A Very Brief Look at the Influence of Gamelan on Classical Music

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  • @TheMusicHistorian
    @TheMusicHistorian  9 місяців тому +4

    This introductory overview is, indeed "very brief," which is why some composers and details are absent. It was prepared as a class project with a five-minute limit.

  • @Bangbex2000
    @Bangbex2000 7 місяців тому +3

    It felt like it took me to another realm that seemed like I had been before but had never been

  • @Hailey_Paige_1937
    @Hailey_Paige_1937 3 роки тому +30

    Ravel was, too! You can hear the influences in his “Ma Mére l’Oye” Suite and in “La Vallée des cloches” from “Miroirs.”

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  3 роки тому +6

      And the second movement of his string quartet. He was only fourteen at the time of the exposition and had just moved to Paris to join the conservatoire, so he just barely made it!

  • @bot-ox
    @bot-ox 8 років тому +92

    Debussy admitted that several of his musical compositions was influenced by gamelan.

    • @zNblack00
      @zNblack00 5 років тому +23

      And later Debussy influenced the jazz genre itself. It was quite mind blowing to know that something traditional and mystical sounded music like game had indirectly or directly also contributed to the jazz music

    • @brandonbarrett7595
      @brandonbarrett7595 3 роки тому +3

      @@zNblack00 How do you know that it influenced the jazz genre? I'm genuinely curious

  • @tesseract_id
    @tesseract_id Рік тому +9

    In the cultural background which gamelan was invented - the Javanese people believe in harmonic composition of multiverse within layers, all of them are represented in gamelan ( "Gamel" means mastery (Based on Sanskrit language), and "Gamelan" might be intepreted as sets of disciplinaries to mastery life, performed as an ensamble).Some of composition are performed in particular time of special events & places as contemplative ceremony. Perhaps,...there's something related with "Binaural frequencies".

  • @afrizaanimawana8825
    @afrizaanimawana8825 4 роки тому +61

    i am from Java Island, Indonesia, and im so proud of gamelan. #respect

    • @WrulfWroar
      @WrulfWroar 4 роки тому +5

      Im classical musician and I confirm that gamelan ensemble is really godtier XDD

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  3 роки тому +4

      I don't blame you. It is a beautiful instrument. There is an ensemble at a university near me, and I go to see and hear it any chance I get.

    • @sharraleigh
      @sharraleigh 2 роки тому +3

      @@TheMusicHistorian just FYI, the "e" in gamelan is pronounced like "eh", so it's a long "e" sound. :)

    • @ary9344
      @ary9344 Рік тому

      @@sharraleigh I'm Javanese, his pronunciation is correct. the "e" is as in the word "the."

    • @sharraleigh
      @sharraleigh Рік тому

      @@ary9344 In Malaysia we pronounce it the way I wrote it :)

  • @ondinehd6889
    @ondinehd6889 2 роки тому +4

    Also Ligeti (Etudes for Piano: étude #7, "Galamb Borong"), as well as Poulenc, in his Concerto for 2 pianos and orchestra.

  • @harrisafiari6938
    @harrisafiari6938 3 роки тому +7

    Great music west and east become nice harmoni

  • @sinisterbotanist
    @sinisterbotanist 6 років тому +16

    Messiaen too. Think of that celeste + piano bit in Turangalila III

  • @henkvandijk1807
    @henkvandijk1807 6 років тому +13

    Also read De oostenwind waait naar het westen (KITLV Press, Leiden) about composers from the Dutch East Indies. For example, a oprea about a Javanse dancer, named Attima, was already written from 1902 onwards by composer Constant van de Wall and in 1917 performed by the French opera in the city of The Hague, Holland.

  • @LouisFrayser
    @LouisFrayser 9 років тому +8

    Thanks. I like that John Cage Sonata V

  • @ivanhendr
    @ivanhendr 2 роки тому +6

    Poulenc's concerto for two pianos is clearly imitating Balinese gamelan

  • @fascinationstreet8
    @fascinationstreet8 3 роки тому +7

    Hey I really love this video! Do you maybe have a small bibliography that I could use for my research?

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  3 роки тому +7

      These are the four items in the bibliography of the report that accompanied this video.
      Ewen, David. Great Composers 1300-1900. The H.W. Wilson Company, New York, 1966
      Ewen, David. Composers Since 1900. The H.W. Wilson Company, New York, 1971
      Hugh, Brent. Claude Debussy and the Javanese Gamelan. 1997
      Kennedy, Michael. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music. Oxford University Press, 1980

  • @RogertheGS
    @RogertheGS 3 роки тому +10

    Leopold Godowsky's Java Suite ... Philip Glass ...

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  3 роки тому +1

      Glass certainly. All of the early minimalists to some extent. And Godowsky definitely built on what Debussy had done, benefiting from his travels and the greater contact he had.

  • @lucienesther
    @lucienesther Рік тому

    this is very educational, thank you for sharing!

  • @sylvainmathieu3887
    @sylvainmathieu3887 2 роки тому +1

    Don't forget all the works from Colin McPhee

  • @quokka585
    @quokka585 2 роки тому

    wonderful video! what is the first music in the video?

  • @robertethanbowman
    @robertethanbowman 2 роки тому +1

    Kaneda! Tetsuo!

  • @georgiahn39
    @georgiahn39 4 роки тому +3

    anyone got this for music hw?

  • @TomKotarba
    @TomKotarba 2 роки тому +1

    Ligeti as well.

  • @aasherwright4130
    @aasherwright4130 5 років тому +2

    geee..... missed to mention Steve Reich !

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  3 роки тому +3

      I missed a couple others, too. I was trying to keep it short and simple, which always means making hard choices.

  • @NewArchipelago
    @NewArchipelago 3 роки тому +7

    Gamelan is beautiful. The classical piano pieces in this video are frankly just a racket to me.

    • @amj.composer
      @amj.composer 2 роки тому +2

      I thought I was the only one who thought that. I tried to like it, but yeah it didn't work :/

    • @molybdaenmornell123hopp5
      @molybdaenmornell123hopp5 2 роки тому

      @@amj.composer I managed.

  • @mitchellwarren4376
    @mitchellwarren4376 5 років тому +2

    No mention of Britten?

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  5 років тому

      Not in an overview this concise, I'm afraid. This was intended as a bare overview, and I believe these three examples would be agreed on as essential by most. Were this expanded even modestly into a more thorough presentation, Britten would be near or at the top of the list of names added.

    • @jacobmorris3664
      @jacobmorris3664 5 років тому

      Definite in Death in Venice.

  • @fisherroastedpeanut
    @fisherroastedpeanut 2 роки тому

    Also Ligeti

  • @pr0ses
    @pr0ses 9 місяців тому

    Where is collin McPhee

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  9 місяців тому

      Lost in the shadow of Lou Harrison, I fear, due to the limited duration this school project had to be.

  • @fedorvoronovcomposer
    @fedorvoronovcomposer 8 років тому +1

    1:33 HTF is this inspired by gamelan? do you have evidence (like his sayings like "oooh, I was inspired by gamelan much composing that sh@t") ?

    • @TheMusicHistorian
      @TheMusicHistorian  8 років тому +29

      Yes. Debussy spent considerable time at the gamelan, making notes, described the elements of Javanese music that inspired him in a letter written to Pierre Louÿs, and further elaborated on its influence in other writings (collected in Debussy on Music).

    • @diegoortegadod
      @diegoortegadod 6 років тому +4

      Hello, I am writing an essay on this topic, please let me know if there are any sources you could provide me with, specifically with Debussy. Thank you so much :)

    • @Sheilazag
      @Sheilazag 4 роки тому +3

      @@diegoortegadod I think you can go on Monsieur Croche, if I'm remembering well! There are some other good sources, and e-books you can investigate. Good work!