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I saw a picture of him with Stan Lee from the 30th anniversary of DKR panel in 2016 and he looked older than Stan Lee. This guy has been dealing with health issues for at least 10 years. I’m just glad he is still alive and able to draw at all. I would like to see the B&W versions of those covers. I don’t think his art is done any favors by the garish coloring.
I actually think the colours really work on the Moon Knight and Thing covers, but the Wolverine unjust looks dull to me. The black and white is much better.
@@Michael_Bancroft I feel the same. I like the Moon Knight and The Thing. The Blade cover is ok, would like to see that one B&W. The wolverine cover IMHO is very strange. Not sure what he’s going for on that one.
People forget how important an inker is. Frank has always had a blocky style, he just went full blocky with sin city and never looked back. While he was at marvel he had some of the best inkers on his stuff like Klaus Janson and Joe Rubinstein.
I heard someone say about the original turtles comics- “it’s off but in the best way possible” this has that same energy. This (like the turtles comics) have an outsider/underground feel that is attractive. You sir are an amazing and talented artist, my work will never have the polish that yours does. When I see this it makes me feel like my raw, rough-edged style has a chance.
Thank you so much, Jack. Yeah, as brilliant as the old 80s Frank Miller was, I don't begrudge him at all for wanting to explore a grittier, simpler style, and to see how far he could take it. I don't care for the Wolverine cover, but some of the others look pretty great to me.
This is in no way close to the original tnmt the turtles were much more detailed and keeps you turning page this stuff looks about good enough to use as toilet paper
Yeah idk man. That worked (humans still looked a bit off in a bad way but acceptable knowing the experience and most of the effort went into the turtles and amusing themselves) but here, the wacky style defense doesn’t really work. It’s an experiment that failed
@@enotsnavdier6867 Of Course! There was Holy Terror in 2011. His Truely unhinged, ultra right wing, anti Muslim tale where "not Batman" stops terrorists with the power of racism! I think he's since walked back his views at the time, but fuck me if you haven't looked into that shit show.
It is pretty brilliant. I only started to learn about him after he'd stopped drawing like that, so it came as a bit of a shock to me how technically good he was.
I don't hate the new stuff, but it feels like it's a completely different artist. It's like somewhere along the way Frank completely switched how he thought about drawing pages completely.
To me Frank Miller will always be a legend and by far the greatest American comic book artist and writer of all time. He did more than enough in his lifetime creatively to warrant kicking back and just creating what he wants. I totally get where you’re coming from if you do hate it. But I’ll always love him and what he does.
I used to love him and his work but after reading the comic book equivalent of the Necronomicon Ex Mortis known as Holy Terror I want stay the fuck away from him as much as humanly possible
@@FriezaDBZKing69I'm sorry but that's your opinion I'll listen to the industry vets who think he's one of the greatest comic book artists of ALL TIME. no way to even debate that brody. But opinions are like assholes bro
He started as a student and imitator of Neal Adams, and over decades has constantly changed, stylized, and experimented with the limits of how far recognizable ideas can be pushed. It doesn't work every time, but the willingness to push and experiment is a thing the American industry is heavily lacking right now and deserves commendation.
Bro I call pro artists out all the time. Especially because they're supposed to b pro. No excuse for lazy work. You were right to say no one would like twice at this if not fir his name in the cover. Great writer and artist, when he gives a damn .
The other covers he has done in this set are all pretty cool. This Wolverine falls short. Not just because “we” want his 1984 style, it’s the composition and the face that are very jarring. I would love an issue or mini series of Moon Knight in that style though.
It’s kinda weird how people are comparing this to his work from 40 years ago. I don’t know if they are serious in their critique when not comparing it to more recent evolutions of his work.🤷♂️I personally think this new drawing makes DK2 appear more tolerable.
Because art is art. It doesn't matter when it was created, and it doesn't matter how old or disabled you are when making it. The art speaks for itself.
As someone pointed out about David Choe, artists tend to master their style or a few styles of art and then often revert to a simplistic or even childlike way of drawing.
A lot of the older style of Miller is dependent on a few other factors that aren’t around anymore, such as the use of an inker other than himself, and even more vital, his former partnership with his ex-wife as colorist. There were panels in Dark Knight Returns that were left blank or very sparsely realized and the image came out in the coloring stage. I still think these new images are interesting but others have shown that the image can be changed completely with a different color style and I think that’s the main issue.
His Blade and Spider-Man covers are good. When Frank Miller did Sin City he started drawing totally blocky which looks cool in black and white but I think makes it look weird when not carefully colored.
Frank Miller will never not be an inspiration to me. Having said that, I think he's just trolling now, which, at this age in his life, I'm totally fine with. 👍
The style is definitely more grotesque. The two qualities people care about is: Is it successful in what it’s trying to do? Do people want to see it? Even if what he was trying to do is what he meant to do, people want to see cool and noir. Not simplified and brutish.
I think his job is to get people interested and get people talking and that's what he's done. If he gave us more of the same, I probably wouldn't have heard of this so he is doing his job
Ik this is old, but seeing this now it just makes me think, as an artist, someone now comfortable enough to do something more their own stylized way, instead of something typically seen as more appropriate and professional
Forgive me if it's not appropriate, but Frank probably had to do what artists like Todd McFarlane and more had to be starting out - accessible. Frank is someone for YEARS I couldn't wrap my head around why, oh why, people loved his work. But his stories are compelling. And for that, to be able to have more creative control in how you portray your view of characters, that's sick! It's unconventional, to be sure, but still something admirable.
I agree. Some great artists begin to simplify their style quite drastically as the get older (even simply due to health reasons), look at Hugo Pratt for instance. Negative critics are inevitable, but I like those covers, they still reveal Miller's competence and energy.
(1) Miller has been reducing comic forms to their most minimalistic for 30 years now. Getting to the essence of visual storyteling will be Miller's legacy. (2) Miller has been having fun not taking licensed properties too seriously for at least 20 years. Every time he draws a character he hasn't created keep in mind he's just having a goof for a pay check.
i always like the quote of picasso on these kind of things ' it took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child' Art styles changes.
I think now has a more unique style than before (not saying that his previous art is bad it’s fkn amazing indeed) but now you can see it and say “oh yes this is from Miller” and looks cool
He did a lot, he changed the world of comics. But now he is on a descending phase, also as writer, since years. Probably also his health state is getting worst, it's understandable. Anyway will be remembered as a master.
Artists get bored by the basic typical stuff, when you're an artist for long like Miller, you learn that the realistic stuff isn't that hard or compeling anymore, so you experiment, people will either like it or not, but I doubt he cares
20 years from now everyone will be doing a style similar to this. There’s a certain indie feel to this. It’s blocky jagged. Realism isn’t the height of work. It ain’t my favorite but it ain’t bad.
I'm a semi reluctant fan of late era Miller art. I agree with you that there is something working there, and it feels like if you put Kirby through a woodchipper, but I'm not sure that that is a bad thing. The blocky Miller work didn't start working for me until after I saw his illustrations in Cursed. Something about it spoke to me and has allowed me to enjoy these covers
I met Rubinstein, who did the inks on Wolverine 1-? And he said Millers pencils were always junk. He also said that Wolverines look wasn't set by Miller, but from Rubinstein taking cues from Eastwood and Nicholson.
@Michael Bancroft outside of Miller, I think the original look has stuck with every artist that picked up the job, Miller is just getting lazy and banking in on his name to push the work as "art." There might be some precedent for it, though. Another Marvel/dark horse alumni I am good friends with has been playing around with this fine tip inks for the structure and the blunted sharpie for the shadows for the last 5+ years. He's been successful with it, though I wouldn't use it in a book that it didn't fit the style of story. My friend was also upset when I gave criticism of it, I know he's better than that and could stand with any artist in comics today.
The sane people who criticize Franks current art will ride the Jack Kirby train into the sunset. Frank's art looks like a fucked up version lf retro comic art, and I'm kinda all for it. I'm tired of realism.
I love Miller's style and I'm not a massive Kirby fangirl by any stretch of the imagination. I just feel like he went a little too styleised with that Wolverine, especially for a cover. He clearly has tons of technical skill, but I feel like he may have too much hubris to critique his own work properly.
This is so real. I hate the idea that good art has to be realistic. If an artist wants to try something new, that’s none of your business, and it expands the stage for other artists to come along and make new far more impressive works in their own unique style, rather than keeping to the cookie-cutter model of realism
What I think... is his new stuff is crap when compared to his old stuff. Although I do love his Sin City stuff. My greatest comic collecting regret is selling my original Wolverine mini series 20 years ago. 😢
Oh man, I feel that. Even though I don't flip through them much, I love knowing I still have all of my old collection intact. Never owned any Miller though. That would've been sweet!
Ugly and painful to look at. Would anyone be interested in this if not for his name attached to it? What if, in six months, he revealed his five-year-old niece made it? Would it still be genius?
Eh, I love his art style. It’s actually really inspiring, TDKSB has a “go tell the story you’d like to” vibe that I really dig. Some may see that as amateurish and it may be, but that’s part of why it’s inspiring.
It's not just his art, his writing has gone way down in quality as well. Around the time the art quality went down. So my money is on either a stroke he told no one about or he's abusing the hell outta some heavy drugs.
I read comics based on artwork I didn't like childish artwork when I was a kid don't like it now stop paying for people being lazy they did better art 60 years ago its supposed to get better not worse
The way I see it, Frank Miller was using a house style back in the day to be like the other, at that time current art, that were more mainstream and very popular. It wasn't until his subsequent crime and city Daredevil stories, eventually leading to Sin City, that got developed his own noir-like art style and really broaden. By the time he did The Dark Knight he went ahead and just did whatever he felt was right regardless of what anyone thought. He would still continue his art In such a manner to this very day.
Yes, this very much feels like just the next incarnation of his experimentation with art that he's been doing for decades now. All that said, I'm still not a fan of the Wolverine cover.
@@Michael_Bancroft yeah that's perfectly fine. I never liked his art for the dark night stuff. Too ugly and poorly inked. Great story but chunky n meaty( his Superman mainly). Though I did respect batmans design as bulky n loved girl robin.
Frank Miller doesn't need to prove himself. Even if he does something that looks crappy, he does it with the confidence of someone who reached Jack Kirby's status as draughtsman-storyteller 30 years ago.
I’m a pretty harsh critic of Miller’s worst xenophobic moments. But I loved his art back in the day and I find something refreshing about his current style. I’m not sure if it has something to do with physical limitations and health issues or it’s just an evolution. Either way, I’m glad he’s still working and that he’s in recovery from alcoholism and xenophobia.
I think that after sin city, he committed to going on his own direction with his art, especially with its more pronounced manga influence. I think that Miller's art is as stylistic and polarizing as the narratives he writes
Frank Miller has been trolling the fans for years to see how far he can push before people stop buying. It’s worked for me- I won’t pick up anything he does anymore.
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I saw a picture of him with Stan Lee from the 30th anniversary of DKR panel in 2016 and he looked older than Stan Lee. This guy has been dealing with health issues for at least 10 years. I’m just glad he is still alive and able to draw at all. I would like to see the B&W versions of those covers. I don’t think his art is done any favors by the garish coloring.
I actually think the colours really work on the Moon Knight and Thing covers, but the Wolverine unjust looks dull to me. The black and white is much better.
@@Michael_Bancroft I feel the same. I like the Moon Knight and The Thing. The Blade cover is ok, would like to see that one B&W. The wolverine cover IMHO is very strange. Not sure what he’s going for on that one.
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Here's the thing, he's been drawing just like this for over 20 years, so it wasn't his health.
I mean, he's probably just hsv trouble in his later years
People forget how important an inker is. Frank has always had a blocky style, he just went full blocky with sin city and never looked back. While he was at marvel he had some of the best inkers on his stuff like Klaus Janson and Joe Rubinstein.
I dunno. This kinda screams 300 and DK2
Janson only inked half of DKR, they fell out and he did the other half on his own...
Agreed. Rubinstein in particular had a knack for smoothing out Miller's overly sharp edges.
Rubinstein's inks are so important. Janson was fine.
An inker is very important but the inking is not the issue with Miller's new style. It's the style itself, an inker can only do so much.
Miller channeling his Picasso phase.
first thought on my mind when i saw it!
Aww I’ll hang it on the fridge buddy
Or maybe a t-shirt?
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Kind of reminds me of a dementia self portrait
Jesus loves you!
@@Abdiel_BZShaddap with your dead Jew nonsense.
This is what parents see when their kid is holding a comic book
This is his Picasso era!
He's 66 years old. His new stuff is not going to compare to stuff he did 40 years ago. It's just a fact.
Say that about Dale Keown. As Indy said, "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage."
@@arichutfles9550 Good point!
To be fair, he's chosen not to draw like he did 40 years ago for about 40 years.
Bruh, it's drawing. Age has nothing to do with it unless he's senile, which he is not. This isn't an athlete thing
Yeah because people just forget how to draw in their 60s...?
You clown 😆
people need to understand art styles will change and evolve with the artist; especially over fourty years.
That’s no excuse for shit art
@@simgarfufrom what I've read about online, he seemed to have had a near death brush with cancer around the time of 2014, so this may be why.
@@majortom5049 that’s a possibility. (Not doubting his life experience, merely saying that it may have affected his art)
People do understand that. Unfortunately most peoples tastes aren’t going to change and evolve along with the artist.
But Miller is devolving, not evolving
I heard someone say about the original turtles comics- “it’s off but in the best way possible” this has that same energy. This (like the turtles comics) have an outsider/underground feel that is attractive.
You sir are an amazing and talented artist, my work will never have the polish that yours does. When I see this it makes me feel like my raw, rough-edged style has a chance.
Thank you so much, Jack. Yeah, as brilliant as the old 80s Frank Miller was, I don't begrudge him at all for wanting to explore a grittier, simpler style, and to see how far he could take it. I don't care for the Wolverine cover, but some of the others look pretty great to me.
I don’t blame you on the Wolverine piece- I like the new style but yeah he could take that style and tighten it up a bit. Keep up the good work!
This is in no way close to the original tnmt the turtles were much more detailed and keeps you turning page this stuff looks about good enough to use as toilet paper
The Turtles was actually good art though. This is just sloppy
Yeah idk man. That worked (humans still looked a bit off in a bad way but acceptable knowing the experience and most of the effort went into the turtles and amusing themselves) but here, the wacky style defense doesn’t really work. It’s an experiment that failed
It doesn't look like that much of a departure from how he drew Ronin imho.
I was going to bring that up. I actually didn't even finish that book. The artwork was so unbearable. Im pretty sure I threw it in the garbage.
Hail 😅
@@caprice28nah bad opinion
He's old. Im just glad he is still able to hold a pencil and continue to produce work. Be thankful for that. Frank is a legend
He ain’t that old
@@thecomedian5933 As long as you're physically able, a learned skill does not deteriorate with age.
Be thankful? For what? I don't know the man personally and from what I DO know he's a POS, and I won't be thankful for bad art that makes no sense.
Has he put out anything good in like the last 20 years, though?
@@enotsnavdier6867 Of Course! There was Holy Terror in 2011. His Truely unhinged, ultra right wing, anti Muslim tale where "not Batman" stops terrorists with the power of racism! I think he's since walked back his views at the time, but fuck me if you haven't looked into that shit show.
Reminds me a lot of Jack Kirby when he was older
I prefer his earlier, more realistic looking art.
It is pretty brilliant. I only started to learn about him after he'd stopped drawing like that, so it came as a bit of a shock to me how technically good he was.
Hail 🤣
It's got a similar line quality of the dark knight but the style and figures are extremely cartoonish.
Not a great fan of it.
That's exactly it, his artwork is always compelling.
I don't hate the new stuff, but it feels like it's a completely different artist. It's like somewhere along the way Frank completely switched how he thought about drawing pages completely.
You like THIS ????? 😂😂😂😂
To me Frank Miller will always be a legend and by far the greatest American comic book artist and writer of all time. He did more than enough in his lifetime creatively to warrant kicking back and just creating what he wants. I totally get where you’re coming from if you do hate it. But I’ll always love him and what he does.
Love some classic Miller, but he doesn't begin to break the top 20 greatest artists/storytellers for comics of all time. Just me, though.
I agree with you 100 percent ..He is without a doubt one of the Goats of his time.....i give him a lot of respect.,SAULUTE MY FRIEND ❤
I used to love him and his work but after reading the comic book equivalent of the Necronomicon Ex Mortis known as Holy Terror I want stay the fuck away from him as much as humanly possible
@@serpentlord285 what is wrong with it?
@@FriezaDBZKing69I'm sorry but that's your opinion I'll listen to the industry vets who think he's one of the greatest comic book artists of ALL TIME. no way to even debate that brody. But opinions are like assholes bro
After a lifetime of work and real impact, whatever work he puts out now is dope as F#%&! and appreciated by me!
He started as a student and imitator of Neal Adams, and over decades has constantly changed, stylized, and experimented with the limits of how far recognizable ideas can be pushed. It doesn't work every time, but the willingness to push and experiment is a thing the American industry is heavily lacking right now and deserves commendation.
That first cover of the 4 issue 'Wolverine' miniseries is one of my favorites. Used to own all 4, I gotta get my collection back!
It has ventured into an area that feels like uncanny valley for cartoons
Bro I call pro artists out all the time. Especially because they're supposed to b pro. No excuse for lazy work. You were right to say no one would like twice at this if not fir his name in the cover. Great writer and artist, when he gives a damn .
I actually sort of like it.
Yeah, I really don't hate it, but I wouldn't say I like it either. I guess that means it's art?
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How does it feel to have such a shitty taste?
The other covers he has done in this set are all pretty cool. This Wolverine falls short. Not just because “we” want his 1984 style, it’s the composition and the face that are very jarring. I would love an issue or mini series of Moon Knight in that style though.
At least someone makes some sense
Glad to see that his art and writing remain consistent, in that they've both fallen off equally
Did he use the Creature from the Black Lagoon as reference for that Wolverine!?
Yep. The same way he used the Hunchback of Notre Dame as a reference for Lex Luthor in Dark Knight Strikes Again.
I love the Frank Miller style. And that’s all it is.
It’s kinda weird how people are comparing this to his work from 40 years ago. I don’t know if they are serious in their critique when not comparing it to more recent evolutions of his work.🤷♂️I personally think this new drawing makes DK2 appear more tolerable.
Because art is art. It doesn't matter when it was created, and it doesn't matter how old or disabled you are when making it. The art speaks for itself.
As someone pointed out about David Choe, artists tend to master their style or a few styles of art and then often revert to a simplistic or even childlike way of drawing.
Frazetta didn't. He started drawing with his LEFT hand after his stroke. If you're truly a master, there IS no decline.
Hail 😅😅
Love it. New and old. Everything this clip showed
A lot of the older style of Miller is dependent on a few other factors that aren’t around anymore, such as the use of an inker other than himself, and even more vital, his former partnership with his ex-wife as colorist. There were panels in Dark Knight Returns that were left blank or very sparsely realized and the image came out in the coloring stage.
I still think these new images are interesting but others have shown that the image can be changed completely with a different color style and I think that’s the main issue.
I'll say one thing about Frank Miller's art: it's expressive. It can complement certain tones very well.
His Blade and Spider-Man covers are good. When Frank Miller did Sin City he started drawing totally blocky which looks cool in black and white but I think makes it look weird when not carefully colored.
Frank Miller will never not be an inspiration to me. Having said that, I think he's just trolling now, which, at this age in his life, I'm totally fine with. 👍
I'm the goddamn batman 😂
He really phoned that one in.
I LOVE IT!! The line work, the forms and the coloring. It looks RAW!! 💥🧡
Looks like the stuff the comic book geek in 3rd grade would sit and draw. Shout out to you Ryan Wilson. I always wondered if you became an artist.
lol i was also in 3rd grade drawing fan marvel comics
I don’t hate his new style, I like stylised, but I fucking haaate that Wolverine
The style is definitely more grotesque.
The two qualities people care about is:
Is it successful in what it’s trying to do?
Do people want to see it?
Even if what he was trying to do is what he meant to do, people want to see cool and noir. Not simplified and brutish.
I’m reminded of Henri Matisse. Perhaps we should be grateful he can still produce any art at all.
I just think evolved his traditional comic art into something similar to modern comic art.
I think his job is to get people interested and get people talking and that's what he's done. If he gave us more of the same, I probably wouldn't have heard of this so he is doing his job
in this world.. if it wasnt miller but a new guy with a small hype train.. it might be more loved.
It looks like his Dark Knight series
Well Rob Leifeld is infamous for his art. But the guy does have a sense of humor.
Its not a style you see on very superhero comics, but I really like it.
That gonna be a no for me my guy
Seems to be the consensus. Just Wolverine, or all of it?
Hail 😮
If this was done by a new artist, everyone would think its just his artstyle and love it
Ik this is old, but seeing this now it just makes me think, as an artist, someone now comfortable enough to do something more their own stylized way, instead of something typically seen as more appropriate and professional
I didn't forget Dark Knight Strikes Again. I think he's been F'ing with us
The new stuff still pops, it's just more simplistic. There's still a charm to it
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Forgive me if it's not appropriate, but Frank probably had to do what artists like Todd McFarlane and more had to be starting out - accessible. Frank is someone for YEARS I couldn't wrap my head around why, oh why, people loved his work.
But his stories are compelling. And for that, to be able to have more creative control in how you portray your view of characters, that's sick! It's unconventional, to be sure, but still something admirable.
Anyone else immediately get Mignola vibes from Miller’s recent artwork shown in this?
Yeah a lot of the paintings have horns
I agree. Some great artists begin to simplify their style quite drastically as the get older (even simply due to health reasons), look at Hugo Pratt for instance. Negative critics are inevitable, but I like those covers, they still reveal Miller's competence and energy.
His modern stuff is fine, I really despise people taking cheap shots at someone's work just because it's not their cup of tea.
(1) Miller has been reducing comic forms to their most minimalistic for 30 years now. Getting to the essence of visual storyteling will be Miller's legacy. (2) Miller has been having fun not taking licensed properties too seriously for at least 20 years. Every time he draws a character he hasn't created keep in mind he's just having a goof for a pay check.
So it looks good then ? 🤔 I mean I’m told if everyone is talking about it , therefore it must be good right ? ?😆😆
What do your lying eyes tell you?
Hail 😂
He made it far enough in the industry where he can make the stuff HE wants to make and people will still buy it bc well, he’s Frank Miller.
i always like the quote of picasso on these kind of things ' it took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child' Art styles changes.
I think now has a more unique style than before (not saying that his previous art is bad it’s fkn amazing indeed) but now you can see it and say “oh yes this is from Miller” and looks cool
This would go hard as a prog album cover
He did a lot, he changed the world of comics. But now he is on a descending phase, also as writer, since years. Probably also his health state is getting worst, it's understandable. Anyway will be remembered as a master.
Artists get bored by the basic typical stuff, when you're an artist for long like Miller, you learn that the realistic stuff isn't that hard or compeling anymore, so you experiment, people will either like it or not, but I doubt he cares
It reminds me of Jack Kirby’s style I’m willing to bed he was aiming for that look
Compared to the old work, i agree it’s not as elegant. But then, it feels kind of right for Wolverine to feel this rough and bold.
20 years from now everyone will be doing a style similar to this. There’s a certain indie feel to this. It’s blocky jagged. Realism isn’t the height of work. It ain’t my favorite but it ain’t bad.
I'm a semi reluctant fan of late era Miller art. I agree with you that there is something working there, and it feels like if you put Kirby through a woodchipper, but I'm not sure that that is a bad thing. The blocky Miller work didn't start working for me until after I saw his illustrations in Cursed. Something about it spoke to me and has allowed me to enjoy these covers
In my personal opinion, I feel like this. New art style can actually fit with characters that don't show their faces.
I met Rubinstein, who did the inks on Wolverine 1-? And he said Millers pencils were always junk. He also said that Wolverines look wasn't set by Miller, but from Rubinstein taking cues from Eastwood and Nicholson.
Interesting... He didn't stick with that look for much longer anyway though, did he?
@Michael Bancroft outside of Miller, I think the original look has stuck with every artist that picked up the job, Miller is just getting lazy and banking in on his name to push the work as "art." There might be some precedent for it, though. Another Marvel/dark horse alumni I am good friends with has been playing around with this fine tip inks for the structure and the blunted sharpie for the shadows for the last 5+ years. He's been successful with it, though I wouldn't use it in a book that it didn't fit the style of story. My friend was also upset when I gave criticism of it, I know he's better than that and could stand with any artist in comics today.
The sane people who criticize Franks current art will ride the Jack Kirby train into the sunset. Frank's art looks like a fucked up version lf retro comic art, and I'm kinda all for it. I'm tired of realism.
I love Miller's style and I'm not a massive Kirby fangirl by any stretch of the imagination. I just feel like he went a little too styleised with that Wolverine, especially for a cover. He clearly has tons of technical skill, but I feel like he may have too much hubris to critique his own work properly.
This is so real. I hate the idea that good art has to be realistic. If an artist wants to try something new, that’s none of your business, and it expands the stage for other artists to come along and make new far more impressive works in their own unique style, rather than keeping to the cookie-cutter model of realism
Also, artists can change their style from time to time - these later images are all pretty consistent, so it may be a style choice.
Damn even the people who did the inking and color couldn’t even figure out to save Franks art
What I think... is his new stuff is crap when compared to his old stuff. Although I do love his Sin City stuff. My greatest comic collecting regret is selling my original Wolverine mini series 20 years ago. 😢
Oh man, I feel that. Even though I don't flip through them much, I love knowing I still have all of my old collection intact. Never owned any Miller though. That would've been sweet!
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Hail
It's time to ask him to draw a clock with hands and numbers showing what time it is.
I don't think it looks bad, just more stylized.
It's awesome if a middle school kid in the late 80s drew it and showed it to me.
i like it. its DIY aesthetic is a nice change.
Franks conquered everything else, this backnto basics is cool.
I like how stylized it is , it’s a breath of fresh air for me kind of like an old shadowhawk comic I had
Ugly and painful to look at. Would anyone be interested in this if not for his name attached to it? What if, in six months, he revealed his five-year-old niece made it? Would it still be genius?
Marvel's standards have dropped pretty low over the last decade, but even I am guessing they wouldn't have printed that cover without FM signed on it.
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I really actually like abstract nature of the new designs
Eh, I love his art style. It’s actually really inspiring, TDKSB has a “go tell the story you’d like to” vibe that I really dig. Some may see that as amateurish and it may be, but that’s part of why it’s inspiring.
Folks. If your name isn’t Frank Miller, and you don’t hold the bar, shut up when ya try to jump as high. 🤘🏻
It's not just his art, his writing has gone way down in quality as well. Around the time the art quality went down.
So my money is on either a stroke he told no one about or he's abusing the hell outta some heavy drugs.
I've got no idea, but he abandoned the traditional style 30+ years ago. He's said when it comes to art, he just wants to have fun with it.
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I read comics based on artwork I didn't like childish artwork when I was a kid don't like it now stop paying for people being lazy they did better art 60 years ago its supposed to get better not worse
Fair enough
Yep, he's like a Quarterback that lost his arm but he keeps playing and ends up losing all of his fans.
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That Batman is honestly great tough
The way I see it, Frank Miller was using a house style back in the day to be like the other, at that time current art, that were more mainstream and very popular. It wasn't until his subsequent crime and city Daredevil stories, eventually leading to Sin City, that got developed his own noir-like art style and really broaden. By the time he did The Dark Knight he went ahead and just did whatever he felt was right regardless of what anyone thought. He would still continue his art In such a manner to this very day.
Yes, this very much feels like just the next incarnation of his experimentation with art that he's been doing for decades now. All that said, I'm still not a fan of the Wolverine cover.
@@Michael_Bancroft yeah that's perfectly fine. I never liked his art for the dark night stuff. Too ugly and poorly inked. Great story but chunky n meaty( his Superman mainly). Though I did respect batmans design as bulky n loved girl robin.
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Frank Miller doesn't need to prove himself. Even if he does something that looks crappy, he does it with the confidence of someone who reached Jack Kirby's status as draughtsman-storyteller 30 years ago.
I think he’s channeling the current accepted garbage and deciding to do the bare minimum to get Paid I’ll pass on this art style
I’m a pretty harsh critic of Miller’s worst xenophobic moments. But I loved his art back in the day and I find something refreshing about his current style. I’m not sure if it has something to do with physical limitations and health issues or it’s just an evolution. Either way, I’m glad he’s still working and that he’s in recovery from alcoholism and xenophobia.
I’d like to see his marvel comics. Get faithfully adapted.
This style he is using really reminds me a bit of R. Grampas book Mesmo delivery
Its like a rougher more angular Mike Mignolla piece
I think that after sin city, he committed to going on his own direction with his art, especially with its more pronounced manga influence. I think that Miller's art is as stylistic and polarizing as the narratives he writes
There’s only one word that can describe this comic:
Goddamn
Frank Miller has been trolling the fans for years to see how far he can push before people stop buying.
It’s worked for me- I won’t pick up anything he does anymore.
He used a Sin City style, artistically its awesome... knowing Frank he started with a Black background
I bought it just for the cover. I like it.
Legendary he can draw any style he wants STYLES MILLER THANK U
Seems more retro style to me. I somehow like it.