This, but unironically.😆
@@deusdex1186 Gentlemen, ready your slapping gloves!
There are plenty of kids with kids of their own. It doesn't make you an adult. It just makes you a parent to somebody.
I agree... Just look at the entire city of Seattle and Portland.
@@jasono2139 For real. I live about 40 minutes away from Seattle and it's a hot mess. I'm scared of getting shot everytime I go to the city which is rare.
@@bdthecat3517 that must be really weird... because I feel prefectly safe in the deepest red parts of the country where literally everyone and their dog is packing heat.
Very little crime, people just go about their business, and nobody has to guess anyone's pronouns.
I find that harboring resentment hinders growth, so even if you have kids but holding on to negativity you’ll not change a whole lot
There’s always exceptions but generally speaking people become more mature when they have kids. Just a fact.
Matt, I had no idea I needed this in my life. You're the a-hole if you don't make this an ongoing series.
I agree!
100%
Absolutely, 10% agree!
spot on perfect
Yes! This forum was made for Matt to be the deciding voice.
Ok whether the guy was right or wrong, the Aunt sounded like she is likely abrasive person. I wouldn't want to be around her.
There are two assholes in this situation. Had he smacked his aunt in the face, he would not be the asshole
I thought the same. We have had 20 year olds at a "kids" table because there are only so many seats, it wasn't a disrespect to them and we all laughed about it. If there was room, the aunt was an a-hole, if there wasn't room and she still said no way, she is still the a-hole. Quiche to a picnic? Either a very immature choice or a very strange family
Dude facts, if I’m 22 I’m 22, legally I’m an adult, pull me up a damn seat
*Ring ring* "What's that, you need me to drive you to the hospital? Sorry, but children aren't allowed to drive." *click*
@@alicelaybourne1620 Haha I don’t get what’s wrong with Quiche for a picnic, especially if it were a breakfast type picnic. How is it much different than someone bringing a pie? Maybe I’m partial though bc I love quiche 😂
Ehhhh I agree with his stances most of the time but if you’re over 21 you can sit with the adults 🙄
In the first story I don’t understand how him leaving the family dinner after getting insulted by everyone is somehow childish. What grown ass adult would just stay there after getting insulted instead of just leaving?
Leaving is one thing but by the description it appears the guy stormed off in a very child-like manner. Had he stepped it up and opened a debate with the rest of the adults at the gathering and they still gave him the same level of disrespect and he told them he would not accept that and then left- I could side with him, but to childishly storm off because your aunt is being a bitch is a bit too low for maturity level.
You're right, insisting on staying where you are not welcome or accepted can be a bad thing.
It depends on how he left. Mat said he "stormed off", which would make him both childish and the a-hole, of course that could have been a "Matt summary", as he probably just took the food and left, which makes sense as I brought the food, I'll eat it later. Although quiche to a picnic, he's definitely the a-hole for that.
In the story about the picnic table the guy is right. No need to take disrespect like that from your own family.
Cringe.
Kind of destroyed his own position with his reaction
@@reasonablyserious Not at all. Especially if you actually read the parts that Matt glossed over. He said that the guy stormed off but that isn't how the post described it at all. His Aunt said he had "not much to contribute to adult conversations". Forget the picnic, I wouldn't have anything to do with this family at all.
Also, Matt actually said that OP leaving proves that he is childish. Demanding to be treated like an adult means that you don't deserve to be treated like an adult?
This is like when feminists say that criticism of feminism is why we need feminism.
He missed out on an opportunity to bond with the younger members of his family. They would have had great memories of sitting at the table with their bigger cousin.
While I do not agree with the reaction of the first guy, I can see why he would be upset. If I had been forced to sit at the kids` table at a family gathering when I was in my early 20`s, I would not have been happy about that! Not only would I find that insulting, but I have always just enjoyed sitting and visiting with the adults more. I also do not agree that you need to be married or have kids to be classed as an "adult". Is anyone classed as a "child" if they are single and childless at 30, 40, 50, 60, etc? I don`t think so! I am single and childless at 31, and I live on my own, drive, pay my bills, have a steady job, and do all the things that adults need to do to survive. I have worked hard to get to where I am today, so I would be insulted if anyone still saw me as a "child", simply because I do not have a husband or children!
I would have sat at the adult table and said I'm 22 years old I ain't going anywhere
We will save you a spot where you belong, the millennial kids table. Poor snowflake
Ouch. Walls hitting hard huh
@@danjohnson6870 According to your logic, Jesus Christ Himself would have to sit at the kid's table.
And I'd love to see you try to call Him a snowflake to His face.
There weren't extra seats at the adult table. No one younger than him was at the adult table.
PAY ATTENTION. You're acting childish. Hence you sit where you belong. #Hissyfit
By your logic, the niece who remains childless is relegated to the kids table even at 54 years old. "That is...illogical, captain."
Oddly, I'm 63, never married...at this point, I prefer the kids table. Much better conversation - "we saw a dog in our yard!!"
@@edithsmom6140 I'm with you... and I'm married with kids. You never know what direction a kid conversation is going and adult conversation are dull and predictable.
@@edithsmom6140 I do agree! Whenever I am at a family party I always hang with my kids and their friends or other family kids. Children aren’t phony and I love that.
I'm a 40 year old man who is single and has no kids. I still feel like I count as one of the kids until I get married, but my family doesn't still do a separate kids table.
i'm pretty sure matt's not being super serious with these
I agree with the boy, his mother didn't want to lose her figure from him being created and born, and he should choose whether he calls her mom. Mom is a name many of us women earned because of our sacrifice and while I realize sometimes medical issues are involved with surrogate decisions this story didn't mention that being the root of her choice.
Yes!!! Medical reasons for needing a surrogate are totally valid… her reasons were just selfish. She missed out on that physical and chemical connection that happens between mothers and their child in the womb. The kid is totally right💯
I have to disagree with the first take. Quiche man didn’t do anything wrong, yet his family casts him aside. I say his aunt is the asshole for not wanting to associate with her family. Storming off might not have been the best choice, but neither is accepting disrespect.
Exactly 👌
"Quiche man". That's hilarious 😂😂😂🤣😂
I don't know... I see it a little differently.
The aunt's an a-hole. I think she's rigid. I'm with you on that.
But why make a feud out of it? The kids are your family too.
So... I flash the "pair of a-holes" card. No wonder it's going nowhere. You can have it out with your aunt a later time if you must. It's not worth the scene.
@@newpinglegend9304 nah thing is it’s not just an eating thing the whole point is to catch up and socialize with family can’t imagine a 22 year old man would have anything in common with 10 year olds
@@pelumiogunlana1058 I didn't say anything about food. I didn't say it was an eating thing.
What he has in common with the 10 year olds is they're also family. Just as you say. They won't always be ten. The day will come when they look back on the uncle (or whatever) who wasn't too cool to hang out with them when they were ten. Sometimes you take the long view. It's not about who you think has what in common. It's about finding that out.
Plus the table part is just the eating part. You can probably do both. You don't punish your whole family for one transgressor.
Disagree about quiche dude and he didn't storm off he just left.
He stormed off.
... sounds like the kind of thing a child without any children would do.
Sounds like someone who has his own place and adult responsibilities who got disrespected would do
I'm sorry but they were rude. Being single doesn't make them a child. But that adult table doesn't sound very fun anyway. Leaving was a fine decision
Damnit Matt, how am I supposed to escape the kid's table? You can't just go out and buy a family.
Well according to the surrogate story you can.
@@FlyfishermanMike You are brilliant, and correct.
Some people do. 🤷🏻♀️
yes you can, it's called surrogacy
Surrogacy and mail order bride
Being a parent doesn't make you an adult. I wouldn't call the 14yo kids getting prenatal ultrasounds at the hospital I study at "responsible adults". Quite the opposite
He talked about getting married at some point there
My husband's aunt is almost 70 without kids. Off to the kiddy table!
special circumstances if adulthood: "responsibility and sacrifice for another being who needs guidance and training"
Exactly. That take was stupid as hell. His aunt is the asshole for making a stink about something completely ridiculous. My mom would have told my aunt to shut the fuck up.
There are obvious exceptions and it being a requirement doesn't mean it's the only thing necessary
For that first story, young adults being discouraged from being included with other adults is part of society's problem; 20-something and 30-something year olds still associating themselves with children (and acting like it). My great grandpa smoked and had a job when he was 15. My friend's 2 oldest sons have jobs, are learning how to take care of cars, buying their own clothes/shoes and saving for the future and they're both under 18. Treat a young adult like a child and they'll act like a child; raise the bar, expect more and treat them like an adult and they'll rise to the occasion.
When you're an adult you have a choice regardless of how other people treat you. For example, I was raised in the millennial generation got married at 21 and had my first kid at 22. There's no reason younger adults can't jump into adulthood. Nothing is stopping them.
@@jeannedarc5351 He is talking about the way society perceive, treat and educate young people is the reason people do not mature anymore, they get treated as children, expected to behave as children, excused for their behavious as children and sometimes rejected from being viewed as adults as they were children, that makes so they stay children, because no one nurtured them to become adults.
@@thedarkknight9021 Nope. Once you're 18 it's your choice how you live your life. Like I said, I am a millennial. I was raised in the same generation with the same cultural notions that I should be a kid until I was 30. But I chose to move out at 18 and live my own life. Nothing is stopping young adults from doing this. Blaming your parents and the culture is just another way to stay a child forever.
@@jeannedarc5351 I am not saying that someone is stopping them, and I certainly not need to excuse myself, I am saying that in order to become an adult you have to be nurtured to become that, society does this no more, the result is that people are not becoming adults anymore. That if they want they can is irrelevant, most people won't because the way they have been nurtured made them immature.
@@thedarkknight9021 And what I'm saying is that you are clearly mistaken. I was nurtured to think I wouldn't be an adult until I was closer to 30. But because people have free will, I decided to move out and grow up. Nothing is preventing anyone else from making this same choice. We aren't just slaves to our upbringing, if that were the case people wouldn't so often find themselves at odds with their parents beliefs, which is fairly common. It's merely an excuse to blame your parents or the culture. A wise person once told me, if you can identify the problem it is now entirely your responsibility to solve it.
Disagree with you on the first one. that’s ridiculous, Matt.
You're cute.
"Rent a womb like a room"
is actually a good slogan
😂 don't give them ideas!! 😆
First guy was NOT the a-hole. His family treating him like a child when he’s grown with his own job and his own place…… are the a-holes.
We all do our time at the kiddie table. Its just a part of life.
@@averagejoe9040 yes and he did his time at the kids table when he was a kid, the guy is living independently (a lot of people at age 22 can't say this) if his family won't treat him with respect then why is he obligated to be respectful to them
@@bonds927 nah, that aint how the kids table works. If you want out, either someone at the adults table is no longer with us, or someone has to take your place at the kids table. Im 24, Im still at the kids table along with my adult cousins.
It has very little to do with age.
@@averagejoe9040 well then your family doesn't see you or respect you the way they should. You are a 24 year old person, I was taught you become an adult right after you graduate high school. Either you went off to college or got a job to save up for your own place so you can move out or pay rent
@@bonds927 in all regards I am treated like an adult. Again, the kids table isnt about age.
Unfortunetly, the tradition of the kids table in my family is fading as christmas eve dinner is very rarely held in my grand mother's house. And it very rarely has too many attendants to fit in one table. Sad tiddings indeed.
Usually agree with Matt, but don't agree you need to have kids to sit at an adult table. Would you sit Mother Theresa or an infertile couple at a kids table solely because they don't have kids? Now, Mother Theresa would probably prefer the kids table, but that's a separate issue.
I think the "need a kid to be an adult" rule is pretty cruel. I'm married and in my 30s. We've been trying to have kids for years, and it is very painful it isn't happening. I have a daughter from a sexual assault who is in an open adoption. I want to be able to raise a child with my husband more than anything in the world. If someone treated my husband like a child because we don't have a baby together I would be livid.
I agree. It’s just cruel. I wasn’t blessed with a child so should I sit at the kids table when I’m 90 too?
Well, that's an exception. You are trying and see the importance of children.
God bless you. I hope you and your wife keep the hope. Will pray for you
@@Noah-cm6ek the whole rule of having kids to be seen as an adult is dumb, some people can't afford kids or are waiting for the right time
@@bonds927 Not cruel at all, litterally every person in your ancestry made the effort to have kids before you, most of them under horrible conditions even compared to poor people today.
Matt isn't talking about people like you who are trying, he's talking about those who don't want kids.
My wife used to do the 'set the clocks ahead' thing.
I suggested we set it 5 minutes behind, and we compromised on the actual correct time.
You’re quite the negotiator
@@murica4evs this man should be a diplomat or something
@@hellobruh4209 Yes 😆
"I can identify an A-hole a mile away" - fails on first try.
the damn hubris
He must live a mile away from a mirror or two.
And second try
@@langdonledwig3734 He was wrong in the 2nd situation? How so? The girl wanted her family to write an essay for her. Thats absolutely ridiculous and quite the a hole thing to do.
Not the first try but the second.
95% of these are "this person assailed me with some minor grievance that most people would agree I'm in the right over, but then I threw a temper tantrum and ruined any good will I might have had"
To be fair, if that first guy isn't considered adult enough to sit with the adults, then they don't get to complain when he takes his food back. After all, kids aren't expected to cook anything for picnics, right? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
No good will when disrespect is the culprit of the reaction. All good will is gone at that point.
@@qb4428 Hm, good point.
@@megaghostly1 you talkinf about the family, right?
I have to disagree with the idea that you're not an adult until you have kids of your own. I think by the time you have graduated college, bought a home, socked away some future nest egg and hold a professional position of some responsibility, you are clearly an adult regardless of your martial or child status. And some parents don't meet ANY of the above and can't be considered adults by those standards or by their behavior or their child rearing decisions.
I kinda relate to the first guy, he sounds like he made that Quiche and is proud to be a grown man with grown up tastes, but instead the adults want to seat him next to the kids. I'm turning 20 this year and even though I don't like talking to anyone in general, I would sort of appreciate talking with the adults rather than the kids. Not that any of his response is necessarily justified, but I do think banning him from the adult table for not having kids at 22 seems silly.
I was going to disagree with Matt but I did notice a difference once I actually had a wife and started having kids that the aunts, uncles, etc start treating me different. I still think my cousins and brothers in their 20s are still kids when we're all together lol.
Hmm, I have to agree with Matt.. You bring a quiche to a family picnic - you're the ahole
lmao
If I had to choose, I'd rather sit with kids, as long as I'm not responsible for keeping them in line. But I wouldn't want to be told I HAVE TO sit at the kid's table.
I do reaction videos while smoking weed on my UA-cam channel 💯💯
@@SevenHunnid cool. I grow stuff. Including weed.. but I don't share that on my new channel.. yet.
Matt’s breakdown of “justified a-holery” reminds me of Team America: World Police.
Here to save the mother fucking day, YA!
Im gonna have to disagree with Matt on the table thing. An adult is an adult regardless of whether they have kids or not and he had every right to leave when his family was being petty and rude to him.
Agreed.
Yeah i don't know wtf he was talking about there
Agreed I would have left too. I have disabilities so I run into the issue of being treated like I'm 7 years old and I do tend to get a little bit salty at that.
I love Matt but what the fuck was he smoking during this? That guy's family degraded, disrespected and humiliated him. I would have told them to fuck themselves and left too.
Petty would be taking the keish with him as some sort of punishment to them. I understand why that’s frustrating, but I also feel like the is 22 year old young man knows his family is by now.
Until you break the law, then everyone says He’s A Grown Man.
Interesting... Paul was not married, and infact he called singleness a gift from God. 1 Cor 7. Maturity should not be focused on whether you have children.
@JANET NYIRENDA yes, but again this size and appearance of your ministry should not matter. What about the one guy who serves every day in his life cleaning the church and feeding struggling members, his ministry might not be as visual or as impressive as an apostle, and yet his service glorify God as much as Paul's ministry. A young Christian serving God in his singleness is in no way less mature than those who are married, in fact if your desire is under control and you are devoted to God as Paul says in 1 Cor 7 then in verse 38 he concludes: "So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better." because he spends more time in his devotion to God, he will mature faster. :) That said, singleness is a gift, and it should be properly and prayerfully considered.
@JANET NYIRENDA i wasn't rebutting, I was adding to your statement. I don't disagree with you at all :)
...says the people without any! 🙄
@@jasono2139 says the bible 😀 are you saying that people who are not parents should not say anything, because that would be an extremely immature stance to take. You won't like the logical conclusion of that thought.
@@Cliché_Speak_Geek sounds like the kind of thing someone without children would say! 😂
I wouldn’t have stormed off, but there is no way I’m going to be disrespected/humiliated into staying seated with children.
I’m not a child I’m a grown married woman.
He should've said "I am an adult. If you can't see that then you obviously don't know what an adult is. I'm not going to move and you can't make me."
The AUNT was in the wrong. He IS an adult and I can totally understand his being put out and annoyed. Life is different for different people. I didn’t find my wife (happily married now for 15 years) and married until 40. Would I have to sit with children for all those stupid years simply because I wasn’t on someone else’s timetable? Ridiculous!
I completely disagree with the first one. Minus the quiche. Who the hell brings a quich to a picnic?
Table hierarchies in general are dogmatic. Being an adult is more than having a wife and kids, and it's incredibly childish to suggest otherwise. Intentionally ostracizing a family member specifically and exclusively because they're not living the exact life somebody else wants is incredibly toxic and should in no way shape or form be tolerated or promoted. I'd leave just so I could bring a quiche back out of spite.
I feel sorry for your kids.
Agreed… presumably you learned to be an adult before you have children and a wife
@@klemon4228 That better be the case! Because if not.... Well lets just say I will feel sorry for the kids you raise and their mind set.
You have to have kids to prove you're an adult? thats absurd as hell. many people are adult enough to accept theyre in a financial or mental situation that they know they can't take care of a child properly. following this logic, these type of people are less of an adult than a mentaly unstable person with several children
💯. My brother and his wife don’t have kids yet. He’s an amazing uncle though. Responsible. Hard working . But hey .... according to Matt Walsh he’s less of an adult than a literal child abuser . Someone who abuses their OWN Children is more of an adult than an adult who’s not had children...
Terrible take....
@@Emwest84 Good for him. and dont get me wrong, i love children, and i love matts channel, but that doesnt mean everything he says is 100 percent true.
I think he is being sarcastic on most of these. Anyone could see how rude she was to him
@@AbsentBennett i hope thats the case
@@AbsentBennett i hope thats the case
I just read the most fascinating story about how the cells of the mother and baby nourish each other and it stays with them forever. That’s something irreplaceable to me.
Where did you read it?
I think I read the same thing recently!! Must be making ita rounds
@@adararelgnel2695 if you remember where you read it please share!
@@BasedZoomer a friend shared it on facebook.
No I get it about walking out. Inwas in my third year of medical school and they asked me to sit at the kids table. I was the only never married adult and all my much younger sibs and cousins were at the adult table. I didn't leave but because I am a woman and really didn’t want to be single I cried. I could still cry thinking about it.
Appalling!
That’s horrible. I’m sorry. I’m a firm believer that if you really do end up needing an adult at the kids’ table, first in line should be the people who gave them life.
That is awful! I say that if someone is old enough to drive, they should not be obligated to sit at the kids table.
Sounds like they wanted a grownup who would supervise the kids at the kid’s table. I’ve seen this kind of thing happen. It’s not that they think you’re not mature enough to be with the adults. It’s more of, “She came by herself and she gets along with the kids, so we’ll make use of her there.” I should warn you that it’ll happen again. So next time, come to the event early to make sure you get a choice of where to sit, sit down at the adults’ table and don’t budge.
10:06 my mother used to give me her credit card all the time when I was in high school. She used to give me a note explaining I had her permission, she would sign it and date it. No one ever questioned me so I never had to use the note but anyway, my mother used to give me her card all the time to use (until I had my own card once I started working and had my own money to spend… but if I was going shopping to buy clothes or books or whatever my mother would trust me to use it for what I was supposed to and I never violated her trust.)
My point is… just because she has forbidden her own child from using HER card doesn’t mean that ALL parents do that. Some parents allow it. For various reasons. And it’s none of this woman’s business what another parent allows their child to do. It’s not her responsibility or her business.
I thought the same until it said the total was in the 4 digits. Someone should definitely question it if the child is spending over 1 thousand dollars.
Huge fan, but I 100% disagree with you on the first one. Being married and or having a kid does not make you an adult. Taking care of yourself, supporting yourself, being self sufficient is being an adult. Age is a part of it as well but just because I’m not married or have kids does not mean i should be treated as a kid, especially when I provide for myself. That’s probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard you say, granted I’m a relatively new fan lol
Been here a little while and he’s pretty spot on politically… but on any other front he is a douche
If you think this was ridiculous, buckle your seatbelt. He’s the a-hole a lot of the time. I agree with you. Parenthood doesn’t equate to adulthood. In my mind anyone who contributes an equal or greater amount to society than they take is an adult. Anyone who doesn’t is a child regardless of their age.
A woman who is more worried about her body than her own son, will never be neither a good woman, nor a good mom.
The fact that she can't see what is wrong, increases my level of disgust way out of the scale.
@Kamie Edwards yeah the way she talked about the other woman was disgusting. Ooh that made me mad to hear that disrespect for the surrogate mother who actually did the work and faced the sacrifice. It's not like she was incapable of having a kid or at high risk if she had her kid like a normal non narcissistic woman. Smh
Ho-boy, whenever people on Reddit ask a question in a place like that, I think it means they have an extreme lack of self awareness.
...and they're A holes. 😉
@@kathiewood91 Yeah
Like in an "if you have to ask the question it's probably answering itself" kind of way.
@@newpinglegend9304 Yeah, you either are in the wrong or you aren't.
Much respect Matt but I have to disagree, the first guy is not the asshole in this situation. A 22-year-old is as much an adult as a 40-year old however they are just at different stages of being an adult.
This
Agreed
I agree he's an ahole for bringing a quiche, but he does sound like he's out on his own and provides for himself so he's at least enough of an adult to be at the adult table. Id probably sit by myself someplace in this situation but leaving is justified as well.
The Aunt is undeniably an asshole for telling a 22 year old to sit at the kids table. Now this gentleman could have just laughed it off and remained at the "grown ups" table. I doubt his aunt would have dragged him away by his ear. He could have also gone and sat at the kids table, and been the "cool uncle". Instead he decided to stomp off with his bottom lip out. It's probably behavior like that, that got him seated at the kids table in the first place.
Matt is just showing us, in his own self righteous way that he is in fact an a hole, but not the justified kind.
Isn't anyone going to ask why the picnic guy's dad didn't speak up and say that he wanted to sit next to his son? I am on good terms with lots of my extended family but any time my kid wants to hang out with me, I call that a win.
Maybe it was a joke to tease his son and he was in on it. idk
@@kohltonclark22 Idiotic joke if so. What adult doesn't remember how much they valued being treated as an adult in their early 20s? It's still a new enough experience to be savored then.
Because my parents don't give two fucks if I sit next to them or not..? Like, what lol who cares
The child who was born of the “carrier” is totally right. His egg donor was too lazy to give birth to him herself. What a nightmare she must be.
That boy is gunna school his left wing nut job not mom in biology.
Yep.. Every woman is afraid of the body and mental changes pregnancy implies, it's normal and part of the process. Also every woman gets over those fears as part of her normal development into a mother and is capable of bearing, birthing and nursing the child. It's a transformatory experience and part of motherhood..so yeah if you voluntarily skip that part you take the risk of not being considered a mother, same if you skip bringing up the child
@@gabib.1780 True that! Although I do wish my memory was a good as it was before I had a baby, I feel a little dumber now..
@@gabib.1780 completely spot on- the very process of going through all the things with pregnancy are the foundational sacrifices for motherhood. I would argue that not allowing oneself the opportunity on purpose to grow in sacrificial love will make it harder for you to sacrifice down the line… virtue takes practice. And the fact her son points it out - I hope it helps bring out some soul searching for her sake as much as their relationship.
I totally agree, however she is raising him and biologically his mother. I think they both will need therapy, she should have got some before she made that decision. She made a lazy and selfish decision, but still is his mom.
The aunts a snotty woman. What the heck is wrong with her?
Terrible take on the first one. The millennial generation is dysfunctional in no small part because of the outlandish lengths their parents generation has gone to attempting to exclude them from adulthood, usually because they can't bear admitting that they themselves have gotten old. Besides that, grown men don't have to meekly accept callous disrespect. It's not even from his parents, it's from his Aunt-someone to whom he has never owed filial obedience.
*Ring ring* "What's that, Aunt Sally, you need me to drive you to the hospital? Sorry, but children aren't allowed to drive." *click*
hes a baby, just sit at the goddamn table
At 22, I had been married for a year and half and had a baby already. I'm 35 now, so I'm a millennial. 🤷♀️
"You're not my mom! You can't tell me what to do! I can sit wherever I want! I'm an adult"
I agree. But his reaction sounded pretty childish. If you consider yourself an adult and you want others to do so too, you kinda have to show them you are, in fact, an adult. However, I would expect that from reddit users, lost all respect for them long time ago.
Lol I'm 35 and I run into the problem of treatment like that 22 year old because I don't have kids.
Thing is I'm not having kids unless I'm married and I'm not getting married until I'm in love and at 35 I probably won't have children. I have 20 niblings and 2 grandniblings so I am really not worried- I've spent years with children and I'm blessed to have them.
He was actually right, not in storming out but in being offended. I'd disagree having children is necessarily the best way to view someone as an adult- sadly, some young couples with children are incredibly selfish and childish and it's not exactly what I view as a symbol of automatic maturity.
What is a nibling?
@@jeannedarc5351 niece or nephew
@@achaeanmapping4408 Thanks! I've never heard that before.
@@jeannedarc5351 it's a new word I learned recently for a combination of nephews and nieces! It really saves a lot of type time for me because I truly have had to argue that having niblings really changes you!
I accept that being a mother is totally different than being an an aunt but I refuse to believe a mother of one with no siblings understands motherhood much better than an aunt of 20 niblings.
Of course I understand I am perhaps egotistical but when a young nephew tells you he doesn't understand why you're not a mom because "you'd make a good mom" it kinda touches you because you can see your emotional progress with that kid and the first couple with huge separation anxiety when you watched them...
I know it seems silly but I feel so grateful for my babies that I know think of me as a pretty high falutin piece of the hierarchy that I refuse to ever think they aren't enough for my lady heart.
They're my darling children idc if that's silly feminist talk just because I didn't push them out.
@@jeannedarc5351 it was so much easier to spell out for me,! Plus, I thought niblings sounds adorable
If my brother asked me to write an essay regarding his Ph.D dissertation he'd get a kinko's printed banner with just two words printed on them. I think we all know what those words would be.
Lets go brandon?
@@drewhanna9057 letsgo Brandon
@@stevea1708 Lesgo Brandon
ROCK AUTO
Matt, I love your content, but I'm lost on your thinking for the first one. That aunt was extremely out of line and he was right to leave. While I wouldn't have reacted in that exact way that would make me angry and I understand what he is upset. He is decidedly NOT the a hole.
I don't fully agree with you on the first one Matt. You are an adult at 22, not a child. I'm pretty sure he would rather be with other adults for adult conversation.
Having children doesn't mean hey you're finally an adult. It's only a part of adulthood.
He could have handled it better but he's not an A-hole either. Upset yes but not A-hole.
I agree with you on the having kids or not should not decide if you are an adult or not.
But he definitely is an asshole for storming off, could've just shrugged it off and strike a conversation with his 20 year old relative. There's no point in storming out.
Anyone with an adult mindset should be able to recognize what table you sit at doesn't automatically make you an adult or a child. I'm 28 and half the time choose to sit at the kid table; their conversations are more fun and I like learning what they're up to. Plus, they're all my family regardless of age.
He was an adult all the way up until he handled the situation like a child by storming off
The thing is, he acted childishly. He should have just acted like his aunt was joking, laughed a bit and sit down at the adult table.
@@justhair17 because Matt made it sound like that. He skipped the whole part where the guy's aunt acted like the biggest b*. He acted like an adult. If he was a kid, he would have shove her head into her own a**. If someone told you that you're child, because you have nothing meaningfull to add to adult's conversation (even tho you have job, you pay for own stuff, you contribute to the society as an adult), would you just laugh and act like it's ok for them to talk about you like this?
I think it is incredibly condescending to sit a 22 year old male at a “kids” table. That would offend me too. Then again, I’ve served in the military and started my own business (don’t have kids, don’t think that makes me any less of a man), and I don’t know what this 22 year old has accomplished, but he isn’t a “kid”. I wouldn’t participate either. I’d just go about bettering my own life, and any family that doesn’t respect me doesn’t get the time of day from me. The thing I find ironic about the aunt thing is I’d be willing to bet she hasn’t accomplished a damn thing either her entire life. Just rode them coattails all her life and arrived at a position where she can look down on others.
What makes this guy less of a man is the fact that he posted this on Reddit asking others for verification. Who cares what others think? The responsibility to better your life is on you. Get busy
🤨 you're going to storm out of a picnic... because you were sat with kids? How about just be a good example to the kids and just spend time with them.
@@ellencox8415 I don’t agree with him “storming out”. I would just not participate. The thing about men (young men in particular) is respect is a necessity. If you grow up without feeling respect, it can lead to serious psychological issues. I’d be careful about ostracizing a 22 year old man as a “kid”. You may do a lot more harm than you realize. This attitude may be why so many young men are pansies nowadays
Well said. Completely agree same thought I had about the aunt.
Reminds me of the Christmas special “A very Brady Christmas” and Cindy was upset that she was at the kids table (Despite the fact that she was a senior in college etc.). And then they asked her near the end if she wants to join the adults table….But she decides not to because she was having fun with her niece and nephews.
I agree. I have relatives like his who treat me like a child just because I’m single even though I’m 26! It’s incredibly irritating! Not worth stomping away from a picnic for though...
Matt you finally said something stupid. I served in Nam, taught at the University level, coached CYO basketball, am married but was never able to have children.. Would you like to tell me to my face that I am not an adult?
I thought so.
take your keesh and get out of here!
i agree with you lazlos btw
@Lars Liam Vilhelm Lars -- please explain. He said, quite clearly, if you don't have children your not a man.
@Lars Liam Vilhelm Listen CAREFULLY at 2:40 to 2:50. My challenge stands
@Lars Liam Vilhelm Hello? Lars? Don't hide. Our manhood's are not at stake here!
In surrogacy cases, the children are also treated as a commodity.
Hope the boy can get in contact with his mother.
@@maddiesenator5491 oh they never do they act like the old animal kingdom this Lion didn't rip this baby cubs head off that's now his kid
@@maddiesenator5491 it's disgusting and incredibly selfish. Kids aren't prizes to be shown off, they're people with feelings
He is in contact with his mother. She is his mother by genetics/biology & by raising.
The surrogate has a similar relationship to him as a voluntary organ donor- but one who got paid for it. She did give something to him that was of value to her, but that cost was temporary, it did not require investment, & she has been paid for the trouble. He can take an interest in her, sure, but his bio mom is as much of his mother as any adoptive parent is, as well as being his actual flesh, bone, blood, & genes.
So anyone who commits a felony over 18 and who doesn’t yet have kids should be charged as a minor and have their record expunged when they marry.
Writing an essay to apologize to your sibling? I wouldn't write an essay to get out of going to jail..
Matt you should totally review the r/niceguys forum. I would love to hear your opinions on some of those strange fellows
I wouldn't sit at the kids table either.
Yeah, I would have laughed and said no thanks. And just stayed. What are they going to do?
I have a 14 year old daughter and an 18 year old daughter and they can sit wherever they want! 😆
I agree. Matt’s been wrong on this and puppies. Sweet baby gang needs a word with their leader.
I don't know. I'm 61 and if they are democraps, I'd rather sit at the kids table and have fun.
@@freedomring4813 yeah I agree but that wasn’t the question. If they were demonrats I wouldn’t even show up
Re: the surrogacy post: So she bought-off the hardships of pregnancy out of vanity and fear of discomfort, not necessity, and she's surprised the kid is questioning her commitment to parenthood? Shocking. Not that the kid lost respect for her - that should have been expected. It's shocking she can't empathize with the kid's confusion and disappointment in her. The boy probably want's to meet the woman who carried him and apologize for the narcissistic twat he has for a bio-mom.
My thoughts:
She may be his genetic mother and female parent, but of course he would question her status as his actual mother and possibly consider the woman that carried him to be his mom. I mean, that woman carried and cared for him for the most vulnerable time of his life, her body nourished and protected him as he developed. Whether people want to admit it or not there is a bond that happens during pregnancy.
I would doubt my mother's status as my mother too if she bought me out to a surrogate. I say that as a young mother myself.
as far as Surrogacy goes i think it's one thing if the mother had some serious health issues that prevented her from being able to give birth but the fact that she literally did not want the inconvenience that comes with giving birth is the sole reason she didn't ..... ngl the Husband should have put his foot down on the whole thing just being blunt about we are not doing this just because you are too selfish to have a kid there's absolutely nothing wrong with you
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 agreed, I'd make a law that surrogacy is only for couples who can't do it naturally
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 right? especially considering how much surrogacy costs! That woman runs the roost.
Probably the surrogacy has nothing to do with it but her reasons for having the surrogacy has affected every aspect of her parenting, which is why the child picked up on it.
So, following this line of reasoning, a 15-year-old with a child is an adult?
xD
Yeahhhhh, his arguement was kinda sketchy there.
What’s troubling about this Reddit column is that it’s largely used by teens and young adults who turn to each other for support, advice, validation and moral guidance. They’re not asking anyone who has a clue, they’re just agreeing with each other. This generation seems to be raising each other and it’s not going very well.
Surrogacy used to be an option for parents who wanted children but could not physically have them due to medical issues such as infertility... It's not a 'convenient' get-out-of-pregnancy-free card, and it unnerves me that anyone would choose that method. There are millions of children in the world, sitting in adoption homes... If you're too lazy or superficial to have your own kid, and willing to drop extreme amounts of money, why on earth would you not first consider adoption??? So inconceivably shallow...
Right! That one made me livid. Also the fact that she had that mind set in the first place means she's not mature enough to be a parent in the first place. If she thinks like that she's in no place to get a child imo
Is this video supposed to be a substitute for the Matt Walsh show?
This is not acceptable.
I'm sure he's on his way to a school board meeting somewhere. Maybe kentucky.
@@nervoussips2622 😂 😂 😂 could be true
@@nervoussips2622 that would be disappointing, as the gang would have been happy to accompany him for moral support.
He brought food, he isn't a kid. If you bring food that is your ticket to the adult table. I see adults with kids at my family gatherings who bring nothing, they just come to eat and feed their kids. Freeloaders deserves to be treated like kids.
Matt's take on the first one is totally out of line. Admittedly it was childish for him to storm out. But there's no denying that it's totally demeaning to be told to sit at the kids table as a 22 year old.
especially if his own parents didn't stick up for him. If you don't even garner respect from your immediate family there is a problem.
I would assume that the girl had her father's permission to use the credit card.
The surrogate mom issue. She needs to realize that her son is still a pure soul that has not been mindfucked by the new twisted world that made her decision ok.
I agree that in that situation it was certainly not okay what the mother did, but I don't think surrogacy is wrong in every situation. My aunt and her husband have been wanting to have kids for ages and tried to have them naturally many many times. It never worked, and my aunt was getting too old for that, so they tried IVF as well but that also didn't work. So they turned to surrogacy as a last resort and it worked, and now they have a healthy baby. Were my aunt and uncle wrong to choose surrogacy in that situation? I don't think so.
@@alethein359 No my friend they were not wrong. They expended their options. When people do it because they are afraid of losing their beach body then they don’t commit to the process that is literally the first symbiosis between mother and child. Vanity is a sickness also. Everyone wants to try to look their best but if your worried that your FRIENDS will look at you differently then you need need to check your program. Babies are awesome and they are an immediate headcheck that gets you back on track.
@@joeybagodoughnuts3357 I have just realised that what is being described in the video is not what my aunt and uncle did. What they did was found an egg donor and then used IVF to conceive, but it was my aunt who carried and gave birth to the baby even though technically the child isn't biologically hers. That's actually kinda the opposite of what the reddit woman did lol. My mistake, I had just woke up when I wrote my original comment and must have not been thinking straight.
@@alethein359 No worries man. But you see the difference.
So friggn' misleading about _quiche._ I make a _quiche_ so powerful that it will restore your faith in masculinity itself.
Lol 😂 Seriously tho, quiche is good.
well come on post the recipe
Wrong on the first one, Matt. That’s absolutely insulting, taking the time to be responsible and handle adult responsibilities only to be placed right back at square one for no other reason than not having kids.
It's not for no other reason than not having kids, it's for having no more responsibilities than a teenager who doesn't screw up what ought to be the relatively simple act of keeping a job and not letting your money go negative. I guarantee you, neither Matt nor anybody else would call you a kid if you were a twenty-two year old single war veteran or business owner or something. But the surest sign that you really are still a kid is that you take somebody calling you one seriously. If you're any kind of adult your accomplishments speak for themselves, including to you, and you know you don't have to prove anything. At worst, you might get a laugh out of some old fart acting like they're such a boss when they haven't done much. Guess they'll just be surprised and impressed with how competent you are, right? Easy good impressions are the best ones to make, after all, since people that shallow aren't hard to surpass. Also, you're probably an older adult if you ramble on forever because you have more points than anybody has time......
@@arcdecibel9986 frankly i think the mistake the guy made was storming off he should have just said yea I'm not a kid anymore I'm 22 and then refuse to engage further on the issue and remain seated while if she continues to press the issue people will tell her to sit down if she doesn't then it's clear who the problem is
Having been unjustly relegated to the kid table so my ten year old niece could sit with adults because I deigned to inform her where the kids table was I do wish I’d handled it differently. 1) I wish when my sister (not her mother) “called me out” I would’ve said “honey, your other aunt has offered to give up her seat for you” rather than just taking it and ending up at the kid table. 2) i wish I would’ve enjoyed the kid table more. If I’m a “kid” I’m acting like it. Food fight!
Let’s be real. Parents want to be at the adult table the same reason the singles do: adult conversation with out the distraction of kids. By trying to relegate single adults to the kid table they are consciously or subconsciously looking for free baby sitters.
So if you keep separate tables then 1) you’re okay with kid chaos and all adults get to be at the adult table regardless of parental status or 2) parents sit at the kid table unless they ask for a babysitter from their siblings. Alternatively, do away with kid tables and parents rangle their own kids as they do at ever other meal.
No, a 22 year old is an adult. NOT an asshole for leaving.
Agree with Matt on all but the 1st one. That 22 year old is kind of baby for leaving, but I disagree with “you’re not an adult until you’re married with kids.” That’s some grade A BS right there and tbh I would’ve been upset if my family disrespected me like that too.
Well said. As a 25yo who desperately WANTS to get married and have kids but hasn't yet been blessed with the opportunity, that kind of sentiment is not only very condescending but also frankly hurtful and frustrating.
@@NattiKay Yeah I’m 27 and in the same predicament (idk about desperately). I’m glad my family does treat me like an adult though
if you dont want me sitting with you sharing meaningful conversation something that doesn't happen at a kids table then dont invite me to begin with. i mean i could of spent that time spitting seed into a womb so you would recognize me as a real man next picnic. gosh
Don’t worry Matt. You are not a politician, which means you don’t have to like people when you don’t.
Ironic to see that the Catholic can't appreciate someone not being married, considering it's one of few religions that require the priests to be unmarried.
Haha! there you go your attention
You're wrong about the first one. Its not childish for an adult to not put up with being treated as a child. They deliberately insulted him, why would he not stand up for himself?
How can I continue my day without hearing Matt say “Godspeed “?
I know right? Im crying and shaking rn!!!!!!!!
I gotta say, I think that was a pretty horrible take on the first scenario. Just my opinion.
Matt doesn't realize that people without children see him with his family and think "I do not want that for myself"
@Lars Liam Vilhelm You're exactly what I'm talking about. People look at you and think "I don't want that for myself." Raging at people without kids and projecting your low IQ worldview onto other people like they should give a fuck if you think they are "adult" enough for you. Keep your ignorance to yourself. I have no problems with someone who is 80 years old and parties every night compared to the typical religious person who apparently has sex only for procreation, virgin until married, losers for the rest of their lives, etc.
You are the face of the incel movement.
While I don’t agree with how the first guy behaved in response to having to go to the kids table, I do empathize with the guy. Maybe it’s bc I’m 23, but really it does feel a bit condescending and inconsiderate being assigned to the kids table when you are a full adult.
I’ve been sat at the kids table before by family basically to serve as day care service for the young kids, and while I don’t complain out of politeness and respect, (not to mention I enjoy interacting with kids so I don’t mind too much) but it still does feel somewhat hurtful and inconsiderate to have that responsibility imposed upon me when I am a guest at a family members home.
Especially since my family also sometimes likes to have friends over whom I don’t know well. It’s definitely awkward having to watch after a strangers kids vs watching after young cousins.
He isn't a full adult though. Does he even own any land? What a goob
@@MWilk098 idk if that’s the best metric. Plenty of people only ever rent property, doesn’t necessarily mean they are not adults. To each their own I guess.
@@lizb680 It does and they deserve to sit at the kids table at their family gatherings and in all aspects of political life.
@@MWilk098 you are welcome to think in such a way. I disagree. C’est la vie.
@@lizb680 if you have no children you have no stake in the future.
The proper response for the kids' table one was to say that he may not be able to contribute at the adult table but he would love to sit in learn by listening... Gets'em every time.
Her husband should have put his foot down about it, honestly. Surrogacy is an awful practice and dehumanizing is exactly right. Your son should be appalled.
If someone assigned me an essay, and requested three paragraphs, the first would be "Go" and the last would be "yourself."
Okay...you're not less of an adult because you have not had the opportunity to get married or have kids yet. I agree with 98% of what Matt Walsh says, but that one pissed me off. Marraige happens at different times for different people. Being single and working while you're looking for marraige is 100% being an adult 🤦♀️
No you're less of an adult because you had a temper tantrum and stomped off with your bottom lip out. I'll admit it's kind of a chicken/situation did he act like a pouty baby because he had to sit at the kids table, or did he have to sit at the kids table because he was acting like a pouty baby?
@@austinveno6743 I don't necessarily agree with his behavior but I disagree with what his aunt said. I think they were both in the wrong.
@@austinveno6743 He left a picnic after he was told that his presence at the picnic was unwanted. That's not being childish, it's being a mature adult. Being angry about it is simply being human.
You pronounce “quiche” correctly. Also, quiche is an amazing man food. Because it’s cheese, eggs, and bacon IN A PIE. That’s a perfect dish for men!
AGREED. Manly food.
yeah but its less picnic food and more "I dont care if my food looks like regurgitated rat guts and sperm, its still tasty and healthy
@@Iianator Apparently you've never had quiche then, because it's the furthest thing from healthy. I can feel my arteries clogging just from saying the word.
You're CANCELED
Yes quiches is good manly food for Easter brunch but NOT for a picnic!
Nope, aunt is the a hole. My brother is 43, unmarried, and doesn’t have kids. I’d raise hell if an aunt said that to him.
The kids table is typically a bunch of kids giggling and throwing each other with stuff, and talking about their last game of tag or something. Even for a 16 year old that can be demeaning. The entry requirement for the adult table is behaving like an adult.
I've known several kids that have had their parent's credit cards with permission. That lady truly was an a-hole.
Using their parent's credit cards ... and spending THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS at Bloomingdales??? Nice try, but this isn't the same as giving your kids the card to pick up prescriptions at CVS.
P.S. If they truly weren't in the wrong, then it's a simple matter of the store calling the father and asking if the girls have permission. It's not that hard.
@@mr.battle20 so you've never met a wealthy family? I certainly didn't have that access as a kid, but knew several families that were very well off. All sorts of kids get nice cars on their 16th birthday, etc.
@@randygiles845 My aunt and uncle are multi-millionaires, actually.
Matter aside, it's just as I said. If the girls truly weren't in the wrong, it would be a simple matter to have the store call the dad and clear up the misunderstanding. The fact that they DIDN'T speaks volumes.
What's wrong with quiche huh? I'm appalled at your dislike of quiche
At a picnic? the boy shows his immaturity right there.
Ya its not the quiche that's the problem. Bring it to a picnic and you're the ahole lol
No real man eats quiche.
@@bullirish How dare you use quiche as an excuse to attack my masculinity. The fact that I've never been to the gym or touched a woman would be better subject matter.
he shoulda brought some quiche flavored chips, I mean, people would still think he isn't manly, but at least he brought chips
What is the one thing people ask for, people are happy to give, but never take?
A. Advice
Sorry Matt, but being married and having kids doesn't make you an adult. You are wrong on scenario #1. That young man was 100% right to leave. It's his family that is the a-hole. Actually it's you ( Matt) that needs to grow up. By the way, Quiche is wonderful!
Quiche is wonderful but a picnic? Thats a breakfast dish thats weird and doesnt fit the vibe so matts right.
Also if there were only 8 seats at a table then he is the asshole hes got a cousin thats 21 that hes probs close to just chill with them at the kids table. The 25 year olld being at the adullt table might be a llittle annoying in that case but everyone else is 30+. Storming off does make them a child. Sorry but Matts right on this one.
@@The0Kiyubii0Kid sorry but no, Matt is wrong. They could have pulled up an extra seat. His aunt was being unreasonable. You can also eat quiche any time of day. What he brought to the picnic was probably way better than what everyone else brought-based on that alone he should have been at the adult table.
@@Alexander44665 its a picnic table in a park u dummy. Have you ever seen those tables? Theres no extra chairs lmao. If they were at their house sure I agree.
@@The0Kiyubii0Kid I see you are an adult lol. You'd be surprised at how many people you can fit at a picnic table. Sorry Tyler, but I don't argue with children.
@@Alexander44665 Im 28 man. But saying to pull up a chair to a bench is just a stupid thing to say. But yes take the im superior so im the adult cuz thats not childish at all lol.
That credit card thing at the end…Aren’t there a thousand rich kids shopping like that every day?
yea but for all she knew she didn't know who the hell that kid was and illegally using his card would cause him such a legal headache trying to refund everything
Yeah. Def how rich kids shop. If dad allows it that’s dads issue. If he doesn’t notice on his cc bill again dads issue.
That lady wrote this as if she was so courageous for calling out a teenage girl at BLOOMINGDALES... lol. If she was really concerned why not call the police! Follow the girl to the next store to be sure she doesn’t repeat this “fraud”!
She is def the A hole.... not just for what she did but for acting all self righteous and brave for stopping a sale at Bloomingdales.
She was prol just impatient in line. However I also find it very hard to believe they “somehow” ended up at the same place to pay ..... There are not check out lanes at Bloomingdales’s. Sounds like a bitter nosy lady to me. Also the girl didn’t say they STOLE the card. But ,hey, bravery in 2021 right . Girls prol just went over to Neiman Marcus after that and bought shoes there... with daddy’s blessing.
Hi Matt! Big fan. However, I have to disagree with your first answer. As someone who is 22, I also have a job, pay rent, and own a car. I also have a Bachelor's degree (not a grad degree, don't worry) and am debt-free (those last two admittedly are not requirements to adulthood; however, I believe they show my maturity and ability).
The only things keeping me from getting married and having kids are as follows:
1. I'm asexual.
2. I haven't yet gotten close to an equally yoked woman who is also willing to deal with not having sex or biological kids since I also unfortunately have mental disorders and I don't want to risk giving them to our kids.
As such, under these circumstances, I'm not a child. I'm a child of my parents' lineage and I'm a child of God, but aside from that, I'm a grown man. Thank you to whoever read this.
Last one is such a simple solution: cashier calls the company and verifies if she’s an authorized user or not. If she isn’t, then don’t complete the transaction. If she is, carry on.
I am under the understanding that with Visa and MasterCard, authorized users have their name imprinted on the card.
@@dgathome4345 You would think, but sometimes there are multiple authorized users for a single account and cards issued in each persons name, cards only will have one single name at a time. So a husband and wife might share an account and she uses his card - she is an authorized user (possibly even co-account holder) and Visa will approve the transaction with a special code if you call for it. Some parents will add their teens as authorized users. There's dedicated phone lines specifically for fraud that retailers can call and get through without hold times.
I am basically always at the kids' table. If someone were to try and exclude me from my rightful kids' table spot, I would burst into tears, grab my bottle of Jaigermeister out of the freezer, and storm out.
Mark Twain once observed that a man with a mule can vote. If the mule dies, then the man can't vote.Does the right to vote reside in the mul or the man? If the man can't sit with the adults unless he has a child, does maturity reside the the man or the child? Sorry, Matt, you're wrong. You, of all people, should know that we're not defined by others.
"The kids' table" is a weird concept. Thankfully, I've only ever heard it talked about but never experienced it IRL.
For me, the kids table is better since my cousins are the same age and we can relate better than 50 year olds
Lets go Brandon!
The second one I could *kind* of understand sending family a video to try and help them understand why she quit, but making them do an *assignment* is ridiculous.
She's a narcissist. And some will follow right along with her controlling agenda.
@@zenyattamondatta7757 oh absolutely.
No Matt - while I liked your thought of “replacement” yet it’s called the adult table, NOT the “parent” table. Some people can’t have children so would they need to stay at the kids table until they go into the nursing home 😳😄
If you're ABLE to have children, and neither a priest nor nun, what reason do you have not to have children?
@@xerneastrainer8111 My husband had kids when we got married & refused to have kids with me. Thankfully God released me from the burden of wanting to so badly by showing me scripture about the motherless being mother to hundreds, which made me available to the students I was a counselor to. (Our first grandchild was born 6 months after our wedding, he's 7 years older than me)
@@xerneastrainer8111 my aunt never married. Just never found the guy. She's a bitter old woman though, so...
My sister married and divorced her abusive husband within 2 years time and never married again.
Not everyone finds the right person. Not everyone is able to conceive. Not everyone wants children. Some people have several miscarriages, and are never able to carry to term. There are numerous reasons why people never have children.
@@Junk8 That means you're choosing to sit at the kids' table.
The car-in-the-clock one: That guy is the a-hole, though, for needing to look at his watch to see what the real time is instead of just subtracting 5.
I think a better word would have been "assholery" rather than "assholeness"