Hi. You have restored this as if you bought it yesterday brand new. very impressive and you did a good job. I actually bought one like this today for 75 Dollars lot of bits and the motor. Very rusty and have not been touched for many years. But I'm excited that I'm restoring this old guy. Thank you for sharing and keep up the good work.
Wow, I have a lathe exactly like yours that belonged to my Grandfather. I wished I had the no-how to do to it what you did to yours!! That's amazing brother!! Great job!!
Sweet machine! It's beautiful I'm jelly. when you go to program the VFD there should be ramp up and ramp down functions. Parameters 1-01 & 1-02 respectively if I'm not mistaken. If parameter 1-00 = 0 then ramp up time = 1-01 , and ramp down time = 1-02. you can set them to whatever you want. If you still need/want things to stop faster let 1-19 = 30% and 1-22 = 60 hz. If you then set 1-21 (DC injection during stopping) = 1 that should really help bring things to a stop in a hurry. I don't see anywhere to put a DC bus resistor on this model VFD so I would recommend keeping 1-21 less than 1.5 seconds and even that may be too long in some cases. I hope this helps...I'm only about 7 years too late.
Really well done. I have a Mk 2 version (Atlas 10100) of this lathe with a preinstalled reversing switch. Question....when you run the lathe in reverse, how do you keep the chuck from spinning off the spindle?
Sweet Job! Don't care to much for the color! but it is your taste and no mine! Beautiful work! I plan to make mine a CNC! I need a machine take care of a few repetitive work and I'll be doing the retrofit for mine. Thanks for your video.
Hello! Beautiful job! I have one that my dad left me. What size motor are you running with the vfd? Did you as replace the gears? I can't believe how quiet it is!! HOpe to hear from you. Thank you for the great video!
Well, I just bought a SB 10 heavy, with my buddy, David's, help. He's redoes lathes as a hobby and knows them incredibly well. I couldn't have done it without him. So, we'll see what this machine holds for me. No I have to move the Atlas or the wife is going to put me out of the house.
Just watched this video. Reeeaaaly nice job on the lathe. I have the same one and was wondering if you could tell me where you bought those round belts? I'm using link belts and they rub becuase they sit up much higher and are noisy. Can you help me out?
the VFD has settings for start ramp time (time to ramp up to set speed) plus a choice of coast to stop (same as shutting off a standard motor), a ramp down time, and a braking stop. Be careful of the brake to stop setting as too fast a stop could cause the chuck to unthread off the spindle.
How much does the VFD set up cost? and where would I get one? I would love that..I am so tired of stopping and changing the pulley. I love my 618 and recently put a new quick change toolpost (had to make parts for it to fit lol) and also added a cross slide milling vice...another nightmare of making parts..the manfactuer said just mout it on the tool post..that was to floppy so I removed the compound and made a special plate with a hole bored to fit a the angle boss..this made the mill vice even better for milling bevels. Now the VFD would be awesome
Very cool. Im going to restore a Craftsman 6" pretty soon here. Do you have to ever change belts/gears to get certain speeds or do you just run your speed changes completely off the VFD?
Yeah, you can order a lot from them. Be warned, not everything fits the way it should as I found out mounting the screw and half nut. The belts are from McMasters Carr, $11 I think for both, and I only used one, but the other one is too small diameter-wise. I wasn't sure so just ordered both sizes. The wrench is an Atlas, I just painted it as I want to know it's for the lathe and can find it when the tools stack up during a project.
This is Awesome ! Thinking about the same kind of project. Can you add a little info about the VFD, price , place to buy, ect. Also where did you get the round belts. Thanks ! enjoyed it! inspiring..
Atlas 6-18??? Lmao! I got the same exact one and wish mine looked so clean and tighty again?! Lol! They do get dirty over time!! Otherwise yes Sir restored mine probably 12 years ago. It was left outside in the rain and snow for a year with a blue tarp on the poor thing, which of course ripps and leaks water. So I glass beaded the entire thing stripping it down to every last screw and nut. Then ended up replacing the head-stock roller bearings and put a new 3 jaw self aligning chuck with reversable jaws on the thing, replaced the bushings where needed and gave it a new coating of battle ship grey paint. To this day it owes me absolutely nothing!!! 💯 % But that's funny stuff because I've had a brand new motor for it and VFD inverter setup for it, which is now on the list of things to do and convert it over to the VFD with forward and reverse! Just the fact of having infinite amounts of speed will be a great improvement to it, and being able to run it backwards for once would sometimes be nice when you are doing certain things. Your video has inspired me to make it a priority now this week and get it done! I have everything to do it. It just comes down to pulling a working tool apart I've just never had a good enough reason to do so I guess? I even have everything wired already and programmed the inverter and yes there's a 2 settings in the inverter which is the delay you're talking about with the response times. If you want you can make it instantaneous stop and go. I have mine with a remote box with a Pot and double throw switch for Forward/Off/Reverse that way I can keep the inverter far away from the lathe and metal and oil which goes flying. But im sure you can do the same thing with your inverter drive, making it remotely operated? Most of them have to be most times. It does get a little tricky in the programming area no doubt but once it's setup, it's set for life or until it burns out or something. They don't lose their programming even if left unplugged for years I've found out lol. But awesome stuff man. Good luck with it and enjoy it.
Wow! What an awesome restoration! I just bought and old Atlas TH54 that needs some lov'n. What kind of paint did you use on the lathe and the red wrench?
Very nice work, sir. I hope you still have this lathe and enjoy using it on a regular basis. What did you pay for it, initially, and do you have a vid of the restoration process?
Really nicely done! One thing to consider though, when using a VFD on a lathe, is that as you reduce speed with the drive, you also reduce power. This is not true with pulleys. Automation Direct has an FAQ on their website that states the following to a question about using the drive for a mill or lathe: "While possible, the main limitation is a VERY important one- you will lose power if you slow the motor down with a drive. This means you can't take heavy cuts, or use large cutting tools, which are the primary reasons for reducing speed. If you are reducing speed for hand operations like sanding, then there should be no issues. The same holds true for light cuts, the power loss due to the reduced motor speed may not affect the operation. But...you must be aware that it could." support.automationdirect.com/faq/showfaq.php?id=1552 I'm not at all criticizing this project - it's beautifully done. Just wanted to make sure anyone who decides to go the VFD route was aware of that limitation.
SWEET!! I love it! I was just working on mine today. Also, I orded a steady rest and follower rest today from Clausing. It was cheaper than ebay. I do have 2 questions if you don't mind. 1. What kind of belts are those and where did you get them? 2. Where did you get that orange wrench? Thanks in advance and I can't wait to see it cuttin......
Bill, nice work! I just bought a 618. Can you give me more information about the belts? I see where you ordered in comments, but what type, etc? Thanks!
It looks just like from dream, so clean - lathe seen from astral dimension. If someone would passingly noticed this video to not know it is youtube, he would think - Oh, ... why people use metal lathe in pharmacy shop? Did you used normal 3 phase AC motor? I heard that controllers for such motors are very expensive. How much did it cost you?
Yes, three phase motor powered by a Variable Frequency Drive ("VFD"). I think the Motor was $150, VFD maybe $120. Add anal retentiveness and you're there.
@@billh1928 the DC treadmill motor works out very well , very compact and inexpensive, can use circuit board and potentiometer from treadmill , only cost me 50 dollars for mine. VFD are nice but so expensive.
It's a narrow market, but there are people who want the best old lathe money can buy, and that's where anal guys like me that do this for a ridiculous hobby come in. It's cheaper than a shrink.
As a retired machinist and machine shop instructor, I see one huge problem with your lathe. This machine has a right hand threaded spindle. This means this lathe will only run in one direction and it will not run in reverse because the chuck will unscrew itself and fall off. In your video you had the lathe running in reverse and the chuck was actually unscrewing itself which is very dangerous and can cause an injury to the operator. Modern lathes don't use this threaded spindle due to this problem.
A variable frequency drive can go any direction at any speed. If run in reverse, given the power and legitimate use of a lathe this size, the amount of resistance applied to the torque is minimal. Is there a risk when run in reverse? Yes, but you don't have to run it in reverse. I did so as I know the amount to resistance being applied and the torque I used to apply the chuck. That said, never a good idea to run in reverse on old lathe, but that is why it has a VFD. Thank you.
That noise would get to me. I would end up throwing the whole damn thing out in the yard. I hope that you didn’t sell it to someone without fixing that.
That is harmonic output a result of the variable frequency drive. Frequency! This set-up allows for infinite speeds while maintaining consistent torque. It's not for you, I understand. It requires no fixing, it is like asking for your Tesla to sound like a Chevy. Keep your Chevy, great car.
jeez dont run that thing, its a show piece. get a cheap chinese lathe and park it next to it , make the parts on the chicom , then put them in the atlas chuck for pictures.,
Hi. You have restored this as if you bought it yesterday brand new. very impressive and you did a good job. I actually bought one like this today for 75 Dollars lot of bits and the motor. Very rusty and have not been touched for many years. But I'm excited that I'm restoring this old guy. Thank you for sharing and keep up the good work.
Take your time, learn from those who have done before you, and above all have fun.
Congrats for the excellent reconstruction, really amazing to see a machine like that.
Luiz
Excellent way to repurpose an old classic.
Very nice restoration. Everyone should have an Atlas lathe.
Wow, I have a lathe exactly like yours that belonged to my Grandfather. I wished I had the no-how to do to it what you did to yours!! That's amazing brother!! Great job!!
Beautiful restoration, I have the 6" craftsman version that I want to do the same to. Thanks for the inspiration!
Sweet machine! It's beautiful I'm jelly. when you go to program the VFD there should be ramp up and ramp down functions. Parameters 1-01 & 1-02 respectively if I'm not mistaken. If parameter 1-00 = 0 then ramp up time = 1-01 , and ramp down time = 1-02. you can set them to whatever you want. If you still need/want things to stop faster let 1-19 = 30% and 1-22 = 60 hz. If you then set 1-21 (DC injection during stopping) = 1 that should really help bring things to a stop in a hurry. I don't see anywhere to put a DC bus resistor on this model VFD so I would recommend keeping 1-21 less than 1.5 seconds and even that may be too long in some cases. I hope this helps...I'm only about 7 years too late.
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very nice lathe
I am drooling right now. A lot.
Nice it looks beautiful makes me want to paint mine but mine had been like it is since 1966.
Good lord, you're crazier than I am! That's beau-ti-ful, wow... Very nice ;-)
Really well done. I have a Mk 2 version (Atlas 10100) of this lathe with a preinstalled reversing switch. Question....when you run the lathe in reverse, how do you keep the chuck from spinning off the spindle?
Looks amazing
Sweet Job! Don't care to much for the color! but it is your taste and no mine! Beautiful work! I plan to make mine a CNC! I need a machine take care of a few repetitive work and I'll be doing the retrofit for mine. Thanks for your video.
Absolutely beautiful job on the restoration. Where did you get the belts?
Great inspiration for my project--thanks!
Hello! Beautiful job! I have one that my dad left me. What size motor are you running with the vfd? Did you as replace the gears? I can't believe how quiet it is!! HOpe to hear from you. Thank you for the great video!
Well, I just bought a SB 10 heavy, with my buddy, David's, help. He's redoes lathes as a hobby and knows them incredibly well. I couldn't have done it without him. So, we'll see what this machine holds for me. No I have to move the Atlas or the wife is going to put me out of the house.
Are those O-rings you're using for belts? If you don't mind me asking why do you use those and where would I find something like that?
Just watched this video. Reeeaaaly nice job on the lathe. I have the same one and was wondering if you could tell me where you bought those round belts? I'm using link belts and they rub becuase they sit up much higher and are noisy. Can you help me out?
Very nice, what color / kind of paint & what belts?
the VFD has settings for start ramp time (time to ramp up to set speed) plus a choice of coast to stop (same as shutting off a standard motor), a ramp down time, and a braking stop. Be careful of the brake to stop setting as too fast a stop could cause the chuck to unthread off the spindle.
beautiful
How much does the VFD set up cost? and where would I get one? I would love that..I am so tired of stopping and changing the pulley. I love my 618 and recently put a new quick change toolpost (had to make parts for it to fit lol) and also added a cross slide milling vice...another nightmare of making parts..the manfactuer said just mout it on the tool post..that was to floppy so I removed the compound and made a special plate with a hole bored to fit a the angle boss..this made the mill vice even better for milling bevels. Now the VFD would be awesome
Very cool. Im going to restore a Craftsman 6" pretty soon here. Do you have to ever change belts/gears to get certain speeds or do you just run your speed changes completely off the VFD?
Great job!
Dang thats nice!
I have a atlas 12 x 36 with quick change gearbox,,, hope you found one,,,108 treading combinations just by shifting levers.
Yeah, you can order a lot from them. Be warned, not everything fits the way it should as I found out mounting the screw and half nut.
The belts are from McMasters Carr, $11 I think for both, and I only used one, but the other one is too small diameter-wise. I wasn't sure so just ordered both sizes. The wrench is an Atlas, I just painted it as I want to know it's for the lathe and can find it when the tools stack up during a project.
This is Awesome ! Thinking about the same kind of project. Can you add a little info about the VFD, price , place to buy, ect. Also where did you get the round belts.
Thanks ! enjoyed it!
inspiring..
Atlas 6-18??? Lmao! I got the same exact one and wish mine looked so clean and tighty again?! Lol! They do get dirty over time!! Otherwise yes Sir restored mine probably 12 years ago. It was left outside in the rain and snow for a year with a blue tarp on the poor thing, which of course ripps and leaks water. So I glass beaded the entire thing stripping it down to every last screw and nut. Then ended up replacing the head-stock roller bearings and put a new 3 jaw self aligning chuck with reversable jaws on the thing, replaced the bushings where needed and gave it a new coating of battle ship grey paint. To this day it owes me absolutely nothing!!! 💯 %
But that's funny stuff because I've had a brand new motor for it and VFD inverter setup for it, which is now on the list of things to do and convert it over to the VFD with forward and reverse! Just the fact of having infinite amounts of speed will be a great improvement to it, and being able to run it backwards for once would sometimes be nice when you are doing certain things. Your video has inspired me to make it a priority now this week and get it done! I have everything to do it. It just comes down to pulling a working tool apart I've just never had a good enough reason to do so I guess? I even have everything wired already and programmed the inverter and yes there's a 2 settings in the inverter which is the delay you're talking about with the response times. If you want you can make it instantaneous stop and go. I have mine with a remote box with a Pot and double throw switch for Forward/Off/Reverse that way I can keep the inverter far away from the lathe and metal and oil which goes flying. But im sure you can do the same thing with your inverter drive, making it remotely operated? Most of them have to be most times. It does get a little tricky in the programming area no doubt but once it's setup, it's set for life or until it burns out or something. They don't lose their programming even if left unplugged for years I've found out lol. But awesome stuff man. Good luck with it and enjoy it.
I have a question about the belts. What kind and they look round? When can I get them? I would like to replace mine.
Wow! What an awesome restoration! I just bought and old Atlas TH54 that needs some lov'n. What kind of paint did you use on the lathe and the red wrench?
No. I don't deal with them, only restored a couple (which wasn't the plan). But now my 13" is my keeper.
Awesome!
What color did you paint it? Also did you spray paint it or use a brush? Thanks.
Very nice work, sir. I hope you still have this lathe and enjoy using it on a regular basis. What did you pay for it, initially, and do you have a vid of the restoration process?
No, I think I dropped the pics some time ago. I did sell it, but finished restoring a Heavy 10 I plan to film shortly.
Very cool
Really nicely done! One thing to consider though, when using a VFD on a lathe, is that as you reduce speed with the drive, you also reduce power. This is not true with pulleys. Automation Direct has an FAQ on their website that states the following to a question about using the drive for a mill or lathe:
"While possible, the main limitation is a VERY important one- you will lose power if you slow the motor down with a drive. This means you can't take heavy cuts, or use large cutting tools, which are the primary reasons for reducing speed. If you are reducing speed for hand operations like sanding, then there should be no issues. The same holds true for light cuts, the power loss due to the reduced motor speed may not affect the operation. But...you must be aware that it could."
support.automationdirect.com/faq/showfaq.php?id=1552
I'm not at all criticizing this project - it's beautifully done. Just wanted to make sure anyone who decides to go the VFD route was aware of that limitation.
Not necessarily. Depends on the VFD.
I'm no expert on VFDs, but my understanding was that while power will be reduced with a frequency
Great job. It looks great. Can you tell me where you got the belts from?
Are those ways painted? It kinda looks like it on my tv.
how in the world did you get the bed and jaws that clean?!
Hey? How does the VFD knows the RPM if there is not an encoder on the motor??
SWEET!! I love it! I was just working on mine today. Also, I orded a steady rest and follower rest today from Clausing. It was cheaper than ebay. I do have 2 questions if you don't mind. 1. What kind of belts are those and where did you get them? 2. Where did you get that orange wrench? Thanks in advance and I can't wait to see it cuttin......
beautiful. what is bed gap on a 618?
May I ask where you purchased the E-stop?
I know, it's addicting. I'm going to be selling it here shortly. I enjoyed doing it.
What model Dayton motor do you have on there?
Bill, nice work! I just bought a 618. Can you give me more information about the belts? I see where you ordered in comments, but what type, etc? Thanks!
Tubular belts, a pain to work with, can't recommend them, but they do work and look awfully cool.
Thank you. It pales in comparison to what you're doing.
What size motor is that?
Why are you selling it? I'd like to see what you,can do with a South Bend?
Just finished restoring a South Bend Heavy 10 I plan to video tape, and sell too. It will be my last restoration--it beat me down.
Did you build the bench too??
It looks just like from dream, so clean - lathe seen from astral dimension. If someone would passingly noticed this video to not know it is youtube, he would think - Oh, ... why people use metal lathe in pharmacy shop? Did you used normal 3 phase AC motor? I heard that controllers for such motors are very expensive. How much did it cost you?
Yes, three phase motor powered by a Variable Frequency Drive ("VFD"). I think the Motor was $150, VFD maybe $120. Add anal retentiveness and you're there.
I use treadmill DC motor with potentiometer,,,but this vedio 7 years old,,, I used one on my drillpress and wood lathe,,,
Interesting application.
@@billh1928 the DC treadmill motor works out very well , very compact and inexpensive, can use circuit board and potentiometer from treadmill , only cost me 50 dollars for mine. VFD are nice but so expensive.
What kind of belts are those?
prettty nice.
just to know is this an old thing ? and what would be a common price for 1 of those? xD just curious about
It's a narrow market, but there are people who want the best old lathe money can buy, and that's where anal guys like me that do this for a ridiculous hobby come in. It's cheaper than a shrink.
you anwser 8 month later xD lol it were for if i want to get 1 xD
Hope you didn't put SS screws into aluminum... they will sieze over time due to a reaction between the metals.
Do you have a link to vfd and motor
No, it's been some time now. Sorry.
As a retired machinist and machine shop instructor, I see one huge problem with your lathe. This machine has a right hand threaded spindle. This means this lathe will only run in one direction and it will not run in reverse because the chuck will unscrew itself and fall off. In your video you had the lathe running in reverse and the chuck was actually unscrewing itself which is very dangerous and can cause an injury to the operator. Modern lathes don't use this threaded spindle due to this problem.
A variable frequency drive can go any direction at any speed. If run in reverse, given the power and legitimate use of a lathe this size, the amount of resistance applied to the torque is minimal. Is there a risk when run in reverse? Yes, but you don't have to run it in reverse. I did so as I know the amount to resistance being applied and the torque I used to apply the chuck. That said, never a good idea to run in reverse on old lathe, but that is why it has a VFD. Thank you.
looks as you go 120 percent on thing you do
Do you sell it?
Yes. She's gone...
Yes. She's gone.
how much price for this 618 late plese i want prcage for this
That noise would get to me. I would end up throwing the whole damn thing out in the yard. I hope that you didn’t sell it to someone without fixing that.
That is harmonic output a result of the variable frequency drive. Frequency! This set-up allows for infinite speeds while maintaining consistent torque. It's not for you, I understand. It requires no fixing, it is like asking for your Tesla to sound like a Chevy. Keep your Chevy, great car.
jeez dont run that thing, its a show piece. get a cheap chinese lathe and park it next to it , make the parts on the chicom , then put them in the atlas chuck for pictures.,