YMS Makes Absolutely Brain Dead Argument On EFAP
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2023
- That is quite a bold statement. Considering you've dedicated a good portion of your life to making reviews and essays. You even made a two hour essay on Lion King. And seem to be very emotional connected to that movie. But yet not to the characters. Seems strange.
#yms #mauler #geeksandgamers #movies #debate #argument
So, basically, when it's not a character that you personally are deeply invested in, it's irrelevant, but as soon as it's a character that you actually care about, it's different. Got it.
That might be the worst take I’ve ever heard
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I had a convo like this with a virgin Stan years ago.
Me: "Fromino was an Abomination"
Him: "IDC! She was cast by Ryan and I love him"
(Yeah, that Guy is Gay but lets move on)
ME: "YKW? Sooner or later they will ruin a Character you care about"
Him: "Ha! That will never happen!"
Months pass and a Biracial "Actress" was cast as Ariel.
Him: "REEEEEEEE!!!"
Me: "I told you"
Well you could tell that he didnt come on the show to have a discussion, he came on cause he felt like he needed to justifie his arguments.
This dude talks like he's above being emotionally attached to a certain version of a character/franchise, and yet he dedicated months of his life making a 2 hour long rant video about 2019's lion king where he hyper nitpicks every single millisecond of the damn thing for not respecting the original. This is what happens when you make your entire internet persona revolve around being a contrarian. You end up going against your OWN actions and beliefs.
Not liking the 2019 Lion King is contrarian? I thought it was pretty commonly believed that it was awful despite its success, I thought that even coming out of the theater when I was 15.
@@R0bert714 I wasn't talking about Lion king 2019 when talking about him being a contrarian. I was talking about him in general.
In this same EFAP, he also expressed frustration with the characters in Glass being ruined. He certainly felt attached to those characters.
Months?
My man, it’s been nearly 4 - 5 years, it took him a year for the simba video I believe, so that was released 3 years ago, The *First* part of the lion king video was 2 years ago, and he’s still doing the second part, man’s dedicated upwards of %15 of his life just on Lion King 2019
@@doctorgrubious7725 I was being generous when I said months.
Never has one man been so smugly self-assured about views he is so completely incapable of defending.
Have you met Hasan Piker
@@zachwinters5387 As Actual Justice Warrior simply calls him, Cenk's nephew. He'll always just be Cenk's nephew to me.
@enjoytheholidays Vaush is a broken clock. Adum is a broken man.
@enjoytheholidays It's the smug moralizing that I find annoying more than the grifting; a fool and his money are easily parted, as the saying goes. The Drinker is apparently a hack and a grifter for having a "bad media diet" (lol) yet it's perfectly acceptable that Adam himself has a channel founded on and still almost entirely based around reviewing popular schlock. Not to make this in any way political (as Adum and his audience very clearly were wont to) but Adum really shows his colours with his "rules for thee not for me" approach to running his channel.
@@dannyknightblade4592 eww actual justice warrior. also drinker thinks more of himself than this guy same with mauler esp mauler smug AF
This is especially hilarious after the Spiral EFAP Movies. Adam goes on several justified rants about the creator of that film disrespecting the franchise, and he doesn't even think the Saw franchise is very good.
I kinda agree with his takes on Saw tbh. I think the only film you could really make a case for being good is the firet
@@rollingcameraproductions7103it’s that he doesn’t agree with his saw takes. He accuses drinker of the very things he’s guilty of and appears to have no self awareness
I like YMS, but he can be really frustrating sometimes. Especially in livestreams. It's like once something leaves his mouth, even if he didn't think it through at all beforehand, he'll defend it to the death.
I feel like it's more him trying to explain what he said rather than defend it, which in my mind aren't the same thing. Further explaining a statement you made or providing more insight aren't inherently argumentative things. But I do see where you're coming from.
@@PlasmidJunkie The difference between a defense and an explanation of the stupid thing someone said is them acknowledging in some way that what they said was dumb or that they disagree with it. It can take many forms, such as them saying they misspoke, or that they didn't think it through before speaking, or that they meant something else but failed to make that clear, maybe there's a misunderstanding etc etc.
like a moron, that is how morons act
@cursedbytheblade because Adam has good opinions, the same thing can be said about rags, Adam just really made a stupid statements.
He is generally a pretty balanced and professional (for YT, that is) guy - but very much agree with the livestream stuff
YMS definitely feels inside out upside down with his defense of his statements. He's so dedicated to defending what he said off the cuff that he's ignoring the parts of himself and his internal reflections that its baffling to watch him attempt to make a fortress out of sand, in the ocean. It's just gunna wash away guy. Take a moment. Its ok to admit you were wrong. I'm wrong all the time. Everybody does it. It's not a big deal, IF you can just admit it.
I don't know which is worse. If he did that to just try to win or he actually isn't attached to characters. Which seems strange considering he is a movie critic and made the Lion King video essay.
@@sandmancinema6859 Well a movie critic doesn't necessarily have to be focused on characters, still strange, but they could be focused more on plot or consistency of scenes or a number of other specialties. What's more troubling to me, as you mentioned was Adam's in-depth review of the Lion King and his various statements on Scar. How Scar knowing he didn't have the power to directly challenge Mufasa and chose to scheme for power made him feel more human and relatable and also how much he enjoyed the portrayal of the character itself. His current statements feel that much more disingenuous because of his previous body of work.
@@heritortheory6201 What I mean is if your going to become a movie critic. That type of person is usually passionate about movies. So to say that you don't care about characters or don't get emotionally invested in them or don't care if there ruined is very strange.
@@sandmancinema6859 Ah ok. Took a while for that to sink in with me. That is very strange. Especially when YMS is so engaged with pushing indie films which because of budget concerns are typically character driven stories. Almost like he simultaneously loves small films for their characters but doesn't care about the state of characters in big budget films, which is abysmal these days. It's a double-edged sword for his arguments. How could you care so deeply about those characters but not these ones?
He also emphasizes representation, but the best way to do that isn't to shoehorn in a type of person, but to build a strong character to engage with the story they are involved within. It really doesn't matter to most people what your character's views or life goals are, as long as you adequately portray them as making logical and emotional choices based on their perspective. Rather than just making things happen because checklist.
YMS is the kind of critic/youtuber who would sooner impale himself on a sword than even entertain the idea of being wrong
Isn't the point of bringing characters back because people love them and are invested in them, therefore it's logical they would feel insulted by having their promised meal being shat on?
Adum is inspecting the shit but refuses to look up and acknowledge the shitter after many other people tell him to look up.
stories aren't meals, made to please you. Why do people want to badly to be pandered to?? It's not that it's bad writing, it's that they're insulted. It's so insanely childish lol
@@smellvadordali9806 Returns of old characters are usually to attract the audience.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Yeah from a financial point of view. But as a viewer you're buying into the cynical considerations made by company executives that actively degrade the art being made.
I think what YMS forgets is not everyone finds these projects or characters as part of a profession, they engage with the art when life is happening to them and the level of connection is often incidental. Thats not to say its healthy to say you should make your life The Brand, but he's being a snob.
For example, I am a big Tolkien fan and about 9-10 years old I got some mystery illness that for all intents and purposes looked bad, so much so I inadvertently heard my doctor trying to fast track an oncology referral. I was in poor shape and I was deteriorating at a pace and in way that terrified my family.
So, I re-read my favourite books LotR, and I was trying not to think about how much or little life I might have left, or how difficult it might be. It wasn't fair, I was a kid, so didn't get why it had to be me. Anyway, come that eternal line from Gandalf "all we have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to us" and as good as that line is anyway it held more significance then than at any other time.
Or what about a few years ago the Father that had legal troubles with Disney not letting him having a Spiderman image for his son's headstone. That boy went through so much, and his love of the character is a testament to the power of that character that he took comfort in.
So blow it up your ass, YMS.
It's so weird how he almost tries to refuse to see these weird writing trends. Sometimes in some of his own videos he even seems to criticize aspects of them without allowing himself to realize why they're like that or what they really mean. It's really weird how he's almost defending these awful film studios and writers even though he doesn't even like their films either. It also really annoys me how he always goes "haha, right?" or "you know?" at the end of when he says anything. You can tell he thinks he has this enlightened perfect view of things and he thinks everyone else is dumber and just relates to characters on a childish personal level and watches only bad American content. "See? You're just imagining this trend whose surface-level symptoms I also criticize. You just don't see it as bad writing because you don't have a 'healthy media diet' like me, you know?"
Well put. I think the reason is because people like Adam are not incentivized to criticize wokeness. People on the left are incentivized to play it down or defend it or to keep there mouth shut. Otherwise they will be called out by the woke mob.
@@sandmancinema6859I don’t even think Adam is woke. He has criticized wokeness he just doesn’t think it’s problem in movies that aren’t based in Hollywood.
@@briansupermega5692 Maybe, but the point is he is on the left. And if he started critiquing wokeness then the woke left would call him out.
@@sandmancinema6859 yes but this applies to both side. It’s bad argument because it assumes something you don’t know. It assumes his intentions for his argument wether then the validity of the argument on its own
@@briansupermega5692 I merely pointed it out because most people take the path of least resistance. And they hate going against the herd. I would find that a better reason then the terrible arguments and takes he makes.
Adam disregarding the trend of established characters being disrespected. I mean the characters in Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, The Disney Live Action Remakes, James Bond, Terminator, Dr Who, Star Trek Discovery, Picard, Rings Of Power, Witcher, Wheel Of Time, Willow... The list is too long too ignore. Not to mention him saying he doesn't care if they ruin characters. Or that he doesn't get attached to characters.
So, YMS is an absolete hypocrete. Ok. Got it.
So is everyone else on earth then.
@thirdhandlv4231 what?!?!! Wtf are you talking about? What a pathetic response. Why even bother?
@@jaycee2070 Lol the way you absolutely melt over a single sentence is insane.
News agencies should hire you, you would make anything sound like the end of the world.
hypocrite*
Honestly I think that live YMS and video YMS are two different people. Or atleast it feels like he doesn't think about what he is saying unless it is in one of his video essays.
Couldn't agree with you more. In his videos he is very to the point and knows what he is talking about. On a livestream he is all over the place. Although I think this one was especially bad because he was caught defending alot of terrible positions.
@@sandmancinema6859 I like his videos too but can't watch the livestreams. They're always filled with dead air while he messes around pulling something up like a video, adjusting things for stream, fact checking, and some asmr of him breathing heavily or eating lol
God forbid having to listen to him complaining about a trailer not being uploaded in 4K
Don’t forget his takes on Twitter, some pretty bad ones on there.
@@kirby2567 god, don't remind me
I love how this whole thing spawned from Adum not understanding that Drinker was talking about big budget, mainstream Hollywood movies specifically and not movies in general.
Big budget mainstream movies have basically sucked since the dawn of time though? They haven't become any worse because of the "woke agenda."
So movies like saving private ryan, good fellas, t2 judgement day, alien1979, og star wars trilogy, og indiana jones trilogy ect are bad movies to you?
@@jamk2668no, they haven’t actually.
@@andymartinez4268modern big budget movies.
I give YMS argument a 6/10 lol
A positive score to be sure, but some serious issues, seems to describe YMS pretty well
@@someeejit it's kind of a butt of the joke where he sees high quality movies and films a 6/10 despite him giving it many positive scores and it ended up around that general area. He even has a T-shirt for it lol.
“It’s closer to a 7 than a 5”
Now i love yms but this dude will only like movies if it's literally a masterpiece, it has to be perfection for him to give it like 5/10 the story not being original is all it takes for him not to like it, it's bizarre he doesn't really care about how well the art is done because it isn't original enough
He actually applies scores the way the numbers suggest. 5/10 is an average, likeable film.
"The modernist thirst for originality makes the mediocre artist believe that the secret of originality consists simply in being different." ~Nicolás Gómez Dávila
modernism died in 1920 tf are you talking about@@oleghrozman4172
But at the same time he says he cares more about presentation than what happens in a movie! It's very inconsistent
when the lion king is a rip off hamlet
You clearly misinterpreted what yms was saying in that scar clip
the answer is - as always - "it's okay when I do it and only when I do it, I will find objections to this when it is done with other people."
also doesn't help that he's been doing it a lot longer and the guy who he's upset at surpassed him in subs a while back.
@@lithosagymfan oh honey you don't want to use the Hitler defence, there's memes about you doing that.
Except he's connecting it to the craftsmanship of the film. Holy crap.
Yeah kinda hypocritical of him especially in efap movies for Spiral he went on a rant about the creator thinking himself better than the franchise
The Not So Great Debate Guy: Luke had so much to lose because he's old.
Adum: Making characters old is so uncreative and repetitive.
He's extremely dishonest.
Nah, his criticisms were valid
@@orozcodavid101Not mutually exclusive.
It's funny because, in their debate on reviews vs impressions, YMS was very confident and reasonable on what he had to say and was on top of mauler and fringy in terms of arguments. But here, mauler is destroying YMS, almost pathetically in terms of how defensive YMS gets to the point where it seems like he doesn't listen to reason or is straight up inconsistent.
YMS is just saying he doesn't really care if a character is "disrespected", he just wants characters to be written well and written consistently. Which is pretty much the same position as Mauler and the EFAP crew.
LMAO no it's not. Character assassination is not "well-written."
@@afellowvoluntaryist195 try using your tiny brain and read the comment again, i'm sure you'll get it eventually.
*YMS makes absolutely brain dead argument
there, fixed it for you
This is why you NEVER EVER trust a furry.
But Rag'ss tho???
@@tentacledood5784 NEVER TRUST DANGNABBIT!
@@griffinoleary1694 ;-;
@@tentacledood5784 i know it can be hard but, we are skinnys, and they are furries
Yms is a furry?
Adum is having a subjectivity is implied moment aka TLJ/TLOU 2 defender syndrome.
Oh no! God forbid people like movies and games that you personally don't! What a crime!
@@HOTD108_
Cuties?
@@marduk1734Did YMS defend Cuties?
@@justincruz5720
Unlikely, but Jack Saint, MovieBob, Dobson and 95% of Breadtubers did.
P.S: he didn't DEFEND the movie, buuuuuuuuut...
@@marduk1734 But what? What did he do?
I like being charitable. I think we're seeing cognitive dissonance, not hypocrisy. People can believe polar opposite statements without realising. I think Adam is just so bent on defending himself he forgets how he feels about the Lion King because the context of the conversation wasn't fully realised for him.
He made a lot of silly comments in this efap. I think a lot comes from him being jealous of the critical drinker. It really showed when he found out the drinker is a professional writer and not some self published guy on Amazon.
Maybe, although I if he is I bet its do to him being the biggest youtube movie critic. Despite Adam thinking he is more knowledgable critic. Even though he doesn't care about mainstream Hollywood. Which if your going to ignore the biggest films that is going to hider your growth.
So what if he’s a professional writer? He can still be wrong and just not very good at his craft. YMS has nothing to be jealous about, and I’m not even a fan of YMS. You EFAP people are so full of yourselves you stretch so absolutely far to be right, you can’t even admit your wrong, this is a new level of petty and egotism.
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ That's funny considering the Adam stretched himself to be right about not caring about characters. He forgot about the 2 hour Lion King video essay he did. What a new level of petty and egotism.
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ your boy Adam seemed to care a whole lot and made a point of it by bringing it up to dismiss him. I’ve got no dog in this fight but I can recognize jealousy when I see it.
@@sandmancinema6859 ok sure Adam is petty and egotistical, I am not trying to defend him you moron, they are all seriously insecure.
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What exactly was YMS getting at here? Like even if someone did feel slighted by seeing a beloved character being depicted less than respectably, wouldn’t bad writing already have a lot to do with that? Look at Luke in Last Jedi for example. Even to those who felt slighted seeing the iconic hero of the original trilogy reduced to haggard, titty milk drinking recluse. Wasn’t part of the issue that the reason given for why he ended up that way was so poorly thought out and wildly out of character for him? What Adam says here feels like such a non-sequitur to what’s being discussed. Also as this video demonstrates, he’s a bit hypocritical trying to hand wave it away because he personally doesn’t have the same connection with certain other characters. For a guy who meticulously dissected the 2019 Lion King and the disservice it does a remake of a classic film, it’s odd how he can’t fathom people would feel the same way for other properties, to a point where I can only assume he’s either cognitively dissonant on this, or he’s just straight up acting in bad faith. Whether or not people have a personal attachment to characters is irrelevant. Treating an iconic character with respect IS good writing, because it’s the best mechanism for consistent characterization. This is why a movie like the Last Jedi fails, and why a movie like Logan succeeds.
Not if the people who are watching it are losers
Bro when he said that @1:28 I was thinking “Scar. Scar! SCAAARR.” and you played the exact reference I had in mind, thank you very much. Well done!
It’s sad to see YMS in such a stupid pretzel. His Lion King 2k19 review is one of the most cathartic videos I’ve ever seen, exactly like Mauler’s Last Jedi, except that by 2019 I had actually seen the Last Jedi and found out how much I could be hurt by a bastardized film, so I made the major decision to not see the Lion King remake, for my psychological safety. I didn’t want those images to ever come into my head when I thought of The Lion King, the way I now have _Coward_ Luke and _Christopher Walken_ King Louie intruding on my mental pictures of Star Wars and the Jungle Book.
YMS’s critique of the remake allowed me to witness the horror vicariously and in good company, a companion indeed whose favorite movie is also The Lion King, who happens to speak the language of film music and can articulate all my grave issues with the details down to the fundamental approach taken by these craven poachers of artistic substance, who skin their prey and leave the bones and flesh rotting on the roadside, as if the facade on their mantle is an animal life to breathe. These same pathetic poachers who got hold of Star Wars, etc. etc.! And YMS perfectly expressed what a sin it is to take a character like Scar, who is brimming with personality and presence and purpose, and render him utterly flat, empty of intrigue, and completely at odds with his established portrayal; in short, characterizing him wrong. This is patently the same problem that recurs across modern media: Creative properties in the hands of uncreative, small-minded, greedy, insensitive, out of touch, stupid idiots. Toddlers making movies for babies, as YMS would call them. Wish he wouldn’t let some unrelated imported bias dictate whether he can agree with someone like The Critical Drinker, who cares for storytelling just like him and makes cogent critiques of Movies that Suck just like him.
YMS is cringe
They're both hypocrites for different reasons.
"I don't know how many people that get mad about star wars can say that about star wars, but I can definitely say that about the lion king."
YMS- “I don’t feel”
Wow, Adum's gotten some of that Hasan Chud brain rot. Very sad to see a favorite creator go down this route
Top notch edit my man👌🏻
If YMS saw the Mona Lisa he’d complain it’s not clear what’s she’s looking at. Worst kind of criticism is surface level and nitpicking
If Ripley and Sarah Conner would have came out today, Critical Incel fans would have said "That's SJW propoganda".
@@everythingisawesome2903if Sarah Connor Biggest problem were that she got catcalled by a MaN it would be, but Hollywood has already forgot how to do good feminist movies, don't believe me? Watch both Mulan movies and ask yourself, what is different and most importantly why?
@@everythingisawesome2903No he wouldn't. Because he praised Arcane and that has a lesbian protagonist.
The diferentes is she's written well.
@@tentacledood5784you are wasting your breath. the guy you are replying to unironically used the word incel.
So people didn’t like arcane? Lol or the first Wonder Woman movie?
The Last Jedi would’ve been a great example or a shitty old character
I didn't know he was part of EFAP. I only just recently found him when he played/still plays Goodbye Volcano High and (the superior) Snoot Game. He seems to be very convinced of himself, but considering that he kept making one careless decision after the other in a VN in which the Players choices actually matter, only shows me that he doesn't really care.
YMS isn't a part of EFAP. He only came on in response to EFAP covering his criticism of the Critical Drinker.
what do you mean "part of efap"? He was a guest a few times, like in the current halloween arc.
This is the guy that tried to defend bestiality by whataboutisming Horse-racing and dog shows.
The cliffhanger of Force Awakens was so epic. Clearly the intention was to treat Luke Skywalker's triumphant return with reverence, but when JJ Abrams reached out to hand the baton to Rian, instead of taking it he slapped it away and pinched a log in its place. When Rian passed the log to JJ, he hastily got a replacement baton, but it was too late. His hands were already covered in poo.
I mean the last Jedi is alright
@@Theagentofchaos-r5qno
@@pokespartytv8086lol but there are some good stuff.
To be fair in that clip he was talking about how he’s sexually attracted to scar since it made him become a furry
This was painful!!!!!
This stream was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. His quickie content has been absolute shit for a very long time, but after this, I finally felt justified in unsubbing from him. Such a shame to see a creator you loved for years go right down the shitter
Exactly the reason i stopped watch yms.
Ive seen his FA, he is REALLY into Scar if you catch my drift
1:05 He's depressed and angry all the time. You had the same problem with Han Solo not changing at all and now you're saying you're fine with it.
The issue is that Han Solo wasn't "not changing" but that he was pushed into reverting to a flanderized state. With Logan, he's angry at the world but it's still an evolution and response to the world and how it changed. With Han Solo, the world hasn't changed that much yet he's flung back into just being a smuggler with no real justification. They just snap to the change instead of showing how the change occured.
In Logan, we see how the world has gone, what the status of Logan is and why these things happened. For Han Solo, he's a side character. He doesn't show up until we leave Jakku, in comparison to Logan who we are with for essentially the whole journey. Yet he still maintains core character principles that we expect of Logan.
Plus, Logan and the Wolverine character are deconstructed and studied and ultimately celebrated. Han Solo doesn't get anywhere near that level of study. He's just a prop to make people "Remember?!?"
@@lithosagymfan
War only started in TFA after Starkiller Base blew up one system so there goes points one and two.
He lost his son... and its never elaborated on what their relationship was. Han and Leia dedicate about 150 words max to discussing Kylo. Was Han a good father and Kylo was just an ass? Was Kylo a good son pushed to a breaking point? How did Snoke manipulate them? Not a clue.
Han was promoted to a high rank within the rebellion and his entire character arc was learning to place belief and care into others beyond himself. He cares about Luke in ANH, Leia in TESB and then the efforts of the Rebellion in ROTJ.
Him and Leia's separation seems to have been placed more on Kylo's sudden downfall rather than Leia apparently choosing work over their happiness. And you said so yourself "The movie doesn't state any of this". Movies should be able to state it without words as well. But we have nothing.
The issue, as I said, was that they didn't want to evolve Han. They wanted to just use him to prop up the other characters. Kylo is a big example of this with him just being Han and Leia's son which carries most of his character on the surface but it practically crumbles when you proceed to ask any questions about it beyond that.
YMS does reviews on movies he doesn’t finish. At that point he already lost cred.
Yeah he made some really stupid defences like “videos cost money” and some other stupid takes
Yeah. That doesn’t seem very fair.
He lost me right from the start. Even as an adult, I still enjoy watching the Lorax. I have no personal connection to it aside from thinking it's enjoyable. "A genuinely awful movie," is such a bizarre descriptor for it.
This feels like a bad faith argument to me. He's saying he wouldn't feel "disrespected" if a long-established character were deconstructed poorly, not that it isn't bad writing, as is the case with the Shyamalan example. This extends even to when he's feeling "upset" about the lion king reboot. It's the difference between moral failing and an artistic failing. That said, I haven't seen his LK reboot review nor the relevant EFAP episode, so I may be missing further context. Feel free to shit on me in any replies :)
I've seen his reviews and he's very vocal about his displeasure with the remake, expressing how they don't understand the decisions made in the original.
@@hideofreakingkojima5457Yeah they don't understand, but it's not him saying "they are purposely disrespecting it to make me angry"
This is one of the reasons as to why I don't like YMS, he sucks the joy out of watching movies which are supposed to be enjoyable and fun.
He even made me not excited about Elemental, a movie which I really enjoyed and was kinda looking forward to despite the trailer. He made nitpicky points to the point where even I got negative and wanted him to tear the trailer apart.
Also Adam, your damn lucky that you got over 1 million subscribers and are getting the chance to make videos on your opinions on movies and people watch them. Hundreds people don't have the chance you have, and want but can't.
Yms takes the fun out of movies but not efap?
You’re allowed to like things that internet influencers don’t like
@@WL1264 "Yms takes the fun out of movies but not efap?" EFAP is less irritating, yes
@@griffinoleary1694 u sure about that?
Efap thinks endgame is worse than the lion king remake
@@WL1264 I don't like either movies
I like YMS, but I always find his opinions on some movies to be… Questionable? But mostly disagreeable.
05:50 hes talking about the film as a whole, not one individual character. The reason hes obsessed with scar is if made him a furry, thats why he said his life would be bery different cause he probably wouldn't be one if not for the lion king. I feel you guys are misunderstanding yms's views here
Damit Adum
Why do 40 year old men care about ur Disney movies this goddamn much,
Because they're passionate about an interest and art form.
YMS clout chasing lately.
Most high profile interview he ever had was Kenny fucking Hotz 🤣 and Drinker's interviewing Russell Crowe.
Kenny Hotz is god though. So pretty good.@@spenser9908
Wrong. Adum interviewed Charlie Kaufman and Duke Johnson.
@@timmcdonald9873 Lol who?
@@spenser9908@spenser9908 oh excuse me, I thought you said known sex offender Russell Brand
I don't get why people on the internet are so obsessed with not caring about things.
I guess because it makes them feel more objective.
Putting a quote on a thumb nail that he didn’t say in the context you’re saying it is pathetic of you
He rambles a lot but says fuck all
Honestly, I appreciated YMS' breakdown of the 2019 Lion King for it being so thorough. Really, you could apply that thoroughness to any of the hollow Disney remakes. And even if YMS' overall sensibilities and tastes were different from my own, I would still respect him for his approach to media. But seeing his smugness and elitism with film shine through in going after Drinker without doing his due diligence, I can barely even stand his appearances on EFAP now. Just because it comes off as, again, massively smug. Lately, EFAP is going through the Saw movies. And even with all of them ripping into that series, it's annoying now to hear YMS chime in. That's just my opinion, of course.
I don't think he knows how he comes off to other people. He seems to lack self awareness in that area. Because he can't understand why people think he can come off elitist and bad faith. Which to be is baffling.
YMS video about TCD feels more like a hit piece about him spawned out of jealousy…
How? He makes completely valid criticisms
YMS is a joke. Haven’t been able to stand the guy since around the time he finally reviewed season one of Walking Dead. He just stopped being interesting and became the most boring, predictable, artsy dork I’ve ever listened to, in the past.
People need to be aware of their double standards (especially Americans)... And should be willing to be treated the way they treat people and to treat people the way they themselves want to be treated...
“Especially Americans” lol
Just funny when we’re here over a Canadian up his own ass.
Aww your poor wittle characters are getting ruined
Aww
What a lucid, intelligent, well thought out comment. Your parents must be so proud.
@@sandmancinema6859cool story bro
this is why women won't talk to you
@@kieranhurst8543 Well aren't you just a little a ray of sunshine. You have a great day stranger.
@@sandmancinema6859cool story bro
This is why you are still a virgin
hes right lol i hate the guy usually but hes absolutely right here
Nah...if you don't care about characters why talk about them? He's trash.
not sure if he addressed this but he was definitely self aware of this contradiction when he criticized the starfield pronouns guy
90% of the backlash against HeelVsBabyFace’s rant was complete bullshit, including Adam’s. Glad to see someone else bring this up for once.
dunno who are all these people
logan is sub meidocre
YMS is a consoomer.
Anybody who interpreted this as “The things I like are important but the things everyone else likes are stupid” isn’t really listening to what Adam said. He is simply making the argument that he doesn’t feel so attached to certain characters (Scar from The Lion King for example) that he automatically views any interpretation of that character a certain way based on pre-existing emotional connections. He’s open to different interpretations of characters and cares more about the quality of the media overall than every detail of a beloved character being exactly the same down to the length of hair in their assholes. Keep in mind that Adam is not saying that you are not aloud to care about your favorite fictional character or want to see them portrayed in a certain way. Adam encourages people to have their own experiences with art and constantly preaches that his own perspective should not detract from anyone’s own subjective experience with art. Adam is likely so passionate about this topic because, as a film reviewer on the internet, he sees a lot of people discredit what he’s saying because of some sort of irrational attachment to the property he’s discussing, and it’s important not to take any of these broader criticisms towards fan culture in general as a personal slight towards you. He is in no way saying he doesn’t have emotional attachments to certain characters in films he likes, he’s just saying character accuracy doesn’t inherently make a film good or bad, and only good writing can make something fundamentally good.
You tried.
When they were trying to explain to him how people can get emotional attachments to characters, he kept arguing like he doesn't understand why they'd do that, therefore implying there's an issue. Meanwhile, he HIMSELF literally has an emotional attachment to Scar, yet for some reason somehow forgot that?
Looking back on this, YMS should have should have made his points clearer and have been way less obtuse. He probably should not make unsabstaniated claims live. However, Mauler and Co. Seemed to be so defensive of the Drinker to the point they applied standards to YMS that they would not apply to anyone else under most circumstances. Like they seem preplexed that Adam would talk badly about the content of a creator his is not a big fan of when that is like almost a half of EFAP's content. The chats for everyone were also obnoxious, just bringing up character defamation of the party they didn't like without making any real points.
Definitely agree with you on the first point. But
I think the reason is because Adam was the aggressor. He made that livestream. Where he was being bad faith and politically biased. And you say not a fan of. But really he just wasn't that familiar with him. Not only not knowing basic things about him. That he had a second channel or that he did a livestream with Mauler. And I wonder how much actual content he's actually seen. And chat is going to chat.
@@sandmancinema6859 1. Yeah I doubt anyone knows his exact political positions. He seems to have made positive comments towards conservative figures (like he did Tucker Carlson) but that's not a specific position. I would say as someone who has seen quite a bit of CD's content, even a lot of early stuff, he does from time to time make comments that seem to venture into appealing to a conservative audience. Not an inherently bad thing, but it does seem like Mauler and Co. Are a little in denial of it.
2. Yeah I know that chats are going to have some people be needlessly toxic, but I saw like 10 comments get decent likes that essentially were just saying Adum was bad because he was gay and a fury. And those weren't even the worst. Not to mention how that seemed to pop up often in live chat. Like, what do the EFAAP mods moderate? I don't know a single channel that would allow stuff that like to that degree to happen in a live chat. I have to wonder if they would tolerate such comments on someone's race or gender. Not saying EFAAP is intentionally letting it happen. Just seems like it's significantly worse than they give credit for.
3. I also have consistently held this gripe against EFAAP (it's especially bad with Rags). When people dislike a movie they like or vice versa, they will be more than happy to poke fun at them for it even if they offer good reasons. Not a bad thing by itself. But, on occasion, they seem to not apply the same good faith when they talk to people who announce they like something they all don't like or the reverse. Like they all acted completely confounded when Adam didn't watch past the first two episodes of Arcane when the first two episodes are by far the most commonly criticized as being the worst. If something can't get someone interested in around an hour of content then it's outrageous to act that is not giving it a fair chance. They often make fun of other people for pulling the "wait it gets good at season 69 nerd 🤓) thing but don't seem to apply to when someone applies their same logic to something they like.
@@VagabondRetro Does CD appeal to the conservative audience? Yes because he’s anti woke. Which to me is the right position. Because wokeness has done a number on Hollywood and comics. Do you deny this? Because based on that CD has the right to call it out.
I don’t know how all that works. Or what their policy is. They might be for total free speech other then what would have there stream taken down.
I think they thought Adam was being bad faith and made bad arguments against CDs points. And probably Mauler felt he had to defend his friend. And thought that Adam went out of his way to criticize and like you pointed out. In a less than optimum way. Not to mention he could have asked Mauler questions about CD. Or set up a talk with CD to ask him questions. Rather than the stream that he had to know would bring him heat.
I know you’re using hyperbole but comparing an hour to 69 seasons is ridiculous. And I don’t think the episodes were bad or boring. Hell its better then most the stuff that comes out today.
@@lithosagymfanThe Woke movement is nothing more than pandering to the audience, and the themes they use are beaten over the head rather than something that's subtle. If they actually cared about the stuff you mentioned, they wouldn't have made John Boyega smaller in the Chinese Force Awakens poster or cut out gay couples kissing. Let's not forget how these movies actively antagonize a specific demographic that is more often than not the ones who have supported the company for a long time.
What’s the brain dead argument?
Atleast you left the clip where he says Lion King is like a big part of his CAREER.
@@briansupermega5692 He first tries to argue that ruining old characters is just do to incompetence. But when that doesn't work he tries to sound above it or more mature. Basically saying that if he doesn't feel the way you do. Your argument is invalid.
And I didn't leave it in, I put it in. The point of the video is that he is trying to sound above emotionally being attached to characters. Or not caring if characters are ruined. But that seems very strange considering he loves Lion King and Scar. And made a two hour video essay critiquing the remake that he put his blood, sweat and tears into. But yet characters don't matter to him?
@@sandmancinema6859oh so when YMS does it it’s a sin, but when Mauler or Rags or anyone else on EFAP does it they are right. This is hypocritical, they do this exact same shit, look at when they looked at Nerrels video on the last Jedi, or any 12+ hour video, they are on such a high horse that they have no self awareness, they are extremely egotistical to the point of narcissism, and even worse, their fans just don’t realize this type of pseudo intellectual attitude is absolutely pathetic.
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ bruh i dont remember EFAP contradicting themselves on what matters to them in a movie
you give one example of a retarded TLJ defence video and then proceed to throw insults at people, thats really not much of an argument
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ Since when has anyone on EFAP ever claimed to _not_ care about characters being ruined in the same way YMS did? That was the crux of the comment you responded to, so unless you’re just randomly alluding to something completely different, could you please direct us to when EFAP has proposed and defended that particular argument in the past?
Logan absolutely is portrayed as pathetic and worn out. What is Mauler talking about? Lol
So the writer and director didn't respect the character? Also no one uses lol anymore. At least not unironically.
Lol
@@lithosagymfan"They put their interpretation of said characters, that's it."
They fundamentally misunderstand these characters and you can't just put your own interpretation on them without considering who they were in the franchise's previous entries, especially when the change is so drastic and regressed from what they used to be. Also being a Star Wars fanboy doesn't make you infallible. For instance, Dave Filoni forgot that Shmi had already met Padme in Episode 1.
@@sandmancinema6859lol
It fits for Logan since we saw his journey over 17 years so it’s understandable he would end of like that. Not like a character like Luke Skywalker or Indiana Jones where we do not know anything that happened between the last movie they were in and the latest movie that it makes them being old and pathetic feel disjointed
what is wrong with being a snob, I'm sorry you guys consider Star Wars high art and aren't ok with just not watching the new movies
Turns out Mooler isn’t an easy fella to have a convo with. Who knew?
Ah yes, ignore the straw-manning elephant in the room, it's mooler we need to worry about people!
@@griffinoleary1694 Mooler’s questions were stupid. There’s no real room to doubt that.
@@ParkerStanfieldFilm how were they "stupid"?
Mauler is really annoying. I'm not just saying this because I like YMS, but just my personal opinion and his recent takes have been worse than before
Aka because you don’t like him. lol
the difference that you don't understand is that franchises don't mean anything to yms the way they do to you, if he likes a character in one movie he is not begging for sequels. Its a completely different way of watching movies that consumers like efap and critical drinker don't understand
Not a fan of this interview all around.
It was readily apparent within 10min that Mauler and crew weren’t going to say anything negative about TCD, and they poisoned the well themselves by insisting on making such a big deal about an off the cuff comment in YMS’s stream.
Meanwhile, YMS was having a hard time articulating what he his points even were.
Overall bad interview. I hope they’re all still friendly though.
It was more a breakdown. And honestly I think YMS shouldn't have done the original livestream if he was going to criticize Drinker. He should have scripted a video so he could clearly and succinct get his points across. Instead he made statements, though he might not have intended. Came off looking pretty bad faith.
@@sandmancinema6859 I agree on making an edited video, 100%.
On the contrary I don't think there was any bias at all, they asked well reasoned questions, pointing holes in his arguments, which is what Mauler and co do all the time. I think it was handled well enough and if YMS didn't want to do it he didn't have to, or if he felt attacked he could have left.
I agree with Adam that being so emotionally invested in movie characters, especially from Star Wars and cape shit, that you’re enraged when they’re shown badly in a film is really dumb and probably not something people over the age of sixteen should be doing, but he’s coming at this from the completely wrong angle: these people complain about these thing incessantly, cus it makes them MONEY!
He’s making an intelligent debate with people who probably stalk Disney’s Twitter, fan expos, and drool themselves over D23 because that’s what puts bread on the table: bitching about EVERYTHING they put out. They gotta review every episode of Ahsoka and say “ugh, it’s not as good as Return of the Jedi from thirty-nine years ago, mah mah mah!” and he’s in here acting like he’s on the couch with Siskel and Ebert back from the grave. I bet my ass half these people have never even seen Indie or Star Wars and couldn’t tell you Jack shit about them if you asked. Whatever keeps him from actually working on his videos, I suppose.
So you agree even though Adam who is dedicated his life to reviewing and analyzing movies. Who says that then is so enraged by the new Lion King remake. He spends hundreds of hours on a video that is just part 1. One could argue that is an extreme reaction to a kids movie.
And you say people are complaining because they make money??? In 2023? I think you’re a bit out of the loop. Since 2019 all but a handful of superhero films have bombed or barely made their money back. In which prior to 2019 they all made money.
Disney who has bought up most of the biggest, popular and most beloved franchises. All but a few have bombed or barely made their money back. Mainstream Hollywood is struggling. Because there movies are terrible because they’re woke and don’t respect the characters.
And it’s laughable to say that Mauler doesn’t know about Indy or Star Wars. When Mauler has made more Star Wars breakdown videos then most people on YT. Who hates modern Star Wars because everything they put out is terrible, except Andor. Which makes it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about. I guess you only watch YMS content.
And if anyone doesn’t know anything about what it is talking about it is Adam when it comes to blockbuster films. He thinks Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade are mid. Thought Arcane was boring and John Wick 4 was the best John Wick. Thought Multiverse of Madness was a 6/10.
I don’t see the problem with what YMS said but also I don’t care about the nerd shit they care about. Luffy is of my favorite characters but if the made him a marine who loved authority and the state I’d eventually get over it. Y’all still mad about the last Jedi.
Dude, please, stop making us one piece fans look bad 😔. Its already hard enough.
For real...
@@HelpMePls320 how
The problem is that Adum cannot see the other side, Adum made a 2-hour video about how 2019 Lion King ruined it's characters, but thinks other reviewers are in the wrong when it happens to the characters they like, then tells them to start seeing movies at a film festival like Sundance where only people who can afford it go, while all the "simpletons" watch the garbage at AMC.
@@griffinoleary1694the Lion King review was about much, much more than a handful of complaints he had about how they changed the character writing. The entire premise of the review was that the new Lion King failed for him at nearly every level of the production: the cinematography, the color grading, the voice acting, the music, the pacing, the cinematic language. The character changes were just one minor element he likely wouldn't have minded all that much if it weren't for everyone else about the production. This argument is total nonsense.