Why We Never Disbud Our Goats
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- It is just about time for our herd to give birth to lots of babies here on the farm! With that comes the decision to either disbud the kids or leave them to grow horns naturally; a choice we have already made for our herd here. Disbudding is the practice of burning off the horn "buds" within the first 2 weeks of a goat kids life. I will discuss the pros and cons of this practice and also talk about whether you can keep goats with horns in the same area as goats without safely.
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I agree 100%! No goats born on our property are ever disbudded either. One thing to add about horns being a useful tool for the goats, is that they use them to scratch itches they cannot get to any other way on their backs. One of our goats who is disbudded still tries to scratch. It is so sad to watch her try and be unable to. So we scratch her back for her when we can.
My doeling.who was disbudded by the previous owner, scratches herself on her mum's horns 😂 your right it's just so sad, I will never disbud any goats born on my farm ❤️
You have a great interaction with all of your animals. They all are comfortable around you and happy to see you!
Well.. When we finally get to a farm. I WILL NOT DIS-BUD. Thank you for all this very important information.
In farming and gardening especially there is a lot of stuff that you "have to" do. But a lot of it is not necessary or even not beneficial in my experience.
I’m new to all of this but a lot of these seem to be things that would absolutely be helpful with a huge commercialized herd with 100+ goats and minimal actual care
Thank you SO much. I am researching and want to get goats, and thought disbudding was a requirement, but it makes me sick, and I don't want to do it. It's such a relief. People say the horns get caught in fences, but I think they have the wrong fence if that is the case. You're awesome. Thank you!!!!!
my neighbors goats were disbudded and i've rescued them from the fence between our properties many times. Horns or not goats can be dumb sometimes and get their head stuck in the fence because they want one specific leaf that is on the other side of the fence. They turn their heads to the side to get it in the fence and cannot figure out that they need to turn their head to the side to get it back out.
Right fence, wrong fence... some goats are just determined to get stuck. My neighbors put garden fencing up so no way the goats could stick their heads in the fence, they started sticking their heads under the fence and getting stuck.
I suggested electric fencing 6 inches from the ground to teach the goats to stay away before they get caught and killed by coyotes. My dogs cannot protect them through the fence. i mean their heads are safe, but the rest of their bodies being stuck they are an easy meal for the coyotes.
I two have cats. Yes, they scratch up my furniture and the end of my bed has seen the wrath of their claws. I've been told lots of times I should declaw them so to save my furniture. I tell them I'm not declawing the cat's because of they're scratching the furniture. They're just doing their natural thing I'll work around it. Same thing with goats they have horns for a reason you don't like the horns; don't have goats.
Exactly. And the even more frustrating part is there are polled (naturally hornless) goats, and being polled is the dominant trait if they are going to be bred. It's entirely selfish and unnecessary.
I have a Saanen and a British Alpine buck, 3 large does, 6 cross Saanen/British Alpine does and doelings and 5 wethers, all with horns. I can walk in amongst the herd (bucks kept seperate) and only have to worry about my feet being stepped on. I don't believe in dehorning and truly love the look of their horns, especially my bucks (which are just over 24" long).
Great video! I've always wondered why that was necessary, especially when you see the ones that go wrong. My sister has an aggressive goat and his horns help you hold him back from hitting you. Thanks for sharing.
They do make great handles
I agree 100 percent with everything presented in this video concerning disbudded goats....I prefer leaving them in they're natural state. I thought I was losing my mind discussing this with these breeders, and show people. THANKS!
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I agree completely. The reasons for dis-budding have never been valid enough to justify the process or the loss of and extremely important organ of the goat. Leaving horns and dealing with them rationally makes the most sense and pays respect to the animal.
Thank you so much for this information. I was contemplating disbudding. I did not want to do it. You made me feel better about not moving forward with it!
I'm sooo happy I saw this video. Thank you for your insight, it seems almost every video I see , people disbud their goats. I dont think I could do it, because first if all it's so sad, and cruel. Were building our goat barn right now and I'm trying to decide before we buy our girls if I want to disbud our future babies. Thank you, thank you.
I'm getting a couple of doelings in the spring and I've been debating whether I want to disbud or not. For me I'm thinking I'm going to keep my goats horned. I'm just concerned I'll have a hard time selling future kids if they're not disbudded.
@@zoebossie1653 yes that's my concern. All my goats i have now ate disbursed. I have a doe due next month and I'm still under
@@zoebossie1653 Yes, I bought my two does from a breeder and the breeder's goats are registered & they are show goats(The breeder shows, not me). I told her I honestly didn't want to disbud our kids after they are born and she said if I don't disbud the goats they will be worthless(speaking of selling prices) and only worth meat price if they are sold with horns. It's sad because #1 I've seen them being disbudded and I think it's horrible(I don't think I can do it). #2 I want my homestead to be organic and that includes my animals being how God created them to be, but seems the market disagrees. She said if they are not disbudded they will probably be worth $150 but if you disbud them the same goat can go for $300-$400. So I still have to decide what I'm going to do because I can't keep every kid that is born on our homestead. I mean I'm not in it for the money but my concern is that nobody will want to by my kids with horns and then I'll be stuck with all the kids our Does have 🤔. The struggle is real 😔🙏🏻
I don't have a problem with people who decide horned goats are for them, but after raising a few with horns and having one kill two of its pen mates (in a huge pasture / pen) we have decided horns are not for this farm. It's a matter of choice and what will work for each individual. I personally think it's safer for our family to keep dehorned animals in our situation.
Totally understand, there are different circumstances and breeds and it is up to your situation and farm to make that decision
Exactly my doe had its neck broke when she got caught under the bucks horns.
@@pladner6053 , I had to watch as one of my favorite bucks was hammered in the side repeatedly until I could get into the paddock to pull him to safety. All I could think of was it was my fault for keeping a horned animal. Then he went after my other buck who was way bigger and had a massive set of horns. Took him out, too. No more for me. I learned my lesson the hard way.
Me too. I was all about keeping the horns on them until that happened. She was my favorite doe too.
@@SSLFamilyDad Surprised you didn't quote the Bible verse at the end card about Abraham spotting the ram caught in a thicket by its horns (Gen 22:13). I guess that was a male Sheep though.
And is the cold / snow stunting the wheat germination?
So sorry to hear about your accident and injury. Hoping you feel better as soon as possible. Everyone loves you, stay strong Sir. You are not alone.
Thank you for this info! I have seen "disbudding" as a human convenience and not necessarily for the goats benefit but just didn't have the right words to describe why. You have provided the clear and concise words I was looking for.
Praying for you Todd!!! Get better soon. Wish we lived closer so our family could help out with your chores. Prayers of healing to you!!
What happened to Todd.
for many goats their horns help disipate heat, if yoy debud they have nerve issues and cause more damage always rubbing their heads against things because of nerve issues
I have had both horned and disbudded goats and I noticed they both rub their heads on me when I would enter the pasture. I did some research and found that goats have scent glands on the top of their heads near where their horns are (or would be). They sometimes will rub their heads on people and objects for the same reason cats rub their faces on us. They are marking the objects as territory and their people as family.
I will say that it is possible that some goats who are disbudded suffer nerve damage like you suggest. The deaths mentioned in the video usually happen when the handler holds the iron on the kid’s head for 5 seconds too long. Non fatal brain damage can also happen if you hold the iron on there for less time. The reason is you are essentially “cooking” the brain just like an extremely high fever would do. This is why I believe it’s crucial to know EXACTLY what you are doing if you do the procedure. I’d recommend watching a veterinarian do it many many times first. I have also had both bottle fed and non bottle fed goats. The bottle fed were of course dairy breeds and the non bottle fed were Pygmies. The non bottle fed goats never rubbed their heads on me affectionately. They did however butt my shins to get me to drop the bucket with feed in it on a daily basis. I personally prefer goats either bottle fed or raised with close contact with humans as opposed to being raised exclusively by their mothers with no close human contact for this very reason.
🤦♀️ they rub their heads with horns or without because they gave large scent glands in the top of their head. It has nothing to do with horns or no horns
This was so helpful! Adopting some wethers this spring, and I wasn’t feeling confident in my request to keep their horns. Thank you for the reassurance and education!
I'm so unsure on horned vs disbudded I see and understand both sides. Horns can be far more dangerous in a safety aspect
We use to have a herd of Dairy goats. We did burn horns for a couple of reasons. Just getting the goats in the stanchions for milking was a battle with horns. Keep in mind we were milking over 200 goats twice a day. Also we did have a couple instances where 1 goat would stab another with their horns. Just wanted to show that their are reasons to dehorn.
couldn't you just shave the horns down a little though, whenever you have the hoofs taken care of? I've heard some people say that the horns make them eaiser to manage because you can grab them by the horns
I can see that with dwarf breeds it isn’t necessary but I’ve had a full sized buck that could really hurt you with his horns because yes they definitely can use them against you. I would use the banding method on bucks and let the girls keep theirs. My goats get jealous of each other and sometimes I get caught in the crossfire. Its just one less thing I have to worry about when I’m handling them on a daily basis. A horn to the face can seriously hurt and things can happen even if you’re being careful. I’m thinking it would probably affect sales if ppl raise them to sell.
Thank you for being considerate of your animals. Something as cruel and painful as burning holes in a baby goats head should at least have a better reason than simply human convenience
Exactly. I can't believe people do this
@@Sblue23 Yes, and the way its always framed as "better for the goat"... it surely isn't. Horns help keep them cool by dispersing heat, and they are very important for their normal social interaction. I feel sorry for dehorned goats. We have 3 large breed goats with horns, they never give us any issues and they look awesome
They are so friendly. I always imagined goats being more shy.
I really enjoyed you petting your goats. ♥️
Well, I fell down the rabbit hole at UA-cam and FB and found you . We're in the same area code, and believers too, so I have been looking around and see there is a need for prayer. I'm on it and will be watching for updates. May God bless you all.
Thank you! Doing better today but going to take awhile before I am back to working
I am so proud of this video and your knowledge. Finally someone with brains 👏
I am new to owning goats and one of the NGs that we purchased was pregnant. I too thought disbudding was “safer” for the goats overall and initially wanted to disbud the kid, but after watching the disbudding process, I couldn’t bare to torture the poor kid like that. So our little doe is now 2 months old and her little horns are growing naturally and I’m happy we didn’t go the disbudding route. Thank you for this video. I feel like I did the right thing. 🙂
We had the same problem with our ND Buck's horns. The breeder tried to burn off horns when he was very young and they grew anyway and started to grow into his skull so we had to have a vet put him under and remove his horns again. Now we have Boer goats and don't de-horn the goats. Our buck has huge horns which sometimes get in the way but we sometimes use them as handles to control him.
Horns are part of a goats heating and cooling system. Should never be removed.
What about polled goats?
@@clydegreene1127 👍
To Molly D.
To each his own, kinda like circumcision imo.
@@clydegreene1127 I was wondering that I definitely have noticed my polled goats are a lot more uncomfortable then my horned goats
It’s electrocautery. Larger goats get their heads stuck in fences repeatedly, getting them out is a pain. Yes goats can be aggressive. I’ve had personal experience with such. The child was older. You have a small breed, no problem. But what you have seen is not true of all breeds. We had proper fencing was still a problem. You just like the horns, you don’t like the removal process I get that. Until you’ve raised a larger breed you have no idea what a pain they can be. You can train a goat to collars. I love the milk goats many are naturally polled and big enough to prevent them from getting stuck in a fence.
I have a large breed with no problems. If a animal in its natural state is a danger for someone then that isn’t the animal for you. It isn’t necessary to alter.
They use their Horns for scratching hard to reach itches too, lol
sorry to hear about your accident! hope you get better soon!
I’ve never even given thought to the horns. I assumed they had them or they didn’t. Holy cow I didn’t know people did this on purpose! Yes. I’ve heard of it, but thought there must be a good reason for it and it would be painless. Not so, eh? Thanks for the education!
Absolutely agree! I have 2 does with scurs, 2 who have been disbudded and my buck who is disbudded all from previous owners, and 3 does with natural horns, none have had any problems with each other, or fencing, or hay feeders. I did have a fox come snooping around when the doelings were very young, and the does with horns and scurs stood infeont of the kids and disbudded does as if to protect them, because they couldn't protect themselves.
I am so annoyed that I feel pressured to do something that is not good for my goats, out of fear to not be able to sell babies... I still won't do it though. Also I find it appalling that they can't be shown without being disbudded! They're just beautiful with natural horns ❤️ I'm glad I found your channel ☺️
Thank you , thank you I thought I had to but the thought of hurting them was too much to bare. Bless you sir❤️
I love your common sense attitude & agree! As to the comments below that some of them had aggressive animals with horns that killed others...it's not the horns that did, it it's the aggressive animal that needed to be culled or put into a different environment before killing the others or after. The same thought should be for animals with fangs, claws, tusks, bulk of pure size ...having been chased by cattle, bucked off, and stomped on by horses...do you remove their hoofs or claws or fangs? Nope. But if you want to sell your goat kids to 4H show people you have to dehorn or offer a vet to remove the purchased kid. I wish the show circuit would offer horned category & it would solve everything.
Glad I found this vid. I was just off reading some breed classifications and seeing that horns are "undesirable".. And I thought, says who? I like them.. Goats seem to like them. That's a win win. I'm just going to assume the people who write these rules are not fun at parties.
My strategy when it comes to animals, is they have their body parts for a reason, goats have their horns for a reason, Chickens have their spurs for a reason, and cats have their claws for a reason, and you shouldn’t take them away.
We very recently started raising dairy goats. We purchased 2 does in milk, which came with their combined 5 new bucklings. All from the same herd, and all with horns. We also purchased a disbudded doeling and a polled buck. The first time I tried to catch one of the horned does to take her to the milk stand, she hooked me under the jaw with one of her horns. I feel very fortunate that she didn’t use her full force, and I only came away with some bad bruising instead of a major injury. Several of the bucklings (6 weeks old or less and super friendly) are constantly hooking me wherever they can get their horns to hook on. Right now, while they and their horns are little, it’s more uncomfortable than painful, but I expect that will change. The second doe with horns is very aggressively chasing the new, disbudded doeling, and trying to hook/ram her with her horns, and in that way she has prevented the doeling from getting food. She also chases her around the pasture trying to hook/ram her. It’s a dangerous situation. I’ll be de-horning those does with castration bands asap, and buying one of those burning tools to disbud future babies. I’m sure there are plenty of people with different situations than mine, where it would be just fine to have goats with horns. For me, it’s too dangerous to have horned goats. (My horned sheep have been fantastic though, so they get to keep theirs!)
What breed of goats and sheep?
My ND doe got her neck broke by getting caught under the bucks horns. Because of that and the fact that they were constantly getting caught in the fence, I will only get disbudded goats when I do get back into goats.
My sister had goats with horns. One of the goats got it's eye poked out while butting heads. It seems like there could be a bumper you could attach to each horn that would allow cooling the brain and also prevent injuries. Best wishes...
Bob Weglin -like smaller pieces of pool noodles or pipe insulation?
@@TrickleCreekFarm Great idea
Well i have never thought about raising goats. However great information if I ever do. I don't think one should take away from how God design them to be.
So you would never cut a stud that’s mean or a cat that sprays???
Just saw another video with this one family and the girl was holding one of the younger goats and the woman filming mentioned that she had been de-budded. Didn’t mention why. I didn’t even know people even did that, especially knowing how it’s done. And the pain the goat must feel. Would never remove their horns. Glad I found this video! Gives insight on it.
I was planning on making an appointment with the vet to get my two doelings horns removed... Not burned. But this video has changed my thoughts. Thanks for sharing.
This was really helpful for me. I have been trying to figure out why people disbud their goats and I didn’t know if I had to or not. I feel that animals develop the way they do for a reason, and none of the goats I get will be disbudded if I can control it.
In the UK it has to be done by a vet with the goat under sedation and with a local anaesthetic. It surprised me when I found out anybody can do it over there.
Fantastic video and very thorough explanation. I wholeheartedly agree. Funny you mentioned not leaving your 2-year-old in with goats. I accidentally did this when I was building fencing, my two toddlers started running around in the goat house. The goats simply shuffled out and left the two toddlers alone in there. These are 130+ lb Spanish goats with big horns and they are just the sweetest. I agree with you that just because a goat has horns doesn't mean it will headbutt people. That's more of a behavioral thing and even if a goat is dehorned, they'll still headbutt a person if they want to only then the human won't have anything to hold onto to stop them. I have a bunch of bucks together and they do playfight and having the horns is a way for them to safely do that imo. It's obvious to me that the horns do add quality of life to the goats.
I have an opinion of... they should have those horns. We should never take away a natural thing from animals just because they are farm animals. I don’t own goats and never have but it just seems wrong. I assume that the heat has to hurt them?! Thanks for sharing SSL Dad 😎
My niece has a Male goat with a similar issue. His grows so wonky she has trim the end regularly or the horn grows into his eye.
Very good I hate when I see goats being D horned.. They need their horns . their hornsd help to cool them in the heat and also keep them warm and the cold. They also need them for self defense. If you raise a go properly and respect their horns no need for concern. I have 8 Alpine goats with huge horns And have never had a problem.. So glad to see that you are treating them with respect and care!!😊
We used to do the same thing with calves (disbudding). That is crazy that all show goats have to be dehorned!
It's the dairy show circuit not the meat, that requires dehorning :(
Some are polled it’s a genetic mutation so they don’t grow horns
Show goats need to be de horned casue if a goat gets loose it could hurt the other goats and makes it a little easier to handle them for show but if I didn’t show and weren’t in 4-H I wouldn’t de bud them I also have them around little kids so that’s another reason I de bud them
The same issue arises with shoeing horses! People say you /have/ to shoe them - but, in reality - most horses don't need shoes!
I agree with that. It depends on their environment and where you ride them I suppose
Thank you for this information on keeping horns on goats!!!
Very informative -pros and cons.
I have decided to not disbud or basically to keep the animals as nature “intended “ - not for the convenience of humans.
I really like and appreciate your channel. It's great to learn from you, or even just to see a different way. Thankyou for all of your videos, and especially your Sunday worship.
Thank you for the wonderful homesteading video about goats, very informative. It looks really painful to de bud the goats. And if there are perks to keeping the horns that why should we. God bless you and your homestead thank you for the information.
Thanks to this video I managed to convince my parents to not attempt to dehorn or disbud our goats. Thanks a lot!
This was so helpful. Thank you
I wonder if they make fun of each others horns or lack there of
Correct to show a purebred dairy goat they have to be hornless, meat goats have to be shown with horns. I hated disbudding and had to stop when arthritis got bad in my hands and though occasionally having to run out and rescue a goats leg that got stuck between someones horns, and be careful I get a lot of bruises on my legs they get excited at feeding time, and a stuck head in a cattle panel I still prefer them to have them
Thank you for posting this. Whether or not to disbud should be left up to the individual owner.
Thank you for this, really didn't want to de horn.
Keep a radio around for them and soft jazz apparently it reduces stress for goats
So glad some people don’t dehorn! I wish they would let people in cities have goats with horns. ❤
The process with the iron is more stressful on the person doing it. The kids are right as rain right after disbudding. Chemically removing the buds is far more stressful for all involved.
Having said that, the only reason we do it is because goats get stuck in the fence and the more dominant ones will ram them while their stuck and they get injured and/or die.
I think I will only have my goat kids disbuded by a vet when they are going sold to another person but if I am keeping them to eat or breed from they will keep their horns.
That's my thought too. They're near impossible to sell with horns. I like the horns though!
We have had 0retty good luck selling this breed with horns but you are right, they can sell for more without horns
I beleive it has to do with the part of the country you are in California most small herds are disbudded as they are pets or for show. Many homesteaders in Tx. Ok. Keep horns. I respect people's choice. It only irritates me when someone writes (usually pro horn) that its nonnegotiable.
Of course I feel that way about spay/neutering dogs n cats esp in the city.
Says Leslie the one who tries to see both sides.
Also I wouldn't pay a vet to disbud, they often have less experience and its expensive. OTOH I didn't vet the person that did mine and they have scurs of sorts. Cant see em but they are there.
I am curious whether it’s harder to sell horned goats?
Helpful video. Had been told debudding is necessary. Glad to hear this approach is possible as well.
Enjoyed your presentation and your position on horns. I had my 2 disbudded so most likely will cont that. May or may not show. I agree why do show goats require disbudding? Heck I would give extra points for a "good rack" tho I think "rack" is for deer. I definitely have seen some amazing goat/ram etc horns such as on National Geo. When I made the decision I considered I live in an area with fairly temperate summers.
A very informative and interesting video today! Thank you
Very informative video, than ks for sharing.
Thank you for this advocacy!
Personally I will probably still get my goats disbudded when I get them, but its really nice to know some of the things that may happen if you aren't careful, I've just seen too many goats hung up in their fences to risk my own... Definitely would pay a pro to disbud for me, although breeding polled animals is my goal to avoid horns if possible.
If you have someone disbud your goats, make sure you see a good sampling of his work. Just like a tattoo artist, you need to be sure they know what they're doing. We have 2 wethers who were poorly disbudded and they both grow small scurs. I was new to goats 5 years ago and didn't know what the man was doing wrong.
#1 - Males should be disbudded between 5 & 8 days.
#2 - Males have V shaped horns, not round like females.
MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Never leave the iron on for more than 10 seconds. Brain damage and/or death may ensue.
I am not morally opposed to disbudding, but we will probably never have it done, again. Not really any need to for us. Besides, have you seen some of the AWESOME horns out there? Also, requiring disbudding to show is just plain dumb.
(Sorry so long-winded.)
yea, I was planning on having someone who either breeds goats in my area or a vet do it because I dont think I'm strong enough physically plus I'm inexperienced (last time i helped disbud was near a decade ago at summer camp). I heard you burn a triangle on bucklings heads because of those horns being much wider than the girls'. There are definitely some awesome horns out there, and I like them, but I dont want accidents or risks with play fighting. I'll probably have horned goats eventually when I'm more experienced with their behavior tho, and I agree that disbudding for show is dumb, its like saying no show chickens should have spurs or something.
I love that let the goats figure things out among themselves, and that you understand that a goat are gonna act like a goat. They're gonna headbutt, that's just what they do. It's sad that shows don't allow natural goats to participate...
Though they are some countries in which dehorning/disbudding is mandatory(just like they're countries where that is illegal) and for those I recently learning that caustic paste is an efficient disbudding method that doesn't seem as dangerous or traumatizing(for both goat and human) as the hot iron, or any other method tbh.
when we had goats we took them to the vets and did it as painlessly as possible, kinda like circumcision or docking the tail of a dog , they don't remember it.
Thanks for making this video, all of our goats look like nature intended, and have the ability to regulate their body temperature also. Disbudding is cruel.
Why not use dehorning paste. No burning. Just cover the bud with the paste and done. I used it on calves with great success.
I offer it as an option for people who want to buy goats for 4H, because they have to be disbudded to be shown. My first two came disbudded and they are bred to keep them in milk. I see both sides to the argument - seen a goat hung up in a fence on its horns and killed, seen some awful disbudding jobs too. I think it all has to do with what you can manage in your herd.
had goats (3-5 does and a buck + kids each year) for almost 20 yrs and never had goat on goat horn injury... very occasional horn trapped in fence incident... once a year? and I once filed a sharp end of a goat horn that I noticed had been left after that end had splintered slightly. Do people still disbud? ...Not here in Normandy... perhaps they never have. Goats without horns - men without hands... disbudding seems a perverse habit to me. I've never had an issue with an 'aggressive' goat... perhaps if the animal has become frustrated? or been mis-treat? My neighbours old buck was a handful ,,, but had had a hard life. I'm the boss of my goats.... no issue - would be dangerous not to be. Thanks for posting and questioning the habit...
So glad we are not the only ones who don't do it.
This was very helpful thank you
Thank you so much for this video!
Thank you for sharing this!!! I wish there was a required class, taught by you, before anyone can call a goat a family member.... Unfortunately, here in Colorado Springs, that is not the case. Anyone in city limits can own two, with disbudding and sterilization being the requirements. But, with no guarantee on the success of the disbud- here I am with my 7 year old boy who has grown pretty thick scurs, and being forced by the court system to dehorn, or spend 198 days in jail!! I am hoping someone like you, or any of your followers can please give me any advice. I would do anything for my boy- even jail- but I will not put him through the pain and agony he endured ALREADY! Again, I love your videos, keep em coming!
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I never dehorn our goats. Even my Saanen . Which means I cannot show her . Oh well. Make sure your vet does it if you decide to do so. Also band the bucks at same time
I had a horrible buck that would go out of his way to go after people. It's great that yours never have. But the one i had ended up having to be put down for everyone's safety. He ripped fences up with his horns to go after neighbors on their own property, he attacked animal control when a neighbor complained that i put him on a thick chain while i was trying to create a pen he wouldn't be able to get out of. The animal control officer suggested and offered to put him down right then and there (out of anger not said in a nice way). He was too aggressive and the local large animal vet said we'd need to pay to have him tranquilized for him to even evaluate if he could dehorn him. When asking about that i was told i'd have to sign they aren't at fault if they use too much and he dies (tranquilizers). Which would make it so his meat couldn't be used if he didn't make it through.
The hot iron isn't the only way to disbud a goat. You don't have to disbud unless your children are planning to do 4h or FFA. you cannot show a dairy goat that hasn't been disbudded. It's still the regulation.
I am not for or against disbudding. Everyone should do what is right for their own farm based off the specific animals they have.
I just got two new goats. I searched out polled or disbudded goats. If we keep their offspring they will likely be left natural. But goats being born and raised here is far different from purchasing nearly adult/adult goats. I have no control over how they were raised before i bought them, people can say all the right things, and turn out that the goat was aggressive or played with roughly. I learned that with that previous buck. I found out after complaining in a local farming group that the person i purchased from was known for selling aggressive goats :( I wont be purchasing from him again.
These current goats so far seem super friendly. Only time will tell on the little buckling as he's a bottle baby and has already been trying to headbutt me. We're taking steps to prevent that from happening and hoping to break him from headbutting in just a few days time by penning him up separate from us humans for a bit just reaching in to pet, picking him up to pet. That way he doesn't get the opportunity to headbutt us.
I have livestock guardians (obviously by my name on here) so i don't worry about goats protecting themselves. I don't think that goats should be put in a situation to have to defend themselves.
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Interesting video! I'd like to keep a herd of goats in the future but will look for polled ones. I do not live in a rural area and a horned goat would get into more trouble than is worth here.
Great video!
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Disbudding should be done by a licensed veterinarian with a nerve block and sedation on board at less then a week of age. This is how I was trained during my veterinary education and is how we do it in my profession. How you describe it happening is unethical and I sincerely hope the general population does not come away thinking that veterinarians disbud goats this way. It can be safe and effective when done by a professional.
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I’m ok with horns but if that animal becomes over aggressive/mean , it becomes dinner .
I keep buffaloes, they are like huge dogs. They have different personalities, my favourite buffalo loves me, my family, my helping hands altogether 6 people, but she hates practically everyone else and is very agressive towards them. I have a board on my gate warning people from buffaloes so I think that's better then right away eating them. Buffaloes are extremely rare in western hemisphere anyway.
@@Jj-gi2uv yes, the riverine buffalo to be specific.
@@elhombredeoro955 i dont think he means they become dinner right away. Its normal for animals to be friendly with the people they are constantly around and aggressive with strangers or people they just dont like. But i think he means that if a buck is aggressive altogether even with his carers, it becomes dangerous, difficult and almost impossible to work with and around them. Or if they are aggressive with other animals constantly it becomes dangerous for them as well.
@@elhombredeoro955 my buck has some large beautiful horns he uses to scratch himself, defend, and impress the ladies with. He loves me and i have almost no issues working with him except for the accidental bump here and there. As long as i just watch out and keep my distance when hes trying to feed etc. But when it comes to my husband, he hates my husband.lol he likes to challenge him and has butted him a few times. My poor husband no longer bothers with him and will just take care of the the other animals. So, no dinner for us. However, i do beli
That’s exactly what I mean on my comment, they can hurt you with them when they’re aggressive.
We'll be disbudding ours. I've got several younger children who enjoy helping feed the goats and hugging them. Not going to risk them accidentally losing an eye, getting their faces bruised, or an accidental goring. Keeping my human children safe is more important to me than a minute or two of pain to a goat that will immediately forget about the incident.
Side note. I don't have much experience with goats, but of the experience I do have, their horns aren't even sharp. They have blunt ends. While they could definitely stab you if they hit at the right angle, it's not very likely they would hit you at that angle considering the position they put their head in when butting. And they surely won't be able to scratch you.
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De horning is cutting them off after and they grow back. Disbudding is when you burn the area which the horns are gonna come up and they arent suppose to grow back. I agree pros and cons on each situation but de horning isnt the same as disbudding they arent interchangeable. Not picking or anything just saying in case anyone got confused since it is also a thing. I had bad experiences with horned goats, I managed but I have a 10 year old who wants to go out there with them when we had them. Also my herd queen was super jealous. She didmt just knock the others around she really rammed them hard. She surprised me that dhe never drew blood. She bonked my poor preggo goat super hard too. It really depends on your herd queen not all of them know when to lay off lol. Mine had no filter. And Im not squeemish about that stuff. I let my dogs sort their issues pack style too within reason a nip or growl etc here and there. Knocking each other over and pinning in a real fight I know the difference between within reason and really wanting that animal dead. My herd queen hated my bottle baby Dawn and when she got big enough to be with everyone with another doeling her age Olivia wanted to kill her. Had to seperate her. Issues happened listeriosis down the road long sad story and we lost Olivia. Jealous and dangerous yes but she was my buddy none the less and she will be missed, just not by the other goats. Her sister Philo understood within reason. After the sadness of losing Olivia I gave them to my friends where my goats were staying since they were looking for goats anyway and they were already there. They are doing great now. Philo is herd queen and Dawn and Avery listen well enough once in a while she bonks them but nothing like Olivia did shed railroad them into the walls of the stalls and she even broke one of the boards once.
I can have tiny goats here so that would be my goal. Smaller goats (we had two 150lbs alpines, Philo and Olivia. Dawn is mixed with oberhasli and alpine and saanan. Avery is a lamancha, none of them mini) so nigerian dwarves and no horns. When my goats played with my friends disbudded goats they got along fine though and her goat even stood up to mine just fine.
I will be seeking someone out who knows what they are doing though. I dont want them to have the misery of those horns that can grow in an uncomfortable formation that can potentially hurt them worse and need dehorning (actually sawing it off multiple times as it grows back). I also dont want the potential trouble of goats actually stabbing anyone or each other in case I get another jealous goat somehow. There are many benefits to them keeping their horns but when I do get into goats again Im gonna have to look at our situation, not a lot of land so small, I want creamier milk my alpines milk wasnt bad just a bit saltier so better milk fat, easier to handle if needing to be loaded (try loading a 150lbs goat in a truck.... with horns, been there done that no thank you), no horns since my kid wants to be involved and almost got railroaded by Olivia.
Also with the horns even Dawn accidentally bonked us pretty hard. She was just rubbing her head on us lol. So between potential real fights and accidental pokes it for our place we gotta go with no horns. If Ivy was much older Id probably risk it with the little ones but you know how kids get and shes at an age where she needs to explore, not saying I dont pay attention to my kid just that shes in that tween range sorta and I cant watch her ever split second of the day and goats are too exciting to do as shes told and stay away from them apparently lol.
I even tried the foam things on Olivias horns she rubbed them against a tree within 2 minutes they were gone.
Your kids probably listen a whole lot better than mine I come from a long line of rebellious kids who will get punished but keep doing what we want. I did that, my mom did that, my grandma did that. My brothers did that. We were all raised differently too so it just seems to be this huge hereditary flaw to drive our parents crazy lol. Thankfully when I rebelled I had good causes, I didnt do it over silly things, I wish she was like that. It wouldnt bug me so much if she had a legit reasonable heart felt passionate reason. Something she firmly believed in that drove her to rebel... Nope, just she thought she was invincible so lets go play with a 150lbs cranky goat that doesnt want her attention who has seen me hugging her who has a severe jealous streak. It sounded fun apparently lol. She doesnt hurt the animals but that attitude can certainly get her hurt if horns are involved. So my biggest reason is my kiddo, if I had a kiddo that listened better (and Im not afraid to punish my kid Ive tried it all and consistenly) it would be different lol.
I will say when Olivia acted like she was gonna get me (at first it was a power struggle but after a bit it was like a game to her) Id take a step back and grab her horn and she would walk with me lol. My kiddo just isnt that quick so I couldnt have her doing that.
I was with you. But change my mind after the fourth time i have had utters with damage from horns. Don't want to but .
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Saw a goat on youtube that killed a cow with an aggressive headbut. The cow didn't know what she was getting into when she challenged the goat, but never made that mistake again.
Goats will rub on wielded wire till they break the wires. I've had to put boards along the height where they rub. But I love my horned goats.😁
I haven't had them break the wire yet but you are right the climb on it and rub against it and it can break the welds
Do you know why cows have bells?
Because their horns don't work.
Lol