Is Tarantino Overrated? - Hot Takes
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Tarantino is a great director but certainly not up there with the greatest ever , simply due to the fact that he has never really stretched himself beyond revenge/violent crime movies. The best are always the most versatile and can succeed across the genres.
Very well said 👍
Properly respected amongst cinephiles but overrated amongst casual audiences
What does that mean
@@anthonymartensen3164 it means casual audiences dont really like auteur filmmakers because its too sophisticated for them
Eh, he's still overrated among cinephiles.
I think it's actually the opposite lol.
Well put!
Nicolas Cage (love him or hate him) has made some indisputably wonderful movies.
mandy and wild at heart are two of my all time faves
“I’m a vampiya! I’m a vampiya!”
@@sweetjamyams7281 Lol “Vampire’s Kiss” was just goofy - I was thinking more like “Birdy” or “Leaving Las Vegas,” but I also really liked “Valley Girl,” “Peggy Sue Got Married,” among others.
@@Wildcock23 Yeah! jokes aside, Nicolas Cage is actually a fantastic actor. When he’s given the right script.
I think cage knows when he's working with a director and screenplay that is going to work well and match what he does 'wild at heart' 'bring out your dead' 'adaptation' and recently 'mandy', I think he also knows when to go balls to the wall with mediocrity because at least that way the film will at least be memorable from his over the top performance.
Jackie Brown was QT best film. That is because the late great Elmore Leonard who wrote the book Rum Punch co-wrote the screenplay. Elmore Leonard’s other great adaptation was 52 Pick-Up. Great film.
Yes, every movie he made after that one has always been somewhat of a disappointment to me because he's never tried to make anything of that kind of quality again. I like some of his newer films up to a point but I'm always disappointed.
@@Fedorevsky Yes, and Jackie Brown had the least amount of graphic violence. It was more implied or not shown graphically.
Get Shorty and Out of Sight are pretty good too.
I saw Reservoir Dogs in the early 1990s. Since it was long before social media, the dialog had more of an impact. Back in the 1990s a serious discussion about Madonna or about the logic of tipping by a group of petty criminals felt like a revelation. These days it just feels like something you see every time you open up Twitter or Facebook, but it does testify to Tarantino's greatness as a director that he anticipated a type of communication that did not yet exist. I do think that without Michael Madsen and the palpable sense of evil he was able to convey the film would have been forgettable, even back then.
I really find it hard to believe though that Tarantino actually invented this type of dialogue between characters that was about tipping, food or Madonna. Or pop culture references in general. Even when I first saw Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, certain dialogue sequences kind of reminded me a little of Lynch era Blue Velvet (Heineken/Paps Blue Ribbon) and Twin Peaks (coffee and cherry pie). Which were often quoted a fair bit at my school at the time. And even back in the 90's, Tarantino was considered to be the first rockstar director which ahem, blatantly false again. It almost seemed like he just jumped in the footsteps of other popular directors before him. I think at that point, the mantle kind of shifted from Lynch to Tarantino.
However, he's certainly an extremely talented director, no doubt about that, but his writing, I mean asides from a handful of his films, is he REALLY that good?
Homo Sapiens have been communicating like that in cafes and bars for centuries. Tarantino did not invent it. And I don’t think he invented the concept of putting into dialogue in film. The French new wave, which he takes a lot from, has lots of moments like that.
@@Muskateering I guess it might be more accurate to say that Reservoir Dogs was the first time I noticed that style of conversation about popular culture. Perhaps it's because Tarantino has a lighter touch than David Lynch. In Blue Velvet a lot of the references to popular culture are surrounded by symbolism and "meaning." In Reservoir Dogs they're just sort of tossed off to pass the time while eating breakfast.
Criminals having trivial conversations was a revelation? Most of the conversations people have are trivial. I don't need Tarantino or Twitter to teach me that. In any case that kind of dialogue in Pulp Fictions feels clunky and sock-puppety. You can hear Tarantino speak through them.
I wouldn’t say he’s overrated but he has made some sub par movies for his standards but he has some great films that deserve his earned status as one of the best to do it
I respect your opinon on Tarantino, but i love his movies and it took time to understand Inception and now i love that movie.
Great video Maggie and take care and stay safe 👍🏻.
Here is another hot take: Most Oscar bait films and Oscar nominated films are mediocre and forgettable.
I completely agree with that, nomadland especially is one that I just couldn’t fathom why people thought it was so amazing.
@@zakrowe1301 It didn't always used to be that way. I blame Harvey Weinstein and his campaign legacy. It's still being felt. On top of that the academy is snobby. People don't like snobs.
Although the only awards I agree with was Lord of the Rings, the movie took too long to make with an unforgettable journey
@@davideoliveirapinheiro1096 Jesus Christ...guess the Oscars were never cultured
Not a hot take
Maggie are you going to read the new Tarantino novel?
it struck me when you talked about promising young woman how impactful i've found i may destroy you a 10 part drama series that delves deeply into sexual assault and rape - suggest you see it - i as a man increased my awareness of this sensitive area by watching - tarantino - i am a big fan but ultimately he is an entertainer and you can watch his movies from differet vantage points, different degrees of expectations and analyse them at different levels - i find it difficult to judge his work by ranking but i am saddened that he has hinted that his next project could be his last - extended vs theatrical - i wish i had time to see all the extended versions - cage - his best work is his early work - leaving las vegas being 5 star but also work with coppola - moonstruck, captain corelli's mandolin etc
Inception is just a movie where Leonardo DeCaprio spends the whole Movie saying the word - "Moll"
Tarantino's strength in my opinion is in his dialogue. I'm always hanging on to every word his characters are saying. My favorites of his are still Django Unchained and Pulp Fiction.
and yet it's also his downfall.He glorifies in movies that should be lean or mean.....And the longer they get, the more dialogue should be cut.
The last four movies could lose 45' minutes each easy. And they would still not measure up to some of the classic mean movies.
Peter Jackson/ Spielberg/ Tarantino all have a serious problem with killing their darlings.
Same for Fury Road......
What dialogue? You mean a bunch of dummies in a warehouse lol Lets just tell it like it it is: Tarantino is an imitator of imitators and of garbage from the 70s, and his films are pathetic dumb garbage on the same level as Marvel movies wtf🤦♂️😅😂🤣
One of Taratino's greatest dialogue scenes was from a movie that Tarantino wrote the screenplay for, but didn't direct. The Sicilian scene from True Romance.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was my favorite Tarantino film since Pulp Fiction. I like how he mixed genres together in RD, PF and OUTH - a true post modernist filmmaker. The problem with all of his other films - and why I disliked them - is because he focused solely on the subgenre, instead of mixing the subgenres together with drama/comedy at its core. If you don't Blackexploitation, you're not going to like Foxy Brown. If you don't like Kung Fu movies, you won't like Kill Bill. If you're not into Western or War films/period pieces, you won't the Hateful 8 or Inglorius Bastards. I found his films far better when the sub genres were mixed in, rather than when they were the central idea.
Tarantino IS overrated. I am so glad you have raised this topic. It is true that Pulp Fiction is a seminal movie in film history and became extremely influential but 27 years later, you would expect Tarantino to stop remaking it instead of turning out Pulp Fiction Goes To Hollywood. He just doesn't seem capable of saying anything beyond some very clever dialogue. Take The Hateful Eight, for example. It's like Reservoir Dogs becomes a Western. It goes on for 3 hours! What is the point of this movie? Why keep rehashing old ideas?
You have to say dialogue and set pieces of brilliant filmmaking are still Tarantino's strengths but tonally and thematically, he is one-dimensional. Think of Scorsese as a comparison. He made Mean Streets in 1973 and went on to do The Irishman in 2019. Whatever you think of the two films, you have to say he has changed and matured.
I wouldn't say Mean Streets and The Irishman are so different from each other....
Look at Hugo and Silence, or
Taxi Driver and the Aviator!
Take Spielberg for example, as well....
Look at Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Schindler's List, or Jurassic Park and Amistad!
Scorsese and Spielberg are such versatile directors....
It's really amazing.....
tarantino's best movies were before he was allowed a huge budget which is what happened after kill bill.
inglourious basterds and django unchained were okay but lacked the finer film noir aspects of his earlier films.
the hateful eight is essentially a rehashed version of reservoir dogs.
I was a big fan of Tarantino in my teens, but after high school I immensely started to dislike him due to his cockiness, & arrogance. I have only started becoming a fan again recently when I saw The Hateful Eight. I thought it was fantastic & I love the isolated winter blizzardy atmosphere, & his use of Morricone's unused score from The Thing really added to the suspense (Morricone's score for the film itself was fantastic).
I missed out on seeing it in cinemas due to personal reasons, so I made sure I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as soon as I was able to, & I loved it so much, particularly the ending. I then caught up with Inglourious Basterds & Django Unchained. I liked them, but I did start to feel the lengths. Surprisingly, I felt Hateful Eight & Hollywood didn't feel too long for me. They're also my favourites.
I think he has matured more than his early days. The Tarantino of the 90's couldn't have made Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which has a moving ending for me (after the massacre I mean, with Rick Dalton meeting Sharon).
I've gone back to Reservoir Dogs after not having seen it in years, & although I enjoyed it, it also felt a bit sloppy & amateurish. The writing is what makes that film. I would say he is overrated to a degree.
i thought Inception was alright, but it tried way too hard to be deep & confusing, when I found it relatively easy to follow. The ending I thought was just basically taken from Blade Runner, but without the memorability of it. Other directors that focus on dreams, or have dream like atmospheres (like Lynch, or Bergman), handled dreams much more artistically brilliant than Nolan did.
I respect Nolan more for a technician & his passion for celluloid (I'm a still photographer & LOVE film), rather than for his films themselves. I can enjoy them, but I don't think he is as thought provoking or deep as people make him out to be, although I enjoyed Tenet very much. I loved it the first time, but I saw it again, & although I still enjoyed it, I felt it wasn't as good the second time knowing what to expect.
Nic Cage is an Icon
I hate this thoughtless cliché critique 'style over substance' - when done right, style IS substance and not everything should be obligated to be deeper than that
I cannot disagree more.
@@pbarnette good for you.
Thank you, someone has to say that. That critique is used so arbitrarily and poorly that it might as well not be used at all and we'd be better off. Kinda like calling things pretentious. Style IS substance, the depth that cinema can reach will always be based on the power of the single image and of the visual language, tarkovsky isn't deep because there's a lot of "meaning" to be taken out of the five minutes long shots panning over grass, he's great because of the experience that his stories give. Most of what people throw under this dumb umbrella of "style" are actually the fundamental tools of cinematic storytelling.
I've made many arguments for why style informs substance well, in good films with pronounced aesthetics. But as you said - it only works when it's done right. Figuring out how and why it works is the more interesting argument, and the more difficult one.
You’re absolutely right. The division between “style” and “substance” is basically an artificial one. One becomes part of the other so often that those categories just melt away, in my opinion.
The subject matter of Once Upon a Time could have created an incredible one.
Retry: He's not overrated but I would definitely say he's highly overpraised. His movies are just very dialogue heavy and to a lot of people that comes off as being good in and of itself. His movie Once Upon a Time In Hollywood is overrated in my opinion and has the same feeling as Wolf of Wall Street which I feel is overrated as well. This is odd because Leo is one of my favorite actors, and Scrosese is one of my favorite directors. I would not be surprised if we find out 10 or so years from now that he left most of the movie up to AD's and didn't do a whole lot himself because it feels way too off for it to be a Scorsese movie. I also don't understand all the overacting and comedic tone to the movie. But since I had to redo the comment I don't think anyone will see it anyway lol.
i would love to see you review Lost River. i believe Ryan Gosling directed it and it’s got that synth/dark but beautiful tone to it.
Promising young woman played like it was written by a 13 year old girl, for 13 year old girls
I'm not sure he's overrated (it depends on what that word means in context), but I've personally never been a big fan. On the other hand, I've got nothing against him. He's passionate about what he does and his love of cinema is infectious. His approach to filmmaking, dialogue, etc., however, just doesn't do it for me - high effort, solidly produced curios just conventional enough to be attractive to mass audiences.
Just curious even the kill bills ?
@@metalfacemoviereviews8979 I didn't want to ramble on too much, but in actual fact - no, I rather like the Kill Bills (though I'm still the rare person who prefers vol. 1 to vol. 2).
Long story short, whenever I re-watch a Tarantino film, it's always either Reservoir Dogs or the Kill Bills.
I think what sets Kill Bill 1 apart for me is that it's less talky and more kinetic, if that makes sense. Tarantino lets the action do more of the talking in that one, and it's just a bit of a different side of him that I found amusing and entertaining. Part 2 went back to ye olde dialogue deluge (though I still like it).
I take it the Kill Bills stand out for you as well?
Back in the 90s i would say not at all but today yes Tarantino definitely is overrated. I've since lost respect for him tbh in how he chose to portray Bruce Lee in such a cheap and exaggerated manner in order to justify his one character at the end of that OUATIH movie he did.
@Kath Octogon Yeh she gotta have been upset, it must have been hurtful for her.
Thank you for commenting on my Tarantino post. I really like your channel because you take film seriously. My personal favorite living directors are David Lynch, Paul Thomas Anderson, Lars von Trier, Béla Tarr and Michael Haneke . This probably explains why i cannot take Tarantino seriously.
Satantango rebooted by Tarantino would be interesting, especially the opening. Samuel Jackson would emerge from behind a dilapidated shed and exclaim "I've had it with these motherfucking cows in this motherfucking farmyard in this motherfucking East European country."
Michael Haneke is overvaluated
@@thomascuriel7611 Why?
@@pbarnette Because is a pedant.i hate the Control TV in Funny games. Why it's interesting?
@@thomascuriel7611 Is it only Funny Games you have a problem with?
Nicolas Cage is so iconic in Kick-Ass
Tarantino IS overrated.
His best? Jackie Brown (which apparently is his LEAST favorite.) His last several have been unwatchable - I suspect he's developed a problem with alcohol or narcotics.
02:57 yes this is how i feel about many filmakers even the greastest, sometimes less is more
I actually agree about the LOTR theatrical cuts. Especially the two towers. The two towers just flows much better with the theaterical version than the extended version . I do think Fellowship is the best extended cut though. But I love the LOTR films so I'm a little biased lol
I think Tarantino is a genius in his own cinematic language. I think his scripts are excellently done. I still think Pulp Fiction is his masterpiece. The Hateful Eight, Django Unchained, Reservoir Dogs, and Basterds are amazing. I loved Once Upon a Time in Hollywood a lot, a lot of what was shown was brilliant, but I notice he neglects some aspects in order to elevate others: he insists in calling the Manson familiy hippies (they where far from being hippies) , and the overall biased insulting perception of Bruce Lee. Flawd or not, Bruce Lee is a cherished asian figure who worked very hard to find his place and Tarantino made him a buffon to elevate Cliff Booth. It was like humilliating Jane Fonda to make Sharon Tate look good.
some his characters call them hippies and from afar they would appear that way to most people. I bet the book version has a lot more characterization of the Family, which he seems very interested in. His depiction of Lee is apparently based on the impression American stunt workers had of him. Apparently he was quite abusive and disrespected them for being trained in cinematic fakery and not martial arts.
7:55 very true. Promising Young Woman reminded me a lot of Under the Silver Lake, but where instead of toxic femininity it's about toxic masculinity. Ironically enough Under the Silver Lake got a lot of shit for actually going into those themes.
I love Under the Silver Lake
Yes
Tarantino isn't necessarily overrated, as long as no one who appreciates his idiosyncratic gift for earworm banter, then also pretends he's a deeply insightful and humane artist expressing profoundly revelatory epiphanies about the source, nature and obligations of relationary dependent higher sentience - rather than a clever pastiche subverter who innovatively pulls from incongruous sources from his assembled references for pandering to two distinctly disperate yet equally shallow sensibilities of art house snobs and exploitation philistines that somehow complement each other into a uniquely glib pop vanity of Tarantino's own patented characterizations.
Tarantino shrewdly employs sensai cinematographer Robert Richardson to surround his rhythmically vulgar repartee in vapidly pedantic mundanity with a sublime visual sophistication that's undeniably first class cinema.
Coen Bros are of similar ilk, where their primary aspiration has always been just to impress having fun in the sandbox milieu of shared love for exhilarating cinema while their tongues are firmly planted in cheek rather than any sort of lump stuck in their throat. I'd say the same can be favorably said for Michael Bay, although his signature staple isn't auteur in proper since he doesn't also write the screenplays to which he embellishes.
PT Anderson, I think is beyond surface level technical revelry, because he has an impulse to explore human vulnerabilities in earnest. And the truest reason for art is to use aesthetic to say something authentic about our shared existence and its nearly imperceivable trepidations, wonders, plights and delight. Not just try to be cool or cute for counterfeit clique clout.
Tarantino is properly rated.
I have enjoyed his historical revisionist movies a lot. They are playful in the way that his films always are, but also substantive in terms of thoughtfulness.
I didn't think he was overrated until I saw The Hateful Eight (unmitigated garbage).
He's basically resuscitating a thought-dead genre, blaxploitation and kung-fu, with his own brand of street-wise, quasi-Skakespearean dialogue. Other filmmakers, like Lucas and Spielberg have done the same, taken a genre they loved as kids and updated it with modern technology, with Star Wars and Indiana Jones, which kind of pigeonholed them into a juvenile mode of thinking. Spielberg thankfully graduated into historical dramas. Tarantino is juvenile. I'd like to say he's overrated but his films are so exceptionally well-crafted (due in large part to cinematographer Robert Richardson) and infused with such angry passion that I can't bring myself to say it.
I do think Tarantino is overrated. However I still think Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are really excellent, bordering on classics. But after that his films did lack something which once made him great. But Once Upon A Time In Hollywood is his best since Jackie Brown.
they left out the taming of the shire which i believe is when saruman dies
I love QTs new direction, but I love westerns.
Drastically!
What about how overrated Tom Hanks is? He plays the same regular guy in every movie. You could exchange any of his characters in any of his movies and it would not change the arc or direction of the film. After Forest Gump, I was done with him. If his acting was food it would be a slice of white bread, or cold oatmeal.
I couldn't possibly disagree with you any more. He's the best actor ever.
Tarantino is polarizing for me. I think it started with Kill Bill. There's a lot I like about the two movies but I think he could have easily cut them down into one, and as a result the overall experience feels a bit bloated. I absolutely cannot stand Inglourious Basterds, from the basic premise of the movie, to the characters, to the pacing and plot. Deathproof is absolutely one of my favorites of his later movies.
His later movies sometimes feel over-indulgent, and that really annoys the shit out of me. I commend him for making the movies he wants to make, but those aren't always the movies I want to watch.
I loved Kill Bill vol.1 - it's over the top and an action film and I don't particularly care for action films but I loved it. Part 2 was supposed to be deeper. I love deep films with characters but I hated Vol.2 LOL
@@Starkardur Yeah, I can't say for certain that I hated Vol. 2, but I was definitely disappointed by it. It wasn't nearly as good as Vol. 1.
@@rars0n Maybe I should to give vol.2 a second chance, I got sick in the movie theater while watching it. LOL
@@Starkardur By all means, let me know. But I wasn't a fan.
I literally adore Pulp Fiction to death. I also really like Reservoir Dogs and H8full Eight and Once Upon a time in Hollywood. I dig Tarantino as a director
My favourite Tarantino film is ‘Kill Bill Vol. 1’.
That's the Babel Tower Miss. Don't worry too much about it.
I'm an original Tarantino fan. I saw Reservoir Dogs and True Romance before anyone knew him. Having said that, he is very overrated. To use a metaphor, he is not a great rock band, he is the best cover band around.
Tarantino works best when he uses source novels as his post-Jackie Brown work is all over the place and needs editing
I don't think he's overrated but I haven't loved anything be has done since Django. I do think Nolan has become a bit overrated in recent years.
Dude, Tarantino has interviews with black reporters and he starts talking with a different accent and slang, almost as if he's trying to talk black. It's excruciatingly cringey. The guy is a complete clown. I always found his films to be pretentious and indulgent, and over the years of hearing him talk, I can assert that the guy is a complete insufferable doofus. I can't believe how revered the guy is. Hopefully time will tell all.
@@Psychedelicgothicpink big time hipster moment
I definitely think his films don’t stand the test of time. They are very much confined to a specific 20 year period of pop culture taste in cinematic entertainment, and will continue to devalue and devalue, while other films they were not as popular in the moment slowly rise and eclipse him.
Tarantino overrated? Lol.... we're fucking lucky to have him making films...
Yes, it's not that he borrows stuff from other movies (other directors do that). His movies are just often overlong, boring with dialogue that has little point (this is after Jackie Brown) and pointless scenes. The violence in his movie never bother me because they are usually what is to be expected and isn't anything special. Kill Bill vol.2 was so frustrating to sit through and some of the dialogue I felt I was actually watching something that was mimicking Trantino.
Tarantino is a hack. He's done two great films. Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs.
extended versions, especially for movie series like Lord of the Rings.....more people have access to those type of movies...
Finally! I thought I was on a different planet!!! I downright hate Inception, and full disclosure: I'm a huge Nolan fan otherwise. Inception never sat right at all however. Everyone always told me how deep it was, I was always like "No, that was a GQ magazine with a pretentious plot and cardboard charecters I didn't give a fuck about" I only watched it one time, and have never read a single article explaining it, that's how non existent of a shit I gave.
Yeah just because there are multiple dream layers doesn't mean the movie itself is actually deep, lol.
Hmm, yes and no. I do think he deserves the credit he receives but some of his films are too long and self indulgent. He has amazing dialogue and writing but his pacing and flow could use some improvement.
I think Inception is my favorite Nolan movie - but even I always thought it could have been more "dream-like"
Yeah the irony is that that movie is far too rational.
Interstellar is my favourite Nolan film. I’ve been meaning to go back to memento aswell.
I agree. He has 2 great movies I love, the rest is fine.
Totally agree
Gotta disagree with you about inception. I really think it's a masterwork of filmmaking. The cinematography, practical effects, set pieces, and core character conflicts are fascinating to follow and I will absolutely never forget the masterwork of Lee Smith's intercutting during the third act of the movie, for the different layers of the dream world. I found Leo's character pretty compelling, and it just feels like throughout the film, Nolan has a total grasp and hand in everything you are seeing/hearing, which is refreshing.
Interesting points! I have an idea for a video, maybe you could do a list of pretentious directors (not necessarily overrated). I'd say for example Darren Aronofsky is pretentious (imo)
Tarantino becomes less & less interesting as I get older. Pulp Fiction was just a peak that was never topped.
it's either the most original hollywood flick or the most accessible arthouse film of the last 30 years.
Jackie Brown is pretty great 😘
I’d put reservoir dogs, django, kill bill 1 and 2, Jackie brown and hateful eight over pulp fiction
Jackie Brown is better, and it's no surprise the movie was an adaptation.
fair enough if you enjoy Jackie Brown more, but it's hard to imagine it ever superseding the reputation of Pulp Fictions ambition and importance to cinema.
You know how it goes. I needed you last night. Bad. I'm convinced I'm going to need you again in two months. Otherwise, go on.
Tarantino stole the movie City in Fire and did not admit to stealing it from him, but mentioned other films and then came back and confessed to stealing ten minutes,
Pulp Fiction is also an idea of Roger Avary and the narrative of the film is taken from the Italian movie Black Saturday, Kill Bell in which he stole a group of fighting films and then he will say it's a homage! All of his films are rumors and there is no independent innovation, even his dialogues and sentences take him from others
Yes.
Extended editions of LOTR is the only way to watch
I love Nicolas Cage. I don't care what people say, he has done some great roles. I like to watch him go crazy.
Cage? Wtf🤦♂️😅 Just because he looks great compared to the garbage actors of today's doesn't make him any good. All those Pitts, Cages, DeCaprios and the rest of them are pathetic garbage compared with the golden age actors (and I don't mean Brando, Dean, Monroe and all the later m0r0ns lol)
Yes
I remember Jonathan Ross telling Tarantino to stop using music from other films, as it takes him out of it and it becomes a game of ‘spot the music’.
you could just... not "spot the reference"? I know i do that and just focus on the story
@@purplewine7362 well... the story is a reference to another film
How can you not spot the reference
@Ramona Ripley I get what you're saying but that's a bold statement to say *"every"* movie but yeah I get what you're saying. But there are some directors/writers that are completely original
Problem with being a hipster autistic nerd.... I love being able to just enjoy things for what they are and not always be trying to read more into things....9 times out of 10 you way off the mark anyway...
Curious if you watched Twin Peaks The Return, would love to hear your thoughts on it and of the take that it's as much an 18 part film as it is a season of television.
Yes, and she doesn't which is worse, that or Tarantino's garbage, infact both Lynch and Tarantino are pretentious boring garbage and imitators of imitators of the real cinema of the golden age lol
🙄 @@EasternRomeOrthodoxy
The Nic Cage take is on point. The weirdest thing about the current naturalist/ "realistic" acting trend is that most of the time in films we watch, the characters are in utterly absurd circumstances. Its necessarily why we're watching. Except the actors give all these restrained performances. Because this is what's seen as good and naturalistic. Nic Cage just gives the intensity and expression and absurdity these absurd circumstances require. The only time his performances seem bad is when his partners give absolutely nothing back. Or the director is also obsessed with muted performances. In which case, why hire Cage?
Exactly
This was fun! DFL is so insightful and articulate. I really appreciate her perspective on films. Thanks!
Four upsides to the Theatrical versions over the Extended cut.
- They just flow better (especially Fellowship which loses its snappy pacing)
- Some of the added humor can be really cringy (Think Aragon reacting to Eowyn's crappy cooking. Is this really what we want in a LOTR movie? Or Merry and Pippin finding the Orcs weed-stash after the ents attack)
- Some of the added stuff feels superfluous (Think Faramir's flashback to finding Boromir's corpse in the boat. That even deflates the moment. The punchiness of him just telling the tale to Frodo had a bigger impact).
- The added scenes of heft are... of varied quality. (Seeing Faramir and Boromir together in Osgiliath feels like you genuinely missed an important moment. But stuff like Faramir and Eowyn romancing after the battle... feels kind of fleeting and doesn't add much to their snap-wedding. Leaving out Saruman's death was a felony but... honestly... the scene itself isn't that good. It certainly doesn't carry the punch the death of such a momentous villain should carry. Seeing him thud into that big industrial wheel is poetic and all considering how he destroyed nature... but also kind of feel like a plopping comedic thud in how its excecuted).
I'll await my reply from Deepfocuslens the Wise, Maggie of Many Movie Opinions, Young Raven-Haired, She Who Sits Before the Sofa. :D
I've always felt the theatricals were better. There are some truly great extended scenes, but very few that made me think, "Yeah, that was necessary."
Reservoir Dogs is so fucking overrated.
I think 80’s movies get dismissed/shit on way too much by people who consider themselves cinephiles. If you look past the cheesy fun vibes you’ll find real substance in films like the Breakfast Club and Predator
Those movies have subtext, but only because the writers are simply following the Syd Field blueprint that requires theme and subtext to qualify as a passable script. But there is nothing groundbreaking, innovative, or insightful about those movies.
He copies scenes from older movies exactly he doesn't even deviate. He's not that good. If you know how to watch movies, he's not that good. He appeals to like teenagers
Kill Bill is my favorite by far. I also loved Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown and Reservoir Dogs. I probably rewatch Reservoir Dogs the most. I liked Inglorious Basterds, Hateful Eight and Django (but feel less need to rewatch them as much as I rewatch those earlier ones). Enjoyed Once Upon a Time In Hollywood a lot.
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He's got his "thing". Theres nothing wrong with it til he kind of falls into self parody sometimes. In fact, all the "big" directors fall into that at some point. I do find some of his earlier work tighter tho.
his best 2 by far are reservoir dogs and once upon a time in... Hollywood.
@@crobeastness Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is so boring it hurts.
@@Lerppunen how is that even possible to say? It's so exciting, I had to take my sweater off in the theater.
@@crobeastnessBy far? Not a chance. Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds, Kill Bill and Django are all far better films.
@@Skrenja I'll give you pulp fiction and inglorious bastards. We just have a difference of opinion there, but kill bill and Django unchained just aren't on that level.
I rewatched 'Jackie Brown' a few days ago and it is an extremely good but still flawed film. It's so true what you say about watching Tarantino films in your youth and feeling the "Woh! This is sssso cool!" factor!
What struck me on this rewatch, was that I felt myself wishing somebody other than De Niro had played the Louis role. He is very good but just De Niro being De Niro, with the greatest of respect. To be honest, the person who stuck out on this viewing and I thought did a great job and hardly ever seems to get a mention, was Bridget Fonda. There was not a moment I felt like she was acting for the camera and the way she taunts Louis before her sad demise in the car park is very affecting. Hey, seeing her in this has even made me want to go back and check out 'Single White Female' for a laugh, possibly. I must watch 'Reservoir Dogs' too and find out how that stands up these days. I have a feeling I might be a little bit nitpicky on that one
'Inception'. I never saw it as high art and there are things about it that certainly could have been done much better. I just take it as a Mission Impossible/ James Bond style heist movie with a neat 'dream' concept thrown in. As far as dreams and the way they feel is concerned, I have had some very hyperreal ones recently, where when I have woken up I am like sh1t, I want to go back there. I wasn't feeling, as far as I can recall anything other than I was in my normal 'every day' awake world
Terribly overrated and pretentious
About Inception... The dreams can't be dream-like because big pieces of that plot rely on not being able to distinguish a dream from reality... Feel like the point was kinda missed there by that commenter.
Inception was never meant to be Lynchian though. For a mainstream actioner, which is is, its so much better than its competition. It can be interesting to imagine what a film could've been if it was more ambitious or explored a certain concept deeper but especially with million budget blockbusters like Inception you have to judge it for what it is. It's not an arthouse film and it was never trying to be. To quote tarantino, you deliver the goods of the genre but present it in a way you haven't seen it before. If it was to really delve into the surreal quality that reflects the way people really dream it would've probably alienated most of the audience. It'd be like going from the mulholland drive diner scene to the shootout from Heat.
90s quentin isnt overrated at all. 2000s quentin is a bit overrated.
Comparing "Inception" do David Lynch dream sequences is just silly. I do not for a second believe that Nolan was trying to accurately depict dreaming. This is a movie about moviemaking! Their objective is to put on a show for their mark, and inspire an emotional reaction. Added to which, the people on Dicaprio's team have functions very much like a film crew: Producer (Gordon-Levitt), Production Designer (Page), Financier (Watanabe), etc.
I was just about to write a comment about this. The dreams in Inception are designed to be realistic and logical so that the team can accomplish their mission. The dreamer is not meant to realize they are dreaming.
Perhaps he actually should've made a movie about film making then 😉 I agree that as a movie about dreams it was quite boring, uninteresting and far too logical/ rational. Really overrated movie imo.
@@mabusestestament Tenet is more dreamlike than Inception
@@mabusestestament exactly dreams aren't logical
Nolan is great but Inception is a blatant Paprika rip off
Yes! You should absolutely see Inception again.
I'd click on your review so fast.
Anyway though, I think in the movie, Nolan explored the dream world while sticking to realism. And an argument can be made that this makes the dream world not as interesting as it is in Surrealist Cinema but I don't think Nolan was going for Surrealism. If Surrealism, especially in films, seeks to mimic the state of the unrestrained mind, to dive deep into the subconscious, to recreate the process of dreams in film form, then Nolan's filmmaking style is quite the opposite of that: it is a deconstruction, taking the medium apart to uncover its mechanics. I don't think any self-respecting cinephile would call Inception the best dream movie ever made. For me, that's Mulholland Dr. and Paprika is a dangerously close second.
Inception is a sci-fi heist thriller movie where dreams are used by the director to explore the nature of the medium of film such as the process of filmmaking and how films work on the audience.
Could it have been better? Definitely. In a lot of ways. But I don't think making it more like a Surrealist film is one of them.
PS: Really love your videos though. Please keep doing this. You've inspired me to think about films more critically and my love for cinema has only deepened from watching you. I'm a critic and a writer/director and this channel has been of great help. Thank you!
why are people acting like they never had realistic-looking dreams when talking about inception? you never just walked down a regular looking street in your dream?
@@crobeastness Realistic is fine, its dreaming about things that look exactly the same that rarely happens. Even when I dream about my own house, things look different in the dream than they do in the real world.
@@crobeastnesswell no
The first three Nightmare On Elm Street films are extremely underrated for their ingenuity and for their dream sequences and surrealism....
So many people think they're just slasher horror popcorn flicks, and that couldn't be further from the truth.....
David Lynch is overrated
I enjoy your channel a lot . I love film discussions and people’s takes on things . I agree with you on Nic Cage . I’ve always liked him. Going all the way back to Raising Arizona. I think unfortunately he’s had to do some films over the years for financial reasons. I don’t hold those against him. In the right film with the right Director he’s as entertaining as anyone. I completely agree with you on Nolan. I think at this point he’s convoluted for the sake of being convoluted . I tried with Interstellar ( McConaughey is behind some bookcase or something…. I’m not even sure really 🙄). I didn’t even make though his latest film Tenant. I think the problem people have with QT is what you touched on. He’s very well aware of his talent. And has no problem with telling everyone how good he is . And rubs people the wrong way . It’s not a usual response. If he was more humble I think it would change peoples outlook on him. People don’t like the man and can’t separate the work . I get it he’s not for everyone. But it’s what I like most about him . He inspires me to keep writing. He like myself comes from a broken home . He never went to film school and is one of the most celebrated directors of our time. I like the fact he sticks it in the nose of Hollywood. I think that’s why they won’t give him a best director Oscar. But I’ve learned so much about movies and different directors. Things I wouldn’t have known if not for him . In a lotta ways he’s a been a professor of sorts to me . I recently finished his book and it made me love Once upon a time in Hollywood more.
He’s overrated by the general audiences. People say he’s the best director writer around and sometimes of all time but I think Coen brothers and Billy Wilder are better
Is Billy Wilder a great director? Don’t get me wrong, I love his movies but not particularly for the direction. That said, he’s such a great writer that it makes up for his less-creative directorial effort.
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Look at his direction in Sunset Boulevard.... it’s actually very good
I know what you’re saying though. I feel like both Wilder and the Coens don’t draw attention to their direction without it being boring.
Coen Brithers are hit and miss in my opinion.
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So’s tarantino
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Yeah, probably
He is overrated
Look some of his films have a similar rhythm of: talk talk talk FIGHT talk talk talk FIGHT.
Death Proof is probably him at his meanest & leanest. An unapologetic genre film that doesn’t aim for anything loftier, and has all the attitude.
Most of his films could quite easily transfer to the stage which would be interesting.
I'm glad Tarantino existed as a film director, but I don't care for Kill Bill. Maybe it's because I'm from Japan, I just can't see Japanese films from foreign eyes.
Japanese culture tends to get appropriated more than others. While I don't think cultural appropriation is an evil phenomenon, I definitely understand why it can annoy some people. Like, somebody should tell Western filmmakers that there are more cities in Japan besides Tokyo.
yeah
Three commercials in a 9 minute video? Seriously!
whats up with that? Can the channel owner prevent this? I actually unsubbed to a music channel b/c the guy allowed (??) too many ads. I asked him about it and he had a dismissive answer.
Nolan is in a way a YA Kubrick.
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When you talk about Tarantino and his lack of restraint, That is exactly how I feel about Wes Anderson With his latest films.
He's definitely a bit overrated imo.
Nah. Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds, Django and Kill Bill are all incredible films.
If there were no adolescent males tarantino would be broke
You say that like it means anything. Every director has a demographic they succeed most within
I felt that most of the dialogue in Deathproof was atrociously inane. Some of the scenes were way too drawn out, and were painful to sit through.
I rewatched it recently and didn’t even pay attention during most of the first half. The only thing that was interesting in that section was Kurt Russell. The second half I really like, but it’s easily Tarantino’s worst. I would still call it a good film overall, though.
It's a cool flick with a great villain but There was no reason for that movie to be over 2 hours. It could've been so much better if it was 95 mins give or take.
Ms .45 > Promising Young Woman.
Yes! Ferrara kicks ass! 😎 🤘
@@Wildcock23 Zoe Lund deserves half the credit for acting so well with zero dialogue but yes he does kick ass.
That’s the truth
Remarkable, still, about those LotR extended cuts is that they never feel winded or as a chore to endure by their end. But really. We basically live in an era where normal movies are gargantuan fantasy fare (if only so by their geological time scale), and most of those can feel like interminable slogs. But the LotR extended cuts feel fresh and engaging and almost never assail one's experience as being a bore.