My quick upgrade to 10Gig networking..
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2019
- More to come from this upgrade. But I am looking forward to faster connections between more PCs! Trick is...getting more PC's....
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FYI a better way to test you connection speed is by using Iperf3 that will actually test the connection of your nics without the bottleneck of you ssd(s)
Don't get wrapped up in the parameters for tweaking iperf. -s and -c should suffice.
Also switchport channel grouping to support LACP to support up to 8Gbps (might be more, but if I recall there's a physical port limit for grouping) to your C2960. You need LACP for mixed vendor compatibility.
His speed is probably limited by the cpu in the server or host computer (he does need to log into this unit / factory reset and change password and firmware update it, they can be comprised if just ignored with default password) also apart from his POE cams does he even need 1gb switch any more just run everything into the 10gb network
Actually I think all his POE cams still run off that China POE switch in the roof space so probably doesn't need tbe cisco POE switch at all
@Joseph Fornecker hi Joseph, running multiple instances on different ports works. Issue with iperf is that it's single threaded therefore only operating on one CPU per process, and will max out in the gigs. To test >10G, I had to fire up 8 instances of iperf -s -p ####, and had ~8 work laptops to test... Then we went optical 10G because of the headroom of LACP and wasted GigE ports. LACP in active active mode works great, can get like 97%+ combined interface throughput without issue. Some vendors have issues with their implementation of active, bit Linux servers to Cisco works great, and so does some mixed vendor to Cisco. Some brands (cough ubiqui-garbage cough) fails to deliver 50% of one interface throughput when multiple interfaces are set up in LACP. Might be fine for offices for redundancy, but not for real-world or corporate networks.
@Joseph Fornecker I should also mention that if you set it up using source destination mac address balancing, then it won't work as expected. Need to do it based-off weighted throughout or something like that.
Men: I wish I had a man cave
Jason: I have a man house, Wife approval factor not required
My absolute dream ;)
Mr Unknown having a man cave or having no wife?
I have a man house and a girly partner of 25 years, so Dude, they are not mutually exclusive.
Man cave with a nice rack, Hmmm...
I have a man apartment. No bitch approval needed. Would take the man cave over the wife any f****ng day.
Even if you don't use the smart switch stuff... You still need to 1. Change the password. 2. Keep the firmware up to date.
And change vlan from default vlan 1 to another. Leaving vlan 1 empty
@Jimbe It is a safety practice to use default vlan only for untagged traffic and managment.
@Jimbe Good practices are universal in my opinion
Gotta have a way to stream all that LEGALLY OBTAINED CONTENT at max speed around the house. 👍
content creators acutally really need 10g, it makes a difference if you transfer your videos 10x speed...
@@galsherp6173 if you have a NAS it might also be useful (overkill one but still)
Been able to move stuff around at ssd speeds is nice (be it contents creator stuff or not content creator stuff) but anything he obtains probably is downloaded directly on the NAS and transcoded on the NAS it self any way
@@leexgx you can record to nas, i dont do it because i once lost all my footage... its risky, better record local and then transfer it for encoding it on server
Terabytes and terabytes of totally and completely legal content.
Just like Tim Allen strapping a V8 onto a washing machine to make it faster, I need my home network of totally legal content to stream at 10g, and am hoping the UDM Pro and UniFi 24 port POE pro i just bought help me get there...
LOVE the precision tool of the grill spatula to open the box! lol
Kenny Pacheco well it said dont use a knife... never said anything else! lol
what guy these days doesn't have a pocket knife? Loved it
You can use DAC cables (copper) in your SFP ports too. For example, you can use 10GB DAC cables between your switch and your servers or switch to switch.
The main workstation NEEDS a name. It cannot be sitting in Asgard with no name. I submit for approval.... Baldur (one of the Warriors Three).
Also, glad you found a 10G copper solution. I went and rebuilt my pfsense router with 4 10G copper ports and added a 1G/10G POE switch for my main computer and other smaller devices at my desk (Raspberry Pis, PS4, etc). My speeds between my 2 unraid servers and my may computers top out at 800Mb/s. Adjust the MTu on your Windows computer to 9000 (Device Manager>your network card>Properties>Advanced Settings). Thanks for the vids, and enjoy your holidays.
Yeah, good approach. That is my path also. I just haven't done it yet. Like I said above. I want 24 of 10G, but I just can't buy the switch right now at their costs. I'd go smaller (like you), then I'd expand when I can afford to do it.
My thought was Hela.
looks like the 4-5Gbps is because your 10Gbps is bottlenecked by your ssd on wich your docker is hosted?
@@Elemental-IT I agree. I switched out my SSD cache for a 2TB NVME drive and the speed doubled. He should def look into that.
@@SpookyLurker What do you think nvme is?
@@SpookyLurker What? Well it sounds all wrong to you then.
Generally speaking you can go into the smartswitch software and LAGG ports or bond them together, but both sides of the equation have to support LAGG.
do you have jumbo frames configured?
You could add a Trunk / Link Aggregration (LAG) / LACP between the switches. Maybe link 4 single gig ports over, if ports are available. Make sure both switches support same kind of aggregation.
What platform it is you managed the server?
I like your Christmas tree lol.
Merry Christmas bit byters 🎄🎅
Yes you can configure the Cisco and the Netgear with LAG ports.
community.netgear.com/t5/Smart-Plus-Click-Switches/XS728T-Can-t-change-LAG-to-LACP/td-p/1160987
In case Jason is not aware;
LAG = link aggregation. (Multiple ports working together to provide on faster combined link between switches in this case.)
But if he has 24 10gb ports does he even need to bother, just plug everything into the 10gb switch even if its 1,2.5,5gb devices (cams will need to stay on old switch for POE but they don't need link aggregation probably only use 100mb any way)
@@btw111 Link aggregation doesn't provide a "faster" combined link. That's not how it works.
@@ambassadorofpain1 Sorry, I may have over simplified there in effort to "put it in layman's terms". I am aware; and there are plenty of other good comments below on this video explaining how LAG works, so I felt it not necessary to reiterate.
I like the vid, thanks, educational, I'm just wondering where did you buy that switch, heck of a deal of you ask me, been looking on ebay, and could never find such.
So this system just for transfering a file or is this for a dumb terminals around your home?
I like the improvised use of coat hangers to hold cabling :)
Improvised? I think that is the permanent solution! LOL
Sir for small business which is best to use to give service good on running ONU Gpon or others please suggest.
That was a very cheap price. Hope it serves you well. "Happy New Year"
The best thing about this switches is that they are power efficient (in comparison to other brands). I got 1Gig version and it works perfect in rack which is in my office.
All best in New Year!
haha dude that Christmas tree made me follow you!
The way he open the box I thought this was a SpongeBob video for a second
I don't recall Jason which Cisco Switch do you have?
You could set a LAGG link (link aggregation) between the two switches to add more bandwidth, of course, this requires that both switches are managed ("smart").
Also as others have pointed out, please take a look at iPerf3. it is a network speed tester
Does your new 10 Gig switch run hot?
you should look into Direct Attach Copper cables. They're like fiber, but copper and made for short distances, like going inbetween your two switches. They use the same SFP/SFP+ ports that fiber optics use, and can deliver the same speeds, espically for the short distance in your setup.
Yes, he should absolutely look into shit that still doesn't solve his use case.
Cool Video of course , I Just Threw Together A UnRaid Server But My Main Problem With It Is The Speed As Where My FreeNas I Can Get Full 10Gb Which I Really Love ! I Still Need To Get Plugins Figured Out & VM's ! I Want The pci Pass through For Plex & Emby & maybe vms ! Any advice?? Thanks
What is this file server?what os you use ?
Is this loud is the fans on this switch? I share an office with wife and network rack.
Nice definitely jealous. Right now just have my PC connected to my home server with a DAC cable. The future is copper though, even Cat 5e in the wall should push much faster speeds than 1gbs if thats what you already have in the walls.
Love the network video's. Very much like me when I get new gear chuck it on the network and see how it goes.
dont they make poe switch with a 10gb uplink
Nice switch creating a separate Network backbone using 10GB switch! Works great for transferring files to a server like plex server without the traffic from the internet slowing your transfer speed.
Better idea than fiber for SFP+, just use DAC cables. Super cheap on amazon for some decent ones thatll run on cisco and other hardware easily.
When you go to turn on your "speed test" docker at around 8:24, what interface are you in please?
Unraid
@@canadianryan3875 Thanks for the quick response! I really like all of the system data that is displayed and the ability to launch Docker containers. I am running a VMware lab at home and I want to run a Docker environment from within the cluster, so I am trying to figure out a good solution.
@@rayk32 check out spaceinvader one he has some really good videos on unraid and dockers
It's not a smart switch, it's a managed switch :) Grats on the upgrade, I'd like to have 10gig too, but I'll just trunk ports if I actually need anymore than 1gig.
You can flip the netgear rack mount ears around to align with your existing switch. If that is something you wanted.
Connect the two switches with 4 ethernet connections in a link aggregation group. It will really improve performance.
At 8:27 what is the green bar on your unRAID tool bar? Great video!
I dropped a brand new switch once. I couldn't sleep right that night.
I dropped a customers server one time. No visible damage... Sent a quick prayer to the tech gods the hard drives weren't damaged before boxing it up and shipping it out.
Sidenote, you can use the 10gb connection on your workstation to get internet now, I would set that up, that way you don't need to setup different networks
on the cisco side paste this config it will lag ports 1- 8.hope this helps.
config t
int po1
swi mode trunk
no shut
int ran gig 1/1 -8
swi mode trunk
channel group 1 mode act
no shut
do wr
end
Me: Oh, what switch did Jason use? *Clicks link* My wallet: Ha! You can’t even afford to LOOK at those...
What happened to "four or five hundred bucks?"
@@darylnd He said eBay.
Look up the MikroTik stuff...
I just picked up a 24 port procure 10Gb SFP+ switch with a load of DACs for £250, hunt around
what is the name of this software (8:24)?
use lperf for the test, also you need to activate jumbo frames and up the send/receive buffers to their max in the nics and the switch. getting full 10G in a mixed enviroment (linux, win etc) needs abit of configuration. the switch will get louder if you have a lot of active 10G connections, now with only 2-3, the SoCs are not being pushed enough to get warm. i don't believe the cd is viruses, it just has the user manuals. once you get it all working properly, it's a nice upgrade overall.
Finally someone that mentioned Jumbo Frames. Please please please login to that switch and also your server and ENABLE.JUMBO FRAMES!!!!
Fibers not complicated. Like everything else there’s an application for every cable. You should try the 10 gig fiber Loki just as a test if nothing else.
LOL at the Christmas tree
This video got me to check my 10Gb (OM3 fiber) connections between my UnRAID server and 2 of my PC's with iperf. The W7 PC was at 9.3Gbps while the W10 PC was at 8.4Gbps average.
I'll try that docker you are using tonight and see what they report.
Minimum length Ethernet cable is 1 meter. You can not connect two devices with a cable shorter than that. It causes issues.
You are looking for link aggregation (Cisco calls it Etherchannel/Portchannel) and you want to do load balance with it. Quite easy to configure it on the Cisco side, I have no clue about Netgear
BTW.. Cudo's on the cable hangers in the back.. Very creative.
8:26 what is the dashboard ? How you do that ?
what soft is that thing? where just newbies :(
Been a while.
Create a vlan and pass through and bridged connections.
Are you not better off having the main feed from the 10g to the slower Lan?
You would only need three /four ports to max the backplane of the 1g.
But look up port bridges. Then it's just down to the hardware.
Also patch cables less than 3' length do not have enough twists to prevent crosstalk!
Jason - SFP is your friend!
I'm running a MikroTik CRS309 8 port 10G switch - very cheap and the switch fabric can handle up to 162Gb - £200.
Jason.... Don't be afraid of SFP+ and Fiber. I use OM3 between my office MikroTik switch, connected to a TP-Link with SFP. There are 4 OM3 lines from my office to my basement, where I have a 24 port TP-Link...with SFP and my 2 servers in a rack. I'm not 100% 10 gig yet, but my connection is 10 gig from my PC to my servers, through the MikroTik. Fiber is easy, relatively cheap, and as long as you don't bend it smaller than 17mm, you're good to go! I'm getting 7-8 gig transfer rates into my raid 0 Plex server. But hey, wire as you wish! Happy Holidays!
Minuto 08:24, que programa es? como se llama????? gracias!!!
Even if you never buy this switch. You should always open boxes with a spatula!
any link from ebay? i can’t find $600 one...
Nor will you for some time now that this video is out.
If you are trying to use multiple links to connect the switches, create a portchannel and use LACP for load balancing. I would imagine the netgear supports LACP.
Love their limited lifetime warranty we've bought only 2 switches and have had countless replacements because of lightning and they just send a new one and take the old one no fees nothing..
Me too. Very impressed with their support.
*unlimited?
Countless? Geez…Maybe you should think about lightning arresters.
please i want to lean how to configure switches perfectly please am in need.
google.com
i dont have a lot of experience with netgear switches but i am pretty sure at least on the cisco side you could mabye force 2 ports to use the same ip address so when it wants to communicate it uses both ports at the same time so you basically virtually combine the 2 ports
im not too sure about my own claims to be honest i'm still in school to be a network manager and im in my first year. I do get lessons in specifically cisco devices so i might be able to ask my teacher about this he has 30+ years expertise in cisco devices
@@computergamernl LACP
nice switch! i'd look at the vlan stuff to seperate out each type of network, eg on my gig 8 port netgear sw i have port 1 as input/output, ports 2/3 for data (with access to port 1); ports 4/5 for gaming/consoles etc (with access to port 1); ports 6/7/8 for servers (access to port 1)
ports 4/5 have no access to 6/7/8
this works for me and my pre this switch network was insainely slow, with this i have near full gigabit speed network connections even with consoles and macs/pcs on simultaniously! so do it right and your cookin!
have a great xmas/new year! be safe! be very full of xmas food and drink... enjoy! 🥂🍾🎄👍🏻
Glad you remember the fun & enjoyment of the holidays. I love Technology, but I also love quiet time and simple life.
I know this is an old video, but I just scored an Aruba S2500 Layer 3 managed switch. It has 4 10BGE SFP+ ports and 48 1GBE POE ports. My home lab is about to get a blue iris server and serious speed upgrade.
You are a savage and I love it. (Opens box with spatula)
Jason, look up DAC cables (Direct attach copper) copper over sfp+
Just remember to take distance into consideration. Most 10Gb-baseT switches can do 10Gb over 30M of Cat6a. 10Gb DAC cables only come in a max length of 10M. You can, however, change over to running an armored fiber optic cable with an LR SFP if you happen to need to connect to something, like, 500M away.
Smart switch and a Managed switch is the same thing right?
yes
Generally a managed switch has an console port for management. Smart switches are only managed via web.
Not sure if this switch supports CLI, but either way you should reset the switch to factory default, then login to the web UI / check firmware/ change password, etc.
you might wanna look into the new ubiquiti unifi gear to consolidate everything under one control panel and if you do, get the new unifi dream machine pro (router, IPS/IDS, network camera/NVR control, network controller, 8 gigabit switch and 10g sfp+ all built in), add the UniFi Switch 6 XG PoE for 4x10g RJ45 and connect it to the router via SFP+, then connect the second SFP+ to a USW-Pro-24-POE Gen2 so you have a 10g connection between the router and the switches. Connect some POE cameras (UVC-G3-FLEX or UVC-G3-BULLET), UAP-AC-LITE/UAP-AC-PRO for your CCTV and wireless access points. Connect your 10g server and even with 10 gigabit connections to that, you still wont be bottlenecked by the router. It's what I eventually plan to deploy at my dad's car repair shop so he has full remote surveillance, a big storage for all of his archived receipts/work orders/etc, plex (so he can stop paying for cable tv), AND I can manage the network via site-to-site vpn so I can troubleshoot any issues without the need to drive over.
Depending on the distance you need to cover, a Cisco n5k and some twinax DAC cables are about the most cost effective method around these days for going 10Gb capable. Plus you can hook up a fex with fiber optic in the opposite corner of your house if you're a mad lad and want all the network connectivity. That does get more expensive, though, because fiber. Can highly recommend picking up an inexpensive N5K and some used twinax off eBay. The cables come in up to 10M lengths before you have to transition back to fiber with optical SFP. If you're into converged networking, you could even pick up a UP series N5K which has 8Gb FC SAN switching functionality.
I just completed a similar project of mine, but with opposite goals - to get rid of RJ45. Mainly because of lightning destroying a set of devices previously. Fibers are not so problematic and they have more potential than copper. Initially I went for the Cisco SG300/SG500 mixed 1/10G optics, but soon pushed for HPE 10/40G 5900/5920/5930 series. As single more fiber can span more than 100 meters then all that goodness is housed in separate building. Basically over course of one year I swapped the equipment from set of multiple "home" switches into a consolidated datacenter modular TOR switch, what is supposed to be able to work even with the 100G, but that 100G price is prohibitive for just having it. What comes to network utilization then 10G should be a normal way to go, because random SSD etc will push out multi Gbps already. I'll put servers together with 40G, but over 10G at home is currently likely just a novelty.
I used to be concerned about fiber and using it until I was exposed to it in the wild. The only real difference is making sure you're using the correct SFP+ transceiver for the type of fiber and switch you're connecting to. A simpler option as others have mentioned is using DAC cables which make a lot more sense money wise for shorter cable runs than fiber.
Look into doing a LACP port channel between switches. You can bond up to 8 active connections and effectively up your bandwidth back to your Cisco switch. Now, it doesn't actually work like that though. If you pull a speed test across those connections you're still only going to see 1gig as a single thread of traffic will still only run over one connection. Where this starts to benefit you is when there are multiple devices sending and receiving at the same time each will use a different connection giving them overall more bandwidth.
Also look into enabling jumbo frames on your Netgear switch and your 10gig devices. This will most likely increase your speeds.
Good point. There is also a redundancy benefit, where if one of the links dies the traffic will still flow. It's much better to get an alert than have a chunk of the network go dark.
@@etherboy3540 Yeah redundancy is probably the strongest benefit.
Jason I am looking to purchase that NETGEAR XS728T I can't seem to find it on ebay can't you forward the link to the ebay seller u purchase yours from
I'm in awe that you have Pfsense in that rack and didn't configure that switch. You would benefit from having dual 10GBE connections from your UnRAID to the Negear 10GBe switch. You should be able to setup bonding/lacp on UnRAID (I think space invader one did something on this?). Then, you could also set up bonding/LACP between multiple 1 GBe uplinks to the 10 GBe switch.
Yeah, might have been a little cheaper until he had a use for all those ports. Yes, I want 24 ports at 10gbs, but I try to wait until I really have a purpose for that. I just lay down $600-ish for something like that, even if I can afford it.
Or 1800 in this case (insert £/$) eBay nice thought
Anything you are plugging into your new 10g switch you NEED to replace any of your CAT5 cables with CAT6a or better cables to sustain 10g speeds without speed degradation or other odd issues.
Yes you can aggregate copper ports together to create a faster link between switches BUT this is switch specific technology and not all switches can do this, your new switch may or may not do this.
Why multiple physical hardware? Zenserver.. ESXI ..proxmox ..
I would suggest you use a DAC/TWINAX cable to connect the two switches via their SFP+/SFP ports. The cables are cheap, pre-made and have the proper sfp connectors pre-attached.. This will free some copper ports.
You should also look into using iperf3 as how you test your network throughput. It can saturate a 10Gb link.
Nice Xmas 🌲!
I know it's kind of late now but don't be scared of fiber. I pulled a Jason while running it and crushed the fiber using a very unstable step stool and it still gets at least half-speed using om2 (yes I screwed up and bought the wrong stuff). Thankfully I didn't get hurt.
you need to lag around 2to4 cables between the 2 switches to all multiple 1gb clients to access your server without a bottleneck
Looks like what he needs more than a Switch is a pocketknife rather than using a spatula to open boxes
How is that r210 not screaming it's brains of? I have one that sounds like a jet plane
If it is really loud there is a misconfiguration somewhere. I have an r210 and it is pretty quiet. So check that the bios is updated. And that any pci nic driver is updated and configured with specs that the server supports. For instance disable sriov as it is not supported and some nics have an issue with VMQ (if you are virtuallizing). Mine used to get really loud when I was setting it up because it was not yet configured properly and use to have a quad Broadcom pci nic that the os and hyper v just did not play well with.
Use iperf to test as it avoids disk limitations which it seems like you’re hitting seeing as its topping out at around 400MB/s. on top of that if both switches are smart layer 3 switches they should be capable of lacp trunks which will aggregate your link speed between the two switches. Maybe sacrifice the SFP ports so you don’t lose your RJ45 ports
Is he on a windows server by chance?
As others have said, iPerf would have been a better way to test. Heck transferring a file would have, at least at the begin as it goes through cache might have been better. Transferring from and to a RAM drive would have been better.
If you wanna get 10GbE Uplink to the PoE Cisco switch, get a Cisco 3750X-48P and a C3KX-SM-10G service module
Given that I have sever space and resource constrains I elected to go wit the CRS-305 4 port 10G switch from Microtik and connect my NAS units using DAC cable with an uplink to the rest of my network,. The switch was $99 the DAC cables were 2- x 4 and now My NAS units can mirror copy to themselves at 10Gb and my limited power is safe and my switch takes up a space the size of a pack of cigarettes.
1:59 The way he's holding that knife hurts me inside
You can get 10gig rj45 copper SFPs and check out mikrotik switches.
They do make copper SFPs ;)
i thought you was making a vid on sponge and boxes :P
You should use iPerf3 to check the speed between your server and desktop. It runs in memory so even with DDR3 you should be able to test up to around 10gbps.
If you aren't getting near that then you may need to make sure jumbo frames is enabled on the Netgear switch and check your devices have it enabled and configured.
You could also create a LAG / Port-Channel with multiple interfaces between your Cisco & Netgear switch to increase total bandwidth between them. Say 4 x Ports = 4 x 1Gbps paths. It doesn't mean you can do 4Gbps on a single TCP transfer, but you get more communication over more paths for multi host traffic.
Its typically recommended to use the SFP ports between switches for the uplink as it reduces latency compared to the copper cables. Generally on these type of switches the last 4 ports will be shared with the SFP ports so you'd generally either use the SFP's or the last 4 ports (Port 20 - 24) for uplinks.
If your room where your main computer is not far away its better to just run dedicated cables for each item than having to buy another switch
I found it on eBay in Europe for $350 exact same model
I heard about your channel from a 23 yr old I.T. woman who had great things to say about your channel.
Nice switch. Here in Canada Its going for $CDN2370! Certainly not $400 - $500. Even on eBay its going for $CDN855.
The switch is unboxed at 3:19 . Just in case you want the skip him painfully unboxing it.
Has anyone seen the BBQ Spatula? "I think Jason needed to open a box" Wait, what?!?!?!