The video mentions the NLAW takes about 5 seconds to put into use; what it doesn't mention is the Javelin takes at least 30 sec for the IR intensifier tube to warm up for tracking targets, and as someone mentioned in a thread here, it takes about 90 sec to reload Javelin. So the Javelin is excellent in defense or when you have time to set up, but in a spot ambush or immediate action situation, the NLAW is rapid to put into action. I realize 30 sec doesn't sound like a long time but believe me, time seems to slow down when you're under fire and 30 sec can seem a lifetime. So each system has its good points. Bottom line is the NLAW is a LAW, the Javelin is a MAW. Along with HAWs, like TOW, Milan, HOT, Konkurs...such systems are meant to work together in an effective AT defense, not compete.
Except Javelin no other RPG is capable of destroying modern vehicle because they hit straight which could be easily parried by defense system but Javelin could hit from above like hypersonic one which deviate defense syste.
We all know Ukraine is kicking ass we will provide military assistance as needed, I honestly wish we could provide a no fly zone. I’d like to see how typhoons rate against the Russian Sukhoi planes 🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@nikkibouttell3232 I met a Sikh who flew both in the Indian air force he only slightly rated the euro/typhoon above mig ( not completely sure wich mark) but the Russian's would get there arses kicked missile teck intelligence and of course training and skill there not the cold war power they used to be
The Javelin is more powerful in the warhead and range. The NLAW has the speed to fire and simplicity working for it. It's otherwise equally as effective taking out a tank. Both can do Top Attack, which is their main purpose. So NLAW is perfect for ambush and taking out tanks within 600 meters. Javelin needs some time to get going and fire but can hit hard and at longer ranges.. So they actually complement each other really well.
The big thing for me watching this was range, if you’re fighting in a city that may be less important but if I’m taking out a tank (which probably has other tanks looking out for it) I want to be hella far away.
Price is a huge factor. NLAW is £40,000 and Javelin £130,000. For every Javelin, the Ukrainians could have 3 NLAWS. The soldiers in the field need proper instruction for the Javelin as it's quite complex, but has way more features than the NLAW and can be used to bring down helicopters. The Ukrainians like the NLAW because it's very simple to use. Anyone can be taught how to fire it in a few minutes much like the US LAWS, RPG or AT-4. They also like the fact that it's still guided. The missile does not update itself in flight like the Javelin, but if the operator tracks the moving target for at least 2 seconds, then predictive software will work out where the target is headed and then fires at that spot so that the missile flies directly above target and then detonates.
Yea the price is a big difference but so is the range and explosive charge. The javelin can operate outside a tanks range, with nlaws you have to get within a tanks range. If you watch the video from that convoy outside Kiev about five days ago, the other tanks immediately turned their guns and fired where the nlaw came from. Plus the javelin flight path obfuscates where the middle came from. Javalin brings more destruction to the game. Heard today CIA has been training Ukraine military/special ops since 2014 with javalins in eastern Ukraine
@@kenlang1070 very true, however for city warfare like we're seeing, you're always inside a tank's range. In fact you're within the range of their MG too
It depends on the situation I saw in the video in Ukraine it's a rapid response shot that destroyed a Russian tank NLAW is more effective but for long range columns and being outnumbered to avoid exposure to the enemy best choice is javelin so for long range best choice javelin for short range & rapid response best choice is NLAW
Thing is with an NLAW you can fire from pretty much anywhere. Perfect for Urban warfare taking out vehicles passing by or if you're hiding in a closed environment. NLAW also cost a fraction of the Javelin. Javelin as you've correctly pointed out is more powerful and has better range though. But i wouldn't fuck with somebody with an Nlaw haha
don't think the user would really mind which they have in a pinch. being further away from the enemy would definitely be an advantage giving more cover options but having a quicker spot shoot gtfo is also a nice thing!
The Turkish bayraktar tb2 is wiping the columns. The russian soldiers stand no chance. Most of them don't want to be there either. One man to blame. PUTLER
@@YTDumpsterBaby Why are you worried about cost? Its war. Much rather launch a tank anti-missle from 4000 m than 600m. Tank you are shooting will blow you away if they see you at 600m.
The Brits have also sent the Starstreak HVM ground to air system. Fires multiple darts at +Mach 3 for use against helicopters and attack aircraft. The Ukrainians will have a missile for all occasions.
The NLAW weighs only 12.5 kg (compared to the 22.3 kg of the Javelin), costs only $30k (compared to $200k for the Javelin) and can be fired from within buildings, trenches, etc.
NLAW doesn't have top attack capabilities but the Javelin has a confirm kill top attack ability and is a fire and forget system. Range wise the Javelin can be shot behind cover or in buildings making it extremely capable. NLAW is more of a close in anti tank weapon for troops to carry in larger numbers. NLAW will hit tanks on the front or sides. Usually it will not penetrate the front of the best MBTs but against the side armor, it will obliterate any tank in the world, even with ERA. Same goes for Russian anti tank systems like KORNET E which has top attack function. Tanks in the modern era really are like sitting ducks
@@ConstantineJoseph What do you mean "top attack capabilities"? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the NLAW is meant to do; detonate above the target with the help of sensors and penetrate the top armor of the tank.
Leaffordes over the TOP is not TOP Attack. TOP Attack means that the missile climbs really high over the target before slamming down with contact at a steep angle. These missiles cannot be intercepted by Russian dazzlers or Israeli Trophy active protection systems. The NLAW with the skimming over TOP Attack is completely interceptible by dazzlers and APS systems. If they have those anti ATGM systems. That is the difference
Well, the NLAW is a squad(10:ish soldiers) to platoon(30:ish) level weapon, the Javelin is a company(150:ish) to battalion(600:ish) level weapon, they are really not in the same niche. The NLAW is there to give AT-capacity to smaller units organically. Just like a squad can have m203 grenade lauchers but not howitzers. Any army should have both (or simillar, there are alternatives for the Javelin role, but I don't know of any real alternatives for the NLAW role).
The javelin has alot of technology for it being old and is still impressive to this day. The infrared technology makes it able to dominate at night as well for those forces that go bang in the night.
@@darkiee69 There is no IR beam. The Javelin uses IR heat from the target. That is why it needs a few minutes prep time to cool the IR SENSOR down by using the can of coolant.. The Javelin operator is exposed when he fires.....that produces a heat signature that enemy can identify.
In essence both can take out any MBT.. They are top attack and both can easily penetrate deep enough for any armor on top of the tank. The "Javelin cages" don't work. And with NLAW it's a molten copper shape charge that detonates 1 meter above the tank. So no defense. I think it's tandem so a charge first blows the ERA protection and then the shape charge do the real work.
@@memkiii The west has so much money and resources they don't care. US aid has gone from like 450 million dollars to like 14 billion. Massive amount coming from Europe too, at least the same amount. Then all the donations by charity concerts, fundraising by charities etc. In the end it will probably end up being like 50 billion dollars which was the amount that the entire German military budget was before the since Germany now tripled their military spending.
NLAW is faster and lighter(12.5kg) although less powerful, Javelin is more powerful but heavier(22.3kg) and slower to use. Anti tank both are capable with the same warhead to roof function, but because less weight, cost and faster response NLAW wins. Longer range and against some small fortifications Javelin's better though.
I believe the UK use Javelins as primary AT weapons and NLAWs as secondary. Javelin have tandem HEAT warheads which do better against ERA bricks and also greater penetration. NLAW warheads form an EFP (like IEDs) which has less overall penetration of the Javelin but still effective against the top armour of MBTs. NLAW is a whole lot cheaper ($20k vs $70k) and whoever is carrying it can fire it. Whereas for Javelin you need to find the guy with a CLU (pun intended).
NLAW also has a soft launch that allow it to be fired from indoors/vehicles etc. Great for urban warfare. I suspect that if the Sov.. Russians ever try to roll armour into Kiev they'll get a shock when their armour gets taken out by NLAWs they never see being launched. Javelin is also technically "soft launch" but not to the same degree.
where does the Israeli-Singaporean MATADOR fall in ? seems much lighter, shorter range. focusing on urban warfare with soft launch and delay mode warhead
I don't see much evidence of any Russian use of IR detection gear, or even IR goggles. Their tanks, which also lack any such detection equipment, don't even seem to have any proper march procedures. They aren't even scanning for targets. In any case what do you suppose they would be able to do about it in time? It's not as if the guy with the Javelin is sitting there for 5 minutes aiming at the tank before releasing. It's sort of a non issue anyway. Even an older generation RPG is useful against armour, even if it only takes a track off, or damages a sprocket. What they need is more of everything.
I don't believe the Javelin launcher emits any IR that would reveal your position. The seeker on the missile uses passive IR homing to track the target.
when the combat gets deeper into Kyiv, then the NLAW totally wins. The Javelin just causes fear to most Russian tanks because it’s more deadly at ranges and it can ignore the ERA packages with the Tandem warhead
Javelin is not effective in built up areas, as communication devices can confuse the missile. NLAW shorter range and Carl Gustav would be more effective in built up areas.
Swedes really like their AT wepaons. AT4, Carl-Gustaf and Nlaw are all Swedish (Nlaw British/Swedish). Funny how a country that has not been to war for over 200 years care ao much for the bang😂
Both and great and have own advantages over the other. NLAW is not a true fire and forget missile as it does not track a moving tank, it calculates where the moving tank will be when it reaches its target. Soldier can only shoot NLAW with a clear line of sight not through smoke or heavy fog. Javelin is a true fire and forget missile and it can be track a moving target with its IR seeker. Javelin has much longer range and more armor penetration power compared to NLAW. Its optic sight can also be used for recon when missile is not being fired or attached to optical sight. NLAW is cheaper and quicker to fire but you have to be very close to enemy tanks which means odds of person firing NLAW will be spotted and taken out before even firing missile or right after firing it even higher. Javelin can be fired from much longer range and solider firing can reposition before missile even hits target. Both are great to have an compliment each other very well. In any fight Javelin's and NLAW's are all you need to fight an ANTI TANK war.
NLAW best for Urban fighting & read (I believe) its easier to train n fire the system. Plus its great in urban fighting, firing in close spaces without much or little backblast. Russo armour wont wanna be involved in street fighting with squads of Ukrainiums armed with NLAWS amongst the ruins n rubble.
It appears to me to be more like a Russian RPG direct line of sight. But it's good to have a standoff capability like javelin.. you don't want to be shot by a Russian sniper or infantryman trying to kill a tank.
Javeline , Bayraktar and NLAW They are my LOVE...They are helping to BRAVE UKRAN people for FREDOM 💛💙🙏🤗...But Javeline is like Mike Tysion..You cant survive..Never...👍
Javelins are like seek and destroy, tanks have no place to hide and it could be a good cover for nlaw ambush, since both are guaranteed hits , with javelin you are secured ….something like a sniper cover for infantry, when you make an ambush on a large column, you retreat on the sight of the javelins , the pursuing columns will meet their faith with the Javelins from a distance, and the nlaws will make a quick escape
@@Thor.Jorgensen Well, an entire NLAW costs less than a Javelin missile. Javelin is generally more sophisticated and capable, but the downsides are that it is more bulky, more expensive, and more complex to learn and use. Both have their advantages.
@@jrd33 Pinned comment: NLAW is £40,000 and Javelin £130,000 If you throw away £40,000 each and every time, that's a lot of money wasted when the 130,000 can be reused. And the Javelin has even higher explosive potential and range than the NLAW.
Except Javelin no other RPG is capable of destroying modern vehicle because they hit straight which could be easily parried by defense system but Javelin could hit from above like hypersonic one which deviate defense syste.
I am a stockholder of the French company THALES, Thank you to Brits for pumping up my investment as well as France's products and interests. 😉🤑😘 Excocet was another french made missile that Britain made famous and commercially utterly successful.
The Javelin has its advantages(like range), but the HUGE thing that makes NLAW more useful is that is is capable of firing from more concealed places. The javelin has a back blast that will injure anyone behind or in a concealed area (like a bunker or inside a building). The NLAW however is fully capable of being launched from inside a concealed area - its initial back blast is small and the solid rocket doesn't ignite until it is at a safe distance. This make is a LOT more useful in urban fighting, close range and medium close range. Soldiers can keep hidden and fire from a safe cover much easier. The NLAW can also be fired directly at a downward angle, meaning a soldier can ambush from above a roof, as seen in some recent live war footage
The Javelin also has a direct fire feature for taking out walls, bunkers, or top down firing like from on top of a high rise building. I see Javelin as a open terrain anti tank weapon because of its +4000m range and NLAW/AT4 in Urban anti tank and troop carrier weapon because of its under 800m effective range.
It is like people would choose different shoes or bags for different event - a soldier will do the same and take the NLAW for the casual urban fight and the Javelin for longer range open area combat and the pzF3 for short range urban fights against tanks and the AT4 for the common use! So every system has it features!
@@mawdeeps7691 Indeed they have different functionality but if you look through NATO there is a plethora of different anti-tank weapons. Many countries are sending such weapons to Ukraine where resupply and training must be a nightmare.
NLAW Wins, here's why: It's very easy to use It's very potent anyways It's cheaper It's also got a larger warhead That warhead goes faster too It's much easier to hide aswell It's Swedish, and i love Sweden
It's a Swedish and British design 👌. But it depends on how far away you are from the tank with the system you should choose close nlaw distance javelin
Some facts are not correct in the video, the weight for example. Another thing to compare is how the missile finds it target. The Rb-57 NLAW look for magnetic signatures while the Javelin flies high and look for thermal signatures. That means that the NLAW also finds "cold" targets.
You can really tell a tank hit by a javelin, it’s all blown up. I prefer having a 3000 meter range to fire & forget, then hide. Javelin is the perfect weapon to obliterate the 40 mile convoy to Kyiv.
Agree. But in cities such as Kiev where buildings, electrical wires etc may interfere with javelin guidance, NLAW is better. Also generally guidance from long distance not as important in close city combat. NLAW gear cheaper too
You forgot to mention the very large difference in price! The Javelin is 3-4 times more expensive. So, the long range comes at a high price. Also Javelin is less portable.
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The Javelin is the most superlative anti tank/anti vehicle/anti helo weapon ever made. Make no mistake, I am no keyboard warrior!. I had the pleasure of using this weapon in training and war games many times.... It is a total game changer. The N-Law is great but the Javelin for its range, portability, accuracy and adaptability to any terrain is the benchmark for today's weapons and tomorrows. All future ATGMs that are being developed today are still benchmarked against the Javelin!
The pansarskott 86 that we swedes also sent are one use only. They are good for light armor, light fortifications and knocking the track of tanks etc. And it is extremely simple. Civilian militia can use it.
Both have their purpose. Javelin is much better for open environments where range and night capability is important. NLAW is a much better pick for closer engagements (especially urban) where the enemy tank can be seen in daylight.
Missed out a few things. cost, NLAW is about 20k javelin 70k, javelin has a really good sight that is detachable and is very useful in its own right. So you get 3 NLAWs for 1 Javelin. Also firing angle NLAW can be fired down out of buildings at tanks but Javelins can't really be used like that. Javelins can also take out helicopters. NLAWs you would have to be a very good shot, because it is not guided. NLAW takes about 30secs to setup Javelins take a few minutes. NLAWs take 2-3 hours to learn to fire, Javelins is several days. Official course is 10 days So you need both. They do different jobs. Both are good at what they are designed to do.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the angle of attack or trajectory from the missiles are different as well. The NLAW is almost linear, explodes right above the tank, hitting the weakest armor while the Javelin upon firing, rockets upward then dives to top of the tank. Having said that, would active protection like those installed in new Abrams and Armatas, negate the success NLAWS is having with older Soviet Era tanks?
Not at artillery ranges. You'd need to patrol up to the gun line to get a shot at the arty, so you've got a choice of lugging the Javelin 2000m away or two NLAW 600m away.
If you're in a city or highly dense forest. The NLAW would be superior. Takes 5 seconds to fire can detonate within 20 meters. No cumbersome aiming with IR and the distance is much shorter in urban areas and dense forest.. The Javelin is better for longer range attacks.. So in reality having both is optimal, it covers any situation.
Add the cost effective Carl Gustaf with 11 different projectiles and the AT4 (CS) and the family of AT is complete. Open fields, suburbs, cities, long/short distance.
If they've got Javelin it's a mystery why that huge Russian column has been pretty much unmolested as it sits in a 40 odd mile queue prepping for it's attack.
If I had a Russian column bearing down on me; personally I'd rather have 5 guys with NLAW's than one with a Javelin. But, I think we can all agree that the Ukrainians will happily use either to take out a Russian vehicle!
@@jrd33 so only if it is attacking, landing, taking off, close and heading away, or heading mostly towards you? Edit: if moving fast close heading away, or fast mostly towards you. Slow it doesn't matter.
Comrade Ruskie dislikes this. Luckily Ukraine has both and has held them off because they don't like BBQ. The UK gave them 500 in January to get the ball rolling. Then another 2000 to play with.
If need to destroy a tank before it makes me disappear I will take the effective range of 4.5 k meters. That’s some serious stay out of the way capabilities. No one drives a tank alone, so that range gives plenty of time to run away from the rest of the now evaporated tanker’s buddies. (This comment went through three edits to get around UA-cam auto censorship,)
The video mentions the NLAW takes about 5 seconds to put into use; what it doesn't mention is the Javelin takes at least 30 sec for the IR intensifier tube to warm up for tracking targets, and as someone mentioned in a thread here, it takes about 90 sec to reload Javelin.
So the Javelin is excellent in defense or when you have time to set up, but in a spot ambush or immediate action situation, the NLAW is rapid to put into action.
I realize 30 sec doesn't sound like a long time but believe me, time seems to slow down when you're under fire and 30 sec can seem a lifetime. So each system has its good points. Bottom line is the NLAW is a LAW, the Javelin is a MAW. Along with HAWs, like TOW, Milan, HOT, Konkurs...such systems are meant to work together in an effective AT defense, not compete.
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Except Javelin no other RPG is capable of destroying modern vehicle because they hit straight which could be easily parried by defense system but Javelin could hit from above like hypersonic one which deviate defense syste.
That's why it's good having them both on hand, the NLAW is good for ambushes and short range while the javelin is designed for medium range attacks!
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Both make Russian tanks go bang. I like them both.
Me to but javelin is better but @£10000 the nlaw is cheaper and a cheap missile you have is better than the experience you don't
Except one is cheaper than the other and that is the difference
We all know Ukraine is kicking ass we will provide military assistance as needed, I honestly wish we could provide a no fly zone. I’d like to see how typhoons rate against the Russian
Sukhoi planes 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I mean throwing a stone at it hard enough will probably make one of their tanks explode.
@@nikkibouttell3232 I met a Sikh who flew both in the Indian air force he only slightly rated the euro/typhoon above mig ( not completely sure wich mark) but the Russian's would get there arses kicked missile teck intelligence and of course training and skill there not the cold war power they used to be
Perhaps we should ask the Ukrainians which system they prefer right now? I seem to see them smiling using both of them.
For very fast attack obviously nlaw!
@@defencelearning2785 The right tool for the right job. Javelin for further out and nlaw for closer engagement.
- 'Hey, Ukraine, which system do you prefer right now?'
- 'Yes.'
@@yuefenggao7483 I declare you winner of this thread.
@@puffnstuff12 good combination to have!
The Javelin is more powerful in the warhead and range. The NLAW has the speed to fire and simplicity working for it. It's otherwise equally as effective taking out a tank. Both can do Top Attack, which is their main purpose.
So NLAW is perfect for ambush and taking out tanks within 600 meters. Javelin needs some time to get going and fire but can hit hard and at longer ranges..
So they actually complement each other really well.
This system well put you in the range of a sniper .
The big thing for me watching this was range, if you’re fighting in a city that may be less important but if I’m taking out a tank (which probably has other tanks looking out for it) I want to be hella far away.
@@deanbrown2061 if being in sniper range wouldn't invalidate the practicability of a weapon , armies would be 99% sniper
@@deanbrown2061 fairly sure you'd find your self some cover to fire it from if you're going to be taking out a tank
but javelins can be less effective in cold temperature, and unable to target stationary engined-off targets because they use IR sensors
Price is a huge factor. NLAW is £40,000 and Javelin £130,000. For every Javelin, the Ukrainians could have 3 NLAWS.
The soldiers in the field need proper instruction for the Javelin as it's quite complex, but has way more features than the NLAW and can be used to bring down helicopters.
The Ukrainians like the NLAW because it's very simple to use. Anyone can be taught how to fire it in a few minutes much like the US LAWS, RPG or AT-4.
They also like the fact that it's still guided. The missile does not update itself in flight like the Javelin, but if the operator tracks the moving target for at least 2 seconds, then predictive software will work out where the target is headed and then fires at that spot so that the missile flies directly above target and then detonates.
how much is a rocket for each system?
@@Lacanzonedelpadre NLAW is a single fire package. It's not reloadable.
Yea the price is a big difference but so is the range and explosive charge. The javelin can operate outside a tanks range, with nlaws you have to get within a tanks range. If you watch the video from that convoy outside Kiev about five days ago, the other tanks immediately turned their guns and fired where the nlaw came from. Plus the javelin flight path obfuscates where the middle came from. Javalin brings more destruction to the game. Heard today CIA has been training Ukraine military/special ops since 2014 with javalins in eastern Ukraine
@@kenlang1070 very true, however for city warfare like we're seeing, you're always inside a tank's range. In fact you're within the range of their MG too
@@Lacanzonedelpadre Javelin- 80k-120k$ per missile
MBT NLAW- 40k$ per missile
It depends on the situation I saw in the video in Ukraine it's a rapid response shot that destroyed a Russian tank NLAW is more effective but for long range columns and being outnumbered to avoid exposure to the enemy best choice is javelin so for long range best choice javelin for short range & rapid response best choice is NLAW
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Thing is with an NLAW you can fire from pretty much anywhere. Perfect for Urban warfare taking out vehicles passing by or if you're hiding in a closed environment. NLAW also cost a fraction of the Javelin. Javelin as you've correctly pointed out is more powerful and has better range though. But i wouldn't fuck with somebody with an Nlaw haha
don't think the user would really mind which they have in a pinch. being further away from the enemy would definitely be an advantage giving more cover options but having a quicker spot shoot gtfo is also a nice thing!
The Turkish bayraktar tb2 is wiping the columns. The russian soldiers stand no chance. Most of them don't want to be there either. One man to blame. PUTLER
@@YTDumpsterBaby Why are you worried about cost? Its war. Much rather launch a tank anti-missle from 4000 m than 600m. Tank you are shooting will blow you away if they see you at 600m.
The Brits have also sent the Starstreak HVM ground to air system. Fires multiple darts at +Mach 3 for use against helicopters and attack aircraft. The Ukrainians will have a missile for all occasions.
I was trained on HVM shoulder launch and tracked and it’s unstoppable
The NLAW weighs only 12.5 kg (compared to the 22.3 kg of the Javelin), costs only $30k (compared to $200k for the Javelin) and can be fired from within buildings, trenches, etc.
NLAW doesn't have top attack capabilities but the Javelin has a confirm kill top attack ability and is a fire and forget system.
Range wise the Javelin can be shot behind cover or in buildings making it extremely capable.
NLAW is more of a close in anti tank weapon for troops to carry in larger numbers. NLAW will hit tanks on the front or sides. Usually it will not penetrate the front of the best MBTs but against the side armor, it will obliterate any tank in the world, even with ERA.
Same goes for Russian anti tank systems like KORNET E which has top attack function. Tanks in the modern era really are like sitting ducks
@@ConstantineJoseph What do you mean "top attack capabilities"? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the NLAW is meant to do; detonate above the target with the help of sensors and penetrate the top armor of the tank.
@@ConstantineJoseph NLAW over tops tanks and detonates with a proximity sensor.
@@ConstantineJoseph Facts are good to check before commenting
Leaffordes over the TOP is not TOP Attack.
TOP Attack means that the missile climbs really high over the target before slamming down with contact at a steep angle. These missiles cannot be intercepted by Russian dazzlers or Israeli Trophy active protection systems.
The NLAW with the skimming over TOP Attack is completely interceptible by dazzlers and APS systems. If they have those anti ATGM systems.
That is the difference
Well, the NLAW is a squad(10:ish soldiers) to platoon(30:ish) level weapon, the Javelin is a company(150:ish) to battalion(600:ish) level weapon, they are really not in the same niche. The NLAW is there to give AT-capacity to smaller units organically. Just like a squad can have m203 grenade lauchers but not howitzers. Any army should have both (or simillar, there are alternatives for the Javelin role, but I don't know of any real alternatives for the NLAW role).
The javelin has alot of technology for it being old and is still impressive to this day. The infrared technology makes it able to dominate at night as well for those forces that go bang in the night.
But it also expose them. Anyone with good night vision equipment can see where the IR beam is coming from.
@@darkiee69 it actually does not expose the soldiers
@@seanw3792 It gives away their position.
@@darkiee69 There is no IR beam. The Javelin uses IR heat from the target.
That is why it needs a few minutes prep time to cool the IR SENSOR down by using the can of coolant..
The Javelin operator is exposed when he fires.....that produces a heat signature that enemy can identify.
Both extremely effective, and I hope we all continue to equip the Ukrainians with as many as we can.
Both systems have saved Ukrainian lives.
Missed out a unique feature of the NLAW, it has a minimum range of just 20 meters. Ideal for in close situations.
Yes
Excellent for close quarter street fighting
@@aviationiceman9549 just seen a remarkable video of that very thing, knocking out a tank at close range.
@@paulwestwood4417 cool ! But wouldn’t want to be to close, used the old 66 and 94 in the British army! These new ones look pretty good
I can't imagine engaging a tank at 20 meters. That just sounds like suicide.
Somehow that skipped over the most important facts like armour penetration, missile velocity, price per shot, attack modes and production numbers.
In essence both can take out any MBT.. They are top attack and both can easily penetrate deep enough for any armor on top of the tank. The "Javelin cages" don't work. And with NLAW it's a molten copper shape charge that detonates 1 meter above the tank. So no defense. I think it's tandem so a charge first blows the ERA protection and then the shape charge do the real work.
Cost per missile is of no essence. Have you not heard, they are giving them away now for free. :D
@@jonb3150 There is no such thing as free. Someone is paying for it, and that *will* always be a factor.
@@memkiii The west has so much money and resources they don't care. US aid has gone from like 450 million dollars to like 14 billion. Massive amount coming from Europe too, at least the same amount. Then all the donations by charity concerts, fundraising by charities etc. In the end it will probably end up being like 50 billion dollars which was the amount that the entire German military budget was before the since Germany now tripled their military spending.
NLAW is value for money at twenty Thousand Pounds compared to the US Javelin which is also superb
At this point aren't both donated to Ukraine free of charge?
NLAW is faster and lighter(12.5kg) although less powerful, Javelin is more powerful but heavier(22.3kg) and slower to use. Anti tank both are capable with the same warhead to roof function, but because less weight, cost and faster response NLAW wins. Longer range and against some small fortifications Javelin's better though.
Exactly
I believe the UK use Javelins as primary AT weapons and NLAWs as secondary. Javelin have tandem HEAT warheads which do better against ERA bricks and also greater penetration. NLAW warheads form an EFP (like IEDs) which has less overall penetration of the Javelin but still effective against the top armour of MBTs. NLAW is a whole lot cheaper ($20k vs $70k) and whoever is carrying it can fire it. Whereas for Javelin you need to find the guy with a CLU (pun intended).
NLAW also has a soft launch that allow it to be fired from indoors/vehicles etc. Great for urban warfare. I suspect that if the Sov.. Russians ever try to roll armour into Kiev they'll get a shock when their armour gets taken out by NLAWs they never see being launched.
Javelin is also technically "soft launch" but not to the same degree.
where does the Israeli-Singaporean MATADOR fall in ? seems much lighter, shorter range. focusing on urban warfare with soft launch and delay mode warhead
The weight is a misnomer since the guidance portion of the Javelin detaches after launch to be attached to the next missile tube.
Another pro for the NLAW is that it doesnt use IR, which could give away your position trying to set up the shot.
I don't see much evidence of any Russian use of IR detection gear, or even IR goggles. Their tanks, which also lack any such detection equipment, don't even seem to have any proper march procedures. They aren't even scanning for targets. In any case what do you suppose they would be able to do about it in time? It's not as if the guy with the Javelin is sitting there for 5 minutes aiming at the tank before releasing. It's sort of a non issue anyway. Even an older generation RPG is useful against armour, even if it only takes a track off, or damages a sprocket. What they need is more of everything.
I don't believe the Javelin launcher emits any IR that would reveal your position. The seeker on the missile uses passive IR homing to track the target.
It has an IR receiver not an IR emitter. Javelin won't give away your position until you fire it.
Nlaw use a concussion blast over the target's top armor while the Javelin directly hits the target on the top armor.
NLAW best for urban warfare
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when the combat gets deeper into Kyiv, then the NLAW totally wins. The Javelin just causes fear to most Russian tanks because it’s more deadly at ranges and it can ignore the ERA packages with the Tandem warhead
Javelin is not effective in built up areas, as communication devices can confuse the missile. NLAW shorter range and Carl Gustav would be more effective in built up areas.
Javelin's tandem detonating system probably designed to defeat reactive armor.
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Both have their uses. Javelin is best at long range against MBTs in open terrain. NLAW in forest and urban areas.
Swedes really like their AT wepaons. AT4, Carl-Gustaf and Nlaw are all Swedish (Nlaw British/Swedish). Funny how a country that has not been to war for over 200 years care ao much for the bang😂
Both and great and have own advantages over the other. NLAW is not a true fire and forget missile as it does not track a moving tank, it calculates where the moving tank will be when it reaches its target. Soldier can only shoot NLAW with a clear line of sight not through smoke or heavy fog. Javelin is a true fire and forget missile and it can be track a moving target with its IR seeker. Javelin has much longer range and more armor penetration power compared to NLAW. Its optic sight can also be used for recon when missile is not being fired or attached to optical sight. NLAW is cheaper and quicker to fire but you have to be very close to enemy tanks which means odds of person firing NLAW will be spotted and taken out before even firing missile or right after firing it even higher. Javelin can be fired from much longer range and solider firing can reposition before missile even hits target. Both are great to have an compliment each other very well. In any fight Javelin's and NLAW's are all you need to fight an ANTI TANK war.
NLAW best for Urban fighting & read (I believe) its easier to train n fire the system. Plus its great in urban fighting, firing in close spaces without much or little backblast. Russo armour wont wanna be involved in street fighting with squads of Ukrainiums armed with NLAWS amongst the ruins n rubble.
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It appears to me to be more like a Russian RPG direct line of sight. But it's good to have a standoff capability like javelin.. you don't want to be shot by a Russian sniper or infantryman trying to kill a tank.
@@deanbrown2061 nothing like an rpg dude, its a fire and forget missile.
There both terrific tank busters, we all can agree on that! If I have to choose I pick the Javelin!
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"Quantity has a quality of its own"
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So true.
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Best weapon is what you have in hand, so you ask an Ukrainian which one they prefer… it’s the one that can destroy Russian tank.
Javelins are like seek and destroy, tanks have no place to hide and it could be a good cover for nlaw ambush, since both are guaranteed hits , with javelin you are secured ….something like a sniper cover for infantry, when you make an ambush on a large column, you retreat on the sight of the javelins , the pursuing columns will meet their faith with the Javelins from a distance, and the nlaws will make a quick escape
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Russian tanks : NLAW & Javelins
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Can you reload them or are they made for only one shot?
NLAW is one shot, Javelin is reloadable.
@@jrd33 thanks!
@@jrd33 That's quite the advantage for javelins. It's a lot of money to throw away after just a single shot.
@@Thor.Jorgensen Well, an entire NLAW costs less than a Javelin missile. Javelin is generally more sophisticated and capable, but the downsides are that it is more bulky, more expensive, and more complex to learn and use. Both have their advantages.
@@jrd33 Pinned comment: NLAW is £40,000 and Javelin £130,000
If you throw away £40,000 each and every time, that's a lot of money wasted when the 130,000 can be reused. And the Javelin has even higher explosive potential and range than the NLAW.
Except Javelin no other RPG is capable of destroying modern vehicle because they hit straight which could be easily parried by defense system but Javelin could hit from above like hypersonic one which deviate defense syste.
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Thank you to Brits for pumping up my investment as well as France's products and interests. 😉🤑😘
Excocet was another french made missile that Britain made famous and commercially utterly successful.
They compliment each-other perfectly, one is a sniper rifle, the other is a shotgun.
Thank you
I can't imagine it's just 12to 15kg and so powerful. Thought it would be like 50kg 😆
10.8 kg stinger is coming
Now how much does it cost to set one of each off.
NLAW - the fastest way to put a sunroof on a Russian Tank. It's a shame President Poo-tin isn't inside one of them because then peace would return.
The Javelin has its advantages(like range), but the HUGE thing that makes NLAW more useful is that is is capable of firing from more concealed places. The javelin has a back blast that will injure anyone behind or in a concealed area (like a bunker or inside a building). The NLAW however is fully capable of being launched from inside a concealed area - its initial back blast is small and the solid rocket doesn't ignite until it is at a safe distance. This make is a LOT more useful in urban fighting, close range and medium close range. Soldiers can keep hidden and fire from a safe cover much easier. The NLAW can also be fired directly at a downward angle, meaning a soldier can ambush from above a roof, as seen in some recent live war footage
Javelin has soft launch just like NLAW, it won't harm people inside the building. I still wouldn't stand behind either when fired.
The Javelin also has a direct fire feature for taking out walls, bunkers, or top down firing like from on top of a high rise building. I see Javelin as a open terrain anti tank weapon because of its +4000m range and NLAW/AT4 in Urban anti tank and troop carrier weapon because of its under 800m effective range.
Against a tank column in the distance Javelin would be preferred. But against troop carriers in urban areas NLAW is devastating.
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Hey Ukraine..which one do u need???
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the javelin manufacturer helped me pass college algebra so i’m biased
Seriously?
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@@Incogn170 I've got their equipment as well, don't have to do 'em square roots in my head
Seems they both have their place. Javelin for long range field engagement, the NLAW for closer street fighting.
Didn't know the NLAW had such a short range. Thanks
It is like people would choose different shoes or bags for different event - a soldier will do the same and take the NLAW for the casual urban fight and the Javelin for longer range open area combat and the pzF3 for short range urban fights against tanks and the AT4 for the common use! So every system has it features!
Weapon incompatibility is a real problem for western armies, particularly NATO, but on the upside competition ensures the best weapons.
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british use both of these so dont see your point the javelin is used in a dedicated antitank platoon and nlaws are in rifle company sections
@@mawdeeps7691 Indeed they have different functionality but if you look through NATO there is a plethora of different anti-tank weapons. Many countries are sending such weapons to Ukraine where resupply and training must be a nightmare.
They are both brilliant at their job
NLAW Wins, here's why:
It's very easy to use
It's very potent anyways
It's cheaper
It's also got a larger warhead
That warhead goes faster too
It's much easier to hide aswell
It's Swedish, and i love Sweden
Lol no
It's a Swedish and British design 👌. But it depends on how far away you are from the tank with the system you should choose close nlaw distance javelin
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Without taking a price into the picture, Javelin is impressive. 4.5km of range without direct line-of-sight firing.
Some facts are not correct in the video, the weight for example. Another thing to compare is how the missile finds it target. The Rb-57 NLAW look for magnetic signatures while the Javelin flies high and look for thermal signatures. That means that the NLAW also finds "cold" targets.
I would rather carry around an nlaw
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NLAW was built for mobility
Javelin was built for range and defensive situations
How about the price per system and price per missile?
You can really tell a tank hit by a javelin, it’s all blown up. I prefer having a 3000 meter range to fire & forget, then hide. Javelin is the perfect weapon to obliterate the 40 mile convoy to Kyiv.
Agree. But in cities such as Kiev where buildings, electrical wires etc may interfere with javelin guidance, NLAW is better. Also generally guidance from long distance not as important in close city combat. NLAW gear cheaper too
You forgot to mention the very large difference in price! The Javelin is 3-4 times more expensive. So, the long range comes at a high price. Also Javelin is less portable.
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The Javelin is the most superlative anti tank/anti vehicle/anti helo weapon ever made. Make no mistake, I am no keyboard warrior!. I had the pleasure of using this weapon in training and war games many times.... It is a total game changer. The N-Law is great but the Javelin for its range, portability, accuracy and adaptability to any terrain is the benchmark for today's weapons and tomorrows. All future ATGMs that are being developed today are still benchmarked against the Javelin!
Whats about the german anti tank missile ?
Are these only good for one shot, or can you load another projectile?
Yes... You can load
The pansarskott 86 that we swedes also sent are one use only. They are good for light armor, light fortifications and knocking the track of tanks etc. And it is extremely simple. Civilian militia can use it.
Price differences?
Both have their purpose.
Javelin is much better for open environments where range and night capability is important.
NLAW is a much better pick for closer engagements (especially urban) where the enemy tank can be seen in daylight.
Price?
Missed out a few things. cost, NLAW is about 20k javelin 70k, javelin has a really good sight that is detachable and is very useful in its own right. So you get 3 NLAWs for 1 Javelin.
Also firing angle NLAW can be fired down out of buildings at tanks but Javelins can't really be used like that.
Javelins can also take out helicopters. NLAWs you would have to be a very good shot, because it is not guided.
NLAW takes about 30secs to setup Javelins take a few minutes.
NLAWs take 2-3 hours to learn to fire, Javelins is several days. Official course is 10 days
So you need both. They do different jobs. Both are good at what they are designed to do.
The Javelin cost 250K....
I saw in another video that the NLAW is a single use weapon. Assuming the Javelin can be reloaded, it could be cheaper in the long run.
This doesn't mention that Saab partially developed the NLAW
Correct me if I'm wrong but the angle of attack or trajectory from the missiles are different as well. The NLAW is almost linear, explodes right above the tank, hitting the weakest armor while the Javelin upon firing, rockets upward then dives to top of the tank. Having said that, would active protection like those installed in new Abrams and Armatas, negate the success NLAWS is having with older Soviet Era tanks?
So if the russian tactic ist artellerie focused (as some experts say) the Javelin would be the better choice to hit the artellerie tanks? Right?
Not at artillery ranges. You'd need to patrol up to the gun line to get a shot at the arty, so you've got a choice of lugging the Javelin 2000m away or two NLAW 600m away.
They both have pro and cons. I think I would prefer the option of having more range or distance from someone that is trying to kill me.
If you're in a city or highly dense forest. The NLAW would be superior. Takes 5 seconds to fire can detonate within 20 meters. No cumbersome aiming with IR and the distance is much shorter in urban areas and dense forest.. The Javelin is better for longer range attacks..
So in reality having both is optimal, it covers any situation.
Great information k thanks
Thanks brother
I've learned how guided missiles work
Long jab for range, uppercut for when they get close. Both weapons systems being used by the same army? Super effective!
Yes
Add the cost effective Carl Gustaf with 11 different projectiles and the AT4 (CS) and the family of AT is complete. Open fields, suburbs, cities, long/short distance.
Good info...HATE the slow "handwritten" presentation.
so, give me a suggestion
Both seem to work well and can deliver plenty of love 2 Russian tanks, either one work 4 me. 😎
You doesn't mansion warhead weight
If they've got Javelin it's a mystery why that huge Russian column has been pretty much unmolested as it sits in a 40 odd mile queue prepping for it's attack.
I like both but I will give due credit to the British they come up with some damn good weaponry from what ive seen lately and glad they are our allies
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Britan dident disignr the nlaw sweden did
Javelin is the only long range thing the Ukraines have outside of artillery which has to be dwindling fast.
Nlaw is great, but the range is an RPG.
Exactly
Let's not pretend that the NLAW is not a crossver design of the javelin. 🤫
If I had a Russian column bearing down on me; personally I'd rather have 5 guys with NLAW's than one with a Javelin. But, I think we can all agree that the Ukrainians will happily use either to take out a Russian vehicle!
seems like Ukrainian ambushes combine both, they use the Javelins for the first volley, than procced with the NLAW to finish the remaining staggerers
Supposedly the tungsten dart in the NLAW is helping to pop the turrets on T90s because of the positioning of the auto loader.
Yes
Problem with Russian tanks has always been auto loader detonations.
But like anything military, find the weakness…..and exploit it!!
so how expensive is a NLAW?
I only know that javelin is like 98000usd
What about the stinger?
Please see the another video
Just remember that it is a Swedish design, NOT British.
The real benefit of the nlaw is cost.
It's MUCH cheaper than a Javelin.
St. Javelin
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Can hitting a TOS-1 set of the missiles? It won't have the area effect of them being fired, but could make a nice spread out bonfire.
How much it cost ?
You forgot the prices difference. Nlaw is way cheaper. So you could use 5-10x more rockets. But both have their terrain where it is usefuller
Can you show the Javelin a picture of a tank, fire in a general direction and it will hit a tank ?
You have lock on what you want to shoot
Now tanks and armored vehicles are easy targets in modern warfare, they should be unmanned and smaller otherwise theyre just steel coffins
US has both & Many others that áre Even better (some heavier & súper powerful others súper lightweight & custom Made for softer targets)
The Javelin can be used against low flying helicopters in direct attack mode. Can the NLAW be used against helicopters?
No
Yes, in direct attack mode. But not realistically if the helicopter is moving fast or erratically.
@@jrd33 so only if it is attacking, landing, taking off, close and heading away, or heading mostly towards you?
Edit: if moving fast close heading away, or fast mostly towards you. Slow it doesn't matter.
@@chrissinclair4442 Sounds about right.
Comrade Ruskie dislikes this.
Luckily Ukraine has both and has held them off because they don't like BBQ. The UK gave them 500 in January to get the ball rolling. Then another 2000 to play with.
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If need to destroy a tank before it makes me disappear I will take the effective range of 4.5 k meters. That’s some serious stay out of the way capabilities. No one drives a tank alone, so that range gives plenty of time to run away from the rest of the now evaporated tanker’s buddies. (This comment went through three edits to get around UA-cam auto censorship,)
The Javelin missile weighs about 35 lbs. Subsonic speed is 609 mph.
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