During the video, I referred to the Keres line in the Latvian gambit, and at one point I was confused in thinking that Paul Keres was playing the white side. Actually Paul played the black side, as you can see in the sample game.
+Jim's Chess Channel Actually, while Keres used to employ the Latvian sometimes, he *did* play White in your sample game according to my books. The line at 19:53 is not 0.0, it is dead cold if White plays correctly. The Keres move is Nd2 after what you gave. (Personally, I prefer Svendenborg´s 4...d5) After 3.exf5 Nf6 this transposes into the Löwenthal line which is usually entered with 3.Nxe5 Nf6 4.exf5 which is a pretty decent line (Stefan Bücker delved into it). I would claim that 4.exf5 is much superior to 4.Nc3 here.
That Bishop c4 move, there's a sharp line with another gambit called the strautins variation. Almost the same as that Keres game but with Bishop c4 black plays b5. And if white captures the pawn with Bxb5 then you've fxe4 Nxe5 and then the Queen comes out to g5...sharp line indeed!
Good question! That avoids mate and defends the bishop. White should still play Qxf7+, followed by Qf8+ and Bxg8 to get a piece back, and with black's exposed king, white has a winning position.
1. e4 e5 2. Sf3 d5 3. Sxe5 Ld6 4. d4 dxe4 5. Lc4 Lxe5 6. Dh5 Dxd4 7. Dxf7+ Kd8 8. Df8+ Kd7 9. Lxg8 Sc6 what would you draw now?what do you think of the move knight c3? than bishop c3 and than castling to bring the rook on d1? @@JimsChessChannel
@@fritzmaier6988 I didn't see your question, it got flagged as spam somehow. Anyway, you are asking about the position after these moves: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d5 3. Nxe5 Bd6 4. d4 dxe4 5. Bc4 Bxe5 6. Qh5 Qxd4 7. Qxf7+ Kd8 8. Qf8+ Kd7 9. Bxg8 Nc6 Your idea of Nc3, Be3 and castle queen side seems like a good plan. The chess engine would first throw in the move Qf7+, and then play Nc3. Black can try and stop your plan by playing Bg5, and by keeping the queen on the d file, so you have to be flexible. But white should still win.
At 6:40, the most annoying fact is that this line gives White the two Bishops w.o. compensation. But so far, nobody has played Qh5 here against me. :-) But I still think that 3.exd5 is the most testing continuation.
I love the Latvian gambit or Greco-countergambit. It's at least a great surprise-weapon to use and to overwhelm many opponents with. The Elephant gambit seems a bit too dangerous for black. Thank you for touching on these lesser played openings.
Koen Palstermans Even the Elephant gambit is not to be treated lightly. FIDE Master Philip Corbin likes to play this with the move 3 ... Bd6, which is the Elephant gambit proper. Here is a game where he defeats an IM using this gambit, played at the 2004 Olympiad: www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1312572
Yeah, the elephant gambit is complete crap if you know what to do against it. It's either no compensation for the pawn or white gives back the pawn and retains a crushing positional advantage. As Yasser Seirawan once said, if the gambit worked, the move 1 e4 would simply be unplayable for white. At 8:16 the best move isn't Nfd2 btw, it's Nbd2. Both masters and engines agree. It makes more sense, since it's developing a piece instead of moving the same piece twice. If black tries to pin you also have the move c3, and white can even castle queenside in some lines. Using an opening database and an engine, you should figure out the refutation (or the multiple refutations) in less than 10 minutes. The funny thing is most of the lines where white gets a good advantage don't need anything special, just natural healthy moves. (For example, develop a new piece instead of moving the same piece twice for the same purpose, as I pointed out above)... so I don't know what people who play this are really aiming for. It's not like the king's gambit, where it's objectively better for black but the resulting positions are so complicated that a human can easily make a mistake. I looked at some games in my database, and the only (and very few) games black won using the elephant gambit are games where white started playing fancy moves. Anyway, great videos Jim! I'm enjoying the whole playlist on opening basics.
You are right about Nbd2, thanks for pointing this out! Nfd2 is also good, however. Using StockFish 8, at depth 26, the engine evaluates Nbd2 as +0.7 and Nfd2 as +0.6, and those are the two top choices for white.
Jim's Chess Channel Yes, many moves are good against terrible openings. I think Nbd2 has less drawbacks and follows more chess principles. From the games I've seen where Nfd2 was played, it follows a greedier idea where you always stick to the e pawn and you try to protect it with the f pawn. I think it's a bit harder (less natural) to play for white. , I'm currently watching the whole playlist on openings, it's pretty good to remember old ideas and even learn new things.
During the video, I referred to the Keres line in the Latvian gambit, and at one point I was confused in thinking that Paul Keres was playing the white side. Actually Paul played the black side, as you can see in the sample game.
+Jim's Chess Channel Actually, while Keres used to employ the Latvian sometimes, he *did* play White in your sample game according to my books. The line at 19:53 is not 0.0, it is dead cold if White plays correctly. The Keres move is Nd2 after what you gave. (Personally, I prefer Svendenborg´s 4...d5)
After 3.exf5 Nf6 this transposes into the Löwenthal line which is usually entered with 3.Nxe5 Nf6 4.exf5 which is a pretty decent line (Stefan Bücker delved into it). I would claim that 4.exf5 is much superior to 4.Nc3 here.
That Bishop c4 move, there's a sharp line with another gambit called the strautins variation. Almost the same as that Keres game but with Bishop c4 black plays b5. And if white captures the pawn with Bxb5 then you've fxe4 Nxe5 and then the Queen comes out to g5...sharp line indeed!
really nice snapshot of the variations Jim, Thanks so much...keep them coming
Latvian starts at 10:40. Great analysis, Jim, thank you!
what if black taks Qxd4? at 5:40
Good question! That avoids mate and defends the bishop. White should still play Qxf7+, followed by Qf8+ and Bxg8 to get a piece back, and with black's exposed king, white has a winning position.
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e4
e5
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Sf3
d5
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Sxe5
Ld6
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d4
dxe4
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Lc4
Lxe5
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Dh5
Dxd4
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Dxf7+
Kd8
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Df8+
Kd7
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Lxg8
Sc6
what would you draw now?what do you think of the move
knight c3? than bishop c3 and than castling to bring the rook on d1? @@JimsChessChannel
@@fritzmaier6988
I didn't see your question, it got flagged as spam somehow. Anyway, you are asking about the position after these moves:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d5 3. Nxe5 Bd6 4. d4 dxe4 5. Bc4 Bxe5 6. Qh5 Qxd4 7. Qxf7+ Kd8 8. Qf8+ Kd7 9. Bxg8 Nc6
Your idea of Nc3, Be3 and castle queen side seems like a good plan. The chess engine would first throw in the move Qf7+, and then play Nc3. Black can try and stop your plan by playing Bg5, and by keeping the queen on the d file, so you have to be flexible. But white should still win.
Latvian gambit discussion starts around 10:30
Jun Kasan thank you!
At 6:40, the most annoying fact is that this line gives White the two Bishops w.o. compensation. But so far, nobody has played Qh5 here against me. :-) But I still think that 3.exd5 is the most testing continuation.
Hey Jim, your chess theory way out date. do you want look putting Q.f7.?
I love the Latvian gambit or Greco-countergambit. It's at least a great surprise-weapon to use and to overwhelm many opponents with. The Elephant gambit seems a bit too dangerous for black. Thank you for touching on these lesser played openings.
Koen Palstermans Even the Elephant gambit is not to be treated lightly. FIDE Master Philip Corbin likes to play this with the move 3 ... Bd6, which is the Elephant gambit proper. Here is a game where he defeats an IM using this gambit, played at the 2004 Olympiad: www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1312572
+Jim's Chess Channel Corbin has also defeated Nigel Short with the Elephant gambit in a simultaneous exhibition.
Yeah, the elephant gambit is complete crap if you know what to do against it. It's either no compensation for the pawn or white gives back the pawn and retains a crushing positional advantage. As Yasser Seirawan once said, if the gambit worked, the move 1 e4 would simply be unplayable for white. At 8:16 the best move isn't Nfd2 btw, it's Nbd2. Both masters and engines agree. It makes more sense, since it's developing a piece instead of moving the same piece twice. If black tries to pin you also have the move c3, and white can even castle queenside in some lines. Using an opening database and an engine, you should figure out the refutation (or the multiple refutations) in less than 10 minutes. The funny thing is most of the lines where white gets a good advantage don't need anything special, just natural healthy moves. (For example, develop a new piece instead of moving the same piece twice for the same purpose, as I pointed out above)... so I don't know what people who play this are really aiming for. It's not like the king's gambit, where it's objectively better for black but the resulting positions are so complicated that a human can easily make a mistake. I looked at some games in my database, and the only (and very few) games black won using the elephant gambit are games where white started playing fancy moves. Anyway, great videos Jim! I'm enjoying the whole playlist on opening basics.
You are right about Nbd2, thanks for pointing this out! Nfd2 is also good, however. Using StockFish 8, at depth 26, the engine evaluates Nbd2 as +0.7 and Nfd2 as +0.6, and those are the two top choices for white.
Jim's Chess Channel Yes, many moves are good against terrible openings. I think Nbd2 has less drawbacks and follows more chess principles. From the games I've seen where Nfd2 was played, it follows a greedier idea where you always stick to the e pawn and you try to protect it with the f pawn. I think it's a bit harder (less natural) to play for white. , I'm currently watching the whole playlist on openings, it's pretty good to remember old ideas and even learn new things.
Nice to see the Latvian ;)