The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie
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Primary sources for this video were:
Alt-America, by David Neiwert
Healing from Hate, by Michael Kimmel*
Terror, Love and Brainwashing, by Alexandra Stein
*Kimmel's book was purchased before the sexual harassment accusations against him were made; the book is good but I do not endorse the writer.
You can read my livetweets on Alt-America here: threadreaderap...
Other major sources:
How fascists get red-pilled: www.bellingcat...
Down the (white) rabbit hole: journals.sagep...
Technological seduction and self-radicalization: www.semanticsc...
An overview of 8chan: oilab.eu/infin...
The Daily Stormer's handbook (once again): www.huffpost.c...
The curation/search radicalization spiral: hapgood.us/201...
The Alt-Right pipeline: firstmonday.or...
Demography of the Alt-Right: ifstudies.org/...
How terrorists recruit online: www.brookings....
The alternative influence network: datasociety.ne...
VEX on how white nationalists can't have healthy relationships: / 982621789359624192
Additional citations:
The Card Says Moops: • The Alt-Right Playbook...
The PewDiePipeline: • The PewDiePipeline: ho...
Faraday Speaks on the Alt-Right Pipeline: • My Descent into the Al...
Toxic forums as digital self-harm: • Incels | ContraPoints
Parasocial relationships: • FAKE FRIENDS EPISODE O...
The Parasocial Contact Hypothesis: cmsw.mit.edu/w...
Hate group stats: www.splcenter....
Patriot group stats: www.splcenter....
Hate crime stats: ucr.fbi.gov/ha...
More hate crime stats: ucr.fbi.gov/ab...
Alt-Right former: www.buzzfeedne...
Why Twitter won't ban white supremacists: www.vice.com/e...
Emma V on white and "political": / 1138841342921060354
How come this is age-restricted and contains "inappropriate" content warnings, yet my teenage kid gets videos of Andrew Tate auto playing without even asking to watch them?
*EDIT* _Everyone is assuming my kid is male. She’s not._
@@CowMaster9001 wtf
@@CowMaster9001 good edgy boi
@@CowMaster9001 Ah, yes, Jews. A group famous for not wanting people to resist nazis, and acting accordingly. Clearly having people drift to the right is well within their self-interest and this is a completely sane take.
@@CowMaster9001 ???
cause racists love to abuse systems. Normal people dont. So this video got reported while tate doesnt
It’s sad how this video got age-restricted, had to click through several warnings just to watch this, but literal alt-right propaganda on UA-cam can still remain monetised.
And then Steven Crowder and friends complain about how "UA-cam is literally communism"
Has anyone else noticed the rise of crazy and somewhat scary right wing propaganda recently
That part.
OMG !!!! SAMEEE !!!!
Yeah. I watched this before covid. Now I have a Gabe case among my friends came back for refreshment and was confused by all the warnings...
I remember watching a video interviewing a former N@zi, a super old german man, ans the asked him if he had any kind of closing statements. He said something like "To the young men out there... please, don't live your life by hate. It is not worth it."
It was super simple, but it always stuck with me.
"everyone i disagree with is literally hitler"
But nobody has more hate in their hearts than liberals. I'm a conservative (although my beliefs haven't changed from when I was a liberal 10 years ago). I get called all the worst stuff all the time, even by family members.
Did you all sleep through 2020? Or all the antisemitism of the left just in 2024?
Novody I've ever seen in the world has more blind ignorant hatred than liberals. You're literally comparable to notsees. Anyone who disagrees with you is evil. I see anyone who disagrees with me as wrong or different, but not evil.
Nazi is left
What rule I keep is that if any community, movement, religion or whatever it is you're a part of propagates hate, then it's very likely they are trying to manipulate you. If they try to make a lot of emotional appeals where it'd be wise to ask for evidence, they're trying to manipulate you. If they actively create a social climate within their group that makes skepticism an unspoken negative thing or directly state that skepticism in what they claim is negative, then of course, they're trying to manipulate you.
The more I listen to this video the more I remember one of my historian friends saying “n@tzism is at its core a cult because it is built around hate, fear, and alienation”
Hey, ex-alt-right member here. First, really like this series. I feel like you’re validating the radicalization that me and my male friends experienced. Putting it into words and showing us how we got tricked, exposing the magician and their tricks. Second, I vot out not through argument and discussion but actually through feelings. I was very edgy and would use the n-word in jokes all the time. My male friends would not call me out on it. But a female friend of mine said it made her uncomfortable and that she didn’t appreciate these jokes when we played fortnite together. That shook me to my core as I cared for my friend and that’s how my deradicaliztion started. Just wanted to add in this personal story, keep up the great work :)
Dude congrats on being able to self reflect, i feel like most 'edgy' right-winged people are exactly like this. I have a lot of former friends who think this way, but whenever i tried to call them out, they found solace in each other, further pushing themselves into fascism.
Glad you’re not as much of a piece of shit anymore! ⬆️
So when you say alt-right member, you mean white nationalist? Being alt-right doesn’t mean being vaguely conservative and making n-word jokes.
@@xaviercockerton6989Well, I was in on the whole gamergate thing even though I was a child when it started. I would daily watch white nationalists like James Alsup and pundits like Ben Shapiro. I don’t know if you’d count that as alt-right, but I do at least. I would also just constantly talk about SJWs ruining games and movies. You could say I was an absolutely horrible human to be around. But I’d love to hear your input and if you’ve been through that shit yourself
@@mrwatermelon4476 thanks, though it took a woman for me to be able to do that so don’t give me too much credit for legit just reaching the base requirement of seeing other people as actual human beings
My name is Gabe and when he said "emasculated loser who has trouble getting laid"
I'm like bro chill out I'm doing my best
Lol, go get'm Gabe, we got you
"Trouble getting laid" is worth more than "afraid to go outside".
I wanna get a lot of likes on my comment plz
Just know this: half the guys who claimed they got laid in high school lied. Don’t feel discouraged or pressured for a second. We got you fam! 👍
@@theargonianmercenary184 the guys who got laid will never talk about it. Kiss and tell is a no no.
It's crazy how well this video aged, doesn't feel like 4 yrs ago, considering the importance of that problem rn
aged well, huh ? find me one unironic member of the "alt-right" today. Meanwhile, I can show you a guy who took a shot at trump and murdered an innocent father, and many many more who got upset that he missed. I'd call that extremist, wouldn't you ?
Frrr Like jan 6? That shit is scary
Nazi’s will live by hate and ignore facts for the sake of bigotry.
@@coolegg8489 better than far left, they’re the ones destroying the world rn
It is because it is a description of a phenomenon. I hope one day it ages poorly.
Even as a black girl, the algorithm tried to push alt-right stuff to me. It started with simple car crash compilations; no issue, just an odd choice of entertainment on my part. Then road rage comps -- then public freak out. That led to “Karen” compilations, then weird undercover sjw hater vids that were passed as being harmless, “haha look at this crazy lady” when they were really “angry female liberal, everyone point and laugh” videos. They always lacked justtttt enough context so that you couldn’t downright be disturbed but then they’d carefully leave ignorant things in to try and move you over to their side … subliminally.
Making fun of crazy people is fun no matter what their personal views are, EXCEPT, when the people you're making fun of are someone with personal views like yours.
For example, with my friends we always laugh at crazy leftists who do crazy lefty stuff, BUT, when we see some video of some crazy Christian preacher, or speaking in tongues or doing those kinds of things that evangelicals sometimes do, only my atheist or non christian friends laugh, while the same people that laugh of the crazy lefty, when they are christians they dont laugh a bit.
Maybe that's your problem, you probably have fun watching crazy people saying, yelling or doing crazy things, but when someone shares some ideology or point of view with you, then you're not so open to "laugh of the crazy".
@@thirtyseconds2589 If that is true even more reason not to laugh at the crazy people unless you think your own beliefs are beyond reproach. All laughing at them does is make you not see any of them as a threat as they shape the world around you and then soon you become something that is worse than what you think. Especially if you aren't doing your own research
@@darrienjones8917 This is the problem with what you say.
You can laugh of crazy moronic idiots, and at the same do the research. They are not exclusive.
And acting crazy ain't a belief thing, it's an attitude thing, you can be crazy about any stuff.
@@giovincomaz2175 my brother in Christ do you even know what video you are commenting under? Did you miss the 41 minute video pointing out how your exact comment is part of an alt right process? Average people don't go laughing at "liberal lesbian OWNED by preacher" videos, people on the verge of alt right quackery do that shit.
@@dengar96 So 90% of americans are alt-right?
I’m a Gabe. My radicalization was halted when I re-met a highschool class mate in college, after they came out about being trans. I joined a gaming group she was already a part of, and (not realizing I didn’t know) someone called them their preferred name. Luckily, I was still at a level of bigotry where I didn’t want trans people to die, so I didn’t blow that. What will always stick with me was the immediate relief when I wasn’t antagonistic, but how she told me “I was really worried how you were gonna react because of a meme you showed me.”
It hurt, realizing I had deeply hurt one of my friends without even realizing it. And I never wanted to do that again.
>thinks disagreeing with lgbt is alt-right
@@zoombomberguy4332you missed two of your alt accounta
@@crss6846 you think anyone who disagrees with you is an alt account?
@@zoombomberguy4332no you just did a really bad job at hiding it considering the demographic for this video is vastly composed of progressive people.
So now you embrace degeneracy in all of its many flavors. Great job.
I broke up with my gf and UA-cam started to recommend Jordan Peterson videos to me...
DAMN
how did yt know?
@@tommymarco I don't know. Could have been coincidence. But it was creepy, how I encountered this content at a moment, where I was very vulnerable.
I think, my christian religion kept me from radicalizing at the time. It may seem ironic to some, because christianity in the USA seems to be... something else...
Jesus doesn't seem to be the kind of guy to me, who'd vote for the right wing. I'll never understand, how you can vote Trump and call yourself christian at the same time. "I was a stranger and you took me in." - Matthew 25:35
@@Robert-vk7je Thanks pal. i was wondering how, as I never really get directed messages via the algorithm, but I don't always sign in my side.
Chrome tends to give ads based on speech over a phone hehe!
Also Christian, but out of Europe, not American, which also saves me from a lot of radical thoughts. The US version of Christianity seems right linked from European view. But I guess the extremes are the loudest :)
Thank you for the New Testament verse. It made me go look up the chapter
😂 UA-cam was in that relationship too
I used to passively think trans people were crazy a few years ago. Im glad I stopped cuz it wouldve made my transition a bit of a hassle.
Lol! Glad you could learn who you are man.
@@angrycoffeekid Thanks, dude! Tits are pretty cool!
Reminds me of that one Pink Floyd song- “Crazy… truly gone fishing…” (if you’re transmasc) (am not calling you crazy, just thought that was a funny coincidence in lyrics)
I'm sorry for you. I wish you the best on your journey of the self.
@@johngarland4338 I am transfem, but interesting song. I should prob listen to more Pink Floyd.
I met a Gabe in high school. We had a trans lesbian teacher and Gabe told me she managed to get out thanks to meeting that teacher and realizing she was just a person like everyone else, and it made her reevaluate her beliefs. Representation matters.
Seeing someone as human can help not hate the group
and that is exactly why the right doesn't want trans people to be teachers
Wow, I don’t know if “that’s an incredible story” is appropriate here, but I am happy somebody was able to change, and that representation has helped
that's so cool!
I didn’t realize you were using Gabe gender neutrally and thought that your Gabe was a trans girl who realized she was one after meeting your teacher
My brother tried to radicalize me when I was a tween.. its scary how some people make it their mission to spread hate, even through kids
I'm guessing your brother was well aware of the small hat problem?
he probably got concerned when you started to ask "what is a woman"
@@markganus1085 this looks like projecting
scary? pretty human really when they have been told that those against their perspectives are aiding or even responsible for the world collapsing as we know it. I mean yes, scary I guess when they don't respond to reason or think they know it all and have no limits to what they will do, even hating and separating from family members, thus hastening our mental health breakdown even more
@@markganus1085100+ comments bro GO OUTSIDE 😭
It’s nuts they managed to age restrict this shit. Fucked up
The "oH ARE U OFFENDED??!!!" people are the easiest to offend lol
@@desaturated-firefox "you're a liberal snowflake" people when a video game lets you pick pronouns:
I’m calling it rn
It’s because he mentions UA-cam’s role in this
@@nyctomint Imagine playing Pokémon where Professor Oak let you choose whether if your player is a boy or a girl...
_"ThIs Is A tHrEaT tO WeSteRn CiVilLizAtIoN."_
White supremacy is real
As a recovering Gabe who came to the light in 2018, I still have difficulty making normal friends because of all the fear mongering. This stuff really fucks with you, and I've been in therapy for 3 years trying to fix myself. I rewatch this series a lot because it helps remind me how far I've come, and maybe one day I'll truly feel comfortable accepting the loving relationships I have now.
wow so proud of you
Wishing you the best.
I was on my way to becoming a Gabe until a partner of mine had me try Tumblr and I found myself agreeing with a lot of points, this was back when Tumblr was very left
Based king
You dropped this 👑
A big problem is that the algorithm takes note immediately and any slight interest in anything remotely related to this stuff results in so much of it appearing in the feed that it starts to appear like that is the normal, sensible middle. Your personal Overton window starts to get shifted. Recommenders are so keen to engage you that they will happily radicalize you for a few cents of ad revenue. Our media landscape, especially online, is controlled by these potential radicalization engines that the right has proved effective at using.
Another example of how the growth of fascism is closely linked to capitalism. Fascism is merely the fruit of the capitalist system.
I never engage with alt right content yet every time I search a topic Ben Shapiro, Blaire white etc etc are always the first results to pop up. The algorithm pushes it on you even if you never watch it...
@@GeazakiCosplay Im touching my pp rn
@@cartelconnection6699Capitalism is indirectly creating fascists
I’ve been recently using the manual feature of blocking certain types of recommended creators/videos. At first it’s like playing whack-a-mole, but eventually the algorithm did start to get the hint that maybe reaction channels and extreme right wing propaganda just isn’t for me…
Im most proud of going into covid as an alt-right boy, and coming out as a democratic-socialist man
same
Go back!
That's killer, you _should_ be proud of yourseld
@@SkibidiToiletlsInherentlyAryan I am very curious about what the fuck your name means
@@crimzon5326 I’m a sigma lil bro🗿🍷 A sigma male needs a sigma name!🙋🏻⚡️⚡️
I was Gabe from the age of 16-18, a bit of life experience that didn't match up with my skewed views on the world sorted me out. Now my little cousin is 19 and has gone further down the Gabe-hole than I ever did. I'm very worried for him because he recently got fired for saying something extremely racist, he thought it was a funny thing to say but it's completely disgusting (along the lines of wanting to kill muslims). Getting fired is probably affirming his belief that people don't accept him.
Half the family don't talk to him anymore because he's so unpleasant now, I'm just doing my best to show him kindness.
The alt right pipeline is more insidious and destructive than anyone gives it credit for.
Huge comment. Big to admit you were there. I think a lot of young middle class guys flirted with this ideology. Myself included. I started moderate conservative from parental influence, then started to creep further right before a rubber band snap back to reality sparked by a dramatic family event in my teens. Had it not been for that event I don’t know where I would be. It was awful at the time but now I am thankful. I think it’s important to empathize with these young bros before it’s too late so props to you for doing it. I don’t think I would have had someone like that and I could have ended up a completely different person.
It's a cult of hatred. It functions exactly like one and even targets people like it. Getting someone out requires similar type of deprograming. Which is extra frustrating considering the same people who are fucking up other people will talk about left propaganda programming, so terminology, even when it fits is hard to use. Like how a lot of religious persons try to use science to make fantastical claims. It muddies the waters.
And the grifters and influencers all seem so similar in their behavior. Like they look like they have a lot of pain and trauma pent up.
You have to understand that there is a time and a place for those kinds of jokes, you also can’t go to far. You can’t go into work and say that you want to commit a hate crime. But it’s more acceptable (not saying it’s okay) to make those kinds of jokes to make fun of people who actually do them. Knowing full well that you have the exact opposite beliefs. It’s important to distance yourself from what you actually say and make sure people know what you mean.
Used to be a Gabe between the ages of 13- 15. Dealt with a lot of hurt because of family crisis and stuck my toes into the rabbit hole. I only made it about a layer of the onion in, but what I learned from that is how well they manage to isolate every layer from another. The video got that perfectly. As someone beginning to be drawn into this process, you actually don’t recognise what you’re becoming. I’d wager that most people belonging to the alt right actually believe that they’re centrist, not right wing.
I believe a very important part of the “rescue” effort is to brake those isolation barriers down. If you can make people actually reflect upon certain behaviours you can make them realise that f.e. what they have been putting off as just jokes, aren’t actually jokes.
I’ve recently found that method very effective while discussing homophobia in my male friend group. They insisted that it was alright to make jokes, but had to actually reflect on the implications of their beliefs after I made them honestly evaluate whether or not those jokes were funny because they were funny, or because they reflected their actual beliefs and put another member of the group down.
If those layers of isolation are peeled back it forces you to confront an honest picture of yourself. While homophobia might be fun for some, being a homophobe and justifying it to yourself is harder. In the same way making a racist joke might be fun, but confronting the fact that you might be a racist, isn’t. I believe it’s important to hold each other accountable to honestly reflect on ourselves, because doing so by ourselves is hard to sometimes impossible. Simply “calling someone names” can be effective through social pressure but is no substitution for actual self reflection.
Deradicalisation isn’t really about getting someone on your side, but helping someone who’s hurting. Offering a genuine solution for their core problem, their loneliness, is the only way to cut out the problem at the root. At least when it comes to “Gabes”
While I think the video idea kinda sucks because it is dime a dozen, yeah. I have been deradicalised by a trans person who extended a helping hand to me. It lead me to explore their ideas and topic of identity more with people i know who fall on LGBT spectrum and now I am dating a trans woman.
Villyfying "Gabes" (or just, being straight, male or white) will not bring the solutions or make them change their minds. Reaching out and exposure therapy likely will.
well said. when it comes to online forums, i use a socratic, open, non-confrontational style of dialogue. i dont hide that i am a leftist, im not dishonest about my beliefs, but i dont use them to attack. i lead with curiosity, i ask questions. when people respond, i ignore any vitriol, empathize, and just ask more questions. the point isnt to disprove anyone, its just to introduce a bit of doubt, and present a side of the left that doesnt isnt easily rattled or triggered. of course its normal to get triggered by rhetoric that is intended to offend, but for those of us that know how to engage in this style of rhetoric, it can be powerful. we tend to think that comment sections dont change anything, but i think it can have an impact.
@@CS-iq4xn What's the point of discorse if you are not trying to disprove things that you think are wrong? I agree with all the other stuff exept that I am on "the right".
Social interactions are generally a source of happiness for humans and if you are stuck being lonely you'll start looking for a cope. But loneliness only really radicalizes when that cope is something like bullying. Otherwise it just detaches you from the centrist force of trying to fit in wich is neither good nor evil in itself because it completely depends on who you are around. There is no law that tells you that the center/mainstream is good because depending on what time and place you live in that centrist force will pull you into completely different directions. If you think radical means being far from the norm, then there would be nothing inherently unethical about that because the norm is not inherently ethical. Radical should mean far from ethical. And people may have different activities as sources of satisfaction and it's up to moral judgement wether they are good or bad and not to popularity. The cope that someone has found to deal with loneliness could be more ethical than hanging out with people and just chilling. For that person chilling could be the cope.
This video did fairly little to go into anything ethical. It's easy to pull up some buzz words like fascist and nazi and the alt-right definetly has a lot to offer in that regard. But a lot here didn't really have a connection to any ideology. Most of the psychological dynamics of groups and how they differentiate themselves from others apply to ALL ideologies. And it's clear that this guy is a leftist but what is he doing by throwing terms like conservatism and fascism together without any differenteation or ethical analysis? Shouldn't you be a bit more precize when you are discussing Ben Shapiro and nazis at the same time? Or is it all self explanatory because he expects the viewer to be from the left anyway? Is the lesson to just be on the left? If he wants to make a point against far out agendas maybe he shouldn't say that mens problems are caused by the patriarchy or push for the abolition of the I.C.E. like it's the most common sense thing. The "white men though" isn't doing it either.
Deradicalization is about bottoming for Jewish overlords.
As a black man I pretty much went through the same thing as a teen. Watching SJW gets owned compilations when I was 12, then as they couldn’t convince me through the racial part, went fully down the misogynistic, homophobic shi they fed to me as ‘just common sense’ or ‘realistic’. When it got to the racial stuff, I was just fed the classic ‘You’re one of the good ones’ and ‘we’re not talking about you’. Luckily I got out in time before I became fully radicalised into that system when I was 15, by just meeting people from different communities (women, LGBTQ, other ethnic minorities) and hearing their own experiences in our society and how amazing they were. But damn looking back on it I realise just how disgusting I was back then.
I notice alot of young black men fell into more of the tommy sotomayor camp.
It’s happening all over again with fresh and fit and a bunch of other influencers 😢
same
maybe if feminism wasn"t anti-men it would not happen. peoples in the comment just talk like if there is not a massiv movement of antiwhite and anti men gabes on the left who actually got the power in many institutions
yeah, its scary just how fast you can go down that path and not even realize it
I went through an entire right winger phase in my teen years without ever considering myself one. I was pulled through the pipeline during the first big wave of the refugee crisis in Europe. As a metal musician and a leftist, I saw the influx of conservative muslims as a threat to my existence. I had dealt with abuse from religious zealots before and I wasn't about to let new ones impose their rules. (I still believe this, but I now understand what caused them to come here in the first place)
This happened at the same time as the great Tumblr exodus and the radicalisation of many different fandoms. All of this led me to youtube channels such as Sargon, Earl of grey and other "sceptic" youtubers who were really just thinly veiled right wingers posing as moderates asking the right questions.
I was alienated from the left by feeling I couldn't disagree with my peers about anything without getting called out, but the right offered me a descending pipeline into harsher and harsher extremism and objectively wrong world views. I still disagree with my leftist peers about many things, but I now confront them instead of hiding on the other side.
Attacking people before trying to understand their perspective does that. IMO it's why so many cis white guys in America voted for trumperton, as the right sold enough porpaganda that they were not to blame for society, and unfortunately, it became a trend (even if minor) to hate on white guys just cuz. enough of that sentiment propagated to give manipulative right-wing chumps a small stool to stand on.
IMO, again, a significant chunk of dem/left online presence, whether it was their intent or not, ostracized regular white guys from their party.
Also, I share the beliefs that religious extremism is bad, regardless of religious origin, and know that most refugees were fleeing those religious extremists in their home countries of Syria and Iraq through the early 2010s, but the unfortunate truth is that many of those people fled because ISIS/ISIL was executing everyone who didn't concur with their specific belief system.
Example: A person in Nazi Germany thought too differently about how things should be run regarding a local council decision, but still was on board with the murder of homosexuals and PoCs.
What's mind-boggling to me, is that (not all, but too many) people from my side (also left) just think that moving to a new place will completely upset generations of violently instilled religious beliefs.
Example 2: If you stoned your brother to death for being trans or gay (or your daughter for "incentivizing" your male friend to sleep with her), and were a relatively uneducated person, I'd imagine you'd try to justify those horrific acts in any way conceivable by your brain, else you thought of yourself as worthless. but God told you to, so it's necessary.
General example 3: As cool as it would be to go to many foreign countries in Africa or Southeast Asia, the presence of Muslim-led theocratic countries that would simply execute my husband and I for being not straight is an too high risk, if found out.
And for those that will disagree: I'll not provide links, as they'll be removed, but over half of Muslims around the world believe these things, unfortunately. To be an ally in any capacity is to be, fundamentally, anti- monotheistic religion.
I have noted that teenagers are *especially* vulnerable to being Gabeified
Yeah by the radical LEFT
@@stephenlyon1358 I hope your joking
@@SirGrimothy if a teen is politically involved they are usually one of the extremes, but never normally toward the centre.
@@SirGrimothy i hope your name is satirical
@@stephenlyon1358 And the radical right.
I’m a black girl and even I was in a situation like gabe’s a few years ago. Alt-right nuttery shit is infectious
@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇ same.
@@amuroray9115 I used to watch Tommy Sotomeyor. enough said.
@@anebiz yea
Same, for me commentary videos, pewdiepie and those owning sjws videos reeled me in a few years ago
It's *designed* to be. I've always been a strong believer that none of us is entirely immune to scams, grifts and cults. Given the correct disposition, we could all fall prey to such motherfuckery. Personally, if I were to fall prey to a cult, I'd want it to be a cool one, like a machete-themed cult.
That being said, self awareness of our own vulnerability to such fuckery is the best defense against fuckery.
For everyone saying "Oh my God I'm gabe", I want you to know I'm proud of you for catching that shit.
If your a gabe without the normie then you are a Gabriel just saying
you forgot the “itches92” in the name pal
THIS THIS THIS
Thanks!
I've honestly seen th3 dumbest argument made by the left and also dumb arguments made by the right and idk where to stand
This is funny because these people could’ve gotten me if not for one thing. It all started with my disappointment in the Star Wars sequels when I was still a kid. They told me it was the SJWs fault. I started to cozy up with these UA-camrs and their audiences. However…
… I’m black. Those were some of the most racist people I’ve ever spoken with. When they make a racist joke/comment it’s just “being edgy” and “practicing free speech” but as soon as anyone says anything about white men they endlessly cry and complain about being oppressed.
They’re way more reactionary and obnoxious than any “SJW” they ever complained about and the constant negativity leaves you feeling awful. I’m much happier now, even though I still think the Star Wars sequels suck. Please don’t entertain these communities and their ideas.
That's the right path. You can still think that a sequel trilogy sucks while not falling in the whole "triggered by SJWs" shit.
I firmly believe that me being a black woman fundamentally prevented me from going too far, at a time when I was extremely psychologically vulnerable (I bought the damn 12 rules for life book!) I was so desperate to listen to JPs psychological content and ignore his political stuff to the point where I'd watch his debates and feel actual pain at the disappointment at siding with the other side. Every hole in his arguments I found felt like a betrayal. I think I just wanted something, anything to latch onto. I'm glad I found the left early.
The star wars sequals are a perfect example of infiltration by the alt right, the sequals, truly fucking suck arse. But any valid point of why it sucks got thrown out the window when the alt right came into the community. And I hate it.
@@NotThatJojjo thats bullshit.
@Michelle Sanders What do you mean by the decline of your demographic group? Are you talking about the increasing inclusion of minorities in Hollywood? If that’s what you mean, phrasing that as “the decline of your demographic group” makes it sound much more dramatic than it is. In fact, Hollywood representation favors white people, as minorities are still underrepresented (minority representation is not yet proportional to real world demographics, skewing white). I think having proportional representation is a reasonable thing to strive for. Ask me if you want to know more about why that is.
Nick Cannon is a moron and everyone knows it. Don’t confuse the media’s reaction with the real world’s reaction. We live under a capitalist system where the media is incentivized to click-bait and sensationalize for monetary gain. In the eyes of the media “anti-semitic” has been a more sensational label than “anti-white” since World War II, and “anti-white” is a risky term to use because of it’s frequent use by people who have violent ideas. Of course real people were outraged by Nick’s racists comments. Article headlines will never reflect reality because it would be less profitable to do so.
He didn’t refute alt right points in this video because that’s not the purpose of this series (The Alt Right Playbook). I highly recommend you browse his other content where he does address alt right points, and I think it would go a long way to ease your fears.
I got radicalized as a teenager bc I was a lonely neurodivergent kid with no friends. When you’ve been othered by people it sometimes hurts less to choose to other yourself further, to feel special and smart. So you’re othered not because they think you’re a freak or nerd, but because they “don’t understand you” or “aren’t smart enough to get it”. When you lack confidence and identity while you’re young it’s easy to manipulate you. I got out of it through time and the patience of people around me, making new friends. though I fell my farthest during bouts of depression I regained my empathy through positive life changing events and discovering myself. There’s hope for a lot of “Gabe’s” out there even if it seems impossible. Good video!
edit- Im really happy to see a lot of people resonated with this little comment, I was mostly working thru and coming to terms with my own past when I posted it and its really nice to see I'm not alone. We can all change, we all strive towards goodness. There's no such thing as second chances, just moving forward. And we do.
As a neurodivergent teen myself, I really felt your comment
@@kittykittybangbang9367 same here, I’m 19 and I’m struggling to lean toward the left rather than take the red pill… but I’m sure we’ll work it out with time :)
how much these toxic communities prey on neurodivergent boys should REALLY be talked about more.
neurodivergent myself. never took the red pill myself, but i did get pulled somewhat right of center. i guess my most radical opinions was about islam. i had two uncles that spouted pretty radical stuff for years, and then i experienced a massive riot in the middle of oslo, where muslims more or less burned down Karl johan. it kind of broke my hope that multiculturalism could work. i still refused to believe that muslims were bad people tho, only that they had bad ideas. the left however was completely deaf to what i had to say because of how i was caricatured because i had opinions that sounded similar to the alt-right. so in my experience the far-left has been quite bigoted and hateful.
im 22 and diagnosed with asd now but starting when i was around 15 i got deper and deper to the point where i was at the point of regurgitating biased and just ouright racist and anti semetic stats. i never felt i fit in and got picked on a lot so they provided a scapegoat being minorities for all my hatred anger and sadness. what really chnaged my opinion was being diagnosed and how hard i get fucked over by any system thats in place to help me and those people i idolized are activley discriminating against neurodivergent people like me and want to see us suffer.
"It is a similar dynamic that keeps people in abusive relationships"
As a survivor of an abusive relationship with a Gabe ... yeah you hit the nail on the head here.
I hear you. Sometimes the scary known thing Is less frightening than the unknown. Change is hard, hence why conservatism, then alt right, are easy to fall into. It just asks you to shut off your brain.
Good shit man, hope you’re doing better
@@maka8551 Love me some good effortposting
@@maka8551 Ok boomer.
@@maka8551 thank you, this was really meaningful
I used to be Gabe. Gamergate combined with my own self hatred when I understood I may be trans radicalized me to such a horrible place. I'd stop watching shows I enjoyed if something remotely liberal was mentioned and everything. It was making me even more miserable the people I spent time around and fed into my ideas hurt me as well, so I decided to let myself be happy again and enjoy the things I thought were cool. Now without fear of them looking down on me. I am now accepting myself for the trans woman I am and am a leftist and am happy. I'm still unwinding some of the programming I had done to me but I'm happier now.
>trans woman
you got groomed
I’m a black refugee and ive been friends with a lot of gabes because i went to poor white schools. I’m happy i could help lead some of those people away from radicalism but i did a fucking number on my mental health. So as much as i want these (mostly) young white men to find good, kind, communities, it bothers me how the harm they did while they were active is so easily dismissed. Not that this video is doing that. I just mean in general. But i also dont know what “accountability” looks like online. I just hope they are making amends and apologizes to the people around them in the groups they targeted. Because your black, gay, immigrant etc class mates remember, and it affects them in adulthood.
Yeah...
It can be so draining to always put so much energy onto helping or changing people so that they don't become actually dangerous.
Please take care if yourself
You make an excellent point here.
you’re just pushing them further away by saying they aren’t worth your time or by shaming them. empathy for them and understanding of the situations that got them there, and compassion for the men they can become, is the only way forward, the only responsible mature thing to do. the guy who made this video is immature and selfish.
@@christopherwray4788 Oh yeah sure let me just single handedly give compassion and empathy to all the gabes in the world who punch and demean, lets totally reward their fascism with care. That's totally viable and totally a good way to do good. i get your point, but you don't understand the pragmatics of the situation.
@@eliteal2188 sigh, incorrigible. grow up.
HEDONISM
also, the idea of a holding space where people are expected to be better but not, in the moment, judged, is very powerful
Hey Philosophy Tube. Didn't expect to see you down here. Just here to say that I really enjoy your content. It has helped me a lot.
A good friend is someone who expects you to be better, but doesn't judge you when you're not. Obviously this has limits, but it's something we can all practice for each other's benefit.
Went to smash like when Mr Thorn popped up. Realised I'd already hit like, and now I am awash with melancholy for I have but one like to give.
Big Bad Black Dick So I presume you think that white people, being a minority on the global scale, should have a minority of cultural clout in the international community?
And that men, being a slightly smaller group than women, should have slightly less political power?
You old social engineer, you.
I wonder if it's too idealistic in this context. The alt-right is very extreme. I don't think that people fall into it, like they accidentally step in dog poop. And of course, it's not harmless like being a big Game of Thrones fan for several years. I think that these people have serious problems that preceded joining the alt-right, preceded starting down the path to the alt-right, and will likely linger on if they leave the alt-right. They very likely have a lot of problematic thoughts and problematic ways of thinking that will continue to cause problems for them (and possibly others) for some time (if not for the rest of their lives).
I don't know that they can "become sober" like a drug addict. And even drug addicts often replace one addiction with another. When you have such serious issues with the ways that you think (serious enough to join the alt-right), I don't know how much you can improve.
That said, I guess any improvement is still an improvement. And someone no longer being on the path to physically harming others is certainly a great improvement. But maybe we just shouldn't expect such people to become very well-adjusted, reliable proponents of the public good. But if they do improve that much, that's great!
i remember in the past, telling online friends that I'm black and receiving comments like "you don't act black" and i remember thinking of that as a good thing and id say like yeah im whitewashed etc
god i really hate that time thinking back to it
Are you black?
Man that’s so disgusting
"you don't act black" is such a red flag, lol.
I don't even really ever think to ask people about their race and shit when i'm talking to them. You all are just fucking pfp's to me, and i'd rather treat you all equally under that notion.
What is even “acting black”? Why does a race have to act a certain way
@@Soupy_bass exactly
Always hated that
Anger can really be just as addictive as drugs
Well said
what is blud yappin about only in ohio 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@mysticxerious cancerous
And sugar.
Bc that shts addictive as fck
I remember when I was starting down the pipeline. I had joined a couple less than reputable subreddits that on the surface didn't seem to have a political bent. Atheism, Foreveralone, TumbrInAction. Others popped up over time...
Then I saw a comment, I forget the specifics, but it said something along the lines of 'You only believe these things because you're in a community that keeps telling you to believe them. You want to prove me wrong? Unsubscribe to them for a bit and see what happens.'
So I did. Just to prove these were true beliefs I held dearly.
I haven't touched those subreddits since. No idea if they're still there. Turns out that yeah, your community shapes you. And when you curate your feed to just your little interests, fill the holes with kittens and puppies, suddenly a lot of those horrible things disappear, you realize how *tired* you were of being angry all the time, and the world seems a slightly better place when you break the doomscrolling.
That's true, look at how many leftists became so extreme that they actually wished for their political opponent to die, as well as celebrating that a inocent man got killed.
TumblrInAction got banned months ago. Atheism and Foreveralone are still up.
Sorry i don’t use Reddit but as an ex christian, I don’t see the issue with the the atheism subreddit unless it just developed a community of far right extremists for some reason, but that really doesn’t seem like something they would relate with
I'm happy for you that you had the intuition, albeit indiretly, to free yourself from that black hole
hhhhh i love the shift from "i will prove i'm right" to "damn they actually right", the person who commented maybe will never know that, i kinda love the internet
I went from an edgy Gabe to a well adjusted Gabrielle. Feels good
👏👏👏👏👏
Hah, neat.
👍
Same 👌😎
They gave you the woke pill instead of the red pill.
"if youve ever known a Gabe this video's for u"
oh, of course i know him
he *was* me :(
give in to comfort when times are tough... great stuff man keep it up
Same
I hope you're doing much better now, it must have been hard to leave. I wish you a nice day and hopefully you're much happy now, cheers.
"WAS" is the key word there. Glad you made it out.
Everyone makes mistakes in life mate. what matters now is that it's in your past
Back here after the election for… reasons.
sore loser
Yeah, me too, after the victory, it’s interesting to find leftists who don’t sit in their echo chamber.
One thing to take heart in, is that as dark as the anti woke to maga pipeline is...even with all the billionaires and social media manipulation and algorithms backing it, trumps popular vote margin is extremely small and is actually one of the lowest on record. In addition, the win ratio of Congress for the GOP is also super small.
What this essentially means is that The right wing isn't growing exactly, the democrats are just having an exodus because they aren't espousing leftist values to get people to bother with them and so the right simply takes over. if the Dem leadership were not so tied to big money and trying to appeal to right wingers (really campaigning with dick and Liz Cheney??) they would likely have never lost an election again after 2016. And you could have said the same going back years.
@@MrInuhanyou123 ever heard of popular vote?
"Facts don't care about his feelings"
I was expecting ben shapiro's face to slowly fade in.
The poetic irony of 'facts not feelings' is that the right is almost entirely built on feelings, not facts. It's all philosophy that originates from religion, traditions, the idea of 'natural law' - none of which are based in the scientific method or subjects like biology and sociology.
@@dog-ez2nu what about the bell curve and race realisim?
@@dog-ez2nu
I mean most of the right doesn't want Tradition. You can't be a Traditionalist without being skeptical of capitalism honey xoxo. Natural Law is also a Catholic concept, and most catholics vote Democrat, so what's your point lmao. Natural Law isn't a right wing idea.
@@dog-ez2nu Yeah, righties invest themselves in the rhetoric of "being the smart guy" to deflect criticism instead of actually reasoning with people. It's all to avoid feeling vulnerable. The question is how do we as progressives coax them out of their insecurity (when we're not busy defending those who're *_actually_* vulnerable, of course)?
@@ZoomieDeer So why do blacks dominate the Olympiad? Isn't that because of the sport gene?
"Wait, you guys are actually racist?"
"I thought it was a joke..."
God was I ever miserable as a Gabe
Yeah i think we've all been there like, wait, are you really afraid of jews? Or wait, do you actually believe feminism is only this?
@Luís Filipe Andrade Your mom's real proud, bucko
My “friends” will say the n word. Now I’m not friends with them. :/ I thought it was joke and put up with it... then they said the n word.
@Luís Filipe Andrade much very good English yes
@Luís Filipe Andrade Feminism is just the belief that women should be treated equal and not seen only as sexual objects or as lesser. Sure some people take it too far but I think the idea of wanting to be treated equal isn't bad or hateful. I'd call myself a feminist but I don't hate you or anything, and i'd hope you wouldn't hate me for thinking woman deserve equality.
I think the only thing that stopped me from going full Gabe was the fact that 12-year-old me didn't understand why these people thought the best course of action for radical activists and trans/neurodivergent people was to bully and drive them off the internet instead of like... talking to them or "getting them some help."
@Nick Bacigalupo I mean both do that, politics always have more sides to It.
wow, you were thinking when you were 12, you should have a talk with yourself now.
@Nick Bacigalupo When someone says "Save the whales" do you say "save the pandas too, what? You don't like pandas?" No. It's silly. It's changing the subject. BLM is about trying to protect a group of people that many think are in danger, it's not about black supremacy.
@Nick Bacigalupo I'd love to see your explanation as to why they're more likely to kill each other. Since you seem to disagree that they're oppressed, the only explanation would be that they're inferior, no?
its called empathy and modern society and ideologists have a lack of it.
I never went further than just watching "lib takedown" videos on UA-cam.
After a while, they all started to feel the same, and I got bored of them.
I unsubbed from most of my favourite channels, and took a break from UA-cam.
When I can back to UA-cam, I started watching channels focused on history.
A big turning point for me was learning about the Lost Cause myth.
Once I realised how awfully minority groups were treated throughout history and how little sense the "arguments" from the Far Right made, I just couldn't follow that shit anymore.
I consider myself one of the luckier Gabes.
I consider you one of the worst kinds of people. Spineless for your own people, but willing to kiss the feet of different people from the past.
@@MicahNstuff TIL, poc only existed in the past
@@MicahNstuff well, their "own people" we're kinda spineless against other people who weren't their own people
@@MicahNstuff Hi Gabe, how's it going?
@@MicahNstuff wow maybe this is why no one likes the right because your all assholes, while the left is kind and loving. Your sitting here calling people idiots and being rude af to every person who questions the right.
A lone wolf is often a dead wolf. Wolves just like us are social animals, they do not survive alone. Lone wolf is as miserable as a lonely person and that is what right wingers thrive on.
My teens were terrible, i hated to even wake up.
Luckily my Grandma was the best person I knew and was a social democratic/longist and managed to just turn me into a very sad kid instead of whatever else the supremacist movement in my country supports.
Literally both sides thrive on such. At least the rightists don't take estrogens and have their genitals surgically mutilated.
Lone wolves do not fit in this degenerate society of yours, that's why we allign sometimes with each other
Spot on name, then.
What the hell are you talking about? That is the exact opposite of what drives people to the right. What drives people to the right is a traditional set of values and pride. You cannot look outside at the social climate and not be completely disgusted by what you see, unless you are a person that has been striped of all morals more complex than what a 6 year old could conjure up.
The fact this is age-restricted yet there are clueless moderates platforming fascists on the daily is tragic
If they platform fascism, they're not "moderate".
@@principalityofswitzerland338 What do you mean?
And yet, when you look at the history of businesses and fascism, it isn't surprising at all. Capitalism demands a hierarchy, fascism screams for one.
false information, youtube is part of western and more liberal and removes far right
@@optillian4182 You know exactly what it meant.
Im an autistic trans furry who thinks doctor who is the only good media and yet in grade 8 i wrote a story where ben Shapiro was the protag. I managed to escape mostly thanks to good friends, Teachers, an attempted OD and a brilliant mother bless her soul despite how my dad would push exactly what you're discussing here and pretend like theres no alternative. I feel like some people are more predisposed to one way or the other but one very important thing i wanted to point out is when you talked about the right groups spreading out and how that lead to less control. I personally see that as the most helpful tool in their arsenal because everyone knows how to spot a nazi, big performances, radical speeches, definitive action. But because the right is so spread out potential victims can take the journey at their own pace and not realise theyre becoming more extreme because like you said they arent being forced. This i think is generally why the right are often quite arrogant amd narcissistic because their politics amd beliefs are something they developed themselves through their own journey and because of that along with not knowing theyve been caught leads them to be confident in their beliefs because they feel responsible for it. Its all complicated in the immortal words of Peter 'the doctor' Capaldi, "be kind"
(Just at the end of the vid now where you talk about how Gabe leaves and I actually think dr who just became more important to me then it was which I thought impossible. It genuinely is my life blood but I think it also may have made me recognise and rediscover myself. At the time I realised I was falling to the right it was the same time Jodie Whittaker was the doctor and red pulled nerds turned grifters were flooding dw UA-cam and that might've actually been what snapped me out, wow)
Feminist queer doctor who lover here, fyi your choice of quoting Capaldi's doctor was perfect because not only is it relevant- he's the BEST doctor...
but.. you knew that already, though. ❤
Keep going. You are doing wonderfully.
@@MyGeniusFriend I mean, while that is true, does anything about that list of descriptors imply them all to be inherit or permanent? They looked to me more like they were intended to be a list of personal traits that the alt right arent seen as fond of (the inherit ones because thats the sort of thing bigots hate, and furries because that community is commonly the subject of mockery and also very full of lgbtq people, which doesnt tend to endear them to bigots as a group, though like any subculture it certainly isnt immune to them of course). It looked to me to be more a list of things intended to show contrast with the commonly expected identity of someone in the alt right than an implication that those three things were all equivalent to eachother or supposed to be the same kind of thing.
didn't happen, also meds NOW
@@mysticxerious The fact that you feel so threatened by an anonymous young man doing the work and professing it proudly is pretty transparent and plain.
@@alicem2103 Meds and BWC NOW
Funnily enough, as a young black man I was very close to gabe culture. At first I felt alienated in real life, as a minority in a small racist town. Going on 4chan, I couldnt immediately see that these people were white, and the anonymity made me feel safe, and when I became aware of the racist ideas I fell hard for the "you're one of the good ones" spoon. What deradicalized me was finding friends in real life (who were white anyways lol)
@a f same as well :)
I remember someone said to me "you're one of the good ones" when he was ranting about and demonising non-straignt folks and I have never just noped out of something faster in my life
@@robots-FTW Yeah, I'm Jewish and I still managed to fall down the rabbit hole. I guess I figured that they couldn't be Neo-Nazis if they had people like Ben Shapiro and Laura Loomer
Yeah
Honestly looking at it with a birds eye view it's almost fascinating
Yes bro took to me to compare the racism black people to see how it’s unfair to deny the bigotry others face
“Qanon if you’re really crazy” how well that aged
Q lost me when the aliens didn't arrive in August. 😭😭 What a pathetic deepstate we have.
well they are still really crazy just more mainstream
Also the bit about charolettesville being the last major moment of alt right action
@@corncake4677 FREE SPEECH FOR ALL Those who have confidence in their ideas aren't afraid of debate. NO TO BIG TECH Censor.
@@kimobrien. what
I used to find "sjw owned" compilations funny until my brother told me who the type of people that make those videos were, afterwards I immediately stopped watching them and didn't fall down the alt-right spiral
Thanks bro, you're the best
It's weird cause the alt right was co oped by the far right rather quickly after conception the very beginning it was full of centered liberals and centered conservatives that thought some of the more extreme SJWs were an issue
W brother
Your brother offered you a small taste of media literacy. Sadly, most people never even get a small taste and so remain vulnerable. We live in a mostly media illiterate society. That is because even the mainstream media is not interested in encouraging media literacy. Nor are many of political interests seeking to control the public education system.
@@pjnaruto1Wait, are alt right and far right two different things 😭
@@insecticaa when the alt right first became a thing yes but it's very quickly got pulled far right I'm talking like less than 6 months
Crazy how relevant this video still is. I was Gabe. It started in middle school and lasted all the way to my early college years. I was rapidly falling down this pipeline. I went to a catholic school in middle school and had a faith crisis, realizing that I was actually an atheist. I found some comfort in atheist content, discovering that I wasn't alone. However, this really isolated me from my peers and people I used to call friends. A lot of this atheistic content taught me to have contempt for religious folks, to think I was better than them. This content then began to run up against anti-SJW and gamergate content, which then led me Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc.
What eventually freed me from this pipeline was going to college, meeting other people, a long-term girlfriend who is now my wife that stayed by my side, and a family that simply continued to love me and support me. The only advice I can give to anyone that is trying to help a family member or friend that is stuck in this blackhole is patience. Keep loving, keep trying. Time heals all things, even alt-right brain rot.
biggest yapper waffler award
I'm a black guy from South Africa and got pulled in this way: insecurity -> self improvement videos -> manosphere -> racist, misogynist UA-cam channels talking about becoming a "high value man"
@SomeGuy thanks. Any other channels you'd recommend for me to watch?
@@Muhluri i HIGHLY recommend Beau of the Fifth Column
I'm from Eswatini and man did I get caught up in this shit.... Ian and Contrapoints and Shaun pulled me deep in the rugs of the rabbit hole... And Second Thought
The Self improvement part and the manosphere were actually good , idk how self improvement vids got you into racist stuff but ok, this sucks
@@Muhluri Kidology
This video is incredible, but it was a bit surreal to watch as a young white guy named Gabe.
Talk about self reflection 😂
Are you blond too?
Ooof... I may or may not have sent it to a friend of mine named gabe...
Same
i’ve got a young white guy friend named gabe lol
he’s trans and bi tho so
This comment section is filled with reformed “gabe’s”. And it’s kind of wholesome to see people can come back from a hateful ideology.
So glad to see it. Proud of all the commentors willing to share.
Racial supremacy of any color is bad but anyone to the left of karl Marx is labeled as alt right now. This video is bullshit
Right, i mean all these people saying how white people are evil and the cause of all bad stuff in the world and anti white racism is pushed by the media. How dare people react and circle the wagons. What hateful bigots.
Agreed but odd that he had jordan peterson in this video, he is by no means far right...
Darin Newhook This youtuber seems to allude that basically all conservatives alt-right and that progressivism is the cure.
It’s fucking crazy how easy it is to get involved in this. Even though I was born female, I still found myself pulled into communities that actively slandered women. I thought of myself as “one of the good ones” who wasn’t obsessed with my self-image and didn’t put on tons of makeup. Most of the communities I was in were meme-centric, and it was easy to pass off blatant racism and misogyny as just an edgy joke. Even after I started identifying as gay I stayed in the communities and kept the mindset of “I’m not the problem, the reason women/queer people are so hated is because of *them*.” Looking back on it is kind of mind-boggling because in my real life, I was surrounded by tolerant people and people in tons of minorities. The thing that eventually got me out of it was finding a friend IRL who shared a bunch of interests with me who was way farther along the pipeline. He echoed a lot of the sentiments I’d heard, including telling me I was “one of the good ones”. When he got comfortable making really racist comments and sending me video clips of “SJWs getting OWNED!!!!”, I started to realize that this was pretty fucked up. I was able to change and become more tolerant and luckily the friend also grew out of it and didn’t go all the way down the pipeline.
real asf
@BurnsAfterReading Of course, there is a pipeline from "just because it's politically correct, doesn't mean it's right" to "just because it's politically incorrect, doesn't mean it's wrong" to "if it's politically correct, it must be wrong" to "if it's politically incorrect, it must be right"
@@LeBonkJordan That "pipeline" exists. And it's the natural mirror of the "if it sounds rightist it must be wrong" society that most people are born into and many people stay in. Some people stay normies, they just switch sides. Nothing suprising.
@BurnsAfterReading From my 20 second research "truscum communities" just believe in the differentiation of trans people and non-binary people and dislike when the term "trans" is used for people that never experienced gender dysphoria. That seems like the most common sense thing any person could come up with that doesn't have pandering to inclusivity as it's number one priority. It's literally in the trans/cis nomenclature that trans is a binary thing. Why should two groups that have completely different identities and issues identify under the same term?
The whole good/bad thing is highly subjective and if they are advertising oversimplified logic you're not actually forced to take both or leave it. You can think freely. You can wear a suit without wearing a tie.
If you think "SJWs getting OWNED!!!!" is f'd up I wonder what you consider racist. In my country (male) gay people are more likely to vote right wing than the average because it seems that they overproportionately experience insults and attacks from muslim immigrants. Would that be racist?
I remember when a young me argued with my mom on if there was a wage gap. My mom, who dealt with sexism in her career for years. Really sad that this is what happens
Damn bruh
The wage gap is factually only existent because they're comparing gross pay, not taking into account career preferences and time off taken. There have been other studies showing that when you account for these things, women are actually paid more than men in their respective fields. Almost half of women say that they out-earn their husbands. You need to educate yourself.
@@bud389 The wage gap currently, when adjusted to men and women who have the same education, work in the same industry, etc., has women making around 95-98 cents for every dollar a man makes depending on how narrowed down the comparison is. I'd say the bigger issue that women face in the workplace is that they're way less likely to be promoted. Society also puts lower value on "women's work" (teaching, nursing, etc.), and as an industry becomes more female dominated, the pay goes down in proportion to male dominated jobs.
Btw we don't even know where the guy's mom worked or how long ago, and however big or small the average wage gap is, she might have personally had a fucked experience, and having your son ramble on about it even if he's partially right could get nasty and I see why he's remorseful.
Anyway just felt like adding so the conversation doesn't turn toxic like it usually does with this topic. Have a good day!
@@bud389 this video is about ypu
@@munge5356 your incoherent diatribe doesn't amount to a fart in the wind when stacked up against reality. in a greedy capitalist society such as the west, most companies would be staffed only by women if it meant paying less, which would in turn translate to larger profit margins
This video has made me realise how Blair White (a radicalised trans UA-camr) so effective. She, by making fun of fellow trans people that she perceives as not the right “kind” of trans, reinforces the idea that the trans members of her audience are “real” trans people. She preys on the paranoia felt by trans people, paranoia that they don’t pass, that they aren’t “really” trans. And by letting them laugh at people that they don’t consider “really trans”, the connection between being a leftist and being “not trans” is formed. It’s horrible and terrifying, and I ALMOST fell for it, until I watched a video of hers about how non-binary people aren’t “real.”
And this doesn't happen with other creators?
@@aceroy9195 I suppose it does! I just watched her for a (short) time and this video got me thinking about what I now notice about her content.
I don't watch her anymore but I always got the idea when I watched her that the gist was just because a person is part of x group doesn't mean they should be treated differently even if that means ridicule ie if a gay person is acting stupid, weird and nasty to people don't hold back just because there gay tell them there acting like a jackass like you would a straight person
@@pjnaruto1 A valid interpretation! It’s good that that’s the message you took from it, but to me, her content seemed a little to eager to tear down other people. Several of these people were trans individuals, and I recall her saying things about them that were less “calling them out” and more mean-spirited jabs at people who hadn’t fully transitioned.
That’s just my perspective, though!
As a trans person, Blair white is the perfect example of a pick me. She puts stereotypes and lies on a stage and convinces her viewers that, what they are viewing is what lies beyond “one of the good ones.” She plays into preconceived notions and will even lie to make herself seem better. Like other people in that space, she in the beginning might come across as “telling it like it is” or someone who is moderate but “critical” the farther you fall down into her content though, the less critical it becomes and the more fabricated it starts to show. Thing is with the people who truly believe in her, they will leaver her and turn on her the second she stops being a useful source to own the transes. She’s throwing people like herself under the bus, as a form of attention seeking and self preservation.
Seeing how Gabe gets out really reminds me of American History X: a radicalized nazi is removed from his community, they aren't there for him during and after his imprisonment, he has a positive encounter with someone from a community he's supposed to hate, the Nazis in prison turn on him, he is ousted from his community after getting out of prison, he reconnects with former loved ones, and it all works to help him de-radicalize. Makes me think how accurate that movie is, and how spot on this video is.
Hmm.. did you not forget the part where… his little brother is then murdered by the people he supposedly shouldn’t hate anymore lol… like the most important detail of the movie… you so gladly skipped over it… maybe cause it didn’t fit your narrative
I was a guy going through the typical "feminists get destroyed" phase in middle school but while watching Ben Shapiro I thought to myself he doesn't even give an argument he just talks louder and over the other person while the crowd cheers him on. Didn't really get what people saw in him
the fact that you're calling that a "typical" phase is really sad and disturbing to me. I hope it isnt typical.
I left the alt-left because it left like the Catholic church. I'm no longer into politics and I'm just a normie.
I didn’t realize how unimpressive it was to regurgitate paragraphs of the talking points you’ve studied for years to college students and unsuspecting people on the streets. That’s literally what all those “owning” compilation are.
@@LarryWater wtf is an alt-left
@@guiafb99 I’m assuming communism?
“We are who we pretend to be, so we must be careful who we pretend to be.” - Vonnegut Mother Night.
We are who we choose to be.
Pretending is also a choice.
"Fake it til you make it" and "dress for the job you want not the one you have" all make the same point, and it cuts both ways.
Every American should read Kurt Vonnegut. So much wisdom in his books.
OMG one of the best books in the world and I for the first time I see someone acknowledging its existence in the wild! Yay!
sounds like what sjw's call "transitioning"
I almost cried watching this. Gabe’s story is almost my own. I got sucked into the Red Pill stuff back in 2014 after a girl in my French class rejected me. It ended up taking me down a seven-year rabbit hole which made me a cult member and had me working politically for right wing causes. It is a miracle I made it out. Thank you for posting this, the last thing I want is for another young man to go through what I did
Im proud of you dude, you made it out
Now you are getting sucked into the blue 😂 from one side to the other hey
The alt right and Liberals, or Democrats as you seem to be implying, are not at opposite ends of the spectrum. One wants to eradicate minorities, the other doesn't. This is not normal.
@@vinems7434I will see you here repent for your alt-right BS in a couple of years, until then mayo boy
@@Cherry-pu4mxwhich one feels better? thats the true question
In the wake, of you know, everything, sending this to a lot of parents I know with young boys. Shutting down the various nerd and bro pipelines to fascism is really important right now.
This is why people don't like you on principle. Freedom > Censorship.
@@lamaistul go back to getting this video demonetized and age restricted, asshole. Somehow that's not censorship, but parents keeping an eye on how their sons use the Internet is...
You lost get over it
@@purplestarfish90 The Card Says Moops™
Whether or not he actually _believes_ the normalization of hate speech and racial slurs constitutes 'freedom' is irrelevant.
You can't prove he does either way.
The point is, it's what he functionally believes, and supports, as he expresses it.
There's is not a game you're able to win, so don't play it. Or at the very least, don't read it as sincere.
@@ThatTallBrendan yep, you're right, that's why I muted him (and the other fools in the replies) after that. But thank you for the reminder. (I love how everyone does this in the comments of these videos when we get right-wing trolls)
i was radicalized into terf ideology for almost two years. i almost joined an actual physical cult too. i thought trans people were evil and men all conspired to ruin mine and every other woman’s life but mostly i hated trans people. trans kids. i didn’t even fucking know any trans people. my liberal boomer mom was confused as to what happened to me. my leftist best friend decided that i’d come out eventually and that shed just have to wait. i was lonely, that is true, and every once in a while when i regurgitated terf ideology in the right way, i got likes and reblogs and people who liked me. i look back and i hate myself for how i acted and what i said and believed but like you said, i didn’t really believe it all. it was just the price i had to pay for friends.
i’m better now. i love and respect trans people, i have trans friends and i’m open with who i used to be. and i really try and monitor my anger and judgement and loneliness, bc if unchecked it can sound terfy.
thank you for making this video
I'm glad you got out.
what a shame
hi, trans individual here, thank you for, like, improving and stuff
It's easy when we feel sometimes unloved and push to a corner that we end up searching a group that help us.
You don't have to feel same, sometimes is just society pushing a lot on us. The important thing is that you are out 😊 you have to give yourself the credit!
@@topichu970 y’all are annoying
“There’s like. A 20% chance he’s a furry”
Yup. Good ol gabe
Fellow man of culture
Right wing furries? Is that a thing now? That's never been a thing. Right wingers are still saying things like, wait, is a transgender woman a woman that thinks she's a guy? Or is that a transgender man?
I feel attacked.
@@highjumpstudios2384 good
@@ajcarr1965 those have been things for years now and it’s just one extra layer of cringe on top of another
This is marked inappropriate but alt right UA-camrs can make racist and homophobic content without any warning
I know lol then they shriek at the top of their lungs if people comment on their videos saying “yeah, this is fucked up”
@@Sarah-re7cg Yeah, they are too drowned in their ideaologies to see what theyre doing. Its both sad and frustrating. What helped me out of it wasnt this video itself, but it was that my religion taught me: When you help others, you help yourself.
And it helped me see things so much clearer, id probably end up like all these other awful manipulated people if it wasnt for it.
Because it’s more profitable for UA-cam to be anti leftist and pro alt right
Because it’s more profitable for UA-cam to be anti leftist and pro alt right
Because it’s more profitable for UA-cam to be anti leftist and pro alt right
this video is vantablack brimstone straight from the depths of a congolose coal mine
As in it's dark? Or uhh.. similar to coal?
@@toomany_bones It's Marge
in english please
@@Scrufflord Here
*gives you the balkan stare and the jamaican smile at the same time*
BOII WHATCHU SAY ABOUT PHONK
*goes into noradrenaline flow state
trollface crashout mode*
Kai cenat: CHAT IS HE THE KING?
KSI: From the screen to the ring to the pen to the KING 😈
*OPP so scared he jumps into water*
Logan Paul: Blud didn´t know that was still water 😭
@@yeehawitshecrazyfrogys
"I'm biting the hand that feeds me a bit here..."
Statistically speaking, they're feeding you half a peanut shell, so.
When he's allergic to peanuts...
Bite away. Chew the limb off
They're actually paying me nothing, I don't put ads on my videos. But I require the platform to make a living.
@Aru Gula Insecure much?
@Aru Gula "The mark of true courage is putting advertisements on your videos!"
I've done a decent amount of research into radicalization into the alt-right and this video hits on both academic/peer-reviewed and anecdotal research perfectly point by point. I cannot over-state how good your videos are (specifically this and the GamerGate endnote), and I will definitely be citing both. :)
Really? As person who actually as you would call get "radicalised" I'd give it rather low score. Overrelying on anecdotal evidence, poor understanding of actual thought leaders, strawmanning, poor understanding of main routes how people lose faith in left establishment. (Memes are relevant at poking holes in echo chamber, but actually not even the key route)
@@Sneed_formerly_chucks You lost.
The leftists has 0 logic
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 , funny, "thought leaders"
@@TyLamb?
This being age restricted but not the literal right wing propaganda all over this website should REALLY make you think.
Don't want the younger teens being targeted by the alt right to get out, do you UA-cam?
(And I was swear they target teens and early 20s communities because that was how old I was)
@@Geminisparkles You realize they age restrict this content BECAUSE it talks about nazis.
Also, can you explain the moral argument on why white genocide is a good thing. I'm pretty economically left wing but I don't get how removing whites from existence is morally justifiable.
I see rightwingers getting suspensions and bans on both UA-cam and Twitter
It might have something to do with the image of the bloody body...
@@delicheese6774 nah trust me, it's because it has the word "nazi" in it. youtube is censoring it. in fact, can you even see my comment about it?
This hits me, very hard. I Was dangerously close to becoming an alt-righter when I was in high school. I was a shy anti-social kid with autism and no friends that at that time went through a break-up that made me suicidal. I found solace in one of my classmates whom we shared interests. I didn't know it at the time but he was straight up an antisemitic fascist and was trying to get me on his side. He invited me to Discord servers where people would say incredibly heinous shit about mexicans, jews, muslims, etc. And I just went along with it, because I thought it was all a joke. I was incredibly ignorant to not see that he was genuine about "Jews shouldn't have rights" or "women only exist to produce offspring" It wasn't until my parents told me that he wasn't allowed in our house that something clicked in me.
It also helped that I was making more friends with more tolerant people that I realized I needed to end my relationship with him as soon as possible. I asked to move to a different homeroom my sophomore year because we were in the same homeroom. I didn't tell him why, but he somehow found out that I didn't want to be his friend anymore and he called me a "traitor"
And I was very happy. Now I am a bisexual trans girl and my life is better for it. Had I not had all of those other people to help me get out of the hole I was digging for myself, I would probably be in jail, dead, or disgraced from my family.
Holy shit, you go girl!
From trans to trans
We love you always
@@oblivionox09_ You know something funny? There is an ?Alt right?? trans discord. It's just.... white trans girls talking about how it's not morally justifiable to let the white race to vanish and stuff about jews representing a disproportionate amount of the media and banking.
how did you leave ?
@@marvin2678 I left by just... not talking to any of the alt righters i was talking to.
@@SpongeMagic whats so bad about being right wing ?
"If you've ever known a gabe-"
Oh my friend.
I was gabe...
EDIT: Alright so a ton of fucking people in the replies to this are calling out the legitimacy of my being alt right because I didnt follow far right content creators or subscribe to far right "ideology". To make it clear, *I NEVER CLAIMED I WAS ALT RIGHT* . My intention was to say I was that person, and that I was on the way towards it. If you read how I explained how even this was enough to be immensely destructive for me, then hopefully you'll understand my intention. Fuckin christ.
glad you aren't anymore
Most of us were once, not all of us, but a good percentage.
But we improved and we will continue to improve.
Because we have hope and each other.
Mr Gilgamesh I said it elsewhere, but I think every middle class white male goes through this to a certain degree. Everyone laughed at these indoctrinating jokes in high school, it’s just a matter of growing up and knowing the difference between “edgy for the sake of edgy” and “edgy for the sake of satire/tasteful comedy/etc.”
@@rockheadonesixtwo Not just middle-class ones. Plenty of working-class men can easily slip into this sinkhole if they don't know the full situation and scenario surrounding the discourse.
@Paul Tello no, actually. Never liked sargon, and I didnt know about Crowder. For me it was Chris Ray Gun, who I, in all honesty, still have a soft spot for. His exaggerated, dark humor always appealed to me. But I realise now that his content is pretty reactionary, so I dont watch him any more. To tell the truth, all of my "redpilling" was created by me. I always saw "the left" as a bunch of stick in the mud, smug, hypocritical dickbags, but the right never strayed away from being actual maniacs who actually want to oppress human rights. Nowadays, I realise what I thought was "the left" is actually just neoliberals, and what I thought was "the right" is... well... everything i thought and worse. I wasnt an alt righter. But I acted like one. I used their rhetoric, I used their type of humor, and I showed all the signs of somebody who was on their way down the alt right pipeline. There were people who tried to warn me, but, I didnt listen. I was too dedicated to my idea of "freedom to offend" and "the evil of identity politics". In all honesty, those positions havent really gone away. But nowadays I recognize their destructive nature, and actually have ideology behind it. I lost a lot of good friends because of the way I acted. I hurt a lot of people. The alt right destroys the lives of even the people who arent even that far in it.
Sorry for posting my whole life story, ranting just kind of comes naturally to me whenever I feel prompted.
I would appreciate if UA-cam would stop randomly delisting, age-gating, or otherwise messing with this incredibly important video.
I'm guessing that the alt-right pipeline sells and that that, combined with getting reported (possibly reported, who really knows) is part of the reason this was made less accessible.
A similar thing happened to one of "How to cook that" videos where she warned of the danger of those "hack" channels and one hack specifically that has gotten a few people killed. Follow the money I guess?
(Note: this may be conspiracy, but it's a conspiracy that makes sense)
It's not random, the fash mass reports videos like this nonstop and floods it with repetitive comments making fun of them.
@@Lurdiak or it could be because ian pointed out youtube's role in all this (that's just my guess tho; yours is good too)
Important for what? Lowering the standard IQ of the human population?
Could be because it's pretty radical. A grand conspiracy and everyone who doesn't think the same as you is a Nazi/Racist...pretty extreme
This video continues to be more relevant than ever
coping
@@zoombomberguy4332 Low iq comment
Even though I see this problem as hugely Western, I think this kind of radicalization also applies to the rise of Islamic conservatism in my country. At least I can apply this knowledge to my surrounding, so thanks
Ha, now he just thinks you're a problematic Islamophobe.
@@barnaclebill1388 It'd be funny if I can be considered an islamophobe when my national ID card clearly states that I'm a Muslim myself haha
@reesey It's Indonesia, somewhere in Southeast Asia
don't you DARE say anything true about islam
@@alvmusic4402 troll elsewhere thx
This reminds me of this quote from Bioshock: “you don’t have to build cities to make people worship you. Just make the chumps feel like they’re worth a nickel”
When it feels like the world wants you to die, it's apparently pretty natural to unhealthily cling to the first person to see you as a person.
I love the fact that the term snowflakes is coined by a gay man in a book making fun of toxic masculinity.
Shut up snowflake ;)
Garry Love No you snowflake ;)
What movie? I didn't know.
bram9333 Fight Club. People REALLY missed the point of that film.
bram9333 Fight Club
Edgy 13 year olds watching the 136th "Feminist Cringe Compilation" successfully being recruited to the alt-right:
Lesbians telling straight men & women how they should interact IS cringe.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y LMFAOO u drunk?
@@twothree5405 You haven't noticed how many Alphabet Mafia members think they can tell straight people how to behave ?
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y yooo alphabet mafia sounds legit funny man LMAOOO😭😭 where'd you get these phrases and where can i find them 🤣
@@twothree5405 From other comments around UA-cam.
Seeing that this video was from 4 years ago really put into perspective just how consistent these tactics are, I was sure this was a new video. The more down trodden groups (by the alt right) that realise they matter and they fight for the equality they deserve, the more concrete these tactics become and I don't know how to feel about that.
The alt right already has equality.
@@RashedeGazzi I’m unsure what you mean by that? I was saying groups down trodden by the alt right and other factors not the alt right groups that want equality? If you could explain further that would help.
@@AmyAvanue Actually I was confused thinking you were saying the alt right were downtrodden. I know they feel that way it's just that they always look in the wrong places for their enemies. If they actually looked real hard they will find that their enemy usually looks like their dads if you know what I mean.
I was a Gabe once myself. It's kinda disturbingly funny how easily closeted trans women can get pulled into this
Same here sister, same here.
@@Villa_Triff I wonder if there's a name for trans women who were once right leaning. If not, maybe it should be a Gabby or something. Idk, probably a bad idea since it's an actual name
ya im seeing a lot of ex gabes turned gabriella's in the comments
@@idklol1233-u7z lol yeah. I know a couple trans woman friends who are/were like this.
@@josharko111 prolly something to do w how ppl perceived as men are socialized under the patriarchy but im too tired to talk about that lol
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i was a gabe from age 11 (2016 election ish, when SJW compilations were at their peak) until january 6th when i was 16 nearing 17. the pandemic/BLM protests of 2020 were definitely a point i shifted more towards a less authoritarian perspective, but watching the general reaction of right wingers to J6 was my final "straw" for right wing ideologies in general. i feel like it definitely relies on naive people such as gabe. it is possible to escape the cycle, it always is.
i know this video is a few years old atp and was made while i was a right winger, but it's still worth contributing i feel. im 5 months from my twenties and i feel like ive gone pretty far left, i dont know how to properly "atone" for the sins of early teen years me.
It's a good sign that you feel an obligation to atone for alt right behaviors in what is literally your childhood. Be gentle with yourself. You were groomed in the literal sense of the word. All things considered, as far as atonement goes, it's enough to have remorse and commit to doing better going forward. Had you been an adult at that time, or an insurrectionist, or an influencer, or politician, you would have a lot more to answer for, but you were a kid manipulated by all sorts of things that were designed explicitly to manipulate you. Congratulations on making it out!
Imma be honest seeing all those reformed Gabes in the comments is actually kinda wholesome
It's funniest as roughly counting 1/4 of them mentioned changing sides because of having some sexual issues (homosexual or transsexuals). So you take them.
@@quinn.iamdefinitelycisgend2542"is the term these days" Funny how words describing some concepts earn negative connotations so fast that people have in hurry replace them with a new ones.
Well, I'm not sure you should bother with such minute terminological nuances. We're commenting under a video where a recent form of US nationalism (alt-right) is being used as a generic word covering also completely unrelated forms of nationalism in other countries. (seriously, in central Europe no-one is yelling "America first" :D ).
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 im aware. But, i thought i would leave a quick comment on the off chance you didn't know. Also its not negative connotations, transsexual just isnt an accurate term as a whole
@@quinn.iamdefinitelycisgend2542 I don't see how this term would be in any way more precise. All I see is people in this echo chamber intensively trying to use new words and re-define the old ones. It leads to everything but precision (though sometimes it become hilarious like in case of "birthing person"). Assuming that there is some logic in it, it serves predominantly muddling water for scoring some political aims or as way of determining in-group/out-group members.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 no man, its literally more accurate because not everyone goes on cross sex hormones, or desires to present as the other sex (non binary folk)
The MOMENT i left my wife I started getting bombarded with alt right shit. Its insane.
Take solace in the knowledge that, by being here, you're responding better to it all than Elon Musk is.
Kudos to you to get out of it broo , just know that whoever on the internet is trying to make you feel insecure about yourself or make you feel that " your not man enough" IS DESTRUCTIVE FOR YOU , AT THE END OF THE DAY YOUR A FREE HUMAN BEING CAPABLE OF SOO MANY COMPLEX AND BEAUTIFUL THINGS!
Jesus... Thank goodness you noticed and pushed back against it! Imagine a timeline where you let them get your claws into you and you were brainwashed into thinking an entire 1/2 of the world's population (4 billion people!!) were purposefully out to get you just because you went through a pretty common major life event. Your reasons for leaving your wife are your own, but I'm glad that you didn't let outsiders with twisted agendas take advantage of whatever happened with your _personal_ relationship to extend any pain you might have had into endless rage and misery at the mere sight of single women, partnered women, married women, partnered men or happily married men. Because that's where they innevitably lead you to.
@@conspiracypanda1200yeah Same happend to me i get really drained in left radicals socialist bullshit but i came out of or
Beta male
I once watched a video about "Soyboys" you know from whom. And the next day all my feed was in this videos, Ben Shapiros videos, "Funny feminist fail compilations" and etc. WTF, UA-cam?
There’s a button called “don’t recommend” if you don’t wanna see it.
Capitalism dude. They'll sell you fucking Mein Kampf before they sacrifice profit. If we offer a bunch of dangerous radicalising videoes to this guy THINK OF ALL THE AD REVENUE.
@@ultimatetadpole9607 I don't think these videos are monetised
@@nicolasw4423 yes but they often have patreons or merch stores.
Happened to me too. It was pretty creepy like they were trying to brainwash me.
I come back to this series every now and then, and I just thought I'd leave a heartfelt thank you. It's been 5 years since I watched this, but I think this video is what halted my radicalisation
Man I'm so glad I escaped that hellhole. As shitty as that period was, it gives me a lotta perspective on how impressionable we are, how invisible the hand of propaganda can really be, and especially the dangers of confining yourself into a bubble, leading to ideological rabbitholes.
Though I'm what many would consider a leftist today, I've taken my experiences to tread cautiously and try not to put myself in an echo chamber. We are never immune to proganda, not even after "escaping". It does make things harder though, trying to take in many perspectives rather than falling back into being fed information/ told what to think by these new "enlightened sources"
Escaped one just to enter another. ua-cam.com/video/e3QjxYaIiKk/v-deo.html
@@SentientSentinel Ok boomer.
So you went from right wing radical to a leftist who cheers on riots and bricks being thrown at cops? Trash.
@@websurferwizard I would be really careful about blaming the actions of a few on everyone you disagree with. You may not like it when the shoe is on the other foot.
@@SentientSentinel I just checked the link that leads me to the video. Nonsense? Dislike.
I wouldn't really describe Steven Universe as having a wholesome community if I'm honest with you.
It was a bad choice of words. I meant "being a fan of something wholesome."
@@InnuendoStudios It's ok. We all slip up sometimes.
tbf I've been in it for like 4 years and I haven't really seen anything really bad after the whole zamii stuff happened. It's mostly just a bunch of teenagers drawing stuff lol
Sometimes people can get a bit overly protective and hostile about things they care about and emotionally connect with such as tv shows and videogames, which is understandable
Im not too involved with that community but I love love love the show. Ive been with it since it was a pilot. Im happy to get new episodes regardless I dont like the fact that the whole series is gonna end soon (as far as we know) and i also hate how it hasnt felt like a whole lot has happened since it started when I first got in high school to now 2 years out because hiatus.
I love how the default picture for Olly nowadays is Devil Olly. Everyone seems to use pictures from that video in particular.
HAIL SOBEK, I mean DEVIL OLLIE
I liked his arsonist character personally, lot of meaning there.
It's Halloween Ollie
He put a lot of work into it! I mean he put a lot of work into all his characters, but we gotta appreciate the snek
It's hard to beat that lighting
The problem is, that Gabe will not see the radical podcasts, influencers and commentators as radical. They often mask themselves as "centrist" and "neutral".
That’s something I’ve noticed too. Nazi’s in disguise.
I knew a "Gabe" who was literally named Gabe.
>was
Ominous.
I knew a Chad who was an actual chad.
Like, holy fuck was he chaddey.
Did he love video games too?
@Bonus Malus It's in minute one of this video.
Same
aaaaaand that’s a wrap on watching the joe rogan experience. genuinely thank you for opening my eyes
I always thought he was reasonable, until I was shown that his shows are giving these corrupt people a platform to get more engagement and send more people down the pipeline. After I understood the gravity of the situation it entirely changed my view. Even if his views aren't extreme, he's putting extreme views out there via his guests
I'm very glad that you were able to take initiative and choose the harder path of bettering yourself. it can be difficult to do something that requires a lot of effort and doesn't immediately give you gratification the way a lot of these creators appear to do, so I just want to take a moment to appreciate your drive and not overlook it as something insignificant. wishing you nothing but the best 🙏
proud of you man. good job.
Yeah years ago he was kinda fine. But he's got some very specific guests way too often lately (and I use the term lately very loosely here, like the last 5 years).
@@henrybell8983 millions of people watch Joe Rogan , millions aren't radicalized
Looking back to my teenage years I realized this happened to a group of friends I had. They gradually radicalized, and this change made me really unconfortable, it was like they suddenly became different people so I drifted away from them.... I wonder if they at least had a change of mind or reflected on what happened to them...
This started happening in my friend group, too. It got really fucking tough for a few years. I just held on as long as I could, until eventually they realized how incomprehensible it was. Couldn't save everyone, though.
they were a wee bit much of the wrong opinion
In france we got a whole video game site with a forum that is pretty much well on this slippery slope... Some of the members are not that much radicalized, but all of them denie any kind of manipulation of any sort, and (of course) any "politic alignment", but they often organise "raids" over the same targets : social rights fighters who are considered enemies to their forum, full of now well known memes and words inherent from this forum.
@@V3nom7 why would they defend theirselves
@ayy lmao they have no justification to hold different opinions
Ok just my own story and reflections since the video hit way to close to home:
The exact moment it started for me was when the topic of feminism was first brought up in school. As a sheltered kid I had barely heard or understood that women right was even a thing that people had to fight over. I remember feeling confused, accused, and most importantly very unintelligent for not understanding any of what was being discussed. I definitely understood how women had been treated badly in the past, i could not understand what was the problem was now. I had never seen anyone treat women badly, so why would that ever be a problem? So I decided to look more into it by putting "feminism" into UA-cam. And you can kinda guess where that brought me.
The videos I found made me feel smart, and right in my positions. The feminists were freaking out over nothing! The videos gave me arguments, they thought me stuff that made me feel right, like men (and of course that meant me also) could never do anything wrong, and if there ever happened something it was a freak occurrence.
I remember continuing this path of religiously watching these youtubers, catching every upload. They became the daily dose of "lets feel good about yourself" while I certainly lacked that in real life.
Sometime after 2016 it changed tho. I don't remember witch year, but it was a slower process. I remember having a really bad time during 2017, and I just think life stuff was taking up way to much of my time to get angry about another "CRAZY FEMINAZI" online. By the end of 2019 I remember watching a more left leaning content creator, and getting myself re exposed to the political drama on UA-cam, but on the reverse side. I now move away from this again since I feel it sometimes is just there to get my rage fix for the day.
I don't really feel that the pipeline changed me as a person, but the flaws that I already had was what brought me down it to begin with. I was (and still am) asocial, insecure and very lonely. But the only thing that has changed is that I know have some hope for myself and the future.
sorry if I got to personal for a moment lol
Seems a little sus but, I would reccomend not letting yourself slip too far to one side or the other, the views they hold may hold truth (in some way shape or form), but the people that want power will always take it to the extreme, contorting the message to fuel their cause. I.E. almost every dictator of the 1900s
Your experience eerily similar to mine. Back then, I was probably down on myself and beating myself up for being a boring person. no skills, dreams and motivation
While before I kind of understand that any ideology has a crazy ideology of their own, I used to watch those red pilled contents and feminist fail content as a way for me to cope and think that at least I'm better than those people.
Holy shit man exactly what happened to me when I was 12
Cmon over to the left and let's fix this place for everyone (well, except the billionaires, I guess.)
Oh thank God that I am not the only person that is highlighting that bad experiences often do make you slip to a side... Especially when you're in developing ages which is around your teenage years to 25 years of age. However psychologically vulnerable people generally can be pushed to left or right by having bad experiences with people of the opposite political alignment.
so many people underestimate the power of saying "damn, that's kinda fucked" at a homophobic or racist joke
@neev130 damn, that's kinda fucked
thats why you dont have any friends
@@pqlfn damn, that's kinda fucked
true. humor can disguise genuine hatred pretty well
The power of not giving positive reinforcement to bigotry.
I mean, sometimes jokes are just jokes, of course.
But uh- better safe than racist.
I was almost Gabe. I fit the role of "bullying victim with weird interests who feels emasculated" and I was the perfect target. I was definitely on-track to becoming a radical bigot, till I realized I'm gay. I've said it countless times that my sexuality saved me from being manipulated into bigotry.
You got reddited
It doesn't always. You are blessed.
@@ppetal1 Yeah, if only all gay men thought this way. I see so much blatant misogyny, transphobia, racism, ableism coming from gay cis men and it's just sad.
Either way looks like you figured out you probably shouldnt procreate 😂
same here man, my dad was a horrible influence on me in that way, it’s really scary to think about what type of person i could’ve been
let’s also not forget to mention how many of us grew up watching political humor/shock accounts like Leafyishere and Keemstar growing up. I was nine when I regularly watched Leafy every single day and channels like his. I think the impact of they’re influence on youtube and reach to a younger audience has been absolutely colossal in the growth of Alt-Right channels today such as Lowder with Crowder and Shapiro. All those kids such as myself were desensitized at a young age to borderline racism and bullying.
HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY ALT RIGHT!?
Crowder is a Conservative and Ben Shapiro is a jew.
It amazes me how far our circles are from eachother, that you would confuse NEOCONS for us.
@@burneraccount8416 Even if you don't consider them alt-right, they are undeniably a gateway to alt-right talking points.
@@DekterGslippery rope fallacy, they're not real
@kirakira and now you're on the other side of the spectrum as a 14 year old, how the turn tables!
@kirakira I can tell you now that LeafyIsHere didnt radicalize me. It was probably E;R.
Thankfully, i'm much more self-aware of this sort of shit nowadays and can maintain a more moderate view while consuming whatever the fuck I want. It just helps to be willing to hear all sides. I probably watch as much hbomberguy as I do Jordan B Peterson. Its healthy to be exposed to as much political ideologies as you can be since it'll help you figure out where you lie exactly on the political spectrum in different policy areas. Like, most normal people dont tow the party line.
this should be a mandatory watch as apart of high school education i swear to god
Bro you're so right, imagine how much bigotry we could avoid if we all watched this at like 12.
@@dryspace5655 oh my god no , this is liberal agenda , i will never let my kids watch this
/s
This and classes for emotional development and processing
Damn, leftists now openly admitting that their bullshit mind-virus can only be transmitted by indoctrinating school children
@@ijon-y4549 ….basic emotional processing and communication is not indoctrination..it’s something that should absolutely be on every curriculum as a life skill. Do you also oppose learning how to fill out tax forms? Balance a budget? Is that indoctrination too? Y’all are fucking clowns lmao
I was definitely a gabe. As a member of the ifunny community as a preteen and teenager I regularly interacted and talked with accounts that were on their 70+ ban, laughing along with jokes to fit in. this video really struck home with me on how accurate it all is to my own experiences, and how lucky I was to escape before getting sucked in deeper. I just found your channel today and I am already binging, thanks for your work
That takes me back to my edgy teenager years back in the early to mid 10s.
I'm proud of you for getting out, it can definitely be hard. You made the right choice and I hope your life is better now. If you cringe at the past it's actually a good thing because it shows you moved to the future
@@divine5328 yup, I try to see it that way. If I can see that I was a lost little gremlin in the past, it just shows how far I've come.
@@ComradeCovert Definitely!!
how did you leave ?
I really want to see a 2024 remake of this. Maybe specifically targeted at gen Z men. Gabe is gone and has been replaced with some douchebag with a mop cut named Brayden. And we need to do something.
Nowadays the left just blames everything on Skibidi Toilet🚽 like the betas they are☠️☠️
Take some responsibility. The extreme-left created the alt-right as a balancing counterpoint. The hate and extremism came first from the left, then people pushed back with equal force. The SJW culture wars were real and "we" were the target of abuse. Trump won because he has a plan that doesn't involve letting the country be overrun by illegal immigrants and descent into full blown socialism. The US cannot become a second China. Freedom is fundamental to a functioning democracy. Democracy is an outcome of having freedom. The Democrats went too far left to be taken serious anymore and until they shed the identity politics cult and weird alliance with Islamism they will never be a choice for most Americans.
@@lamaistul Hi Gabe.
@@markpayton3895 I'm way too old to be a Gabe. I'm an oldfag. Veteran of culture wars.
Take the L😂
Hits a little to close to home because 2 years ago I was a Gabe.
Glad you're out of the pipeline.
we are here for you
Same here, feels weird to say but thanks depression for getting me away from youtube for a while. I'm, oddly enough, a lot happier now I'm not upset that a woman is in a movie.
You will never be welcomed back. Once you travel down that road such as gabe did you are forever gone. Stop pretending to be one of us and go back to your alt-right trash hole.
@@NoName-rl6kd (ironic name much) Not helpful dude. Honestly, how the frick are we to fight the alt right if we don't welcome those who get out. We should be trying to create the circumstances needed for someone to get out. Honestly, stop it with being unwelcoming to people who are trying to be better people.
@That Kid, Glad you got out. We're here for you, I hope that you don't see people like From the Ashes that often.
This video made me feel guilt more than anything else because I know a "Gabe" and I often wonder if I could have done more to change the trajectory of his life. He was my best friend for close to 20 years, but I haven't spoken to him since roughly 2019. Friends should be open with one another and talk about uncomfortable subjects, and though I expressed my feelings regarding the people and ideologies he began to surround himself with, I don't think I did enough. At this point I've probably confirmed his biases enough via alienation that he'd never trust me the same way again. :/
This was hard to read. :(
I hope you do well and don't give up hope for Gabe!
Don't be too harsh with yourself. Your mental well being it's one of the most important things you have. And if in that moment you wasn't strong enough to protect yourself while beeing with him in his rants, well what you have done was the right thing to do. Would you blame someone who escaped an abusing relationship just because the abuser was traumatized because of something that happened before meeting the person? Forgive and be kind not only with the others, but even with yourself... :)
I felt that
I had a Gabe too and when she started going down the pipeline she very quickly cut ties with most of her friends except for me cause she saw me as “one of the good ones” probably because I’m a straight man but I couldn’t really reason with her much and she cut me out too soon after
I'm really ashamed of my Gabe-ness in high school, but I feel better knowing I'm not the only former Gabe out there
I'm with you. Once I finally understood and actually checked my privileg instead of thinking it was an insult my entire world view changed. I can't believe I voted for a facist in the past...
It's almost a joke among male white leftists that a lot of them were gabes in highschool, and it's almost entirely due to this kind of radicalization. Moreover it's really easy to fall into that trap of feeling an excess of guilt about the past. Honestly, my answer is just make sure you're doing a little better every day, and understand that you're probably not gonna like everything that past you did or believed. Honestly what you believed as a kid probably wasn't your fault anyway, but you can absolutely choose what you believe now that you're an adult and that's most of what still matters
So like, 10/10 good for you for not falling into that trap.
Me too man me too
It's funny that pregerU is treated as a joke even among some right wingers even tho what they preach used to be mainstream.
@Tyler Fox im not familiar
this is one of those videos that everyone ever should watch at least once twice. just so important
yeah it gave me aids
I almost got radicalized myself, but luckily for me I did not go far enough
Be glad, a step too deep ruins your mind
@@kenjidev576 it's a lefty thing. Problem?
@@kenjidev576 "mentally weak". Who tf says that kind of crap?
I'll bet your wife's boyfriend is proud of you.
Good for you man, proud of you!
Wow, can't watch this in playlist mode, UA-cam tries to skip to the next video.
Seems like UA-cam _really_ doesn't want me to know about the alt-right and their tactics.
The "community" aspect of this is huge. I can't even express how many gaming channels or social commentary channels I've dipped a toe into and been like "yeah, I like this..." and then gotten a little deeper and realized "jesus, these guys are super angry and targeting a very select group of enemies" (you know what I'm talking about). Luckily I've got a diverse group of inputs that have allowed me to catch the trend but if I was a little bit less aware I could easily see someone going down that rabbit hole.
*cough* Last of Us 2 *cough*
Alex Scott
Oh my god r/GamingCircleJerk was so funny to be on during that whole fiasco lol
Also *cough* furries *cough*
Alex Scott
Mmm... 🤨
They kill off the main character of the previous game and make half of it from the perspective of the person who killed our beloved “hero”.
It’s fair to get some pushback on that.
@@ard1805 I mean yeah, but most of the vocal pushback was bigoted. That controversy was a textbook example of what this video was talking about.
Fatuous: Innovator of Sadness
If it was a hillbilly named jed you’d hear the same racial attacks about that character too though.
I’m not saying none of it is legit racism, but I think a good amount is basically like defensive trolling.