Yes. It came about due to others in the BVC alerting senior officers as to what was happening. I don't have any sympathy for people that go around executing unarmed prisoners and non combatants.
Wat jy moet verstaan is dat in n krieg, gaan daar wrede mense wees. Die probleem met hierdie saak is dat die Brit n klomp mense vermoor het, en al die skuld op n Australieaner geplaas het. Kitchener het daarmee weggekom, en Morant was net die een wat die dirty work gedoen het. Hy was gestraf, maar Kitchener was die een met die eintlike skuld.
The British invented concentration camps (in South Africa). The Germans perfected them. Territory is acquired in one of only two ways: Cession or conquest. The British Empire didn't become the size it did by asking nicely. History is littered with the overzealous, (soldiers) taking their "orders" to another level of depravity, even deriving pleasure from it. These guys should be charging the British monarchy for Genocide of Australian Aboriginals on a scale South Africa never saw, even at its worst.
Context and facts are, as always, important in considering such a case. We’ve mixed in national pride in the 60 minutes piece which is emotional in itself. If you want to make a statement and have an opinion then back it up with facts. Read the first hand accounts of the atrocities these men were responsible for. No order, however empowering it might feel, could make a half decent person act the way Morant did. At least Kitchener met his fate a sea as cold as his heart.
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
Do you think that the South Australian Government don't cover things up for more recent government persecutions of Australian soldiers. Politicians will always be scumbags and should always be shunned!
Daar's mos baie Saffers in Aus. Kan ons nie dalk 'n boerseun of twee kry wat die twee op hulle seep boksies wil debateer nie? Al braai julle net 'n vleisie? Ons stuur vir julle DeLa Rey hempies.
BIG B-S!! Morant was a murderer! Example: On 7 September 1901, murdered a father and his two son's when they tried to surrendered, the youngest 12 years old and being sick.
Kitchener's orders were "take no prisoners". So when the so called atrocities were about to come to light; he (Kitchener) decided to save his own neck, by trying to get rid of the evidence.
Read Peter FitzSimons's book on this matter. There was no rule 303. They (Morant and co) were NOT innocent. They however indeed, killed the innocent, one of them a sick 12 yo boy. Besides Morant was not Australian, he was an English man who happened into an Australian outfit. The real heroes of the story are the 11 Australian and lone Kiwi (1) who reported the murder of these poor people. GET THE FACTS PEOPLE and believe me when I say they are awful.
If gold had not been discovered on the reef Britain would probably not have bothered about the republics of Transvaal and Free State I will be forever a stain on the commonwealth
Aren’t all legal cases dirty and corrupt? As the institution relies on you giving authority to the courts, to judge yourself. Sounds fully corrupt after all that’s why the word solicit is part of solicitor as they solicit your signature.
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Like so many incidents/wars in colonial times it was about wealth and British/European interests in becoming wealthy by plundering the resources of less developed nations. However, we were there and I firmly believe that these 3 men were scapegoated for the Empire. As for the Afrikaners who feel so strongly about the murder of their ancestors, I wonder how the indigenous African population feels about the treatment of their ancestors by the Boers. Rob Ferguson T
The "Boers" were directly responsible for the survival of the Ndebele people who were on the brink of being exterminated by Shaka and his armies. Conservative numbers put the number at 13 000 blacks who died in British concentration camps. So I guess that makes their homicidal incompetence unbiased. Killing woman and children wasn't an exclusively English endeavor, the Zulus, Xhosa, Venda, etc killed a lot of Boers in our history, so you should understand the history before making broad accusations. Now I don't for one second doubt that Kitchener gave that order, because he was a psychopathic bastard, but the Aussie didn't have the strength of character to resist that order, and that makes him as guilty as hell.
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
I'm ambivalent about this. What about the native Africans (Zulus, ect.) that were killed/forced into slavery for the land, gold and diamonds in South Africa? And we can't forget Apartheid. I'm not sure any British, Australian, or 'Boers' hands are clean. With that, based on some of my experience and my sisters' experiences working with people from Great Britian, I'm leaning towards the scapegoat theory.
❤doesn't take away the fact he was a bigamist. Daisy Bates his first wife was also a bigamist and possibly a murderer of Mr Bates who died under mysterious circumstances on his huge sheep farm, which she then sold and spent the rest of her time in Australia being a part of the railway being built on the Nullabour while writing about aboriginals for the British paper the Telegraph telling that aboriginals were canabals. History isn't black or white it's ALOT of grey.
The Brits rallied the Zulus against the Boers to get their help. And the naive Zulus believed everything. This was the reason for racial hate in South Africa. Shaka Zulu was killed by his own brother Dingaan. Do you think the Zulu's hands are clean?
No blacks were ever slaves or enslaved in South Africa and unlike Australia in South Africa no whites were ever rewarded for shooting Blacks. The Australians rewarded "hunters" for shooting Aborigines and yet today want to point fingers at South Africa. Serious hypocrites!
No Zulu was ever enslaved. In fact the Zulu were, and still are, notorious slavers. Your knowledge of South African history is most definitely not your strong suit. Best you stick to whatever else it is you get up to?
@fyrdman2185 That all should change, but what you don't understand over That australian taxpayers pay Gets launded back to England. Such as the justice system. Hence why its called the crown. England have lost their way. And I don't believe Australia should follow them down their path.
@@anthonyfowler1789 Australian tax payers money does not get laundered back to Britain, what are you on about? Australia is the one who has lost their way seeing as how the government created literal concentration camps during the whole pandemic and locked its citizens indoors
I think they should have been tried under Australian law by Australians. It happened after federation and therefore it is an Australian issue not a Pommy issue. As for the argument of doing things under order. He would have been shot for refusing orders anyway. He did what he did under orders, he could have survived, if he refused he would have been shot anyway. The guilty party here is the poms not Morant
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
The video is misleading. Scapegoat or not they committed other atrocities which were witnessed. Why are the Aussie asses not asking forgiveness of the South Africans (Black and white) who were brutalised by Morants troop and the British army ?
That opening paragraph of script about Australians doing anything to seek justice and right wrongs looks and sounds ridiculous with the appalling Luna Park murders still unsolved.
There were eye witnesses to the atrocity. They were not innocent
So these Ozzies choose to come and fight against South Africa, in South Africa, for a foreign power that wanted the gold and diamonds.
Yes. It came about due to others in the BVC alerting senior officers as to what was happening. I don't have any sympathy for people that go around executing unarmed prisoners and non combatants.
What about all the Boer woman and children who died in the british concentration camps ?!
40 000 boer woman and children died
He wasn't even an Aussie he was a Pom. Never trust a Pom lest he be a Ken Flowers type.
@@ExRhodesian You are a descendant of Poms yourself.
@@fyrdman2185 My ancestors were not pommy weaklings I am from Boer stock.
@@ExRhodesian lol weaklings that conquered the world and your people too and created the best countries in the world from America to Australia.
What about all the Boer woman and children who died in the british concentration camps???
Wat jy moet verstaan is dat in n krieg, gaan daar wrede mense wees. Die probleem met hierdie saak is dat die Brit n klomp mense vermoor het, en al die skuld op n Australieaner geplaas het. Kitchener het daarmee weggekom, en Morant was net die een wat die dirty work gedoen het. Hy was gestraf, maar Kitchener was die een met die eintlike skuld.
No excuse saying "juat following orders" just look at the Nazis in the camps
The British invented concentration camps (in South Africa). The Germans perfected them. Territory is acquired in one of only two ways: Cession or conquest. The British Empire didn't become the size it did by asking nicely. History is littered with the overzealous, (soldiers) taking their "orders" to another level of depravity, even deriving pleasure from it. These guys should be charging the British monarchy for Genocide of Australian Aboriginals on a scale South Africa never saw, even at its worst.
Millions of Irish died in potato famine.
Seems as if whites doing it to other whites or blacks to other blacks as in Biafra it doesn’t count.
Context and facts are, as always, important in considering such a case. We’ve mixed in national pride in the 60 minutes piece which is emotional in itself. If you want to make a statement and have an opinion then back it up with facts. Read the first hand accounts of the atrocities these men were responsible for. No order, however empowering it might feel, could make a half decent person act the way Morant did.
At least Kitchener met his fate a sea as cold as his heart.
Kitchener was an absolute psychopath and if the soldiers had refused his orders he would have had them executed too
Why was he there? stay TFO of other countries
‘“The worst thing about dying…no more girls.” Ain’t that the truth!
This crap again. They were as guilty as sin...can we move on?
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
Never cause Australia likes to entertain race diversity 😂
Some people like to believe Australian's were screwed over by the Brits.
Do you think that the South Australian Government don't cover things up for more recent government persecutions of Australian soldiers. Politicians will always be scumbags and should always be shunned!
Daar's mos baie Saffers in Aus. Kan ons nie dalk 'n boerseun of twee kry wat die twee op hulle seep boksies wil debateer nie? Al braai julle net 'n vleisie? Ons stuur vir julle DeLa Rey hempies.
General Dela Rey
Hulle wil eerder met hulle seepboksies gemoer word. Wat n klomp strond
BIG B-S!! Morant was a murderer! Example: On 7 September 1901, murdered a father and his two son's when they tried to surrendered, the youngest 12 years old and being sick.
Fritz Joubert , A boer later killed Lord Kitzinger .
I wonder what happened to Milner
What a ridiculous cause.
It would take a hundreds years, if ever. To make all things wrong... right? We simply can't. Sadly...
Kitchener's orders were "take no prisoners". So when the so called atrocities were about to come to light; he (Kitchener) decided to save his own neck, by trying to get rid of the evidence.
@@teamchoko001bullshit! Kitchener never had a deathbed let alone a confession. He died when the ship he was on in WW1 was sunk by a mine. He drowned.
Read Peter FitzSimons's book on this matter. There was no rule 303. They (Morant and co) were NOT innocent. They however indeed, killed the innocent, one of them a sick 12 yo boy. Besides Morant was not Australian, he was an English man who happened into an Australian outfit. The real heroes of the story are the 11 Australian and lone Kiwi (1) who reported the murder of these poor people. GET THE FACTS PEOPLE and believe me when I say they are awful.
If you read FitzSimon's books and believe what he (and his army of researchers) writes, you're a bigger clown than he is.
If gold had not been discovered on the reef Britain would probably not have bothered about the republics of Transvaal and Free State I will be forever a stain on the commonwealth
Chunts worry about these few men ,what about the 1000's of women and children that died in concentrasion camps .
As usual the Pommy Officers sacrificing Susie soldiers just like they used the Commonwealth Forces as cannon fodder in WWI.
More people from Britain died in WW1 than you convicts did.
Aren’t all legal cases dirty and corrupt? As the institution relies on you giving authority to the courts, to judge yourself. Sounds fully corrupt after all that’s why the word solicit is part of solicitor as they solicit your signature.
If German or Japanese soldiers had treated Australians the way Morant and Hancock treated Boers, would any Australian be clamoring for a pardon?
We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Like so many incidents/wars in colonial times it was about wealth and British/European interests in becoming wealthy by plundering the resources of less developed nations. However, we were there and I firmly believe that these 3 men were scapegoated for the Empire. As for the Afrikaners who feel so strongly about the murder of their ancestors, I wonder how the indigenous African population feels about the treatment of their ancestors by the Boers.
Rob Ferguson
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Dont forget about how the Boers were treated by the "indigenous" people, who were as much the colonizers that the Dutch or British were.
The "Boers" were directly responsible for the survival of the Ndebele people who were on the brink of being exterminated by Shaka and his armies.
Conservative numbers put the number at 13 000 blacks who died in British concentration camps. So I guess that makes their homicidal incompetence unbiased.
Killing woman and children wasn't an exclusively English endeavor, the Zulus, Xhosa, Venda, etc killed a lot of Boers in our history, so you should understand the history before making broad accusations.
Now I don't for one second doubt that Kitchener gave that order, because he was a psychopathic bastard, but the Aussie didn't have the strength of character to resist that order, and that makes him as guilty as hell.
At least our ancestors weren't paid a bounty for aboriginal heads! The fucking pot calling the kettle black again!
Some of the 'indigenous' folks including the Zulus massacred the Boers, nobody's hands are clean when it comes to this kind of stuff.
@@pimpompoom93726 most people forget this
What i can glean from the accounts of what happened, they were guilty as sin, so i don't undestand on what grounds the appeal is based!
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
And what about the genocide of woman and children in the concentration camps 🤬
Get over it
I'm ambivalent about this. What about the native Africans (Zulus, ect.) that were killed/forced into slavery for the land, gold and diamonds in South Africa? And we can't forget Apartheid. I'm not sure any British, Australian, or 'Boers' hands are clean. With that, based on some of my experience and my sisters' experiences working with people from Great Britian, I'm leaning towards the scapegoat theory.
❤doesn't take away the fact he was a bigamist. Daisy Bates his first wife was also a bigamist and possibly a murderer of Mr Bates who died under mysterious circumstances on his huge sheep farm, which she then sold and spent the rest of her time in Australia being a part of the railway being built on the Nullabour while writing about aboriginals for the British paper the Telegraph telling that aboriginals were canabals. History isn't black or white it's ALOT of grey.
There isn't a nation in the world without bloody hands..that's how nations are formed
The Brits rallied the Zulus against the Boers to get their help. And the naive Zulus believed everything. This was the reason for racial hate in South Africa. Shaka Zulu was killed by his own brother Dingaan. Do you think the Zulu's hands are clean?
No blacks were ever slaves or enslaved in South Africa and unlike Australia in South Africa no whites were ever rewarded for shooting Blacks. The Australians rewarded "hunters" for shooting Aborigines and yet today want to point fingers at South Africa. Serious hypocrites!
No Zulu was ever enslaved. In fact the Zulu were, and still are, notorious slavers.
Your knowledge of South African history is most definitely not your strong suit.
Best you stick to whatever else it is you get up to?
Lol are you serious
"but the thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney EOJ
It would not be the first time the British failed us. Time for Australia to be sovereign.
It is already sovereign, wtf are you on about?
@@fyrdman2185 Look at The australian flag , And why does australia always give there money to the crown fucked the crown and the king
@@anthonyfowler1789 Because it's part of the heritage of Australia? I mean it was the wish of Aussies themselves to want it to be part of their flag
@fyrdman2185 That all should change, but what you don't understand over That australian taxpayers pay Gets launded back to England. Such as the justice system. Hence why its called the crown.
England have lost their way. And I don't believe Australia should follow them down their path.
@@anthonyfowler1789 Australian tax payers money does not get laundered back to Britain, what are you on about? Australia is the one who has lost their way seeing as how the government created literal concentration camps during the whole pandemic and locked its citizens indoors
Just like they did to the Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and the McGuire Seven.
And the hateful eight.
Corruption
God sal hierdie Britte oordeel. Dalk gebeur dit reeds met immigrante wat hulle oorspoel
Gallipoli
“Breaker Morant” starring Edward Woodward.
What is the name of the movie??
I think they should have been tried under Australian law by Australians. It happened after federation and therefore it is an Australian issue not a Pommy issue.
As for the argument of doing things under order. He would have been shot for refusing orders anyway. He did what he did under orders, he could have survived, if he refused he would have been shot anyway.
The guilty party here is the poms not Morant
B-S, Breaker was guilty!
Eyewitnesses to the events call BS on this mate. he should have been tried under South African law not British nor Australian.
@@theninjaneersgrabouw512 Agreed!🧐
The appeal is not about whether they were guilty or not. It's about the fact they were denied procedural fairness - the right to an appeal - which every person has, and that their lawyer had one day to prepare their defence. They were executed the next morning to avoid an appeal as it would have been embarrasing to the British Army and Lord Kitchener who would have been called to answer questions.
Shady 😢
😂😂😂😂 ....miles oot! Scotland doesn't cĺaim this 🤡 🏴
Your video is very interesting and informative. Thank you for making a good video.
The video is misleading. Scapegoat or not they committed other atrocities which were witnessed. Why are the Aussie asses not asking forgiveness of the South Africans (Black and white) who were brutalised by Morants troop and the British army ?
As a proud Englishman i believe in justice for the breaker , its been a long time coming .
Imagine thinking I care about this content
Well if you don't like it, feck off.
Imagine if they cared if u cared abt this content.
You must care or why did you watch it and comment???
Thank you for taking the time and effort to tell random people on the internet how little you care for a video you clicked on.
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All true maybe, but it's history, a pardon should be given on the basis of an unfair trial...
Afrikaans don't cry for the land and lives they took from the African Continent. The only victims were the children.
Which lives did I "take from the African Continent" mr smart guy?
That opening paragraph of script about Australians doing anything to seek justice and right wrongs looks and sounds ridiculous with the appalling Luna Park murders still unsolved.