Was he as bad as he sounds? Sabaton - Carolus Rex - REACTION
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Tonight i listened to Sabaton and their song Carolus Rex! I googled what it was (i wanted to make sure it wasnt a dinosaur) and it's the name of the Swedish King Charles who took the throne following the death of his father.
The lyrics in the song paint a picture of a young, ruthless, power mad king with god on his side. But tell me, was he really like that? Did he achieve the things he said he would? was it bravado? LET ME KNOW
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Ruthless is wrong, hardheaded and uncompromising is right. He was not a cruel person. But he was a King raised in a absolutist tradition so you know he really belived he was chosen by god to lead Sweden and that he answered only to god. He was hard as rock, walked in to battle whit his men, he killed several people in battle and was wounded several times. He was dressed as a soldier used no wig, was a strict lutheran. He hunted bears in his early teens whit nets and clubs as the warrior nobility in Sweden sometimes did. Yet he was very smart, good at math and spoke several languages. When he became king a coalition of Denmark-Noway, Poland-lithuiania, Saxony and Russia declared war on him thinking they could crush Sweden like a bug but the King led his men to victories for several years even knocking out denmark-norway and poland-lithuania from the war before reality hit the Swedes at Poltava.
I think Sabaton are making him a sound a bit to harsh in the English version. He was a very complicated man and Swedish historians are still arguing about him. He died as he lived by a bullet shot to the head when he was scouting out a Norwegian fortification, he scouted it out himself since he would not spare himself anything that he would command another to do.
Ehm, no, nobody knows for sure how he died, from the foes or the allies? Listen to Long live the king/konungens likfärd
@@tvaettis0653 We know how he died but not who did it
Michael Brem ik, thats what I said, but why would he do it himself
@@tvaettis0653 in reference to him doing it himself i believe he was talking about him acting as a scout, not killing himself. It was being in the place he was among the men, on the front lines, that resulted in his death. Had he been like others who chose to lead from the rear he wouldn't have been there
He's also the one leader who came closest to successfully invading Russia. Russia at the time would probably have surrendered in quite a short notice if Poltava was won by the Swedes. Roughly 25 000 Caroleans died in battle (200 000 in total, including disease, starvation and exhaustion) and 18 000 of those died at Poltava. So up until that point Sweden had lost 7 000 men in battle and Russia had lost roughly 30 000 men, Poland-Lithuania and Saxony had lost about 17 000, and Denmark had lost roughly 6 000. This adds up to a 7 000 to roughly 45 000 men. That gives us a K/D of 6.43/1. That's pretty impressive considering the invasion of Denmark was over in less than a month, The first battle against Poland-Lithuania was the Siege of Riga in 1700 where roughly 4 000 Swedes counter attacked against 14 000 Poles and won. The Polish general laid dead and the army was in full retreat back to the border. The first battle against Russia was at Narva where 10 000 Swedes won a staggering victory against 40 000 entrenched Russians (1700 had one of the coldest winters in history). The Swedish army had sailed through raging autumn storms before landing in western Livonia. Then Charles personally lead his army of 10 000 men on a 150 mile march towards an enemy 4x his size. Due to the biting cold, the Russian guns refused to fire, and due to the thick fog and the snowstorm, the poorly trained Russian levies were taken completely by surprise. Unlike the Russians, the Swedes were highly trained in melee combat which made the "gå på" tactic very effective. This time, however, almost no shots were fired as the blue and yellow coated demons charged the Russian tranches. The 40 000 Russians were quick to retreat, but when they tried to cross the river, the bridge collapsed, resulting in a total death count of around 1 000 Swedes and 18 000 Russians. Official Russian losses are said to be between 6 000 to 8 000 but then there were several thousand deserters that froze to death, which estimates the losses at 18 000. 79 officers and 10 generals were captured as well.
I’d say he was more like Stannis rather than Joffrey. He was a good leader, especially for a teenager. He was ruthless, but not in a sadistic way.
Not really. Stannis does not believe in religion.
In the books it's obvious he uses the Red Witch for her fear..
"I was making a fool of myself with Proudwing, he said, and he was rightThe Seven have never brought me SO much as a sparrow. It is time tried another hawk, Davos" "
This is a quote about how Stannis doesn't believe as much as he needs the fear and power she posses.
The story he was referring to is that when he was younger he cared for an injured weak bird. It gained him nothing but humiliation in comparison to Roberts Hawk. He know understand that he needs to find himself his Hawk. Which is the Red Women.
This 'king by heaven' is very Joffery or Viserys like. Egotistic, Ruthless and idiotic. Yet believed they had power.
Sorry major Asoiaf fan 😂
@@shortstuff780 Karl XII wasn't anything like Joffery.
He was more like Stannis in regards how he behaved. He stopped getting drunk as a teenager, throne was his by right and took all the risks his soldiers did.
He charged headfirst in the front of his army and did constant scouting rounds with the cavalry.
Though yes, he thought himself divine(which was quite normal for kings during the time).
@@shortstuff780 It is possible though, that Carolus (and many other leaders as well) just used the religious aspect as propaganda to gain loyal followers, and possibly to instill fear in his opponents. At least now, in modern times, I feel it's very unlikely for any competent, clever/ruthless leader to actually believe they were chosen by the gods to their position.
Leave it to the brainwashed to follow, while those at the top dictates where to lead them.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about the game of thrones universe to argue, but if Stannis is willing to use a mythical/religious/supernatural figure for his own ambitions, but without any real attachments to their dogmas, he would actually fit my view of kings like Carolus quite well.
@@jaega4247 he is the last monarch of Europe who died in the battle, of course he is religious fanatic
@@jaega4247 I can tell youre a sad atheist lol
carolus rex sometimes was very brutal. he treated his soldiers and his people always nice and fair, as long as they followed him. on his campaigns he wore soldier's clothings, slept in the same tents as his soldiers and even ate with them around the fireplace.
he fought in some wars and was mostly successful, but he was shot in the head at the siege of friedrikshald.
Also interestingly, cause of death was determined to be some stray grape shot from one of his own cannons.
@professormetal4411 it was confirmed that a Norwegian sharpshooter killed him
You have to do caroleans prayer, the soldiers of his army were called caroleans
There are more songs about him and his army?
@@ThomasJ_Music yes, in fact they have a whole album about him (Carolus rex actually lol)
@@ThomasJ_Music long live the king, caroleans prayer and ruina imperii
@@ThomasJ_Music There is a album about the "great power period" of Swedish history called: Carolus Rex. There are several songs about his exploits there. The period is between 1620s - 1720 when Sweden was a European great power. It starts whit Gustav Adolphs entry in to the 30 years war and covers some of the kings and wars until the end of the era after the great northen war and the death of Karl XII or Carolus Rex as he is known internationally.
@@FBIAGENT725 They also sing about Gustav II Adolf
It's so fun to see how huge of a band Sabaton have become as of late, here in Sweden were i live they have been a huge band in our modern metal scene but it wasn't until a few years ago were they really blew up in the US. Great band, you should do more Power Metal. May i suggest:
Hall of the Mountain King - Savatage
Skål! (Cheers!)
Tack så mycket!
I second your suggestion. Savatage is so good.
Learning history in school: the dumbest shit I already knew Learning history from Sabaton: everything I need to know for history and wars
Carolus Rex is a controversial figure in Swedish history. On one hand he was a commander leading his troops from the front and was experiencing the same hardships as his soldiers. But a wise ruler should have sued for peace. He was also a despot. His will be done.
In the end he was shot in the head during a siege in Fredriksborg in Norway. To this day we do not know if he was killed by the enemy or one of his own.
If you liked this, I think you will love the rest of the album (Carolus Rex), the sound it quite similar, very ”raw” and powerful! Great reaction!
He was ruthless but not disrespectful or sadistic. He believed that his reign was divine but he ate the same food as his soldiers. For Swedes of the time, he was probably a hero, a literal God-King.
I like to think of Carolus Rex as a king that was more a commander than a lord. He hated the wig and did eat the same food as his soldiers, but you could not stand up against him in any debate.
Charles XII, also known as Carolus Rex, became King of Sweden on 5th April 1697 at the age of 15, following the death of his father Charles X1. The Great Northern War broke out in February 1700, as neighbouring countries planned to take back territories that they had lost during the swedish expansion of the 1600s. Sweden was attacked on three fronts: by Peter The Great in Russia, Augustus The Strong in Saxony/Poland and Frederick IV in Denmark. They were all convinced that Sweden, led by an inexperienced teenage King, would be easy prey. However, the young King, by then 18 years of age, quickly lined up several victories. The quiet but determined King had been brought up to rule as an absolute monarch. Many of his closest officials and high ranking officers found him hard to understand but he was loved by his soldiers. When they attacked, he was often in the first rank. Charles XII’s bravery, quick wits and unusually good tactical eye made him an outstanding leader in pitched battle. His exceptional ability to infuse courage into his soldiers was another strong contributing factor in the initial triumphs and his army’s high morale in battle. However, he could also appear harsh and callous. A macho culture predominated in his circles, where showing feelings like grief and pain were out of the question. The Swedish army’s treatment of both the civilian population and prisoners of war in Poland and Russia was sometimes extremely cruel. With the King’s consent, there were merciless reprisals - including the torture of children - and mass executions. taken from www.sabaton.net/discography/carolus-rex/carolus-rex-english-version/
I kinda figured that for this song they did the English version from a different perspective than the Swedish version, just like they did with En Livstid i Krig/A Lifetime of War.
In the link you can see pictures of his skull, and what he looked like.
popularhistoria.se/sveriges-historia/kungar-drottningar/sanningen-om-karl-xii-s-dod
Karl den 12 was a man/boy that used to rouse around in a drunkin stupor as a teen prior being crowned but soon got educated what was a t the stake. NOt only the safety of Sweden and its inhabitants but its stations abroad. He however was well educated in arts of war and mathematics. Even to this day we use both use his "indelningsverk" and tax reforms stillimplemented or kept in various degrees/forms. Greetings from Sweden and dare i say from the one of the last Swedish historians and patriots that doint want u harm for assuming. :)
He was the Swedish boy king when 3 countrys started the great northern war against Sweden. Russia, Denmark and Saxony (Polen). Sweden was a small country and far less soldiers then it's foes.. To compenzise for than the swedish army adapted their battle tactics.. Look up sabatons song about the swedish coroleans tactics, the coroleans prear. The first battle against the russians the swedish army was just 8000 men against the 40.000-50.00 thousend russian army . Sweden won every battle accept the final battle against the russian empire. The Battle of Poltava was a disaster for a number of courses, The Swedish army had followed the Russian army for months but the Russian just avoided to fight and burned all land when retrieving and left nothing to the starving Swedish army.. The 🇸🇪 Coroleans was about 20.000 men but sicknesses and hunger was slowly decimating the strenght of the Swedish army. The Russians was 80.000 strong and dug in with great fortifications. Even with all those disadvantages the 🇸🇪 Coroleans almost won the battle.. When the Swedes used their shock tactics walking thrue the enemies fire with out firing back untill they could see the white in the enemy's eye, about 20-30 yards. Then drawing their cold steel and unleashing on the enemy. The Russian line was starting to break and panicking spread among the Russians. The Swedish Cavalry was the spearhead of the Swedish forces and at that point they could smashed the Russian line to pieces but because they was lost in unknown territory not more than a mile away they missed that chance.. The king had never lost a battle as commander but in poltava the King was shot in his leg the day before the battle and could not lead the soldiers in the front as usual.
Are you thinking of the Polish-Lithauanian commonwealth? Because Saxony is German.
You give a kid that much power that young and he goes out and starts kicking the crap out of major powers out the gate and your going to end up with an ego. Sweden went on a 30year rampage where they were kicking everyone's ass.
You're getting it completely wrong, the surrounding empires saw a boy king and a weakened Sweden as an opportunity to qonquer and devide the land between themselves.
Carolus defended his people and his lands.
@@peter-8483 did he not go full megalomaniac after that tho? Not saying he was a bad ruler or good one I will leave that up to others but he was for sure built this god complex into himself because of things. Him being young when it started I think just added to it.
Hey if you want to hear a little prequel to this song check out sabatons "lion from the north". It covers the rise of the Swedish empire before carolus rex. One of my favorites
I think 40 to 1 is a great song. This song is so also another amazingly done song, they are just great
En livstid i krig, live.
Bismarck, official video.
It's hard to pinpoint a character in GoT that would fit Carolus Rex. Though it would probably be Robb Stark or Stannis Baratheon with a few exceptions
. Absolutely not Joffrey though.
_Charles XII did not drink, he did not spend his time with women, while he executed some very important political reforms and was a skilled politician, this was nonetheless a man who disciplined his mind, body and spirit for a single-minded purpose: War. And in this purpose Carolus displayed unprecedented brilliance. He made the Caroleans (as his army was called) into what was described in his own time as one of the best, if not _*_the_*_ best war machine of Europe._
No, Caroleans was his fathers creation and there tactics was already established before he was king. Not sure what political reforms he made except grinding the Swedish economy into the ground.
He did drink a lot when his cousin Fredrik was in town. He did have a few relapses into drinking but noting that extrema.
When he was in exile in the Ottoman empire after his defeat at Poltava he was scheming and harassing the Sultan into going to war with Russia until he was kicked out and force to return back home.
Coffee was a think in Sweden already but when he returned from the Ottoman empire he introduced it to Sweden on a larger scale. there is some speculation but not confirmed that he also did bring the meatball and cabbage roll to Sweden from his exile.
@@ThomasVanhala Not gonna say anything about the cabbage roll, but the meatball thing is bullshit as we had the very similar frikadeller in Sweden already by the 17th century. You really shouldnt pay much heed to what random Twidiots are writing.
Your description lmao 😂 “I wanted to make sure it wasnt a dinosaur” 🦖🦕
Not many people have spotted that! 😂😂
I think that without context the song can come off sounding a bit harsher than it really is, and I think you should check out the Sabaton History video about the song. It's presented very well and gives a lot of context that Swedes already know that pretty much everyone else misses out on from that not being a part of our standard education.
Magical song . So much to be learned . 👍
The Swedish version is better, the words flow better.
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If you speak Swedish perhaps, but not for the rest of us that make up 70% of the world.
@@megacheeseheadmegacheesehe2889 It flows in another way and my guess is that it was written in Swedish and then translated.
@@megacheeseheadmegacheesehe2889 Yeah man, Sweden is 30% of the world
Extra History did a series on him, called the Great Northern War. Basically, his neighbors thought that as a child king, he would be weak and fold easily, so they attacked Swedish lands. King Charles proved to be a very effective and charismatic military leader, and he often personally led his men into battle. He successfully defended his lands against all invaders and even took enemy lands in retaliation, expanding his Swedish empire.
The ruthless King was killed by a frickin button so😂
I really recommend En Livstid i Krig Live in Gothenburg. It also has english subs :)
Seconded that song.
Literally, "while you were having sex, I was studying warfare."
Sabaton history: Carolus Rex ua-cam.com/video/TtsBlajdsYA/v-deo.html
Yes, they have their own history channel.
My man I HIGHLY Recommend you check more songs from the carolus rex album they have more about Sweden and carolus from his exploits to his death
Try to listen "Attack of the dead men", i think that it is the best song from the last album.
Honestly their newest album is all really solid, I don't feel like there's really any that are better than the rest. Apart from maybe The War To End All Wars, that one does feel a bit filler-ish.
@@professormetal4411 well i don't really like all those fast major songs, because it's all sounds almost the same. Moreover, "devil dogs" is very similar with "smoking snakes". I expected more mid-tempo songs, like some of the older albums. But album is still cool, especially songs like "attack of the dead men", i really liked the experiment's with electronic music in the intro
@@sanctuscriceta8867 That's fair, and I can certainly agree that Attack Of The Dead Men is a great song, and it is very different from what they normally do. Their expirementing turned out nicely, not a lot of bands can say that.
To say its the best song of the album doesn't say that much, since it is the worst album since Metalizer...
@@MrJamesBanana okay, i think it's one of the best songs from all the albums
He never made the kingdom larger, only held the borders.
check out Sabaton - Fields of Verdun
Carolus rex actualyy save his nation
I'm sorry but that picture of him on the horse made me laugh out loud 😂😂
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Thank you!
BTW: They did a hilarious collaboration with Joakim Broden from Sabaton on their latest album.
Hey! I’ve heard Karate by BabyMetal and thought it was great! My toddler loves it too! I will get back to BabyMetal actually because it has been a long time since I heard them last
Dang, should have reacted to the live version.
In case you don't know, the Carolus Rex album was released in two parts.... One English version, and one Swedish version, and the Swedish version is from the viewpoint of the soldier, while the English version is from the observers's perspective. Another song that is of good quality it "et livstid i krig" English "a lifetime of war", but they released a live version of the Swedish version.... open it, enable the caption as it's translated, then just enjoy!
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This is an amazing song,but the Swedish vet hits harder
The drummer is married to floor from nightwish
In Sweden he is spoken about as he was the greates of all time
He was both, he was both the great image of himself and at the same time a great king that won great battles with himself in front. And that it is what life is. If you see yourself as a little mouse, you end up like one. If you see yourself as a greater beeing, you end up like it.
Maybe king Carolus Rex had to great thoughts of himself, but at least he tried. /Micke P
PS. As told before, the swedish version is better and that goes for all the songs on the album. /Micke P
Sabatons got mitt ins from this album may give you a better idea how he was viewed. From his mens eyes atlest
The last and greatest warrior king in scandinavia
Charles the King is the translation
Do the officiell.video in swedish...🇸🇪👍
i think it sort of happened ,but lots of land got returned later diplomaticly for favors basicly since if you dont have the manpower to police it ,no point holding it ...although i doubt he saw himself as warmonger since the spark for the war more or lees was other nations backed by a big one thinking ''hey! young new inexperienced king ,great time to invade!'' ...wich is sort of Ironic considering how i heard historians say that in war ,he was excellent...and thanks to him being able to focuse so on it and lead personly capable ministers could handle things at home ,rather then him getting bored and wasting the state finances to entertain himself..so... they practicly gave him the one thing he not hade ...a foe.... ... to be honest ,its the super nations in ther hysteria to invade afganistan & irak could have used reading up on the history of this king by giving him foes to fight ,they lay the ground for generations of devoted soldiers.
He was a “god king” with a heavy warrior culture due to the period of time. He was one of the greatest generals and kings of the time as well, but that’s just my opinion
Carolus only acted like a tyrant if you pissed him off. But if you stayed loyal to him and didn't question his actions you'd be fine.
If you are going to have the info in Swedish you should at least have his Swedish name (Karl not Charles)
The reason you might hear Nightwish in it is because their drummer is married to Floor Jansen of Nightwish.
Well... Their current drummer is, when this was recorded Daniel Mullback was their drummer. He was replaced with Robban Bäck, who was replaced by Hannes Van Dahl.
@@MrJamesBanana you forgot Snowy Shaw,who came between Robban and Hannes😉
"All over europe my will shall be questioned by none" yest the Swedish crtown was allied with both England, Dutch, and France.... everyone of these either supported Sweden by either trade /blockades or actual support like in navy. So making Swedish king look like a tyrant is kinda daft.
Do youre eureoean history
You’re coming across as a bit abrupt here
Look up Floor Jansen and find out who she's married to.
No he wasnt that bad actually he just wanteds to hunt and and live free on nhis fathers estates....his fathers advisors howererv mades him chose as he aascended the thone
Being Polish-American, I thought nothing would beat 40:1 or Uprising, but this song…THIS song…doesn’t rock…it RULES.
nOT EVERY HISTORY YOU READ ARE CORRECTR
I'll have to disagree with a lot of the comments here. Carolus was unwell, a megalomaniac. But he has something of a cult following in parts of Sweden. Of course it's hard to judge the characters of historical figures by the standards of today, but even for his times, he was seen as a little "off".
A prince turned King being a megalomaniac is probably more the rule than the exception.
We people in sweden should need a Carolus Rex of today. To put everything on the track,becouse now its a disaster. We should close the border first of all...! Just reality and facts people.
Sant som sakt hälsnigar från Finland
Emil👍
Let me phrase it this way if Russian wouldnt rtry to iNVADE scandinavia 309years war wouldnt have become :) no evil Karl XXII trying to save his nation.
He was a real man, could you imagine how he would react to modern pansy men of today? :P
btw were not all kings and monarch "tyrants/dictators" ? Henry the 8th did not seem very gentle :P
When him was ended it also started the end of the swedish warrior nation
4/5 cause the guitar solo was lame.
This song came long before Nightwish.
Wasn’t this song from 2012?
@@ThomasJ_Music yes,but their drummer then,wasn't Hannes,that is probably what he means🤘
If you want to know more about Carolux Rex and that era,check out Sabaton History
@@connydely1460 ah yes the drummer is married to floor, right? I will definitely check it out, thank you!
@@ThomasJ_Music Their current drummer,Hannes Van Dahl is married to Floor. He joined the band in 2013.
After making Carolux Rex,the band split up. Joakim(singer) and Par(bassplayer) went on as Sabaton. They were joined bij Chris Rorland,who is still with the band(dark hair) and Thobbe Englund.
He left in 2016 and that is when Tommy Johansson joined.
Try checking out live videos, from Woodstock 2012 or The Great Tour, they are amazing live.
Long before... what? Nightwish was founded 1996.
why does no one know how to spell carolus rex bruh
I spelled it the same as you? 🤷🏻♂️