Thank you, Dr. Brown! You have no idea how much this lecture helped me to understand Islam better, actually, I'm sure you do😂 Such a complex topic including religion, philosophy, history, and movies haha (I've seen them all too), yet in such a short time so well taught and delivered. This lecture is a gift. May God protect you and your family and reward you in Dunya and hereafter
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
I feel so ignorant.. whenever I get asked about slavery in Islam I always sounded like an apologetic, but this is a very eye-opening take on the matter, May Allah bless you, heading now to audible to buy the book.
@@hiddentruth1424 the issue is that your idea of "slave" doesn't apply here. You are assuming that all slaves throughout history had the same experience of slavery, which is not the case.
@@MohammedBourasEng I dont care about history definitions of slavery. I see prophet as an example. Did he not used to have intercourse with slave girls? Answer that and why not he brought this in to discussion?? He cant otherwise no one will buy his justifications.
@@hiddentruth1424 yes the prophet had one slave woman she was given to him a present, our mother Mariah ( May Allah be pleased with her) and he married her, and she had rights as a slave woman, what numerous "free" people nowadays don't. In this lecture prof, Jonathan was talking about the principle ideas, which if you understand you can easily draw conclusions for particular cases like the prophet's one, and in his book "slavery in Islam" he detailed on the matter. the idea of basing your morality on your feelings is the core issue that you have to revise.
In order to understand to video u must watch till the end, I will try to sum up the video, or at least what I understood of it : 1) it’s unjust to have one broad definition of slavery, there’s no way to compare the slavery that happened in the west, specially in America with the slavery that happened in Muslim world back then. While in the Muslim world, we see scholars , sultans who would be considered to be slaves, and in fact one of the must power men and women in the Muslim history were slaves, ex Sultan Kusem, sultan Hurrum, Ahmed Pash.... ( the list is so long) 2) Islam didn’t demande for a full abolition of slavery, but it ask to dry it sources, the only way someone could be a slave is through war ( and which was a necessity at the era) but beside that all the laws in Islam insist that no one is better that other, no colour is superior over an other. Finally, Islam understood that change requires time, just like Alcool weren’t forbidden from the first glance, Islam set rules to demolish slavery with time
Im watching now gonna see how good your description is but i have a feeling its gonna be spot on because in your short comment you seem to be spot on to my understanding. To condense a lecture of this length is obviously very difficult but i think im gonna be impressed, and thats a skill
@@hyamick7584 so my understanding is that Islam allows Muslims to take "slaves" from those that are prisoners of war instead of killing them. So Muslims are not allowed to torture or kill, but can make those prisoners work for them. I put the word slaves in quotations because a Muslim has to give the "slave" the same quality of food and clothing that the owner enjoys and a shelter. So if the Quran does not explicitly say that something is forbidden (haram), then we can't make it haram. Therefore if war isn't something that has ended, then how could the potential for slavery? That being said, even the details of the war have to met in order for "slaves" to be taken. Im not entirely sure what the prerequisites are but I've heard there has to be a caliph. What im trying to figure out is if Jonathans lecture is based in fact or more of a reactionary interpretation to the moral standards of our time. Hope that helps.
How difficult is to define freedom?? It is not relative concept and one can define it across time and space. "Major routes of slavery were prohibited in Islam and its not in Quran and Hadith and its just understood" at least be honest about what you saying. "Islam did not abolish slavery because no man did it."
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
but it still doesn't mesh. If the argument is that a lot of these concepts are impossible to define over all of history and time, then that is like he is saying that the Quran cannot be used as a guide for modern life.
If we follow the speakers reasoning the people can start to argue "well marriage is a very broad concept and doesn't mean the same thing today as it did at the time of the prophet", or "modesty has very different concepts through different places and eras"
@@MentalHealthTreatment Your analogies don't mesh. Sharia's definitions of slavery, marriage and modesty are *prescriptive,* revealed and developed for us to follow. What Dr. Brown is saying about the definition of slavery is *descriptive,* he says there can't be one broad definition to describe slavery, since there have been so many forms of slavery throughout history.
Personally since I’m born in a Muslim fam it never really bothered me cause i learned it the right way .I think the main problem and why people use those verses as “argument against/exposing Islam”is because of the negative conotation of the word slavery in the verse the only thing in common is the name “slavery”but the Islamic meaning is totaly diffrent
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
A brilliant treatment of this (quite frankly for me) perplexing issue. I've always wondered, considering the obligation on Muslims to treat all men justly and mercifully, why slavery was not straight away prohibited by Islam. This lecture is very enlightening. Thanks.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
13:30 I’m not entirely sure this is accurate. Didn’t the Achaemenid Persians, when led by Cyrus the Great, formally ban most slavery of non-PoW’s within the empire?
Wat if the woman captured as prisoner of war malakat aymanakum the right hand possessed doesn't like the Muslim man ?? Wat are Her Rights in Islam ?? This is really Bothering Question in My Mind for a Long Time .
I feel like this is more of an American problem. For the rest of the world, especially here in Africa, we have a real understanding of slavery. What Americans had was not slavery, that was something else. In Africa we are obligated to enforce manual labour, because there are not enough jobs to automate some form of work that could be done by multiple people at a very cheap rate. People are paid a little, they have to move away from home and often, they are forced to live with their employer because it's not worth travelling back home. It's sounds a lot like some form of slavery, but the difference is, people are respected and they are not mistreated because of their race.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
How is this more of an American problem, why bring America into it. Can you elaborate on your statement "here in Africa, we have a real understanding of slavery. " As an African, i would like to know your understanding of slavery? I am assuming all you know about slavery are taught to you in history classes or perhaps you lookup the slavery in dictionaries.what does manual enforcement of labour have to do with islamic slavery. To remind you manual labour is still enforce in many parts of the world today."what Americans, had was not slavery that was something else." I can see that you are now trying to rewrite history. 😂 America got its wealth from slavery, they killed thousands of slaves, yet you are saying what Americans, had was not slavery. If you wish to justify the slavery done by religion you are free to do so, but don't bring Africa in to it. Thousands of Africans got sold as slaves, millions of Africans got killed, and you here you are saying Africans, have a real understanding of slaverythat is different from the American one. I mean which part of Africa are you from? Am ashamed. Stop being a coward and stand for the millions of Africans who got sold as slaves. Never again.
I love this. This is “yes we had slavery but it was the good type!!” Southern Americans also used to say that 1- their slaves didn’t have it they had 2- that their was “wage slavery” in the north. A slave is a slave
I listened to Dr.Brown's lecture and while I appreciate his intention to explain abhorrent practices in history as cultural constructs, I cannot help interpreting his arguments as moral relativism. There is no dispute that slavery has existed in all ancient cultures with a range of explanations ( no prisons so prisoners were used as slaves in a multitude of ways). However I think there is a universal value that transcends historical facts; and that is the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative. One argument can be made that history ( and yes , this includes Islamic history) was never written from the perspective of the oppressed and enslaved thereby neglecting the accounts of persecuted . I am not debating that Islam as an organized religious movement changed the harsh treatment of those oppressed. It is well documented ( i.e.: Bilal) Dr.Brown's perspective never elaborates on the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative only as a cultural construct we should understand. One has to question who the teller of history is and what constitutes morality more importantly. Perhaps Dr. Brown's lecture would be understood better by me if I understood from which school of Islamic theology his thoughts derive. But that is an entirely different discussion and one far too detailed to write about here. Thank you for letting me comment on such a thought provoking subject.
Ok that's fine, we accept slavery as a moral wrong. Now can we all agree that having kids out of wedlock is a universal moral wrong. Bringing children into the world without one or even both parents is criminal. Today we call this "freedom of choice to do what I want" and it's culturally accepted, but the social impacts of unwated kids getting dumped on the streets is really, really bad. One could say, universally and morally wrong.
Good day. I am not exactly sure in what context ( in regard to Dr. Brown's lecture) you make this argument but if it is from a purely sociological perspective, one could try to understand the following. 1. A modern prison system that disproportionately incarcerates one population ( and since the original subject is slavery in Islam, I will elaborate on the race issue), that population is comprised mostly of an afro american, afro pan american. population and I am making reference to black males although the incarceration rate for black females is also high. I think a current statistic overall is 1 in 5 incarcerated is black currently in the U.S. One has to interpret a population already economically disadvantaged in terms of wealth disparities and education opportunities to be further exacerbated by this ridiculously high incarceration rate, thereby distorting any community life much less family structures of nuclear family standards of 2 parents living with children. I would add ( no statistcs here) that extended family relationships might even be stronger in such a population where families may depend on aunts and grandparents to be participating in the raising of children, compared with white families . 2. The legacy of slavery in the Americas has been so brutal we can understand how the fallout of the horrors of separating families by slave owners on plantations and the migration north post reconstruction had to play a huge role in family structures moving forward from that horrific legacy. I am not a scholar but I am sure there is data on this. Of course I could continue making many more arguments regarding your dismissal that black families do not subscribe to what you find an acceptable family structure in which to raise children but time and space limit my ability to make that argument here. I will however note that the divorce rate in the US is somewhere around 47% and white families are no great examples of so called " intact family structures " that u imply are needed to raise " healthy" children.
@@lynnrosadudani529 It's to show how some readily accepted cultural norms today are really morally disgusting, but since it's widely accepted no one feels bad about it. My point wasn't about black families, but American culture as a whole. All the points you make are valid and real consequences of the fallout of banning slavery in name, but not attacking the root racism that enabled the brutality of the slavery. I do not think any Muslim, with a holistic understanding of Islam, would advocate for slavery today, and good riddance to it. The systematic oppression of the African American community in the USA is something that is truly unjust, and Muslims stand in solidarity with them. The legacy of Malcolm X, who did not believe that white people and black people could ever live in harmony together, changed completely when he went to Mecca and found people of all races, all ethnicity, all backgrounds coming together to worship a common lord. Eradicating racism is possible, but it must be a generational change and a focus on anti-racism.
@@agnostimous2859 Allah allows things that are "morally wrong". If bad was censored, then the Islamic concept of free will is meaningless. Since we believe Allah is infinity just, and seeing that there is little to no justice on earth, there must be an afterlife where everyone and everything that happened will be reviewed. In short, do whatever you want in this life. You will stand in-front of God if you wronged someone.
The speech/lecture could have been more organised. He touches on many points and pieces of information. Informative but could have been more coherent. Thank you for uploading though.
I bought the book few months ago but have not started it, the video is helpful. Jazakallah khair to both the scholars. May Allah protect and preserve you both.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
@@evaa1969 what were the names of Prophet Mohammed's many slaves? Is this coming from those pastors who teach contrary to the teachings of Jesus? You sound like an educated person why don't you yourself study the biography of the prophet, Martin Ling's is the best. By the way Bible clearly talks about enslaving young girls, when talking about Amalakites. It ordered the killing of women, infants, cattles and orders the attackers to keep the unmarried girls for themselves. I think you have also not read all of the bible to see these verses and many other verses.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Somebody please answer me, why marriage (nikkah) was not needed to have intercourse with a female slave? Isn't pre marital sex haram? I'm a muslim and i love my religion but certain truths i did found out recently, and this make me doubt my religion and the holy book. I've been researching for the past 1 month on this topic but couldn't find a satisfying answer. Somebody please help me out.
@@asoorahammed4836 you can see how refugees are treated in the world . Many People think refugees are burden . If you learn history inshallah you will understand slavery in Islam , actually exit to help innocent people . Remember a slaves or Amma(sex slave) child is not a slave . Watch umer sulaimon vedio about it . My English is not good . I know Bangla
Read "Sexual ethics and Islam" Book by Kecia Ali. In short sex becomes licit when a man pays the Price which can be in the form of price of a concubine or in the case of wife her mahar.
@@asoorahammed4836 Read "Sexual ethics and Islam" Book by Kecia Ali. In short sex becomes licit when a man pays the Price which can be in the form of price of a concubine or in the case of wife her mahar.
Nobody can help you sister. This stuff is messed up. I have been struggling with this for 3 years. There is no satisfactory answer. They just say that slavery was normal in those days. That's the only answer they have.
Stop talking about the definition of the word and what it has meant over time - instead describe a system of work and wages and ask if it is morally acceptable, and if there were means to break a contract which was deemed unfair. Humans have developed better methods to negotiate better and fairer methods of work and wages. Slavery as defined in scripture is unfair and it cannot be changed because it is dogma. Especially an "all knowing god" (as defined by these scriptures) should have known better.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
He did but gradually focused on emancipation (freeing of slaves) and blocked routes for the population of slaves growing. The lecture talks about this.
@@walidoutaleb7121 in a verse it said a man can have sex with his slave.that made me angry but when i learned more about it it opened my eyes. Allah allowed it because for the peoples during that time it isnt even a sin it was a normal thing to them. But since right know we cant accept slavery we can fight against it (i really hate isis sex slavery ). Thats how i realized certain things get changed by time. (I also deleted my old comment cause there is errors in it)
Slavery is legal in Islam, and it is not Haram (forbidden) or even Makhruh (despised), but Halal (permissible). Slaves can be captured through war, which is fair, because they are the enemy. This is better than what the US does (see Abu Ghraib, Baghram, etc.) However, they cannot be civilians, ie only POWs. Although Muslim apologists try to explain it away by saying it was supposedly supposed to be gradually done away with, there is little evidence to suggest this, other than a general encouragement of freeing slaves. Slaves must be given free food, healthcare, clothing, and shelter, equivalent to what their owner gets for themselves. Slaves cannot be overworked, beaten, mistreated, etc. They cannot be prevented from other normal activities like marriage. Essentially, the labor shifts from government welfare subsidization to private ownership and subject to market rates. This is as so to prevent the tax money being spent on POWs, akin to how the world's governments are wasting money on useless people. Muslim empires of the past followed the rules to some degree depending on leadership, but like most nations, they sought wealth over the law, and thus the Arab Slave Trade and such resulted in many innocent people having become slaves, with lower levels of rights. The Rashidun Caliphate, however, was the earliest and adhered most closely to the original teachings.
Tunisia (islamic country) was the first to officially abolish slavery, after Ahmed Bey, who was ruling Tunisia at the time, ordered the final abolition of slavery, in 1846. The abolition of slavery was not suddenly approved on January 23, 1846, as it was preceded by several decisions, including the issuance of an order Concerning the prohibition of trafficking in "slave" and their sale in the markets in September 1841.
@@NRFP Much more important than the abolition of slavery is achieving justice and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top the Kabba the most secret place for Arabia. Muslims basically believe that Humans are the holiest being on the earth and a black slave represented the human race in the most important event in Islamic history. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of his servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in the Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we are still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in the world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is a core concept of being a Muslim and that is what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is achieving justice and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top the Kabba the most secret place for Arabia. Muslims basically believe that Humans are the holiest being on the earth and a black slave represented the human race in the most important event in Islamic history. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of his servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in the Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we are still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in the world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is a core concept of being a Muslim and that is what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
I waited a long time for the conference to start. It barely starts at 49 minutes... nope. The title being Slavery in islam, i expected something else then snot drinking is bad but for some it is not, everybody had slaves, women covering their heads, morality is subjective etc. It really starts at 53'35. "I won't say Islam is da best for slaves"... but Islam is da best for slaves, ever ! He forgot to mention slavery lasted 13-14 centuries without any sign of stopping. New slave routes were created, millions of Africans murdered, enslaved, mutilated, raped... But at least they had "protection". He is defending his faith, not history.
Good lecture but indeed there are many things to add like: 1. War prisoners were freed in exchange for educating children. 2. Story of Billal R.A his standing in muslim society. 3. Master will bound to give same food & clothes what themselves use.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Here's a good way to look at it; how would you like it if non Muslims gained and handled slaves in the exact same was as is outlined here? How would you like if if a family member of yours was enslaved in the same manner. Whether it was or was not unheard of for people to be against slavery altogether, people have, for many centuries had the wherewithal to be against their in group, the demographic they value the most being enslaved. In the case of Islam, enslaving non Muslims was forbidden, in the Catholic Church in the middle ages it was forbidden for Christians to be enslaved under pain of excommunication. In later years the west was against the enslavement of white people. All these people had to do was look at slavery through the lens of the golden rule and they would have been against slavery. In the Old Testament, there is also considerable apprehension to making Hebrews slaves. Foreigners could easily be bought as slaves, but Israelites could only be subjected to debt slavery for a fixed period. Jonathan Brown could not even bring himself to say Muslims contributing to the transatlantic slave trade was wrong in the case of non Muslims being trafficked. Its nice that some of the audience questions were sharp witted and I doubt they were very satisfied with his answers.
But Muslims didn't contribute to the Atlantic slave trade. Many of those slaves were Muslims! So it did happen to the Muslims. Let's not forget Africans had war captives as well that they captured from going to war with other tribes. They sold many of those war captives to those Europeans. Of course we know that Africans weren't treating their war captives like the Europeans were treating the Africans they enslaved. But even Africans had war captives. So as he said in this video Africans were wrong as well. We also know that when the Africans found out what the Europeans were doing with the war captives they sold to them they refused to sell them anymore war captives and then Europeans left came back with the Spaniards and enslaved Africans and colonized Africa. So I understand what he said you can't pick choose because the Africans sold the war captives they had to the Europeans.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Very nice and informative talk. However he shouldn't have been apologizing for watching movies.everyone knows that every Muslim almost seems everywhere watch movies constantly. It's nothing to apologize for.
You go a long way to make it common and acceptable what Islamic slavery what's specially done and allowed by the Prophet Muhammad. Just accept it and deal with it, that initiational religion, another form of slavery. Think bravely and become free, from your subconscious programming.
Good lecture. See Verse 4 in Surah 47 (Muhammad) of the Quran. I heard a Muslim scholar state that this particular verse marked the end of a significant source of slavery.
Children of masters being free and having the 'same status' as other children of the household is in the Bible as well, the example that comes to mind is Ishmael the son of Abraham and Hagar the Egyptian slave.
Agreed but freeing a male born from slavery is practiced all over in Islamic history to the point that most of Muslims rulers in Islamic history was children of slaves and this phenomena is only unique to Islamic history in the human history.
@@SeriouslySerene Neither 2:117 nor 90:13 "command" the freedom of slaves. Look at the full context for both, it only recommends and encourages manumission.
I wish he spoke slower when he spoke in Arabic as I am still relatively new to the language and I am trying to understand what he says. What was the verse that he mentions at the very beginning regarding the parable?
Bilal ibn Rabah's story is not relevant as he was never captured in battle as a war slave but already a slave from Jahiliya times who converted to Islam. Bilal's conversion when Islam was in its infancy and Muhammad did not have to play politics to keep new converts happy played a significant role in his manumission.
I knew about the differences in slavery but the way it was presented by Dr Brown is a masterpiece. I still couldn't share this video with my black friends even the examples of slavery in the islamic world had radically opposite fates to those in the West (the famous Sinan was a slave. It doesn't make much sense in the the way slave is understood now.)
It’s as if he’s been trained to brainwash is that slavery is ok or Islam allowed it or Islam didn’t do enough to get rid of slaves etc etc .... can’t make my mind up if this is a con or not.
Which one do you want to be a waged labourer or someone who is making successful gains (and spending it, not hoarding it)? ضَرَبَ ٱللَّهُ مَثَلًا عَبْدًا مَّمْلُوكًا لَّا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَىْءٍۢ وَمَن رَّزَقْنَٰهُ مِنَّا رِزْقًا حَسَنًا فَهُوَ يُنفِقُ مِنْهُ سِرًّا وَجَهْرًا ۖ هَلْ يَسْتَوُۥنَ ۚ ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
Hypothetically, imagine if Muhammad had abolished slavery. And the Christians practised forms of slavery described by him at the end of his talk--where importance of freeing is emphasised, children born of slave mothers are free, treating your slaves humanely, slaves obtaining high offices (e.g grand viziers) etc. Would you think in that situation he would have accepted arguments in defence of it? The only reason he doesn't see anything wrong with Islamic Slavery is because it was practised by Muhammad and not outlawed in the Koran.
Absolutely. And when he said "why Islam didn't prohibited slavery? Why not because nonody before modern time did" just emphasized the fact that religion is from humans. Not from a supposed God in the sky.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Freedom isn't a relative concept. There is only one possibilty. You can have a view from historical context. Mr. Brown forgets to speak about the concept of castration and trade. He tries to built a security wall for Islam. The Muslim caliphates practised catching or buying people over 1000 years. Mecca was a big trading center. Millions of black people were castrated for trading in the muslim caliphates. Why? In the other countries and cultures slaves were part of a mixing process. Not so in the caliphates. Eunuches were part of the system having more than one wife. What would it means if a muslim had to live as Eunuch. This is the existential part of freedom for people. Castration stops this catagory of freedom which is for a extreme patriarchats is basically. The question isn't which culture or religion is better or bad. Do all the muslims of the world know what was part of their history. The Western people get information of both aspects of their culture. Good and bad. The christianity hasn't make us to better humans but many of us getting the motivation for a critical and selfcritical view of enlightment. This makes the differences and conflicts today. Western people and Christians arn't victoms. We win and loose, are good and bad. This is another form of freedom. A freedom with a order for us: All people shoud have the same rights because they are humans. It isn't a religion which makes humans better. We can have a critical view on prophets, popes, sentences in books and scripts. I have the choice to be a Christ or Muslim or nothing. My idea is to live with freedom of speech. Humans as individual have my respect, not religious idees or texts and books . But I never would kill a book because I would kill an idea of thinking. But can have a critical view.
One can be a slave to his desires,to sex, to money ,to alcohol,drugs and other forms of modern slavery to which in a way or another one can not get rid of .This is my personal opinion.
There is one page (not a book) that did more for prohibiting slavery than all religious books combined. It starts like this: "All humans are created equal"… So basically, humans as failable as they can be, nowadays, have much higher humanist standards than any religious book. Islam is the worse because it legalized slavery and set up very specific rules on how to buy/sell/treat slaves. That surely cannot come from an all knowing, all merciful, all perfect creator of the universe. Just for this one issue, it’s clearly impossible that Islam could have any godly attribute. Sorry…
@Dee Zyl So when the prophet and the sa7aba used to make women prisoner of wars as their slaves, they were not taught the right islam? And we know better than them? Is the prophet and sa7aba the minority you're talking about?
Dee Zyl sorry didn’t see the answer about the prophet and sa7aba practicing slavery. Would you be kind enough to repeat it. The question was: were the prophet and Sahaba unaware that their version of Islam they were practicing was not as good as the version Muslims are practicing today when it comes to slavery?
Dee Zyl alcohol was also deeply rooted in the society, so was lending, so was adultery, etc... why did the god of Islam easily prohibited everything else, except slavery? You mean he could order many rules to humans except this one? Why? Is there anything worse than owning another human being? Number 2, there are no steps to prohibit slavery in Islam. Having steps means that there is an end result. Islam never ended slavery. The book was finished with slavery staying legal. Unless you think there is another version of Islam coming again, slavery is settled in Islam, it is legal and it has very specific laws as to how to buy/sell another human being, under which conditions you will punish this human being, how to fornicate with that other human being even without consent and so on... there is nothing mentioning a prohibition at any point in the past or in the future... As a matter of fact, slavery markets were thriving in Saudi Arabia until the fifties... and they were removed only because of the United Nations pressure. That alone tells you all you need to know about Islam and Slavery.
my point of view is that slavery exists today as contracts signed with "employers" on a much more mediatised scale than the prophet muhamed's pbuh era !
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Why does the Quran explicitly not forbid slavery outright, just like eating pork? Was it because it was so familiar and would have been impossible to consider given the Orf (standard practice) at that time. Yet our Islamic Fiqh has volumes of Fiqh opinions on slavery on how to buy and sell them, and even today, our fiqh books allow an enslaved woman to pray with only covering the navel to knee. Thank you for your attempt to make sense of this challenging subject, but honestly, why not outlaw it if Islam, as we claim it, came as a revolution to take people from darkness into light.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Abolishing slavery (taking war prisners as slaves) is not possible until & unless all the states on the face of the earth unanimously & universally agree upon not to take war prisoners as slaves. Slavery is Multilateral, not unilateral.
Actually the slavery in Islam is not the slavery we think.The meaning of slavery in Islam is completely different, (At the time of prophet Muhammad)after a war the prisoners used to be distributed in men instead of being killed they had the right to get their freedom by various ways.
I once read a book in English, it extrapolates that my great great great grandparents used to sit waiting outside the house of White people to ask them for a job. The job can be vary, gardening, driving around the madam or the lords, cleaning the house etc. And the book describes how the White people eventually fed up and hired one of my great great grandparents even they didn't need one. It was a form of consensual slavery in modern definition. Because they tended to stay in the house, paid with minimal wage. Even some of women become the Lords' concubines but she doesn't have legal right of the children. However my guess is working with White people in colonialism time gave them status they desired.
Islam does not propose abolition because it would put Muslims at a disadvantage. That is the real reason. Imagine others invade Muslims and take slaves but Muslims can't retaliate or exchange! Islam preaches justice, not turning other cheek. Muslims are allowed to retaliate with the same level of transgression 2:194
Islam is a universal religion, applicable to every place & time since the Prophet Muhammad SAW. Thus, in periods of time where slavery is necessary, but since it is a wide concept, Islam comes to limit it & restrict it, to one specific form that minimizes harm, and encourages the generous act of freeing slaves. In a time where slavery is abolished or not needed Islam does not recommend, because "Allah wants freedom."
What confuses me is that There should be no slavery at all. If Islamic is perfect and beautiful, then there should be no human owned by another human. Period. Why do we need all these lectures and interpretations. It could’ve been banned immediately just like others - pork, alcohol, sex, etc
Many societies are disgusted by sex among school kids rather than child marriage. with marriage you have one partner, parent consent and legal framework where parents share responsibility with their children and care for prospect offspring is guaranteed in the family. In islam to become a slave there are two ways: born to slave father or captured in war, but only where the other side also captures slaves, so they can be exchanged. Abolition would put muslims in disadvantage. On being born to a slave father.
سوسن شاه it counted as a part of the “treasure” you gained from winning the wars. but you still had to treat the slaves as you would treat any other person, with just guidelines.
mozuka5129 exactly back then it couldn’t have been abolished straight away like this because it was deeply rooted into the traditions and culturs back then and they would have not followed mohammed if he said Slavery is abolished which is why he gradually tried to abolish it step by step.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN ISLAMIC SCHOLAR Sayyid Qutb, a leading scholar of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood wrote in his tafsir that slavery was a way of handling prisoner of war and it was necessary for Islam to adopt a similar line of practice until the world devised a new code of practice during war other than enslavement.
The problem with Islam is that muslims are saying it’s coming from a perfect supreme being, creator of the universe. Any proposition that includes slavery as a mere possibility in the human construct that respects basic human rights, dignity and decency cannot be the reflection of a divine god. A divine being would have said very easily and without leaving any doubt: You shall not buy/sell humans and slavery is strictly forbidden. Period. No buts, ifs, or may be’s…
You don't know what you are talking about. Your point might sound rhetorically valid but it is logically flawed, because 1) you don't know what is important to God or not (divine set of values, so to speak) ; 2) you don't possess all the information that God has access to. So stop trying to wrap your mind around this kind of problems, it's beyond human understanding. Or else don't pretend you believe in a hypothetical God just for the sake of your lazy reasoning.
@@easywriter3000 That's exactly the point the Church made for centuries to justify slavery. The problem with this is that you can't say that on one hand and say that this god is the most knowledgeable that changed humanity from evil to good. And if you can't make this point about God, then you just destroyed the idea of this all mighty god from the inside. Basically, you're saying this god allows Slavery for our own good, and he knows better, so slavery is good. Thank you very much , but I'll pass, this god will never be my god...
@@easywriter3000 For number 2, I'm not trying to wrap my mind around this "kind of problem". My mind is actually very clearly set: Slavery is evil, period. I don't care if your god thinks it's ok or not and sorry that you don't see that just because your god told you that it'sok to own slaves and that you shouldn't ask questions because he knows better... This is actually an easy one, a 5y old kid would figure this out and any logical and reasonable person who is not intent to believe whatever is presented to them as unquestionable truth as long as it's enshrined in sacred BS. Sorry to see you on the Evil side on this one. Perfect example of how Dogma takes away logic, humanism and dignity from an otherwise normal person to the point where they justify pure evil.
@@agnostimous2859 bruh, how the hell... ok first of all you claim to that "Dogma takes away logic, humanism and dignity" while not using logic yourself. How can you even dare to call yourself logical when your committing locial fallacies that you are arguing against... You are not seeing things more clearly by excluding all "ifs, buts and maybes". You're excluding IMPORTANT AND EXTREMELY RELEVANT historical context. You are losing your mind because you are not content with the fact the islam did not explicitly state slavery is bad. Islam limited the sources of slavery with the aim of abolishing it. At that time, slavery was practiced through different means; people were enslaved through kidnapping and abduction, wars, and debts. Islam abolished all of these means with the exclusion of the enslavement of war prisoners. In its characteristic manner of introducing rulings, Islam did not abruptly abolish slavery but banned it by degrees to maintain social stability. now, guess what, slavery still exists on TODAY for social stability? where you say? RIGHT IN THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. if you are so opposed to slavery why don't we focus on the supposed democracy that claims to have eliminated slavery but actually perpetuates the very system through its horrendous PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. its disgusting that a country can claim to be a democracy while explicitly stating in the constitution that slavery is ALLOWED if you have committed a crime. if slavery is inherently evil (which i agree it is), then this should not be allowed and all of the country and world should raging against this policy. Islam limited the sources of slavery with the aim of abolishing it; Islam prohibited enslaving anyone except those captured in battles when Muslims fought and defended themselves against tyrant enemies. This prohibition included the offspring of previously taken slaves. Islam allowed the enslavement of those who fought against Muslims in non-Muslim countries including women and children. However, it is only the Muslim ruler who was entitled to decide this according to what he sees as being in the best interest of Muslims. It was categorically forbidden to enslave anyone who did not fight Muslims. Enslaving a warrior is less evil than killing him. Islam prohibited the killing of female captives of war and substituted this with enslavement. In spite of this, Islam set certain ethics for the good treatment of slaves. It urged Muslims to treat them kindly and not harm them and prohibited any aggression against them. Out of its eagerness for freeing all people, Islam expanded the means for emancipating slaves by making the manumission of a slave an of sins. These include breaking the fast in the month of Ramadan, zihar (wherein a husband deems his wife as unlawful to him as his mother), involuntary manslaughter, breaking oaths and the like. At the outset, Islam urged its followers to emancipate slaves and then limited the sources of slavery to help in its abolishment. How can you ignore the historical context of this. I think that is vastly important. I use to be like you btw. I used to hate islam because of its "stance on slavery" that I saw around me. Then i educated myself. Also, for God's sake, they teach kids to look at every historical occurance through a social, cultural, economic, and political scope in mf AP WOrld History. And God knows how old you are you cant even do that. BTW, Muslims are slaves to Allah(swt). How could we possibly think we are in any position to own other human beings. Shariah law does not allow slavery. Slavery in Islam is a misleading phrase as it indicates that Islam perpetuated the system when in reality it barely tolerated and ultimately eliminated it.
Cutie Pie “Bruh”, are you saying God had a historical context that prevented him from prohibiting slavery for humans he created? I see you’re answering with a lot of emotions about things you haven’t read about. Islam has never banned slavery... slavery in Islam was practiced for centuries by sharia law up until the 50’s in some Muslim countries, including the prophets country, Saudi Arabia... as a matter of fact it was practiced by the prophet and his companion themselves... the other fallacy you make is that you are comparing gods morals to humans or the United States morals... that comparison in itself is a problem that works against Islam.. here is something else you can add to your knowledge: slaves were not necessarily war captives. As a matter of fact one of the most famous slaves (Mariya the Copt) was gifted to the prophet Muhammad) and he enslaved all her life, had sex with her and the god of Islam didn’t have any issue with that. Furthermore, even if a slave converts to Islam, he still remains a slave and can’t be freed just because he became a Muslim. See the problem in your logic?
@@naheedtufail2137 - Allah does guide me - there is a just god - all religions are social orders used by the powerful to manipulate and subjugate the masses - & p.s - Allah is far greater than the author of the Quran
@@cervezaway7049 bro just because of this matter you can't just denied other proof that are mixing with sience i believe that the prophet before he die said something sbout this but if you know what happen to his family when he die and who did that you will know that they didn't allow people to know it
Slaves in muslim communitis(with some exceptions) are always decreasing in number. While in americas in the 1700s are increasing in number. That because, islam formed gates out of slavery.while in Americas you born a slave you die a slave.
Assalamualiakum I have a question , so you are allowed to enslave captives of war does the same rule apply to kingdom or cities that were invaded because we know of the rapid expansion of the Islamic empire under rashidun and ummayad rule because I don't see much evidence of slavery in places where they invaded.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
The janissaries were at first christian children raised to be Muslim and the elite personal troops of the Sultan. Later on Muslims themselves started joining and the devshirme practice (taking of children) was banned. The janissaries despite being technically being 'slaves' were among the more privileged in society with their education, place in society and social mobility. They became powerful enough to often demand bigger and bigger salaries when a new sultans came to power (yes they were paid despite being slaves) and often overthrew and killed sultans who tried to lower their power. They were slaves in that they werent allowed to stop being janissaries but they were nothing like say the slaves that worked plantations in america.
Thank you, Dr. Brown! You have no idea how much this lecture helped me to understand Islam better, actually, I'm sure you do😂 Such a complex topic including religion, philosophy, history, and movies haha (I've seen them all too), yet in such a short time so well taught and delivered. This lecture is a gift. May God protect you and your family and reward you in Dunya and hereafter
I got his book … however he s made a fatal assumption based on Hadith and history that does not fit in with the spirit of Islam
@Seeker-bj4ct are you muslim?
A good take on a very difficult topic to address, I definitely still have questions but this has broadened my understanding by a lot. Thank you.
Yea holy shit he did an amazing job
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
@@evaa1969 Jesus was a philospher, Muhammad was a prophet whose characteristics is just like the rest of the Abrahamic Prophets.
@@Logan-zf1ftthe Prophet Muhammad is superior to Jesus
You’re a brave man, Dr. Brown. Amazing talk on a tough subject. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I feel so ignorant.. whenever I get asked about slavery in Islam I always sounded like an apologetic, but this is a very eye-opening take on the matter, May Allah bless you, heading now to audible to buy the book.
You are fooled again. Listen to him carefully. Did he discussed even prophet used to intercourse with slave girls, what are u going to do about that?
@@hiddentruth1424 the issue is that your idea of "slave" doesn't apply here. You are assuming that all slaves throughout history had the same experience of slavery, which is not the case.
@@MohammedBourasEng
I dont care about history definitions of slavery. I see prophet as an example. Did he not used to have intercourse with slave girls? Answer that and why not he brought this in to discussion?? He cant otherwise no one will buy his justifications.
@@hiddentruth1424 yes the prophet had one slave woman she was given to him a present, our mother Mariah (
May Allah be pleased with her) and he married her, and she had rights as a slave woman, what numerous "free" people nowadays don't. In this lecture prof, Jonathan was talking about the principle ideas, which if you understand you can easily draw conclusions for particular cases like the prophet's one, and in his book "slavery in Islam" he detailed on the matter.
the idea of basing your morality on your feelings is the core issue that you have to revise.
@@MohammedBourasEng absolutely right.
In order to understand to video u must watch till the end, I will try to sum up the video, or at least what I understood of it : 1) it’s unjust to have one broad definition of slavery, there’s no way to compare the slavery that happened in the west, specially in America with the slavery that happened in Muslim world back then. While in the Muslim world, we see scholars , sultans who would be considered to be slaves, and in fact one of the must power men and women in the Muslim history were slaves, ex Sultan Kusem, sultan Hurrum, Ahmed Pash.... ( the list is so long) 2) Islam didn’t demande for a full abolition of slavery, but it ask to dry it sources, the only way someone could be a slave is through war ( and which was a necessity at the era) but beside that all the laws in Islam insist that no one is better that other, no colour is superior over an other. Finally, Islam understood that change requires time, just like Alcool weren’t forbidden from the first glance, Islam set rules to demolish slavery with time
did he mention what rules are put into place to demolish slavery over time? War isnt going anywhere so how could slavery?
Im watching now gonna see how good your description is but i have a feeling its gonna be spot on because in your short comment you seem to be spot on to my understanding. To condense a lecture of this length is obviously very difficult but i think im gonna be impressed, and thats a skill
@@privatejr2702 what do you mean?
@@hyamick7584 so my understanding is that Islam allows Muslims to take "slaves" from those that are prisoners of war instead of killing them. So Muslims are not allowed to torture or kill, but can make those prisoners work for them. I put the word slaves in quotations because a Muslim has to give the "slave" the same quality of food and clothing that the owner enjoys and a shelter.
So if the Quran does not explicitly say that something is forbidden (haram), then we can't make it haram. Therefore if war isn't something that has ended, then how could the potential for slavery?
That being said, even the details of the war have to met in order for "slaves" to be taken. Im not entirely sure what the prerequisites are but I've heard there has to be a caliph.
What im trying to figure out is if Jonathans lecture is based in fact or more of a reactionary interpretation to the moral standards of our time. Hope that helps.
@@stevegilcrest8175 he didn't say that anywhere in his reply? Objective morality can never be obsolete
How difficult is to define freedom?? It is not relative concept and one can define it across time and space. "Major routes of slavery were prohibited in Islam and its not in Quran and Hadith and its just understood" at least be honest about what you saying. "Islam did not abolish slavery because no man did it."
Awesome discussion - one of the most brilliant discussion on Islam and slavery
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
@evelinevanamstel5808 the Bible preaches slavery. It never ended it
One of the best, insightful and clever point of view that treat this conundrum! Thank you dr and God bless you.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
this lecture was 3 years ago.. yet, I just found you.. this is an eye-opening lecture on the things i seriously didn't understand.
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but it still doesn't mesh. If the argument is that a lot of these concepts are impossible to define over all of history and time, then that is like he is saying that the Quran cannot be used as a guide for modern life.
If we follow the speakers reasoning the people can start to argue "well marriage is a very broad concept and doesn't mean the same thing today as it did at the time of the prophet", or "modesty has very different concepts through different places and eras"
Well i guess you can’t rely on a 1400 year old book after all.
@@Lizziee247 your name is fatima you will forever be a foreigner to the white people you are trying to please.
@@MentalHealthTreatment Your analogies don't mesh. Sharia's definitions of slavery, marriage and modesty are *prescriptive,* revealed and developed for us to follow. What Dr. Brown is saying about the definition of slavery is *descriptive,* he says there can't be one broad definition to describe slavery, since there have been so many forms of slavery throughout history.
@@Lizziee247
Lol
Personally since I’m born in a Muslim fam it never really bothered me cause i learned it the right way .I think the main problem and why people use those verses as “argument against/exposing Islam”is because of the negative conotation of the word slavery in the verse the only thing in common is the name “slavery”but the Islamic meaning is totaly diffrent
@@palash_airport prisoners of war
what does your right hand posses mean?
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
@@evaa1969jesus AS didn't forbid slavery and he was in no power position to own slave and there are prophets in the bible that owned slaves
@@evaa1969
Lol copy paste as usual 😂🤣
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
A brilliant treatment of this (quite frankly for me) perplexing issue. I've always wondered, considering the obligation on Muslims to treat all men justly and mercifully, why slavery was not straight away prohibited by Islam.
This lecture is very enlightening.
Thanks.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
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13:30 I’m not entirely sure this is accurate.
Didn’t the Achaemenid Persians, when led by Cyrus the Great, formally ban most slavery of non-PoW’s within the empire?
Not really
Wat if the woman captured as prisoner of war malakat aymanakum the right hand possessed doesn't like the Muslim man ?? Wat are Her Rights in Islam ?? This is really Bothering Question in My Mind for a Long Time .
As far as I know, if she want freedom, the Master was not allowed to keep her as a slave forcefully.
@@truth9328 Nah
@@truth9328 of the slave want her freedom she can buy it from his master through labour contract.
@@truth9328 the master must do it, If he really is a follower of Islam.
@@truth9328 now stop this primitive topic. Be human, not a religionofobist.
I feel like this is more of an American problem. For the rest of the world, especially here in Africa, we have a real understanding of slavery. What Americans had was not slavery, that was something else. In Africa we are obligated to enforce manual labour, because there are not enough jobs to automate some form of work that could be done by multiple people at a very cheap rate. People are paid a little, they have to move away from home and often, they are forced to live with their employer because it's not worth travelling back home. It's sounds a lot like some form of slavery, but the difference is, people are respected and they are not mistreated because of their race.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Sad to hear that
How is this more of an American problem, why bring America into it. Can you elaborate on your statement "here in Africa, we have a real understanding of slavery. " As an African, i would like to know your understanding of slavery? I am assuming all you know about slavery are taught to you in history classes or perhaps you lookup the slavery in dictionaries.what does manual enforcement of labour have to do with islamic slavery. To remind you manual labour is still enforce in many parts of the world today."what Americans, had was not slavery that was something else." I can see that you are now trying to rewrite history. 😂 America got its wealth from slavery, they killed thousands of slaves, yet you are saying what Americans, had was not slavery. If you wish to justify the slavery done by religion you are free to do so, but don't bring Africa in to it. Thousands of Africans got sold as slaves, millions of Africans got killed, and you here you are saying Africans, have a real understanding of slaverythat is different from the American one. I mean which part of Africa are you from? Am ashamed. Stop being a coward and stand for the millions of Africans who got sold as slaves. Never again.
I love this. This is “yes we had slavery but it was the good type!!” Southern Americans also used to say that 1- their slaves didn’t have it they had 2- that their was “wage slavery” in the north. A slave is a slave
At 13:00 upwards. That's a damn lie. Serer spirituality and culture rejects slavery in all its forms. I'm sick of these Arab Islam slavery apologies.
I listened to Dr.Brown's lecture and while I appreciate his intention to explain abhorrent practices in history as cultural constructs, I cannot help interpreting his arguments as moral relativism.
There is no dispute that slavery has existed in all ancient cultures with a range of explanations ( no prisons so prisoners were used as slaves in a multitude of ways).
However I think there is a universal value that transcends historical facts; and that is the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative.
One argument can be made that history ( and yes , this includes Islamic history) was never written from the perspective of the oppressed and enslaved thereby neglecting the accounts of persecuted .
I am not debating that Islam as an organized religious movement changed the harsh treatment of those oppressed. It is well documented ( i.e.: Bilal)
Dr.Brown's perspective never elaborates on the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative only as a cultural construct we should understand.
One has to question who the teller of history is and what constitutes morality more importantly.
Perhaps Dr. Brown's lecture would be understood better by me if I understood from which school of Islamic theology his thoughts derive.
But that is an entirely different discussion and one far too detailed to write about here. Thank you for letting me comment on such a thought provoking subject.
Ok that's fine, we accept slavery as a moral wrong.
Now can we all agree that having kids out of wedlock is a universal moral wrong. Bringing children into the world without one or even both parents is criminal.
Today we call this "freedom of choice to do what I want" and it's culturally accepted, but the social impacts of unwated kids getting dumped on the streets is really, really bad.
One could say, universally and morally wrong.
Good day. I am not exactly sure in what context ( in regard to Dr. Brown's lecture) you make this argument but if it is from a purely sociological perspective, one could try to understand the following.
1. A modern prison system that disproportionately incarcerates one population ( and since the original subject is slavery in Islam, I will elaborate on the race issue), that population is comprised mostly of an afro american, afro pan american. population and I am making reference to black males although the incarceration rate for black females is also high. I think a current statistic overall is 1 in 5 incarcerated is black currently in the U.S.
One has to interpret a population already economically disadvantaged in terms of wealth disparities and education opportunities to be further exacerbated by this ridiculously high incarceration rate, thereby distorting any community life much less family structures of nuclear family standards of 2 parents living with children. I would add ( no statistcs here) that extended family relationships might even be stronger in such a population where families may depend on aunts and grandparents to be participating in the raising of children, compared with white families .
2. The legacy of slavery in the Americas has been so brutal we can understand how the fallout of the horrors of separating families by slave owners on plantations and the migration north post reconstruction had to play a huge role in family structures moving forward from that horrific legacy. I am not a scholar but I am sure there is data on this.
Of course I could continue making many more arguments regarding your dismissal that black families do not subscribe to what you find an acceptable family structure in which to raise children but time and space limit my ability to make that argument here.
I will however note that the divorce rate in the US is somewhere around 47% and white families are no great examples of so called " intact family structures " that u imply are needed to raise " healthy" children.
@@lynnrosadudani529 It's to show how some readily accepted cultural norms today are really morally disgusting, but since it's widely accepted no one feels bad about it. My point wasn't about black families, but American culture as a whole.
All the points you make are valid and real consequences of the fallout of banning slavery in name, but not attacking the root racism that enabled the brutality of the slavery.
I do not think any Muslim, with a holistic understanding of Islam, would advocate for slavery today, and good riddance to it.
The systematic oppression of the African American community in the USA is something that is truly unjust, and Muslims stand in solidarity with them.
The legacy of Malcolm X, who did not believe that white people and black people could ever live in harmony together, changed completely when he went to Mecca and found people of all races, all ethnicity, all backgrounds coming together to worship a common lord. Eradicating racism is possible, but it must be a generational change and a focus on anti-racism.
@@electrotech2253 So Allah is morally wrong? Now that's interesting...
@@agnostimous2859 Allah allows things that are "morally wrong". If bad was censored, then the Islamic concept of free will is meaningless.
Since we believe Allah is infinity just, and seeing that there is little to no justice on earth, there must be an afterlife where everyone and everything that happened will be reviewed.
In short, do whatever you want in this life. You will stand in-front of God if you wronged someone.
The speech/lecture could have been more organised. He touches on many points and pieces of information. Informative but could have been more coherent. Thank you for uploading though.
Asa. Incredible lecture Prof.
Brown
I bought the book few months ago but have not started it, the video is helpful. Jazakallah khair to both the scholars. May Allah protect and preserve you both.
@Nomo your opinion
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
@@evaa1969 what were the names of Prophet Mohammed's many slaves?
Is this coming from those pastors who teach contrary to the teachings of Jesus?
You sound like an educated person why don't you yourself study the biography of the prophet, Martin Ling's is the best.
By the way Bible clearly talks about enslaving young girls, when talking about Amalakites. It ordered the killing of women, infants, cattles and orders the attackers to keep the unmarried girls for themselves.
I think you have also not read all of the bible to see these verses and many other verses.
Very good, we need more from Dr. Jonathan on this channel.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Somebody please answer me, why marriage (nikkah) was not needed to have intercourse with a female slave?
Isn't pre marital sex haram?
I'm a muslim and i love my religion but certain truths i did found out recently, and this make me doubt my religion and the holy book. I've been researching for the past 1 month on this topic but couldn't find a satisfying answer. Somebody please help me out.
I knew about it today I am also searching for it. Reply me if you anything about it
@@asoorahammed4836 you can see how refugees are treated in the world .
Many People think refugees are burden .
If you learn history inshallah you will understand slavery in Islam , actually exit to help innocent people .
Remember a slaves or Amma(sex slave) child is not a slave .
Watch umer sulaimon vedio about it .
My English is not good . I know Bangla
Read "Sexual ethics and Islam"
Book by Kecia Ali.
In short sex becomes licit when a man pays the Price which can be in the form of price of a concubine or in the case of wife her mahar.
@@asoorahammed4836 Read "Sexual ethics and Islam"
Book by Kecia Ali.
In short sex becomes licit when a man pays the Price which can be in the form of price of a concubine or in the case of wife her mahar.
Nobody can help you sister. This stuff is messed up. I have been struggling with this for 3 years. There is no satisfactory answer. They just say that slavery was normal in those days. That's the only answer they have.
Stop talking about the definition of the word and what it has meant over time - instead describe a system of work and wages and ask if it is morally acceptable, and if there were means to break a contract which was deemed unfair. Humans have developed better methods to negotiate better and fairer methods of work and wages. Slavery as defined in scripture is unfair and it cannot be changed because it is dogma. Especially an "all knowing god" (as defined by these scriptures) should have known better.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
So the crucial question is "Why did Allah not prohibit slavery"
He did but gradually focused on emancipation (freeing of slaves) and blocked routes for the population of slaves growing. The lecture talks about this.
@@asoorahammed4836 where in the quran
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@@asoorahammed4836 you said things about slavery and that you cant stop doing it because it is in the quran and i am asking were
@@walidoutaleb7121 in a verse it said a man can have sex with his slave.that made me angry but when i learned more about it it opened my eyes. Allah allowed it because for the peoples during that time it isnt even a sin it was a normal thing to them. But since right know we cant accept slavery we can fight against it (i really hate isis sex slavery ). Thats how i realized certain things get changed by time.
(I also deleted my old comment cause there is errors in it)
Slavery is legal in Islam, and it is not Haram (forbidden) or even Makhruh (despised), but Halal (permissible). Slaves can be captured through war, which is fair, because they are the enemy. This is better than what the US does (see Abu Ghraib, Baghram, etc.) However, they cannot be civilians, ie only POWs. Although Muslim apologists try to explain it away by saying it was supposedly supposed to be gradually done away with, there is little evidence to suggest this, other than a general encouragement of freeing slaves. Slaves must be given free food, healthcare, clothing, and shelter, equivalent to what their owner gets for themselves. Slaves cannot be overworked, beaten, mistreated, etc. They cannot be prevented from other normal activities like marriage.
Essentially, the labor shifts from government welfare subsidization to private ownership and subject to market rates. This is as so to prevent the tax money being spent on POWs, akin to how the world's governments are wasting money on useless people. Muslim empires of the past followed the rules to some degree depending on leadership, but like most nations, they sought wealth over the law, and thus the Arab Slave Trade and such resulted in many innocent people having become slaves, with lower levels of rights. The Rashidun Caliphate, however, was the earliest and adhered most closely to the original teachings.
that is the most enlightening lecture about slavery I have ever heard
Dr Jonathan at 59:44: "The Quran does not propose abolition. Why not? Because nobody proposed abolition until the early modern period."
christians abolished slavery in the middle east lol, cope
Tunisia (islamic country) was the first to officially abolish slavery, after Ahmed Bey, who was ruling Tunisia at the time, ordered the final abolition of slavery, in 1846. The abolition of slavery was not suddenly approved on January 23, 1846, as it was preceded by several decisions, including the issuance of an order Concerning the prohibition of trafficking in "slave" and their sale in the markets in September 1841.
Quran support free slave surah noor 33
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Much more important than the abolition of slavery is achieving justice and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top the Kabba the most secret place for Arabia. Muslims basically believe that Humans are the holiest being on the earth and a black slave represented the human race in the most important event in Islamic history. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of his servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in the Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we are still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in the world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is a core concept of being a Muslim and that is what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is achieving justice and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top the Kabba the most secret place for Arabia. Muslims basically believe that Humans are the holiest being on the earth and a black slave represented the human race in the most important event in Islamic history. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of his servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in the Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we are still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in the world. Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is a core concept of being a Muslim and that is what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Thank you Iam egyptian and found this lecture very informative ..
I wish there is arabic translation for this .
Who cares where you are from
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انتا مالك
@@thematrix2783 المصريين حبايبنا بنحبكم في الله
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
I waited a long time for the conference to start.
It barely starts at 49 minutes... nope.
The title being Slavery in islam, i expected something else then snot drinking is bad but for some it is not, everybody had slaves, women covering their heads, morality is subjective etc.
It really starts at 53'35.
"I won't say Islam is da best for slaves"... but Islam is da best for slaves, ever !
He forgot to mention slavery lasted 13-14 centuries without any sign of stopping.
New slave routes were created, millions of Africans murdered, enslaved, mutilated, raped... But at least they had "protection".
He is defending his faith, not history.
Good lecture but indeed there are many things to add like:
1. War prisoners were freed in exchange for educating children.
2. Story of Billal R.A his standing in muslim society.
3. Master will bound to give same food & clothes what themselves use.
So it's ok?
@@user-hn2pj9bg3z have a watch over Guatanamo jail what US did with prisoners
Ur source for point 1 ??
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
very interesting lecture. The past was a different country indeed
A very informative lecture,thanks
Here's a good way to look at it; how would you like it if non Muslims gained and handled slaves in the exact same was as is outlined here? How would you like if if a family member of yours was enslaved in the same manner. Whether it was or was not unheard of for people to be against slavery altogether, people have, for many centuries had the wherewithal to be against their in group, the demographic they value the most being enslaved. In the case of Islam, enslaving non Muslims was forbidden, in the Catholic Church in the middle ages it was forbidden for Christians to be enslaved under pain of excommunication. In later years the west was against the enslavement of white people. All these people had to do was look at slavery through the lens of the golden rule and they would have been against slavery.
In the Old Testament, there is also considerable apprehension to making Hebrews slaves. Foreigners could easily be bought as slaves, but Israelites could only be subjected to debt slavery for a fixed period.
Jonathan Brown could not even bring himself to say Muslims contributing to the transatlantic slave trade was wrong in the case of non Muslims being trafficked. Its nice that some of the audience questions were sharp witted and I doubt they were very satisfied with his answers.
Exactly. A very poor argumentation. But in fact you can't argue that slavery is maybe a little bit sometimes not bad. No it is and it always be.
But Muslims didn't contribute to the Atlantic slave trade. Many of those slaves were Muslims! So it did happen to the Muslims. Let's not forget Africans had war captives as well that they captured from going to war with other tribes. They sold many of those war captives to those Europeans. Of course we know that Africans weren't treating their war captives like the Europeans were treating the Africans they enslaved. But even Africans had war captives. So as he said in this video Africans were wrong as well. We also know that when the Africans found out what the Europeans were doing with the war captives they sold to them they refused to sell them anymore war captives and then Europeans left came back with the Spaniards and enslaved Africans and colonized Africa. So I understand what he said you can't pick choose because the Africans sold the war captives they had to the Europeans.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Amazing , this guy really puts things into perspective ,.
Very nice and informative talk. However he shouldn't have been apologizing for watching movies.everyone knows that every Muslim almost seems everywhere watch movies constantly. It's nothing to apologize for.
I wouldn't call it slavery in terms of the Islamic context. More like guardianship where you have responsibilities on the individual.
@@nxxpluto1191 If went to public they will be get killed or raped
@Grendel Pizza Slavery solved alot of problems in the old days
@@OmarOsman98 So? Doesn't mean it was justified. Slavery is and always was wrong, you can never justify it
Typical Petersonism, constantly reinventing words' definitions 🥱
You go a long way to make it common and acceptable what Islamic slavery what's specially done and allowed by the Prophet Muhammad. Just accept it and deal with it, that initiational religion, another form of slavery. Think bravely and become free, from your subconscious programming.
Good lecture. See Verse 4 in Surah 47 (Muhammad) of the Quran. I heard a Muslim scholar state that this particular verse marked the end of a significant source of slavery.
That was a tough one Dr Brown! Masha'Allah
Thank you Dr … Brilliant.. Exactly what I needed at this moment in my life..May Allah bless you.
Children of masters being free and having the 'same status' as other children of the household is in the Bible as well, the example that comes to mind is Ishmael the son of Abraham and Hagar the Egyptian slave.
Agreed but freeing a male born from slavery is practiced all over in Islamic history to the point that most of Muslims rulers in Islamic history was children of slaves and this phenomena is only unique to Islamic history in the human history.
@@MAX-tw3qz But then God created a great nation from Ishmael & provided for the bond woman & child.
Interesting that he cant use the Quran to defend freeing a slave.
If you knew anything about the Qur'an, you'd know that there are several verses that command just that. 2:177 and 90:13 are two examples.
@@SeriouslySerene it does not command you to free them…
@@SeriouslySerene Neither 2:117 nor 90:13 "command" the freedom of slaves. Look at the full context for both, it only recommends and encourages manumission.
I wish he spoke slower when he spoke in Arabic as I am still relatively new to the language and I am trying to understand what he says. What was the verse that he mentions at the very beginning regarding the parable?
16:75
for the Slavery in Islam, please search and read the story of Bilal bin Rabah.
Bilal ibn Rabah's story is not relevant as he was never captured in battle as a war slave but already a slave from Jahiliya times who converted to Islam. Bilal's conversion when Islam was in its infancy and Muhammad did not have to play politics to keep new converts happy played a significant role in his manumission.
I knew about the differences in slavery but the way it was presented by Dr Brown is a masterpiece. I still couldn't share this video with my black friends even the examples of slavery in the islamic world had radically opposite fates to those in the West (the famous Sinan was a slave. It doesn't make much sense in the the way slave is understood now.)
what is the name of the movie the professor mentioned in the lecture?
Mad Max? Wonder Woman?
Movies cited are "Amistad", "12 years a slave" and later he mentions "The 13th Warrior"
It’s as if he’s been trained to brainwash is that slavery is ok or Islam allowed it or Islam didn’t do enough to get rid of slaves etc etc .... can’t make my mind up if this is a con or not.
@WyL can't put it any better bro
Lol
So,if the industrial revolution help abolish slavery in the west, why is kt that slavery still exist in africa?
Which one do you want to be a waged labourer or someone who is making successful gains (and spending it, not hoarding it)?
ضَرَبَ ٱللَّهُ مَثَلًا عَبْدًا مَّمْلُوكًا لَّا يَقْدِرُ عَلَىٰ شَىْءٍۢ وَمَن رَّزَقْنَٰهُ مِنَّا رِزْقًا حَسَنًا فَهُوَ يُنفِقُ مِنْهُ سِرًّا وَجَهْرًا ۖ هَلْ يَسْتَوُۥنَ ۚ ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
If slavery is intrinsically wrong then why is prisoning someone right?
Temporary imprisonments only Is allowed for prisoners of war and possibly a thief
@@amuthi1 but maybe being owned by someone and traveling with them to places is better than sitting in a cell for 30 years some might argue.
@@nothanks8594 If something is Intrinsically wrong it is wrong temporarily as well!
@@amuthi1 He/she must live as prescribed by the "authorities" so does it matter if owned or not owned?
Hypothetically, imagine if Muhammad had abolished slavery. And the Christians practised forms of slavery described by him at the end of his talk--where importance of freeing is emphasised, children born of slave mothers are free, treating your slaves humanely, slaves obtaining high offices (e.g grand viziers) etc. Would you think in that situation he would have accepted arguments in defence of it? The only reason he doesn't see anything wrong with Islamic Slavery is because it was practised by Muhammad and not outlawed in the Koran.
Of course, the biais is obvious... :)
Absolutely. And when he said "why Islam didn't prohibited slavery? Why not because nonody before modern time did" just emphasized the fact that religion is from humans. Not from a supposed God in the sky.
Nothing abolish actually. And it exists in another forms today.
@@youtubeaccount9378 religion did not abolish slavery, hence religion is from humans. can you hear how idiotic it sounds?
imagine if the whole history of the world was different what it actually is. Would world still be the same as it is in the present today? NO
Thank you for this lecture. May Allah reward you.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Freedom isn't a relative concept. There is only one possibilty. You can have a view from historical context. Mr. Brown forgets to speak about the concept of castration and trade. He tries to built a security wall for Islam. The Muslim caliphates practised catching or buying people over 1000 years. Mecca was a big trading center. Millions of black people were castrated for trading in the muslim caliphates. Why? In the other countries and cultures slaves were part of a mixing process. Not so in the caliphates. Eunuches were part of the system having more than one wife. What would it means if a muslim had to live as Eunuch. This is the existential part of freedom for people. Castration stops this catagory of freedom which is for a extreme patriarchats is basically.
The question isn't which culture or religion is better or bad. Do all the muslims of the world know what was part of their history. The Western people get information of both aspects of their culture. Good and bad. The christianity hasn't make us to better humans but many of us getting the motivation for a critical and selfcritical view of enlightment.
This makes the differences and conflicts today. Western people and Christians arn't victoms. We win and loose, are good and bad. This is another form of freedom. A freedom with a order for us: All people shoud have the same rights because they are humans. It isn't a religion which makes humans better. We can have a critical view on prophets, popes, sentences in books and scripts. I have the choice to be a Christ or Muslim or nothing. My idea is to live with freedom of speech. Humans as individual have my respect, not religious idees or texts and books . But I never would kill a book because I would kill an idea of thinking. But can have a critical view.
The Saudis still call black and Asian workes "Abid" slaves.
All Arabs do this not just Saudis. I don't know why people always pin shit only on Saudis.
I'm glad I stumbled here this morning learned a lot what the nice guy.
Why Didn’t Allah abolish slavery?
I appreciate Dr. Brown but this lecture on slavery seems amiss.
One can be a slave to his desires,to sex, to money ,to alcohol,drugs and other forms of modern slavery to which in a way or another one can not get rid of .This is my personal opinion.
There is one page (not a book) that did more for prohibiting slavery than all religious books combined. It starts like this: "All humans are created equal"… So basically, humans as failable as they can be, nowadays, have much higher humanist standards than any religious book. Islam is the worse because it legalized slavery and set up very specific rules on how to buy/sell/treat slaves. That surely cannot come from an all knowing, all merciful, all perfect creator of the universe. Just for this one issue, it’s clearly impossible that Islam could have any godly attribute. Sorry…
@Dee Zyl So are you saying that islam's god stopped slavery?
@Dee Zyl So when the prophet and the sa7aba used to make women prisoner of wars as their slaves, they were not taught the right islam? And we know better than them? Is the prophet and sa7aba the minority you're talking about?
Dee Zyl sorry didn’t see the answer about the prophet and sa7aba practicing slavery. Would you be kind enough to repeat it. The question was: were the prophet and Sahaba unaware that their version of Islam they were practicing was not as good as the version Muslims are practicing today when it comes to slavery?
Dee Zyl Knowing that there is more than 4000 religions in the world, the assertion that Islam is the first at something is simply not true...
Dee Zyl alcohol was also deeply rooted in the society, so was lending, so was adultery, etc... why did the god of Islam easily prohibited everything else, except slavery? You mean he could order many rules to humans except this one? Why? Is there anything worse than owning another human being? Number 2, there are no steps to prohibit slavery in Islam. Having steps means that there is an end result. Islam never ended slavery. The book was finished with slavery staying legal. Unless you think there is another version of Islam coming again, slavery is settled in Islam, it is legal and it has very specific laws as to how to buy/sell another human being, under which conditions you will punish this human being, how to fornicate with that other human being even without consent and so on... there is nothing mentioning a prohibition at any point in the past or in the future... As a matter of fact, slavery markets were thriving in Saudi Arabia until the fifties... and they were removed only because of the United Nations pressure. That alone tells you all you need to know about Islam and Slavery.
44:45 Where are you from?
Ans-Bangladesh.
Me- What in the name of Pan-Masala a Bangali is doing there....?
my point of view is that slavery exists today as contracts signed with "employers" on a much more mediatised scale than the prophet muhamed's pbuh era !
Good Lecture! خزاك الله خيراً
جزاك و ليس خزاك
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
The name of the book that was mentioned at the end of the lecture, may Allah bless you ..
Very nice Dr. Brown!
Why does the Quran explicitly not forbid slavery outright, just like eating pork? Was it because it was so familiar and would have been impossible to consider given the Orf (standard practice) at that time. Yet our Islamic Fiqh has volumes of Fiqh opinions on slavery on how to buy and sell them, and even today, our fiqh books allow an enslaved woman to pray with only covering the navel to knee. Thank you for your attempt to make sense of this challenging subject, but honestly, why not outlaw it if Islam, as we claim it, came as a revolution to take people from darkness into light.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
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Abolishing slavery (taking war prisners as slaves) is not possible until & unless all the states on the face of the earth unanimously & universally agree upon not to take war prisoners as slaves.
Slavery is Multilateral, not unilateral.
Actually the slavery in Islam is not the slavery we think.The meaning of slavery in Islam is completely different, (At the time of prophet Muhammad)after a war the prisoners used to be distributed in men instead of being killed they had the right to get their freedom by various ways.
I once read a book in English, it extrapolates that my great great great grandparents used to sit waiting outside the house of White people to ask them for a job. The job can be vary, gardening, driving around the madam or the lords, cleaning the house etc. And the book describes how the White people eventually fed up and hired one of my great great grandparents even they didn't need one. It was a form of consensual slavery in modern definition. Because they tended to stay in the house, paid with minimal wage. Even some of women become the Lords' concubines but she doesn't have legal right of the children. However my guess is working with White people in colonialism time gave them status they desired.
Islam does not propose abolition because it would put Muslims at a disadvantage. That is the real reason.
Imagine others invade Muslims and take slaves but Muslims can't retaliate or exchange! Islam preaches justice, not turning other cheek.
Muslims are allowed to retaliate with the same level of transgression 2:194
Zoroastrianism somehow abolished slavery and didn’t need this sort of mental gymnastics
Thank you for your time. Very informative.
Not all slavery is the same. Just like not all killing is murder.
But all slavery is immoral and can not be excused.
mental gymnastics deserve gold medal
الحمد لله الحمد لله الحمد لله ثم الحمد لله على نعمة الإسلام!!!!
thank you sir for beautiful lecture
مقوله مشهوره لأحد الخلفاء الراشدين. متى استعبدتم ألناس وقد ودلتهم أمهاتهم احرارا؟
The Universe is Not a Hierarchical Pyramid of Mathematic Quantities
The Universe is a Holarchic Sphere of Spheres of Consciousness Qualities ❤️ 💚 💜
Islam is a universal religion, applicable to every place & time since the Prophet Muhammad SAW. Thus, in periods of time where slavery is necessary, but since it is a wide concept, Islam comes to limit it & restrict it, to one specific form that minimizes harm, and encourages the generous act of freeing slaves. In a time where slavery is abolished or not needed Islam does not recommend, because "Allah wants freedom."
What confuses me is that There should be no slavery at all. If Islamic is perfect and beautiful, then there should be no human owned by another human. Period. Why do we need all these lectures and interpretations. It could’ve been banned immediately just like others - pork, alcohol, sex, etc
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Many societies are disgusted by sex among school kids rather than child marriage. with marriage you have one partner, parent consent and legal framework where parents share responsibility with their children and care for prospect offspring is guaranteed in the family.
In islam to become a slave there are two ways: born to slave father or captured in war, but only where the other side also captures slaves, so they can be exchanged. Abolition would put muslims in disadvantage.
On being born to a slave father.
There was an improvement in the end, fortunately.
Nice nice
But islam didnt forbid slavery.
In case in wars
Why ?
سوسن شاه
it counted as a part of the “treasure” you gained from winning the wars. but you still had to treat the slaves as you would treat any other person, with just guidelines.
I believe it was a culture at that time that to own a slave at a time of war and slowly Islam forbid it untill it was no more in practice today..
mozuka5129 exactly back then it couldn’t have been abolished straight away like this because it was deeply rooted into the traditions and culturs back then and they would have not followed mohammed if he said Slavery is abolished which is why he gradually tried to abolish it step by step.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN ISLAMIC SCHOLAR
Sayyid Qutb, a leading scholar of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood wrote in his tafsir that slavery was a way of handling prisoner of war and it was necessary for Islam to adopt a similar line of practice until the world devised a new code of practice during war other than enslavement.
@Luke D. ...Oo..where do you get the idea that it is still being practiced..?..Do you have any proof?
God bless you You are also speaking Arabic and reciting quraan.
The problem with Islam is that muslims are saying it’s coming from a perfect supreme being, creator of the universe. Any proposition that includes slavery as a mere possibility in the human construct that respects basic human rights, dignity and decency cannot be the reflection of a divine god. A divine being would have said very easily and without leaving any doubt: You shall not buy/sell humans and slavery is strictly forbidden. Period. No buts, ifs, or may be’s…
You don't know what you are talking about. Your point might sound rhetorically valid but it is logically flawed, because 1) you don't know what is important to God or not (divine set of values, so to speak) ; 2) you don't possess all the information that God has access to. So stop trying to wrap your mind around this kind of problems, it's beyond human understanding.
Or else don't pretend you believe in a hypothetical God just for the sake of your lazy reasoning.
@@easywriter3000 That's exactly the point the Church made for centuries to justify slavery. The problem with this is that you can't say that on one hand and say that this god is the most knowledgeable that changed humanity from evil to good. And if you can't make this point about God, then you just destroyed the idea of this all mighty god from the inside. Basically, you're saying this god allows Slavery for our own good, and he knows better, so slavery is good. Thank you very much , but I'll pass, this god will never be my god...
@@easywriter3000 For number 2, I'm not trying to wrap my mind around this "kind of problem". My mind is actually very clearly set: Slavery is evil, period. I don't care if your god thinks it's ok or not and sorry that you don't see that just because your god told you that it'sok to own slaves and that you shouldn't ask questions because he knows better... This is actually an easy one, a 5y old kid would figure this out and any logical and reasonable person who is not intent to believe whatever is presented to them as unquestionable truth as long as it's enshrined in sacred BS. Sorry to see you on the Evil side on this one. Perfect example of how Dogma takes away logic, humanism and dignity from an otherwise normal person to the point where they justify pure evil.
@@agnostimous2859 bruh, how the hell... ok first of all you claim to that "Dogma takes away logic, humanism and dignity" while not using logic yourself. How can you even dare to call yourself logical when your committing locial fallacies that you are arguing against... You are not seeing things more clearly by excluding all "ifs, buts and maybes". You're excluding IMPORTANT AND EXTREMELY RELEVANT historical context. You are losing your mind because you are not content with the fact the islam did not explicitly state slavery is bad. Islam limited the sources of slavery with the aim of abolishing it.
At that time, slavery was practiced through different means; people were enslaved through kidnapping and abduction, wars, and debts. Islam abolished all of these means with the exclusion of the enslavement of war prisoners. In its characteristic manner of introducing rulings, Islam did not abruptly abolish slavery but banned it by degrees to maintain social stability. now, guess what, slavery still exists on TODAY for social stability? where you say? RIGHT IN THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. if you are so opposed to slavery why don't we focus on the supposed democracy that claims to have eliminated slavery but actually perpetuates the very system through its horrendous PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. its disgusting that a country can claim to be a democracy while explicitly stating in the constitution that slavery is ALLOWED if you have committed a crime. if slavery is inherently evil (which i agree it is), then this should not be allowed and all of the country and world should raging against this policy.
Islam limited the sources of slavery with the aim of abolishing it; Islam prohibited enslaving anyone except those captured in battles when Muslims fought and defended themselves against tyrant enemies. This prohibition included the offspring of previously taken slaves. Islam allowed the enslavement of those who fought against Muslims in non-Muslim countries including women and children. However, it is only the Muslim ruler who was entitled to decide this according to what he sees as being in the best interest of Muslims. It was categorically forbidden to enslave anyone who did not fight Muslims. Enslaving a warrior is less evil than killing him. Islam prohibited the killing of female captives of war and substituted this with enslavement. In spite of this, Islam set certain ethics for the good treatment of slaves. It urged Muslims to treat them kindly and not harm them and prohibited any aggression against them.
Out of its eagerness for freeing all people, Islam expanded the means for emancipating slaves by making the manumission of a slave an of sins. These include breaking the fast in the month of Ramadan, zihar (wherein a husband deems his wife as unlawful to him as his mother), involuntary manslaughter, breaking oaths and the like. At the outset, Islam urged its followers to emancipate slaves and then limited the sources of slavery to help in its abolishment.
How can you ignore the historical context of this. I think that is vastly important. I use to be like you btw. I used to hate islam because of its "stance on slavery" that I saw around me. Then i educated myself. Also, for God's sake, they teach kids to look at every historical occurance through a social, cultural, economic, and political scope in mf AP WOrld History. And God knows how old you are you cant even do that. BTW, Muslims are slaves to Allah(swt). How could we possibly think we are in any position to own other human beings. Shariah law does not allow slavery. Slavery in Islam is a misleading phrase as it indicates that Islam perpetuated the system when in reality it barely tolerated and ultimately eliminated it.
Cutie Pie “Bruh”, are you saying God had a historical context that prevented him from prohibiting slavery for humans he created? I see you’re answering with a lot of emotions about things you haven’t read about. Islam has never banned slavery... slavery in Islam was practiced for centuries by sharia law up until the 50’s in some Muslim countries, including the prophets country, Saudi Arabia... as a matter of fact it was practiced by the prophet and his companion themselves... the other fallacy you make is that you are comparing gods morals to humans or the United States morals... that comparison in itself is a problem that works against Islam.. here is something else you can add to your knowledge: slaves were not necessarily war captives. As a matter of fact one of the most famous slaves (Mariya the Copt) was gifted to the prophet Muhammad) and he enslaved all her life, had sex with her and the god of Islam didn’t have any issue with that. Furthermore, even if a slave converts to Islam, he still remains a slave and can’t be freed just because he became a Muslim. See the problem in your logic?
Sleezy , cunning, scholars like these that helped me to leave Islam
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@@cervezaway7049 who cares!! MAY ALLAH GUIDE U!!
@@naheedtufail2137 - Allah does guide me - there is a just god - all religions are social orders used by the powerful to manipulate and subjugate the masses - & p.s - Allah is far greater than the author of the Quran
@@cervezaway7049 bro just because of this matter you can't just denied other proof that are mixing with sience i believe that the prophet before he die said something sbout this but if you know what happen to his family when he die and who did that you will know that they didn't allow people to know it
Please debate with rabi zacharias n abdulla sameer
Those Irish or people from the British Isles were not slaves..pioneers maybe.
This is pro islamic how is this fair
It's not a debate. There's no need for fairness.
God I love this man
من النور الی الظلمه..from light to darkness
This guy must be given a mufti aazam position
Slaves in muslim communitis(with some exceptions) are always decreasing in number. While in americas in the 1700s are increasing in number. That because, islam formed gates out of slavery.while in Americas you born a slave you die a slave.
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Assalamualiakum
I have a question , so you are allowed to enslave captives of war does the same rule apply to kingdom or cities that were invaded because we know of the rapid expansion of the Islamic empire under rashidun and ummayad rule because I don't see much evidence of slavery in places where they invaded.
Mozes was against slavery while he was a prince in Egypt. Not knowing that he was Jewish he felt that the Jewish slaves where facing great injustice. Also God, JHWH said to him that He had seen the suffering of His people so He gave mozes the task to lead them out of slavery, out of Egypt. Afther that God gave the ten commendments, which keep them out of slavery: Love GOd and your neighbour as yourself = the two first commandments whisch are inseparabe. So you can not love God and do harm to your neighbour. Jezus came to fullfill that law, so He fullfilled the law of God, inlcuded also that you can not Enslave people. Jezus had therefore no slaves! (unlike Mohammed who had many slaves)
Hey, we are definitely better than ice cream. Wdym??
In Islam, Is the offspring of a master and his slave guaranteed freedom from the time of birth ? The literature says no , but the prof brown says yes
The "literature" actually does say they are his children equal to his wife children
@@soulreaper1945 Yeah I guess that excuses the fact that they're children our of rape... Al hamdoullilah... hikma...
Agnostimous did you not watch the video? He clearly stated that raping or even abusing a slave or anyone you hold power over is strictly prohibited
Any person who tries to justify or whitewash slavery is worse than those who practiced it
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Lol
Define slavery in the first place... Go ahead
You have right to remain silent anything you will say will be use against you
I don't know Arabic but I can hear his American accent when he talks or quote in Arabic :)
No his Arebic is very good I'm from Saudi Arebia.
@@fetiyawezir9139 i am not saying his arabic is not good. But i hear is accent that's all
@@neptunejoo What's the relevance of this comment?
@@jodolski nothing... :)
So what's your point
Can someone explain the janissaries
The janissaries were at first christian children raised to be Muslim and the elite personal troops of the Sultan. Later on Muslims themselves started joining and the devshirme practice (taking of children) was banned. The janissaries despite being technically being 'slaves' were among the more privileged in society with their education, place in society and social mobility. They became powerful enough to often demand bigger and bigger salaries when a new sultans came to power (yes they were paid despite being slaves) and often overthrew and killed sultans who tried to lower their power. They were slaves in that they werent allowed to stop being janissaries but they were nothing like say the slaves that worked plantations in america.
Jazakallah for this talk ☺ Very informative
We still live in slavery Today . Just a more modern kind !
thank you.